GAYS AGAINST GROOMERS IS STILL FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT And I've got Rich Guggenheim on with an update since the passage of SB25-1213 made Colorado a hotspot of trans affirmation. He's on at 1pm. We can talk about how a group made entirely of LGBTQ people has been named "Anti-LGBTQ" by the hate group SPLC.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you've listened to the show for any length of time,
you know I am a big fan of the organization
Gay's Against Groomers, and an even bigger fan of the
guy who runs around Colorado talking about it. That's Rich Googenhei,
I'm joining me now, Hello, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, Henny, how are you well?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm good, But I don't know if I can continue
this conversation now that the Southern Poverty Law Center has
named your organization made entirely of lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and
gay men anti gay in their latest hate map.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
How do you feel about that? Rich?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh? Well, if they want to go ahead and discredit
themselves with that type of calling gay people anti gay,
then let them go ahead and do it. I mean,
it just destroys your own argument. It's kind of like
when our favorite Heidi beatle Over at the Colorado Times
Recorder did a newspaper article on me saying that I
was anti dragon. Our organization is anti dragon. Then put
a picture of me and Dragon the paper.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, yeah, I bet you were cute.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Did you have the beard then, or were you going
like there, you know is clean shaven for that?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I was trying to go clean shaven because have you
ever tried getting glitter out of carpet? Just imagine towing
it out in your beard.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Generally speaking, I bamed glitter from any part of my household.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
What is gays against groomer's up to?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Now?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I know you guys were heavily in the fight for
SB twenty five, twelve thirteen. That of course passed with
flying colors, and then the governor signed it very quietly
on a Friday afternoon. What is next? What is happening
with that bill? And by the way, thank you for
all you did. And I'm deeply sorry that the Democrats
couldn't need to be bothered to pay attention to the
testimony of people who came out against it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know, well, as much as it is a disappointment
that that bill passed, it wasn't a surprise. You know.
I have to say when you heard people like Lorena
Garcia talk about how it was quote well stakeholded, I
just want to say that a well stakeholded bill does
(01:58):
not have over one hundred thousand phone calls and emails
sent to the Senate alone opposing the bill. You do
not have a new record of seven hundred and ten
people showing up to testify on it with over five
hundred people opposing that bill, and you don't have thirteen
(02:19):
amendments to a bill that's not indicative of a bill
that is well stakeholded. I agree, so you know it
is what it is. It passed, and then I like
to tell people in the process of this, there were
four Democrats that flipped, so that was good. There are
some common sense Democrats here who understand that this is
going to be extensive to the state because it's already
(02:41):
being challenged in courts and it's going to continue to
be challenged in courts. You know, I just want to
say it's not anti trance to say you're free to
believe whatever you want to believe in, but you are
not free to impose those beliefs on other people and.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Then compel them to say vocally that they believe them.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And that's really what this bill does.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I do know that Jennifer Say and xxxy Sports has
filed suit because they are making the argument and I
think rightly so to the point you just made that
their ability to advertise their product, which is a product
that celebrates and tries to protect girls sports, is now
potentially going to run a foul of this law in
(03:26):
the sense that they can't run the advertising they've been
running because it calls biological boys biological boys. And in Colorado,
that's now something that can bring you up before the
Civil Rights Commission.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, and there's other lawsuits that have been filed also
by other organizations that I'm aware of, some involving doctors,
because now it also forces doctors to practice in a
way that they say violates their hippocratic oath. And so
there's that piece of it. There are teachers and their parents,
and there are pastors that are going to be impacted
by this and filing lawsuits against the state for this. Well.
(04:00):
And the reality is, Mandy, we need bills like this
to be passed so that there can be cases of
harm and damage caused, so that they can sue and
they can be challenged. And it's going to take going
to the Supreme Court to overturn this and set legal
precedent across the nation to invalidate this agenda and this
(04:23):
radical ideology that is an infringement on our First Amendment.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
The saddest thing about this rich is that and I
don't know if you would disagree with this. It is
going to take some massive judgments against doctors and hospital
chains that have done this care by a young person
who was swept into gender affirmation only to regret it later.
It's the only way this is going to change is
(04:48):
if there are enough judgments against the people that.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Are doing this. Because you know as well as I do.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I looked up this morning the American Medical Association just
to see if they had changed their stance in light
of all the new information that has come out since
the cast review and this new review that was just
released by Secretary Kennedy. But they're still all in. And
I think to myself, well, of course they are. They
have a profit motive, and I hate to think that way,
but I do believe.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That I do too. I think this is the new
gravy train for the pharmaceutical and the medical industries since
they've had their opioate gravy train disrupted.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, I mean those two things together, you're like good gravy.
And I'm not anti pharmaceutical, but the pharmaceutical companies in
the last twenty five years have rolled out enough drugs
that they knew were bad and they sold them anyway,
knowing that at the end of it, they would have
to pay a few lawsuits and maybe pay a fine,
But they made a fortune from these drugs in the
(05:46):
first place. And I hate to think that that's what's
driving this, but I also think that's what's driving this.
What's next for you guys at gays against groomers?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh mean, so we're actually I'm working with protect kids, Calorie,
and then say on about initiatives that is going to
make fairness and equality in girls sports a ballid issue
for the twenty twenty six ballots. So that's happening well.
Is already being challenged by our favorite transwrights after this
(06:18):
groups in Colorado saying that it's anti trans And the
reality is transgender people already have equal protections, but we're
going to challenge your privilege. And girls deserve the right,
and they have the right to equal playing fields, and
they have the right to safety and privacy in their
(06:40):
private spaces. And you're not going to use the false
premise of equality and rights to take away rights from women.
And at the end of the day, that's what this
is about, is ensuring that girls have opportunities on the
field that later translate into opportunity academically and scholarships that
(07:04):
allow them to go on to college, classroom opportunities that
translate into economic opportunities through job of advancement. And who
would have ever thought that we would be living in
a day or the only thing it takes two strict
women of the rights is for a man to put
on address.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I'm going to take it one step further. And I
talked about this yesterday. I saw Aaron Lee, who I
know you know very well. Aaron posted on x about
the fact that in Colorado a trans man can now
get plastic surgery paid for by their insurance company.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
But I cannot.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
If I want to have a boob job, I have
to pay for it myself. But if a man decides
that he's a woman in order to make him feel
better mentally, because nothing says you have to have breast
to be a woman, right, I know lots of flat
chested women. I know women who've had double misseectomies and
chosen not to do reconstruction. They are no less woman
than any woman who does have boobs. So boobs are
not necessary to be counted as a woman. And yet
(08:01):
now insurance companies are going to be forced to pay
for the boob jobs of men who've decided that they're
with in and I can't get that same coverage.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
How is that? How is that equal protection?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And I'm genuinely thinking about suing the state of Colorado
if I can find a lawyer to take the case,
just for snarky pr to do it, because it's simply
not fair.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Talk about privilege.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It is, and that's exactly what we need to start
challenging with this ideology is the privilege behind it. But
I'll just say this, what does it even mean to
be transgender? Like? What is the criterion for you to
actually be transgender or intersex or a non binary? Just
say that you're something and then all of a sudden
it makes it truth. So I guess technically, to the
(08:41):
women out there, if you're looking to get a boob
job or lip or hip or anything like that, just
say you're non binary or make something up, because that's
what it all is. And just say that and go
to your doctor and say no, I identify as whatever, and
then make insurance pay for it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Well, now that someone can change their gender three times
on a Colorado driver's license, I'm thinking about going and
changing my gender to male and then calling my insurance
company and saying, now, I'm a male, but I'm actually
a trans woman, and I'm going to need a boob job.
And while we're at it, can I get rid of
my mom gut which is actually a dad gut? Now
I want to go ahead and get rid of that too,
so I feel more feminine.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That's going to be my strategy.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But unfortunately, I'm an upstanding person and not a horrible person,
and my conscience will not allow me to pull such
cha canery.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Even though I really want to.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'd rather challenge it on the on the merits of
how bad it is. But Rich, this is driving me crazy.
And you're a dude, right, You're a gay man, but
you're a dude. This is like the perfect example of
men getting whatever they want and women just being told
to sit down and shut up. And I'm so over
it right now, I'm so over it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, let's look at this from the other perspective of it,
because we're hitting the head of the nail right on
the head with a massage, but we're also convincing a
whole entire generation of young women that there's something fundamentally
wrong with them, and they're uncomfortable with the way they look,
and so that must mean that they were born the
wrong body, and then therefore the solution is to remove
everything about them that makes them a woman. So it
(10:06):
is it is literally erasing women by telling young women,
you're born in the wrong body and you're really a man,
go ahead and do all of the stuff to yourself.
Mutilate yourself, sterilize yourself, disfigure yourself, and become a man.
And that's something that you can ever actually do. So
it's just it's another form of misogyny, which is the
foundation of the whole trands righting movement.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Amen to that, my friend, Amen to that. Will keep
you posted on what's going on, Rich because I do think,
and here's the bad part about this, I do think
that people are starting to wake up and say, wait
a minute. You know, we cannot let this tiny, mentally
unstable population decide the rules. We simply cannot. I actually
(10:48):
just read a fantastic book and I'm speaking to the
author when I get back from Korea and Japan, and
it's called The Sin of Empathy, and in it he
makes the point that we should not be telling people
that they can change gender which is physically impossible. Your
DNA will be the same. We should be supporting them
and working their way through whatever dysphoria that they have.
But if you don't immediately support someone, then you're guilty
(11:10):
of not being compassionate enough, and people don't want to
be seen that way. I think the tide is turning,
and I wanted to ask you, are you seeing negative
feelings or blowback coming towards gay people overall because of
all this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I think in some ways that is happening. I was
excited to see that they finally had a new record.
Quite frankly, that was mind blowing to me. Of people
to testify against the people have to stay engaged, they
have to stay fighting. You've got to show up to
your school board meetings, You've got to go to your
county commissions. It's a Pride month, show up to that stuff.
My goodness, Let's make sure that we are not exposing
(11:47):
children to the sexual content that is meant for adults
at Pride in contact your city, county and communities and
say this isn't going to happen. This isn't going to
happen in my part, this isn't going to happen in
my library. But at the same time, I want people
to unders fan that by and large, the tqi A
plus community are just heterosexual people with kinks for mental
disorders or fetishes, and it has absolutely nothing to do
(12:10):
with same sex attraction.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I will leave it on that Rich Guggenheim from Gays
against Groomer's Colorado division.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I appreciate you. I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Thanks Andy, right weekend, you too.
If you've listened to the show for any length of time,
you know I am a big fan of the organization
Gay's Against Groomers, and an even bigger fan of the
guy who runs around Colorado talking about it. That's Rich Googenhei,
I'm joining me now, Hello, my friend.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, Henny, how are you well?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm good, But I don't know if I can continue
this conversation now that the Southern Poverty Law Center has
named your organization made entirely of lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and
gay men anti gay in their latest hate map.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
How do you feel about that? Rich?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh? Well, if they want to go ahead and discredit
themselves with that type of calling gay people anti gay,
then let them go ahead and do it. I mean,
it just destroys your own argument. It's kind of like
when our favorite Heidi beatle Over at the Colorado Times
Recorder did a newspaper article on me saying that I
was anti dragon. Our organization is anti dragon. Then put
a picture of me and Dragon the paper.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, yeah, I bet you were cute.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Did you have the beard then, or were you going
like there, you know is clean shaven for that?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I was trying to go clean shaven because have you
ever tried getting glitter out of carpet? Just imagine towing
it out in your beard.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Generally speaking, I bamed glitter from any part of my household.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
What is gays against groomer's up to?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Now?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I know you guys were heavily in the fight for
SB twenty five, twelve thirteen. That of course passed with
flying colors, and then the governor signed it very quietly
on a Friday afternoon. What is next? What is happening
with that bill? And by the way, thank you for
all you did. And I'm deeply sorry that the Democrats
couldn't need to be bothered to pay attention to the
testimony of people who came out against it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know, well, as much as it is a disappointment
that that bill passed, it wasn't a surprise. You know.
I have to say when you heard people like Lorena
Garcia talk about how it was quote well stakeholded, I
just want to say that a well stakeholded bill does
(01:58):
not have over one hundred thousand phone calls and emails
sent to the Senate alone opposing the bill. You do
not have a new record of seven hundred and ten
people showing up to testify on it with over five
hundred people opposing that bill, and you don't have thirteen
(02:19):
amendments to a bill that's not indicative of a bill
that is well stakeholded. I agree, so you know it
is what it is. It passed, and then I like
to tell people in the process of this, there were
four Democrats that flipped, so that was good. There are
some common sense Democrats here who understand that this is
going to be extensive to the state because it's already
(02:41):
being challenged in courts and it's going to continue to
be challenged in courts. You know, I just want to
say it's not anti trance to say you're free to
believe whatever you want to believe in, but you are
not free to impose those beliefs on other people and.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Then compel them to say vocally that they believe them.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And that's really what this bill does.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I do know that Jennifer Say and xxxy Sports has
filed suit because they are making the argument and I
think rightly so to the point you just made that
their ability to advertise their product, which is a product
that celebrates and tries to protect girls sports, is now
potentially going to run a foul of this law in
(03:26):
the sense that they can't run the advertising they've been
running because it calls biological boys biological boys. And in Colorado,
that's now something that can bring you up before the
Civil Rights Commission.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, and there's other lawsuits that have been filed also
by other organizations that I'm aware of, some involving doctors,
because now it also forces doctors to practice in a
way that they say violates their hippocratic oath. And so
there's that piece of it. There are teachers and their parents,
and there are pastors that are going to be impacted
by this and filing lawsuits against the state for this. Well.
(04:00):
And the reality is, Mandy, we need bills like this
to be passed so that there can be cases of
harm and damage caused, so that they can sue and
they can be challenged. And it's going to take going
to the Supreme Court to overturn this and set legal
precedent across the nation to invalidate this agenda and this
(04:23):
radical ideology that is an infringement on our First Amendment.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
The saddest thing about this rich is that and I
don't know if you would disagree with this. It is
going to take some massive judgments against doctors and hospital
chains that have done this care by a young person
who was swept into gender affirmation only to regret it later.
It's the only way this is going to change is
(04:48):
if there are enough judgments against the people that.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Are doing this. Because you know as well as I do.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I looked up this morning the American Medical Association just
to see if they had changed their stance in light
of all the new information that has come out since
the cast review and this new review that was just
released by Secretary Kennedy. But they're still all in. And
I think to myself, well, of course they are. They
have a profit motive, and I hate to think that way,
but I do believe.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That I do too. I think this is the new
gravy train for the pharmaceutical and the medical industries since
they've had their opioate gravy train disrupted.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, I mean those two things together, you're like good gravy.
And I'm not anti pharmaceutical, but the pharmaceutical companies in
the last twenty five years have rolled out enough drugs
that they knew were bad and they sold them anyway,
knowing that at the end of it, they would have
to pay a few lawsuits and maybe pay a fine,
But they made a fortune from these drugs in the
(05:46):
first place. And I hate to think that that's what's
driving this, but I also think that's what's driving this.
What's next for you guys at gays against groomers?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh mean, so we're actually I'm working with protect kids, Calorie,
and then say on about initiatives that is going to
make fairness and equality in girls sports a ballid issue
for the twenty twenty six ballots. So that's happening well.
Is already being challenged by our favorite transwrights after this
(06:18):
groups in Colorado saying that it's anti trans And the
reality is transgender people already have equal protections, but we're
going to challenge your privilege. And girls deserve the right,
and they have the right to equal playing fields, and
they have the right to safety and privacy in their
(06:40):
private spaces. And you're not going to use the false
premise of equality and rights to take away rights from women.
And at the end of the day, that's what this
is about, is ensuring that girls have opportunities on the
field that later translate into opportunity academically and scholarships that
(07:04):
allow them to go on to college, classroom opportunities that
translate into economic opportunities through job of advancement. And who
would have ever thought that we would be living in
a day or the only thing it takes two strict
women of the rights is for a man to put
on address.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I'm going to take it one step further. And I
talked about this yesterday. I saw Aaron Lee, who I
know you know very well. Aaron posted on x about
the fact that in Colorado a trans man can now
get plastic surgery paid for by their insurance company.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
But I cannot.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
If I want to have a boob job, I have
to pay for it myself. But if a man decides
that he's a woman in order to make him feel
better mentally, because nothing says you have to have breast
to be a woman, right, I know lots of flat
chested women. I know women who've had double misseectomies and
chosen not to do reconstruction. They are no less woman
than any woman who does have boobs. So boobs are
not necessary to be counted as a woman. And yet
(08:01):
now insurance companies are going to be forced to pay
for the boob jobs of men who've decided that they're
with in and I can't get that same coverage.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
How is that? How is that equal protection?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And I'm genuinely thinking about suing the state of Colorado
if I can find a lawyer to take the case,
just for snarky pr to do it, because it's simply
not fair.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Talk about privilege.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It is, and that's exactly what we need to start
challenging with this ideology is the privilege behind it. But
I'll just say this, what does it even mean to
be transgender? Like? What is the criterion for you to
actually be transgender or intersex or a non binary? Just
say that you're something and then all of a sudden
it makes it truth. So I guess technically, to the
(08:41):
women out there, if you're looking to get a boob
job or lip or hip or anything like that, just
say you're non binary or make something up, because that's
what it all is. And just say that and go
to your doctor and say no, I identify as whatever, and
then make insurance pay for it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Well, now that someone can change their gender three times
on a Colorado driver's license, I'm thinking about going and
changing my gender to male and then calling my insurance
company and saying, now, I'm a male, but I'm actually
a trans woman, and I'm going to need a boob job.
And while we're at it, can I get rid of
my mom gut which is actually a dad gut? Now
I want to go ahead and get rid of that too,
so I feel more feminine.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That's going to be my strategy.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But unfortunately, I'm an upstanding person and not a horrible person,
and my conscience will not allow me to pull such
cha canery.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Even though I really want to.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'd rather challenge it on the on the merits of
how bad it is. But Rich, this is driving me crazy.
And you're a dude, right, You're a gay man, but
you're a dude. This is like the perfect example of
men getting whatever they want and women just being told
to sit down and shut up. And I'm so over
it right now, I'm so over it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, let's look at this from the other perspective of it,
because we're hitting the head of the nail right on
the head with a massage, but we're also convincing a
whole entire generation of young women that there's something fundamentally
wrong with them, and they're uncomfortable with the way they look,
and so that must mean that they were born the
wrong body, and then therefore the solution is to remove
everything about them that makes them a woman. So it
(10:06):
is it is literally erasing women by telling young women,
you're born in the wrong body and you're really a man,
go ahead and do all of the stuff to yourself.
Mutilate yourself, sterilize yourself, disfigure yourself, and become a man.
And that's something that you can ever actually do. So
it's just it's another form of misogyny, which is the
foundation of the whole trands righting movement.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Amen to that, my friend, Amen to that. Will keep
you posted on what's going on, Rich because I do think,
and here's the bad part about this, I do think
that people are starting to wake up and say, wait
a minute. You know, we cannot let this tiny, mentally
unstable population decide the rules. We simply cannot. I actually
(10:48):
just read a fantastic book and I'm speaking to the
author when I get back from Korea and Japan, and
it's called The Sin of Empathy, and in it he
makes the point that we should not be telling people
that they can change gender which is physically impossible. Your
DNA will be the same. We should be supporting them
and working their way through whatever dysphoria that they have.
But if you don't immediately support someone, then you're guilty
(11:10):
of not being compassionate enough, and people don't want to
be seen that way. I think the tide is turning,
and I wanted to ask you, are you seeing negative
feelings or blowback coming towards gay people overall because of
all this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I think in some ways that is happening. I was
excited to see that they finally had a new record.
Quite frankly, that was mind blowing to me. Of people
to testify against the people have to stay engaged, they
have to stay fighting. You've got to show up to
your school board meetings, You've got to go to your
county commissions. It's a Pride month, show up to that stuff.
My goodness, Let's make sure that we are not exposing
(11:47):
children to the sexual content that is meant for adults
at Pride in contact your city, county and communities and
say this isn't going to happen. This isn't going to
happen in my part, this isn't going to happen in
my library. But at the same time, I want people
to unders fan that by and large, the tqi A
plus community are just heterosexual people with kinks for mental
disorders or fetishes, and it has absolutely nothing to do
(12:10):
with same sex attraction.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I will leave it on that Rich Guggenheim from Gays
against Groomer's Colorado division.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I appreciate you. I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Thanks Andy, right weekend, you too.
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