05-03-24 Interview - Colorado RINO Watch in Studio Today

COLORADO RINO WATCH IN STUDIO TODAY This is the group who spends their days attacking Republicans they have decided aren't Republicany enough by their own personal standards and then puts them on their website to mock then as Republicans in Name Only. I have no clue who is coming in as they wanted to keep that extra super secret but someone will be on the show today at 1. You can find their website on your own, I'm not linking here.

Episode Transcript

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I am joined in studio by twoof the contributors to the Rhino Watch Colorado
page. Mark Hampton is a steadfastRepublican for forty plus years. Together with
his wife, they founded Parker Conservativesin twenty twenty one after the rigging of
the twenty twenty presidential election, amaga conservative grassroots organization in Douglas County which
rapidly became the largest of its kindin the area. Their efforts focus on

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promoting true grassroots conservatives, values andprinciples. And Julie Hayden, who is
well known I'm guessing to my listeningaudience. She's been in the media here
for a very long time. She'sa three time Emmy Award winning former investigative
reporter for Fox thirty one and KMGHChannel seven. She and her husband co
hosted the Chuck and Julie Grassroots Showon KOA on Saturdays and then weekdays on

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k and US Radio. They nowhave a podcast Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays,
broadcast live at three to four atChuckanjuli dot com. Guys, Welcome
to the show. Hi, thankyou for having me. So I want
to start out, you know,I don't like what you're doing. So
I want to just like start,We'll just cut to the chase right there.
I want to ask you, andeither of you can feel these questions.
Either of you can feel you canboth feel the questions whatever I'm asking,

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But I want to know where thedefinition of the perfect Republican lies.
What is it? Well, youknow, if you take a look at
the definition rhino itself, it reallygoes to describe a person who does is
veering off the path of the Republicanplatform. And one of the things that
people don't understand is the platform continuallychanges. We're in to change right now

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with Dave Williams running a platform herein Colorado, and that's upsetting a lot
of people. But the platform canconstantly changes. And what we what we
find is people that end up withthe label rhino can't see the change or
don't want to change. They wantto hold fast to something twenty years ago.
What is it though? But I'masking for a definition. Well,

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what you're talking about the definition ofa non Rhino Republican. Non Rhino Republican
would be somebody who say supports theRepublican presidential nominee Donald Trump. Of a
non rhino would be somebody who supportsthe duly elected chairperson of the Colorado Republican
Party, Dave Williams, who supports, as Mark said, the party platform,

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who is not so obsessed with hangingon with their fingernails to a little
bit of power and money that remainout there that they're willing to trash everybody
else. What's interesting, Bandy andMark, you hit on this is the
rhinos like to pretend that we,the grassroots activists, are the fringe radical
group, and it's just the opposite. The fringe grass roots are no longer

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fringe the majority of the Republican Party, not just in Colorado, but across
the country. And look at DonaldTrump's popularity. Do you know the latest
Emory poll em Our University poll hasDonald Trump in Colorado behind Joe Biden by
just four points. Donald Trump isan enormously popular figure to the average and
the majority of the Republican Party.It's the rhinos who say, oh no,

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he's frank. It's about the peoplethat are in charge or there.
Because I have a feeling that youguys were not thrilled with with KDB with
Christy Burton, brown Well, Chuckand Julie supported Christy Burton Brown initially and
then she became captured. I don'tknow if it was always part of the
plan by what I call the Anschwitzmedia industrial complex and the donor class.

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But see, you're moving the goalposts, and this is where I have an
issue you. You've already said,oh, it's it's it's moving, it's
flowing, it's it's all of thesethings. But when you move the goalpost
to say, the people who supportleadership are good Republicans. But we supported
her, but then we didn't.So were you a rhino when you didn't
support the leadership? You see whatI'm saying, there's a lot of ship

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the rhino, okay, and Iwould disagree a little bit. A rhino
is somebody who I want to knowthe reactual. I want to know the
Republican definition, because if you're goingto say someone is a Republican in name
only, that I want to knowthe definition of what you view you as
the proper role or the proper wayto be a Republican because without that,

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rhino doesn't mean anything. Well,you know what I would say is what
I said that a Republican in nameonly is somebody who says, oh,
I'm a Republican because I like RonaldReagan and I espouse Ronald Reagan views.
But I hate Donald Trump, andI hate Dave Williams, and I hate
Lauren Bolbert. Those are the people, and it's not just the leadership.

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Those people were elected by Republicans.But do you know why they dislike these
people? If you go back towhat I have always thought as a person
who grew up in my dad wasto the right of Russe Limbaugh. I
mean, he was staunchly conservative.There are things like family values that used
to matter. There are things likecharacter that used to matter. There are

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things like fiscal responsibility, which ifthat is part of the Republican platform now,
then Donald Trump is a rhino becausehe was not fiscally conservative at all
when he was in office. Hejust exploded the deficit even before COVID happened.
So there's a lot of different Ithink I'm looking for how to check
this. Well, what the pointis? I think in the point of
Rhino Watch was that the grassroots activistsfelt a collective group of us, that

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there is really no voice for us, that the media the websites are controlled
either by lefties like the Denver Post, or again by like the Antrewts industrial
media complex. You've got Colorado Politics, Colorado's Sun, Complete Colorado. They
all what I call cross pollinate eachother, right, they all go back
and forth and back and forth,and there was no other side. I'm
going to give you an example becauseI just this morning, and I mean

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I didn't plan this right this morningin the Colorado Sun. This is the
headline in the Colorado Sun. ColoradoGOP chairman angers candidates, County Republican leaders
with primary endorsement, and Colorado PoliticsGOP congressional candidate Gabe Evans and Stephen Verrella
snub state Party endorsement questionnaire Complete ColoradoRepublicans rejecting state GOP endorsement scheme all lies,

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I mean, no, no,it is all eyes, Mandy.
I was at the Assembly. Thereare handful of county Republican leaders who don't
like the questionaire, but hundreds ofthem voted at the State Assembly for it.
So those you guys are misleading.We're doing. We're away from what
I wanted the conversation to be,which is, if you believe that Republican

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ideals and conservative ideals are right forColorado. You are wasting a tremendous amount
of time with a very petty,in my opinion, website that does nothing
to get Republicans elected zero. Areyou kidding me? Look at the candidates.
We've got Lauren Bobert, who's probablygonna win. We've got Dave Williams,
who's probably gonna win. You know, Jay Willimons has rigged the entire

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Republican Party for his own game.And I'm glad you mentioned that because that
was something else they wanted to callyou out on. You guys are breathlessly
interviewed Kelly Maher when she filed theFederal Election Commission complained against Dave. Right,
Yeah, oh absolutely, because Ithink she's right. Do you know
what you failed to mention the KellyMahr and the people who helped her file
that report are involved with a connectedto the Bible Praise Pioneer Action Committee.

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But just a few years ago,Maddie was convicted of the worst campaign finance
violation. Your your trategy is tosmear Kelly, who I call a very
close personal friend. Yet nothing againstKelly. You just you just smeared her
by attacking her, by her byattaching her to an organization she attached herself.

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She is not attached to that organization. I have had a long conversation
with Kelly about where she's coming from. Who are her lawyers. Her lawyers
are the people that are helping herget money to do this. But this
did not start because it came fromsomewhere else. Her lawyers are the ones
who set up the original architecture forthe Pioneer Action Committee that again was fined.
Wait, but but are you sayingthat she's the same or are you

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saying she has used the same attorneys. What I'm saying is none of you
asked her that question. No askedthat question. Because attorneys have different clients.
They may have a similar situation.But you just implied she is attached
to an organization that got fined forsomeone. She was a spokesperson for the
group. She's been a long timeestablishment spokesperson. People move on, Julie,

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okay, but now people move onto other stuffs. See, you're
proving my point, Mandy. Youdon't want to hear it. You don't
want to say you know about Julie. Maybe I should have asked her that.
But Julie, here's the thing.Kelly and I had conversations before she
even got this started, so Iknow exactly where she's coming from. I
know exactly where her heart is.Your money is wherever it comes from,
because it doesn't matter. She's notguided by the money. No, she's

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not guided by that money. Nothinghas changed with Kelly's entire purpose since she
started this entire thing, nothing haschanged. No matter who gives her money,
nothing has changed. The same goalis to get the craziness out of
politics, both on the right andthe left. Because right now we have
the leader of the Republican Party hasthrown all precedent out the window. It

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is out the window. He hasnow sent out a questionnaire that is absolutely
up third asking candidates who they votedfor in twenty sixteen and twenty seven.
Demanding absolute fealty to Donald Trump isa way to get elected in Colorado,
where he's not even up here.He lost by fourteen points in the last
election cycle. He four down,four down. He's still down, Julie,

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but he's still the Republicans. Wouldyou either have a Democrat in office
or a Republican that you may beable to work with but disagree on some
issues. You mean like Liz Cheney. Okay, no, she's not running
here. As far as I know, ken Buck was better than Diana to
get Would you argue that, Imean no, I would agree with you
on that. Okay, So much. What you're doing is all tearing down

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the people that those who do notagree with everything. You tear them down
when they may be able to getelected when otherwise people will not. And
you can choose safe districts, youcan choose the fourth which, by the
way, I'm in the fourth andI'm knocking on doors for anybody but Lauren
Bobert. Anybody, right, becauseLauren is, first of all, not
someone that is representative of the kindof person I want representing me in office.

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Why not? Because I think she'swhat? I think she's a poor
character. What what does that mean? It means that she groped her date
in a in an open theater aftershe was vaping and then lied about it.
That is low character. I meananybody who ever, grow up somebody,
as far as you're concerned, ina movie, but a member of
Congress in a public theater, vapingin a public theater, being asked not

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to, and then lying about ituntil the video came out. That is
low character. When you do somethingwrong, you step up and take responsibility
for it and say wow, I'msuper embarrassed. But she didn't do that.
So what do you think about herpolicies or the way she feels policies
are fantastic? But you know what, there's other candidates in that race that
would do the exact same thing,the exact same thing. I'm just walking

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about you your talk about character,Let's talk about your friend Deva Flora's character.
Y mean, yeah, you knowshe sat in front of multiple groups
and said I'm going to go throughassembly or I plan that's the new key
word, I plan to go throughassembly. Yeah, and at the last
minute she says, you know what, I'm not going to go through assembly.
I've already got my signatures and Idon't think I can basically said,

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I don't think I can get tenpercent at assembly because that's all she would
have had to do is to getthat to clear the hurdle. So she
wouldn't even know that's game as that'sa character. Well, that's lying.
Yeah, basically lie, you areabsolutely Let's just let's just cop to that.
Deborah Floor lied about going to theAssembly because after careful consideration, she

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decided that she didn't want to dealwith a process that was led by Dave
Williams. I have no problem withthat. Help me I die. That's
not quite accurate. What she didis she lied in order to get to
peak to speak in front of groupslike Marx. She she didn't she had
no intention of going through this.Obviously matter if you go through the Assembly
or do the other legal process,which is to petition onto the ballot,
what's the problem with that. Wesupport the state position. The state position

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is is if you want time aswell as our county position dCGP is you
have to go through assembly or thinkthe state Why because why is that the
policy? I'm asking that question.We put time into the process, and
we don't want people just thumbing theirnose at us. We put in our
hard time. Nobody pays us toput in time to help run the local
GOP and this is our vetting processto get in front of people to tell

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why you should be elected. Andthey're just saying, you know what,
We'll just pay somebody and get signaturesin front of King supers. Well,
then go talk to them. Theyhave to convince the voters, but they
start to convince the voters in theprimariere, you're falling for the Democrat trick
because the Democrats want to get ridof us. I've been through my local
caucus. I did it all.I hated it when I did it.

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I think it is designed to rewardparty insiders. And I'm not saying that
party insiders don't deserve some kind ofrecognition, because I appreciate the fact that
they are the ones that keep thewhole machine going. So I want to
make it clear that I'm not denigratinganyone who goes into it works on this
process, because we need all ofthose people to make everything work. But

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to create a situation where a vastmajority of Republicans cannot participate because they either
have jobs, they've got kids,They've got all these other responsibilities that would
prevent them from being a part ofthis very exclusive clique like how do we
party forever? That's not an exclusiveclick at all. I mean I go
to all of our county meetings andif somebody say couldn't do it, they

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could certainly. It is the caucussystem, and the assembly of system is
really what is at the heart ofwhat makes America work. It is the
neighborhoods. You talk about character,Well, who knows better somebody's character than
their neighbors, right and their friends. It is the heart of the American
political system. It's the Neighborhood's notthe rigalide, no, but it is.
It's only participated by a fraction,a tiny minuscule fraction of registered voters

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participate in the Assembly, So it'sthe exact opposite. It is a g
group of people getting together deciding foreveryone else who they get to vote for.
That's the exact opposite of participatory,you know, a democracy, which
is the cornerstone of our republic.I mean it's like, I get where
you're coming from from the people thatare doing the work. I understand that,

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and I too would be frustrated.Honestly, I would be frustrated if
I heard that and then said we'regonna do We're gonna throw this big party
and then they're not coming. Butthe system itself, the caucus system itself,
is not doable for a vast majorityof people. Well, it could
be, and I think part ofit is because again, a lot of
the establishment people and rhinos when ittakes so much physically time. We used

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to do it. We used todo it all the time. This new
election system in Colorado market and youmay have your dates better than me.
It's relatively new, all pushed byDemocrats, and it starts again with people
who know each other. They gettogether, they have common thoughts, common
ideas, common family veils, allof that kind of stuff, and then
they select people who are going togo represent their views. Then and then

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they and it goes up and upand up. Everyone can participate. They've
just made it. And by they, I mean the establishment because they don't
like it. So in your systemwhere the only way you know about somebody
is if they have the money toadvertise, and the caucus system you know
about the people because all the candidatescome and they talk and you can sit
there and ask questions and you canmake your own decision. Otherwise, the

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only way you get to decide it'sthe advertising. You can point with money,
the sheer amount of time. Allof this stuff happens back when we
were a nine to five society.When people went to work at nine,
they got home at five. Maybethey were you know, one one income
household, so there was somebody elseto got to keep the fires burning.
The complaint I get the most aboutthe Assembly system is that they don't have
time to participate. It was oneSaturday. Well wait a minute, that's

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the district. Well, you guys, if you want to argue about this,
then you can. You can bringall the Republicans out. You can
just tell them they have time.Just tell them they're just whining. They
have time. This is my point. You guys have created a little cabal
that you are deciding who's Republican enoughand who's not. Christy Burton Brown was
Republican enough, then she wasn't.Does she even know what she did to
become not Republican enough? Yeah,she screwed over the Colorado of Republican Party.

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You never talk about this either.You guys all talk about an attack
Dave Williams over the financing. Doyou know, Christy Burton Brown. You
should read rhinowatch dot com under financialscandal. Okay, you'll explain all this
to you. Christy Burton Brown toldthe Colorraad of Republican Party before she was
leaving that there was one hundred thousanddollars in the account. Right. Only
guess what they found out when theygot there, it was gone. You
know why it was gone because ChristyBurton Brown and all those people pay themselves

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tens of thousands of dollars in bonusesgoing out the door. The other reason
it was gone they also took creditcards with them and were continuing to charge
on those credit cards hundreds of dollars. Charged with fraud and they are looking
into that. Did you report thatthere should be fraud? Well, you
know, do you have on Rhinowatch The money that Dave Williams pays himself
out of the Colorado Republican Party coffersnot as much as money as they've paid

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other people that are also officers.So not coming in. Oh oh,
so it's not as much as itwas. So that's rhinoy rhino enough.
No, that is my problems.You guys just randomly decide what meets the
standard or whatnot because the slavish devotionto Donald Trump ignores so much stuff where
he is policy wise. I agreewith a lot of it, but when

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we look at some of these squishyareas where he's political about abortion, Now,
if you don't agree, if youagree a six week abortion ban is
good, that's not the position thatDonald Trump has so does that evolve?
Is that not republican? Is itrepublican? This is why I'm looking for
a hard definition of where the barriersare and I'm not going to give you
one because it is not that simple. Okay, again, that's what you

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guys want to do, so thenyou can turn it around and twist our
words and say ha ha, Andso I'm not going to do that.
I am telling you that. ButRhino Watches it's a collective of grassroots people
who said we don't have a voiceand we need a voice. And we
have been astonished at the reaction thatpeople say, please put this up,
please put this up. We havecontributors all the time, some of them

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want to be anonymous, some ofthem don't, but there was a sense
that they did not have a voice. And I guess sometimes the way I
tell people is if you have toask what a rhino is, and you're
probably a rhino because otherwise what yousay mark people know right exactly that is
that is I'm sorry, that isthe lamest dodge that you could possibly if
you if you know, you know, we know, we've we've scoped it

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out, we know, why areyou so upset? About it, because
it's super frustrating that you've got thesenebulous guidelines that only you guys know,
nobody else knows. So do youno? You just said if you know
you know? Well, I'm askingbecause I didn't know. I'm asking for
specifics because there are people on thatWall of shame that I happen to know
are solid, solid conservative people.Kelly Maher pro gum pro what else?

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The ant media industrial comp Oh mygod, Oh, I'm talking about policy.
I'm talking about principles. I'm talkingabout ideal. Who do you think
or why do you think feel Antispends so much money because he wants to
get his policies and his procedures outthere. Do you think if Kelly Maher
decided that, you know what,actually I like Donald Trump and I'm gonna
support Donald Trump and I'm gonna goagainst Aguadams on Donald Trump, do you

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think she would still be the spokesperson. I don't. Yes, yes I
do, Actually I absolutely do.But I know Kelly very very very well.
And it's almost it's laughable to hearyou guys sit here and talk about
her like some Machiavellian genius. Who'sWho's that on destroying the Republican Party when

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Rhino Watch in its very existence hasto be the best gift for the Democratic
Party there ever was. I'm sureyou guys have both read the blueprint,
right right? Okay, so you'veread the blue Where in the blueprint does
it say and now we create anorganization that just attacks for Democrats? Well,
let's talk about again. All ofus answer the question. No where
it doesn't say that anywhere. Andyou know what, even the Democrats that

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are whack adoodle crazy are still supportingby their party because they understand that numbers
are power and they'd rather get peopleselected and then deal with the numbers of
the bat out of the majority.Why don't you guys support David Williamson?
Why does I think he is arector? You think he is? You?
U the political party? Mark jumpin here. You just said,
you just said that you should supportthe person no matter what. So I

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said, why don't you support DaveWilliams? And you rattled off all the
reasons you don't. I'm not supportingDave Williams because I don't think he should
win, Okay, right? Ithink should the Democrats win because they support
even the lack of doodles. Theydon't endorse in the primaries, so do
they know you're answering the question?Now? You know what I should have
been clearer. Whoever is in thegeneral election get support. But what we're

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doing in the Republican Party right nowby endorsing in the primaries is unprecedented.
It's unfair. Who even created thequestionnaire it was it gets to decide where
the qusioneis come in. Almost overwhelmed, almost unanimously voted on. I've by
of those pesky people at the Assemblythat you say no one has time to
go to. So may be ifpeople don't like the process, they should

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go to the Assembly. Julie Haydenand Mark Campton. I appreciate you guys
coming in today. I'm late fora break. I staunchly disagree with everything
you're doing. I mean, I'msure you're going to continue to do it.
Put me on the wall. Idon't care. I find you.
I find not a Republican, areyou I am? Yes, I am
a Republican, So put me onthe wall. I don't care if a
freaking T shirt maide and fundraise forKelly Maher's Super Pac with it so I

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think what you're doing is defeatist.I think it is the equivalent of a
middle school slam book on the internet. And I wish you would stop.
I wish you would put your effortsinto attacking the Democrats that are running this
day right now and continuing to runit into the ground, because you obviously
have passion, maybe if you alwayshave. Fire mentioned that to Kelly mar
then rather than filing an FEC complaintagainst Stave Williams, why doesn't she take

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her super pac money and support theRepublican candidates. Oh she will, but
that's not what the super PAC isfor. The super Pac is to make
sure that the Republican Party is notbeing taken over in a way that benefits
one man more than everybody else.And that's what's happening right now, benefit
the establishment in the Unit Party.Okay, well we'll agree to disagree.
I appreciate you guys coming in today.