05-20-25 FULL SHOW - MSU Finds Housing, And Weiser Spends Big On Trump

Mandy talks to Abbie Kell from Metro State about a housing program that matches students needing housing with seniors, luxury beliefs in Boulder trying to shut down oil and gas, and Cory Gaines spells out how much Attorney General Phil Weiser's cases against Trump are costing taxpayers.   Palestinians are protesting in Gaza against Hamas, What A-Rod should wear to jury duty, and a chat with Erin Lee about the bill that makes misgendering someone a crime.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:27):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to a Tuesday edition of the show.
If you know anything, you know, we are all on Tuesday.
I am joined by my orange and blue wearing right
hand man, Anthony Rodriguez. You can call him a rod.
I hope that never gets old. I really hope that

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never gets old because it entertains me every single day.
Oh my goodness, do we have a lot of stuff
to do today? I mean a ton of stuff to
do today. So let's get cracking by heading over to
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Look for the headline in the latest posts section. You
may have to scroll over depending on what time you

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It's open twenty four hours a day. Just look for
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Oh winner can with someone who office half American? All
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A sea that's going to press plant.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Today on the blog pairing young and old to solve
housing problems. How much is ag phil Wiser spending to
sue Trump? The lawsuits are flying over SB twelve thirteen
scrolling scrolling. The Supreme Court lifts protections for three hundred
thousand Venezuelans. Six Colorado cities are suing over police's withheld
funds threat? Can you defend yourself at work? A Soros

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funded DA craps all over justice scroll? Jared policit hates
our agriculture industry. Peters and Griswold are two sides of
the same coin. The luxury beliefs about energy and boulder
protests against some US are happening in Gaza. Gen Z
isn't interested in bossing. The roots of dementia start in childhood.

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Government spending Jack's up mortgage rates. Your AHA moment changed
your brain?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Why?

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yes, we are less free? The Rockies could break another record?
Why doesn't Colorado shore up its own emergency management authority?
Time to text? Volcanoes another reason for Trump not to
take the Katari jet. This is the worst idea ever.
Apparently black men are supposed to marry black women. Scrolling

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Ryan Edwards is looking for a bit of validation. Could
a ceasefire becoming in Ukraine? Jd Vance offers good wishes
for Biden. Those are the headlines on the blog at
mandy'sblog dot com. And I'm not gonna go deep into
the Biden cancer thing again because we talked about it
pretty extensively yesterday, but i do want to say this,

(03:04):
I am not the only one who is highly suspicious
of the timing of this announcement. As a matter of fact,
the Biden's got killed yesterday in the media, just killed
because no one believes them anymore. And here's the thing.
Even a liar probably tells the truth occasionally, but once

(03:25):
someone has shown themselves to be a habitual liar, as
we now know, the Biden administration and those around who
were enabling it were habitual liars, I'm just not going
to give any credence to that. I'm just not so
coming up on the show, we got three guests today,
We got a lot, but they're all I'm very interested
in everything that they have to say. First, of all,

(03:46):
I saw this story about Metropolitan State University, a Rodza
alma mater, Go Roadrunners. I'm required to say that. Now
that he's told that to me enough times, I just say,
go road Runners. MSU is in downtown Denver, and it
can be really challenging because they are what's referred to
a lot is a commuter campus, meaning they don't have

(04:07):
dorms in the traditional sense, so housing can be a
real problem. Obviously, it's very expensive to have housing in Denver,
and MSU has created a program I love. I think
this is like the best idea ever. And they're asking
people who are over fifty five, who may have a
room in their house that they would like to rent,
if they would consider renting to a student for a

(04:29):
very reasonable fee. And I love this for a variety
of reasons. One, as people get older, they tend to
become lonelier and more disconnected, and this is a wonderful
way to not only bring them someone another body in
the house, but it also gives them the opportunity to
kind of stay current on what's happening right now. And

(04:50):
I've said this to some older people in the past,
and it's something that I am determined to live by
as I age, and that is, as the older person
in the relationship with your kids or your grandkids, I
think you have a responsibility to try and stay up
to date on pop culture things, on music, on movies,

(05:13):
on books that people younger than you are reading.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
Now.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Some of it's going to be garbage, right, some of
the new music today and I'm only fifty five, and
some new music I'm just like And my daughter plays
so much new music for me, so I've heard all
of these different bands and everything and some of it.
Every once in a while, I'll just say to her
after she plays a song, I don't ever want to
hear that song again. But I try to do that
very sparingly, Like I really try to deploy that if

(05:37):
the song is truly terrible. But I do think it
creates a point of conversation. It creates a point of commonality.
And you would be fascinated if you just ask a
young person who's super passionate about whatever music they're super
passionate about. And let me tell you something, there is
nobody more passionate about music than a person between the
ages of twelve and twenty five. Okay, now, there are

(06:01):
people outside that age range who are passionate about music,
But as a general rule, in that age range, that's
where you gonna find people who are like crazy passionate
about music. And if you ask someone what is it
about this song that you really like, you would be
amazed what comes out. Sometimes I'll just say I don't know,
I just like it, and then you was it the lyrics?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (06:20):
The message? Is the beat?

Speaker 8 (06:21):
What?

Speaker 4 (06:22):
And you dig down it's fascinating because it gives you
a little window into the world of your grandkid or
your child. So I love this. We're gonna talk to
Abby kel she is with the Basic Needs and Housing
Support team over there. We're gonna talk to her at
twelve thirty about that. And then you may know that
our Attorney General Phil Wiser is suing Donald Trump every

(06:42):
way he can for all kinds of stuff. And I
said last week, I was like, man, I'd really like
to know what all this stuff is costing. You know
how much taxpayer money is going into suing Donald Trump
in cases I think many of which are already a
loser because there's precedent on some of this stuff that
will not be in Colorado's favor and Corey Gaines of

(07:03):
the Colorado Accountability Project. He does a great, great blog
and he's got a blog posting on what all this
is costing taxpayers and it ain't cheap. So we're gonna
talk to Corey Gaines at one o'clock and then we're
gonna got talked to Aaron Lee. She's part of Protect
Kids Colorado. They're one of the organizations that are already

(07:24):
suing over HB twenty five Dash thirteen twelve. Although I
keep saying s B and that's wrong. It's HB twenty
five Dash thirteen twelve. That is, of course the Kelly
Loving Act that criminalizes you calling someone the wrong name
or the wrong pronown. And we're going to talk to
Aaron about the lawsuit what they are suing over, and

(07:46):
we're gonna do that at two thirty. Now, a couple
interesting things are happening here locally. One of them is
something we talked about yesterday, only now it's now become
a lawsuit. Because I feel like nothing is getting done
in this world. It's like almost like if there's not
a lawsuit, it didn't happen, you know what I mean,

(08:07):
Because now it's just sue everybody all the time. Forget
the legislature. I mean, the legislature and Congress have just
abdicated their roles in making laws that are actually constitutional.
So Governor Jared Polis issued an executive order, and the
executive order is known as the Strategic Growth through Compliance

(08:31):
with State Laws. Isn't that innocuous and great sounding like, hey,
you know what, we're just trying to deal with strategic growth,
But it requires compliance with state laws. But it actually
would limit or possibly pull funding grant funding from a
variety of different state agencies if cities do not comply

(08:53):
with the new zoning laws and requirements that were just
passed by the state. Aurora, Barvada, Glendale, Greenwood Village, Lafayette,
and Westminster filed a lawsuit yesterday and they say it
violates the Colorado Constitutions provisions on home rule, a century
old authority that gives municipalities some control over local matters,

(09:16):
but particularly in land use and zoning. Now, some of
the rules that they just passed were rules that said, look,
you know what, for every apartment or condo or home
that you build, you have to have two parking spaces.
Like that is a rule because in some parts of Colorado.
There is no mass transit right, so in order to

(09:39):
keep people from parking in the street and creating problems
that way, you can say, look, you got to have
two parking spaces, or even one parking space, just to
ensure that we have enough parking spaces. That that's been
done away with. The second bill deals with transit oriented communities,

(09:59):
and it requires thirty two local governments in the Front
Range to change their zoning in transit areas and permit
a minimum density of forty dwelling units per acre, a
number that, if met, would produce ten times the existing
housing stock around RTD stops in Greenwood Village alone. Now,
local governments said, look, there's no public hearings, there's no anything,

(10:24):
and they've taken great offense that the governor has decided
to come in and meddle in their local zoning decisions.
So you know, I understand, Governor Jerry Poulis, I get it.
I truly do. We do have a housing shortage, a
one mostly created I think by the construction defects law,
which has maybe finally been fixed, although I was told

(10:46):
by one builder that they're not doing anything different until
somebody gets sued under that bill because they they don't
want to have to deal with it. They don't want
to be the first one.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
To get sued.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
So now we have states suing the state. We have
the state suing the federal government over almost the exact
same thing. So now you're going to have the State
of Colorado arguing on one hand that the federal government
does not have the right to withhold federal funds from
the State of Colorado because we are a sanctuary state.

(11:18):
So they're going to be arguing that in one court,
and then they are going to be arguing in another
court that they the governor has the right to withhold
state funds because cities are not doing what they want
them to do when it comes to zoning. I mean,
do you understand how ridiculous that is? And if I
am the federal government, I am absolutely bringing this up.

(11:41):
Oh so you admit that state government should supersede counties
or cities and that you can withhold funds if they
don't do what you want, but yet you're telling us
we can't do the same thing. It's certainly an interesting
position they've put themselves in. By the way, if you
want to weigh in on anything today. You can always
text us at five sixty six nine. Oh, that's five

(12:04):
six six nine, oh, so we can, uh, you can
participate that way, Mandy, So proud of my city of
Lafayette today. Isn't Lafayette? Is that how they say it here?
Because there's a lafa a county in Florida spelled the
exact same way, and they call it Lafayette County, Lafayette, Lafayette.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
That's what I thought, Well, Lafayette is also acceptable.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Lafayette Lafayette, but not Lafayette, No, which is how they
say it in Florida. Lafayette County, Lafayette, Lafayette. I mean
that's the normal people that normal people say Lafayette. That's
how you would normally. But again in Florida, it's redneck towns,
so it's Lafayette, Lafayette, Lafayette County, Mandy. Every time you
make the statement of a rod being from MSU GO roadrunners,

(12:49):
a rod needs to use a sound bite from the
roadrunner and coyote cartoons, a roadrunner taking off.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
I can do it.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Just a suggestion we meet exactly. Stay rowdy, Mandy. I've
been a day Away listener for most of my life.
But I can't listen anymore. Mandy, you've completely joined the
dark side. It's just getting worse with each passing day.
I stopped listening to Ross back in late December when
he kept brutally insulting President Carter like the day after
he died classless. I've tried to continue with you because

(13:16):
I thought you were generally a good person, but can't
continue anymore. It's a cult you've joined, and it's just
so uninformed and so cruel. Truth doesn't matter, character doesn't matter.
So I'll continue to listen to Dave and all the
sports folks in the afternoon, Broncos games, and even our
poor baseball team. I know you won't care. Just wanted
to let you know, though I do hope you change
your mind someday. I'm genuinely confused by this text message,

(13:38):
not because you're choosing not to listen anymore. I mean
that is your prerogative, and I get emails throughout my career.
I've gotten the I'm never listening again for this reason
and this reason and this reason. So it's not you know.
I don't want to tell you it doesn't hurt my feelings,
but it doesn't hurt my feelings, but this one I'm
genuinely confused about. So I'm not supposed to criticize Joe
Biden because he has cancer. I'm being really honest when

(14:03):
I asked that question. I'm truly asking the question because
if that's your take, then the Biden campaign that got
Biden people they won this past weekend because we should
be talking about the fact that Joe Biden was not
capable of being president and that we have no idea
who was making decisions allegedly on his behalf. But now

(14:25):
you're saying we're not allowed to talk about that because
he has cancer. I mean, I'm please clarify text her
if you're still listening. I'm genuinely confused by this. So
and the fact that you continue to say truth doesn't.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
Matter, that.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
It absolutely does matter. It mattered for four years. It
mattered all the time that people like me were pointing
out that there was something wrong with the president, only
to be shouted down and told we were agist and awful.
I mean, what, maybe Texters, other Texters feel free to

(15:05):
weigh in what I have no idea, Mandy Dad joke.
I just realized I'm colorblind. I came out of the purple.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
Well done, Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yep. This question.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Are there differences between constitutions and laws in regards to
the federal government withholding from state in the state government
withholding from local I don't know, but the federal government's
ability to use the purse strings as a weapon against
the States has been affirmed multiple times by the Supreme
Court in multiple different situations. So I think that is

(15:45):
an uphill battle that Colorado is going to lose. So yeah, yeah, Mandy.
Some people are speculating that the cancer news was released
specifically to take the attention off the special Council audio
of Biden failing cognitively correct correct. I grew up in

(16:06):
battone rouge. Lafayette is pronounced the non floridaway loaf Ayette.
I'm not gonna go Lafayette. That's too fancy, seems too
bougie for me. Paul is taking two different positions on
the same issue, but it isn't actually the same issue
with the exact same loss. I don't know the answer
to that question. I do not know, but we'll be

(16:28):
finding out, and gourt, won't we Mandy. I'm going to
Broomfield City Council study session, don't find out the impact
to our community. I've been firing off emails all day
about what about what? Mandy? My work took me from
Denver to Austin, Texas. I rent a room from a
senior woman and it is a great situation for both

(16:48):
of us. I have the master bed in bath and
have full use of the kitchen, laundry and other stuff.
There you go, there you go. There's already a one
eight hundred number on Reddit to turn people in for misgendering.

Speaker 8 (17:02):
What what? What is that?

Speaker 4 (17:07):
That's crazy? I mean, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Isn't it?

Speaker 4 (17:13):
Eh, Nandy, I'm a diehard trumper and I have told
you a few times I will never listen again, but
I always come crawling back lol. And most of you
do no offense. Most of you do. It's okay, everybody, guys,
I'm gonna tick you off at some point. I'm gonna
make you mad. I'm gonna hit your soft spot. I'm
gonna sit you, hit your sore spot, and you're gonna

(17:34):
be mad at me, and maybe you fire off an email.
I'm never listening again, and that's fine. It doesn't hurt
my feelings. It used to bother me. And now I'm like, eh,
what can I do? I can't control of people's behavior.
I mean, I want everybody to listen, but eh, you know,
if you don't like it, or it's not your kappa
as they say, you know, but generally speaking, people do

(17:54):
come out, Mandy, the disgusting things that were said when
rush Limbad died and during the Este fascination on Trump
gives them no room to talk. But here's the thing,
you guys. I don't think I've said anything about Joe
Biden except he is a liar, and that is incontrovertibly true, demonstrably,
easily demonstrably true. And the fact that he has cancer

(18:17):
does not change the fact that he lied and everyone
around him lied. And I don't feel any I don't
feel any sort of I don't feel I mean, you, guys,
if you want to know what kind of person I am.
I just made a commercial from my friend Jimmy Keys
at Gutter Helmet that I first of all love this product.

(18:38):
And this is not a paid ad, just to be clear,
But I made a commercial and in it I took
a pot shot at Rosey O'Donnell and it was a
lazy joke, but it was. I thought it was funny.
It was a lazy joke, though, and somebody wrote an
email and said, you know that was really mean, unnecessarily mean.
I was like, you know what, You're right. I changed it.
I made fun of Darth Vader because I figured he's
a fictional character. It's not going to hurt anybody's feelings.

(18:58):
That's how much care that I take by trying to
make sure that the things that I'm saying are are
not just mean for the sake of mean. So I'm
just baffled by Lafaiette, Lafayette, Lafayette, Lafayette, Lafayette, Lafayette. Okay,
we need to call like a convenience store in Lafayette

(19:21):
and get some kind of resolution on this. Lafayette, Lafayette.

Speaker 8 (19:25):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Anyway, all right, kids, when we get back, we're going
to talk about a super cool program. If you're over
the age of fifty five and you've got a little
maybe you've got an empty nest and you're bored, and
maybe you're looking for a little income. Metropolitan State has
a program that you definitely want to know more about.
We're going to do that next, joining me to talk
about this super cool program that Metropolitan State Go Roadrunners

(19:48):
has to help students find housing. Is Abbi Kel. She's
the MSU Associate Director of Basic Needs in Housing Support. Abby.
Welcome to the show. First of all, thank you to
be here. So let's talk about this program where you
are helping students find housing and you're going to an
interesting source to find it. But let me ask you

(20:10):
this question first. MSU is more of what we would
call a commuter campus and that you don't have traditional
dormitories and things like that. So is finding housing for
your students in this extremely pricey rental market is it
challenging overall? How does your department.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
Work on that?

Speaker 9 (20:30):
No, Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know, MSU is always known as a commuter commuter campus,
and it's a kind of a little bit of.

Speaker 9 (20:36):
Yes and a kind of a little bit of no.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Because while students, even students who are considered commuter students,
they still have to have housing, they still have to
have a place to live.

Speaker 9 (20:47):
And we're finding more and more students, whether they're.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
A commuter or traditional or living closing campus, are just
experiencing the heavy burdise some of the high cost of
rent in Denver and students are particularly struggling with that
because they still have to live within the Denver market.
There's really no reduced rates and costs for students, and
so we're seeing more and more every single year of
increase of students coming to us asking for resources, relocations, options,

(21:11):
and just general.

Speaker 9 (21:11):
Navigation on how to do this.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
So where this program that we're going to talk about
today in this Does this program have a specific name?

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, So the program is its own nonprofit. It is
called Sunshine Home Share, and so it's its own nonprofit
that we partner with to match students up with a
senior citizen in the community to live in their house,
to pay rent in their house, but also provide community
in that house as well.

Speaker 9 (21:39):
It's not for everyone.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
It's not a perfect but it's definitely part of the
housing conversation we're having because not one solution is going
to fix all for our students, but it is a
great option for folks seeking an alternative how an alternative
option that's not just renting from a partner.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
One of the things that I don't think we do
well in this country is intergenerational living. Because around the world,
intergenerational living is the standard in many countries, meaning you
may have a household with the grandmother, the parents and
the kids grown kids under one roof, but and you'll
stay there until you get married. Kind of thing in
many countries. But I think here we're so spread out

(22:15):
and we're so independent that we lose that. So what
are some of the benefits for the young people or
for the students that may be taking advantage of this.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
You know, so far, the students that have taken advantage
of this would be kind of your non traditional students,
so would be returning to pursue a different career or
change directions. And so so far the students we've seen
are a little bit older, you know, later twenties, mid
thirties that are seeking it out. But I think the
benefits really are for both people. The benefits for the
student one is a chiep a rent.

Speaker 9 (22:44):
They're having to.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Save a little bit money on their bills by paying
a lower costs rent. They're also able to connect with
someone in the community then that might meet at school,
at their work, and someone that also comes from a
different way of life in a background.

Speaker 9 (22:57):
And then also I think it comes with.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
The community of just I'm living in someone else's home
and I am respecting their space. I'm respecting this person,
and we're learning how to live together, and we're learning
how to thrive together as well, because while they have
come from their own situation, you know, the person in
the home who owns the home of sharing it with
them can share their insights of how they got to
where they are and the growth and also eve impossible

(23:20):
connections down the line for themselves in the future.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
So, no, you're not going to just like have somebody
like say I sign up. Because I hate to say it,
you said senior citizen. I'm fifty five, so technically I'm
in this category and I'm not a senior citizen abbey.
But that being said, you're not just going to like
assign someone, right, I'm not just going to like open
up my door to a complete stranger and have no
say in that. How does the process work?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
No, that's a great question. You have to be super
intentional one. It's not going to be for every student.
So when I meet with students, when our case managers
meet with students, we talk them through the options of
what they have for housing, and it's usually a little
bit farther down the list.

Speaker 9 (23:59):
For our students and when we get when we get
to talking about it, we.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Really upfront the whole process with them and make sure
they understand because the Sunshine Home Share program does a
really intentional job of doing backgrounds, doing meet and greets.
They even do a temporary stay, so when the match
is kind of through some of the process and they're
seeing good signs, the student will actually do a two
week temporary stay with the family and the home to
see if it's actually a good fit. And then also

(24:24):
ongoing they do ongoing case management. They check in in
the home, they see if things are going well, and
if things are not going well, they're able to mitigate it,
talk about it, sit down and see what it is
to help just with the transition process.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
So it seems to me like this may be a
better fit for a more mature student. I mean, you
can be a twenty year old mature student, but everybody
that went to college knows that like the normal undergrad
dorms where all the chaos was, but the graduate dorms
were where all the calm, adult people lived. So it
seems to me like perhaps this would be a better
fit for a more mature student. I think so.

Speaker 10 (25:00):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
I think it has worked a little bit better for
some of our mature students, but I still don't shy
away for some of our younger adults who might be
more traditional in their younger twenties, because they too might
have grown up in some multi generational households, and to
them it might seem like a good fit because that's
used the home that they're.

Speaker 9 (25:15):
Already used to, and so it's it's like, it's not
going to be perfect for everyone.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
But I think it's really just exploring the option of
how can I be a part of the community.

Speaker 9 (25:24):
How can I help someone keep themselves in their home?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
How can I also just have a cheaper rent for
a couple of years so that I can achieve my
long term goals while I'm in college.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Where speaking of cheaper rent, how much cheaper? I mean,
do you guys have a ballpark of what people are
paying or is there a set amount? How does that work?

Speaker 3 (25:43):
So it tends to be somewhere between five and seven
hundred and fifty dollars for the student.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
That's how much they charge. It can really fluctuate based.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
On just like where they are in the community, you know,
how close they are to transportation, but generally that's where
it's that ballpark.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Range is somebody just asks, I'm guessing the students would
have their own transfer. So this is a you are
renting from a landlord. Just like you would not expect
to use your landlord's vehicle, You are going to have
to provide for yourself on everything else, your food, your
transportation and all that stuff.

Speaker 9 (26:13):
Oh yeah, you would have to have your own transportation.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
But then there's pros and cons of if you don't
have transportation, seeing if there's a home share that is
close to public transportation or if you know, if you're
a margaret commuter with a bike and those kind of aspects,
you can always rely on those. But yes, like some
of the amenities like cars, food, household supplies like TVs
and things like that, those are separated.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Now do you have to have do you have any
say on whether or not you rent to a male
or a female?

Speaker 9 (26:42):
Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
And also just like people have different preferences on what
they feel safe and comfortable with the story we did
through red Actually the homeowner that was seeking someone to
do a room share originally wanted a female, but just
through a handful of interviews, landed on the student team
and just felt really comfortable and safe with them.

Speaker 9 (27:02):
So you can do like preferences on who you would like.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
To reside with, because both sides want to respect everyone's
choice and safety in that and no one wants to
be uncomfortable in their home, the renter or the homeowner.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
How can people sign up? As I said to you
off the air, Abby, I'm like, I bet you there
are people listening to the show right now who would
love the little extra in come and maybe love the
company right because when you're an empty nester and all
the kids are gone, you may find out that you
don't love living by yourself. How can people get involved?
Sign up or get more information?

Speaker 9 (27:31):
So there's a couple different ways.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
The first thing I would direct you to the Sunshine
Homeshare website, and that Sunshine Homeshare website is.

Speaker 9 (27:38):
Just sunshinehomeshare dot org.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
And you can look at the website, You can look
at the application process, you can look at the screening
on the tenant side and as well as the homeowner side,
and you can apply.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
Or you can also just.

Speaker 9 (27:50):
Reach out and ask questions the staff.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
They are wonderful and love to talk about this program
because they're very passionate about it.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Well, I find it interesting. I was looking at their
website and it says Geriatric social Workers staff by experienced
geriatric social workers that have education and backgrounds working with
homebound older adults and are knowledgeable about social work based
home sharing. So this is not just some really nearly
you know like rental site. This is an apartments dot com.

(28:15):
This is much more complex.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
It's an evidence Bates model, so it's been researched on
how it keeps, you know, seniors in their homes. It
keeps them also longer longevity in their lifespans, and then
also the support to the tenant as well, providing a
vital piece that they need affordable housing to live in
wherever they are in their life.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Abi Kel, thank you so much. I love that Metro
State did a story on this because I would have
never known it, and I think it is one of
the coolest programs. One of my favorite favorite people is
a lady named Hazel, and Hazel's in her nineties now,
but she has a tenant in her home named Bill,
and Bill has now become so much more than a
tenant for Hazel, and I see that relationship. And that's

(28:57):
the first thing I thought of when I thought of this,
is how much they both get from each other in
terms of that relationship that started as a tenant landlord
relationship and now has become so much more. So well done,
and I hope, I hope lots of my listeners take
advantage of this. Somebody asks how far can they live
from the college? Is there a perimeter that you need

(29:17):
to be within?

Speaker 9 (29:19):
No, I mean it's really just.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Based off that again, the tenant if they're comfortable with it,
so I mean, they can expand from Boulder all the
way to Low Side and so that's you know, that's
who they're who are to be owning the homes and
if the student is comfortable with that type of commune,
then the match.

Speaker 9 (29:33):
Can move forward.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Abby. Thank you so much for your time today, and
thanks Metro State for publicizing this program. I think it's
super cool. Not just for students. We should say, if
you go to Sunshine Home Share Colorado, it's not just students,
so there's lots of opportunity there. I would urge you
to check it out. Abby, thanks so much for your
time today.

Speaker 9 (29:51):
Thank you you have a good one.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
All right, that is Abbi Kel from Metropolitan State University.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
You know, Chuck and I are trying to figure out
our retirement stuff wherever we live. And here's the deal.
I want a piece of land big enough, and in
other states you can afford a piece of land that's
big enough to do this, that I can have my home,
and that I want to be able to put a
small cabin or you know, alternative dwelling unit, so as
I as my mom gets older, if she wants to

(30:18):
have a place to stay that is her own, we
can put my mom there and then after that I
will win it out. So I have an income stream
in my older life.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
So why not?

Speaker 4 (30:28):
I don't know if I want somebody living in my house.
I don't like people very much sometimes, Speaking of which,
can I ask a question about dandelions lately? For some reason,
and the only reason I can think of is that
we've got people who don't want to have to deal
with dandelions in their yard. There's all these posts on

(30:49):
my social media about why have we been lied to
about dandielions?

Speaker 11 (30:54):
We should all leave dandidlions alone. Daddidlions are good for us.
Daddid lions are wonderful. They say, okay, great, but you
know what, you don't want them all over your yard.
Or if we collectively as a society decided that dandylions
are okay, because I got to tell you right now,
I would love it if it was column B, because
for whatever reason, my entire yard is full of dandelions.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
This year, we have deer in our neighborhood. I've talked
about the deer before. They're really cute. I love seeing
them until they eat all my flowers and then they
become the damn deer. But the deer eat the dandelions
and then they obviously poop everywhere, and then they spread
the dandelions heats everywhere and they're poop. So it's like
this year's out of control. But if we, meaning you

(31:37):
and me and the rest of the world in America
decide the dandylions are cool, that takes a lot of
pressure off me. Manby build a tiny home in your
backyard for your mom, That's what I'm talking about. That's
exactly what I'm talking about. But I also want to
have enough space because when my mom passes, I want
to be able to use it. As a short term rental.
You know, I got plans people, I've got things to do.

(32:00):
This person said, dandy lions are very high in nutrition.
Put some leaves in a traditional salad. Vitamin A is high.
I have eaten dandelions and they are bitter. If you
like a ruguola, you're gonna love dandelions. Guess who doesn't
like a rugola? That would be me. Well, dandelions are
not acceptable. Hold your ground, Mandy. That's what I was
afraid you were going to say. I gotta get my

(32:23):
my I gotta get some kind of dandylion killer on
my yard. Anyway. Okay, I want to talk about this column,
but I don't think I have time to do it justice,
but I want to direct your attention to it. John Caldera,
who we all know is a treasure. Just ask him,
has written a phenomenal column and I could not agree
more with him, although I'm going to add one aspect

(32:45):
to it. He's writing about how the color writer Supreme
Court and its infinite wisdom has allowed the city at
Boulder to sue oil and gas companies over their culpability
and climate change, and he, of course sarcastically says I
wish Bolder nothing but success. But then he goes through
column to point out that of the roughly eight billion
people inhabiting this planet, only one billion of us have

(33:10):
reliable energy on demand. We flip the switch, the light
goes on, we don't even think twice about it. And
so now Boulders trying to keep oil and gas in
the ground, because is in that ultimately the endgame of
a lawsuit accusing oil and gas of destroying our environment.
They have the luxury of thinking that keeping oil and

(33:31):
gas in the ground would be helpful. He then goes
on to talk about people in Africa who still cook
food over an open fire fueled by wood or animal dung,
and that if we really want to talk about carbon emissions,
then we've got to allow these people to have the
same cheap and abundant energy that we have in the
form of natural gas. These are luxury beliefs by the

(33:54):
city of Boulder. They're luxury beliefs by the rich people
who live in Boulder, who have absolutely no for people
who are still cooking food over animal dung. They only
want to be seen in the right light and virtue
signaling while preventing other people who don't have the luxury
of turning on a light switch and having lights come on,

(34:15):
or having a stove where they can cook food, not
over animal dung. Screw those people. Citia Boulder doesn't care
for you at all, Mandy. We did just drink dandelion tea,
so good for you? What does that even taste like?
I need more information about that, Texter. I do. And

(34:36):
to the person who said, did you block me, No,
I did not block anyone. You gotta work hard to
have me block you from anything, and I mean really hard.
When we get back, we're going to talk to Corey
Gaines of the Colorado Accountability Project. He's been doing some
math on how much all these lawsuits against the Trump
administration are costing Colorado, and the numbers are huge, so

(34:57):
big there's not even room for the h We'll be
right back.

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Speaker 4 (35:27):
Welcome to the second hour of the show. And just
last week I was saying to myself self. I wonder
what our Attorney General, Phil Wiser, who is also running
for governor, is spending suing the Trump administration. And lo
and behold, Corey Gaines comes to the rescue at the
Colorado Accountability Project, a phenomenal blog that he does where
he just popes the bear over and over and over again,

(35:50):
using their own statistics against them. He is joining me
now to talk about this. Cory, welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (35:56):
Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Well, first of all, I want to find out a
little bit about you, okay, because I have been reading
the Colorado Accountability Project and now complete Colorado dot Com
shares your work quite a bit. How did you start this?
What's your background? What made you want to be a
nerd to dig into this stuff?

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Well, I didn't start.

Speaker 10 (36:17):
Out this way. I actually, way back in the dark
initial days of COVID, started out writing letters to the legislature,
the leadership of the legislature, saying why have you abdicated
your authority to the governor? And I kept getting you know,
like hear hear Corey from Republicans, nothing from Democrats. So

(36:39):
I decided eventually to write my own blog and then
kind of went on from there. And I'm actually a
teacher by profession, So as I learned stuff, I like
to share it. So I was like, well, how do
you do a record's request? You know, how do you
go look and find expense reports?

Speaker 8 (36:55):
Things like that?

Speaker 10 (36:56):
So it just kind of evolved from there. I would
learn new things, put them to work, share them with people,
et cetera.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Well, and now, first of all, thank you for doing
this particular column, because last week I was like, you
know what, I mean, what are we in right now?
What are we in? Fifteen lawsuits against the federal government?
Last time I checked it was fifteen. Do you know
how many it is now?

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I think yeah?

Speaker 10 (37:18):
So when I wrote the newsletter it was fifteen. I
believe that we're up to twenty. What yeah, I think
we're up to twenty now. And now these are lawsuits
that the Attorney General has either filed or joined.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Right.

Speaker 10 (37:34):
One of the things that Attorney General Wiser likes to
do is is attach him attached caller out of two
lawsuits that are already happening by filing a brief and
then claiming, you know, hey, we're part of this now.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Okay, So what are we looking at in terms of
taxpayer dollars that are being spent to sue the Trump administration. Because,
and I pointed this out before, I don't know every
lawsuit that Phil Wiser is either fiveiled or has joined onto.
But I do know that some of the ones he
has joined on to have already there is precedents in
the Supreme Court that indicate to me they're going to

(38:10):
be losing suits.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Right.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
I mean, the President says the federal government can with
old funds in order to make stakes do what they
want us just do. So what are we looking at
and how did you break down these costs?

Speaker 10 (38:21):
Well, so it's it was hard to get to straight
away to a number.

Speaker 8 (38:27):
Right.

Speaker 10 (38:28):
The best I could do I had sent in a
corps request to his office and got back in the
Inner Office memo that his office had sent to the
Joint Budget Committee back in March. And essentially what they
were saying was is that we've done you know, X
number of lawsuits so far, it's this many you know,
it's this many hours that we've racked up and this

(38:49):
much cost, et cetera. We can't continue this without more money.
So back in March, his request of the Joint Budget
Committee was for the com fiscal year about six hundred.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Thousand additional dollars.

Speaker 10 (39:05):
Yes, okay, six hundred thousand dollars, and that funds I think,
you know, it's got total FPE of two point eight
meaning probably and I think when I I don't recall
all the details off the top of my head, but
that funded two high flying lawyers and perhaps some assistance.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Does that guilt I mean we do. We also know,
and this is separate from the state that the city
of Denver contracted with a Democrat concern controlled law firm
in DC to help them get through this immigration stuff.
But that's separate from the state fund. I just wanted
to make sure we mention that because I know other
people in the listening audience are going to go, what
about the million bucks for this? You know, these attorneys?

(39:44):
So this is just to fund the people who already
work here. Are we hiring outside help for these as well?

Speaker 10 (39:51):
Hiring outside help his office has already put in. But
prior to this is when I got that Corps request back.
By that memo, he was saying, I'm not sure exactly
how they didn't indicate, but somehow or another they got
win that a bunch of stuff was coming out of
the Trump administration prior to Trump taking office, so you know,

(40:13):
it's sort of intimated in this memo that they had
started gearing up and have been probably paying attention since
you know, January twenty s after Trump took office, and
they have been working within house people. But in order
to continue and keep the fun going, they do need
to hire some outside people or else they say it's

(40:36):
not sustainable. They're going to have to let something go,
which doesn't come as any surprise.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, I want to read this one paragraph from the memo.
It says, Uh, the f what does FTE stand for?

Speaker 10 (40:48):
Full time equivalent?

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Okay? Full time?

Speaker 5 (40:51):
Yeah, on full time employees?

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Okay, full time equivalent workload is presently absorbed by the
thirty some attorneys assigned to this work. However, this is
an unsustainable model to continue. This is particularly true as
number one, the Department does not expect this new workload
to abate. Number two, the workload is anticipated to grow
if and when new litigation is brought specific to Colorado agencies, facilities,

(41:16):
or laws, and number three, federal agencies actions delaying, pausing,
or canceling state agency and federal funding grants has not
stopped despite current tros and preliminary injections ordered by the
federal court. So essentially what they're saying is, we can't
continue working this hard, but we also expect to file
more lawsuits.

Speaker 10 (41:36):
Yeah, in essence, that's what I took it to mean. Yeah,
it was kind of funny to me to read that,
because you know, I mean, maybe if you run out
of staff or if you run out of money, you
might have to reprioritize, and that's something the AG has
certainly never been uncomfortable with. I can I'm thinking of
a time when they reprioritize their way away from helping

(41:57):
rural fire departments get money from Colorado. This is something
he's done. Why not here, Probably because it's not politically advantageous,
But I'll leave it to other people to figure out
what his motives are.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
So you've got a spreadsheet in here that seems to
show the Attorney General's estimate for what they thought they
would need as of March twelfth, of twenty twenty five,
And they did a pretty detailed estimate. And what do
people see when they're looking at this estimate of what
they started with and what they're gonna need next year.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
Well, by my reading, and some of these acronyms are kind.

Speaker 10 (42:35):
Of difficult, but basically.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
The upper part of the spreadsheet that came out.

Speaker 10 (42:41):
Of this memo is, you know, office supplies, you're gonna
have new people, You're gonna have to have a desk
forum and I don't know paper and pens and all right,
that's what I take it to be. Below that would
be the people. How much would you pay? And when
I read that, you know, maybe a senior assistant attorney general,

(43:01):
two of them. You know, it's like two hundred and
sixty one k. It makes me think that perhaps I
shouldn't have gone into teaching and I should have gone
into law school. Well, Corey, I mean kind of a
salary blows my mind.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
But wait a minute, you you left out the best part.
Not only does that two hundred and sixty one thousand
and change, they also get fifty two thousand put into
their para account. So you know, you can't leave off
the para contributions because any government employee, you can't just
look at the salary. You have to look at the
long term impact of that employee when it comes to

(43:34):
the PAARA system. Yep, So Essentially, they're asking for how
much more in the next year.

Speaker 10 (43:44):
So next year, fiscal year twenty six, which would start
in July of this year, our fiscal years ago July
to June, that would be total. His estimate was six
hundred and four thousand in fiscal year twenty seven, and
that goes up both in terms of money and in
terms of full time equivalent employees to six hundred and

(44:06):
thirty eight thousand.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
So that's not a huge increase. But my question is
what are we not doing in the Attorney General's Office
when we have so many people working on these Trump cases.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
Yeah, that would be my question too.

Speaker 10 (44:23):
I saw an interview with mister Wiser and Ryan Warner
at CPR, and according to that interview, mister Wiser said
they hadn't short at anything. Why I don't work there,
I'm not a I'm a little bit dubious about that,
because I mean I can, like I said, there's been
plenty of things that have been reprioritized to use his

(44:47):
term away from the AG's office. So, yeah, we live
in a finite world.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
There's no magic.

Speaker 10 (44:54):
Something had to have been cut somewhere or half asked,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Yeah, let me ask about the four hundred thousand dollars
slush fund that I guess the governor freed up to
sue Trump. Tell me about that.

Speaker 10 (45:07):
So I'm not sure if Wiser got the full six
hundred k. What I do know for sure is that
a bill passed out of the legislature and that was
taking four hundred k and basically just giving it to
the governor in a in a slush fund and saying, here,

(45:27):
you have money. Now you can help support lawsuits. If
the Fed say we're not going to give you this
particular grant because you're a sanctuary state, you could use
that money to backfill That much did get given to
the governor by the legislature. And one of the things

(45:48):
that was in Wiser's memo was it was in a
later another they called it a comeback request, where it
was official that the Department of Law, the Attorney General's
office goes to the legislature and said give us money.
They proposed a way to fund that, but it would
have required legislation. This four hundred thousand dollars legislation did.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Pass, Okay, So we know that at least four hundred
thousand dollars of taxpayer money in a year that we
were told was desperately tight and that we all had
to tighten our belts because we had to trim one
point qwo billion dollars out of the budget. They found
four hundred thousand dollars to sue Trump. Is that, I mean,
that's a fair assessment, right.

Speaker 10 (46:29):
Yeah, And that at one point two billion dollars shortfold
ought to come with an asterix on it, because the
budget actually grew this year faster than inflation, even though
we did have that shortfall of the budget went up
something like three or four percent, right, which is higher
than inflation.

Speaker 8 (46:47):
So yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
One other thing that's in this newsletter is about Attorney
General Phil Wiser using taxpayer dollars to support gun control groups?
Are those gun control groups in the state? Are we
supporting groups in other states?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Well?

Speaker 10 (47:02):
So what it was this was sort of this one
little line item down way at the bottom of this
memo that I got from the AG's office, and it
was a table of different suits at the time of
the writing in March, and a couple of the last items.
This actually occurred back in the Biden administration. One of

(47:23):
the things that Weiser has been doing was he was
signing on to join to defend, signing on to help
Joe Biden in a couple of gun control lawsuits that
had been filed. These had reached the appellate level, and
that was another one where the Attorney General signed us

(47:44):
on too. It because it's not something you see a
lot in the media, but our attorney general is quite
a gun control enthusiast, so I'm sure that he was
happy to sign on to help the Biden administration with
these lawsuits.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Well, it's funny, somebody else on our text line how
many lawsuits were filed by Colorado during the Biden administration.
I did a quick Google, couldn't find a single one.
That's so weird. I mean, cities sued, but not the
state of Colorado, because of course the state of Colorado
agreed with everything that he was doing. So somebody just
asked on the text line, Hi, Mandy, I appreciate your guest.

(48:20):
Is he essentially doging in Colorado? I mean a little bit,
But unfortunately we don't have lawmakers that care about what
you're doing, Corey, so they're not going to actually do
anything with the information that you're providing. I don't mean
to laugh about it.

Speaker 6 (48:35):
But it's true, you know, oh.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I wish.

Speaker 10 (48:39):
I wish that they did, and not just me, but
other people that sort of work in this alternative media
space like pre State Colorado is another good one. I
wish that more attention would be paid. And like I
said at the start, that was one of the things
that spurred me to do this page. Every time I
would write the legislature, i'd hear from the Republicans, I
would hear almost nothing from Democrats.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
Right, well, they don't care.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
One of the biggest I don't know, it's it's intellectually
I knew that this is how it was in Colorado,
but I got to tell you, seeing the you know,
the social media videos that were posted by Democrats in
this last legislative session where they were taking the petitions
that were signed against SB three and showing themselves making

(49:24):
origami or a little cutout snowflakes or you know, doing
whatever they were doing with those with those petitions, really
drove home how little they care about the opinions of
Republicans or conservatives in this state. They really don't care
what we have to say, and they're open about it,
and they're open with their disdain for the voters and

(49:45):
they they have no reason to expect they'll be held
to account for it, and that's super frustrating.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Oh here here, And I would say that goes.

Speaker 10 (49:53):
Double if you live in rural Colorado like I do,
or if you work in egg Yeah, because from the top,
what you get is a big middle finger from the state.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
That is one hundred percent correct. Today on the blog,
I have a great column by Rachel Gable and talking
about the newest appointment by Jared Polis into an office
that is going to oversee much of our public lands
that are used by ranchers and farmers and oil and
gas is now going to be headed by a person
who is anti all of those things. So the war

(50:24):
against rural Colorado is now gone from just a war
against oil and gas to a war against agriculture and
ranching at a level that I don't think people understand.
So to your point, yeah, there's a lot of disdain
in the front range by Democrats for the rest of
the state.

Speaker 10 (50:42):
In my view, right well, and you know it's bad
when a Democrat themselves acknowledges it. I don't know if
you remember it was Senator Donovan, Carrie Donovan yep. Made
a remark once that I don't remember the exact words,
but it was something like, I'm the only Democrat down
here and knows what post hole diggers in the back

(51:03):
of a pickup look like.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Something you came to that, right, right, which is I
think it's a big.

Speaker 10 (51:08):
Change from even when I was a kid. I'm not
being politically aware of my whole life, but I do
remember a lot more connections between the Front Range and
rural Colorado. I mean, it's always been tension, but it
felt like more when I was a kid, as opposed
to like the last ten years, where it's gotten just
completely disconnected.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
When I moved here thirteen years ago, twelve years ago,
excuse me, there was and I told people this all
the time. One of the things I loved about Colorado
is you could be in a nice restaurant and you
see a same number of people wearing cowboy hats and
belt buckles as you did wearing suits. Right, It still
had that Western feel to it. I do not feel
that at all anymore in the Front Range. And we've

(51:51):
seen in discussions about the National Western Complex and trying
to get the funding for that done, just to maintain
that connection to our agriculture and ranchers in the state.
There's been a lot of people fighting against that, and
it really goes to show that the people that live
in the Denver Boulder corridor really don't care about the

(52:11):
people who don't live in this corridor.

Speaker 10 (52:14):
Yeah, I would agree. I remember hearing something that was
Colorado Springs City councilmen. I forget his name, but one
of the things the Springs is doing is taking water
up out of the Lower Arkansas, so saying, Rocky Ford,
where we grow melon, et cetera, they're taking it up
out of there. And one of his laments was, was
we use so much water for egg in this day.

(52:36):
Can't these people just use drip irrigation. It's like, dude,
have you ever been in the field.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Have you ever been to a farm ever?

Speaker 10 (52:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (52:43):
What's comical is when people who have never And I'm
going to use this latest appointee that Jared Poulis is
putting on this board. It's a friend of his. She
used to work for wild Earth Guardians, one of the
most extreme environmental organizations out there. They believe that all
of our lands should be rewilded and that we should
not have any farming, and I just want to ask

(53:05):
these people where are you going to get your food?
But I think the response is going to be I'll
just keep going to whole Foods like I do. Now,
you know, I mean, the disconnect is so huge, Corey Gains,
I so appreciate what you do. And I put a
link to today's newsletter, and people should subscribe to the
Colorado Accountability Project because you will learn so many things
that will make your head explode. But you need to

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know them, right, You need to know them. Corey, keep
up the good work, my friend.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
Thank you. I appreciate you having me on no problem.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
I'll do it again soon, right, all right? That's Corey
Gains And again I put a link to his Colorado
Accountability Project dot substack dot com. Mandy my thirty six
acres of agricultural property went from four hundred and fifty
six in taxas a year to twenty two thousand. Never

(53:56):
doubt that Colorado Democrats in the legislation and the governor
hate you if you are a rancher or you dare
to grow food on your property that they think should
be rewilded and covered with prairie dogs and sage grouse.
They hate you. And this is one of those things
that I genuinely don't understand. It's not like we're talking

(54:18):
about like, hey, we're going to displace a bunch of
people who are weaving baskets. Okay, great, weaving baskets is
a noble profession, but it's not necessary for our very survival. However,
growing food certainly is. And what's happening with this. I'm
gonna ahead and finish with this because I don't want
to get into the weeds because it's kind of dense.
There are people, all rich, all liberal, and they create

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these these nonprofit collectives and they go into farming communities.
They're doing this in Montana right now, and they buy
up farmland because they overpay for it. They pay way
more than a private person could buy that same farmland
for and then they just let it go. They just
quote rewile it. That's great, until you buy up all
the farmland and then there's nobody left growing food. The

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short sighted it of it, I mean, this is almost
this is similar to the way that Ukraine was starved
to death because the Soviet Union decided that they because
they were the mighty Soviet Union. And this is going
to sound so crazy, but it is true. The leadership
of the Soviet Union decided that because they were the

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mighty Soviet Union, they were going to replace the crops
that grew well in Ukraine and they were going to
grow crops that traditionally hadn't grown well in Ukraine to
prove the might of the Soviet Union, and millions of
people starved to death. This feels very similar and certainly
as totalitarian. Anthony Rodriguez will be on a jury tomorrow,
so Weld County criminals look out. Yeah, well, I don't

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You may not be in a jury, but you do
have to report tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (55:53):
I don't even know what the process is like at all.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
You you go and say I'm here for jury duty,
and then and then something something. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (55:59):
I've had experience incredibly helpful.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
I'm here for jury.

Speaker 7 (56:03):
Duty and something something something something. Yeah, No, I figured
the part of walking in and say hey, I'm here
for jury duty.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Somebody will direct you to the right place.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
But then do you like go through like I know,
you got to go through the interview process.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
You're gonna have a full report for us though. When
you get back. Okay, because for those of us who
have not had the chance to be on a jury,
I'm finding this fascinating. I hope you get some really
interesting criminal case. We'll see, although I don't know if
any really interesting criminal cases are happening in Weld County.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
Yeah, you may not tell her from me for the week.
Who knows, hopefully not.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Yeah, you can't be gone like a long time, Like
if this is like a six week jury, you're just
gonna have to tell them. I need you to call
Mandy Connell. Yeah, because she is not that's not a wall.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
I'll just hear the name and go. You're dismissed. Thank
you for your time.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Can you imagine I have good news out of Gaza. No,
it's not a ceasefire, although you know, talks are continuing
between Israel and moss as. Amas is increasingly decimated and
without supplies. They have been hoarding all the supplies, the
humanitarian aid, but now even that's running out. And now
Palestinians have taken to the streets. And this is a

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very big deal because a few protests ago, one of
the leaders of the protest movement, after the protest started
there demanding that has Hamas leave Gaza, and one of
the leaders of that protest movement was actually murdered and
left his destroyed body left on the doorstep of his

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family's home to remind everyone what happens when people protest Tomas.
And here's the thing, you guys in talking to my
nephew about the situation, and my nephew's in the IDF
and he's actively involved in this war right now. He said,
manby the people in the Gaza strip are as oppressed

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and as brainwashed as the North Korean people. And the
North Korean people are I mean staggeringly brainwashed. And he
said they're so tightly controlled they are not allowed to
do anything. They don't get to vote. Hamas has oppressed them.
If you step out of line, Hamas will murder you
without a trial or anything like that. They're just a

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horrible regime. That part always escapes people who are protesting
on quote behalf of the Palestinian people, because if you
are protesting to keep the status quo, you are not
protesting on behalf of the Palestinian people. You are protesting
on behalf of Hamas, a murderous organization that decided to
rape women and murder babies to prevent the Abraham Accords

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from moving forward. There was a story a couple of
days ago about the UN refugee agency that is charged
with maintaining order of some sort. Well, there were actually
employees of that agency who knew about the October seventh
attacks before they happened, and it was explicitly stated in

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some meetings with Hamas leadership that the reason they were
doing it when they did it was they wanted to
stop the forward progress of the Abraham Accords. They wanted
to stop the normalization of Saudi Arabia and Israel's relations
because they know that if Saudi Arabia completely normalizes relations
with Israel, other Arab nations will too, So that is

(59:23):
why in order to prevent that from happening, they decided
to rape and murder and dismember people who had the
nerve to live on a kibbutz. That was their reaction.
So Hamas is made up of the worst of the
worst of humanity in my view, and the Palestinian people

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have no means to fight back. There is gun control
in the Gaza Strip, meaning that average Gazans are not
allowed to have weapons, but am Mahammas, of course has weapons,
and the fact that people are now out openly calling
for Hamas to leave Gaza and for Hamas to sept
in is really bold because unlike when people show up

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in Denver to spray paint nasty things on our statues
and to face our capital, there's no expectation of them
being murdered because of it. In Gaza, there is an
expectation that they will be murdered because of it. So
I want to support these people to a point. But
here's my ask of the Palestinians who are currently protesting

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asking for Hamas to leave the Gaza strip Start ratting
Hamas out, Start telling the IDF where to find the
tunnel openings to start telling the IDF where they might
find the bodies of the remaining hostages, because I think
at this point no one expects any hostages to be alive.
Start asking these people, you want Hamas out of Gaza,

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you want a new life. You want a life where
you can self determine and you can make your own choices.
Help Israel eradicate Amas. But they won't do it because
they have been so deeply indoctrinated to hate Israel and
to hate Jews, that they are not capable of putting
that hatred aside in order to further their own personal

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self interest. Think about that for a second. They hate
Israel more than they hate being oppressed by someone that
might murder them for showing up at a protest. That's
how deeply ingrained the hatred of Israel and the Jews
is in Palestinian society. And that is the big problem.
I retweeted something. I retweeted it earlier so I could

(01:01:31):
remember where it was and I could find it. But
someone went through and found the results of a two
state solution. Because you know, you've got Kerestormer in the UK,
You've got Macrone in France. They're demanding that Israel stop
fighting in the Gaza strip and embrace a two state solution.
Now they are willfully ignoring the fact that Israel in

(01:01:53):
the past has made multiple attempts to embrace the two
state solution. But how moss and the Palestinian said no.
Before Hamas came in, Yaser Arafat said no. But the
reality of a two state solution looks like this. Let's
talk about the areas where we've had a two state
solution how's that working for Pakistan and India right about now?

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How's it working out? How did it work in Vietnam?
Didn't work so good? How about North and South Korea?
How many people have been killed because of that two
state solution? The reality is is that unless and until
the Palestinian people are willing to take out of their constitution,
the part that says they are committed to the destruction
of Israel, and unless and until they're willing to say unequivocally,

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without hedging, without crossing their fingers, that Israel has a
right to exist. All of these people saying that Israel
needs to embrace the two state solution need to sit
down and shut up right now. I don't think Israel
gives a rat's petuity about what the rest of the
world thinks. They've recognized that once again they're going to
be held out to dry while their enemies Hamas, which

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is an ally of Iran, is going to be embraced
by the young schols full of mush who are deeply
in their hearts anti Semitic and are trying to cover
it up by acting like they are advocating for an
oppressed people. The problem is they are advocating for people
to continue to be oppressed by their oppressors, which is Hamas.
It makes no sense, and yet here we are, so

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I'm encouraged to their protests in the Gaza strip. Do
I think it's going to change anything? No, I don't,
not until the Palestinian people start telling us where to
find the rest of Hamas so we can eliminate them completely.
A note I said, eliminate Hamas, not the Palestinian people.
I'm not interested in eliminating the Palestinian people. But as

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long as they are going to help Hamas, as long
as they are going to keep hostages in their apartments,
as long as they are going to allow tunnels to
have interests that come up right through their schools and hospitals.
I have a hard time jitting up a ton of sympathy,
but I do have a little bit. Maybe that little
bit can grow. Should a Rod show up tomorrow for
jury duty wearing an orange jumpsuit? Not when this is

(01:04:10):
like doc on the back, I mean just a regular
because he has of course he has orange jumpsuits as
a Broncos fan. Of course, right, should he show up
in an orange jumpsuit for jury duty?

Speaker 7 (01:04:18):
Do I balance the getting excused with the risk of
getting content kept.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Of course, if there's a there's a really fine line.
Why did you just wear orange pants, orange shirt? Ability, Yes,
you've got a bright orange hoodie on right now.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
M you know, make them just think he looks like
are exactly I thought he's doing on purpose, But we
don't like the way he looks.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
You're out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Yeah, yeah, I got this question. You can text us
on the Common Spirit Ealth text line at five six
to six. And I know this person said not trying
to be a jerk. They didn't say jerk, but I
want to wait that nabit, where'd it go? Not trying
to be a jerk? But if you didn't have a
relation in Israel, would you still care this much? And
the answer is absolutely yes. And because I've been to Israel,

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and Israel is the cradle of three religions, and it
is the cradle of humanity, it's the cradle of civilization.
So much of our modern civilization started back then in Israel.
It's incredibly vitally important not to mention it's the only
democracy left in the Middle East. And then you throw

(01:05:23):
in I mean, I have a Jewish nephew but then
you cannot dismiss why we have Israel in the first place,
and that is because the rest of the world let
six million Jews be slaughtered by Hitler, Right, I think
all of that has to matter. I'm watching Chuck and
I started this show. It's not a new show, but
it was new to us. It's a show on History

(01:05:43):
Channel called Barbarians Rising, and it's about how the barbarians
and the barbarians back in the Roman Empire were anybody
who was not part of Greek and Roman civilization, like
only Rome and Greece were civilized. And I'm putting air
quotes around that if you did not live in that civilization,
then you were a bar bury it. It has been
fascinating and I've learned a ton of stuff I didn't know.

(01:06:04):
But it's, first of all, it's way too golry for
my taste. I don't understand why we have to it's
just gross. But that being said, watching these people fight
back against the Roman Empire and the things that the
Roman Empire did were absolutely horrific in terms of how
they treated their conquered peoples. And I don't remember why

(01:06:25):
I just brought this up. What the heck, we were
just talking about a rod. Why did I bring that up?

Speaker 10 (01:06:29):
Right now?

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
I have no idea if you didn't have a relative
in oh no.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
But it gives you a different perspective on war, right
because some of these, like the battles for the Roman Empire,
went on for hundreds of years where the empire expanded
and then and then it was pushed back into its
boundaries by Germania, and then they went into Britannica. It's
just it's fascinating to realize that some of these quote

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battles went on for thirty years, thirty years, you know.
And we talk about the endless war in Afghanistan, which
did go on far too long, but man, thirty years
of warfare, there were so many battles where people lost
eighty thousand troops in one battle. So what we're doing now?

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I always think to ourselves, like, when are we going
to evolve out of war? When is blowing up and
destroying stuff going to cease being a good idea. When
are we going to recognize that it is such a
waste of life and treasure and you know, opportunities to
elevate the status of people in our communities. This is

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where I know, beyond the shadow of a doubt that
the human ego sometimes works purely for evil, because it
is just ego for many people. It's just ego. For
Kim Jong un in South Korea, it's just ego. He's
decided he's a god and he's going to continue down

(01:07:58):
that path. It's disheartening to think that we haven't evolved
much much further than we have. But yet here we are,
and now we have an enormous ego in the White
House who doesn't want war at all. He just wants
people to get along so everybody can make money. The
one thing I do worry about about the Trump administration

(01:08:20):
is that he underestimates the level of deep seated hatred
for the United States of America and everything that we
stand for among large parts of the populations of countries
that he is now courting to be a strategy or
to be partners with us. Now, what we've been doing

(01:08:41):
is not working, clearly, I mean, it's it's not working,
so maybe a new approach is what we need. But
I think that he seems or maybe he is, he's
just not letting on to be underestimating the level of
hatred that we're dealing with. By the way, I came
up with something today and I think it's original to me.
Maybe I was writing about the Qatari plane that Trump

(01:09:03):
wants to take as a backup for air Force one,
and I called it Arab Force one by accident, and
I was like, oh, that's kind of good. I might
leave that today on the blog. By the way, I
have a story about Arab Force one and the guy
who currently owns it not a nice dude. Not a
nice dude at all. And not only is he connected
to funding terrorism, some of which was against our interests,

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he also is implicated in the Bob Menendez bribery trial.
Not who we want to get in. You know, we
don't need a plane. We can live without that plane.
We'll be just fine. Absolutely, Mandy. I say this as
a proud sixty three year old male. When women are
when women are in charge, maybe, although I've known some

(01:09:48):
pretty nasty women in my day, but none of them
ever wanted to fight me, So I guess that's something
I don't know. When we get back. This study that
I just read about this morning, super cool. Have you
ever had an aha moment where something finally clicked in
your brain and you were like, Oh, I finally get it.
Whatever that was, you learned it more than if you'd

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learned it gradually. I'll tell you about that next.

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I'm your host, Mandy Connell. That guy over there Anthony Rodriguez,
we'll call him juror number one as he goes to
jury duty tomorrow. I can hardly win. Yes, it's true.
I have some bad news you guys. This is a sad,
sad one for those of us who grew up watching Cheers.

(01:11:00):
George Went has passed away at the age of seventy six.
His death was confirmed by his publicist. And I gotta
tell you, I don't know if I'm the only one
to do this, but can you imagine, like George went
walking through the pearly gates. Do you think everybody turned
around and yelled.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Norm That would be cool.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
That'd be very cool. Although I do have an awkward
George Went. Story. So, George Went was supposed to be
on the radio show that I used to work on
when I was the producer, and twenty seconds before he
was coming on the show, we got a message from
his publicist, Yeah, George doesn't really want to talk about Cheers,
and we were like what what and ended up doing

(01:11:45):
a fine interview, but it was one of those things
where it's like, I don't even know what else I
know him from other than Cheers. So rest in peace,
George Went. And I hope that everyone in the heaven
did yell norm if you would have enjoyed it. And
I hope at this point I would say that hopefully

(01:12:08):
got over that. I mean, I've never understood and I
guess it's frustrating when you're an actor and you get
typecast right and you have trouble getting a different role
because you're so closely identified with the role that you're playing.
But I certainly hope people do kind of come to
terms with that later, because I'd hate for people to

(01:12:29):
look back on something that may end up to be
the greatest professional accomplishment of their lives with anything but pride. Right,
I mean, he should be very proud of that work.
He was amazing. I hope he got over that at
some point. Now let me get to this study, which
I think is so cool. Now, we've all had Aha
moments in our lives right where you're working on something

(01:12:49):
and working on something, and then suddenly something clicks and
you're like, oh, I get it, I understand Eureka. Well,
scientists decided to study brains of people as they had
those Aha moments. Listen to this. A research team from
Duke University in the University of Berlin has pinpointed exactly

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what happens in our brains during these Eureka moments, explaining
why we tend to remember solutions discovered through sudden insights
far better than information learned through routine methods. According to
the researchers, when we experience that insight, our brains undergo
a process called represented representational change that is a rapid

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reorganization of how information is processed. The study shows it's
not just a subjective feeling, it's a measurable change in
brain activity that actually enhances memory formation. The study focused
on how the brain radically shifts its information processing during
moments of insight, using specially designed visual puzzles. They track

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brain activity as people suddenly recognized objects hidden in abstract
black and white images. What's particularly interesting is how the
study connects that feeling of solving a puzzle with actual
changes in brain activity. That rush when something suddenly makes
sense isn't just emotionally rewarding. It triggers a chain reaction

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in your brain that cements the memory of what you've learned.
And it goes on from there to talk about how
they used one of those puzzles. As a matter of fact,
just for fun. The other day, I took an IQ
test online. I didn't get this course because I didn't
know that I had to give them my email address
and I'm not doing that. But there are all those
puzzles where it's like you have a block and there's

(01:14:41):
certain blocks filled in and certain blocks not. So they
used one of those while inside an MRI. So they're
doing an MRI on your brain and then they would
identify the object. Then they rated how suddenly the solution
came to them, how certain they felt about their answer,
and how pop that if they felt about solving it.

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Five days later, they researchers tested how well participants remember
these solutions and lo and behold. Those solutions that had
high levels of insight, those aha moments were remembered about
twice as well as those who fought through gradual recognition.
I find this kind of stuff fascinating for a couple
of reasons. One, I think it's interesting that we are

(01:15:24):
now just now beginning to sort of understand how our
brains function, and how our brains learn, and how our
brains begin to understand things. I think it's the science
on brain development, brain plasticity, all of that stuff has
been fascinating and it's just now really and I hate
to say beginning to be understood, but because we may

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be at the very very beginning of a very long
process to understand how our brains work. But that being said,
anything that helps us understand what works and what doesn't
to help us learn, I think is super interesting. And
I'd love to know from any of you. Have you
ever had a like a moment where you got something

(01:16:07):
and you know that you learned it with absolute certainty
because of the way you learned it. For me, most
of my insights in the last I was really thinking
about this this morning, and I'm trying to think, like,
what what have I learned lately that I struggled with before?
When I was a student and I had to take math,
I took math the highest math I could take in

(01:16:28):
my high school, all the way through analytic geometry and calculus,
and it was the hardest thing I had to do.
I didn't really have to study for anything else but
for math.

Speaker 10 (01:16:39):
Ugh.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
It was always a struggle, and it was just an
uphill battle. Right, So when I had those AHA moments
when it came to math, I still remember those AHA moments,
But lately I feel like my AHA moments have been
more about human nature, when you have the realization about
something or the way society is functioning, or some of
that stuff. It really feels like those AHA moments are

(01:17:04):
the most important for me because having a better understanding
of human nature as you get older, I think is
critical to your own personal development, because if you don't
understand human nature at all, how are you supposed to
evaluate whether or not you're growing or you're learning new things. Mandy,
my AHA moment was take on me, of course, the

(01:17:26):
wonderful song by the band Aha So So Good. How
do you create an AHA moment? I'm not sure you
can create an AHA moment, except to work really hard
on a difficult problem and hope you have that light
bulb moment, right. I don't think you can go and
study for a test and wait to have aha moments

(01:17:47):
about everything. I just don't think our brains work that way.
And I don't know if you could force the issue. So,
Mandy about norm in Heaven know that he didn't yell
because his fame only matters here. Come on, Mandy, what's
Jacob norm All? Four cheeks and a couple of chins?

(01:18:09):
He was so a character, was so so good, so
so so good, Mandy. Have you ever had a guest
that frightened you? I worked on a TV show and
we were going to have this guy on that funded
suicide bombers. I eventually found his cell phone number, but
didn't feel comfortable calling him, even though allegedly he found Jesus.
I handed the phone number to the producer, but ultimately

(01:18:31):
we didn't book him. He creeped me out. I cannot
recall a guest that scared me, but one time, when
I was working in the news department, I had to
go cover the sentencing of a horrible, evil man who
wanted to be sentenced to death for a murder. He

(01:18:52):
was given life in prison without opportunity for parole by
a judge. He went into prison and immediately murdered his
cellmate he could get the death penalty, and I had
to go cover that sentencing. There was nobody in the
courtroom at all. There was no spectators or anything, and
he stared at me and he had these dead cold eyes.

(01:19:15):
The judge made me stand up and move, so I
moved behind him so he couldn't turn and look at me.
It was I'm not kidding when I say I it
was like forty five minutes back to the station for
where the sentencing took place, and the entire time back
I was just like, oh oh, And I'm very glad
to know that he is going to die in prison
one way or the other. Mandy, I find I learned

(01:19:38):
best from my mistakes, Like when I get called out
my by boss or publicly shamed. I'm curious if that's
a similar brain reaction as an AHA moment, but it
would be hard to duplicate in controlled settings. I agree
with this so much. And you know what, when you
have kids, especially teenagers, because you know once your kids
become teenagers. You're the dumbest person ever, right, So you're

(01:20:00):
trying to impart wisdom to your children and they're not listening.
And I mean, there are times when Chuck and I
just look at each other and say, they're gonna have
to be humiliated by someone outside the family, right, Someone
outside the family is gonna have to call them the
carpet for that. Because I can remember with absolute clarity
the times that I have suffered humiliation, most of the

(01:20:21):
time absolutely self inflicted. And let me tell you something.
I didn't do whatever it was twice, because you never
want to feel that sting.

Speaker 10 (01:20:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
I've always known whenever I get too big for my breeches,
God checks me. God just like, Yeah, Mandy, here's a
little reminder that you're not nearly as cool as you
thought you were. It's happened to me over and over
and over again in life. So now I try to
remain humble, but it's hard when you're perfect in every way.

(01:20:54):
That was a song reference for the six people who
just got it. Now that song's gonna be running through
my head the rest of the day. Mandy's some appropriate
bumper music for George in Heaven. There is no beer, Well,
then how could it be heaven if there's no beer
in heaven? Y'all seem fairly sane for Deep South folks.
I grew up in Texas, so you know I'm crazy.
Colorado was occupied Northwest Republic of Texas. Texans think they

(01:21:19):
own everything. I happen to love Texans. And here's the thing, Like,
if somebody says, oh, I'm from the Deep South, and
you go, oh, where you're from, and they go Texas,
I'm like, that's that's not the Deep South. Texas is Texas.
It is its own thing. He doesn't fit anywhere else
with anybody else. It's Texas, Mandy, no jumpsuit. Poor a

(01:21:41):
Rod could wind up at El Salvador. We may never
see him again. And I like a Rod. I don't
think we I think we've gotta know what are you
gonna suit and tie? What are you gonna wear? What
you what are you doing there?

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
I'm taking recommendations. I've been thinking about it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
I would dress business casual, you know, like nice pants, nice.

Speaker 7 (01:21:58):
Shirt tucked in. I've been like Lee, if you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
Have a if you have a shirt that looks good
on top to all, I know, An is a pretty
snappy dresser, like I've had producers in the past who
shall remain nameless, who would show up at events in
embarrassing fashion. And I do mean literally embarrassing fashion.

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
I mean on the radio.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Yeah, he still dresses.

Speaker 6 (01:22:23):
What should we call it? I'm professional comf well.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
In radio, Like professional radio is different. Professional fashion in
radio is different than professional dress in a normal office.
A yeah, yeah, but I mean you still. I mean
I've worked with people who were I mean, okay, maybe
I shouldn't say I worked with people because I might
have been this people. When I worked midnight to six

(01:22:49):
am and I was a producer for an overnight show,
there were times when pajama pants might have been appropriate
for the office, but there was literally no other person
in the station when we were there. So I was
gonna see for me.

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
That is the tight joggers. They look nice, but they're
comf Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
I finally got shucked to buy it. Like I was like, look,
let me just buy these pants. They're supposed to be
travel pants. Let me just buy him for you. And
he saw him and he was like, oh no, no, no, no,
those are like skinny jeans. They're not skinny jeans at all.
So he puts them on it. They look amazing and
they have that four way stretch. Now he's a believer.

Speaker 7 (01:23:23):
The key is the elasticity at the ankle tight un
so it doesn't just flop around.

Speaker 6 (01:23:30):
Yeah, that is my must have. Yes for joggers.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
This person said, a three piece suit and a Harry
Potter robe. But that'll give you a little gravitas, Like
you look, they'll be like that guy went to Hogwarts.

Speaker 6 (01:23:41):
What's up? I mean that was a considered a weapon.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
That would be silly to have a wand in court.
You can't just wave the wand and determine if someone's
guilty or not.

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
Oh I was gonna wave the wand to get me
out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
But how about this is the shirt with a picture
of a guy behind bars that from Texas. How about
this one go as a furry? A Rod Trump's mugshot
on the shirt.

Speaker 6 (01:24:02):
As a furry.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
This is actual good advice. Before we take a break,
a rod dress comfortably. You sit around a lot doing
nothing other than waiting. I did Weld County a year
ago and made it down to the last fifteen. It
took all.

Speaker 6 (01:24:14):
When you're day doing nothing, texture, can you be on
your phone. I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
I mean, when you're doing nothing, just make sure you
bring a backup battery.

Speaker 7 (01:24:22):
Oh yeah, got iPhone, No problem, exactly, backup battery.

Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
Okay, how old your phone?

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
My phone is very old. Start to get glitchy on me.

Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
Time an upgrade? Yeah it is iPhone.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
I'm not getting an iPhone. That's not happening. When we
get back, Aaron Lee from Connecting Kids Colorado Protect Kids
Colorado is joining me. We're gonna talk a little bit
about why SB twelve thirteen not SBHP twelve thirteen in
its final past version, is so offensive to parents, and
why there are so many lawsuits already flying, or at

(01:24:56):
least one lawsuit. I should say, we'll do that next
the resulting lawsuit that has already been filed about SB
twenty five DASH twelve thirteen. This is the Kelly Loving Act.
It is being sold by those on the left as
a trans writes protection bill, but the reality is it
forces compelled speech and people are already standing.

Speaker 6 (01:25:15):
Up to sue.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
From a Fox News story, I want to share some
of these blurbs with you. A spokesman for the lead
plaintiff defending education has been quoted as saying the law
muzzles parents and doctors to protect the state's preferred gender orthodoxy.
Fox News reported that Defending Ed considers the new definition
of gender expression under the Kata a violation of the

(01:25:37):
First and fourteenth Amendments for using unconstitutionally over broad language
and enforcing compelled speech. The final version of thirteen twelve
expanded the definition of gender expression to include chosen name
and an individual's way of reflecting and expressing the individual's
gender to the outside world. That part I think means pronouns.

(01:26:01):
According to the lawsuit, this definition is overly broad and
punishes many forms of constitutionally protected speech. It prevents plaintiff's
ability to refer to transgender identifying individuals using biologically accurate terms,
which only allows for the advancement of gender ideology and
stifles First Amendment rights. And the lawsuit added that since CIDA,

(01:26:25):
which is the law, could prohibits the publishing of discriminatory matters,
the new act could prohibit and potentially penalize individuals, including parents,
for publicly disapproving of changing one's name and gender and
joining me now Aaron Lee, who is with one of
the plaintiffs in this lawsuit she is with protecting to

(01:26:46):
Protect Kids Colorado. First of all, Aerin, welcome back.

Speaker 6 (01:26:49):
To the show. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
So let me We've got You've got protect Kids Colorado,
Protecting Kids Colorado. We have Do No Harm organization, we
have Defending Ed, we have doctor Travis Morrell as an
individual citizen, and we have the Colorado Parents' Advocacy Network
or SEAPAN as they're known. You guys knew this was coming,

(01:27:13):
but did the law And I'm speaking for you personally, Aerin,
I want to know what you thought about what finally
came out of this bill, because it was way worse before.
I mean it was really bad before, still bad now,
but way worse before. Do you think that way worse
bill was just kind of a smoke screen to get
people fired up so they could take some stuff out

(01:27:35):
and still pass a terrible bill.

Speaker 12 (01:27:38):
Yeah, I'm glad you asked. I have a little bit
different perspective than a lot of other people on this.
I think the amendments were a smoke screen. I think
this bill is just as bad as it was when
it passed the House with the changes to it. So
what I believe is it was very poorly written to
begin with, and then we had this massive outcry. It
got a lot of attention. Pull got involved, and I

(01:28:01):
think he brought in some really smart lawyers to help
amend and strike and add to this bill. So it's
a game of semantics. They've played the shell game.

Speaker 9 (01:28:10):
They remove some of the.

Speaker 12 (01:28:11):
Most explicitly egregious parts of the bill, like the coerce
of control definition that would label parents as abusive, the
dead naming, the misgendering, but they just added different language
in that is less in your face and harder to
challenge legally. For example, they amended gender expression to include

(01:28:32):
chosen name or however a person wants to be addressed,
which basically is the same thing as dead naming and misgendering.
It says you must use whatever name someone wants to
be called in pronouns or else be beholden to the
ramifications within KADA. So in my opinion, it's the same bill.
It's different language, but it's just as bad.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Well to your point about that last part that you
were just talking about, that you can actually have a
complaint filed against you at the Civil Rights Commission you
the wrong pronouns. I mean, that's the reality of what
we're doing here. That's what this bill allows. And what's
frustrating to me is that they make they make sure
to carve out it can't be a frivolous name change.

(01:29:12):
Well why not. If somebody else can change their name
or change their gender based on their whims at that moment,
then why can't I change my name to Mandy Connell,
the Queen of All She Surveys, and force everyone to
refer to me only as Mandy Connall, Queen of All
she surveys, or I'm gonna, you know, call the cops
or whatever is going to happen. It's I agree the

(01:29:34):
the blurbs that I just read. I think one of
the biggest problems for the state is it's very subjective,
very subjective. The way it's written is very subjective and
subjective is not what you want in a in a law,
you just don't because it allows for too much interpretation
on this. Now, you guy, I know you were up
there at the at the Capitol testifying, and I know

(01:29:56):
that there were hundreds of people testifying all Obviously it
didn't fool everybody. Because we've now filed the challenge on
the first and fourteenth Amendment grounds. But what do you
hear from parents? Do they truly understand the nature of
this bill or are they still not quite understanding the

(01:30:16):
broad reach that could potentially happen here.

Speaker 12 (01:30:21):
I have to stress that the implications of thirteen twelve
are already practice in Colorado. And what I mean by
that is parents who are not willing to affirm their
child's gender confusion or transition their child, whether it's socially
or medically, are already losing custody of their kids for that.
There are several public parents Dustin Gonzalez, Jason Zook, Gene Maine,

(01:30:42):
a lot of them outlined by Colorado Parent Advocacy Network,
who have already lost custody rights in the state of
Colorado strictly because they are not willing to gender affirm
their child's new perceived sex. So it's already happening, it's
already practice. I don't think parents understand just how i'd
spread and pervasive this issue really is, and how it's

(01:31:02):
already happening to other parents. And so again that's why
I think they took out that course of control language
out of the bill, because if they had left it in,
we could have challenged that in court, right, we could
have challenged what is already practiced in court, and really
it would have been a backtrack of the progress of
the trans radical activists to transition and mutilate children. So

(01:31:24):
it's already happening, and parents really need to understand that
this law, especially with the new definitions within KADA, will
still be used against parents in court that chosen name
and how someone prefers to be referred to. That will
apply to children in custody situations in court, and not
just parents who are battling each other, but two parent

(01:31:45):
loving households like mine who were attacked with CPS will
also be affected by this.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
So let me ask you. I know that yesterday Ross
had the Governor on the show and he did not
ask him about this and got a lot of grief
from listeners about it to Ross's credity inviting him back
on today, and the Governor kind of, I mean, in
my mind, sort of breezily excused this bill, saying essentially,
these protections are already in place, and I think if

(01:32:14):
the protections already in place, then why do we have
another law? First of all, and second of all, what
I worry about is I'm sure that when they created
the Colorado Civil Rights Commission and they passed protections for
gay people, nobody ever said, Wow, I can't wait until
we can use this to force a guy to bake
a cake he doesn't want to bake. Wow, I can't
wait to use this to force a web designer to

(01:32:35):
build a website she doesn't want to build. So I
always look at what's the worst possible scenario, and I
really do see people filing a complaint if someone is misgendered.
I believe that I think that some trans people are
just so mentally unstable that they will use this to
try and force someone who missgenders them, whether on purpose

(01:32:58):
or not, into having to defend themselves legally. And this
is what we're looking at right now.

Speaker 12 (01:33:05):
Well, I've said since the day the law was filed
thirteen twelve that Jack Phillips had better get ready for
round three, because that's exactly how this is going to
be applied. I meet it's a matter of time before
someone goes after him. And as someone who's been sued
to the Colorado Supreme Court because of my work around
gender ideology in Colorado, someone who's received death threats, and

(01:33:25):
you know, my children's schools have been docs. I mean,
of course, people like me are going to be targeted
by these radical activists, the same people who wrote this
language and pushed these bills. I cannot stress enough that
the inmates are running the asylum in Colorado, and this
law came from a trans radical activist who has targeted

(01:33:46):
people like me in organizations like mine and Aaron.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
That is the heart of the issue for me, okay,
because I have long been a supporter of the rights
of adults to make their own choices, live with the
repercussions of their actions. And if you believe you are
another gender and you are an adult, you can choose
all of those things and do whatever it is you
want to do to affirm your gender. I wish you well.
I have no issue with that, But we've gone from

(01:34:11):
we just want to be left alone to live our
lives the way we want to live them.

Speaker 8 (01:34:14):
Too.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
You better say what I want you to say, or
you're going to be in trouble. And I fear that
this is going to create a tremendous amount of backlash
against trans people who are just mining their own business,
against the gay community, who has increasingly seen a rising
level of acceptance of things like gay marriage and other
things like that. I think we're going to this is

(01:34:37):
going to create a backward motion for any kind of
true march to equality, because equality is not forcing someone
to say something they don't want to say. Equality is
being able to make your own choices as an adult
and live the way you want to live. But we
have gone. We're just ripped right through that rubicon, right,
I mean, we just cross that bridge right away, and

(01:34:58):
I think it's going to end up being a bad,
bad choice going forward and create more problems in the
long run.

Speaker 12 (01:35:07):
It's how sad that this is happening in Colorado, which
was truly a libertarian, live and let live state. And
what it feels like to me is that general ideology
is the state manded religion, and if we're not willing
to go along with it, then the state will come
after us. In fact, one of my friends gave brilliant
testimony in the hearing against thirteen twelve that this violates
the Establishment Claus thirteen twelve because this is a state

(01:35:28):
mandated religion. If we're not willing to go along with it,
whether that's through language or through how we address our
children or what we will do in our schools, then
the state will shut us down as a result of
not following the religion. And that's really what it's turned into.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
It's sad to me because now you see the Europeans
who were pioneers in gender affirming care for children, they're
all walking it back because they found it to not
do what it was supposed to do, which is alleviate depression, anxiety,
other mental illness problems for children. And they don't know
the effect of these long term medical interventions. We don't
have enough data yet, So at what point are our

(01:36:04):
legislators going to start paying attention to the science that
they all told us to pay attention to during COVID.

Speaker 12 (01:36:10):
Well, the AHHS report that just dropped what two weeks
ago now is a huge step in the right direction
in this country. I think it's way more comprehensive than
even the cast review, which is what shut down England
from continuing to medically transition children at the tap Souc clinic.
So I think we're heading in the right direction. But
Colorado is certainly just digging our heels in on this issue.

(01:36:30):
Like nationally, we're starting to see a shift away from
transitioning children, and as you said, that's usually most people's
line in the sand. I also don't care what adults
do right in their own time, as long as it
doesn't compel my speech or involve my children. And that
was the line that got crossed. And you know, we
saw twenty seven states have reversed now transitioning children.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
But Colorado was just digging our heels in to the
detriment of the very children they think they're going to save.

Speaker 6 (01:36:55):
And that's the.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Saddest part, because we're not talking about temporary things. We're
not even talking about face tattoos, which can be removed.
We're talking about permanent, life altering decisions that we're letting
little children make when they are not remotely capable of
understanding the ramifications of those decisions. Aaron Lee, I appreciate
everything you guys are doing at protect kids Colorado and

(01:37:16):
all of these people were obviously going to be following
this very very closely. Hopefully it has resolved sooner rather
than later. My feeling is it's going to have to
go to the Supreme Court, and I'm assuming that the
Colorado Supreme Court will rule against you, and then the
US Supreme court will overturn them yet again when it
comes to stuff like this, But keep doing what you're
doing and we'll talk again soon. Aerin thanks Fanny, all right,

(01:37:40):
that is Aaron Lee with Protect Kids Colorado. We will
obviously be following those lawsuits very very carefully. The part
that gets me is that it's not just right wing people.
It's not just religious fundamentalists who are saying, hey, this
is wrong. Now we have medical doctor in Europe that

(01:38:00):
pioneered the transitioning of children going hey, way, this didn't
have the effect we wanted it to. It didn't do
what we thought it was going to do. And now
we're seeing children that are changing their minds. And I
love it when people say, oh, it's such a tiny
percentage of people that express regret, is it now? Really

(01:38:20):
after we've had a surge, especially in the number of
young women going through puberty that have decided their boys
what it's going to take in the United States, And
I firmly believe this is a few really, really, really
expensive lawsuits where someone who was convinced by a doctor
or medical provider to change their gender, only to change

(01:38:42):
their mind later, only to realize that the damage had
been done and it is permanent. They're going to sue
and they're going to win, and I hope they win
one hundred million dollars. That is what's going to stop
this in the United States of America because now it's
become a political issue instead of a medical issue, instead
of a science issue. Now it's become a political football.

(01:39:09):
Sorry hairball. So hopefully hopefully we can resolve this sooner
rather than later. But it's just the state of Colorado
and their interjection into parenting is going to lead to
fewer people being in this state when they have children.
It's going to lead to fewer parents sending their kids
to public school. Because, by the way, if you don't

(01:39:33):
have kids in high school, oh boy, are they steeped
in LGBTQ rainbow whatever? I mean? It is so ridiculous.
Every kid has to declare something. They can't just be
a kid, No, they have to be Oh, I'm I'm

(01:39:53):
queer whatever that means. Queer is a meaningless word at
this point. Whenever anybody wants to fit into another group
that is being celebrated, Oh I'm queer, What does that mean?
I don't know, but it is. These kids are just
absolutely steeped in it all day long, from their peer group.
From some teachers, not all teachers, but some teachers. It's

(01:40:15):
crazy what we're doing to these kids. It's absolutely absurd
that we're telling children they can change their gender when
they're little children. That is just it's almost so crazy.
It sounds like I'm making it up, right. Think about this.
Twenty years ago, if somebody had said to you, you
know what, we should let five year olds make medical

(01:40:36):
decisions that are permanent, people would have laughed out loud.
It would have been like, that is the dumbest thing
I've ever heard in my life. But now we have
all these trans Transhausen that's what they're called, Transhausen people,
parents who want to be special themselves, so they're convincing
their kids are another gender. Hey, everybody, look who just

(01:40:58):
wandered into the studio. Shelby hears everybody. I feel. I
feel very privileged that you're on the show right now. Shelby, Well,
thank you for having me. I do Are you excited?

Speaker 8 (01:41:07):
I'm excited because Ryan always talks about this game.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
Okay, you think you're ready for it? Now you have
a Are you gonna make him yell? Or are you
gonna yell. Oh, so this is just your little this
is your lesson on what you're supposed to do as
I do this part. And now it's time for the
most exciting segment all the radio of It's.

Speaker 6 (01:41:25):
Gone the way.

Speaker 10 (01:41:29):
Of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
All right, So next time you have to yell in
the world. Okay, you got it, now that you know
how that works, all right? What is our dad joke
of the day? Shelby? For this part you just have
to laugh or not. It's no male appear. What is
our dad joke?

Speaker 7 (01:41:42):
Yeah, I've opened a jim where the instructors would go
from door to door to tell people about the benefits
of joining it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
I've named it Jehovah's Fitness.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
Okay, Now we do word of the day where he
gives us a hard word and we guess what it means.

Speaker 8 (01:42:00):
It's not too hard.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
It's a verb.

Speaker 6 (01:42:01):
Okay. I've actually never heard it.

Speaker 13 (01:42:02):
Glows glows l o z e wait ge l o
z glows glows blows over something.

Speaker 8 (01:42:14):
I'd say, sounds like it glows over something. It's not
like the skippet or makes gloss over.

Speaker 7 (01:42:20):
To explain away, you're thinking blaze, but she just blows over.

Speaker 6 (01:42:24):
Explain something away?

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Have I never heard that word?

Speaker 8 (01:42:27):
I haven't either.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
How many trivia questions?

Speaker 10 (01:42:29):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
How many species of baboon are there in the world?
How many species? You're gonna go thirteen? This is just
where you just make them all while seven seven, I'm
gonna go one. Okay, five, so you're but prices right,
rules kick in, So yeah, there's five. You got the olive,

(01:42:51):
the yellow, the chocolma, the guinea, and the sacred. The
al of baboon is the most broadly distributed of the five.
Now there's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:42:57):
Now I'm allowed to look this up and actually look
at the different times I see.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
This is why we do the show. This is why
we do it. Shelby, Okay, now you know how to
play Jeopardy right on this show. You have to yell
your name out, Shelby, and then we'll call on you,
and then you have to answer in the form of
a question. Okay, so what is our category? The most
important part? You get negative on the wrong answer, you
get a wrong answer, you got minus one. If you
get a right answer, you get one.

Speaker 6 (01:43:19):
And it's his first time, so you have to wait
the entire question. He does not.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
This is a gift, Shelby. I'm just letting you know.
I think it's a blood sport.

Speaker 7 (01:43:28):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
You don't have to wait till the end of the question.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
I do now because go for her every time.

Speaker 7 (01:43:34):
The category is beefy teas, which means every answer starts
with a T and it's beef related. Oh god, Okay,
this hyphenated tip.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
Of meat is you gotta say your names.

Speaker 6 (01:43:48):
Okay, that's correct, and get to right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
I'm I'm loose after that. Okay, if he gets two
in a row, I'm loose after that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:55):
That's not how it works.

Speaker 7 (01:43:58):
Yes, the beef Julienne at Benny Hannah has mushrooms.

Speaker 6 (01:44:04):
In this sauce. Go that is correct.

Speaker 8 (01:44:09):
Oh God.

Speaker 6 (01:44:10):
In a taco, meat is braised this till the end
its tongue, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:44:23):
Brand traditionally uses a large steak from this area beneath
the ribs.

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
It starts with the ribs.

Speaker 6 (01:44:35):
What wait, come on? Maybe is correct?

Speaker 8 (01:44:43):
Ye?

Speaker 6 (01:44:45):
The way, that's the way, and it's a long one
starts with the tea.

Speaker 7 (01:44:50):
The honeycomb type from the second stomach chamber is considered
the best type of this meat.

Speaker 5 (01:44:58):
That is cor.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
That was extremely respectable. For your first time. Have you
ever tried it?

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:45:07):
And it just literally just completely crossed my mind. Didn't
think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
The first time I tried it. I honestly had no
idea what it actually was because I played it out there,
like do you want to order some tripe suit in
a Mexican restaurant? I was like, heck yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
I was like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
I didn't want them to think I was unsophisticated. And
then I ate it and I was like, what is this?
Oh it's stomach Oh gosh.

Speaker 8 (01:45:25):
No, Sometimes to eat of Mexican food, sometimes you have
to eat it and not know what it is and
then think about it after that.

Speaker 6 (01:45:31):
Where did you grow up?

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Milwaukee's okay, so when you grow up in the South,
you eat everything. So I've already eaten everything, so really
nothing grosses me out. But the texture of the tripe,
I was like, rie that up. It's so tasty.

Speaker 8 (01:45:47):
My grandma used to make chitlins. Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
I will eat chitlins from one grandmother that I know
only because I've watched or clean them, and so you
know they're clean. I know they're clean. Chitlins are an
acquired case, disgusting one that I will not acquire Shelby.
What's coming up on the show?

Speaker 8 (01:46:04):
Do you know?

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Or are you just into the army from us?

Speaker 8 (01:46:06):
Show up and you know sounds good, look.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
Good job, says you're KAOE Sports. Coming up next. We'll
be back tomorrow with another full show. Pretty excited about that.
Keep it ready here in the meantime on KOWE