05-30-25 FULL SHOW - Gen Z Finds God, And The Truth About Wealth Inequality

Mandy talks to associate editor of City journal. John Hirschauer about Gen Z going back to church, David Waldenstrom about the truth about wealth inequality & what life is like in Sweden compared to the United States, And Natalie Daniels about being dropped by her running club for saying that me.

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Right, Welcome to Friday, everybody.

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him A Rod is here with me as well.

Speaker 6 (00:56):
Hey man, Dyna Rodd.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Are you monitoring the Musk news conference right now?

Speaker 6 (01:00):
What's up with Elon's right eye?

Speaker 7 (01:02):
Did someone slug.

Speaker 6 (01:03):
Him in the eye? Maybe X?

Speaker 5 (01:05):
I don't know, Andy, I didn't even know he was
having a press conference, which is funny because if he's
having a press conference right now, Oh, I guess Donald
Trump is talking about Elon.

Speaker 8 (01:15):
Do you want to hear it?

Speaker 7 (01:16):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:16):
Sure, bring it up, bring.

Speaker 9 (01:17):
It up, back and forth.

Speaker 10 (01:18):
I think I have a feeling it's it's his baby,
and I think he's.

Speaker 9 (01:22):
Going to be doing a lot of things.

Speaker 10 (01:23):
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he does look like he got die the most innovative
car at the light of the world. That you look
at his factories and some of the old factories we have.

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Yeah, it's a big difference.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Is this just.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Axtend off for Elon as he as he takes his
leave because after announcing he was stepping back from doge,
which was the plan all along. There are so many
people and Democratic politicians are beclowning themselves right now by
saying things like.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Finally we got the right thing out of Washington. He's
fired and.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
I'm like, no, no one's firing him. So I think
this is just about that. I believe, and this is
just my wild guests, I have nothing absolute on this
at all.

Speaker 6 (02:07):
I think Elon.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
Musk, like Donald Trump was the first go round, was
shocked and dismayed to find out that people in Washington,
d C. Really aren't serious about cutting spending. I realize
you're shocked, right, shocked, shocked, shocked.

Speaker 7 (02:23):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
All of the young men, and we talked about this
a little bit yesterday as we talked about the Democratic
Party losing young men. A lot of the young men
who flocked to Donald Trump and the Republican Party are
expressing a great deal of displeasure on places like X
that no real spending cuts at all have been codified,
and the big beautiful Bill just continues all of the

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Biden near spending.

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You weren't really clear yesterday about how to get to
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Are you saying you could have done better?

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Ladies and germs, Ladies and germs, Yes, Mandy, how do
you get to the blog.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Just you guys are absolutely killing me. Anyway.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
Anyway, Mandy is a special government employee, was limited to
one hundred and thirty days per fiscal year. Any longer
would be a violation. Also, the president would need to
be advertised in the hiring, would have to be competitive.
I just think that it's all of these things. I
just think that he has recognized that no one in
DC is serious about cutting spending, no one. And the

(07:47):
fact that all of these Republicans, many of whom I like,
voted for this big, garbage quote beautiful bill is shameful,
absolutely shameful because they didn't get one Democratic vote in
the House. So why is all the Democratics spending in there?
Why is it in there? So you know, Anyway, today

(08:08):
I've got three really interesting guest scheduled. I'm very excited about.
The first one is the associate editor John Hirschhauer from
City Journal.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
City Journal is a fantastic publication.

Speaker 8 (08:18):
It is a.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Quarterly magazine and it's online and it's done by the
Manhattan Institute in New York. They are a free, free
market and free policy think tank. So he had a
story that was super interesting about gen Z the younger kids.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
You know, my daughter is a gen Zer.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
And the fact that even as they are depressed and
anxious and having all of these difficulties, they are rebelling
in a really unique and special way. They're rebelling by
finding God. And I have a whole bunch of theories
about this, and I can't wait. John's got a lot
of data about it in this article he did, But
I have speculation as to why this is happening. And

(08:57):
I say this kind of stuff all the time. If
you are the most rock ribbed conservative, there's a really
good chance that at least one of your kids is
going to come out of screaming liberal because kids are
going to rebel against their parents in some way, right,
It's just it's natural. And so I always tell my

(09:19):
superliberal friends, I'm like, I can't wait to welcome your
son or daughter to the Republican Party. And they get
so mad, so so mad. But some of these kids
are not making it political. They are making it spiritually,
and they're finding their way back to church.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
The long slide in the.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Number of Americans that identify as Christians has finally seemed
to stop over the last few years, and now is
on the uptick and I think this is wonderful. I
think if you can find God as an active rebellion
boy with the benefits all the way around, right. So
we'll talk to John at twelve thirty about that. At
one o'clock, I've got a real smarty pants coming on

(09:58):
the show. Daniel Waldenstrom is a professor of economics the
Research Institute of Industrial Economics in Stockholm, Sweden. He's also
connected to the Paris School of Economics and UCLA and
he does work on wealth inequality and he's coming on
today about to talk about some of his work. As

(10:18):
of late, he's got a new book out called Richer
and More Equal, a History of Wealth in the West,
and we're going to talk to him about the reality
of wealth inequality. Now, if you listen to Bernie Sanders,
you would think that anyone who has a lot of
money has only made that money by picking the pockets
of people in poverty, forcing them either even further down.

(10:38):
It's a very compelling message because it hits people at
one of the most powerful emotions, and that is envy.
And if you can get enough people thinking that, you know,
the rich are evil and a lot of people do
believe that. And I just had a really I think
interesting conversation with my son and daughter in law, and

(11:00):
they are they're young millennials. They are of the generation
where they really want to make a difference in this world.
And my daughter in law has a slightly anti capitalistic viewpoint,
not like a socialist, but she doesn't like big corporations.
She really tries to support local business, which I think
is fantastic, but in doing so she kind of has
this anti capitalist sort of vibe, not blatant. And I

(11:23):
said to her, I said, look, you know, money in
and of.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Itself is not good or evil.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
It is only a tool, right, And if you work
really hard and you accumulate a lot of money, it.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Allows you to do a lot of good.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Some of my favorite people who are also extremely successful
in business and have accumulated a lot of wealth over
their lifetimes, their favorite thing to do is give away
money to the causes that they hold near and dear.
And they're funding causes like early stage research in cancer
and other diseases. And they're funding you know, homes for

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unwed mothers and their children, to stop abortion, all of
these things. Capitalism in itself is not bad. And by
the way, the old saying is money is the root
of all evil is not quite accurate. It is the
love of money is the root of all evil. And
that first part is super important. So he's coming on
at one o'clock to talk about wealth inequality and how

(12:17):
we sort of have this view, some have this view
in society that it's us against them, when nothing could
be further from the truth. Now, coming up at two thirty,
we're going to talk to Natalie Daniels. I'm already impressed
with this woman and I've never met her. She ran
the Boston Marathon in two hours, fifty minutes and four seconds. Okay,

(12:40):
what makes it even more impressive is she had a
baby six months prior. But when she after she ran
the race, her running club that if she had belonged
to for a very long time asked her to resign.

Speaker 6 (12:53):
What was her crime?

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Her crime was saying that the Boston Marathon should not
let men run in the women's desise division just because
they say they're women. And that was absolutely the worst
thing ever. And so now she has teamed up with
Jennifer Say's Xxxy sportswear company to create a running club
just for women.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
We're going to talk to her at two thirty.

Speaker 8 (13:16):
Now.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
I am so excited about this next story and that
it may not seem like a big deal to you.
I love the fact that people are finally people who
maybe other people will listen to, because I've been talking
about Jeffco Superintendent Tracy Dorlin for so long now. Jeffco,
the entire school district is a hotbed of incompetence and

(13:39):
a hotbed of teachers and support staff and administrators engaging
or at least being accused of engaging in the predation
of children. I mean, they're you know, they've had more
than their share of sex crimes in the last few years.
And Tracy Dorlin, instead of slamming the door open to

(13:59):
make sure that the parents in the district had full
transparency about every single one of these investigations, she has
not just slammed the door shut, she has barred the
door and essentially said to parents, you can go pound sand.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
Let me just put it to you this way.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
When jeff Co kids or when the oh my gosh,
I cannot remember Aaron Lee's organization, what are the parental
organizations in jeff Co? And forgive me for not remembering
when they released the data that they found that there
were I think twenty six. Now we're up to twenty
six crimes that involve some sort of jeff Co employee

(14:36):
and crimes against children. The Jeffco School District was like,
we'd like to see your notes. They got them from
the jeff Co School District, who apparently has no idea
what's in their own files, No clue, no idea, none whatsoever.

Speaker 6 (14:52):
So now we have a couple things happening, and I think.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
These are very, very very good things. State Senator Barb
Kirkmeyer sent a letter demanding some kind of accountability and
in the letter this is from the Denver Gazette. In
the letter, she said, from the tragic, high profile case
of the chief of schools whose misconduct was allowed to
continue until his death, to a series of incidents where

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individuals accused of wrongdoing were permitted to resign quietly or
be transferred rather than held accountable, this district has repeatedly
chosen to protect itself instead of protecting students. The public
trust has been shattered. A culture that allows misconduct to
be ignored, minimized, or hidden must be dismantled.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
That starts with new leadership.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
So now we have another organization sending a letter expressing
their no confidence in Superintendent Tracy Dorland, and it's the
Jefferson County Education Association. When you've lost the tea Teachers Union,
you've lost it. I mean that's it. You're You're like

(16:05):
a dead man walking, And she has lost the teachers Union.
The letter they sent outline multiple issues with dore Lyn's leadership,
including allegedly making decisions behind closed doors, not listening to
community voices, and a failure to address.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
Students safety issues.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
One of the grievances, according to the letter, was a
lack of communication with the community regarding the Jefferson County
Sheriff's Office investigation.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
Into former Chief of Schools David.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Weiss that involved possession of child sexual assault material in
December and out. The union says, instead of partnering with
educators to find solutions, Superintendent Dorelyn has dismissed or delayed
action while morale, retention, and student outcomes suffer. So maybe
just maybe protect kids Colorado. Thank you Texter. Maybe just

(16:57):
maybe we can get Superintendent Tracy Dorlin three seats. By
the way, Jefferson County residents are up for reelection, and
all of those need to be flipped to someone better.
And the first question that every parent needs to ask
of every single school board candidate is what are you
going to do to make jeff Co the most transparent

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school district in the country.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
That's question number one.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Question number two, what are you going to do to
change the culture that seems to attract sexual predators to
Jefferson County Public schools? And if you can't answer both
of those, even if it's not a perfect answer, if
you can't answer both of those, then you don't.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Need to be on the school board.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
This school board needs a complete overhaul, it needs a
new superintendent. And frankly, the kids and Jeff you know,
the kids, teachers, parents, everybody in Jefferson County deserves better
than what they're getting.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
Now from jeff Co schools.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
So please pay attention where is ross when you need
the Atlas Shrugged money speech?

Speaker 6 (17:54):
Have you ever asked what is the root of money?

Speaker 11 (17:57):
YI?

Speaker 6 (17:58):
That'll lie anyway, Mandy.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
I predict Davis and Sam Silvery will rebel against their parents,
Ian Silvery and Brittany Peterson and become libertarians or even conservatives.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
When I grow up.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
I'm telling you, you guys, it happens absolutely anyway, Mandy,
What is all this stuff about Mandy's dog that's already
over with?

Speaker 6 (18:27):
The Only thing I can.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Think of, says this textter regarding the big beautiful Bill
is an asteroid coming and soon it won't matter last one, Mandy.
There's a blog in City Journal, which is the outstanding
publication comes out quarterly if you're a magazine subscriber, and
it's by the Manhattan Institute for Public Policy. And joining
me now is the author of the column that caught

(18:49):
my eye or the story that caught my eye, Associate
editor John Hirshawer from City Journal.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
John, First of all, welcome to the show.

Speaker 9 (18:57):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
So your story was about gen Z sort of maybe
I'm trying to think of the best way to say it.
I don't want to engage in too much hyperbole, like
they're saving the churches, but gen Z is turning back
to the church. Tell me a little bit about why
you did this story, first of all, and then what
you found.

Speaker 12 (19:19):
Sure So, like you say, I mean, it's possible to
overstate what's going on here, and I want to be
careful not to do that. But basically there's a few
releases of a survey or has released part of a
survey every year since two thousand and seven, called the
Religious Landscape Study.

Speaker 9 (19:35):
Now they don't perform the whole.

Speaker 12 (19:36):
Survey every year, but there are questions that they ask
annually and they release it as part of.

Speaker 9 (19:40):
This broader survey.

Speaker 12 (19:42):
And one of the questions is simply you know whether
the respondent identifies as Christian or not. And from that
random sample of thirty five thousand Americans, they basically try
to get an idea of what proportion of the population
identifies as Christian or any number of other religions that
they include in the survey prompt And if you chart
that out over time, you see that since two thousand

(20:03):
and seven, when PUCE started the poll, there's been a
consistent decline in the share of Americans generally, not just
gen Z, but the share of Americans generally who identifies Christian.
So I think in two thousand and seven, when they
first started the survey, you had seventy eight percent of
Americans identifying as Christian, and I think, with one exception,
every year from then through about twenty twenty three, its

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just consistently declined year over year and bottomed out at
sixty two percent in twenty twenty three. I think there
was one blip, but otherwise it was just consistent decline.

Speaker 9 (20:34):
Year over year.

Speaker 12 (20:36):
But then in twenty twenty four there was actually a
slight uptick to sixty three percent, which was really kind
of the first reversal, major reversal that we've seen of
the trend of consistent downward trajectory basically in the share
of Americans who identifies Christian. And when you break that
out in terms of you know, when you start to
ask yourself for what's what's going on, what's driving the shift?
Why has the consistent decline appeared at least to stall.

Speaker 9 (20:59):
I don't know that there's a reversal going on, but
at least to stall.

Speaker 12 (21:03):
And it seems like when you break out you partition
the respondents by age bracket, you notice a consistent decline
over time or actually over birth cohort in the share
of each birth cohort that they're I identification as Christians. So,
in other words, people born in the nineteen forties and before,

(21:23):
eighty percent of them identifies Christian, and that proceeds down
and down over time through the birth decades until people
born in the two thousands, who are no less likely
than people born in the nineteen nineties to identify as Christian.

Speaker 9 (21:36):
Now, what does this actually cash out?

Speaker 12 (21:38):
As we're still talking about you know, only forty six
percent of people in Generation Z identify as Christian.

Speaker 9 (21:45):
But the fact that they did not decline as.

Speaker 12 (21:50):
Precipitously as generations before them had is part of the
reason that we've seen this stability in the overall share
of the American population that identifies as Christian.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
You also talk about the fact that there are many
young people who are looking for a very orthodox type
of Christianity, a very very traditional type of Christianity. I
know that a friend of mine who is an episcopal
priest has said the Latin Mass is making a return
mostly because of young people. What do you think that's about?

Speaker 12 (22:22):
Yeah, and this is sort of you know, this is anecdotal.
There's not a ton of great, you know, big survey
evidence on this. But just from my own experience and
when you talk to people my age, I do think, well,
first of all, young people are always rebellious, right, and
maybe in the sixties rebellion looks a lot different. The
cultural moras were a lot different now, you know, the

(22:43):
prevailing message that young people get throughout all of these
various institutions is basically.

Speaker 9 (22:47):
I'm okay, you're okay, We're all okay. No one way
of living is better than any.

Speaker 12 (22:51):
Other way of living. The choices you make basically don't matter.
The reason we exist is to, you know, engage in
as many acts of like you know, sensual pleasure as possible,
and then we die and then it's over.

Speaker 9 (23:03):
And the way to.

Speaker 12 (23:03):
Rebel against that, if you're looking your rebel, is not
to just kind of lean into the revolution even more,
but it's actually to kind of embrace an older form
of liturgy and worship that says, actually, this is not
about me. I'm not here to come to church to
kind of be affirmed as myself, but rather to lose
myself and to look at something beyond myself. And I think,

(23:25):
you know, I don't think it's impossible for modern liturgies
to capture that, to be sure, but I think with
the older forms of worship, what you get is a
form of worship that is focused on God, on the Creator. Oftentimes,
in the traditional Latin Mass, the priest will have his
back face to the congregations of the congregation and the
priest are faced in the same direction, and it's.

Speaker 9 (23:48):
Just a totally different experience.

Speaker 12 (23:49):
And so I think it's easy to overstate what's happening here.
There's certainly enclaves of young people who are attracted to
these types of liturgies, But is it something that's a
huge widespread phenomenon. No, but it's notable, like you say,
because it's it's strange, I think to some people to think,
why are you know, twenty.

Speaker 9 (24:08):
Two year old women wearing veils in a church? Why
are young men, you know, kind.

Speaker 12 (24:14):
Of attracted to these forms of worship that churches had
abandoned in an attempt to appeal to young.

Speaker 9 (24:20):
People, Right, So I think it's just a notable sociological observation.
Even if you know, this isn't the sort of thing that.

Speaker 12 (24:27):
You walk down the street and you're bound to meet
a man who you know goes to some Orthodox liturgy
or something.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
It's to the to the point that you made earlier
in that answer about you know, young people rebelling, I
actually think there's a little more to it than just rebellion.
But I do think rebellion or salvation is a form
of rebellion.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
Is somewhat ironic, and I kind of love it.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
I'm not gonna lie, but I think it's a rejection
of the postmodernism that you were kind of clicking through.
Nothing matters, nothing is important, You're completely helpless to go
through the world. All of those messages suck when you're
searching right. They're vapid, they are shallow, and all of
a sudden, if you have been innunated with the message
that nothing matters and everything is the same, and nothing

(25:09):
is better than anything else, even though you can clearly
see that there are things that are better than other things.
I do think there's a lot of appeal to having
that set of rules that are clear and concise that
you can easily understand that you can try and attain by.

Speaker 6 (25:24):
Living a good life.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
I think there's maybe a little more to it, because
we see these high levels of anxiety and depression and
young people and they see what's been fed to them before,
whether the religion is climate change or transgenderism or LGBTQ
rights or whatever the new religion is, it's wildly unsatisfying.
At least I hope that that's part of it.

Speaker 12 (25:47):
Well, I think you know, as a Christian, I think
I would say the reason that being a Christian reduces
your anxiety and depression is because Christianity is true.

Speaker 9 (25:57):
But even if you aren't.

Speaker 12 (25:58):
A Christian, you don't accept that, and you want to
look at the social utility of religion and why it
appeals to people in an age like ours. I think,
like you're saying, you know, in a digital world, forgetting
even the postmodernism, which is obviously a big part of it.
But we live in a digital world where things are
so people's attention spans are short, the institutions we belong

(26:20):
to are you know, they come and go, people's images,
their careers, everything is very is very fleeting. The church
provides something that's enduring and ideally, I think the forms
of religion that insist that the truth doesn't change, that
there's a certain there are certain perennial things about our
lives that we can know to be true with certainty,

(26:41):
are those that are most likely to attract people who
are tired of feel anxious about all of the uncertainties
that I think are unique in some ways unique to
the modern world.

Speaker 6 (26:52):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
John Hershowers, the Associate editor of City Journal, which is
a fantastic publication. You can find it at City hyphen
Journal dot org.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
That cityhyphen Journal dot org.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
I put a link on this blog today, mandy'sblog dot com.

Speaker 6 (27:06):
To this story.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
John.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
I appreciate you covering this, and it's something that I've
been looking at for the last like six months or so,
just because little more data is coming out and I'm
here to encourage it. I think it's wonderful that young
people are looking for something bigger, something more permanent, to
your point, and something that they can be a part
of that really means something. So thanks for covering it,
and hopefully we'll talk again soon.

Speaker 9 (27:28):
Sounds good.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Thanks for having all right, Thank you.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
That's John Hirshower. Fascinating stuff. I read an article that
I could not find it this morning. I was going
to attach it today, but it's about the different stages
of religion in society, and from about two thousand, we
have seen religion go from hey, you know what, if
you say you're a Christian, no big deal, and then

(27:50):
around two thousand and nine ten, somewhere in that timeframe,
religion started to be something that people look down on
you for. And I don't know exactly what happened, what
the shift was, but religion became something to be ashamed of,
and now more and more people are coming out and saying, Yeah,
I'm a Christian, I go to church. It's nice that

(28:12):
we have the freedom to do that. Really nice that
we have the freedom to do that.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Find God or not.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
But I've said it so many times before, and I
meet it one hundred percent. The happiest people I know
in my life are the people with the strongest religious faith,
hands down, not even close.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
We'll be right back. Can we talk.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
About Denver dog owners for just a moment. I saw
the cutest thing. Was driving through downtown Denver as driving
to the Independence Institute on Wednesday, and I'm driving through Denver,
and I saw a mailman and I saw a Golden Retriever,
and the mailman had stopped to give the Golden retriever scratches,
and then the Golden retriever tried to follow him down
the street, but the Golden retriever was on a lead,
so he couldn't follow him down the street. But the

(28:53):
Golden Retriever genuinely looked so disappointed that the mail man
was leaving. And I thought, you know what, that's a
pretty cool part could be in a maleman being able
to see the nice dogs. But it didn't occur to
me that Denver would be a nightmare for our local
male men and women. Denver, this from our friends at
Fox thirty one has jumped in the rankings of cities

(29:14):
with the most incidents of dogs biting mail carriers.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
The old canards true.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
The US Postal Service released dog bite incident data for
twenty twenty four on Thursday, and Denver had the number
ten most incidents of any city in the US. Last year,
we came in at number eighteen with twenty one dog bites.
We bumped that up quite a bit to thirty four
dog bites. Number one Los Angeles seventy seven. So it

(29:41):
could be worse, but it could be a lot better.
I was thinking of our friend of the show, Jared
from Boulder, who happens to be a mail carrier when
I read this, I mean, I love dogs, but even
I've been bitten by an aggressive dog twice, same dang dog.
I know what you're gonna say, Mandy, why did you
go around the same dog twice?

Speaker 6 (30:01):
I did not.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
That's a whole story and that was a dog who
knew me. Well, that was a chow chow, mean mean dog. Anyway,
I digress. As I reflect back on that horror story,
I think it's I don't even know how. And if
you're a mail carrier, feel free to weigh in at
five six six And I know, how do you even

(30:27):
avoid this? I mean, if you have to take the
mail into someone's yard, like they have, have a mailbox
on their door, whatever, what do you do there? What
kind of recourse do you mail carriers? Do they get
to carry pepper spray just for dogs? Because if I would,
I would spray somebody's dog with pepper spray.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
Mandy, Yes, this is why we need a pit bull band.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
We talked last week or this week, actually earlier. They're
all running together now about the most dangerous breed in
the nation is by far and away pitbulls. And when
it comes to fatalities, there's not even remotely any dog
breed close that has killed as many people as pit
bulls have. Now, i'd love and I know that there's
a lot of people who are like.

Speaker 7 (31:09):
I love pities.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
There's those sweet and they got the big old heads
and so cute.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
But I would not let my child around a pit bull,
even if it was my pit bull, Because I read
these stories all the time from all over the country
of the family dogs that have been around a kid,
the kid's entire life, all of a sudden, for whatever reason,
turning on the dog or turning on the animal or
the child and killing them. I just there's no way,
absolutely not, Mandy. Is this adjusted for size of the city.

(31:38):
I don't know the answer to that. The US Postal
Service says there are more than six thousand dog bite
cases in twenty twenty four. It's kind of a big number,
and we had thirty four dog bites. I mean, the
Mile High city, of course, has seen worse before. In
twenty eleven, the Postal Service reported thirty five dog attacks

(32:01):
on mail carriers. That number rose to forty one and
twenty thirteen and forty seven in twenty sixteen, landing us
as seventh worst. We love our dogs in Denver, we
really In Colorado, we love our dogs like I feel
like when you're moving to Colorado, you drive across the
border and someone's standing there to hand you a puppy
and a mountain bike. Those are the two things, right.

(32:22):
You get a puppy, you get a mountain bike. Welcome
to Colorado. So I know that we probably have a
higher percentage of dogs per capita than most here, let's
ask chat GPT hang on my new best friend, new question.
How many dogs per capita does Denver have? And is

(32:42):
that higher than the national average?

Speaker 8 (32:43):
Question?

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Mark, let's see. We'll let chat work on that find
out what's going on there. They'll dig around the internet.

Speaker 6 (32:52):
No joke, says this texter.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
I get bitten by dogs probably once a year for
the past ten years. People don't train their dogs anymore.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
Lazy.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
No, wait, texter, are you a mail carrier? I'm curious.
Oh here's another one. Yes, we have dog spray. I've
been a carrier for twelve years and only just recently
used it. By the sat But the sachet we carry
is the best defense to keep space. Oh, the satchel
you carry is the best defense to keep space between
you and the dog. Happens all the time. It's just
the curse of the mailman. Well, that just makes it

(33:23):
even cooler, through rain, through sleep, through snow, and through
dog bites.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
Nothing stop the US Postal Service.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
I mean, you know, charging too much for stamps that
could stop them, but they're not gonna stop no way.
When we get back, we're talking wealth inequality with a
very smart man who writes about it.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
That's coming up next.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
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Speaker 2 (33:52):
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Speaker 1 (34:00):
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Speaker 7 (34:09):
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Speaker 6 (34:11):
Sad Bab Welcome, well, welcome to the second hour of
the show.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
And you know we all hear from Bernie Sanders from
AOC as they fly around.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
On their private jet talking.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
About the oligarchy that wealth inequality is out of control,
and if you listen to them talk, you would think
that the rich people have just gotten rich by stealing
everything from the people on the other end of the
socio economics spectrum.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
And my guest has done quite a bit of work
on this. Daniel Waldenstrom is.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
A professor of economics at the Research Institute of Industrial
Economics in Stockholm, Sweden, where he is currently trying to
enjoy his Friday night, but is taking time away from
that to talk to us about wealth inequality.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Daniel, welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
First of all, thank you Mandy great to be here.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
So tell me a little bit about the field of
study that you're in. We were kind of talking about
that before the break. What made you concentrate on wealth
inequality in your study of economics and beyond?

Speaker 13 (35:11):
So you know, Maddie, I've been working on these questions
for more than twenty years.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
So I mean I.

Speaker 13 (35:15):
Started out as a young PhD working on financial markets,
stock trading and so on. I felt that is important,
but it's not reality. It's not people's welfare, and you know,
the gaps between rich and poor and what is driving politics.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
So then I started looking.

Speaker 13 (35:31):
At income inequality, wealth inequality and taxation and also how
they have evolved over.

Speaker 7 (35:36):
Time, and that has been my main feel of interest.
Since then.

Speaker 13 (35:40):
I've been working on creating data sets so that are
comparable over time, so also we can compare countries, but
also then to you know, understand why did we get
here and what can we learn from history and and
you know, into getting a better, better society for everyone.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
Coming from one of the Nordic states where we are
always told as.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
Americans or say, for the ideal because everyone is very,
very equal, I would say everyone is equally taxed a
lot and that's why things are so equal. But did
you have a perception about wealth inequality and did you
confirm it or maybe change that perception over the years.

Speaker 13 (36:18):
Well, so, I think wealth inequality is kind of one
specific angle of economic inequality. So to begin with, a
lot of the poor people, according to wealth are actually
young people, people who have not yet been able to
start saving and so on, because they're still students or
just have entered their careers. So just as a fact,

(36:39):
many of the questions of like socio economic gradients and
differences and so on are more adequately addressed with income
looking at income differences. But wealth, on the other hand,
tells us about what is you know, successful entrepreneurship, you know,
people saving for housing and so on. And what I
found was that wealth inequality is much higher than income inequality.

(37:03):
And that's true for the US, that's true for also
for the Nordic countries like Sweden where I live.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
But I think what is important here and what I.

Speaker 13 (37:11):
Found in my book is that only because some people
are really successful in building wealth, so becoming you know
high you know, owners of large corporations, globally successful and
becoming even billionaires, that doesn't mean that you and I
get poorer.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
Right in fact, because what we buy their stuff.

Speaker 13 (37:31):
You know, typically, Microsoft has helped at least me to
become a better researcher, has lifted me in being able
to get a higher income, start saving for a home,
and start saving for my pension, and as it turns out,
that has kind of that's the most important.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
Stuff in all of these economies.

Speaker 13 (37:49):
Around three fourths of all wealth in the US actually
also in Sweden are basically housing wealth and pension savings.
People stuff that people, normal people, normal class, working class,
middle class households own. Now, this just tells us that
even though we have billionaires, most people have actually come
a long way to get a good life and even

(38:11):
starting to save and build wealth on their own. Now,
this has led to a large equalization Historically, it's one
hundred years ago, normal people, like working class people didn't
own anything.

Speaker 7 (38:24):
Today they actually own quite a bit.

Speaker 13 (38:27):
And it's it's actually partly thanks to the you know,
the democratically embedded market economists that we live in.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
So let's talk about that for a second.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Let's talk about the history of wealth inequality or income inequality.
I mean, I think that because we live in a
world especially in the developed nations like Sweden, like the
United States, we don't have to necessarily worry about the
kind of grinding poverty that still exists in other parts
of the world. And I think maybe it's it's shifted
our perspective as to how things were back then versus

(38:59):
how are now. So if you could dip into that,
I would appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
Now.

Speaker 13 (39:04):
But that that's true, that's true many. So if we
want to help four countries to get get you get
a better life, we should learn them or how to
you know, inspire them to start implementing societies that create
economic growth. So for all countries to have been lifted
from poverty, low income status, economic growth has been the thing.

Speaker 7 (39:28):
So looking even today, you know.

Speaker 13 (39:30):
Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, or in South Korea for example, they
are you know, old colonies most of them, and that
have been lifted by economic growth. So we should learn
them and inspire them to start trading like free trade,
securing private property rights and open up to you know,

(39:50):
for piers and sellers to do their thing. So that's
what we did. So our grandparents were much first off
in their daily life. They live they lived shorter, they
were more sick. When they had a bad hip, they
bought a case, they bought a stick and started like
waved around like DA's right.

Speaker 7 (40:09):
Today we get hip.

Speaker 13 (40:10):
Replacements and this is thanks to growth. And how do
we get growth? So this is a big question, of course.
I mean, we should have stable, you know, political democracies
that people feel safe, secure, and then that they can
you know, protect what they have earned. We should also
have like transparency and so on.

Speaker 7 (40:33):
But most most.

Speaker 13 (40:35):
Of all, we should private property rights, free trade, and
this is what gets things going, I think, But we
should also, you know, let's just meet saying coming from Sweden,
a high tax country, it's important also to have a
functioning public sector that provides a framework.

Speaker 7 (40:50):
For education, labor laws, so that we.

Speaker 13 (40:53):
Make working places you know, safe and you know nice,
nice to go to. So we need taxes and they
should be collected efficiently and so on.

Speaker 7 (41:01):
This is what Hittory history tells us at least.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
So let's talk for a second about the notion that
I always hear. I love it when people say the
middle class is shrinking, and in the United States it is,
but it's because of upward mobility, not because of downward mobility.
What we've seen in terms of the standard of living
across the board. Let's start with people who are in
poverty versus in poverty one hundred years ago.

Speaker 7 (41:24):
To your point, yeah, well that's right.

Speaker 13 (41:27):
So being poor one hundred years ago, you can read
stories about you know, how people lived. They lived in
miserable homes, so many many people you know in you know,
small homes, kids sharing beds, diseased spreading, they were you know, sicker,

(41:47):
and they lived shorter for short and infant mortality was
much much higher. So they had worse working places to
go to. Most of them did not have the opportun
unity to go to have a higher education after secondary
life after high school. And this has all evolved and
it's been improved thanks to our societies being linked to growth,

(42:13):
like democracy we still have a vote right, but also
economic roles has has created a lot of goods. So
being poor to being poor today in our countries, I
think Sweden and the US is a little bit different. Still,
I think I would rather be poor, actually income poor
in Sweden than in the US. So because we we

(42:33):
have you have schooling for our kids, we have health
care for our children as well, and also many for
many other people. We have elderly care, which is some
stuff that helps us to raise the bottom. So to
lift the bottom and make life okay, even if you're
unlucky to be unemployed or sick and so on. So

(42:54):
I think, and at least this is an improvement in
the US and also in Sweden by are to what
we had fifty years ago, even but for sure one
hundred years ago.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
Can I ask you a question about that, particularly about
Sweden's social safety net, because when I talk to especially
younger people, they say, look, you know in the Nordic countries,
they love the Nordic countries. Younger people, they say, they
have all of these services. And then I point out,
but the burden of paying for all of those services
is born by everyone. You know, everyone in Swedish society

(43:26):
pays a pretty steep tax rate no matter where they are,
and they don't necessarily know that part of it. They
just know the high services part. Sweden is also so
very competitive in many ways, though, So how do you
have such a high tax, high service structure and still
have a spirit of entrepreneurship or the spirit of as

(43:46):
you said, creating new business and free economies and things
of that nature.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
How does that all work together?

Speaker 13 (43:52):
Yeah, you know, Maddie, this is one you know, a thousand,
like a thousand dollars questioning. So, yes, we in Sweden
have among the highest taxes in the world. We have
been at top ten for ages in the you know
the average level, the marginal tax rate, you know that stuff,
how much you're gonna get after working an additional hour

(44:15):
at work, or is the you know, top top of
the world. This hurts us in terms of having growth
being lower than it otherwise would have been. I think
also it hurts us in the in terms of not
actually we did not provide the world with smartphones. We
did not you know, having the we did not have
the best chips like Nvidia or so we are still

(44:38):
in Sweden also in your blagging behind in terms of
actually being at the frontier. And I think one of
the of the explanations is our high tax rates. This
like hampers efficiency, it hampers the willingness to work extra
and our best and bright is many of them actually
travel to the US. That's said, Uh, we have managed

(45:02):
to try to find a balance of creating safety nets
that give you a protection if you're unlucky or if
your company goes bankrupt, so we're not going to help
the company, but we are going to have the workers.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
So we should not have industrial.

Speaker 13 (45:20):
Policies saving in productive, uncompetitive sectors. We should let them
go away, because this is what capitalism and market economies is.
But we should protect actually the workers who have invested
a lot of their their skills maybe and moved to
a city for where this company is, and because then
we should help them to move somewhere else.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
But then you know your question on why do we
also have.

Speaker 13 (45:44):
Actually you know we have Spotify, we created like Minecraft,
or we have we have the erics on and H
and M and on. So we have in Evolvo solve
and one we're very proud of that. Maybe also one
of the reasons is that we have so we are
a small country. We need to be adapt adapt adaptive.

(46:05):
We don't set the rules, we don't set the prices,
so we need to be fast and to.

Speaker 7 (46:09):
Take on new new rules of the game.

Speaker 13 (46:12):
This may have helped us to adapt and learn how
to you know, where to be in order to be competitive.
But I would say this is still a question that
we don't know the full answer or we need more research.

Speaker 7 (46:24):
We need to think more. How come we can combine
you know, you.

Speaker 13 (46:28):
Know, relatively generous systems for the unlucky and still provide
incentives to create economic growth.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
I mean, obviously you guys understand organization and how to
make money because Ikea is everywhere here now and I'm
a little bit mad at Sweden just for the instructions
on Ikea furniture right now.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
But I'm just kidding, of course.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
So yeah, I'm talking with Daniel walden Strum and we're
talking about income inequality, his book that he's got out now.
I put a link on the blog to today Richer
and More Equal, a New History of Wealth in the West,
and it talks about the fact that in an historical perspective,
we are far more equal than we've been before. And
I think the biggest point that I took away from

(47:09):
a couple of the articles that I've read written by
you is that there's two different kinds of thinking about this.
There is the fixed pie way of thinking, meaning you
have one set amount of pie, and rich people take
too large a piece. Or it is the other side
that the pie is dynamic and can keep growing, and
your piece can be bigger and my piece can be bigger.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
Is that a fair assessment?

Speaker 13 (47:31):
Well, yeah, that's a fair assessment. So one you know,
looking at history. So when my colleagues have talked about
this though, my former colleague to Mapikuiti is a French
economists been having this best seller book on history of inequality.
His claim was that we got equal by taking money
from the rich, so lowering the top. This is how

(47:54):
equality equality emerged over the twentieth century.

Speaker 7 (47:57):
And this is also the lesson for the future.

Speaker 13 (47:59):
We should tax the rich because they don't add much value. Well,
but when I look at the same data, and actually
I showed it to him and to others, and it's
actually what happened was that during some periods over the
twentieth century, it was not that the rich became poorer

(48:19):
that we got equality. Instead, normal people were able to
start saving and building wealth. The first thing they saved
for was a home, so home ownership increased during the
twentieth century. This has been you know, the prime working
class saving object.

Speaker 7 (48:36):
For a long time.

Speaker 13 (48:37):
And then over the twentieth century we started living longer,
We started living after.

Speaker 7 (48:40):
Sixty five years of age.

Speaker 13 (48:41):
What did we need to save for then, well, pensions, right,
So this is what I said in the beginning. Pension savings,
housing wealth are three fourths of all assets in the US,
also in Sweden. And this shows that equalization have come about.
Has come about not because we took down the rich.

(49:02):
Instead we started They created new products and those new
services that helped us get jobs and also get taxes
that could create good, you know, educational systems and allowed
us to start saving and building wealth. So the cake
got bigger thanks to the growth promoted by the entrepreneurs

(49:24):
the rich actually, but also that you know, invited us
to also start saving and building wealth.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
So we did not be we were.

Speaker 13 (49:33):
We have never actually been hurt by by their successes
and their programs. In fact, we've been lifted by that
by having getting jobs in their firms, getting getting their products.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
Let me just say Walmart.

Speaker 13 (49:47):
You know, Walmart is a big, big company and big employer.
So this this family, the Walton family, they are among
the richest in the world right and being on the
top list of Forbes Billionaires list for for a long time.
They imp two point one or two point three million people.

Speaker 7 (50:03):
So they create two point three million jobs.

Speaker 13 (50:07):
But it's not it doesn't end there, you know, research
has shown so Jason Furman and they called him as
at Harvard, he showed that you know, the cheaper products
that you know created good stuff for low income people
was equivalent of a ten percent real income increase for
these people.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
I talked about that yesterday on the show, and I said,
I don't know what the numbers are because I read
some data on that many years ago, and I don't
know what it is now. But I talked about the
fact that there are always trade offs in a free
trade situation. Right in one case, we may not have
as many many manufacturing jobs, maybe we've lost twenty five
thirty thousand manufacturing jobs to an overseas firm, but we've

(50:47):
elevated the buying powder of a huge number of people,
millions of people because of that trade. So it's a tradeoff,
and you just have to decide, like where that trade off.
Somebody's going to take the hit in every trade off,
and you have to decid the best way to figure
that out and and and hurt the least amount of
people while helping the most amount of people.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
Unfortunately, that's what the market is.

Speaker 7 (51:09):
Exactly.

Speaker 13 (51:10):
So this is I mean, this is where also where
you know the social safety net comes in, so people
are much more you know, positively positively engage with the transformation,
with the effectivity improvements that we want to have by
this creative destruction, if you may, with the markets improving.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
But then they may some of these people lose their
jobs going away, but let them.

Speaker 13 (51:34):
And I think it's kind of a sympathetic part of
of a like democratic market economy to have systems that
we that where where we can, we always say or
we help these people who are losing their jobs because
of the better for everyone. And I think this is
but anyway, so let's not be unfair to our economies
that create growth and also having some of these firm

(51:56):
owners becoming very rich, because it's not they are not rich,
but because they have taken money from us. We could think,
of course, we could think about taxing their capital income.
That's another part of this of this discussion, right, So
we and this is because we should everybody contribute to
you know, you know, the you know, the public sector.

Speaker 7 (52:17):
Maybe would it be buying new.

Speaker 13 (52:21):
Spacecraft or like war like defend stuff, but it could
also be infrastructure. So the rich and successful they should
also contribute and pay back to society. By as we
do with our laboring and taxes.

Speaker 7 (52:35):
But let not.

Speaker 13 (52:38):
Point them out as being enemies just because they're successful.
I don't think it's fair to them, but it's also
I don't think it's fair to our democratic market economies.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
I've got a link to.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
An article written by Daniel Walden from I guess. He's
a professor of economics the Research Institute of Industrial Economics
in Stockholm, Sweden. He's also got a book out called
Richer and More Equal. I have put a link to
buy that as well. Daniel, go up your second glass
of wine, enjoy your Friday night and your kid's matriculation
next next weekend.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
Enjoy it.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Thank you, Mandie, thanks for having me on your show.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Thank you so much. We'll talk to you again soon.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
Very very interesting stuff and his writing is fascinating, just
really really fair and no, Texter, I did not ask
him about the growing gap in the US of the
Swedish bikini team. Since the nineteen eighties, they have not
had any growth in that sector. You are correct, but
I was not going to ask him about that anyway.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
Cute people, cute people. When we get back, let's see here.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Got so much good stuff on the blog, and I'm
not going to have time to get to it. I
do want to talk about yesterday. Yesterday there was a
press conference between Representatives Gabe Evans and Lauren Bobert, and
they were at the front step steps of the Capitol,
and they were there to pitch sell.

Speaker 6 (53:59):
Could Joel convince.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
Other people that the big, beautiful bill that has been
passed by the House of Representatives is a great idea
and great for Colorado. Now I could argue that that
was that that that's wrong, but but that's not what
I'm talking about in this particular story. What I want
to talk about is the inability of people to just

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let politicians have their moment, let them have the ability
to explain what they're doing. This whole shout down anything
you disagree with. It is it is, and I don't
care if it's although I'm not aware. Do people on
the right do this to people on the left at
their press conferences, I don't know. And what's comical, absolutely laughable,

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is that our friends at Fox thirty one talk to
a guy who's like, I'm not here to starting these
travel I'm not here to I'm just gonna I'm just
here to listen and then.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
They're yelling in the background. Talk about it.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Next Keenan talking about the DHS sanctuary city list. Not
only did El Paso, I mean, did Danielle Drinsky make
sure to get a roar off that list? El Paso
County gave him. Accollum was like, what's up. I don't
know why we're on this list. They've been removed as well,
so that anybody else who's on that list that thinks
they shouldn't me, you should probably look into it.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Definitely. Okay.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
So I've got a couple of columns today, one from
the Wall Street Journal, one from Jimmy Sangenberger in the
Denver Gazette, both of them sharing the same take. The
take we're talking about is the take on the ruling
about Donald Trump's ability to levy tariff's unilaterally. And I

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have long held that I think he's using tariffs as
a tool, and we'll see how that goes. But I
said yesterday, I don't think this is a net negative
for the Trump administration if they take away his ability
to unilaterally levy tariffs. But ultimately the ruling by the
International Trade Commission, it's being appealed right now, so the

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stay on the tariffs has been stayed, meaning the tariffs
are still in effect, but there is a short window
of time.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
I think I heard thirty or forty.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Days where both sides will be prepared to make the
arguments to the appeals court about these tariffs in the
first place. I expect this to move pretty quickly. But
I don't necessarily think that Donald Trump had the ability
to levy these tariffs in the first place, because that
is a function of Congress. It's clearly delineated.

Speaker 9 (56:30):
Now.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
I wasn't familiar enough with the Emergency Powers Act to
make a credible legal argument about that.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
But that credible legal argument was.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
Not only made, it was accepted by the courts who
stayed the initial tariffs.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
And this is good news, you.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Guys, because this is just looking at the Constitution and
saying this is what we need to do. And I
know that there are some Trump fans who, honestly, I
feel like they've forgotten that they will even have a constitution,
because if Trump wants to do it, they're all for it.
They're like, now, let the man do whatever they want.
And to them, I would simply say it won't always

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be a Republican in the White House, and whatever Trump
is doing now, however he's doing it whatever is affirmed
by the courts. Meaning, yes, Trump, you have the ability
to do that. You should expect a Democrat to do
the exact same thing in a way you don't like
in the future, because that's how politics works. And I

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would like to take you back in time through the
moment when Harry Reid, the late Harry Reid, one of
my least favorite politicians of all time, when he was
the guy that said, you know what, We're going to
do away with the filibuster for judges, and they did,
and guess what happened. Republicans came and shove that down

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their throats with Supreme Court justices. So we cannot look
at this as we like what Trump is doing, so
therefore we should allow Trump.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
To do it.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
We have to look at this as what president is
being set for the next Democratic president. And frankly, I'm
not looking for an expansion of presidential powers for.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
That very reason.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
I truly do not want to give the presidency any
more powers than Congress is already abdicated to the presidency.
And one of the things that I think may come
of Donald Trump's presidency. If the Democrats take back the
House and the Senate in the midterms, which is a
real possibility, if the Republicans continue to ignore the things
that people love, which is doge, you know, cutting spending

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in DC, if they continue to ignore it, they're going
to do.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
So at their peril.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Now, if the Democrats take back over, I would fully
expect Congress to rather quickly reassert their authority over things
that they have punted to the presidency over the years,
because they don't want to be held responsible for their votes.
So I'm okay with this. I mean, I'm really okay
with this. But now the pressure is on Congress. I

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don't think there's a zero percent chance that Congress is
going to reinstate a one hundred and forty five percent
tariff on China. It's not going to happen. I don't
even think they'll sustain ten percent tariffs on everything. I
don't think they'll do it. I don't think they have
the stones. I think that the US Congress is made up,
generally speaking of a group of cowards who only want

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to get reelected and they don't care about anything.

Speaker 6 (59:28):
Else because guess what for a lot of them.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
When the poop hits the fan and we hit our
debt crisis in the whole world falls apart, they're gonna
be dead.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
They don't care. They really don't care.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
Mandy, are you saying the people yelling at Bobert and
Evans were only Democrats? Thank you for bringing it back
to that, Texter. I had already forgotten mentally that I
was going to talk about that. No, I don't know
if they were or not.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
They could be.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Well, I know some of them were Democrats because they
were with the Democratic Socialist Organization.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
So yes, some of them were.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
But even if they were on right, yelling at Evans
and Bobert, it's just stupid.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
If you want to ask a question.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
If you want to sit there and listen thoughtfully and
and you know, try and come up with a great
question to ask these two legislators, like, hey, why did
you guys codify all of the spending that the Democrats
wanted when you knew.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
You weren't going to get any Democrat votes? You could
ask that question, right, But instead people just try to
shout them down. It's just dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
It shows a.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
Lack of intellectual vigorance or of like. It just shows
you can't hang in an intellectual conversation. So it doesn't
matter which side of the eyeline. If you're the person
standing there shouting down someone else trying to make a point,
you just really lost the argument from the get go.

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You know, the old argument, the first one to start
yelling in an argument loses one hundred because once you
start losing, you're admitting that you can no longer make
an argument for whatever position you were trying to ark,
thank you for, and so you resort to yelling and
name calling them all of those other things.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
Mandy, You're right about this. In so many ways.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
The Democrats are like pit vipers in soldier boots just
waiting to strike guys.

Speaker 6 (01:01:13):
I maybe in Colorado they are.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
The National Democratic Party is in so disarray right now
they can't even find their boots, let alone put them on.
They're absolutely it's a disaster up in there. So so bad,
so so bad. The graft and grift in bipartisan is
in Congress where both sides have family and NGOs reaping

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huge dollars. That's why no action on DOGE cuts correct.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Ralph says.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
The problem with asking Congress to do anything Tariff's doge
cuts is they're totally lame on accomplishing anything unless forced
to do so. I have long thought that Republicans suck
at being in charge. Really, I mean, just look at
this spending bill. Not one Democrat voted for it in
the House of Representatives. If I'm Mike Johnson, I am

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stripping out everything that would have gotten a Democrat vote,
every piece of whatever that is in there in an
effort to woo Democrats to that bill.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
I would take it out. I would scrap every.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Single bit of it because maybe at that point Thomas
Massey could vote for it, maybe, just maybe. I genuinely
don't understand why it's all in there. All of the
green subsidies, all of that stuff, all of the Biden
priorities are in this bill, and we're just supposed to
be what grateful that they're rushing us to insolvency.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
Okay, sure, Mandy. Here's another way of saying.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
The poop hits the fan, the fit hits the shan
That is a little too close and a little too
I might mess it up for me, Thank you, though,
appreciate you messing it up when you're talking to your
friends is funny. Messing it up when you're on the
radio is a problem. A prop that'll be the one
day we hit the dump button and nothing happens. That

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has happened to me before, where you hit it and
nothing happens, they're.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Like, wait, what, what?

Speaker 7 (01:03:09):
What is happening?

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
But it was a listener that had cursed, not me,
so it was no big whoop for me. We did
what we were supposed to do.

Speaker 7 (01:03:17):
Mandy.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
Trump is pushing as authoritarian agenda by threatening law firms, journalists, reporters,
TV stations.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
Does that not concern you?

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
Anyone who dare say anything that is not complimentary is
a threat to him. He calls them nasty or fake
or sues them. Is that what we want in a president?
If the president has the grounds to sue them as
the president issuing paramount and CBS, sure knock yourself out.
I mean, how long are you supposed to let people
fabricate stories about you or mindlessly repeat things said by

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Representative Adam Schiff and never correct the record when it
turns out.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
He lied the entire time, you know?

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
The problem for the media is that they have given
so much ammunition to Donald Trump. NPR doesn't deserve our
tax dollars. They are no longer unbiased. They don't represent
every American in the United States of America.

Speaker 6 (01:04:11):
They're on the.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Side of big government because guess what big government is
their gravy train.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
I mean, you got you can talk about intimidation.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
Whatever, blah blah blah, but how has the news media
been used or chosen to be used to protect democratic
politicians up to this point. You can act like it
doesn't matter that NPR had a tweet out for it
might still be there if you go back in time
and look that literally said why we're not talking about

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the Hunter Biden laptop because it's fake news. I mean,
I'm paraphrasing, but that's what is said. They've been carrying
the water and doing the business for the Democratic Party
for a very very long time. And the fact that
you don't like that it's being pointed out, sorry about
your luck. But they created the problem. They created this atmosphere.

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They gave too much to the other side. So the
fact that everybody's being called out on it now, I'm
perfectly fine with that. This is for Ryan's only And yes,
I already sent this story to both Ryan.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
Schuling and Ryan Edwards.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
There's not a lot to celebrate at Rockies games this
day or this year. It's it's a bit of a
struggle bus right now. So why not get together in
a Rockies game for something completely unrelated to baseball.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
That is what's happening.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Right now as a group of Ryan's is trying to
fill a section of the audience at Coursefield on June twentieth.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
Their goal is to set the record for.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
The most people with the same name in attendance at
a baseball game.

Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
This is something to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Cheer about, my friends, if my name was Ryan, I
was going I actually sent this story to my son
and said, want to fly in.

Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
I can get your tickets. I love this.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
I love dumb, idiotic, completely moronic, meaning no nothing to
anyone kind of things that bring people together around something
that means nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
I love this.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
By the way, there is a group of Ryans that
have been doing this for some time. They want to
break their a world record for the largest gathering of
people with the same name that was set when two
three hundred and twenty five people named Ivan gathered in
twenty seventeen. The largest event of this group has only
managed to get six hundred Ryans to Los Angeles. Ryan Lee,

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co founder and event organizer for the nonprofit organization Ryan Meetup,
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
This so dumb.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
He said that the Ryan Meetup is a safe space
for Ryan's.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
It's not limited to Ryan's, but the group.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Brings all necessary paperwork, so if you want to change
your name to Ryan, you can do that as well
to participate.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
The website does note that Brian's. Brian's are not allowed.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
Lee explained this is because the Ryan meetups are a
safe space where their names will not be mistaken for Brian,
which apparently happens a lot when you're a Ryan.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
He said.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
One time a couple of Ryans were on the Wheel
of Fortune and met Ryan Zecrest, who noticed one of
the Ryans was wearing a Ryan Meetup shirt that said
no Brian's allowed, and he was like, suw, I hear you,
I hear you. Now a link to a story today
where you can actually buy a ticket to sit in
the correct section. The Ryans are going to meet at

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the Rockies game on Friday, June twentieth, and again at
the Ryan Summit on June twenty second or June twenty first.
The next day at the Shambles Tavern. The summit begins
at five pm. It's free to attend, and it will
feature the group's first ever Ryan Talk, a keynote delivered
by a Ryan who has picked for their groundbreaking contributions

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to Ryan culture. Li said Ryan's at the Colorado Rockies
reached out and invited the Ryan meet up to take
over a course field for a game. The stadium set
aside some two hundred seats for people named Ryan, and
said it were reserved more should the Ryans purchase more
than that Ryan first or last name, does it matter,
Jimbo because your name is Jimbo. Don't do anything to

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pat the pockets of the monforts. I know, I know
you guys, I know I know, but I know, Hey, Hi, Mandy,
the Rocks are already doing something completely unrelated to baseball.
That's fair. That is a fair criticism right there. I
don't really have a way to snap back on that
when we get back. You know, gay marriage is something

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that I have believed in for a very very long time,
even when it put me at odds with a majority.

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
Of my listeners in Kentucky.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
But now I'm seeing a level of backsliding and Republican support,
and I'm here to talk about it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
Next.

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Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
Welcome to the final hour of the Friday Show. I'm
your host for the next one hour, Mandy Connell. Anthony
Rodriguez he's right over there Ball. You can call him
the French a rod There you go. I like the
French version of the air Horn. Okay, I got a
bunch of stories I want to get to, and then
we're gonna talk to a woman who ran the Boston Marathon,

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did really well, and that was kicked out of her
running group because she dared to say that men should
not be able to compete against women. We'll talk to
her at two thirty. So let me jump into like
five things that I want to get to before that.
The first is this, I am disappointed that the latest
polling on gay marriage is showing that gay marriage approval
is backsliding with Republicans considerably. It got over the fifty

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percent approval mark in twenty twenty one and has been
falling ever since. It is back down to forty one
percent approval now overall Americans, all Americans, A sixty eight
percent of Americans approve of gay marriage. And I say
approve of I mean I would say, if you don't
care if gay people get married, that's being counted as

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in the approval column, even though you may not have
an opinion on whether or not gay marriage is, you know,
right or not. But if you're a libertarian and you're like,
I don't really care, which leads me to this explanation.

Speaker 7 (01:10:43):
I've been an.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
Advocate for gay marriage for a very, very long time.
Now I understand the backsliding on this, but I want
to talk around it for a moment. Gay marriage is
not about religious ceremonies. There are churches that will codify
gay marriages, absolutely, But even as I was advocating for
the legalization of gay marriage, I was also telling people
that I would fight for the right of a church

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to not be forced to codify gay marriage. And I
still stand by that because I believe in freedom right
and churches should have the right to follow their dogma
and if their dogma says gay marriage is wrong, then
they should be able to say we're not going to
be involved. And this particular conversation about gay marriage being
legal or not, it is simply a governmental tax situation.

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This is not a morality issue for me. This is
about allowing people who are same sex attracted to marry
other people of the same gender that they are in
love with, just like straight people want to get married
to people that they love, and they get the same
tax benefits, and they get to be able to make
decisions for their partners in cases of medical emergencies, much

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like a regular heterosexual spouse would have.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
And I think that's only fair.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
And for a long time Republicans were like, no, no, no,
But then here comes the overfel decision and gay marriage
is the law of the land.

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
And guess what I would love for any.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Of you who are anti gay marriage to please weigh
in right now via the Common Spirit Health text line
at five six six nine zero. How has any gay
marriage negatively affected your marriage or family? Now, if you
say my kid came out as gay and got married
to another person of the same gender, you know you're right, absolutely,

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But doing the way with gay marriage isn't going to
make your kid any less gay. The kid's still going
to be gay, but now they can actually enter into
a legal agreement with the person that they love with
the same protections that are afforded. Two heterosexual people in
loving relationships who want to commit to each other and
to have a long term relationship with another human being

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and say you were my person, I am your person.

Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
We are going to get married.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
So I think it's absurd to try and force the
reality of a church on a governmental institution.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
That's the absurdity to me.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
You know, I have long I know Christians that feel
very strongly that being gay is wrong. And you know what,
they treat gay people with the utmost love and respect
because they follow the Christian edict of you know, hate
the sin, love the sinner, I paraphrased. So I don't
understand now wait, let me back that up. I do

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understand why support is dropping, and I believe it's this.
And if you have found yourself in a position where
you're more anti gay marriage than you were a couple
of years ago, am I right?

Speaker 6 (01:13:32):
Let me know?

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
Five six six nine, oh, I think that we've gone
from gay people saying look, we just want to be
able to get married. We just want to be able
to have those same protections. We just want to be
able to make sure that at the end of our lives,
our partner is going to be the one to make
those decisions.

Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
We'd like to be able to.

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
Ensure that our partner inherits our wealth. They wanted these
legal protections, and then there's like like leave us alone,
but then we went from that too. You must use
these completely fabricated pronouns or you're in trouble, or even worse,
you're gonna have to look at a dude with a
beard wearing a dress and call him a woman.

Speaker 6 (01:14:10):
And I think they're just like, you know what, I'm
out on the whole thing. I'm done.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
I might have been okay with you going to get
married and everything, but now I'm just sick of having
everything shoved down my throat and it's a reactionary thing.
And I think it's the wrong thing because I don't know,
and I should probably look into this, and maybe I'll
do this at some point in the near future.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
I think there's been some growth.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
For the gay community in the Republican Party because once
gay marriage is an issue was taken off the table.
Then we have people saying, you know what, I am conservative.
I am a fiscal conservative, and a lot of times,
you know, other than the fact I'm gay, I'm also
socially conservative. I have multiple gay friends that fall into
that last category, and so I don't I'm saddened by this.

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I really am sad by this, because I think that
there are a lot of reasons to say, you know what, Legally,
you guys welcome to the club. And as this texter said, Mandy,
they deserve to be as unhappy as the rest of us.

Speaker 7 (01:15:13):
Yes, they do.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
Although I am not unhappy, Mandy. I don't have a
problem with gay marriage, except it is not a marriage.
Doesn't the Bible say a marriage is defined as a
union between a man and a woman. We don't get
our legal system from the Bible. Because I just went
real quick. Let me tell you some of the other
things that would have to be outlawed if we were
getting our rules from the Bible. You got a tattoo, Sorry,

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that's illegal now. Oh you want to eat shrimp, sorry,
that's illegal now. Oh women, if you're going to say
a prayer, you have to cover your head because if
you don't. That's illegal. Now, if you're a woman, you're
not allowed to speak in church, that's illegal. Now, Oh,
you're wearing clothing that is a cotton poly blend, that's illegal.

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Now just check levitigus. If you cut the hair on
the sides of your head or clip the edges of
your beard, that should be illegal as well. I mean,
there's a whole bunch of stuff in the Bible that
we have not made laws. And don't get me wrong,
I realize that we have a Judeo Christian founding, but
ultimately we have laws that apply to everyone, not just Christians.

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And though the you know standards, thou shalt not kill,
that's a pretty clear commandment. But we allow various forms
of killing, don't we. Killing done by the state and
the name of the death penalty, killing done in self defense,
killing done accidentally.

Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
There's a lot of wiggle room.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
And I find it interesting that people want to use
the Bible for this particular thing, right, but they want
to ignore everything else that is also in the Bible,
and some of it said more than one time in
the Bible. Can you imagine if we made adultery illegal again?
Can you imagine if we outlawed divorce again, how many

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of the people that are advocating against gay marriage are actually.

Speaker 6 (01:16:59):
People that have had to divorce under their belt.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
I'm just asking, Mandy, maybe some research into the background
of marriage in the US would be useful. What's the
difference between civil contracts and marriage that's Jewish law, not
Christian law. Some of those came from the New Testament, kids,
you can look them up yourself, but they're not Old

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Testament things. Some of them are New Testament, Mandy. Our
entire nation was founded off of Christian morals and principles.
It's the fact that whoever's in power gets to pick
and choose which ones are important and which ones are not.
That's why I don't look to the government for my morality,
and neither should you. Moving on, I got two stories
I want to get to very very quickly. One is
the story out of the UK, the UK and the Telegraph,

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and the headline is how porn and gaming sapped young
men of their desire to work. The rise of easy
online entertainment means boys are disappearing into a digital world.

Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
Okay, fine, all of that's great.

Speaker 7 (01:17:58):
The whole story.

Speaker 6 (01:18:01):
It starts. I am twenty two and unemployed. All I
do is sit around and watch porn and play games.

Speaker 7 (01:18:08):
What am I doing wrong?

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
And there's multiples my guys in their twenties saying the
same thing, And all I can think of is how
are they living? How are they getting food to put
in their bodies? How are they getting a roof over
their head? How are they doing these things? Because I
got to tell you, the thought of just sitting at
home and doing things I enjoy all day and not

(01:18:30):
having a job, it is very appealing. But in my
world it's called retirement, right, and you have to work
to get there. This is what I don't understand. Who's
enabling these young men who's saying, oh, don't worry about it,
don't worry about getting a job, just sit around and
watch porn and play gate.

Speaker 6 (01:18:48):
Who's doing that?

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
And then they go on to talk about the job
market in the UK it's not like it used to be,
and now you know, people don't want to work hard
and they want to start making forty and blah blah
blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (01:19:02):
All it is is a series of.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Excuses for guys who have now become addicted to porn
in some cases and before you say, Mandy, porn addiction
is not a real thing. There are now numerous, many,
many studies that show watching pornography releases the same kind
of dopamine in your brain as doing drugs. So that's
pretty significant, especially if you get to the point where

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you can no longer have a real relationship with another
human being. But I'd love for somebody to answer that question,
like how are these guys doing this? Because right now,
if I lost my job, I don't know how I
would do any of those things. I really don't. It's
absolutely ridiculous. Hey, Rod, have you gone into any businesses

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as of late only to be greeted by someone at
the door with a.

Speaker 7 (01:19:50):
Hey, welcome in? Have you heard this?

Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
I heard it three times in them all last week,
and I gotta tell you I kind of liked it.
I thought it was very.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
Friendly, like thank you for coming into your business. I'd
say half the time, but specifically the words welcome in.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
Welcome in.

Speaker 8 (01:20:07):
Usually it's a hello, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
I heard three welcome ins last week at Park Meadow's mall,
and I liked it. I was like, well, thank you
for welcoming me into your business where I might buy something.
I might not, but I appreciate being noticed first of all,
and then welcome, come on in.

Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
How many of those did you buy something?

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Um?

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
And more specifically, for the ones that didn't, would they
say thanks for coming in?

Speaker 6 (01:20:30):
One of them did.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
One of them had a door reader at the door
of the shop who greeted me on the way in
and said, oh, you didn't find anything you wanted. I
was like, well, I'm kind of looking for my daughter,
so I'll bring her back. And I did bring her
back and she did buy something at that store, so.

Speaker 14 (01:20:46):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:47):
But there's a whole article in.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
The Wall Street Journal today and it says welcome in
the two word greeting that's taking over and driving shoppers
nuts and people are upset with but if the phrase
welcome in. A thirty two year old software developer was
perplexed when a retail worker first greeted her with welcome in.

Speaker 6 (01:21:09):
She said, and this is a quote.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
I just kind of stared at them because I thought
they were going to finish the sentence with something else.
Why it's a complete sentence welcome in. This article, though,
irritated me because now we can't even have people just
say a nice thing, you know, Hey, welcome in. I
actually think it is indicative of a movement in retail

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where they are grateful that people are shopping in.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
Brick and mortar stores, and in order to encourage that, Hey,
welcome in.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
Not just welcome to the business because you can find
us online, Welcome into the store where you're going to
feel things and touch things and probably be more likely
to buy things because you can try them on and
know that they're going to look great. Why do we
always have to pick on everything that's nice, kind, decent?

Speaker 6 (01:21:57):
Why is that? Just enjoy it?

Speaker 12 (01:21:59):
Lean in.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
This feels very reminiscent of happy Holidays versus Merry Christmas, which,
by the way, I think is so stupid. I mean,
it's Christmas time, That's what we're celebrating a vast majority
of the time. You can stay back, happy onic or whatever.
I don't care, doesn't make any difference. But if you're
in retail, I like it. I think it's friendly.

Speaker 6 (01:22:19):
And they must have only asked city slickers, right. City
people don't do manners. They just don't.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
In the South, this would everybody welcome in, Welcome here,
welcome over. People are just looking for things to be
annoyed about. And if you look hard enough, and you
don't even have to look that hard, you are definitely
going to find them. When we get back, we're going
to talk to a woman. First of all, I'm already
kind of filled with both admiration and envy because the

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reason we're talking to her is that she not only
ran the Boston Marathon and finished in under three hours,
she did.

Speaker 6 (01:22:55):
It six months after she had a baby.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
I couldn't even wear regular jeans six months after I
had a baby, let alone run a marathon.

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
Not that that's ever gonna happen anyway. I'm never gonna
be one of.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Those people that has a midlife crisis and decides to
run a marathon, because no, that's not my jam now.

Speaker 6 (01:23:12):
I mean, I might eat a marathon bar, but not
not actually run in one.

Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
When we get back, we're gonna chat with Natalie Daniels
and about her new running club just for Women, and
why her running club kicked her out after.

Speaker 6 (01:23:29):
She ran the Boston Marathon. That's all coming up next.
Natalie is a woman, And I said.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
This earlier, Natalie, Not only am I I admire you
for running the Boston Marathon, but you ran it three
months postpartum, and I said, very honestly, I couldn't even
fit into my.

Speaker 6 (01:23:46):
Normal genes six months postponem, so I can't even imagine
what that is.

Speaker 14 (01:23:52):
So I was six months postpartum, but I did.

Speaker 11 (01:23:55):
I did do one other marathon this spring when I
was four months, which is pretty nuts.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
Runners like you are touched, right, Like those of us
who are not runners were like, I can't even imagine
why you'd want to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:07):
Let's start at the beginning, though.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
You tell me a little bit about your running history
and your running career, because you're not just an average,
you know, run of the mill runner, You're you're a
competitive marathon runner.

Speaker 7 (01:24:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:24:20):
So, and it's actually funny that you that you say that.

Speaker 11 (01:24:23):
So when I started running when I was in high school.
So I joined my high school cross country team after
I quit the tennis team because my tennis team was
too competitive and I just like was not very good
and I.

Speaker 14 (01:24:37):
Needed to take one more season of a sport in
order to not have to take gym class. So I
was really bad. I dropped out of more races than
I finished when I was in high school.

Speaker 11 (01:24:48):
But somewhere kind of between my senior year of high
school and my freshman year of college, I just kind
of fell in love with running and with training for
things and racing. So I ran collegiately for my D
three school, Cavin College in Michigan, and I still wasn't
very good compared to the other girls on the team,

(01:25:12):
but I just I really enjoyed it. And so since
I've graduated, I went to grad school and I just
kind of kept up this, you know, interest in not
just running but competing. And I've now done eighteen marathons.
The first one I did was when I was nineteen,
when I.

Speaker 14 (01:25:30):
Was in college, and I've won five of them. But
I really do, I think have the.

Speaker 11 (01:25:38):
Unique perspective of, you know, being somebody who is competitive
and wants to do my best, you know, time wise
and performance place wise.

Speaker 14 (01:25:49):
But I've been in a place where I have not
been at the top of the field. So yeah, it's
it's been a journey.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
I bet, I bet, And I can't even, like I said,
running a four months six months, but forget about it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
I mean, that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
I want to talk about what happened though, when you
were about to run the Boston Marathon and you've been
with a running club for many, many years. Tell me
about running club. Tell me about the lead up to
the Boston Marathon and what happened after.

Speaker 11 (01:26:16):
Yeah, so I had been with this particular club in
Northern Virginia for a little over a year when I
was gearing up for Boston, and I had been very
vocal with that club that you know, my interest and
passion was in building you know, a women's competitive team.

Speaker 14 (01:26:37):
So encouraging women.

Speaker 11 (01:26:39):
You know, we had a very strong number of Masters women,
which is women over forty right, you know, at all
kind of stages in our running career. So we had
women who were sort of fresh out of college, out
of competing with their college teams, to you know, women
who had picked up the sport later on, but we're
having success.

Speaker 14 (01:26:59):
With it all the way up to you know, women
in their forties.

Speaker 11 (01:27:04):
I don't know if we had anybody in their fifties,
but the idea being, you know, we're a club for
for all women to continue this competitive, you know, competitive running.

Speaker 14 (01:27:17):
So going into Boston, I had actually.

Speaker 11 (01:27:21):
Registered when I was eight months pregnant, and it was
I had a not very enjoyable pregnancy.

Speaker 14 (01:27:30):
I just had a lot of like really bad pelvic pain.

Speaker 11 (01:27:32):
So it's hard to be active. I'm somebody who's obviously
used to being very active. So when I registered for Boston,
you know, in my mind, I was thinking, I just
want this to be kind of a celebration of you know,
my body, of this body that carried me through pregnancy
and then you know, delivered my son, and you know,
now can do this, git back to doing this thing

(01:27:54):
that I love, even if I'm not, you know, as
fast as I want to be.

Speaker 14 (01:27:59):
So I was on a Twitter, I think it was
maybe like December or January, and I.

Speaker 11 (01:28:05):
Saw Jennifer say post something about, you know, the BAA's
policy that they were choosing to allow biological males to
run in the women's category at Boston, and it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:17):
Was just kind of this like.

Speaker 14 (01:28:21):
Like frustration.

Speaker 11 (01:28:23):
You know, it just felt like a little insulting in
a way of just like, you know, I signed up
for this race to celebrate you know what to me
was this like great act of being a female, of
being a woman, and.

Speaker 14 (01:28:34):
This policy is saying like, yeah, well you don't really.

Speaker 7 (01:28:37):
Matter that much and.

Speaker 11 (01:28:40):
All of the success that you want to have is
is sort of secondary to this like quote unquote inclusivity
policy that we want to have.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
Yeah, I isn't it true that the marathon had already
did I already had a non binary category, right, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:28:55):
Yeah, And there's some.

Speaker 11 (01:29:01):
Debate, I guess, around how that that category functions, but
it's clear that it's not h it doesn't. You know,
a lot of these people who are you know, view
themselves as as female. They they would they don't want
to participate in that, they want to participate in the
women's race.

Speaker 14 (01:29:22):
So yeah, so I agreed to.

Speaker 11 (01:29:25):
I met with Jen a few times, and you know,
we talked about what some kind of statement or whatever
would look like.

Speaker 14 (01:29:33):
And you know, this was something that had kind of
been weighing on me for a long time.

Speaker 11 (01:29:37):
You know, I had just seen so many examples of
like teenage girls, you know, having to take a stand
and having to deal with this, you know, in their schools,
and I just kept thinking like, well, where are the
adults in these situations? Like why are any adults saying anything?
And so I think I even said in one of
the first interviews, you know, this just seems like the
time for me to finally take like a public stand

(01:30:01):
on this. Now.

Speaker 14 (01:30:02):
It was definitely more widely viewed than I expected.

Speaker 11 (01:30:08):
When there's an individual, Nicky Hilts picked it up and
made a fairly condescending video of it that basically said,
you know, running a marathon is all about having fun
and making friends, and you know, why does it matter
you're at the You're not winning the race, so your
result doesn't really matter.

Speaker 5 (01:30:30):
To be clear, nick and Nicky Hilts considers herself trans
and non binary correct but still run women's.

Speaker 14 (01:30:38):
But competes in women's running. It is a biological female.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
Okay, so I mean, but obviously as a trans non
binary person, Nicki Hilts could choose to run in a
non binary category or run in the merry category, right,
and yet that's not happening.

Speaker 7 (01:30:54):
Yeah, And so.

Speaker 14 (01:30:56):
Nicki is also not a marathon er.

Speaker 11 (01:30:59):
She runs the fifteen hundred okay, so very different, very
different races, you know. Also, so there's yeah, so it
sort of exploded from there and people started and I
expected there to be you know, some pushback and some
people who were.

Speaker 14 (01:31:19):
You know, upset with what I said, but I did
not expect I got a lot of you know, I had.

Speaker 11 (01:31:25):
Some people who were trying to like find me in
Boston were like stalking my strabo, which is a running
GPS tracking app, you know, trying to figure out where
I was.

Speaker 14 (01:31:38):
You know, a couple of people.

Speaker 11 (01:31:39):
Said things about, you know, we're going to look for
you on the course, and so it was it was frightening.
I mean, it was a it was somewhat bewildering in
some ways. You know, I felt like I hadn't said
anything that was you know, definitely not trying to attack
anyone into build into an individual, but to say that
this policy felt very unfair.

Speaker 14 (01:32:00):
And yeah, so it sort of exploded from there.

Speaker 6 (01:32:04):
And then after the race, your running club, what did
they want you to do here?

Speaker 14 (01:32:09):
Yeah, so they had given me.

Speaker 11 (01:32:13):
Sort of this list of things that I needed to
do in order to basically be you know, at first
it was a year long suspension and you know, I
would still have to do all of these things. And
the things were it was like on my personal social
media state that you know, my views don't reflect those of.

Speaker 14 (01:32:34):
The running club, which like, okay, yeah, I actually that.

Speaker 11 (01:32:38):
The second one was, you know, make this apology saying
that you know, what I said was hurtful and I
apologize for hurting people. And I was like, well, you know,
I will apologize that people were hurt, but I don't
feel like I was saying anything you specifically hurtful towards
any one person, right, And it was really meant to
be this critique of the policy. But then the third

(01:33:01):
thing was that I needed to again make this public
statement on my personal social media that said, you know,
I now recognize kind of the error of my ways
that you know, with a certain amount of you know,
hormones and surgery, you know, a man can actually become
a woman.

Speaker 14 (01:33:21):
And I just remember like sitting and just like I
pause for a second, and I said, like, no, I'm
not going to do that, Like I can't. I cannot
do that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
And it's faith Like think that goes again, how remarkable
this is.

Speaker 5 (01:33:34):
They're trying to make you say something that you don't
believe so they will allow you to stay that's that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Yeah, so crazy.

Speaker 11 (01:33:41):
And I even said too, I was like, you know,
this goes really directly against like my Christian beliefs, and
like I, this isn't just like a you know, this
is something that like I could point to the evidence
of the things that I believe in.

Speaker 14 (01:33:55):
And so it was sort of you know, it felt
at the moment I realized that they were trying to
do some damage control, which.

Speaker 11 (01:34:06):
Is within their right to do. But then yeah, it
just in hinds, and I'm like, wow, that was a
very you know, somewhat disturbing thing to be asked to
capitulate on this, you know, fairly fundamental thing that you know,
I'd never been quiet about. I'd always been very proud
and excited to.

Speaker 14 (01:34:26):
Build and support women and women's running.

Speaker 5 (01:34:30):
And that's let's I want to make sure we get
it all in before we run out of time here.
So that is kind of where your new running group
came into play with Jennifer Say, who's been on the
show as well, and xx y Xxxy Athletics, her company
that specializes in making great athletic wear, but it also
supports girls and girls sports and is working to to

(01:34:53):
sort of change things. Now, tell me about the running
club you guys have made.

Speaker 11 (01:34:57):
Yeah, so this is actually I think jen pointed out
when I said, you know, I got the email that
I was getting formally kicked out of the club.

Speaker 14 (01:35:04):
He's like, well, let's start. Let's start our own club.

Speaker 11 (01:35:08):
And I mean it is it's already, you know, we've
only been live for a little under two weeks, and
we've already got just such.

Speaker 14 (01:35:16):
A vibrant, great community that's building. So it's mostly online
with some in real.

Speaker 11 (01:35:23):
Life meetups and stuff that we're going to get started
once we've got some kind of you know, little regional
cohorts grown.

Speaker 14 (01:35:31):
You know, we share training stuff, we do virtual activities.

Speaker 11 (01:35:36):
So on Monday, we a bunch of us did a
murph and then posted our results in the chat. So
it was a way for us all to kind of
encourage each other to do something that's maybe not necessarily
within a bunch of runners wheel house to do two
hundred push ups.

Speaker 7 (01:35:51):
We did it.

Speaker 11 (01:35:51):
This is not the right part articles and to talk
and to just kind of, you know, network and support
other women across the country, you know, with this similar
value of you know, we're all women at all different
stages and are running careers who just wants to continue
to get better.

Speaker 14 (01:36:11):
It's fort each other.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
Are you following along with what's happening in California right
now with their track and field situation because they're trying
to change some stuff and it's I got to tell you,
I don't think you can do it in the middle
of a season.

Speaker 6 (01:36:24):
I think it would be very right to sort of.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
And what we're talking about is the California High School
Association is now considering allowing like if a if a
transwoman medals, they will essentially give the medal also to
a biological girl who ran in that race, And they're
trying to split the baby, right, Yeah, and this is.

Speaker 14 (01:36:45):
The it's unfortunate and I'm so yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:36:47):
I follow these stories very closely when they crop up,
and this is one that you.

Speaker 14 (01:36:51):
Know, it's it's frustrated because there are no real winners here.

Speaker 11 (01:36:56):
You know, everybody is going to have to experience some
sort of and it's it didn't need to be this way,
you know.

Speaker 14 (01:37:04):
I think they're.

Speaker 11 (01:37:05):
Recognizing that the tide is turning on this and people
are starting to be more vocal about the fact that
it is simply, like demonstrably unfair to these you know,
teenage girls who work for months to be competitive in
their chosen discipline, you know, or and then just lose

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out on, you know, opportunities, attention that they would beginning
from scouts and from colleges and potential scholarship opportunities. And
so it's just like vast ripple effect that now it
feels like they're really scrambling to try to rectify it,
but it's you know, at some point, it's maybe a
little too too late in the season. So I'm hopeful

(01:37:47):
that maybe this is you in the future. Uh, something
better can come from from this moment in history. But
you know, it's heartbreaking for those girls who are dealing
with it right now.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
Natalie Daniels, you are I would say an inspiration, but
that would imply that I too, I'm going to start
running marathons, and that is simply not a thing that's
going to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
But I admire that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
No, trust me, I know that is not a thing
that's I already said. I'm not going to be one
of those midlife prices people who goes and start twenty
It's just not my jam. But I admire you for
everything you've done, and I admire you for continuing to
talk about this and starting this new running club, and
I know it's going to be successful. And I put
a link on the blog today so people can join
the club if they'd like to. All you crazy runners

(01:38:31):
out there and join a group of like minded people
who are just trying to make sure that women can
compete against women fairly in these sports. Natalie, thank you
so much for your time today.

Speaker 14 (01:38:42):
Yeah, thank you as well.

Speaker 6 (01:38:43):
All right, have a great day.

Speaker 5 (01:38:44):
And yeah, yeah, there's a zero percent chance I'm ever
going to run a marathon. If I'm running a marathon,
it's because someone has said I'm going to chase you
for twenty six point two miles until I die, and
I'm like, okay, let's go. Then, all bright in the
studio right now.

Speaker 8 (01:38:58):
What's going on? I'm not running twentye No, zerup and run.

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
No, I don't. I don't like to run.

Speaker 7 (01:39:03):
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
I started running a little bit, but treadmill running because
I got bad hips and a bad knee.

Speaker 15 (01:39:07):
I was out here jogging or maybe it's yogging soft
j I don't know this morning. So you know, apparently
you just run for an extended period of time. It's
a new fad, a new fade.

Speaker 6 (01:39:16):
The kids today are all doing it.

Speaker 7 (01:39:17):
Is that?

Speaker 6 (01:39:17):
What's happening that?

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
Zieger?

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
Also in the studio tonight, I hear you're doing VCT tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
I am.

Speaker 8 (01:39:22):
I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 15 (01:39:23):
At like one sixth of the marathon, I'm not alone
a half marathon I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Yeah, I do five k is my limit?

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
You know that's reasonable, right, that's you can do a
five k in a half hour whatever, you know, whatever,
it's a species.

Speaker 15 (01:39:36):
We have advanced technologically beyond the need to use our
feet for anything.

Speaker 8 (01:39:39):
For k venmo is my PayPal is this. I'd love
the client.

Speaker 7 (01:39:44):
K Let me get right on that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:46):
Yeah, do you for that ten k?

Speaker 5 (01:39:48):
Hats off to her for running that she can stay
in the women's Please ask her not to identify as
a middle aged man. She as she ran the Boston
Marathon in like two twenty.

Speaker 7 (01:39:58):
No, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:40:00):
Good. That's a really good time.

Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
Yeah, she came in one hundred and forty fourth out
of women in her age group.

Speaker 15 (01:40:04):
That's a really good time. She still came one hundred
and by the.

Speaker 6 (01:40:06):
Way, she had had a baby six months prior.

Speaker 8 (01:40:09):
Yeah, that's more athletic than all.

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
As I pointed out, I legitimately meant I could not
fit into my normal genes for you know, in six
months after I had a baby at forty So that's
not a thing I'm doing. What Now, it's time for
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Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
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Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
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Speaker 7 (01:40:31):
Please?

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
Before I get to the dad joke, I want to
make a quick mentioning. So I'm gonna dedicated his dad
joke to a dear friend of ours, former mayor of Longmont. Yeah,
and a family friend, Brian Baum, who, after fifteen years
as unfortunately passed lost the well, not lost. The battle
of cancer has come to a close. So for meat him,
this dad joke is for Brian again. Awesome, awesome guy.

(01:40:52):
Oh and this is for my mother. He loved a
good honk and wave in the community.

Speaker 14 (01:40:56):
Honk and wave.

Speaker 8 (01:40:57):
Yeah, out there, honking wave from mister Brian Baum.

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
All Right, my friend, the mayor in my city just
passed a law that male best friends have to have
lunch together at least once a week.

Speaker 8 (01:41:09):
Okay, well it's not a law, it's a mandate.

Speaker 6 (01:41:11):
Oh god, yeah, so much.

Speaker 5 (01:41:17):
That's that's fine. That's just keep on going. What's our
what's our word of the day, please, sir?

Speaker 16 (01:41:22):
It is an adjective adjective tonic phonic, but it's spelt
c h th h h th hic tonic c h t.

Speaker 7 (01:41:34):
H O N.

Speaker 6 (01:41:35):
I see, I have to do with the like Chilula
monster or whatever it's called.

Speaker 8 (01:41:41):
And I wish I could.

Speaker 15 (01:41:42):
It's it just belonging to a certain group, but I
can't remember what the group is.

Speaker 8 (01:41:46):
Se I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
Sonicthonicic it means of or relating to the underworld.

Speaker 5 (01:41:56):
One sixty fourth credit for that, seriously underworld. Indeed, this
is a gimme. This is a super easy, easy trivia question.
The first Indiana Jones film, Raiders of the Lost Dark,
was released in nineteen eighty one. What is the title
of the second film in the series, released in nineteen
eighty four?

Speaker 8 (01:42:15):
Temple of Course?

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
Yeah, Jones and the Temple of Due.

Speaker 8 (01:42:18):
I forgot which one?

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
She Capshaw ruined that movie. All she did was scream
to the Spielberg the only reason she was in this movie?

Speaker 8 (01:42:25):
Correct, Yeah, Spielberg Davis, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:42:28):
All right, I got the h I got ready to go.
What's our category today?

Speaker 8 (01:42:31):
What's for breakfast?

Speaker 6 (01:42:32):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:42:33):
What's for breakfast?

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
A Spanish word for a little donkey gives us the
name of this Mexican favorite. You can have one filled
with eggs, zach brito, That is correct. This breakfast favorite
is also known as Payne Perdue.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
Zach Zach is correct, that's killing us.

Speaker 4 (01:42:53):
This brand named for a fictional relative offers pancake max.

Speaker 6 (01:42:58):
It was Auntjemima.

Speaker 8 (01:42:59):
It was correct.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
The original McDonald's egg McMuffin is made with this type
of meat and not know this Benu?

Speaker 8 (01:43:07):
What is ham?

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
Wrong?

Speaker 8 (01:43:11):
No cork sauce?

Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
Noma take it. I'm sitting this one out.

Speaker 8 (01:43:17):
Specifically labeled here Canadian bacon.

Speaker 6 (01:43:19):
Oh, that's what it is, bacon. They are not the
same thing. Wrong Canadian bacon bacon, it's ham has one miss?

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
The cereal isle has these two rhyming brands, a corn
puff Cereal and one that's specifically not for rabbits.

Speaker 6 (01:43:42):
What is tricks and kicks for egg?

Speaker 8 (01:43:45):
Coming in from behind?

Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
Thank God to tie. You get a minus one when
you get one wrong, you have one?

Speaker 8 (01:43:57):
First went down from two to one.

Speaker 7 (01:43:59):
She went up.

Speaker 6 (01:44:00):
I missed your first one. There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:44:03):
The only time I run is from the cops. I've
got the paid off.

Speaker 6 (01:44:06):
Stop it stop it. What what's coming up on? K
are you doing short show?

Speaker 8 (01:44:12):
Because we got the Rockies coming up?

Speaker 6 (01:44:14):
So watch what time is the game?

Speaker 15 (01:44:16):
I think four thirties when we're off the airs Rockies
cover starts.

Speaker 5 (01:44:19):
He's Ryan Edwards here today. I got to make sure
he's going to go to the Ryan day at the Rocky.

Speaker 8 (01:44:23):
He was talking about.

Speaker 15 (01:44:26):
Apparently there is a day only for Ryan's, like he
should be that special.

Speaker 5 (01:44:30):
Not all only for Brian Ryan's, but the Ryans fed
up is going to meet up at the Rockies game,
trying to get as many Ryans, not Brian's. Brian's not allowed.
Brian texted me and said, I had no idea I
had beef with the Ryans. I'm like, well, you may
not have beef with them, but they got beef with you.

Speaker 6 (01:44:46):
So there you go. Keep your eyeballs open.

Speaker 8 (01:44:49):
Brian Baum I no, no, no, Brian's allowed.

Speaker 7 (01:44:53):
He can go.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
No, Brian's allowed none.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
I will be back on Monday, Monday and Tuesday, and
then I am off the Korean to pay. So we're
gonna enjoy it for the first two days. They'll all
stink on the bus togay. It will be awful.

Speaker 7 (01:45:05):
We'll be back.

Speaker 6 (01:45:06):
Keep it on gateway