06-02-25 FULL SHOW - The Intifada Comes To Boulder

Mandy talked about the terror attack against some peaceful marchers who were marching for the Israeli hostages. She spoke with Rep. Ron Weinberg to get his thoughts, the interviewed ADF attorney Suzanne Beecher about a lawsuit over free speech infringed by a trans rights, she also talked about Mike Lindell's defamation lawsuit and this year's Uncle John's bathroom reader.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:26):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to a What's today? Oh yeah, it's
Monday edition of the show. It's a Monday feels like
Thursday for me. I will be doing the show today
and tomorrow and then we are off. Now, if you
are going with us to Korea and Japan and you're
thinking to yourself, wait a minute, Mandy, we're not leaving
until Thursday. That is correct. You are leaving on Thursday.

(00:48):
I am leaving on Wednesday because we are doing a
whole tour of the DMZ on our own, and we
wanted to have the opportunity to kind of go and
march around some of Chuck's old stomping rounds. So I
will be gone from Wednesday and then not back for
a really long time. So it's a long vacation to

(01:09):
go to Japan, but it's a long flight just to
get there. Ay, Rod, what's the longest flight you've ever
been on?

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Seven hours to Hawaii, probably from San Francisco to Soul, Korea,
twelve hours forty five minutes time.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Uh, stop all the way through. That's a nonstose. Well,
we got to fly from here to San frank Yeah, yeah,
and then San Franz straight time. I don't know, maybe
noon Pacific time, one o'clock Pacific time, something like that. No,
you don't do a red eye that way. You do
a red eye coming back. Oh lord, yeah, flying you
know back, You're gonna do a red eye that way.

(01:44):
So red eye that way. Yeah, you'll be right. Oh no,
I got all kinds of stuff planned. We'll talk about
that a little bit later on the stop. So obviously
there's some big news out of Boulder yesterday. If you
tuned into KAA to find out what was going on,
you may have heard our life cover with me and
our newsman Steve and Rob Dawson, and then Rosskominsky popped in.

(02:05):
Let's do the blog and then we'll get right into
that because it's a pretty significant thing right now. Find
the blog by going to mandy'sblog dot com. Look for
the headline in the latest post section that says six
two twenty five blog The Intafauna comes to Boulder. Click
on that and here are the headlines you will find within.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
I think the office half of American all with ships
and clipments of press plant.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Today on the blog, the indefauna has been globalized in Boulder,
uh scrolling scrolling. A lawsuit has been filed over SB
twenty five twelve thirteen. Help Dad get smarter in the can.
We've got a measles outbreak. More records for the comically
bad Rockies. Congrats to mister and missus Travis Hunter scrolling

(02:51):
My first, my boobs and now Caldera's plugs. Mike Lindell
is getting his day in court. Go tubing. Read this
first Your twenty two twenty five guide to summer festivals.
Ukraine attacks Russian air bases. Democrat polling is as bad
as it's ever been. Jamie Diamond is warning of the
upcoming debt crisis. The dog's finger pointing has begun. Eagle

(03:13):
County's green over each gets clobbered by the supremes. Exercise
is better than drugs. That's stopping cancer. So many mass shootings.
This guy had to make one up. That Algerian boxer
seems to be a dude. Safety tips for women in
parking lots, Sco Bucks season tickets, Denver is losing residents now,
the Governor's Bridge to Nowhere isn't popular. Yes, boys, you

(03:37):
will turn into your dad. Those are the headlines on
the blog at mandy'sblog dot com. A Rod of course
here with me. I am Mandy Connell. Forgot to introduce myself.
I just started talking because that's what I do sometimes. Ay, Rod,
are you becoming your dad yet? You're a homeowner, you're
a husband, You've got responsibilities. How much of dad Rod

(03:59):
come out in a rod?

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Like nine of those things in that video, which is
like one of the funniest videos I've seen a long time,
and it's so good.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
It is a very funny video. At the bottom of
the block. And I got to tell you, when my
kids are in town, my oldest son Ryan walked by
one of his dad's shirts that was hanging on a
door because we had already kind of started getting closes
ready for the trip, and he looked at it. He goes, Wow,
really like that shirt. And his wife goes, what, what
are you like that shirt? He's like, yeah, it's a
really cool shirt.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
It happens, Yeah, company happens sketchers all day, which minor stylish.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
So that's a little different like mowing the lawn. Yeah, oh,
he didn't notice. He didn't go for he went straight
to new Balance in the video Anthony straight to New Balance.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
No, I'm not going out the ultimate dad shoe. The
only shoes my husband wears, and he does so proudly
and happily. You can make fun of.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Him all you want, Zoomers, I'm a stylin version. I'm
a stylin version. But all those things in that video
pretty dang true.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I would like to say a big thank you to
gen Z and Jen Alpha for refusing to jump on
the incredibly uncomfortable shoe bandwagon. Because I had to go
buy some new sandals. I'm a sneakers person. If I
could wear sneakers every moment of every day, I probably would.
I'm like the straight Ellen, degenerous, only prettier and in

(05:18):
that way. And I went to buy sandals and I
was like, oh God, am I going to look at
like row after row of sky high idiotic shoes. But
there's a zero percent chance I'm gonna wear no a rod.
The answer was no, you know what's in sensible shoes.
So not only am I happy, I am in style.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
There is a cohesive relationship between style and comfort. In
twenty twenty five, Yes, a really great thing.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yes, indeedy. By the way, you guys, we are going
to take that press conference at two thirty about what
happened yesterday and Boulder, and I want to jump in.
I know I'm being very light and frivolous, but what
we had happened here yesterday was the globalization of the intafauna.
When people on the left you shan't globalize the Intafada,

(06:04):
This is what they mean. It means that people should
then attack people for being Jewish or supporting Jews, which
was going on yesterday. And if you have not gotten
the story, let me do a quick rundown for you.
There was an organization that has arranged every single Sunday

(06:27):
since the attacks of October seventh, twenty twenty three. They
have walked down the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder simply
to remind people that there are still hostages being held.
They don't want people to forget that they are real,
live humans. We believe that half about half of them
are still alive. Half of them are more than half
are dead, but they just want the bodies back so

(06:48):
they can have a proper burial. So every Sunday, this
group of people walks up and down the mall with
the sole purpose of reminding people that people are still
being held captive in Gaza by hum That's their entire mission.
They didn't disrupt things, they didn't go down during the
farmer's market, they didn't try and create a problem. They

(07:09):
didn't get in people's faces and scream and yell. They
just walked up and down Pearl Street to remind people
that human beings are still being held hostage. Because in
all of the stirm and drawing about everything else that
is happening between the Mos and the Israelis, they just
don't want people to forget why that israel is still
fighting right because the Moss will not let these people go. Now,

(07:34):
I heard my friend Krista, and I consider Christa a friend,
and I know that her heart is the heart of
someone who is a religious person, who believes in God
and who tries to walk the godly path, which is,
you know, concern for everyone, love everyone, love your enemy,
do all of that stuff. But I am feeling far

(07:55):
less charitable than she is and with this entire situation
is that now we have not just this event. It
was what last month, maybe six weeks ago that someone
tried to burn down the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion with the
governor and his Jewish family inside. And then of course

(08:18):
last week ten days ago, we have a couple coming
out of a Jewish museum and a crazy left winger
flew from Chicago just to murder them. He didn't know them,
by the way, didn't even know if they were Jewish
or not. They were coming out of a Jewish museum,
and that was enough for this guy. Just like this man,
this Egyptian man, who came here to our great nation

(08:42):
on a tourist visa, and when he overstayed his visa
and became an illegal immigrant, the Biden administration rewarded him
with a work permit, and because of that, he was
still here. And because of that he decided to go
out check find on the internet. We now know, specifically
looked up this organization who was doing this terrible thing,

(09:04):
which was walking up and down the Pearl Street mall,
just reminding people that human beings are being held captive
by hamas because they don't get talked about a lot,
and he just decided that was beyond the pale. Those
people had to be stopped, because God forbid. We remind
people on a daily basis the monsters that are running Hamas,

(09:24):
the monsters that have been in charge of the Gaza Strip,
that have built thousands of tunnels, hundreds of kilometers of
tunnels rather than taking care of the Palestinian people. We
know that we can't have people talking about the fact
that Hamas is asking the Palestinians to starve rather than
take aid that they may possibly at some point may

(09:45):
have had some connection to Israel. Can't talk about that. No,
we've got to show up at a peaceful march that
happened once a week for eighty weeks to try and
set elderly people on fire. I'm not feeling charitable because,
you know what, in my society, in my world, in

(10:06):
the civilized United States of America, that's not your go
to action as a political statement normally. But we're entering
into a new era, a new era of left wing violence,
a new era where it becomes okay to throw an
incendiary device on an eighty eight year old person. And

(10:27):
there's so many people that are that are literally sitting
and looking the other way right now, like, oh oh,
I don't know how this happened. All the Biden administration,
you know, administrators who not only did nothing to secure
the southern border, which by the way, apparently can be
done because it's happening right now. Southern border is pretty
dang secure right now compared to how it was before.

(10:49):
All of those people that did nothing about people like
this guy who came from Egypt, which you know what
I realized they're a quote ally, I'm putting air quotes
around that, but philosophically, ideologically, we don't have anything in
common with Egypt other than we don't want the Palestinian
people here. Because if you don't think that Egypt has

(11:13):
a big beautiful wall between them and the Gaza Strip,
you're not paying attention. Don't forget. It wasn't that long
ago that the Egyptian people elected the Muslim Brotherhood into
power in Egypt. And this guy comes over from Egypt,
which I you know, I guess everybody needs to visit
the Great Satan every once in a while. I mean,
that's the only thing I can imagine. He comes over here,

(11:35):
he overstays his tourist visa, and instead of being deported
like he should have been, he's given a work permit,
a work permit that allowed him to plan an attack
on elderly Jewish people. What a great country this is,
you know, my frustrations are so far beyond this attack.

(11:57):
My frustrations are and I'm having a conversation earlier today
with a very good friend of mine who has a
lot of Jewish family. She herself is not Jewish, but
she has a lot of Jewish family, and she said,
you know, I'm concerned that these attacks are you know,
are going to make people make Jews more of a

(12:18):
target if they get special protections. And I was like,
what what are you talking about? Special protections Like you
should be able to have a peaceful march eighty times
in a row without expecting someone to come down and
try and set you on fire. I'm genuinely confused by that.

(12:41):
You know, the Jews are in an untenable position because
no matter what they do, people will find a reason
to hate them. It has happened since the beginning of time. Now,
if you believe in the Old Testament, Biblical God, the
vengeance God, the angry God, you know what did the
Jews do to him? He says, you're my chosen people,

(13:04):
but then he sends them into the world so everyone
else can hate them and torture them and chase them
to the ends of the earth, you know, for people.
And don't get me wrong, I don't want I don't
want a single Palestinian child to be killed. But what
I also don't want is them to be taught how
to make bomb belts in kindergarten, which is what's happening

(13:27):
in the Gaza strip. I don't want one single mother
to be killed, but I also don't want a mother
to turn around in a market and tell her child, Hey,
you better hurry up, or the dirty Jews are gonna
come and eat you, which is what's happening in the
Gaza strip. And I'm not making this stuff up. We
have to not just defeat Hamas, but it is increasingly

(13:51):
my view that Iran has I mean, Israel has no
choice but to march right over Iran, destabilize them entirely,
and hope that somebody better takes over. Because Iran is
the head of the monster and until there's regime change
in Iran, nothing will ever be safe for Israel. Nothing
will ever be safe for Jews. And by the way,

(14:13):
if you have Jewish friends, pick up the phone, give
them a call and say, I am really sorry that
you are living through a time where you and your
family may feel unsafe because it's not fair, it's not
right at all, and yet here we are, and there
are so many things that went wrong to do this.

(14:35):
There's so many things that happened to allow this to happen.
And it happened in Boulder. What cracked me up, and
I don't mean cracked me up.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
Aha.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
I saw a news account that said Mohammed Salami or
whatever his name is, he's from El Paso County. I'm like, no,
he's not. He's an illegal immigrant living in Egypt. He's
from Egypt and he's not from El Paso County. He
may have put some roots down there. The other part
about this that we're not even getting into yet because
it's all too new and we still I'm angry about this.

(15:09):
But what does this do for legal immigrants who happen
to come from Muslim countries, who love this country, who
are citizens and happy or want to become citizens because
they want to live the American dream? How much more difficult?
Does this make it for them? Because I also know
people that fit into that category. I know people from
Egypt that fit into that category who left Egypt because

(15:29):
of the oppressive nature, the violence, the culture of violence
that exists in Middle Eastern countries, and they came here
to be free and live with their families. And now
this Yahoo is going to create a problem that makes
things more difficult for them. It's absolutely terrible. I mean
absolutely terrible. Okay, coming up on the show today at

(15:50):
twelve thirty, we are going to talk to Representative Ron Weinberg.
Obviously he wants to come on and talk about what's
happened here. I believe he's Jewish, and I know you're
gonna laugh and you're like, his last name is Weinberg.
I try not to assume based on you know, names,
but he did reach out and I'd like to talk
to him about this. And then a little bit later
in the show we are we do have other news

(16:12):
that we're gonna talk about. A lawsuit has been filed
against SB twelve thirteen. That was the incredibly onerous bill
that was passed that tries to force and compel speech
when it comes to trans people. It's a terrible bill
and now on behalf of Xxxy, which is the sportswear
company started by Jennifer Say. They are now suing on

(16:36):
free speech grounds and I think they may have a case.
We shall see. And then at two point thirty, I
am supposed to talk to one of my favorite interviews
I do it every year, Brian Boone from Uncle John's
Bathroom Reader. But I'm trying to move that to two
o'clock because we're gonna take that press conference at two
thirty about what's happening in Boulder. I would love to

(16:56):
hear from you guys via the text line.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
What do you do with this?

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Because this morning I reached out. I thought about it
last night and this morning and I reached out to
Susan Wickin, You guys know, my longtime newswoman, my longtime
friend and one of the happiest, most wonderful Jews I know,
and I just wanted to leave her a message. It's
a holiday today, so I didn't think she would pick
up the phone, but I just wanted to leave her

(17:23):
a message and say, I don't even know what to
say here, except I won't just be behind you. I
will be in front of you. I'm not going to
stand by and let anybody do this again, not on
my watch. And as a matter of fact, though I'm
super excited to go to Korea in Japan this week,
I wish I wasn't because wouldn't it be amazing if

(17:43):
Pearl Street next Sunday at two o'clock was full of
people who showed up to march to remind people that
there are still human beings held in Gaza on behalf
of the people who are going to be recovering in
a hospital for some time or not able to go
make that walk again for the eighty first time. If

(18:05):
I were going to be here, I would lead the parade.
But I sure hope that Boulder the Christian community would
stand up and say this is not okay in our town.
This is not okay in our community, and we're not
going to allow it to fester. The mayor of Boulder,
i was told by someone in the know, has in
the past sort of not condoned some anti semitism but

(18:30):
refused to take a strong stand against it. It's going
to be very interesting to see what the city of
Boulder does now, Mandy, now that Boulder terrorist is one
that should be shipped to El Salvador prisons. No, I
want him to be in prison here for a very,
very very long time, So that is definitely what I want. Anyway,

(18:53):
we're gonna take a quick time out when we get back,
We're going to talk to Representative Ron Weinberg about his
thoughts on all this. Keep it right here on away
people who were peacefully marching on Pearl Street to remind
others that there are human beings being held by Hamas
as we speak, after it was interrupted by a man
who threw incendiary devices at elderly people in an effort

(19:14):
to stop them. In support of the Palestinians and joining
me now to comment on that. The only Jewish Republican
in the State House here, Representative Ron Weinberg, is from
House Strebert fifty one. He's from Loveland, represented Weinberg. Welcome
the show. First of all, thank you, thank you so
very much for covering this well. First of all, I'd

(19:35):
just like you to give your thoughts on what went
on yesterday.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
You know, out of disbelief almost that something could even
happen like that. I mean, a guy with five five kids, Hey,
how much how much mental illness? Do you have to
have to throw gasoline and people and set them on fire?
And we're not talking about twenty year olds, what we're
talking about elderly.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah. I'm not inclined to call it mental illness. I'm
inclined to call it a level of hatred that is
so deeply ingrained from a very young age in many
cultures in the Middle East, that this is the belief
system that this man has embraced. And I think he

(20:21):
did it because he thought it was a good idea,
and he thought it because these people deserve to suffer.
That's what I think about this. So you can take
a different view on that, but that is those are
my thoughts on it. So what exactly can you or
any of us here in Colorado do in this situation?
What would you recommend?

Speaker 6 (20:41):
I'd recommend paying attention to who your politicians are, you know,
houspil or Senate Bill two seventy six that just passed
this session that give that grants illegal immigrants US constitutional protections.
I don't know if you know anyone's aware of that.
So wait, wait, what's coming up of state legislature?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Wait wait say that again.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
Yeah, sen it built twenty five Desk two seven six
grants the rights of Constitution to be applied to illegal immigrants.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
The US Constitution. Yes, okay, great that nothing surprises me
at this point. You yourself for an immigrant, tell me
your views on the legal immigration process, and you know
any feelings that you might have about people trying to
circumvent that and come here illegally.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
Oh, very frustrating, to be honest. I mean, I moved
here from South Africa and it took me, I think
sixteen years total to finally get my citizenship.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
My brother is still waiting.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
He's on the Dreamer Act, and he's been here since
he was twelve years old and now he's thirty six.
My parents just got this citizenship I think for years ago,
and they've been here since two thousand and one. So yeah,
we've definitely gone through the ringer with this immigration stuff.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Representative Weinberg, I liked you to explain something to me,
and this is I'm trying to think of a delicate
way to ask this question and not sound like a jerk.
But overwhelmingly in the United States Jewish politicians are in
the Democratic Party. Why do you differ from the rest
of the Jews that are in politics.

Speaker 6 (22:28):
You know, that's that's an interesting question. They call me
the junicorn down there.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
I I I'm sorry, that's really funny.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
I don't really understand it. I don't know how and
you know what I'm gonna I'm going to go backwards
on you. I think they're the ones that differ. I
think the Conservative Party is the Republican Party is the
place for the Jews. It's not the Democrats. I mean,
they've shown that time and time. You know, when October

(23:02):
seventh happened, you know, two years ago and all the
anti Semitism happened in the House of Representatives chamber, that
should have been the clear writing on the wall that
no Jews should ready back to the Democratic Party.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
I've got to tell you, there were definitely I'm thinking,
of course, of Tim Hernandez and what's her name, the
other lady, thank you, Elizabeth Epps, that decided to DeCamp
from the floor and go sit with Palestinian protesters. I'd
like the opportunity to ask them if this is the
globalized the Indevada that they've been looking for, and are
you really you said you were kind of surprised that

(23:37):
it happened here, but We've also had over the last
couple of months, someone tried to burn down the mansion
of the Pennsylvania governor with his family in it. We've
had two people murdered outside of a Jewish museum. Why
would we be immune here in Colorado?

Speaker 6 (23:51):
You know, that's that's also a great question, and that's
where that's where I think being Jewish it is an
interesting thing because you forget that, like you rightly said,
it's not a mental illness, it's this it's this indoctrination
of hatred. And that's exactly what's happened.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Is that what we as used go.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
Through as we go through kind of this denial period,
like oh, you know, people don't hate us, and we
kind of get complacent and then all of a sudden
something happens and we're like, holy crap, we are still hated,
and we kind of have to get back to the
reminder that people truly do want to throw gasoline on
us and watch us spurn and supper. And it's it's

(24:34):
something hard for the Jewis community to get a grip around,
because you know, the Jewish people, we typically are pretty
peaceful and live and let live, you know, So I
think that's that's what happens with the Jewish culture, at
least in Colorado, and we just we forgot that we
could still be attacked.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
I hate to say it, but I would like to
think that my Jewish friends and I actually left a
message for my friend this morning and said, hey, if
you want to go to the range, if you they
want to learn how to shoot, I would be more
than happy to to help you with this. And I
hate to say it, but if I am a Jewish
person right now, I am learning how to protect myself
because I don't think this is going to be the
last thing that happens. Maybe nothing else happens in Bolder.

(25:14):
I don't know, but I'm darner going to be able
to protect myself and my family in a public environment
where obviously they're not able to protect be protected by
the authorities. Police can't be everywhere at one time. And
this guy demonstrates clearly to me that when someone decides
that they are going to wreak havoc and they are
going to try and set people on fire, we could

(25:36):
have no flame thrower rules all over the place, They're
still going to show up and do it. So it's
sad to me that I would say, I'm encouraging people
to learn how to protect themselves, but what is the
other option? And at least they live in a country
where they can protect themselves.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
Correct and quite frankly to your point. To further the point,
non lethal. If this guy got shot by somebody carrying
a concealed carry, it just got shot in the legs.
For Pete's sake, a non lethal hit.

Speaker 7 (26:03):
They wouldn't have been this disaster.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
So yeah, I encourage people to do the same as well.

Speaker 7 (26:09):
The best one of the best constitutional.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
Rights of the Second Amendment.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Amen to that. Representative Uh, let me try that again,
Representative Ron Weinberg, do you have any final comments before
we run out of time.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
All I've got is quickly to say is we've got
to get this three bronch one way Democrat legislative, Executive
and judicial, Supreme Court, the governor and the Senate of
the House. We need control of one of them if
we want to see any change in the state.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Amen to that. Appreciate your time, Representative Weinberg, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 9 (26:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Got a lot of text messages weighing in right now. Mandy.
I wonder what the Australian military gentleman you had on
a couple of weeks ago, thinks about this. That was
Colonel Michael Scott. And if you miss that, I'm never
going to forget his name because I always think of
the office when I say hit. He was a great guest.
He's not surprised. He's not surprised. Boulder is a good target,

(27:04):
says this Texter. No armed citizens, Exactly why do you
think this guy drove up from El Paso County. Yes,
it was because they were marching, but I understand they
also march in wash Park, so he chose he chose
to go where there are no armed people. Hey, Mandy,
I don't know if you know it, but Pearl Street
Mall is a gun free zone. What a shame?

Speaker 6 (27:24):
Right?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (27:25):
That's the problem. Obviously they forgot to make it a
no molotov cocktail zone. If only they'd had those signs,
this whole thing would have been averted. Dude would have
walked up and been like, oh, dang it, no molotov cocktails.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Crap crap.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
It does point out how stupid the whole thing is. Mandy.
If I was thinking like a Democrat, I would walk
around saying we need to ban gasoline because of the
Boulder tragedy. Sean gasoline doesn't kill people. People kill people. Okay, Mandy,
you keep calling it HB twenty five, thirteen twelve. It's
SB twenty five thirteen twelve. Please update your references to

(28:07):
reflect the correct information you guys on the blog. I
even have SB twenty five twelve thirteen. I don't know
why it's stuck in my head, but I will try
and fix the text. And as a matter of fact,
we're going to talk to someone at one o'clock about
that from the Alliance Defending Freedom when we get back.
I have a challenge. I have a challenge and I

(28:28):
can't even be here to participate in it, and I
feel rotten about that. But we have to shut this down.
We have to say we're better than this. At the
end of the side hustle show that I do with
my friend deb Flora, we always issue a kindness challenge
to have people go out and do little acts of
kindness as they go into the world, and I always
do them. I want to participate. Well, I have a challenge.

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I don't know how to set it up. I'm putting
it out into the world right now on the radio.
If you are the minister of a church, the organizer
of a group of people that believe that it's time
to stand up and have your voice heard against any
kind of racism and hate and terror and all of
this stuff. I need somebody to spearhead a walk this

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weekend on the Pearl Street mall. I'm going to be
in Korea and Japan or I would take this on
and do it, but I think it's a perfect way,
especially for people of faith, to be heard. Imagine if
Pearl Street next Sunday afternoon was full of people who
were there not just to remind people that hostages are
being held in Gaza, which is what the people were

(29:35):
walking yesterday were doing, but to say we're here to
support those people who can't be here because they're in
the hospital. And you know, none of these people died.
But I have one friend from long ago who was
in a terrible car accident and was severely burned, and
I have to tell you I would rather deal with

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pretty much any other sort of injury other than being burned.
It's a brutal recovery, and these people, if they are
severely burned, we still don't know the extent of their injuries.
I hope it's so minor that they're all going to
go home this afternoon with some aloe and call it
a day. But we don't know the extent of their injuries, right,
so we don't know how long these recoveries are going

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to take, but they're certainly not going to be out
walking them all. What a powerful statement it would be
if you got your congregation after church on Sunday to say,
you know what, we're driving a boulder, We're going to
Pearl Street, We're going to go on that march. We're
going to make a poster that says we're here to
be the voice for the people that cannot be here today.

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Just we've got to do something. We have to just
say that this is not okay in our society. There's
gonna be a lot of politicking about this, and Representative
Weinberg did a little bit of politicking there, and you
know he's a politician, So what are you going to do?
But right now, it just there needs to be a
united voice. If you think that the Israel situation is

(31:01):
more complex, maybe you're on the side in a way
of the Palestinian people. I would urge you to go
out and say this is not okay. Your voice would
matter more in a lot of ways, right, I mean,
I don't know. Like I said, if I was going
to be here, I would spearhead this. But I will
say this, if you or someone from your organization can

(31:22):
help spear hit this, reach out, I'll tell you to
reach out to because ay Rod, when do you start
the morning shift? Dragon? Going on this vacation has thrown
all of our producers into a tizzy because they all
cannot do their normal schedule. But I want to find
a way that we can help publicize it. And I'm
gonna commit whatever host is going to be here on

(31:43):
Thursday or Friday to making sure that happens. I'll find
out more information if you want to send me an email,
We'll make sure that we get the word out. But
someone's got to do it, you guys. It's not enough
anymore to just go oh, that's terrible. It's not enough
to say, you know, to our Jewish friends, I have
your back. We've got to say I'm going to be

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in front. I'm not going to stand by and let
this happen again in any way, shape or form. The
harmonical man himself, Jimmy perfect. I can tell you with
complete authority that Jimmy Seckenberger will be all in to
support this because it's not about whether or not you
support Israel. It's not about whether you support the Palestinians.

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It's about saying, this kind of violence is not okay.
This is not how we do things in the United
States of America. So, you know, we shall see a
lot of people are sort of making hey, They're like, oh,
where's Jared Polis. Jared Polis issued a very good statement yesterday,
two of them actually, and there's not anything Jared Police

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can do at this moment. So I'm not giving Jared
Polish any guff because not only is the governor of
the state, he's also a Jewish man himself. He's got
two kids. How do you not worry as a Jewish
man with two kids that you're not a target? Is
the governor of a state? I don't know. The whole
thing is devastating. We may revisit this at the end

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of the show, but coming up next finally, we're going
to have a lawyer from the Alliance Defending Freedom. They
are suing on behalf of Xxxy Sportswear about HB twenty
five thirteen twelve See Texter, I told you I'd get
it right.

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Speaker 4 (33:51):
Bab Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the second hour of the show.
We're going to shift gears entirely, although we will be airing.
The press conference is coming up at two thirty about
the situation in Boulder. But joining me now another situation
in Colorado, but this one, thankfully not violent. It's a lawsuit,
and this particular lawsuit is directed at HB twenty five

(34:13):
Dash thirteen twelve, a law that couches itself as a
trans write bill. But in reality, the way I view
it and other many other people view it, is that
it's an attack on free speech. And Joining me now
from the Alliance Defending Freedom legal counsel Suzanne Beecher to
talk about the lawsuit that's been filed on behalf of
sportswear company XXXY. Suzanne, Welcome the show. First of all, well, yeah,

(34:40):
So tell me a little bit about the lawsuit and
what's in it, specifically, what you guys are arguing about
this House bill.

Speaker 10 (34:48):
Yeah. So Colorado is in this case once again censoring
the speech of its citizens and trying to force them
to instead speak the state's message. So, in this case,
Alliance Defending Freedom represents at xx Y Athletics and challenging
a recently past Colorado law that infringes on the free
speech rights of businesses. So, for those who aren't familiar

(35:08):
with xxx Y, it's an athletic retailer that's based in Colorado,
and it was founded in response to the increase in
the number of males who were competing in and often
displacing female athletes in their own sports. So, consistent with
its mission to protect women's sports, it's the practice OFXXY
to refer to males who identify as female, including males

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competing in women's sports, using biologically accurate pronouns and given names.
But under Colorado's law, they're prohibited from doing this. This
is a clear First Amendment violation. So ADF is representing
XXXY and challenging this law.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
I have to ask this question because this was the
first thing that popped into my head about this lawsuit.
Do you have to wait to be damaged before you
sue because this is a preemptive strike. Could the judges
look at this and say, well, you haven't been horror
You know, there's no demonstration of harm here. How does
that process work?

Speaker 10 (36:04):
Yeah, So, particularly in the area of constitutional violations like
threats to free speech, if it's clear that the law
applies to the plaintiff, the person or entity challenging the
regulation or the law, then they're allowed to bring it
before they've actually been harmed. Okay, So that's like you said,
this is a pre enforcement channel. So that's what's happening

(36:26):
because they fall squarely and their speech falls squarely into
what's being regulated by the law.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
What are some of the potential penalties that XXXY Athletics
could face if they chose to continue? And I love
their advertising. I think it's amazing, but they do call
boys and girls sports boys. What kind of penalties could
they face if they continue without kind of advertising? In Colorado, the.

Speaker 10 (36:49):
Penalties for violing this law are steep, so they are
up to thirty five hundred dollars per violation, in addition
to civil and potentially criminal penalties. This is a clear
First Amendment issue. Americans should be free to speak the
truth on biological reality, and here Colorado is censoring xxxife

(37:10):
from expressing a message that's central to its mission.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
And this is I'm going to ask you a tactic,
and you can tell me that you don't want to
talk about your tactics right now. But are we going
to hear an argument about biological sex being biological sex?
I mean, is that going to make it into the case.
Are we going to get to a point where we
have to demonstrate that they're only speaking the truth? So

(37:35):
I think in this.

Speaker 10 (37:36):
Case that's not even what the court really needs to
look at. In this case, what we're seeing is viewpoint
and content based restrictions on speech, which is a clear
First Amendment violation. Like this is where speech is at
its most protected. And the reason for this is that,
as we know, free speech is crucial to a healthy society,

(37:56):
and so particularly in this case, when they're silencing one
side of a debate that's at the center of public discourse,
in the center of public debate, that's the issue here,
is that they're silencing a viewpoint because they disfavor it.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
And then even more, they're trying.

Speaker 10 (38:11):
To compel businesses like XXXY to express a viewpoint that
they disagree with and that cannot be countenance under the
First Amendment.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
So what is the expected out Not expected, but what
is the desired outcome. Do you wish to have the
entire law thrown out? What does that look like if
you win?

Speaker 10 (38:30):
Yeah, so here we would be hopeful that businesses like
XXXY would not be forced to speak a message contrary
to there so, forced to use names and pronouns to
refer to people in a way that's not biologically accurate.
So yeah, we would hope that not just our client,
but that no businesses or individuals in Colorado would be
forced to have their free speech violated like that.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
I don't have a lot of confidence and I'm not
asking you to weigh in on this because you're going
to probably be in front of them. The Colorado Supreme
Court is known for issuing hot garbage rulings in my opinion,
when it comes to things like this, is this a
case that we could potentially see end up in the
US Supreme Court or is this the law?

Speaker 10 (39:15):
Yeah, it certainly would not be unprecedented. So ADF has
actually represented just in the last decade two clients out
of Colorado in free speech challenges to Colorado's laws, actually
to the same cod of the Colorado Anti Discrimination Act,
and both clients.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Have won at the Supreme Court.

Speaker 10 (39:33):
So one was three H three Creative, which was a
challenge to a Colorado law that would require website designer
Laurie Smith to custom design websites that expressed messages that were.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
In violation of her belief.

Speaker 10 (39:46):
So in that case, the Supreme Court ruled for Laurie
and said that the Colorado law was a violation of
the First Amendment. So we're hopeful that in this case,
if it were to go all the way up, that
there would again be a victory for free speech.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
The thing that's a little bit different with the case
over the three H three website case or the Jack
Phillips case, there's not really a religious component to this case.
Xxx y is a business. They are not in a
religious business. They're just a business. So does that make
it easier or harder or the same.

Speaker 10 (40:18):
So I think in this case, like you're saying, there's
not the additional religious claim, which is you know, another
clause at the First Amendment but because the violation here
is silencing viewpoints and compelling speech, Really the free speech
thing is the clearer harm here, That's the clearer constitutional violation.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
I know that this was recently filed, but what kind
of timeline are we looking at when, because I'll be
following this very very closely. What kind of timeline are
we looking at before we'll have any kind of motion
forward on this? Or is there a trial timeline? What's
the what's what comes next?

Speaker 10 (40:53):
So litigation timelines are of course notoriously hard to predict.
So I think it's hard to say, but well, we
could be hopeful for is potentially an earlier ruling that
would protect the free speech rights, you know, finding that
these the clients are likely to prevail because their rights
are clearly violated by the law.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
So it's hard to say.

Speaker 10 (41:14):
We'll have to see just how the timeline unfolds, but
we're optimistic that the courts will find for free speech
and we'll protect the rights of xxx Y and other
Colorado businesses to speak biological reality and to speak consistently
with their mission.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
I think the word we're looking for is speak freely,
speaking freely, Suzanne Beecher, She's with the Alliance for Defending Freedom.
If you're not familiar with their work, I put a
link to their website today because they are doing an
incredible job going full at some of the stupidest laws
out there that do things like infringe our freedoms, infringe
our free speech, all of this stuff. If you'd like

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to make a donation, I put a link there as well. Suzanne,
we'll be watching this and hopefully we'll be able to
have you back on for an update in the near future.

Speaker 10 (42:00):
Thank you so much, great talking to you all right.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
That is Suzanne Beecher with the Alliance Defending Freedom, a wonderful,
wonderful organization. We've got a lot of other stuff on
the blog today. And what's interesting about what we were
just talking about with her is that the tide is
beginning to turn when it comes to trans athletes. This
past weekend in California there was the state championships. There

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is a biological boy competing in girls high jump, long jump,
and something else, and he is has been whooping everybody else.
He came in fifth at the state championships, but other
athletes refuse to get on the podium with him. They
just said no, enough is enough. We're not doing this again.

(42:47):
And it's movements like that that are going to change
this entire thing. And it's young women, it's teenage girls
who are standing up and saying, I'm not going to
pretend this is okay. I'm not going to It's all
right for biological boys to compete against biological girls, and
good for all of them, because the adults are obviously
getting it wrong. What I find fascinating is that I

(43:09):
don't see any indication that the Democratic Party is backing
off of their support of this clearly unpopular position. You know,
even if you believe as I do, that there has
to be some way to let these young trans athletes compete.
But they cannot displace a girl on the metal stand.

(43:31):
They cannot do that. They can't be allowed to, you know,
compete and win over and over and over again, just
because they've decided they're girls. I wanted to point out,
and we talked to a woman who ran in the
Boston Marathon. She mentioned the fact that they now have
a non binary category in the Boston Marathon. Guess what
gender at birth won the non binary category every single year,

(43:57):
Not one woman, Nope, all of them are end So
this is why trans girls want to compete against girls,
and this is why girls need to be protected and
have their own categories. Allow these kids to compete however
you want to do it, but don't score them the
same way. It's simply not fair. And I'm so tired

(44:19):
of the notion that the feelings of a tiny, microscopic
percentage of the sports population have to be put over
everyone else's feelings, everyone else's hard work because that athlete
happened to be born a boy. It's infuriating and it's
turning me into like kind of a crabapple about it.

(44:40):
Like I just I don't have any tolerance. I just
have no patience with it anymore. One of my friends
on Facebook from high school wrote this big, long diatribe
about how a male I might point out, big long
diatribe about how unfair all of this was and how
trans kids are being targeted and blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah, and I just wrote, you're a dude.

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You have no idea what it's like. You're a dude,
And I erased it because I try to get into
arguments on Facebook, but don't. I truly don't understand how
it's gotten this far. I don't understand how Democrats have
allowed it to become such a huge issue in their party.
I want to share something with you. Can I have
my computer a rod. This is from CNN yesterday. Listen

(45:24):
to CNN's own polling. When it comes to opinions on politicians,
how Americans sort of see the parties?

Speaker 11 (45:33):
Which party is better described as the party with strong leaders?

Speaker 7 (45:37):
Look at this?

Speaker 11 (45:38):
Wow, sixty percent of Americans say Democrats, forty percent say
that of the Republican Party.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
No.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Overall, no party is doing great.

Speaker 11 (45:45):
Lots of Americans say neither of these qualities apply to
either party.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
But look at how much worse off the Democrats are
a party that gets things done.

Speaker 11 (45:51):
Only nineteen percent of Americans say that about the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Thirty six percent say it about the Republicans.

Speaker 11 (45:57):
In fact, the only place that the Democrats are Americally
had party of the middle classes is basically a tie.
Though thirty four percent say that of Democrats, thirty two
percent say that of Republicans.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
But this, I think is the most fascinating. How do
partisans talk about their own party?

Speaker 11 (46:13):
So among Democrats and Democratic leaners, thirty two percent say
Democrats are the party with strong leaders, I.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Mean of their own kind, right.

Speaker 11 (46:22):
Eighty two percent of Republican Republican leaders say that about
the GOP. Only forty one percent of Democrats say they
they're the party that gets things done of their own kind.
And I will just say fifty one percent, Manu. A
majority of Democratic and Democratic leaners say neither party gets
the party that gets things done.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Attribute imagine that is the whole. That's the project that
Democrats are working on.

Speaker 11 (46:45):
Beyond the issues here, there's some structural problems with the
Democrats as well. There are And again, this is where
we ended up on election night in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
This is by county and they're showing that beautiful map
of the counties in the United States where every thing
is red except the coasts. And so this is what
I don't understand. I do believe that they've gotten themselves
into a bit of a pickle or and I'm not
sure how to get out of it, because they have capitulated,

(47:14):
and that's the word I'm gonna use on purpose. They
capitulated to the trans in gay mafia. Now, there are
trans people out there who just want to be left alone.
Lead their lives. They're not in the trans mafia. They're
gay people who just want to be left alone so
they can lead their lives. They're not in the gay mafia.
The gay mafia and the trans mafia are the people
that are passing bills in Colorado that make it a

(47:35):
crime for you to call a dude a dude just
if he's wearing a dress. Right, that's the trans mafia.
So this Democrats are completely beholden to the trans mafia
and they don't know how to get out of it.
I mean, do you risk right now? The Democratic Party
is having tremendous difficulty with this issue from two sides on.

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And we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
You have women who make up a huge voting block
in the Democratic Party, and until now they've been able
to control that female group by shouting abortion rights, abortion rights.
But a funny thing happened after the Dobbs decision. States
started codifying abortion into their constitutions. States started voting on

(48:24):
whether or not abortion should be legal. And guess what.
There are some states that abanded abortion or bandit very
very early. Absolutely, but more and more states are saying no,
you can have an abortion here whenever you want. I mean,
look at our abortion laws. They're absolutely like disgusting. You

(48:45):
can walk into an abortion clinic the day you're supposed
to give birth and they can kill that baby for you.
Although I haven't mentioned this on the air, the abortion
doctor and boulder who specialized in late term abortions has
closed his clinic and retired. I wonder how many babies
will live now because of that retirement. So right now,

(49:06):
they're losing those women who are tired of being told
that trans women are the best women and they have
to be accommodated everywhere, including locker rooms and everywhere else,
regardless of whether they still have a male package or not.
They're in danger of losing that entire group of people
because they refuse to say, you know what, maybe, just
maybe we shouldn't allow men to come into female spaces

(49:30):
because unfortunately, if we do that, there are men who
are bad actors who are going to make it wildly
uncomfortable for women in their locker rooms. Why do you
think trans women want to change in the ladies room
instead of the men's room because they don't want to
change around men. So you got that group of women
now you have young men. We know they can't talk

(49:51):
to young men at all. They have no idea what
makes young men tich, They have no clue, they don't
care to. I saw a Joy behar bit or. She
essentially said, don't worry about young men. Young nan sucked,
and they just said we should tell them to sack
lass or some such nonsense. And I'm like, thanks, Joy,
keep it up, lady, keep it up. They're in a

(50:15):
bad way and I don't see any path forward for them.
But then again, you know, right now the Republican Party
is a cult of personality around Trump, and that, for me,
I'm not happy with that at all. I don't like
culture personalities. I like principles. I like a foundation that
makes sense, that has some coherence, and right now I

(50:35):
don't think the National Republican Party has that. It's just Trump.
And guess what, Trump won't always be president, so what
happens next? As sure as heck. Don't want Trump running
the White House from somewhere else like we've seen Obama
do or try to do with Joe Biden. Our system
is designed to get fresh ideas and fresh meat every

(50:56):
so often. Right, I like that. I like that about us.
It makes it harder to pull fast one and easier
to undo in any case that's on the blog today.
That's CNN SoundBite if you want to share it with
people and chuckle to yourself. Mandy, look at the prime
sponsors of HP twenty five thirteen twelve, Representative Loreena Garcia,

(51:17):
Representative Rebecca Stewart, Senator Faith Winter, and Senator Chris Kolker.
I believe you forgot Brianna to tone the translawmaker who
got a big round of applause just for being a translawmaker. Whatever, Mandy.
I saw a story on nine News that the former
employees of the Boulder abortion clinic are reopening a clinic
later this summer. More chances to kill your baby right

(51:40):
before it's born coming your way soon, Mandy. If pizzas
were sexes, meet pizza, veggie pizza, and chovy pizza, why
do we need to mandate anchovies equal oven time. That
is not the worst analogy, but maybe very close to
the worst analogy ever, Mandy. The politicians the legacy media

(52:01):
to back off on this and admit they were wrong.
The scientific community also has to back off and admit
they are wrong, and the American Psychological Association is not
going to bit that they are wrong. There will have
to be a change of leadership in the scientific communities
before that happens. Now, I believe, actually, I think what's
going to stop this whole madness is when people who

(52:22):
were rushed into hormone therapy that turned out to be
irreversible start to sue the doctors and providers that did that,
and a few of them are going to win ginormous
settlements from juries that hear their stories and make these
people pay up, and then perhaps maybe just then we
can see it all walk back. Hi, Mandy, thank you

(52:44):
for so much for this great interview regarding the lawsuit
being brought against the recent legislation. I was thrilled to
see that it was going to happen, but like yourself
and my question, that anything will happen through the Colorado
State Supreme Court. Also, it needs to not only protect
businesses but citizens from conspelled compelled speech. Alliance Defending Freedom
is doing amazing work. We support them with a monthly donation.

(53:05):
I encourage all your listeners to do the same. Carry
on and have an incredible trip this week. That from Jen,
Thank you, Thank you very much. Mandy. When I was
about six in the nineteen seventies, I tell people I
was Steve Austin, the six million dollar man. You could
say I identified as him. I would have loved to

(53:26):
have gone under the knife had bionics installed, but my
mother repressed me and maybe use my birth name. Can
I sue her?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Well?

Speaker 4 (53:33):
In Colorado? I think maybe. If not, just wait until
the next legislative session. I'm sure they'll just clear the
decks to make that happen. There you go, Mandy. Would
it be safe to say that liberal altruism is destroying morality? Guys?
Wait for this interview that I'm doing when I get back.
It's by an author named Jim Regney. He's written a

(53:54):
book called The Sin of Empathy. It is fascinating and
it's exactly that. It's when you work so hard to
be compassionate that you end up mired down in the
same muck as the person you're supposed to be compassionate about.
I'm talking to him on right when I get back,

(54:18):
I think like June twenty ninth or somewhere around there.
I don't know, but it's really good book for the
sin of empathy, very short read. You can buy it,
read it, and then you'll be ready for the interview
yourself when we get back. I want to get to
some of the stuff on the blog today because there's
a lot of stuff on the blog today. Eagle County,
Colorado just got whooped at the US Supreme Court. I'll

(54:41):
explain what they got whooped for right after this got
one of my favorite annual interviews that I do with
Brian Boone from Uncle John's Bathroom Reader. If you're looking
for a guy who has everything but doesn't know everything,
you're gonna want to stick around for that interview.

Speaker 10 (54:57):
Now.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
In the meantime, Eagle County, Colorado, land of the Greenies
over there, you know those Eagle County folks, they decided
that they were going to use the UH. Let me
make sure I know the National Environmental Policy Act NEPA
to sue a company called Seven County Infrastructure Coalition. What

(55:22):
is Seven County Infrastructure Coalition trying to do? They're trying
to build a railroad specifically to move oil from the
oil fields in Utah. And they would have this eighty
eight mile railway from Utah's Unto basin to the national
rail network to connect this oil rich basin to the
rest of the network. The Surface Transportation Board approved the railway,

(55:48):
and Eagle County decided that was that was bad because
not only are they trying to keep all the oil
and grass gas in the ground in Colorado, god forbid,
our neighboring state actually dig into their natural resources as well.
So the Surface Transportation Board approves this railway, and Eagle

(56:10):
County sued under NEPA, and they sued arguing that the
approval of this railway was not It wasn't just that
the board could determine and look at the environmental impact
of this railway specifically. They were then, according to Eagle County,
supposed to look ahead to other projects that could you know,

(56:34):
could maybe perhaps at some point spring Force because of
this railway, which is absurd. And this case actually made
it up to the Supreme Court and the ruling was amazing.
Justice Neil Gorsitch recused himself maybe because he has ties
to Eagle County. I know he is from Colorado. I

(56:56):
don't know where he's from, to be honest, he might
be from Eagle County. Uling was eight to zero. What
did the Supreme Court rule? It said NEPA does not
allow courts under the guise of judicial review of agency
compliance with NEPA to delayer block agency projects based on
the environmental effects of other projects separate from the project

(57:18):
at hand. Brett Kavanaugh said, the fact that the project
might foreseeably lead to the construction or increased use of
a separate project does not mean the agency must consider
that separate project's environmental effects. The ruling was a butt
ticking eight to zero. You know who hated it. Representative

(57:39):
Diana to Get She had to weigh in. She said,
the decision lays the groundwork for an environmental catastrophe as
the harsh impacts of the climate crisis increase the vulnerability
of the Colorado River, the risk of an oil spill
along this train route is unacceptable. These fracking levels and

(58:01):
transporting them across the country would not only harm the
communities through which the train travels, including those in Denver,
it would further devastate the communities surrounding the facilities where
this oil would burn. Once again, another completely uninformed statement
by our representative Diana de Get District one. Now what's

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interesting about this is doesn't that make the case for pipelines.
Pipelines are a much better way to move oil from
point A to point B. But if you think building
a railroad is hard, just try and build a pipeline.
There would be lawsuits for the rest of the of
our lives. By the way, Justice Kavanaugh also said that

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the courts are not meant to micro manage those agency
choices so long as they fall within a broad zone
of reasonableness. Now, what does this mean in long term?
It means that I'm guessing the grounds with which someone
can sue underneath it just got significantly narrowed. At least,
I'm hoping this article and what's up with that says

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the Supreme Court's decision in this case represents a triumph
of logic over litigious lunacy. It affirms that federal agencies,
not judges, and not activist groups, are responsible for environmental assessments,
and that their discretion should be respected unless they act irrationally.
So thanks Eagle County, you may have made it easier

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to someday somehow get something built that we can move
oil with that would not involve a train that could
potentially derail and create a massive oil spill. You know,
when we talk about pipelines, pipelines fail so infrequently, and
you know why, because oil companies don't want to drop
on the ground because every drop on the ground is

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a drop they're not getting paid for. So nobody is
going to maintain an oil pipeline better than an oil company.
Wasted product is waste product, and that's what an oil
spill is to them. Now on train tracks, it gets
more difficult to ensure that you're not going to have
some kind of significant failure. But that's all we have
now because the environmental has said, no more pipelines, no way,

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no how. We're not going to let you move the
oil out of the West to someplace where we can
use it. We're just going to stop you from moving
it at all until we can stop you from getting
it out of the ground. That's all this is. It's
a mission to keep it in the ground. We'll see
if that actually works.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
I want to get this story in and I'm going
to start it in this part of the segment, and
then I'm going to finish it on the other side
of this because I just realize got an interview it too.
And then we are going to take the press conference
from Boulder about yesterday's events. Hopefully we're gonna get a
lot of details. At two thirty. Former My Pillows CEO
Mike Lindell is sitting in a trial today, hopefully not

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too close to the jurors a rod while he's testifying.
The man has some breath, I mean some breath anyway.
The one area of the Tina Peters trial that I
have reservations about not that I don't think she did
anything where I believe she did do what she was

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accused of, and that was give access to a guy
who was not credentialed to all kinds of records he
wasn't supposed to have, and then lied a bunch to
cover it up. I do believe she did all of that.
But the one area where I actually have some sympathy
for Tina Peters is that she relied on the advice
of Mike Lindell's attorneys, and I believe that Mike Lindell's

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attorneys were testing out legal theories in Tina Peter's trial.
Because Mike Lindell is now on trial for defamation, he's
been sued by Eric Cohmer, a former Dominion Voting Systems employee.
He alleges that Lindell accused him of rigging, and Mike
Lindell clearly did this. He accused him of rigging the

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twenty twenty election against President Trump during an ANTIFA conference call.
It's not just Mike Lindell here, it's also Joe Oltman,
who on a podcast sort of laid all of this out.
If I'm not mistaken, and I could be mistaken, I
believe that Joe Oltman is still facing contempt of court

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charges for not producing the evidence that he says he
has that this happened. So I'm assuming that Oltman will
be testifying. I know that Mike Lindell will testify, much
to his lawyer chagrin if they don't want him to,
but he's going to testify, and it's going to be
very interesting to see how much of the quote unquote

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evidence that Mike Lindell says, the proof he says he
has about cheating in twenty twenty, is actually allowed into
the court proceedings because he's got to argue that what
he said was true, and the only way to argue
that what he said was true is to prove that
what he said was true, which I don't think he
can because don't you think I mean, we are now

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in twenty twenty five, don't you think I think that
five years later we would have all gotten hipped to
the whole thing. We would have seen all the evidence
by now, there would be no question whatsoever. But yet, no,
we don't have that. By the way, Coomer has I mean,
I'll ask chat GBT if he can add it up.
Coomer has made one hundred million dollars on these laws.

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Excuse me way more. I meant to say a billion
at least on these lawsuits. And I don't blame him.
I mean, if I could figure out more people to
sue like I can't, There's no one I can sue.
Dang it. Even the legal system is out of reach
for me. Mandy. Do you think when Eric Kumer talks
and I don't know if it's Comer or Kumer, so
if I'm mispronouncing, I apologize. I don't want to assume

(01:03:43):
me for that, Mandy. Do you think that when Eric
Kumer talks about his lawsuit against Mike Lindell, he calls
it my lawsuit? He should. The saddest part about Mike
Lindell's situation to me is that he has destroyed all
of his wealth. He's in a different lawsuit. He told
the judge, I have nothing left. I no one else
will loan me money, and so I pretty tapped out.

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I mean, the guys destroyed his life in pursuit of
this narrative. And with all due respect to anybody other
than God, I can't imagine taking a hit like that.
I really can't, Mandy. Concerning the paradox of toxic empathy,
the left is so concerned about the suicide rate of
trans people when they feel they are excluded from competing.

(01:04:29):
What about the young potential Olympic professional biological females mental
health when they're unable to reach their lifelong dreams. Well,
they're just supposed to shut up and take it because
they're girls. Come on and come on, Texter, Mandy. The
twenty twenty election in a Rapahoe County and Jefferson County
was massively rigged. You know what, provide your proof. Email

(01:04:49):
it to me, Mandy Connell at iHeartMedia dot com to
send it to me, Send it all to me, bury
me in paperwork, dazzle me, because not a bit of
that is true, respectfully. Kim monson doing two shows on
IT this week, and a presentation was made at the
state Capitol last Tuesday, overwhelming evidence signed off by multiple

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computer forensic scientists. Send it to me. Send it to me,
because I you know, Mandy shipped the oil north to
the tracks in Wyoming and not up the Colorado River
track accident waiting to happen in our fragile river system.
How close is it to the Colorado River? That's my question.
But regardless it's already been approved, they're already doing it.

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I'm always suspect when someone says we have to worry
about this river. But the Surface Transportation Committee, who has
to take all of that stuff into account, was like, no,
it's good, it's fine, A okay, Mandy. The railroad transporting
dirty oil from Utah does not have a cleanup plan
for this dirty oil. Expect an environmental disaster. Train wrecks

(01:05:55):
have grown to an all time high, which is why
we need pipeline. Pipelines. People, It's just not that hard, Mandy.
You said that interview was going to take place right
when I get back Toune twenty ninths. Good lord woman,
how long are you gonna be gone? I definitely made
serious vocational errors. I'm using a huge chunk of my

(01:06:17):
time off to do this trip, and let me pull
up when that actual date is. I'm going to be
gone from Wednesday to fourth through the twentieth. But right
when I get back on the twenty fourth, about the
twenty ninth, that's Tuesday, I'm gonna be talking to Jim
Regne about the sin of empathy. So yes, I you guys,

(01:06:37):
it is. We get picked up on Wednesday morning to
go on this trip. We have a a driver named Troy,
who's amazing. He comes and picks us up, takes us
to the airport. He's picking us up at two thirty am.
Then we fly to San Francisco and that's you know,
a couple hours or whatever. We land in San Francisco
and then we I'm trying to find our actual date

(01:07:02):
on Wednesday so I can tell you. And then we
at nine thirty their time. We leave here at five thirty.
We land there at seven thirty, and then at nine
thirty their time, we get on a flight that doesn't
end until eleven thirty pm our time. Will land there
about three thirty pm Korea time. So a day of

(01:07:22):
travel to get there, a day of travel to get back.
I am not going for a week learn my lesson.
This is why I haven't gone to Australia and New
Zealand yet because it's twenty four hours of flying to
get there, twenty four hours of flying to get back.
It's like, how long can you actually be there? We
went to Israel for seven days, one day to fly there,
one day to fly back. Five days. There was not

(01:07:44):
enough time. It just does you have to kind of
do the math on whether or not the ROI on
the long flights is worth it if you can't go
for that long. Mandy two plus years expired on a
visa issue to a Middle Eastern national during the Biden
open borders era. Where is homeland security? They really need
to be held accountable. You know what I would love

(01:08:05):
to see happen. I would love to see a mass
roundup of people who have overstayed their visas because until
the Biden regime allowed so many people to walk over
the southern border, a vast majority. It might still be
a majority, but it can't be that much. A vast
majority of the people who are considered to be here
illegally were people who overstay their visas. So I'm hoping

(01:08:27):
this kicks them in the pants. A little bit and
moves them in the right direction. On that anyway, B
B BU Mandy listen daily on my two house radios.
It's like the signal is so strong today it's still
blasting and cracking. Tried it with both batteries and plugged

(01:08:47):
into the outlet. No change. My clock radio and car
radio are fine. Is something going on with the signal? Advice? Ay, Rod,
I'm in Loveland. If it matters. I know that we've
been doing transmitter work and you guys just let you know.
We asked them to do the transmitter work when the
Rockies we're playing, So maybe that's still in progress. I
don't know. And the cloud cover often will interrupt an

(01:09:09):
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Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
To the third hour of the show. Coming up at
two thirty. We are going to jump into the press
conference out of Boulder. You just heard Kathy talking about
this on the news. We're gonna find out the latest
at two thirty. But luckily for me, my guess that
was scheduled there. I was thinking about this. So I've
had my own show since two thousand and five where
I was a big cheese and I think I first

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spoke to Brian Boone from the Uncle John's Bathroom Reader
probably in two thousand and seven or eight at the latest.
If you're not familiar with the Uncle John's Bathroom Reader series,
these books are awesome and joining us now he is
Brian Uncle John Boone, and he's joining me once again

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in what I believe, Brian, I think far and away.
I have interviewed you more than any other guest on
my shows since two thousand and like seven or eight.
I'm not kidding, because we've done this every year for
a while.

Speaker 7 (01:10:40):
That's an honor.

Speaker 12 (01:10:40):
Yeah, absolutely, it's it's an honor. It's great to talk
to you every year and talk about all the fun
and silly stuff that I find that we get to
put in these books.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
It's a thrill. Let's talk about the Uncle John's Bathroom Reader.
This is your thirty seventh edition. How did this all
get started?

Speaker 12 (01:10:58):
Well back in the eighth He's my predecessor, who was
really named John, John Javna. He'd written a bunch of
trivia books and he decided that, you know, there should
be there should be something that you read in the bathroom.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
It's a you're a captive audience.

Speaker 12 (01:11:13):
He was stuck in there reading the side of a
shampoo model, and you realize, you know what, I bet
a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Other people have this problem.

Speaker 12 (01:11:19):
They're they're stuck in here for five to ten minutes,
hopefully not any longer than that, and.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
They need something to do with their time.

Speaker 12 (01:11:25):
So you might as well muzzle be productive, mus well,
learn something and be entertained while you're in there do
your business.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
I love these books because they are basically like, in
my mind, they are the books that you want to
read if you ever want to go on Jeopardy okay,
because they are so of like this completely diverse set
of information. Most of the entries are a couple pages long,
so to your point, Brian, you can read it while

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you're resting comfortably in the restroom and then pick it
up again the next time and not feel like you
have to go back and find out way you missed.
Is that the intention just to read.

Speaker 10 (01:12:02):
It, and so.

Speaker 7 (01:12:04):
That's the intention.

Speaker 12 (01:12:05):
You should be able to just pick it up, open
at random, and you'll find something, something short, something interesting.
You know, feel free to flip through the pages because
there's a little something for everyone. There's history, there's science,
there's word origins, there's stuff about movies and TV. There's jokes,
there's stuff about food, which seems strange, but it's in there.

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A lot of bathroom humor, but not too much because
we know that makes people a little squeamish.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
So yeah, you can.

Speaker 12 (01:12:31):
You can open it up to anything and you'll you'll
find something.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
You'll find something that you like. We guarantee it. Well.
I got your press release, Brian, and something jumped out
at me because in our family we have a long
running joke about buffalo and bison being the same thing. Yes,
but what in the section what's the difference between you
talk about buffalo and bison. What is the difference between

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buffalo and bison, if any.

Speaker 12 (01:12:58):
There's there's actually quite a few. There are completely different
animals what we call in North America the buffalo that's
actually a bison. And you can tell them apart because
they have a hump on their shoulder, and they're also
the ones that have the beards and buffalo don't have
don't have the beards or the humps on their shoulder,

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but they do have much much bigger horns. So that's
how you can tell the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Where are buffalo if we have bison, were buffalo Asia? Oh? Okay,
then buffalo in Asia?

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Well, then I actually am somewhat vindicated from this little
piece of knowledge that you just gave me. And I
will be rubbing it in the family's face accordingly when
I get home. What's your favorite what's your favorite story
in the Uncle John's Action Packed Bathroom Reader this year?

Speaker 12 (01:13:48):
You know it's probably Roland the Farter, of course.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
Well, I I was curious abo I saw something on TV.

Speaker 12 (01:13:57):
This is often the inspiration something on TV about gesters,
you know, the we think of them as you know,
the the you know, kind of foppish you know, court
Jester comedian like in the in the hat with the
funny hat with the bells on the end, and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
They were a real thing.

Speaker 12 (01:14:12):
But there there were all kinds of performers who would
who would you know, entertain the service and pleasure of
the king and his court. And Roland the farter wouldn't
really tell jokes. He would fart on command.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
That was his talent.

Speaker 12 (01:14:27):
He could fart, and King Henry the Second of England
thought that was the most hilarious thing ever, because it
is the most hilarious thing ever, being able to fart
on command. And his special trick that he could do
is he could jump, whistle and fart all at the
same time, and that apparently brought down the house in
twelfth century England, you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
And with second raiders today as well, and jumping, farting
and wait, not sneezing. He was jumping, farting and whistling, right.

Speaker 12 (01:14:56):
Jumping, jumping, whistling and farting all at the same time,
which which sounds easy, but it's uh, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
We all, we all, we all, we all tried around
the office in the.

Speaker 12 (01:15:07):
Comfort of our own you know, we did it on
our own, but we all, but we all tried to
see if we could do.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
It, and it's it's it's hard to do. I'm not
a big farterer on command. Myself, So I don't think
I'm going able to just let you guys try that. Brian,
in a moment of seriousness, about this very fun and
silly book. I've been recommending this book for forever to
parents of teenage boys. Hear me out. So teenage boys
are not really many of them are not super into

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reading and not they don't necessarily want to spend some
time reading, And now that kids have phones glued in
their hands, it's even harder. These books are full of
the useless, idiotic information like roll in the Farterer, and
it's in such such a small dose that if you've
got a kid that is not reading as much as
you'd like them to, say, look, I want you to

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read this. It's at least it'll be interesting to you.
And I've gotten emails from parents who said, thank you
for letting me know about this book because it keeps
his attention. Although he does regale us with whatever he's
learned at dinner that day, in the book, it has
finally given them something that they can read that's not overwhelming,
that gets them more into the habit of reading. So
I just want to throw that out there. It's not

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a selling point. For you guys. But I'm telling you
it's a selling point for you guys.

Speaker 12 (01:16:20):
That is that is the most wonderful compliment I think
I've ever received about these books.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 12 (01:16:26):
And that's really that really affects me. And knowing that
we're making an impact and we're getting people involved with reading,
and just because reading should be entertaining, it should be engaging.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
It's it's theater of the mind.

Speaker 7 (01:16:38):
And we always say that.

Speaker 12 (01:16:39):
We were the Internet Before the Internet, there's little little
doses and you know, you know, you're always seeing you know,
wacky stories on the Internet and stuff, and we just
we just put them all in one place for you
and we find the best stuff and try to make
it entertaining and informative for people.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
So thank you so much, no problem, It is my pleasure.
I love these books. I've got them all. I think
they're fantastic. They make a great gift for dad. You know,
if your dad doesn't have enough useless facts to spout
off at the family barbecue, you're going to load him
for bear. If you just go and I put a
link to buy this, it will be here by Father's Day.
If you go ahead and do this, link today it

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is the Uncle John's Action Packed Bathroom Reader thirty seven
and Brian Boone, thanks for making time for us today.
And I'm so glad I told Brian off the air.
With all of this stupid information available on the internet,
I'm always afraid that they're going to stop making the
Uncle John's Reader. And I'm happy every year when i
get the email that says we're back. We got a

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new book and we should talk about it. So keep
up the good work.

Speaker 10 (01:17:41):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Well, thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
Thanks that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
It's always always great to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
That's Brian Boone from Uncle John's Bathroom Reader series. I
love these books. You will too. And when we get back,
I've got a bunch of stories I'm going to get
in as fast as possible. Not really a eh No,
I've got like three that i want to talk about.
First of all, I just want to say congratulations to
mister and missus Travis Hunter. I'll explain why I'm saying

(01:18:07):
that after we get back. Congratulations to mister and missus
Travis Hunter. And the reason I bring this up is,
first of all, the wedding pictures are out. They're so pretty.
Can we just have a minute on wedding guests that
get the memo on a theme and all wear what
they're asked to wear. They ask their guests to wear black.
Their wedding pictures are gorgeous. To stay on theme, people,

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it's not that hard. But I gave missus Hunter as
she is now a lot of grief at the Heisman
when she didn't stand up for her husband.

Speaker 10 (01:18:37):
And I was like, h.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Look out, Travis, look out for this one. But that
was unfair. I judged her by one moment and I
have no idea what's going on there. They look blissfully happy.
I hope they have years and years and years of
happiness together. I really mean that so, and her dress
was gorgeous. John Caldera joins in my fight for the

(01:19:02):
rights of those of us who want plastic surgery paid
for by someone else. He has a great column today. Now,
remember just a week or so ago, I was asking
for an attorney so I could sue to get a
boob job paid for like they're paying for them for
trans women now. And John takes it one step further.
John actually identifies and if you've never seen John, one

(01:19:23):
of the reasons I find John so wildly attractive is
because he's bald. If you've met my husband, you know
I like bald men.

Speaker 10 (01:19:29):
I just do.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Don't tell John I found him wildly attractive. I was
just me throwing him bone. He actually identifies as someone
with long flowing hair, so in order to be able to,
you know, sort of mesh up who he identifies with
with how he looks, he is looking for hair plugs
and I sent him a text earlier. Is a great

(01:19:52):
column he want? She would do a class action lawsuit
where all the straight people who just want to feel
like the person they are inside, like I identify as
a super hot person. But yet, uh, you know, still
doing that, Mandy? Can't you still do your blog and
maybe some shows while gone? That is a hard passed negatory.

(01:20:14):
Not gonna do it, And unless Japan or Korea blows
up while I'm there, I'm not gonna know what's happening
in the world. I am out. However, though you can
follow me on Instagram at the Mandy Connell on Insta.
That is where I'm gonna be posting a vast majority
of my stuff because they just make it so easy
to post. A Facebook is just not as good when

(01:20:35):
it comes to that, Mandy, You're gonna hike up Mount Fuji.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
No, I am not.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
For a couple of reasons. One, the trail is allegedly
very crowded, but it's also early in the season, so
there might still be snow and we don't have enough time.
It's like I could hike up Mount Fuji and not
see anything else in that part, and I don't want
to do that. So there you go. Also on the
blog today, have you ever been to being in Clear Creek?
Have you ever done that?

Speaker 10 (01:21:01):
A rod?

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
You done the top thing and Clear Creek?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
I've definitely gone before. I don't know if I've gone there. Well,
you know it's I'm from a part of Florida where
we have tubing rivers, but there's no rapids or anything
like that. They're just flat. So basically where I'm from,
you have to be a complete and utter moron to
hurt yourself too being But apparently here there are far
too many water rescues right A lot of water rescues

(01:21:26):
on Clear Click two to three rescues a week, and
so if you're planning on going tubing, please read the
article that I shared today on the blog that tells
you how not to be an idiot and how not
to possibly die while you're tubing. Tom Selleck ain't bald,
says this texter. You are correct, and he is the
exception in my world. Ah, Tom, Tom, Tom Tom, you

(01:21:48):
know when he actually dies someday, I'm going to be devastated.
Just letting you know. Stick with the theme. Can I
wear a Kentucky Derby hat? For the record, I did
not wear the Kentucky Derby hat at my nephew's web.
I was just having some fun with you. I'm not
a savage people.

Speaker 10 (01:22:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
I have decency, I have general respect. But I've said
this to my black friends, because I have black friends
and they post all these weddings they go to and like,
one time the theme will be white, one time the
theme will be One time it was yellow and it
was stunning. And I sent a message to my friend.
I'm like, how do you get white people? How to

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white people? Because white people, you say, oh, the theme
is white, and there'll be that one woman who shows
up in like a pink dress. Well, I didn't have
anything in white. I don't look good. I'm a summer
I don't look good. And white. She's like, black people
don't play with a theme, we just do it. God,
I admire that so much. When we get back, Okay,

(01:22:47):
here's what's gonna happen. We're gonna take a break. We're
gonna do the news. Either the news will go right
into the press conference from Boulder, or I will come
back and then we will go to the press conference
from Boulder. When it starts with all of the latest
information aut the attacks yesterday, keep it right here on Kowai.
We're going to have an update on the Pearl Street attack.
We will air that live here in just a few minutes.

(01:23:07):
I do want to get this story in, totally unrelated.
I'm guessing that during the press conference they're going to
sort of reset everything about the attacks yesterday, So I'm
not going to do that now. But I do want
to get this story in because I think this is
super interesting. This about the Ukraine War. Ukraine pulled a
Pearl harbor on Russia. Yeah, and they attacked Russian Air

(01:23:35):
Force bases all over Russia, including in Siberia, which is
a good bit away from Ukraine. And they did it
with unmanned drones. And it has not been confirmed yet
how much of the Russian air force was destroyed, But
it's a significant number of planes, and a lot of

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these planes Russia doesn't make anymore, so I don't know
how quickly they can replace them. But Ukraine is releasing
video of them just absolutely slacking all these planes on
the ground, just blowing them up one after the other.
Now I'm concerned about this in two ways. Number One,
I'm concerned because Russia will never come to the table

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after an attack of this nature. They will not. They
will not come to the table if the viewpoint is
that they are weakened in any way, shape or form. Right,
So that concerns me that we've now pushed a ceasefire
further down the road. I'm not sure that Pluton is
interested in a ceasefire at all. I don't think that he.

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I've read a fascinating column and I had it on
the blog because if you're not reading the blog every
day at nandy'sblog dot com, you're leaving a lot of
information on the table. And there was a fantastic column
by Constantine Kissen that I'll tell you about tomorrow, because
we're going to join this press conference in process. Right
about I see somebody walking up to the podium. We're

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watching up here we go.

Speaker 13 (01:25:06):
Good afternoon. I am Vicky Migoya, the Public Affairs Officer
BF for FBI Denver. We're here today to provide another
update about the ongoing investigation into the attacks Sunday on
the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder. We're going to have
four speakers today. I'm going to give you their names
and I'm going to spell them so. First you will

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hear from Acting US Attorney J. Bishop Bruel for the
District of Colorado. That is the initial J period first name,
Bishop bias in boy I shop gruel g r e
w E l l our. Second speaker will be twentieth
Judicial District Attorney Michael Doherty. That is Michael. The common

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spelling and Doherty is.

Speaker 7 (01:25:53):
Das and dog o U g h E r t Y.

Speaker 13 (01:26:00):
Next, you will hear from FBI Denvers Special Agent in
Charge Mark McCullock. That is Mark the commons spelling with
the K and mccallich ammaz and Mary I c h
A l E K. The final speaker today will be
Bolder Police Chief Stephen Redfern that is s T E

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p h E N and Redfern is r E D
F E A r N. We will take a few
questions at the end, and now I'm going to turn
the podium over to mister grul.

Speaker 7 (01:26:34):
Thank you, Thank you, Miss mcguham.

Speaker 14 (01:26:39):
I'm Bishop Grewell, the acting US Attorney for the District
of Colorado. On behalf of myself, my office, and the
entire Department of Justice. I want to express my heartbreak
and my support for the victims. They're families and the
community of Boulder. I pray for those families as well

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as everyone in Boulder, Colorado and the nation who woke
up this morning worried about themselves, their loved ones, and
not feeling safe in their own communities because of yesterday's attack.
I assure you that my office and our partners are

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here for you and we are taking action. I want
to thank the first responders, citizens and law enforcement alike
who worked too quickly end this violent attack, save lives,
and tend.

Speaker 7 (01:27:46):
To those who were injured.

Speaker 14 (01:27:49):
I also want to thank our law enforcement partners at
Bolder Police in bringing the Chief Redfern, the FBI, including
Special Agent in Charge Mitchell ac and the Buler DA's office,
including DA Michael Doherty. They worked hand in hand with
my office as the matter was thoroughly investigated and prepared

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for charges, and I want to thank our partners in DC,
including Attorney General Bondie, Director Cash Patel and Assistant Attorney
General in Charge of Civil.

Speaker 7 (01:28:23):
Rights per Dillam for their support.

Speaker 14 (01:28:27):
My office and AAG Dillam were in contact yesterday throughout
the day, which helped lead to the federal.

Speaker 7 (01:28:35):
Charge that we're announcing today.

Speaker 14 (01:28:40):
My office has charged Mohammed Savory Solomon, aged forty five,
with the commission of a hate crime under eighteen USC.
Section two forty nine when that offense includes attempted murder.
The statute were maximum federal sentence is life in prison.

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No one should ever be subjected to violence of any kind,
but our laws recognize the such violence is particularly pernicious
when someone is targeted because of their race, their religion,
or their national origin. According to our complaint and the

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charges brought by DA Doherty's office, mister Solomon stated that
he had been planning this attack for a year and
he acted because he hated what he called the Zionist group.
But what the charges allege.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
That he did.

Speaker 14 (01:29:49):
Was to throw Molotov cocktails, had a group of men
and women, some of them in their late eighties, burning
them as they peacefully walked on a Sunday to draw
attention to Israeli hostages held in Gossom And when he

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was interviewed about the attack, he said he wanted them
all to die, he had no regrets, and he would
go back and do it again. He said that he
had previously tried to purchase a firearm but resorted to
the Molotov cocktails when he could not purchase a gun
because he was not a legal citizen. I remind you

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that mister Solomon is presumed innocent until proven guilty. My
office and our partners hope justice will help heal the
people in this community and in the communities throughout the
country shaken by yesterday's attack. We fully intend to hold

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mister Solomon accountable for.

Speaker 7 (01:30:59):
His acts actions, and these charges are the first step.
Thank you. I'm going to turn it over to DA
Michael Doherty. Good afternoon. I'm Michael Dougherty. I'm the District
Attorney for Boulder County.

Speaker 9 (01:31:18):
I appreciate the members of the media who are here
today so we can help provide this update to a
grieving and traumatized community. What you see here today is
us standing shoulder to shoulder, ensuring that justice is done
in response to this tragic and terrible attack. We stand
united in denouncing hate, terror, and violence in this community,

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were united in condemning acts of anti Semitism, hate and violence,
and we're also united in.

Speaker 7 (01:31:48):
A strong response to this horrific attack.

Speaker 9 (01:31:52):
I stand with this community and the people of the
state of Colorado against hate and terror, and we are
united in our commitment, both at the federal level and
the state level, in pursuing and securing justice for the
victims of this mass attack.

Speaker 7 (01:32:08):
And for the communities that we serve.

Speaker 9 (01:32:11):
Older is a beautiful and special place, but we're not
immune from mass violence or hate crimes, including violent acts
of anti Semitism, that impact far too many communities across
this country. And yesterday afternoon, on a beautiful day here
in Colorado, a number of people participated in a peaceful
walk and gathering on Pearl Street here in Boulder. It

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is a place where a lot of people gather every day,
and the ones who join in this peaceful gathering are
now the victims of a senseless, unjustified, and horrific mass attack,
and to all the victims they are loved ones, and
to this community, I promise you that each one of
us up here today will work tirelessly to ensure that

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justice is done and the defendant is held fully accountable.
I want to recognize, as the US Attorney did, the
response by community members who helped in the minutes immediately
following the attack and came to render aid to victims
who had suffered through a horrific attack upon them. Also,

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I want to recognize the courage and the rapid response
by the Bolder Police Department, who once again were called
to respond to a truly horrific attack upon innocent members
of our community and responded without a second of delay.
I will highlight for you that there were sixteen unused
molotov cocktails that were recovered by law enforcement in the

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hours after the incident took place.

Speaker 7 (01:33:43):
Sixteen So I.

Speaker 9 (01:33:45):
Really want to thank the Bolder Police Department and the
law enforcement responders, as well as the first responders.

Speaker 7 (01:33:51):
Who provided medical aid to the victims.

Speaker 9 (01:33:53):
But that rapid response with the recovery of the sixteen
unused Molotov cocktails.

Speaker 7 (01:33:58):
I think speaks for itself.

Speaker 9 (01:34:00):
Our office in the US Attorney's Office will be working
closely together and in coordination with one another to ensure
that the defendant is held fully accountable. As you heard
from the US Attorney, the US Attorney's Office with prosecuting
the hate crime against the defendant. Our office will be
prosecuting the attempted murder charges and related charges.

Speaker 7 (01:34:19):
At the state level.

Speaker 9 (01:34:20):
This approach will accurately reflect the actions the defendant is
alleged to have taken and the.

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):
Harms that he caused.

Speaker 9 (01:34:28):
They will allow us to secure a verdict an outcome sentence,
whereby he'll be held fully accountable. It's been done, and
by it I mean federal and state prosecutions jointly. Has
been done in other cases, most recently the Club Q
mass shooting down in Kyra Springs. At the time the
arrest AFFI David and warrant were filed with the state

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court yesterday, there were eight victims identified. And I'll touch
briefly now on the charges that were filed at the
state level, as well as the possible sentences he faces
if convicted on those charges. So there were sixteen counts
of attempted murder in the first degree. Eight of those
counts are for attempted murder with intent and after deliberation

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the other eight counts or our attempted murder with extreme indifference,
so sixteen counts total. If the defendants convicted and those
counts are running consecutive to one another, he would face
a maximum of three hundred and.

Speaker 7 (01:35:24):
Eighty four years in stay prisoned.

Speaker 9 (01:35:26):
He's also charged with two counts of use of an
incendiary device. If convicted of those charges and they run consecutive,
he would face a maximum sentence of.

Speaker 7 (01:35:35):
Forty eight years.

Speaker 9 (01:35:36):
He's also charged with sixteen other counts of attempted use
of an incendiary device, and again, if convicted and if
they run consecutive, the maximum on those counts would be
one hundred and ninety two years, so three hundred and
eighty four years on the attempted murder, forty eight on
the use of the Molotov cocktails, and then the attempted
use would be one hundred and ninety two years. The

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judge set ten million dollars cash only bond on the
state charges.

Speaker 7 (01:36:04):
As you are aware, he's going to be.

Speaker 15 (01:36:06):
Going before the judge this afternoon at the jail.

Speaker 9 (01:36:08):
I believe that it's scheduled for three thirty, but I
rely on the Sheriff's office to communicate with members of
the media at the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Exact time.

Speaker 9 (01:36:16):
Thanks to the investigation by federal, state, and local partners.
And I just want to highlight you this is a
horrific attack. But as district attorney, when I walk into
this building and I see the FBI, Boulder PD and
all the law enforcement partners working, it's the exact response
I hope to see the teamwork they demonstrate the work

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they put into it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
If you are.

Speaker 9 (01:36:38):
Downstairs right now, you'd see incredible law enforcement officers and
investigators working calmly, professionally, and tirelessly to ensure we get
all the information we need to get the right outcome
in the criminal cases that the US Attorney's Office and
my office will prosecute. Through their work, we've now identified
four additional victims, so there's now a total of twelve victims.

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And as you'll hear from the FBI, especially Agent in charge,
we're going to continue to encourage victims and witnesses to
come forward and contact law enforcement. But we now have
twelve victims and on the later this week we'll be
filing formal charges against him.

Speaker 7 (01:37:13):
That's our normal process.

Speaker 9 (01:37:15):
So the filing of formal charges by the District Attorney's
office will reflect twelve victims and if more come forward,
additional victims as well. On my final note, what I
want to stress is this community has experienced too many tragedies, fires, floods,

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and mass attacks. But each time I've seen this great
community respond with strength, strength, resilience and support for one another.

Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
I trust and hope that that will.

Speaker 9 (01:37:48):
Happen again now, that for the many members of the
community have come forward before to help one another, to
support one another, to comfort one another, that that will
happen again today and weeks months going forward, that once
again our community will rally to restore peace and to
bring support and comfort one another during this dark hour.

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As your District Attorney, I want to remind the members
of the media and the community that the defendants innocent
unlesson until proven guilty, and the charges or merely allegations.
I'm going to turn it over to the Special Agent
in charge of the FBI, and then we're happy to
take questions after each one of us is gone.

Speaker 7 (01:38:26):
Thank you, good afternoon.

Speaker 16 (01:38:31):
At Mark McColloch, special Agent in charge of the FBI's
Denver Field office and want to provide a quick investigative update.
The FBI has been here on the scene in Boulder
for the past twenty four hours, and we stand shoulder
to shoulder with the Boulder Police Department and our partners.
Their heroic and swift actions clearly saved lives. As mentioned,

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there were sixteen unused molotov cocktails within arm's.

Speaker 7 (01:38:56):
Reach of the subject at the time of his rest.

Speaker 16 (01:38:59):
Arrest is there's no question that the first responders saved
lives and prevented further victims from being injured. And I
think the fact that we have both federal and state
charges within twenty four hours of this tack is a
testament to the strength of the partnerships, the professionalism of
the investigators, in our commitment to the community and to
each other to pursue justice. We continue to support the victims,

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their families, and the greater community with personnel and resources.
Our hearts go out to the victims and we want
you to know that we are committed to being here
for you. Since two o'clock yesterday, more than thirty special agents,
intelligence experts, and professional staff have deployed to provide forensic,
investigative and crisis management support as well as additional resources

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are being surged from other field offices and at our
headquarters in Washington, d C.

Speaker 11 (01:39:50):
And they're on the way.

Speaker 16 (01:39:52):
While at this time it appears the perpetrator acted alone,
we do continue to investigate all possibilities and pursue all
investigative leads. If we uncover evidence that others knew of
this attack or supported the subject in this attack, rest
assured that we will aggressively move to hold them accountable
to the fullest extent of the law. Since the investigation

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began twenty four hours ago, the FBI has conducted forty.

Speaker 7 (01:40:18):
Four witness interviews.

Speaker 16 (01:40:21):
We've executed search warrants on vehicles, property, and digital devices.
We've deployed our full Evidence response team both to Boulder
at the main crime scene and the execution of a
search warrant at a residence tied to the subject in
Colorado Screams. Members of the ERT worked through the night
to gather all evidence so that the Pearl Street could.

Speaker 7 (01:40:41):
Swiftly be reopened this morning.

Speaker 16 (01:40:44):
We've deployed victims specialists to hospitals and assigned one to
each and every victim that's been identified to date. We've
set up a digital media tip line. We've deployed a
mobile command post for information sharing and evidence control, and
we continued to canvass for witnesses, additional victims.

Speaker 7 (01:41:02):
And camera footage.

Speaker 16 (01:41:05):
We ask that you call us at one eight hundred
call FBI if you have any information about the events
that transpired yesterday, if you saw something, if you heard something,
if you have information, our investigators want to hear from you.
If you have multimedia evidence, whether that is photos, social
media posts, or videos related to the attack, please visit

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the site that we've established and you can provide your
information at FBI dot gov backslash Boulder attack.

Speaker 7 (01:41:34):
We have The FBI are not tracking.

Speaker 16 (01:41:36):
Any credible threats to the Boulder community at this time. However,
if you see something suspicious, we urge you to call
nine to one one. The FBI takes seriously it's mission
to protect the American people of the United States, both
nationally as well as here and in Boulder. Hate fueled
acts of violence have no place in our community, and

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we will use every tool and resource available to hold
those who commit such acts fully accountable.

Speaker 7 (01:42:05):
And I'll turn it over to Chief Redford.

Speaker 8 (01:42:12):
Thank you, good afternoon Again. My name is Stephen Redfern,
I have the honor to serve as the police chief
here in Boulder. I want to give a few updates
from the city and the police department before we take
some questions. So today, in the aftermath of this heinous
terrorist attack in our city, I again want to start
with thanking our partners. I think we've all alluded to
the importance of partnerships. I can tell you as I

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was rushing to the scene yesterday, one of the first
or second calls I made was to the Special Agent
in charge, because no matter what this.

Speaker 7 (01:42:42):
Ended up being, I knew we would need help.

Speaker 8 (01:42:44):
And once again the FBI, all of our state, local
and federal partners have stepped up and we are absolutely
in a really good place for twenty four hours into
this investigation. In my opinion, Michael Doherty alluded to it.
But the work that I've in this building and out
on the street in the last twenty four hours is remarkable,
and every single person working on this investigation is doing

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their job above and beyond to bring justice to these victims,
including the men that stand behind.

Speaker 7 (01:43:12):
Me here, and I'm grateful.

Speaker 8 (01:43:15):
The scene. As you may know, around two in the morning,
we released the scene. So as of this time, we
have no active closures in downtown Boulder, We have no
areas closed off. We spent an extensive amount of time
yesterday up until the early morning hours today with bomb
dogs our bomb squads ensuring that there were no other
threats in the area, and people were allowed after midnight

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to go back and get vehicles, and businesses have been
allowed to reopen if they so choose. I can tell
you this morning, I walked down Pearl Street with members
of my team. I interacted with a lot of business
owners community out there, and the way I felt leaving
there was.

Speaker 7 (01:43:53):
I was heartened.

Speaker 8 (01:43:54):
I was heartened by the resilience of our community, the
positive attitude that people had, the understanding of the inconvenience
of yesterday with businesses having to close, and really I
walked out of that thinking, you know, we're going to
be okay once again as a community. We're going to
recover after coming together a little bit more on communities.

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So we are aware of events this week, We're aware
of things coming up in the next We're looking seven
to ten days out at other events, and we are
going to ensure along with our partners that we have
adequate coverage, law enforcement coverage, security at any event that's
taking place this week. We want to ensure that people
feel comfortable and safe in this community gathering and remembering

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what happened, as well as any other planned events that
we have. We will be relying upon our partners, such
as the State Patrol to ensure that we have proper
coverage where people can feel safe. Before this attack, we
had very strong the Boulder Police Department, the City of
Boulder had very strong relationships with our Jewish community. We
even have an officer assigned as a Jewish community liaison

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with Boulder PD. Those relationships have paid off dividends during
this attack, and I know going forward in the aftermath,
we're going to continue to work with our community. I've
been in contact via phone, email, and texts throughout the
day and last night with members of our Jewish community.

Speaker 7 (01:45:14):
Myself and the District Attorney will be.

Speaker 8 (01:45:16):
Leaving shortly to have a meeting with community leaders from
our Jewish community as well. The message there, the bottom
line messages we want everyone to feel safe. We will
not condone these types of attacks and acts in our community.
I will reiterate what was prior said. It is never
an inconvenience for someone to call the police if they
feel uncomfortable about a situation, if they see something odd,

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if they see a person acting in a suspicious manner.
Let us come out and let us determine if there
is some validity to people's suspicions. That's why we are here.
So please call us if you see something literally the
old see something, say something. Adage applies here. Please call
us if there's anything that's making you fee uncomfortable in
the community. And lastly, I just want to say again

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we have been contacted the sea and the police department
from all over the world without pouring of support, messages
of support, and I want to thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:46:05):
It matters.

Speaker 8 (01:46:06):
It makes a difference going forward, so I appreciate all
of that. With that, I'm going to turn it back
over to our public information officers for some questions.

Speaker 13 (01:46:17):
All right, We'll try to call on people for questions
and I will repeat the question hopefully so everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
Can hear it, and then turn it over to our
experts for answers.

Speaker 15 (01:46:26):
Yeah, Tony, Chief or anybody up here, do we have
any new video showing how you walk into these sixteen
eighteen nineteen molotov cocktails. That's not a one long trip
anything you've been able to discover to show how they
go up there.

Speaker 13 (01:46:42):
So the question is do we have any new video
evidence about how he entered the area with the molotov
cocktails he had.

Speaker 7 (01:46:49):
I'm be anged, thank you for the question.

Speaker 8 (01:46:52):
We are as I speak, we have teams of detectives
partnered with FBI on Pearl Street, going business to business,
door to door that we're piecing together, timeline using video,
license plate readers, all of those things, relying heavily on
our federal partners. As of right now, I've not been
made aware that we actually had video of him carrying
anything into that area. Obviously we're looking at that, and

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if someone were to have that video, please contact the
number that the specially agent in charge mentioned or you
can contact us as well at BPD. There's a highlightlihood
it's out there and we just I don't know the
existence of it yet.

Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
Yeah, Dave, Yes, can you tell us any updates on
the eight original victims and any more information on the
four people that you've identified as well?

Speaker 13 (01:47:38):
The question is if we can provide additional information about
the eight victims that we previously mentioned and the new
four that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
Came up today.

Speaker 7 (01:47:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:47:49):
Regarding the victims, prior to this press conference, I received
an update that we still have two victims in the hospital.
I believe those are the two that were flown to
University Hospital and Aurora. I believe the victims the additional
victims that we learned of today. The reason we didn't
know about them until today was their injuries. Thankfully we're
more minor in nature. They've come forward to be interviewed

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in things, and then we realized that they did have injuries.
So we're counting everyone who received any sort of injury
in this attack in that number. So, as far as
I'm aware, right now, two people still in the hospital,
and again our thoughts are with them as they recover.

Speaker 13 (01:48:27):
Yeah, dare do you know how many people were in
the original peaceful march from the Dreamer? So the question
is do we know how many people were participating in
the group's peaceful.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
All right, we are going to cut away from this
because I think that they covered the neat of the situation.
We've got charges. We know that the victims too are
still in the hospital. Hopefully they will recover quickly, but
some of them were quite elderly, so I'm guessing that
might be a long road