May 27, 2025 • 14 mins
OPEN PRIMARIES COULD SAVE COLORADO And Jon Caldara writes about it here. I agree 100%. He joins me at 2:30 to chat about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A couple of you have texted and said, Hey, you
are arguing with Matt, but you don't believe Matt would
post this without the stats.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
To back it up.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I did a quick Google search this morning. The stats
that Matt is relying on here from the sixties and seventies. Well,
recent statistics have shown that the divorce rate is about
four percent higher for women who earn more money than
their husbands, not fifty percent as Matt said. So Matt
is using outdated information to make his point, and I
do think it's outdated, and I think it's most.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Men don't care.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I bet John Caldera wouldn't mind it if he had
a sugar baby taking care of him.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
If that is an offer, sweetheart, we can talk now. Hi, poodle, howdy?
What man doesn't want his woman to make considerably more
I need.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
But you know what, back in the sixties and seventies,
the male ego was maybe more fragile, and the expectations
of what men were seventeen.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
For twenty five, the desire for a man to sit.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
At home and play video games all day has grown
exponentially that can only happen if you're If you're someone's
booho kept man.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
And by the way, I am available.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You are well good.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
If any wealthy ladies out there looking for a rather sarcastic,
sometimes interesting man to day, well, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To oversee you. I want to manage expectations. John, I
don't want.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
My love life is so awful, you know. If there
are men out there.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm I'm I'm just looking for the money at this point.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Anyway, That's not why I brought John Caldera from the
Independent Institute on the show. I wanted to bring him
on to talk about his column today or yesterday in
the Denver Gazette about changing our primaries in order to
perhaps maybe someday get a less crazy person elected in Colorado.
Is that a fair way to say it?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
More than fair?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think a lot of conservatives Republicans have a hard
time facing political reality. The political reality is right now
in Colorado, an ultra progressive state with socialists in charge
of every branch of government in every large city. We've
(02:16):
got to look at a couple realities, and mainly the
reality is in swing districts. I'm not talking in the
rural areas I'm talking about Jeff Go and Rappaho and
Adams and sadly Dougcoe and al Passo. Now, Republicans are
not going to win a lot of seats, why because
(02:39):
of hatred of Donald Trump freak out over abortion, even
though that's a non issue in Colorado. But it doesn't
mean that Colorado has turned its back towards fiscal sanity.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know, I think that these.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
The amount of unaffiliated voters has now gotten right up
to the fifty percent margin, more than any other state
that I'm aware of. In Colorado could become the first
unaffiliated or independent state. And that's the reality of it.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
And we've got it. We've got to get ready for that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
You know, John, We've seen significant increases in the unaffiliated
voters since we changed to an open primary. So do
you think that that change sort of allowed people to
make their own statement when it comes to affiliating with
one party or the other, Because I think that most
unaffiliated voters fall.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Into one of two camps.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
The first is those people don't represent me because I'm
either further right or further left than the parties that
we have. Or there are people who used to be
in the parties, or normally would be in the parties,
but they're like, look in Colorado, the Colorado GOP is
an absolute dumpster fire and nationally getting better.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
By the way. I'm a big fan of Bridehorn.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think she's a stick aculate lady, full of character
and doing the right stuff. But here's here's the political reality.
And tell me if you think I'm wrong. In the
near future, the next ten, maybe twenty years, Colorado is
not going to become a anti abortion state, or an
anti weed state, or an anti gay state, or an
anti environmental state. These things are off the table. But
(04:23):
it doesn't mean that Colorado is is pro tax, pro regulation,
pro crime, or pro woke.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So what are we doing with our primaries and how,
in your view, can we fix it? So perhaps we
have better options in the general even in areas where
we know, like in Denver, our Republican is not going
to be elected mayor full stop.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know this, I know this.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So what could we do so we would have maybe
less objectionable democrats to choose from Kent theory.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
In twenty sixteen, the.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Large wealthy guy who in Politico opened up primaries to unaffiliated,
which means that people who are unaffiliated could vote for
either in the Republican or in the Democratic primary.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
People like this.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Now fifty percent of us are unaffiliated, including myself. I
live in Boulder. There is no Republican primary. There's no
reason to be registered that way. Last year he put forward,
I think a flawed initiative, and it had two components.
One was a jungle primary, where as many people who
wanted to run in the primary, could you know, five
(05:36):
Republicans twelve Democrats, doesn't matter, but the top two would
go would go to the general.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, he had it that the top four would.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Go to the general and then there'd be this weird
ranked choice voting, which I'm rather skeptical of, and apparently
so are most Coloraden's. I think the time is ripe
to have jungle primaries and the top two go to
the general election.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
What does that mean? It means in places like.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Socialistic Boulder, two Democrats will probably be on the final ballot,
which is fine by me because it's always going to
be a Democrat anyway. So we'll have our usual socialist,
but maybe we'll get a bit more moderate of a
progressive and I could find somebody I could vote for
that's better than the alternative. In Republican circles, you'd still
(06:26):
get two Republicans, but in those swing districts, finally, unaffiliated
candidates who might be anti tax, pro business, anti crime,
but very moderate on social issues could make it to
the general election and win. Why is this important Because
(06:47):
in the state legislature they could caucus with the Republicans
to make us a business friendly state again, but partner
with Democrats to protect the social aspects that Coloraden's even
though many Republicans disagree to protect those social issues.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So I think this is the future.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Why do you only want two instead of four?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Because I believe that one The political reality is Colorado's
not ready for ranked choice voting has proven last year
with the with Theories thing going down, initiative going down,
and also I don't trust ranked choice voting. I think
there's too many games that could be played. I think
(07:32):
there's some difficulties there, and the idea to save Colorado
is to get fiscally sane, unaffiliated candidates who can win
to the general where they have a real fight.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
The problem, John, and you know this as well as
I do, is that without the infrastructure of a party,
it is extremely difficult to pull together the kind of
sort of framework that candidates rely on for a campaign.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Now, I say disagree.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Do you disagree with that?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah? And here's why there would be a time when
I would.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But I'll ask you what infrastructure, what what health?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Does the Republican Party give? Now?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
The party does two things. The state party on both
sides cashes checks from the from other parties, the national
gop et cetera.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
And they run primaries.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
That's all they do, the left one Colorado because over
the last fifteen years, all the other infrastructure they farmed
out to other organizations and went around the party. Right,
The party just isn't that important. The infrastructure is important,
The vote harvesting is important, the registering is important, the
(08:51):
messaging is important. But the party, I hate to tell you,
and I say this because I've already gone through by
five stages of grief over the Colorado Republican Party dying
years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
But Grandma has passed on.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It is a new Colorado and we need a new
way to bring liberty principles to reality.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Why are you anti ranked choice voting? Because the more
I read, the more I see the outcomes. This time
in Alaska, where politicians finally got the message that they
could not, you know, run against their fellow Republican viciously,
and they had to say, look, you know, if you're
not going to vote for him, vote for me. I
love it for that very reason, and I think ranked
(09:33):
choice voting is probably the best chance that any kind
of right leaning person gets elected in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I understand your point, and I even though you're wrong,
you're still a wonderful person. Here's what I would ask
is check out something called approval voting, which does the
same thing but without nearly the same convolutions. In Alaska,
after they screwts things, Republicans did learn how to play better,
(10:02):
and somebody said, no, I'm stepping out so this guy
can win.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Do you really think.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
In the world of Dave Williams type Republicans that that's
going to happen here? My last concern with ranked choice
voting is that the left plays teams much better, particularly
in like school board races or city council races, where
the Unions will say vote Bob number one, Susie number two,
(10:27):
and Frank number three, and they fall in line a
lot better than conservatives do. And I'm concerned that over
a certain amount of time, those that it's a pro left,
pro union outcome that's going to happen, and just because
Alaska finally got it right, but it wasn't the system.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It was some of the candidates.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Keep in mind that, and well it was at San
Diego they had to yank somebody off the school board
six months after ranked choice voting because they got the
calculations wrong. Out in New York, they had to wait
weeks to find out who was the mayor and who
was on city council. It's a convoluted process. But here's
the political reality. Colorado's not ready for it yet. The
(11:12):
halfway mark is to have first the jungle primaries and
then the top two go. And then if we want
to have this conversation of maybe that top two ought
to be the top four, that might happen in future years.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But yes, but.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Very bit off a little too much. Then Colorado was
willing to chet you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And by his own admission, he has been pretty open
about the fact that he thinks they tried to do
too much with that ballot initiative. But you know, I
look at the Denver mayor's race in this last go
round and when it came down to Kelly Bruff and
Mike Johnston, I was full thronedly in the Kelly Broff
count camp and I still believe she would have been
(11:52):
a much better mayor. That being said, we still get
two Democrats, one very progressive and one sort of center Democrat.
And I don't know how that helps Republicans. So if
we just given up. And when I say Republicans, I
shouldn't say Republicans, I should say people to the right
(12:12):
of center right, because I think there's a lot of people.
Everybody says all the independents are Democrats. I don't believe
that because I am now an unaffiliated voter and a
lot of people like me are an affiliated voters.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I've dedicated my professional career for the last thirty five
years to promote the ideas of individualism and limited government.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I am an unaffiliated and because.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
That's not only has the party left me, but it
is the best way for me to be active in
I get to vote in the Democratic primary now, right,
and there is an a Republican primary where I live.
There really isn't one in Denver, And I like to
say there's a paradigm switch that's just worth chewing on
(12:57):
for folks, which is is it important that the party
win or is it important that policies get turned into reality.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
The thought that the party.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Is going to win in any substantial way in Colorado,
I think is unlikely to happen.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
In the near future, the next grade of decades.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But that doesn't mean that doesn't mean at all that
there's somebody or that the policies are unpopular. The policies
are popular. Tabor is popular, property rights are popular, Educational
choice is popular. And as businesses are going under due
(13:40):
to incredible energy problems that are going to be happening
and blackouts will be coming, as the minimum wage is
going to be destroying small businesses. As these regulations are
destroying the state, people will say, hey, listen, I'm not
a trumpet. I want to protect abortion rights, but this
has gone to far. I'm not here to help criminals
(14:02):
have a better life.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
John Caldera, and you can read his work in the
Denver Gazette or at Complete Colorado dot com, or you
can just go to the Independence Institute and have a
conversation with him. He's he's a delight and looking for
a sugar mama.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So if you have.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
By the way, I hear a female talk show hosts
really rake it in.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
As we've discussed before, I am currently not on the market.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
John not the same guy, Yeah, same one. I'm fond
of him. What can I say?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Well, you understand there's two types of people. There are
divorced people and then there are pre divorced people.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Well, I am already a divorced person, so I don't
need to do that again.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
John Caldera. Joy is always on.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And by the way, I've really been enjoying the Mandy
and dev show.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Thanks you as.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Just a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
A lot of fun on IV's YouTube channel. You can
find us there. I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
My friend,
A couple of you have texted and said, Hey, you
are arguing with Matt, but you don't believe Matt would
post this without the stats.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
To back it up.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I did a quick Google search this morning. The stats
that Matt is relying on here from the sixties and seventies. Well,
recent statistics have shown that the divorce rate is about
four percent higher for women who earn more money than
their husbands, not fifty percent as Matt said. So Matt
is using outdated information to make his point, and I
do think it's outdated, and I think it's most.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Men don't care.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I bet John Caldera wouldn't mind it if he had
a sugar baby taking care of him.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
If that is an offer, sweetheart, we can talk now. Hi, poodle, howdy?
What man doesn't want his woman to make considerably more
I need.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
But you know what, back in the sixties and seventies,
the male ego was maybe more fragile, and the expectations
of what men were seventeen.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
For twenty five, the desire for a man to sit.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
At home and play video games all day has grown
exponentially that can only happen if you're If you're someone's
booho kept man.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
And by the way, I am available.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You are well good.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
If any wealthy ladies out there looking for a rather sarcastic,
sometimes interesting man to day, well, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To oversee you. I want to manage expectations. John, I
don't want.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
My love life is so awful, you know. If there
are men out there.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm I'm I'm just looking for the money at this point.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Anyway, That's not why I brought John Caldera from the
Independent Institute on the show. I wanted to bring him
on to talk about his column today or yesterday in
the Denver Gazette about changing our primaries in order to
perhaps maybe someday get a less crazy person elected in Colorado.
Is that a fair way to say it?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
More than fair?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think a lot of conservatives Republicans have a hard
time facing political reality. The political reality is right now
in Colorado, an ultra progressive state with socialists in charge
of every branch of government in every large city. We've
(02:16):
got to look at a couple realities, and mainly the
reality is in swing districts. I'm not talking in the
rural areas I'm talking about Jeff Go and Rappaho and
Adams and sadly Dougcoe and al Passo. Now, Republicans are
not going to win a lot of seats, why because
(02:39):
of hatred of Donald Trump freak out over abortion, even
though that's a non issue in Colorado. But it doesn't
mean that Colorado has turned its back towards fiscal sanity.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know, I think that these.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
The amount of unaffiliated voters has now gotten right up
to the fifty percent margin, more than any other state
that I'm aware of. In Colorado could become the first
unaffiliated or independent state. And that's the reality of it.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
And we've got it. We've got to get ready for that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
You know, John, We've seen significant increases in the unaffiliated
voters since we changed to an open primary. So do
you think that that change sort of allowed people to
make their own statement when it comes to affiliating with
one party or the other, Because I think that most
unaffiliated voters fall.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Into one of two camps.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
The first is those people don't represent me because I'm
either further right or further left than the parties that
we have. Or there are people who used to be
in the parties, or normally would be in the parties,
but they're like, look in Colorado, the Colorado GOP is
an absolute dumpster fire and nationally getting better.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
By the way. I'm a big fan of Bridehorn.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think she's a stick aculate lady, full of character
and doing the right stuff. But here's here's the political reality.
And tell me if you think I'm wrong. In the
near future, the next ten, maybe twenty years, Colorado is
not going to become a anti abortion state, or an
anti weed state, or an anti gay state, or an
anti environmental state. These things are off the table. But
(04:23):
it doesn't mean that Colorado is is pro tax, pro regulation,
pro crime, or pro woke.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So what are we doing with our primaries and how,
in your view, can we fix it? So perhaps we
have better options in the general even in areas where
we know, like in Denver, our Republican is not going
to be elected mayor full stop.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know this, I know this.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So what could we do so we would have maybe
less objectionable democrats to choose from Kent theory.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
In twenty sixteen, the.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Large wealthy guy who in Politico opened up primaries to unaffiliated,
which means that people who are unaffiliated could vote for
either in the Republican or in the Democratic primary.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
People like this.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Now fifty percent of us are unaffiliated, including myself. I
live in Boulder. There is no Republican primary. There's no
reason to be registered that way. Last year he put forward,
I think a flawed initiative, and it had two components.
One was a jungle primary, where as many people who
wanted to run in the primary, could you know, five
(05:36):
Republicans twelve Democrats, doesn't matter, but the top two would
go would go to the general.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, he had it that the top four would.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Go to the general and then there'd be this weird
ranked choice voting, which I'm rather skeptical of, and apparently
so are most Coloraden's. I think the time is ripe
to have jungle primaries and the top two go to
the general election.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
What does that mean? It means in places like.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Socialistic Boulder, two Democrats will probably be on the final ballot,
which is fine by me because it's always going to
be a Democrat anyway. So we'll have our usual socialist,
but maybe we'll get a bit more moderate of a
progressive and I could find somebody I could vote for
that's better than the alternative. In Republican circles, you'd still
(06:26):
get two Republicans, but in those swing districts, finally, unaffiliated
candidates who might be anti tax, pro business, anti crime,
but very moderate on social issues could make it to
the general election and win. Why is this important Because
(06:47):
in the state legislature they could caucus with the Republicans
to make us a business friendly state again, but partner
with Democrats to protect the social aspects that Coloraden's even
though many Republicans disagree to protect those social issues.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So I think this is the future.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Why do you only want two instead of four?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Because I believe that one The political reality is Colorado's
not ready for ranked choice voting has proven last year
with the with Theories thing going down, initiative going down,
and also I don't trust ranked choice voting. I think
there's too many games that could be played. I think
(07:32):
there's some difficulties there, and the idea to save Colorado
is to get fiscally sane, unaffiliated candidates who can win
to the general where they have a real fight.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
The problem, John, and you know this as well as
I do, is that without the infrastructure of a party,
it is extremely difficult to pull together the kind of
sort of framework that candidates rely on for a campaign.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Now, I say disagree.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Do you disagree with that?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah? And here's why there would be a time when
I would.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But I'll ask you what infrastructure, what what health?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Does the Republican Party give? Now?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
The party does two things. The state party on both
sides cashes checks from the from other parties, the national
gop et cetera.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
And they run primaries.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
That's all they do, the left one Colorado because over
the last fifteen years, all the other infrastructure they farmed
out to other organizations and went around the party. Right,
The party just isn't that important. The infrastructure is important,
The vote harvesting is important, the registering is important, the
(08:51):
messaging is important. But the party, I hate to tell you,
and I say this because I've already gone through by
five stages of grief over the Colorado Republican Party dying
years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
But Grandma has passed on.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
It is a new Colorado and we need a new
way to bring liberty principles to reality.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Why are you anti ranked choice voting? Because the more
I read, the more I see the outcomes. This time
in Alaska, where politicians finally got the message that they
could not, you know, run against their fellow Republican viciously,
and they had to say, look, you know, if you're
not going to vote for him, vote for me. I
love it for that very reason, and I think ranked
(09:33):
choice voting is probably the best chance that any kind
of right leaning person gets elected in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I understand your point, and I even though you're wrong,
you're still a wonderful person. Here's what I would ask
is check out something called approval voting, which does the
same thing but without nearly the same convolutions. In Alaska,
after they screwts things, Republicans did learn how to play better,
(10:02):
and somebody said, no, I'm stepping out so this guy
can win.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Do you really think.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
In the world of Dave Williams type Republicans that that's
going to happen here? My last concern with ranked choice
voting is that the left plays teams much better, particularly
in like school board races or city council races, where
the Unions will say vote Bob number one, Susie number two,
(10:27):
and Frank number three, and they fall in line a
lot better than conservatives do. And I'm concerned that over
a certain amount of time, those that it's a pro left,
pro union outcome that's going to happen, and just because
Alaska finally got it right, but it wasn't the system.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It was some of the candidates.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Keep in mind that, and well it was at San
Diego they had to yank somebody off the school board
six months after ranked choice voting because they got the
calculations wrong. Out in New York, they had to wait
weeks to find out who was the mayor and who
was on city council. It's a convoluted process. But here's
the political reality. Colorado's not ready for it yet. The
(11:12):
halfway mark is to have first the jungle primaries and
then the top two go. And then if we want
to have this conversation of maybe that top two ought
to be the top four, that might happen in future years.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But yes, but.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Very bit off a little too much. Then Colorado was
willing to chet you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And by his own admission, he has been pretty open
about the fact that he thinks they tried to do
too much with that ballot initiative. But you know, I
look at the Denver mayor's race in this last go
round and when it came down to Kelly Bruff and
Mike Johnston, I was full thronedly in the Kelly Broff
count camp and I still believe she would have been
(11:52):
a much better mayor. That being said, we still get
two Democrats, one very progressive and one sort of center Democrat.
And I don't know how that helps Republicans. So if
we just given up. And when I say Republicans, I
shouldn't say Republicans, I should say people to the right
(12:12):
of center right, because I think there's a lot of people.
Everybody says all the independents are Democrats. I don't believe
that because I am now an unaffiliated voter and a
lot of people like me are an affiliated voters.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I've dedicated my professional career for the last thirty five
years to promote the ideas of individualism and limited government.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I am an unaffiliated and because.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
That's not only has the party left me, but it
is the best way for me to be active in
I get to vote in the Democratic primary now, right,
and there is an a Republican primary where I live.
There really isn't one in Denver, And I like to
say there's a paradigm switch that's just worth chewing on
(12:57):
for folks, which is is it important that the party
win or is it important that policies get turned into reality.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
The thought that the party.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Is going to win in any substantial way in Colorado,
I think is unlikely to happen.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
In the near future, the next grade of decades.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
But that doesn't mean that doesn't mean at all that
there's somebody or that the policies are unpopular. The policies
are popular. Tabor is popular, property rights are popular, Educational
choice is popular. And as businesses are going under due
(13:40):
to incredible energy problems that are going to be happening
and blackouts will be coming, as the minimum wage is
going to be destroying small businesses. As these regulations are
destroying the state, people will say, hey, listen, I'm not
a trumpet. I want to protect abortion rights, but this
has gone to far. I'm not here to help criminals
(14:02):
have a better life.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
John Caldera, and you can read his work in the
Denver Gazette or at Complete Colorado dot com, or you
can just go to the Independence Institute and have a
conversation with him. He's he's a delight and looking for
a sugar mama.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So if you have.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
By the way, I hear a female talk show hosts
really rake it in.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
As we've discussed before, I am currently not on the market.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
John not the same guy, Yeah, same one. I'm fond
of him. What can I say?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Well, you understand there's two types of people. There are
divorced people and then there are pre divorced people.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Well, I am already a divorced person, so I don't
need to do that again.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
John Caldera. Joy is always on.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And by the way, I've really been enjoying the Mandy
and dev show.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Thanks you as.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Just a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
A lot of fun on IV's YouTube channel. You can
find us there. I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
My friend,
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