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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You very long, I'm sure to figure out this is
not Mandy Connell. No, I'm Deborah Flora, and I am
happy to be sitting in for my good friend as
she is traversing the world doing something probably quite exotic
and fun at this point in time.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
But I'm happy to be with you today.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We're gonna have a great show ahead, so I encourage
you to stay for the full three hours. Coming up
at the two o'clock hour, I'm going to have Jennifer Say,
the world gymnast, world champion, actually US Champion gymnast, author,
founder of xxx Y. You're gonna want to hear about
her new lawsuit about a bill that came out of
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this last legislation legislature. And then in the next hour
I'm gonna have with me Rich Sokel, and we're going
to talk about this really disturbing trend that is going
on the Anti Defamation League talking about a nearly nine
hundred percent increase in anti semitism in the last ten years.
But we're also going to talk about a way back
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from that. So it's not just going to be the
bad news, it's going to be the good news as well,
and you're going to want.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
To hear the interview with rich Sokel.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
He's an amazing friend, a Patriots, someone who's lived in Israel,
who has a lot to say about the direction we're
heading and how he can turn back from it. But
now I want to start out by talking about I
may not have gone to exotic places like my good
friend Mandy Connell, but just got back from Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Don't know if you call that exotic.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It did used to be a swamp, so maybe that
makes it exotic.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It still is in some ways.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, Ross is still here in the studio and he's
correcting me as he well should.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It is still a swamp.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
But I want to actually share some good news, believe
it or not, Marxist moment in your calendar, I'm going
to share some good news out of Washington, DC. Sitting
in for me Andy Deborah Flora here well. When we
were in DC this past week. One of the reasons
that we were there is for the one hundredth anniversary
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of the Peers decision, and we had an event in
front of the Supreme Court, in front of the Supreme
Court steps.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It seems like I've been there more and.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
More recently, particularly standing against some of the crazy policies
out of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But I digress.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
This is the hundredth anniversary of the Peers decision. Now,
why is it important and what is it about. Well,
many of you may or may not know that I've
worked for quite a long time in parental rights in
school choice. In fact, I've been traveling a lot the
last year working on school choice policy around the country.
It was nice to go to DC, by the way,
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and know that I believe, under the current leadership of
the FBI, I'm no longer on the domestic terrorist list
as one of those moms who rabble roused at our
school board in Douglas County. So it's very fun to
go back in this capacity. So the Peers decision. One
hundred years ago, June first, nineteen twenty five, the Supreme
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Court decided there was an Oregon law that mandated that
every single child must attend public school, no other schools,
no other options, must attend public school. That was the
law in place one hundred years ago. And what was
so interesting about this law was because there have been
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so many shifts in our society. And believe it or not,
this law actually was pushed by the KKK because it
had an anti Catholic basis. So this law was really
the Pierce versus the Society of Sisters, a Catholic organization
that had opened a school and was teaching children. But
here's the part that I want to bring up that
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I think is so crucial.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
To this law. If you ever hear this phrase.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
This is where it came from the Supreme Court at
that time determined quote children are not mere creatures of
the state. That is so important because while that may
have seemed pretty, you know, common place common sense, that's
been challenged a lot lately. In fact, you'll hear people
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from some of the teachers unions or some of the
common and I won my post last week that parents
have absolutely no right to have any saying their children's education.
And there has been a move back towards that direction. Well,
that's why we're celebrating one hundred years of that decision,
and since then there have been a lot of positive.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Things that have been happening. But I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Real quickly about some folks that were there, because at
this press conference that we held in front of the
Supreme Court steps, we had Education Secretary Linda McMahon, we
had represented Cat Keemick and Mary Miller, Senator Ashley Moody,
and then the CEO president of Alliance Defending Freedom, Christian Wagner,
was there also. And by the way, in the final
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hour of the show, we're going to have one of
the attorneys for Alliance Defending Freedom with Jens. And there
was a recent court case that deadlocked at the Supreme Court.
Many of you may know that, and was whether or
not a charter school could be also a religious charter school.
It did a lot because Amy Komy Barrett had to
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recuse herself and I respect that integrity, but it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Let's talk about this really.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
When my husband I made a documentary called Whose Children
Are They? And it's amazing that afterwards everybody was talking
about how we were saying that there was a desire
for the state to take over the children again. And
by the way, I had as a producer, I had
about three teams of lawyers. And never wants to be
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get sued by the teachers unions or anyone else because
every single part of it was factual.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But let's be really clear.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
The father of modern education, John Dewey, who is the
lifetime Honorary president of the teachers' unions actually thought that
children were award of the state. He loved the Soviet
style of education. He did believe that only the state
should determine the upbringing of children. And that's how we've
gotten to this point again. But it was a very
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positive case and it is one that I believe is
bearing fruit traveling around the country working on school choice.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
There is an explosion of it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Happening predominantly what we would call red states with legislation
that's providing all kinds of new educational opportunities for students.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And by the way, anyone.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Who's had more than one child, and yes I am
a mom, I'm not a birth in person.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Don't call me birth in person even if you text.
I'm a mom.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Eddie.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Parent who's had more than one child understands how every
single child is different. That's what school choice is about.
Not every child learns the same. I share this story,
and our daughter's fine with us sharing it. We have
two kids, one who wanted to go to public high
school because he played football and he loved that atmosphere,
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and he went to a very good.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
One, thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
They went to a private school growing up in kindergarten
and elementary school because we weren't for the early introduction
of sexual education at that age. But then our daughter,
who like many girls, was not diagnosed as autistic until
she was in ninth grade.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
She'd gone from being a strade a.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Student to starting to have a lot of issues including anxiety,
tax etc. Well, we were able to shift her to
a different kind of education.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
She got to go to.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Colorado early colleges, she got to take all of her
classes at a community college, graduated, and went from someone
who was struggling in school her freshman year to graduated
with a four point six GPA with both her high
school diploma and her associates degree. I got to tell you,
I don't know where she would be today if we
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hadn't had school choice.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
That's why it's important.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
By the way, you better believe that every parent knows
better than the state the kind of education that betts
fit best fits.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Their own child.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So let's all celebrate pierce decision where they absolutely, definitively
claimed children are not mere creatures of this state, and
I'm grateful for that. Let's talk about some other interesting
unanimity which you don't normally see very much in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And this also has to do with the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Several decisions have come out five recently. We'll believe it
or not, this court was unanimous. I mean, let's just
pause for a moment. This court, with Katanji, Brown, Jackson
and Clarence Thomas and everyone in between, was unanimous. And honestly,
when you hear these cases, I think it is because
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some of the laws that are getting taken to the
highest quart of our land are so so completely nonsensical,
so completely unconstitutional. Clearly, so they're shaming unanimous decisions.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And these are some good things.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And by the way, it doesn't matter where you fall
in the political spectrum. There is right and there is wrong.
There's constitutional and there's not constitutional. There is freedom and
there is force, and these are positive things in the
side of common sense, constitutionality and common sense.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Let me just share a couple of them.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The first one could just possibly be detailed or defined
as the Supreme Court said, discrimination is discrimination. That's pretty
much all it said. And many of you may know
about this case. It's the Aims versus Ohio Department of
Youth Services.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Woman, Marlene Ames, who was passed over twice, not once,
but twice for Raises, although her work was reported to
be excellent. Why because she was straight and white, she
was passed over twice, where two people from the LGBTQ
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community were promoted above her. And here's what's fascinating about
this case. We're finally getting back to the point where
we can finally say there is actually no such thing
as quote unquote. This is this is radio air quotes,
air quotes. Reverse discrimination. Discrimination is discrimination. And the basic
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gist of this was if you are considered to be
part of a majority group, you had a higher standard
of having to prove discrimination than if you weren't. And
amazingly all of the Supreme Court justices agreed that that
is still discrimination. If you're discriminated because you're white, if
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you're discriminated against because you're straight, if you're discriminated against
because you are name the you know, race, sex, etc.
That you're not allowed to discriminate against, it's still discrimination.
That's why I think it was unanimous, even Katanji Jackson.
Justice Jackson weighed in and agreed with this. By the way,
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this is coinciding right now with a very interesting trend
where many corporations are rolling back their DEI policies. Over
the last two years, reports show many companies are rolling
back their DEI policies. And this is following the Supreme
Court's other decision a little while back that banned affirmative
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action in colleges. So if that's an interesting, amazing unanimous
decision by the Supreme Court, here's another one that I
think just goes into the well.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It was so crazy they had to be unanimous on it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Category the unanimous decision to the Supreme Court that gun
manufacturers are not liable for the crimes of Mexican drug cartels. Now,
let me phrase this a little bit differently. This court
case was because the Government of Mexico suit seven American
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gun manufacturer basically saying that they were responsible for the
fact that drug cartels got these guns and therefore perpetrated
really horrific crimes. That is beyond absurd. And by the way,
let's just give a little bit of history. Many of
you may have heard of John Fabricatory. I've had him
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on when I've guest hosted before and when I used to.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Have my own radio show.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
John is former ICE Department head regional.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Head over Colorado, this region.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
We went down to the borders together in twenty twenty
three and I learned a very interesting thing about the
real reason why drug cartels have guns, and it has
nothing to do with the manufacturers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It has to do with this.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Back in nineteen seventy one, a group of brave Mexican
citizens rose up against a very corrupt government and we're
fighting against him. And what did the government do. They
banned almost all guns. They took away their Second Amendment rights.
And the result is now in Mexico, there's one gun
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store in Mexico City.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
If you're able.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
As a citizen to save up enough money because it's exorbitant,
you have to get to Mexico City. If you can
do all of that and get the permit and you
finally are able to purchase a weapon, you end up
only being able to use it in your house. That
is the current situation in Mexico. And what does that
lead to, By the way, you ban good people from
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protecting themselves with firearms, and what happens Only the drug
cartels and oftentimes a corrupt military in between are the
ones with the guns. So, believe it or not, that
was a unanimous decision somewhat pro Second Amendment because you
cannot fault the gun manufacturers for the fact that the
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Mexican government created in an environment where the drug catails
pretty much run.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I think somebody told me it was.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Like sixty percent of Mexico that they run. I don't
know if that's exactly right, but it's a large portion.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So that was another unanimous Supreme Court decision.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
One other that I want.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
To bring up before we get to the break the
unanimous decision.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Again, this was in.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Favor of a Catholic charity, and basically Wisconsin wrongly said
that this Catholic charity, because they were not just preaching,
because they were actually serving those in need, did not
get to have a tax exempt status because serving those
in need or those who were less fortunate was somehow
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not a religious activity. This was unanimously decided against. And
believe it or not, just as Sodamayor wrote the decision,
here's what's absurd about that and why I think we
are having some of these unanimous decisions.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Not that there's this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Sudden major shift towards to unanimity of every constitutional principle.
But let's just break this down for a second. When
government gets to decide what is.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Someone's true form.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Of religious practice, you've opened a Pandora's box. And by
the way, as a Christian, one of the tenets of
the Christian faith is service to the poor, service to
the needi, taking care, and serving one another. In fact,
almost all of the hospitals and orphanages and all that
sort of care originally came out of the church.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So it was absurd for them to say they.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Would not be considered religious simply because they were serving others.
You know, it's it's interesting. My hope is things have
gotten so absurd that even the Supreme Court justices who
have been on the wrong side of constitutionalism for quite
a while, are waking up because when we look at
even the rule the separation of church and state. I
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think almost all of you probably know that was in
a letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Not saying that the.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Religious people in our country are not allowed to express
themselves in the public square.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, it was exactly the opposite.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It was promising that the government would not intrude on
the free exercise of religion. Well, that is a little
bit of good news out of DC that that is
being reiterated.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Believe it or not, I will when we.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Come back, share one of my craziest stories in front
of the Supreme Court, because there is some crazy stuff.
By the way, when we had the rally or the
press conference on Tuesday in DC and Deborah Flora, by
the way, if you're just tuning in sitting in for
Andy Connell, we had one loan protester who stood out
there and honestly, she was like a naughty toddler. I
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felt like I needed to put her in time out
because all she did was say the F word over
and over and over again as as many times as
she could within the thirty four minute press conference. She
almost got horse and she just found unique ways to
repeat it. And when one of the people from our
side walked up to her and said, hey, I'll pay
you three.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Hundred dollars to stop doing.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
This, she goes, Oh, I get paid so much more
to stand here and try to disrupt what you're doing.
So there's the truth of what was really happening. But
when we come back, I'm going to talk about some
of the other topics, particularly obviously what's going on in
Los Angeles, but you'll want to listen to the craziest
story in front of the Supreme Court steps. You'll never
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believe what happened with a crowd when we were there
for the three to zero three creative case out of Colorado.
When we come back, I'm going to talk about that,
and I want to invite you to text on in here.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Text me what is the.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Craziest headline you've read recently, because some of these rollings
are super crazy. The text line is five six six
nine zero. That's five six six nine zero. And here's
another question for you. Do you think the unanimous decisions
Supreme Court are going to continue or was this just
a happy reprieve that we have had here. Well, I
want to hear from when we come back once again.
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Text into five six' six nine. Zero this Is Deborah
flora sitting in From Mandy connell AND i traveled but
just back FROM. Dc as we were sharing about in
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the first, Segment niavender shared great information about.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Two of the top stories that we'll really be.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Covering more in depth, today and that is obviously the
horrific attack up In. Boulder at the top of the next,
hour we're going to Have Rich SOCl with.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Me he is An american.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Patriot he is and really an expert On Israel american.
Relations he was a resident Of israel for quite a.
While and we're going to talk about that and talk
about what all of us can do to take a
stand for what is right against the hate that seems
to be growing so much unfortunately in our.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Country and also about The la.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
RIOTS i want to spend just a little bit of
time talking about that BECAUSE i grew up In.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Colorado does always have to say that as a, precursor.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
BECAUSE i am not in an Invading, california BUT i
did have temporary insanity and lived IN la for a
little while after growing up On Lowry Air Force. Base
so WHEN i hear AND i see what keeps happening
in that, CITY i would like to Say i'm, surprised
BUT i am not surprised one. Bit so as we
know over the weekend anti ice, riots know they were.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Not mostly peaceful.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Demonstrations is becoming the mantra once again is a total
throwback to after The George floyd burning summer of twenty,
twenty that famous image of the reporter in front of
a burning building saying mostly. Peaceful you know, what my
hope is this time around The american people aren't going
to buy. IT i don't think they did the last time.
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Either but let's talk about what really has been happening
and a little bit of how it got this out of. Control,
so first of, all beginning the process of.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Deporting those who are here, ILLEGALLY.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Ice as we, know arrested some reports say about one
hundred people throughout The Los angeles area in a little
bit in DOWNTOWN, la at a home, depot. Etc AND
ice has released Or Homeland security released a list of
some of those, folks many of whom have murder, convictions
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sexual assault, convictions and they are really basically doing what they,
said going after the worst of the.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Worst don't know the full.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Details others might have been arrested at the same time
who are here. Illegally but let's talk a little bit
about what the legacy media is saying and what is the.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Truth AND i.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Gotta SAY i don't say this with any. Satisfaction it
actually is disturbing to me how little camp Evidence americans
now have in, media in particular in, government in many
forms of our. Institutions that's not good or healthy for our,
society but its reality when it comes to, media it's
pretty understandable after WHAT i just shared. Out they've report
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on these things. Before but you, know even Though Gavin
newsom is trying to take the high ground as he's
standing in front of television showing burning, activities, vandalism violence
happening and saying basically shame on the president for sending
The National. Guarden there was warnings by the president a
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few times before The National guard was sent, in and
after the first full day of rioting In Los, angeles
from reports that we're, hearing nothing was, done nothing was,
done so of course it escalated and it got even
more out of. Control and here are some of the
things THAT i find ABSOLUTELY.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I don't, Know i'm running out of.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
WORD i can't even believe that anyone who knows me
knows that is.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Rare but how do you describe it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
When the media is Attacking ice for wearing a, mask
and meanwhile people who are burning, cars wrecking, businesses causing,
vandals them throwing from some, reports whether they succeed or,
not a type of molotov cocktail, bottles rocks towards police.
Officers they're wearing masks the perpetrators and nothing is being.
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Said and then you get down to even Beyond Gavin,
newsom who basically said he is suing the, administration and
he claimed That trump has created the conditions around the.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Protests you know, WHAT i think the.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Conditions were created more than anything by the vilifying OF
ice agents and referring to them as brown shirts and
other things like. That you say these things enough and
it provides complete justification and cover for those who want
to do. Ill how about Lay La Mayor Karen. Bass
she also blamed the, president saying this is intentional chaos quote, Unquote,
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yes it is intentional chaos by those who are out there,
rioting those are out there burning.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Things it is absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Crazy and by the, way let's just understand the bent
of some of these.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
People La Mayor Karen.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Bass she is a huge, fan as she has said numerous,
times of, socialism communism in Particular.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Castro in, fact.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
She worked In Castro's cuba in the nineteen seventies and
with all of that, background.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Reportedly she was on the short list as A vp
pick For. Biden these things.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Are getting dragged in the light are. Crazy but here's
the THING i really just want to focus on BECAUSE
i don't want to.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Just give you.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Facts let's talk about what the role of government. IS i, mean,
really what is the role of government when we've gotten
out of the days of kings and monarchs and, dictators
which was a majority of human, history and the role
of government was to serve their. Wishes, basically government when
it came To western, civilization basically has a couple of.
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Jobs one protect the safety of its. Citizens to provide.
Infrastructure that's really the ultimate ultimate. Job IN la WHEN
i lived, there believe it or, not let's talk about.
Infrastructure different Mayor samuel's. Story there were news stories that
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because they could not even take out the trash in
Downtown Los, angeles they were incapable of doing that most basic.
Operation there was an outbreak of, typhoid there was one
case at least report of. Leprosy basically returned to The
Middle ages of. Diseases that is.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
One of the most basic jobs of a.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Government, now let's talk about safety and security.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Under this mayor and this. Governor who is being.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Hurt most by these, riots whether it was all the
way back to The Rodney king, riots or is it
twenty twenty, riots or is this? Right what property is
getting destroyed predominantly those of lower income inner city usually
predominantly minority.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Communities no protection.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
There this same, mayor by the, way is the one
that oversaw the other burning Of Los angeles was the
absolute incompetent preparation and facilitating during the fires Of Los.
ANGELES i really think it's time to get back to
a basic conversation of what is government supposed to? Do
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not dictate everyhere of our, lives not tell us how
to raise our. Children how about safety and? Security i'm
going to read a comment that just came in combat can.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Be described as mostly.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Peaceful it is correctly described as ninety percent boredom and
ten Percent, hell if you describe the damage and not the.
PERCENTAGES i would really like to challenge this listener that
the moral equivalency between those serving in the military and the,
rioters by the, way who are holding flags of other
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countries as they're destroying the very country they're trying to
say they want to be a part. Of no moral
equivalencies at. All so when you look at it this,
way it's really time and this should not be by the,
way left or, Right Democrat. Republican this really should be,
saying what do we expect from government if it is
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not to protect the safety of its citizens and to provide.
Infrastructure let's just bringing close to home here In. COLORADO
i traveled all over The Eastern plains last year WHEN
i was running FOR cd. Four those roads out, there
they are so big that they're the. Residents the potholes
are so, big and the roads are so bad that.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Many trucks don't even want to go on them.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Anymore is making it hard for basic commerce to. Happen
that's one of the things that color is responsible.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
For how about protecting the safety of its. Citizens how about.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
The fact that Now colorado has become number one amongst
the most populous states and violent.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
CRIME i think.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
That that's what we need to get back to in,
governance not this finger, pointing not this focusing on social,
agendas but that basic idea of. GOVERNANCE i want to
hear from you if you disagree five six six nine.
Zero what do you think the role of government? Is
what do you think the basic role of government? IS
i want to hear from. You five sixty six nine.
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Zero I'm Deborah Flora city in For Mandy connell For Mandy,
connell appreciate all the texts that are coming in five
six six nine. Zero that's five six six nine. Zero,
well talking ABOUT la and the lack of ability for
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really basic, order whether it was the And i'm not
laughing at the tragedy for those who are, there but
they may have voted for some of this governance which
is allowed for horrendous fires to occur without preparation for.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It now allowing the streets to be.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Filled with those who are not mostly peacefully. Protesting SO
i posed this question before we went to the, break
what is the proper role of? Government and so many
of you are getting AN a plus on this. Quiz
i'll just outline it here And i'm going to read
some of the. Comments from my, viewpoint this is. It
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government has only one job under our, CONSTITUTION i believe
in any moral, manner which is to protect the rights
and the safety.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Of its, citizens not to tell us what to.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Do and WHEN i mean, Safety i'm not meaning, like,
oh you're not allowed to during that, huge big goal
because it's not good for.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You so it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Safe, no none of that nanny state. Stuff but there
is a law and order element of. It and WHEN
i talk about the rights of the, citizens that also
means just basic infrastructure so we can go about our, lives,
commerce et. Cetera things like. That many of you stated
that one person, said one said the proper world of
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governments to protect our rights. Exactly and by the, way
it's not to give us our, rights because it can't
take them from. Us because the government does not give
us our. Rights we know those are given to us
by our, creator and government can certainly try to infringe
on our, rights but they can set up the system
to protect them for everyone without tipping the.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Scale here's another.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
One, ever safety and security are only the job of
the government at the national. SCALE i would kind of
argue with that a little bit because when you have
the local level or the county, level you got the sheriff's,
department you have the police, departments so it is, actually you,
know their job to help keep this from. Happening but,
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yes in the federal government, circumstance the federal government does
have the right to secure our border so that bad
actors are not coming across the, border and that is
there are different roles at different.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
LEVELS i agree with.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That here's another, listener, governor's state and federal are to
implement taxes to cover roads and infrastructure and protection via
police and. Military, yeah to a. Cercumstance, certainly you, Know
i'm not a zero tax. Person i'm certainly a less
tax person than what we have because we don't have
a tax. Problem we have a spending. Problem but here's
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the part THAT i want to transition, to because when
we come back at the top of the, hour we're
going to talk about something THAT i think is very,
disturbing and this one listener's comment points to. IT i
share this listener's comment prior to the, break BUT i
want to point to it. Again WHEN i was talking
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about how the riots in basically it started in la
and or having other places are not mostly, peaceful this, listener,
really And i'll just say this, way had the audacity
to make moral equivalents between the military PROTECTING us abroad
and fighting for the protection Of america and liberty with
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lawless individuals who are breaking the, law, trashing causing. Damage
they're not just they're not hurting no, one by the.
Way they are, hurting oftentimes the poorest people in the
inner city, communities hurting police, officers that is a lawless.
Act but what that listener's comment points out to me
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is one of the biggest most disturbing TRENDS i think
we're seeing in our country right, now which is the
normalization and justification of violence that is being normalized.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
In a civil. Society that is a.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Crime violently attacking others is a, crime but what this
normalization of. It and we've seen you, know this should
not be a left or arrived but we have seen
a lot of The democrats trying to find footing after
the last, election really advocating for greater violence using.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
PROFANITY i, Mean i'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Prude but that's really not elevating the public discourse to
find common ground and solve.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Problems Right there's been this push in this, direction and
what is that led? To that has led to.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
A nearly nine hundred percent increase in anti semitism anti
Anti semitic acts in the last. Decade colorado had a
three hundred and eighty three PERCENT i think it was
nearly four hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Percent increase in five.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Years that leads me to what we're gonna talk about
when we come, back which is the attack In boulder
that happened one week ago, yesterday and how every single
one of us can play a part to no longer normalize,
violence but to speak out against.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It so when we come, back we're going to talk about.
That i'm gonna be joined my rich.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Circle you won't want to miss this very moving and
empowering conversation that we're going to.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Have don't go.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Anywhere I'm Deborah flora sitting in For Mandy. Connell they're good.
Things we will share some good, news but we also
have some sobering topics to, discuss and one of THOSE
i want to just jump right into Because i've got
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a great guest joining us.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Here and as many of you.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Know a week ago yesterday was a horrific attack In
boulder where the person who was From egypt here illegally
Through molotov cocktails and to a crowd of individuals who
were simply there helping. People remember the hostages that were
taken six hundred and thirteen days ago By hamas in
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a brutal, Attack and it is time for us to
make sure we all understand that we have a role
to play to de escalate the Anti semitism that is going,
on the normalization of violence and standing up for those
who are trying to read individuals.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Like this out of our.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Country, well joining me today is a dear, friend someone
who is a. Patriot he serves on The South Metro
Fire District. Board he has served in many different. Ways
he is An american, citizen has lived In israel and
is always helping us have a perspective on what is
really going. On and that Is Rich. Socle, rich thank
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you so much for joining. ME i appreciate.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
It, hey it's my pleasure to be with. YOU i
wish you could be under better.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Circumstance, YES i, know one of these Times i'm going
to have you come. On you're a really funny, guy
and sometimes we're going to have you come on and
just tell. Jokes but that is not, today. Unfortunately you,
KNOW i just want to jump right into it with, You.
Rich over the years That i've done, radio you And
i've been on the air right After october, SEVENTH i
want people to remember that day because when we forget
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the horrors of that, attack that, barberism just give us
a very quick overview again of what happened that, Day,
rich how many people were killed by hamas and those
are brutal.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Attacks how many. Hostages, sarah thank.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
You so we actually should go back to nineteen forty
eight When israel was formed and Five arab argies Attacked
israel on the day of declared its independence and no
one Thought israel would win because they were outnumbered one
hundred and, one, outdone outmanned out. Everything, yes and yet
they want but unfortunately there's still been a large part
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of The arab population that does not accept the the
existence of A jewish state in so they are sworn
to its destruction and they have been Fighting israel basically ever.
Since there's been several, wars so most people In israel
think of this as just a continuation Of israel's war for.
Existence so On october, Seventh hamas which is The islamic
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terrorist Group hamas Means Islamic resistance movement and they control
The Gaza strip After israel unilatterally pulled out and gave
it to The gazans that unfortunately they voted In, hamas
which is an internationally recognized terrorist organization and Has amas
has ruled The Gaza strip since two thousand and, seven
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and instead of building power plans and infrastructure and, Airports
hamas instead has built tunnels to house their their terrorists
and to house their weapons and set up their communications.
Network And hamas has been Attacking israel on and off
ever since they took power in two thousand and. Seven,
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yeah and.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Iteration and one THING i want to point out real
quickly when people talk about the civilian casualties In Gaza,
strip those tunnels were purposely built under schools and under
hospitals Where hamas has used human. Shields so so many
of the casualties were because of the Way hamasa that
that was, purposeful that was, Intentional AND i just want
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to make that.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Point but let's, KNOW i think you were leading up
To october.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Seventh so On october, Seventh hamas again, attack and this, time,
unfortunately they were much more successful than they have it
in the, past and roughly three thousand terrorists breached the
fence that Separates israel From, gaza and they overran several
military posts. Nearby they overran several communities, nearby killing all the.
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Inhabitants were aware of the music. Festival they were in
the large music festival going on, nearby and paragliders from
hamasue came in and killed hundreds of young. People who
were accept the theme of the music festival was peace and.
Love Unfortunately hamas didn't get that memo and on that,
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day roughly twelve hundred is really civilians were killed and
two hundred and fifty five were taken hostage back To. Gaza,
well and then you mentioned, earlier.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Yeah go, ahead, no go, ahead for no Continue and
we know right.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Now as you, mentioned there's still fifty five hostages left Inside,
gaza in the tunnels Of Gaza. As some of them
have been rescued or released in prisoner in. Swaps we
hear the stories of how they are literally. Tortured they're literally,
starved they're. Chained the average food has, been you, know
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a piece of moldy bread a. Day they're being brutalized
by their, captors and some of, them when they've been,
released they literally look like they've come out of a concentration. Camp.
Yeah So hamas is, brutal, brutal, brutal and why the
world doesn't see this is beyond.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Me, yeah you, know and one one quick.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Thing when you see, EVERYBODY i feel that the world
is looking for a, cause but they're embracing the wrong,
ones you, know embracing and standing up for people who
are here, illegally not all of whom are, criminals but many.
Are if you want a cause to stand up, for
let's stand against the true barbarism that is. Happening the
fact that you, know you And i've talked To, Rich
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we've seen the Unedited hamas bodycam. Footage there is no
moral equivalency here between anything other Than hamas and pure, barbarism,
terrorism horrific. Activities so now we go To boulder a
little bit over a week, ago and this was a
group Called run for Their.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
LIVES i think it's a great.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Name because the fifty five remaining, hostages now six hundred
and thirteen days in, captivity cannot run for their. Lives
so this is the only reason that they were. There
and then you have this horrendous attack by An egyptian
national who was here. Illegally let's talk about something you brought.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Up an interesting, point by the, way.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Because people are always looking at an instance and trying
to fit into whatever narrative they want to. Push so you,
know obviously this happened In, boulder the individual traveled all
the way.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Up From Colorado.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Springs can you talk about what you found interesting about.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
That, Sure so we know the perpetrator came From Colorado
springs and he drove all the way up by twenty,
five Asked denver To boulder to commit this. Attack, now
the Group run For Their lives has two walks here Every.
Sunday one is actually in Wash park here In, denver
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and the other is In. Boulder so the perpetrator throw
literally ON i twenty, five asked the Wash park march
and went all the way up To. Boulder so the
question is why did he do? That why didn't he
just go to the closer one in Wash. Park and
we don't know the, answer of, course but people are
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speculating it's because of the difference in concealed carry laws
Between denver And. Boulder so In denver and public spaces
you were allowed to concealed. Carry In bolder you are.
Not so what struck me WHEN i saw the videos
of what happened when he threw the molotov. Cocktails there
are literally people on the, ground his, victims these peaceful
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marchers on the ground on, fire and other people, nearby
of course are getting water and trying to bounce the fires.
Out meanwhile the perpetrator is just walking back and, forth
literally ten feet away from where the people are that
he just set on, fire and no one's taking the guy.
Out we got very lucky Last sunday that he threw
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two molotov. Cocktails he had over a dozen more with
him that.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
He could have.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Thrown because the police are, great the first responders got
there pretty, quickly but it still took three, minutes, yes
the first nine to one one call to the time
the police apprehended. Him think about the damage he could
have done in that three.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Minutes, Yeah, so, yeah that's a huge.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Point there was, someone if there had been someone there
who could have taken the guy. Out in, RETROSPECT i wish,
there of course there would have.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Been but, YEAH i, think you.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Know we have to recognize what our laws are and
why this guy went To boulder instead of doing this In.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Denver, yeah you.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
AND i were talking about people like this are, evil
AND i don't use that word very, often but certainly
in this. CASE i don't know another word THAT i
could possibly, Use but they're not. Stupid and that's the
same case when you look at there were a theater
shooter went past numerous theaters closer to his home and
went to one specifically that was a quote unquote gun free.
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Zone they know where to go to have maximum. Damage
and the horrific perpetrator of this action In, boulder as we,
know had been denied a. Permit it can still carry.
Permit but once again that actually proves the. Point it
doesn't matter the method of destruction that someone. Uses it
matters the person and their. Intent whether it's people driving
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cars into, gatherings whether it is someone now doing homemade molotov.
Cocktails if to desire and the hate is, there they
will find a way no matter what the tool they.
Use and like you, said you know antisecond amendment can still.
Carry anti can seal carry laws only keep the good
people from carrying the, weapons not those who wish to do.
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ILL i want to talk about this aspect rich BECAUSE
i KNOW i can imagine And i've got many friends
like you who Are jewish and what this rise in
Anti semitism hows impact. You AND i want people to
hear this, directly AND i want anyone listening to put
yourself in the position of someone who Is jewish, today a,
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parent a. Grandparent rise of Anti semitism has risen by
almost nine hundred. Percent in the last ten years in our.
Country The Anti Defamation league has said that In, colorado
nearly four hundred percent and five. Years you're a, Parent,
rich tell me what this is like and what it
is doing to so many in your.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Community so there is just out and out fear right
now in our. Community jewish people feel very. UNSAFE i
know YESTERDAY i was at synagogue and at all synagogue
events now and my synagogue we have to have an
Arm guardy five years ago we didn't have an arm.
Guard and that's just not my, synagogue that's every synagogue
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In america basically now has to have arm. Guard we
have people trained at our synagogue that patrol the, grounds
that carry just so that we're prepared in case something.
Happens BUT i think even more so than just, that
we also fear for our. Children, so for, example one
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of my children is going to The East coast On
wednesday to A jewish leadership, seminar and my wife AND
i are having the discussion should she wear anything that
identifies her as Being. Jewish she wears A star Of
david around her, neck so we're discussing whether or, not
seeing the other kids she's going, with should they even
wear that because if they're identified As, jewish they could
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be at. Risk we know Other jewish, families Most jewish
families on their, doorposts on their front door to their,
homes they have what's called the, miszuzza which is a
squirrel with a prayer. INSIDE a while of The jewish families
are now thinking of taking down their messizza's because they
don't want anyone to know that They're, jews because they
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may be at. Risk now let me say against. THIS
i think by doing those, things we let the terrorists,
win and we never let the terrorist. Win we can't
alter what we. Do we need to stand, up stand,
strong stand, loud stand. Proud but the fear's still. There
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and who would have thought this could have happened in our? Backyard?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Dead, YEAH i.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
Agree up the, road, yeah you know.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
It takes a flamethrow and throws molotov cocktails at elderly
people who are just, marching you, know for release of.
Hostages and by the, way that people want to know
for the. March you could be any political. Persuasion and
there are people on the, left there are people on the.
Right this is not a political statement about the israelijas of.
War all it was was we want to bring attention
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to the hostages and get our hostages. Home there's no
other political statement than. That and yet the guy who
did this wanted to kill zis who wanted to Kill.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Jews, YEAH i, agree and he made that very.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Clear And i'm grateful that for, once when we see
an attack like, this there isn't this long pause of
what we're trying to figure out his. Motive he said
what his motive. Was he wanted to Kill zionists in
any way anywhere he. COULD i want to end with,
This Rich and if you're tuning In Deborah floor sitting
in For Mandy, connell my, Guest Rich, socle you know
you pointed out that people that were there In bolder
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a week ago and also then yesterday therefore a, positive
peaceful reason standing up for releasing of, hostages you, know
not realizing that that's what that was, about or maybe
did and didn't.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Care but people need.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
To know, that you, know when we talk about the
moral equivalency of And i'll share after the break a
story WHEN i was at The Holocaust museum this past.
Weekend but this moral equivalency where they're trying to, say,
oh you, know, Well israel killed individuals In, gaza which
we've just stated was really, hummage using them as human.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Shields this whole moral equivalency, idea which is.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
False can you share, something beautif that you talked with
me about of what the True jewish goal is and
as A, christian by the, way kind of a grafted,
mind it's my goal as.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Well you just said it so. Beautifully so we As.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Jewish people that believe That god gave us a, purpose
and that purpose is coined in The hebrew phrase tikun.
Olam tkun means to repair and olam means the. World
so we believe the, purpose the reason for The jewish
people is to repair the world wherever we see, injustice
wherever we see, suffering and so many of us have
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dedicated our lives to, that so we know we have
a long ways to, go and of course we invite
all peoples to join us in. This it's not just
A jewish, cause it's a human. Cause and we're also
taught that we may not be able to solve.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Every problem in the, world nor are.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
We allowed to refrain from, trying so we do our
part and we hope others follow us until we can
create a better and more perfect. World, yeah and that's
what we try and, do and that's what we urge
others to join, us and hopefully we lead by.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
Example, WELL i.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Tell, YOU i Know i'm joining. YOU i know many others.
Well and that is really one of the reasons WHY
i want to end with, That, rich because it's such
a beautiful way for listeners to understand the tamping down
of this, hate of this anti, semitism of this, dehumanizing
of this normalization of. Violence it's going to take every
single one of, us and you And i've talked a
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lot about there's two battlefields here for what's going on
the fight against the barbarism in The gaza. Strip there
is the actual, battlefield the military, battlefield and then there's
a battlefield a public, opinion and.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Every one of us can be a part of.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
That and say this is, wrong this is a human,
goal and let's join with the Beautiful jewish statement of
Tikun olam to repair the.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
WORLD i think that's. Beautiful thank, You.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Rich we're heading to a, break BUT i so appreciate you,
joining my, friend AND i want you to Know i'm
speaking for, myself BUT i Know i'm speaking for many.
Others we are praying for, You we're praying for Our
jewish brothers and sisters in this, country and we will
work together to get to a point where no one
needs to feel like they're afraid for their children if
they wear something expressing their identity or their.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Faith so thank you so, much my. Friendad thank.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
You if your listeners want to join us at run
for their lives at the, walk It's denver's ten am
On Sunday boulders at eleven. Am you could just google,
it but that's a tangible way that you can say
we stand for, good we stand for fixing our, world
and we stand against.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Terrorists here, here we will be, There we will be joining.
You so thank you for. That thank.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
You Rich we're hand your. Break you take care And
god bless.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
You god bless. You thank, You thank.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
You bye. Bye, well don't go. Anywhere when we come,
back we're going to talk a little bit more about.
This BUT i want us.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
All to think about that, phrase takun olam repair the.
World we are not responsible for doing. It solely gone
and ultimately has to do. It but the reality is
we are not off the hook for doing our best
in that area and we.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Can that's a hopeful part we come.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Back we'll continue that conversation if you want to text
in five six six nine. Zero that's five six six nine.
Zero this Is Deborah flora sitting in For Mandy. Connell
Deborah flora sitting in For Mandy. Connell, well if you
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missed our last, INTERVIEW i really encourage you to make
sure and listen to it when you have the, podcast
because it was a very moving interview With Rich. Sokel
he has been a longtime, friend someone who's lived In.
Israel he's A jewish, individual man of great, faith a,
father talking about what it is like now as a
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parent being concerned whether or not your child where's something
that might indicate to someone else.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
That they Are.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Jewish that's the state that we're in right, now and
it's time we all pull back from. IT i wanted
to share and continue on SOMETHING i think was so
moving in this. Interview course we're discussing The boulder attack
that happened a week ago.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yesterday encourage everyone.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Who's listening if you, want if you want to cause
many people seem to be looking for a cause you
want to. Cause how about we all stand together against
the hate of Anti. Semitism Every sunday In denver and In,
boulder there is a group Called run For Their. Lives
their entire purpose is not. Political you can come from
any walk of. Life it is simply, saying we are
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running for the lives of the hostages who've been held
for six hundred and thirteen days By hamas in barbaric.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Fashion that's what the gathering was that was attacked a
week ago.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yesterday BUT i particularly loved the phrase That rich shared
that The jewish, faith and As i've, Shared i'm A
christian AND i feel a great kinship and an extension
really of The jewish. Faith he said that The jewish
people are taught That god has given them a. PURPOSE
i Think he's given us soul a, purpose and it
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is referred to in The jewish faith as tikun olam
repair the. World and what that means is we understand
that ultimately it isn't up to us. Individually Only god
can actually do, that but we are called to do
everything that we. Can it reminds me Of Mother teresa
when she would save an orphan here or an.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Orphan there and someone, said you can't save them, all.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
And she, said, yes BUT i can save one AND
i can save another, one.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
So we can't avert our eyes.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Anymore WHAT i think is interesting WAS i shared this
story earlier With rich AND i want to share his
response BECAUSE i think it's very. Telling so AS i
shared the start of the show AND i were In,
WASHINGTON D. C last week for an entire. Week we
were part of a news conference press conference in front of.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
The Supreme court steps with The secretary.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Of Education lenna McMahon and, others and we were celebrating
The pierce decision that really reinforced school choice and parental.
Rights we had meetings at The White, house actually a
couple of. Them we had meetings with some of our. Congressmen,
tomorrow As i'm sitting in For Mandy Confresman Jeff crank
is going to join me and we're going to talk
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about some of the things that we.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Discussed but we made our last.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Visit and by the, WAY i always go to The
Lincoln memorial BECAUSE i love reading his words on his
second and nogural, address And i'll get to that, later
but we made our last stop this trip very purposely
going to The Holocaust museum literally on our way to the.
Airport and it was important because the cry of the
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world after the horrors of The holocaust was never, Again never.
Again so as we were, leaving and there are many
lessons and things to talk about from that. Trip but
as we were, leaving and literally our lift is waiting
for us to get to the, Airport i'm pulling my
suitcase out and we're leaving the museum and outside were
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a bunch of protesters and they were holding up signs
photos Of palestinian children Or palestinians that had been killed
in The Gauzea war since The october seventh. Attacks NOW
i understand the. Heart there is a lot of suffering
in this. World but WHEN i came out AND i saw,
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THAT i was shaking my.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Head kind of in.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Disbelief and one of the protesters came out to me and,
said why are you shaking your head in? Disbelief AND
i pointed the building behind. ME i, said because that
is A. Holocaust you're misrepresenting what is here and there
is no moral. Equivalence and then they, said, Well israel
has killed more people than in The.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Holocaust now the.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Lack of information and sheer ignorance in our country is.
Stunning six Million jews were killed during The, holocaust and
WHEN i looked at one of the photos of a
child that tragically had been killed In Gaza, STRIP i,
said you do know It's hamas who's responsible for the
death of that. Child hamas uses, children uses civilians as human.
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Shields and they didn't really have anything to say because
it wasn't fact. Based it was all reaction. Based but
as we're, LEAVING i was sitting there, thinking how can
people be so off in their assessment of, things their
understanding of.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Things and on top of all of.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
It some of these people Were, Jewish and you, Know rich,
said you, know there's no limitation to where misinformation finds its.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Place to rest with any people.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Group BUT i love What rich said when we were
talking about this earlier on the, phone that that phrase tekun,
olam he'll repair the world.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Where we all are, called where.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
We see injustice to take a stand and do something about.
It and there is a lot of suffering in many.
Areas there's suffering in inner, Cities they're suffering amongst those
In mexico that want a better. Life there is suffering
In Gaza. Strip but this is the real, question and
it's the one THAT i hope.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
We all pause for a moment before we.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
React we see something that is, tragic we see an,
injustice but then let's ask this, question what is the
cause of that? Suffering not just it's, There i'm going to.
React i'm going to go with the public.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Narrative what's the actual.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Cause the cause of, suffering for, instance in The Gaza
strip Is, hamas the first people group that they imprisoned
and began to abuse where The palestinians live.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
There so let's look at solving that.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
Problem what's going on right now in the, riots for,
instance you, know the reality is who's causing That those
who are speaking and foonemning and who are lifting up
those breaking the law and nobilizing, them if that is
even a, word making them into, heroes while vilifying the
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people who are who are.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Called to protect.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Us they're literally Calling ice or federal law enforcement brown,
shirts while praising those who are holding a flag from
a different nation in our cities as that they're destroying
the property and the livelihood of many in the inner.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Cities this has got to. Stop over and over.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
AGAIN i actually appreciate and understand those who are out
there getting involved and protesting.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Or making their voices.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Heard and by the, way protesting is, fine rioting is.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Not that is.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Different and when you look at the best and greatest
movements in our time that reached lasting, change they.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Were peaceful and they were all the more impactful because of.
THAT i think about.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Without the leadership Of Martin Luther King, junior what it
would have happened in the civil Rights it was horrific
what was happening to the black.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Community but instead of.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Throwing, bombs they walked, peacefully, nobly with. Dignity and therefore
the real oppression that was going, on the dogs that
were released on the, beating these beatings that they received were.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
All the more apparent in.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Contrast, Okay i'm gonna pause there.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Because we're heading into.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
A, break and when we come, BACK i want to
open up the line and ask you this. Question five
sixty six nine. Zero you can text in five sixty
six nine. Zero do you ever think it's okay to
be violent for.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
The cause you believe? In And i'm not talking about the.
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Military that was a false equivalency narrative by a listener.
Earlier do you believe it is okay to be violent
when you were standing up for something you believe? In
do you believe that that's okay in The United states
Of america or is there a better way to make a?
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Change before we, GO i want to answer one question
from a.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
CALLER a Quick google search finds that it is legal
to conceal carrying boulder with a. Permit can you please
clarify doesn'tthing that Rich sokel had. SHARED i do know
the laws are much stricter up, there and CERTAINLY i
do know. This that individual who was drowing the molotov
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cocktails was standing there had ample, time although the police
got there, quickly but three minutes is a long time
to throw the remaining of their molotov. Cocktails they had
a homemade.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Flamethrower on their.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Back imagine how much more damage could have happened and
how quickly it could have stopped if there was a
law abiding citizen there who had their weapon with them
during the. Break i'll research At thank you for asking that,
Question okay five six six nine. Zero do you think
it's ever okay to be violent when you are protesting an?
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Injustice that you. SEE i think it's an interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Question please text in five sixty six nine.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Zero heading to a, Break I'm Debah flora sitting in
For Mandy, connell getting in for A Mandy, connell thank
you so much for being a part of the. Conversation
lots of great texts coming in at five six six nine.
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Zero we're getting down to the deep questions here on
the show.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Today because there's a lot of big things happening in
our country and in our, state questions like what is
the proper rule of? Government and some great responses.
Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
There and by the, WAY i agree with the folks
who are.
Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Saying AND i put it this, Way america is that
once in all of human history idea that every person
has created with intrinsic value on government has only one
job to protect the rights and the safety of its.
Citizens and so that getting some great responses on. That
my second question before we went to the break is
this when we're talking about the normalization of, violence people
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saying that yes it is okay to be out there
burning things and breaking things and Throwing molotov cocktails in
the riots in La my question before the break was
is it okay And i'm not talking about the military
and not talking about. Police is it okay to protest
something with? Violence is that okay in our? Society AND
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i think the overwhelming answer That i'm hearing from people
is WHAT i agree. With, no it's not. Okay the
most effective protests on issues have been ones that are. Peaceful,
now some interesting comments THAT i wanted to. Mention one person, said,
no there are better options than destruction and harm to.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
ANYONE i do not think violence.
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
WORKS i would only retaliate IF i or my loved
ones we're being threatened with. Violence self defense is a
completely different. THING i have a good friend who one time,
said you, know some people say being a mother makes
you more, Peaceful but ever Since i've become a, Mother
i'm Realized i'm capable of, violence and that means.
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
You attack our. Children, YES.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I am one percent believe that every individual has a
right to protect. Themselves that's Why i'm A Second amendment.
Advocate being a five 'ot three woman who used to
have a, STALKER i believe in the right to protect,
myself or protect your, family or protect your. Property one hundred.
Percent that's what it says in The Second. Amendment one
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person keeps wanting to come back to without, violence we
would never have won The Civil. War we are talking
about military reaction.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
There and by the, way my father was in The Air.
Force he served In.
Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Vietnam i'll never forget behind his. Desk was an amazing
quote By John Stuart, mill who is to The, effects
said war is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
A terrible and ugly.
Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Thing but the only thing more terrible is anyone who
does not believe there is something worth fighting. For is
it okay for a military to fight for what's?
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Absolutely having been to The Holocaust, museum thank, goodness even
that was.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Delayed america got into the fight.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
To stop atrocities or to stand and fight for our.
FREEDOMS a very interesting, comment and thank you for sending.
This someone textan, said not disagreeing with, you but as
A Native, AMERICAN i can tell you this country was
founded on. Violence now founded on. VIOLENCE i just want
to break this down a little. Bit if you're talking
about The Revolutionary, war, well, yes that was a war
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for liberty against atrocities that were being perpetrated by a.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Monarch if you're.
Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Talking about the way That Native americans, retreated we have
some terrible things in our. History but here's a false,
narrative And i'm just going to say. It the false
narrative is that somehow the violence on this, continent in
what we call the land mess in The United states Of,
america started When america became a. Country america's history is
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full Of Native american tribes that were very, peaceful others
that were not enslaving one, another constant fights between. It
this is as old as mankind itself when we're looking
at it in that, way all the way back to
Canaan abel In. Genesis it is as old as mankind's nature.
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Themselves What i'm talking about is the founding of this
country on the idea that everyone is created, equal and
yes we are not perfect from the, beginning but we
are forming a more perfect. Union, well these are all great,
comments very, interesting AND.
Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I really do appreciate.
Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
IT i just want to go back to SAYING i
think my new favorite phrase That i've learned is is tekun,
olam which is The jewish phrase that is the mandate
from The creator to repair the world and others where
we see a real, injustice to stand against, that not
by creating another asice, injustice by harming someone.
Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Or rioting or, vandalizing but to.
Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Stand but as we do, that look at what is
the actual root of that. Injustice it's not just the
thing that is a common talking point out there or
the knee jerk political. Reaction what is the actual. Route
let's take a moment to step back and look at
that and stand in that. Area, well you're heading to a.
Break when we come, back we're going to be joined
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By Jennifer. Say she is a RETIRED Us champion gymnast.
Author she's also documentarian and founder of xx X y clothing,
company and we're going to talk about her new lawsuit
against one of the laws that came out of the
legislature this. Session don't go, Anywhere we'll be right. Back
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I'm Deborah, flora sitting in For Mandy. Connell third.
Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Hour it's going so.
Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Quickly, WELL i want to just jump right into this,
because as many, know there were several i'll just say
extreme bills that came out of the legislature this. Year
one of them that got a ton of attention was thirteen,
twelve and in, fact we had a town hall about
that the head over one hundred thousand. Views that was
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a bill that changes The Colorado Anti Discrimination, acts calling
misgendering dead naming things like that. Discrimination the portion that
would have taken custody away from parents of a child
if they did not agree with the transitioning was taken
out for, now but it's still fundamentally infringes on freedom of.
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Speech and my next guest is at the forefront of
a lawsuit challenges challenging. This she was also at that town,
hall and that Is Jennifer. Say she's an, author business,
executive retired national champion gymnast and the founder and executive
Of Xxxy Clothing, company of WHICH i have many pieces of,
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apparel along With Susanne, beecher who is With Alliance Depending. Freedom,
ladies thank you so much for joining.
Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
ME i appreciate.
Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
It thank you for having.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Havings you got it, Well. Jennifer you And i've talked about.
This tell us a little.
Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Bit about the reason for your company to start, with
and then how that intersects with thirteen twelve and this
change to The Colora Anti Discrimination.
Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
Act, well we started the brand about a year, ago
just a little a year and two months, ago and
we're really the only athletic THAT i think is truly
empowering female athletes and fighting to protect women's. Sports this
is obviously an issue.
Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
In the public eye right.
Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
Now we talk a lot about it as a. Brand
we talk about all the instances of boys and men
winning in women's, sports AND i feel very strongly that
we use accurate language in doing. So you, know we don't.
Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Use quote unquote preferred.
Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
Pronouns we say he when it's a male winning girls
track and field. Medals we call Ab, hernandez A california
track athlete who won two goals in their state championship
league call him. He and this is in you, know
this is indirect violation of the, bill which would consider
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that to be a discriminatory. LANGUAGE i feel that it's truthful,
language and it's really Important otherwise the issue gets the.
Rate IF i can't call Ab hernandez he AND i
refer to him as a, she then there's no issue
with him competing in women's. Sports so, YEAH i, MEAN
i just that's been a problem all, along is these
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entitious ideas have been have infiltrated our, language and that
is why we are where we. Are and So i'm
just sort of very firmly on the side of using,
truthful accurate, language and the still wise in the face of,
That and SO i felt like it was very important
for us to push.
Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
Back for free speech For colorado's and for All.
Speaker 6 (01:10:26):
Americans, well and you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Pointed out how crazy this gets.
Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
To be when you cannot actually speak.
Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Freely which is what this thirteen twelve still has a
remainder in, it which is a violining free.
Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Speech to your, point if we're talking.
Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
About you, know.
Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Boys in girls sports.
Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
And In, colorado that would now be called. Discrimination we
would have to Say i'm against girls in girls.
Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Sports it's so.
Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
STUPID i, mean you, know we were.
Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
Permanently banned From TikTok Last june for something similar an.
Ad in an ad that we launched.
Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
With Last, march we, say if you think.
Speaker 6 (01:11:04):
It isn't fair or safe for boys to compete in girls,
sports And TikTok decided that that was hate speech and
that it was, discriminatory and we've been permanently banned from.
ADVERTISING i asked our account manager when we were going
back and forth on, IT i, said.
Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
What would you have me say if you think it
didn't fair.
Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
Or safe for girls to compete in girl? Sports no
one disagrees.
Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
With, that that's.
Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
Ludicrous it erases the issue.
Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
Entirely we can't do it the firm on the, language so.
Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
We can actually have the necessary conversation that needs.
Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
To be had to protect girl sports, well and particularly
Because title nine in the very first place was to
create an even playing field for girls to be able to,
compete not against boys in their own. Field so it
is pretty inane anyone that's. Listening this is not hate.
SPEECH i love what you know it. Said biology is not.
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Bigotry it's not hate speech to say we stay and against,
boys you, know playing in girls' sports and not being
forced to say we're against girls in girls'.
Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Sports that's nonsensical to say the.
Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Least Susanne Alliance Defending freedom has taken stands once time
and time. Again it seems LIKE i know at least
two cases obviously against The Colorado Civil Rights, commission and
now this is a change to The Colorado Anti Discrimination
act basically mandating force speech whether or not you believe in.
Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
It how is this?
Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Different discrimination previously was always considered to be.
Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
An, action not.
Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Speech can you can you address that that?
Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Point, yeah so this is like you're, saying this is
an anti discrimination.
Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
Amendment that's really a censorship of.
Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Speech so they're they're couching it as an anti discrimination,
law but really what's happening here is censorship of speech
and compelled. Speech so like for, saying the mission of
their company.
Speaker 7 (01:13:02):
Is to speak the truth and.
Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
To advocate for women's, force and to be able to do,
that they need to be able to use biologically accurate.
Speaker 7 (01:13:09):
Language But colorado is trying to FORCE xxxy and businesses
like them to instead Speak colorado's message rather than the
message that is consistent with their. Mission you know that
sex is, binary, biological and, immutable.
Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
And this is a.
Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
Clear First amendment, violation and it's silencing one side of
the debate on the gender, issue which is at the
heart of. Society and so that's really harmful discipil society
When colorado is passing.
Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Laws like this that are silencing issues that.
Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
Are important to public.
Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Discourse, yeah AND i think what's interesting is it's one
of those laws THAT i don't see a reason for.
It there's already protection for adults to live their lives
the way that they want, for you, know and once,
again what you're standing, For, jennifer does not stop an
adult human being from you, know identifying however they want, to,
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dressing however they want to, live in their lives however
they want. To we're talking about free speech, here and
WHAT i think is interesting is obviously this had such
huge national attention because of the custody, element but this
is just as. Egregious what would happen to your business
if this is allowed to? Stand or you per, se.
Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
Well we're in violations the. Bill every single, day every.
Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
Ad we put, out we use accurate biological descriptors and.
Pronouns WHEN i do appearances like this one or you,
know other national, APPEARANCES i always use, correct accurate language
to describe the. Issue you, KNOW i don't know then
what will happen to? ME i, mean it would make,
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Us it would sort of obliterate.
Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
The mission of our.
Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
Business it would make, us you, know unable to speak
the truth and be out here defending women's, sports which
from a business, perspective is what also makes us unique
and is why people are leaning in to support this.
Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
Brand you, know whenever we do customer, surveys that's what
they tell.
Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
Us you're taking a stand to protect women's. Sports you're
taking a stand for women and girls you're taking a stand.
Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
For, truth and so it really it makes it nearly.
Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
Impossible, yeah do business at least in our current.
Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
State.
Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yeah, Absolutely AND i love that you have said that
you're going to stand and fight For.
Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
COLORADE i am. Too it's my.
Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
HOME i believe that we can turn these things. Around
AND i find it interesting because the majority Of, americans
whether They're republican Or, democrat left or, right agree that
girls' sports.
Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Should only be for.
Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Girls i'm going to use a slanguage now that boys
should not be allowed to compete against.
Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Girls we've seen what.
Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Happens we've seen, dreams hard, work, titles, motivation even safety
at times take away from these young women who have
given so much time for these. Sports where we have
a short period here before we, Go, suzanne what is
the status of the case of your.
Speaker 7 (01:16:11):
Lawsuit we recently filed the complaint in the lawsuit and
we are planning to request preliminary, relief which would block
the enforcement of the law against AGAINST xxxy while the
court is deciding the, Issue so while the lawsuit is.
Pending but you never don't really know when the timeline for,
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lawsuits so we hope that a decision on that will be, happening,
well happen.
Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Absolutely, well when we come, Back i'm going to read
some of the comments and talk about. That But, jennifer
you've never been one who has been afraid to stand,
up AND i appreciate your continue to do. This AND
i want to let you KNOW i did wear my
xx xy baseball cap all OVER dc last week WHEN
i wasn't in a. Suit so thanks for the Stand
thanks for taking this fight not just for.
Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
People who agree with, you but for. Everyone that's the
point is for.
Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
Everyone, yep it's for.
Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
Everyone, Yeah, america we still have free.
Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
Speech we're supposed.
Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
To.
Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, absolutely thank you ladies for joining.
Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
US i really appreciate, it thank, you thank you so. Much,
absolutely when we come, Back i'm going to read some
of these. Comments five six six nine. Zero want to
hear from, you and when we come, back we'll talk
about that and a lot of other. Things as we
wind up this first, hour this last, Hour, Tepper flora's
sitting in For Mandy connell For flora sitting in For Mandy.
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Connell lots of texts to read. Here really have a
short segment five six six nine, zero so we'll continue
them when we do come.
Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Back BUT i want TO i want to read a
couple of. These this has to do with the fact
that we just Had Jennifer say on the. Program Jennifer say.
Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Is someone who has stood up for many things against
the closures of a school DURING covid that we're causing
a lot of harm for children, emotionally.
Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
To say the, least for the right to talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
It, honestly that's what's really at stake, here is the
ability to discuss.
Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Things she was A levi, executive retired.
Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
National champion, gymnast and she's the founder of clothing company
called Xx. Xy we were talking to her about the
lawsuit that has now been filed and onto her, behalf
and she is filed against.
Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
A portion of the law thirteen twelve that passed out
of The Colorio state.
Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Legislature, now let's be clear about what this is about
and what it isn't.
Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
ABOUT i believe in.
Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
The United states Of, AMERICA i am almost libertarian in some,
ways because Constitutionally i'm.
Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Not in some of the. Ways it goes to an.
Extreme but in The United.
Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
States Of, america every individual is free to pursue their
own idea of. Happysiness that, means particularly if you're an,
adult you can live how you, want you can identify
how you.
Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Want you can have surgeries that you, want et. Cetera
now we can talk about who has to pay for.
That that's a whole other.
Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Topic what we are talking about here is what is truly.
Discrimination up until this moment In colorado with this, law
discrimination has always historically been treatment of an individual in
action and behavior differently because of some characteristic their, sex their,
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faith their, race et. Cetera the treatment of an individual,
differently whether that is, harassment or that is firing, them
whether that's not allowing them to have the same opportunities,
Segregation that is. Discrimination we're talking here now about freedom of,
speech and some people are talking about What jennifer say is.
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Saying if she is not allowed to say she is
against boys competing in girls', sports then a very right
to speak accurate genetic chromosonal truth has been violated or
will be.
Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Violated and one.
Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Person, said you, know, basically this is not about boys
playing in girls'. Sports this is a completely different. Issue
it's not a different. Issue and, actually whether you call
that individual a trans woman or a boy or a.
Male the reality is when it comes to, sports not
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other areas of. Life sports is a unique instance where
titleline was created to have an even playing field for
women who are, chromosonally, structurally, muscle bone. Wise different studies
have come out that whether or not someone transitions later
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in life or earlier in, life there is.
Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
An innate change depend on whether it's X x or X.
Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Y with those who have the male, chromosomes no matter
how they may or may not, transition even if they're
having hormone, treatments their biological, mass their bone structure is,
stronger their muscle mass is, density their fast twitched fiber
muscles are, quicker and even as young as under ten years,
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old there is a shown difference an advantage in almost
all sports by those who have the chromosomes that identifies.
MALE i, mean even the Way i'm having to say
this is getting so.
Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Convoluted it's what.
Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Used to be considered to be a basic biological lesson
in reproductive. Biology but we have now hamstrung ourselves so
much that just by stating that, fact some people consider
that to be. Harassment it's just stating a fact to
be honest in order to be able to protect. Girls
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that was the intent of title mind from the very. Beginning,
disagreement by the, way is not. Hate and the minute
that we believe that just disagreeing with one another on
something is something that should be prevented by the, government
we have waystepped out of the bounds of what free
speech was meant to be in the very, beginning would
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you agree or?
Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Disagree and by the.
Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
WAY i think it's about seventy five percent Of americans
do agree that that girls wors should only be those
who have the chromosome makeup of girls because that affects
their athletic.
Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Ability that's not left or.
Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Right, right it is Simply it's simply something that we
can all stand together.
Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
ON i would.
Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Hope and, then however anyone wants to live their, LIFE
i stand for their right to live with dignity and,
respect but not at the cost of the ability to
protect girls' sports as well and their safe.
Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
SPACES i have to add to a.
Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Heartbreak i'm going to read more of this WHEN i come.
Back it's interesting how this is open a can of.
Worms please feel free to text in five six six.
Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Nine Zero Deborah flora sitting in For Mandy.
Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Connell welcome back to The Mandy Connell. Show Deborah flora
sitting in For Mandy connell and join the lively. CONVERSATION
i am a huge free speech, advocate which means we
don't have to agree with one. ANOTHER i just appreciate
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the conversation. Itself i'm going to read some of these
comments if you are just tuning. In we Had jennifer
say she's the founder of XXX y Sports gear actually
not supports, gear but, clothing, gear, hats t, shirts all
kinds of things like that FORMER us champion, gymnast and
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she is standing up for the right to run her business,
basically which requires her ability to be able to talk
about what it is meaning xx versus X. Y and
we were talking about how free speech is just that
free speech is only free if it's free for those
we disagree. With and in, addition the change of The
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Colorado Anti Discrimination act is problematic because historically discrimination was
only acts behavior firing someone because of their, race their,
sex their religious viewpoint of you, know someone being. Demoted
the recent case in The Supreme court that had unanimous
(01:24:31):
decision that a straight white woman was discriminated against because
there were two people that were, gay that were promoted
ahead of. Her it doesn't matter which direction it. Goes
there are certain anti discriminator notory acts that are considered
to be.
Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Discrimination not. Wording this is.
Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
New it's, actually in many ways even more radical than
what we've seen In california or other. Places so talking
about that is kind of unleashed to some great comments coming.
In and here is the way THAT i am presenting.
This in The United states Of, AMERICA i one hundred
percent stand for the dignity and the freedom of every
single individual to live their lives freely pursuing their own
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individual idea of. Happiness that is what it means In.
America it's a complex society because of, that meaning someone
who is transgender is free to live their lives that
way and be treated with dignity one hundred. Percent let
me put it this way, though, However i'm A christian
AND i hear people SAY gd and Use christ's name
(01:25:37):
as a swear word left and right all the. Time
OCCASIONALLY i will ask, them, please you, know can you change,
that because that, actually you, know means something to.
Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Me they don't have to they.
Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Can it is not for me, though to tell the
government they have to express things that reflect my dearly
held identity and. Beliefs that's just one example come into.
Many BUT i want to talk about some of these
comments that are coming, in and thank you everyone who
is texting. In whether we agree or, NOT i appreciate
it because this is What i'm advocating.
Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
For let's be able to talk about these.
Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Things let's not have the government come in and say
what we're allowed to say.
Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
And what we're not allowed to.
Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Say so one person, says sports is a foundational element
of the human. Experience barring trans people from planning sports
is discriminatory and the same exact way that barring black
people from joining sports organizations was.
Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Discriminatory completely.
Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Different by the, way no one is talking about banning
transgender athletes from. Competing we are talking about which competition
group they compete.
Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
In when there is.
Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Extensive studies biological information that, proves depending on your, chromosomes
from the moment that you are in you to, row
you're downst with either testosterone in a large amount or,
not showing that someone with the the chromosomes that identify
with the male biological sex have more bone, density have
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more muscle, density more fast twitched.
Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Muscles they are.
Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Stronger it's even shown as young as under ten years.
Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Old that's just a.
Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Fact so in a complex, society how do we balance this?
Out one caller or one, listener excuse, me how a great,
recommendation they, SAID i still don't know why we haven't
heard a call for reorganizing youth sports. Leagues rather than
having boys and, girls it could be very simple to
HAVE xx AND X y, sports AND i would say
also having an entire separate. Category people want, that but
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there is a certain reality where now women are being discriminated.
Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Against let me give you an.
Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Example and if you're, four if you don't agree with
me on this issue of women protecting women's, SPORTS i want.
Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
To ask you how you feel about.
Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
This Paula, scanlon teammate Of Leah thomas during The universe
Of Pennsylvania Swim team league that time that got all
of the notoriety When Lea thomas tied With Riley, gaines
did not actually Beat riley and but tied With Riley
gaines and was given the trophy because they said it
(01:28:17):
was important to Have Lea thomas get the trophy instead
as a trans.
Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Athlete, well what was overlooked in that entire.
Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Situation also Was Paula scanlon Teammate Leah, thomas, who while
she had been sexually abused when she was, younger was
now forced to change in the same locker room with
Someone Leah, thomas who was had all the male body.
Parts let me just put that, there had all the
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male body parts and changing into a women's swimsuit for,
swimming she, said was not a quick. Affair we're talking about, fifteen,
twenty twenty, five thirty minutes sometimes to get into. That
she was traumatized by. That where is the me too
movement standing up for. Her she is someone who had
experienced sexual abuse and yet would be forced to be
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put in this. Situation this is happening with girls on
sports teams as young as fourteen years.
Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Old people are standing up against.
Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
That that is an area WHERE i think we have
a complex society and we have a situation where we
should be able to come together and decide how we do. This,
now there are transgender individuals in my own. LIFE i
call them by their requested. NAMES i do, That but
it is a different situation when a government is saying
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you are forced to not even be able to talk
about inaccurate, terminology about protecting girl.
Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Sports that's what that lawsuit is.
Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
About SO i respect your freedom of, SPEEDION i appreciate
your respecting mine as. Well and somebody just said talking
about chromosomes is.
Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
HATEFUL i don't think. SO I i think that the
minute we get away from being.
Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Able to talk about actual science that is not saying
someone can not live how they choose to, live is
saying there is actual. Science when that becomes something that's called,
discriminatory we are truly losing our weight to have factual.
Conversations so that's what we, are standing up for one
another's right to speak, freely one another's rights to. Disagree
(01:30:25):
and just as let me put this, way, woman in the,
Workplace i've had guys call me, sweetie, honey, babe, darling
all of. THAT i have every, ability as a grown
individual to SAY i would prefer you do.
Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Not call me.
Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
That sometimes they listen to, me sometimes they. DIDN'T i
never called the government on. THEM i just simply SAID
i would prefer that you. Don't was that person, Wrong,
yeah but it is something that we have to find
a way to work. Together not probably the best, analogy
but there you have. It we're winding up now towards
the end of the, show AND i want.
Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
To switch a little bit to some good. News you,
know we've talked about a lot of topics.
Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Today we've talked about the Anti semitism over nine hundred percent,
increase nearly nine hundred percent increase in anti, semitism AND
i want to come back to some of these things
BECAUSE i do.
Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Think the most powerful part of today's, show if.
Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
You did not see it or listen to, it excuse,
me was when we had at the two o'clock, Hour
Rich socle joining, me someone who is a Devout jewish,
individual and talking about what is missed in all of.
Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
This there's a lot of injustice in the.
Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
World there is a lot of suffering in the, world
AND i encourage every single person to stand.
Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Up for it wherever you see that do and we
can do. It but we can do it without.
Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Violence we can do it Without now that is not
the Same people are using analogies of when you, know
The nazis took, over shouldn't civilians there have stood up
and taken?
Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Arms, yeah that's.
Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Different we're talking about a genocide, there and we're talking
about a, government which should have been had a revolution against.
Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
It that's what The American revolution was. About completely.
Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Different but when we're talking about, that he used a
phrase that was tikun, olam which is repair the. World
and what he was saying is just they're suffering everywhere
and we see. It BUT i think it's time for
us as a people group to stop for a moment and,
(01:32:24):
say what is the actual cause of?
Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
It not what is the quick.
Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Knee jerk reaction that we can have to what is
the actual cause and how do we actually address. THAT
i found an interesting story That Greta thunberg had a.
Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Ship she was on a ship that was.
Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Heading To gaza strip and the Israel Le's foreign ministry
called it the selfie yacht of celebrities BECAUSE i guess
they did not come with any actual goods for humanitarian,
aid but instead came just to take photos and to
basically showed themselves being. There, meanwhile what was happening that
(01:33:03):
wasn't being, Seen the good that was occurring that isn't being.
Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Seen, meanwhile while that was, happening.
Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
More than twelve HUNDRED aid trucks have Entered gaza From
israel within the past two weeks and The Gaza Humanitarian
foundation has distributed close to eleven million meals directly To
ziphilians In. Gaza there's a lot of good that we
actually can be.
Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Doing you.
Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Know it's interesting because WHEN i think about the couple
IN dc that were from The israeli, embassy one of
them was actually A, christian ONE i believe Was. Jewish
they were engaged to be. Married their lives were taken
by an individual who said he was doing it to Free,
(01:33:46):
palestine which, yes was a statement Against, israel and in
college campuses has now been you, know obviously married with
a whole lot of Anti semitic. Sentiment what were they
doing at this event at The Jewish museum IN.
Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Dc That's kinton.
Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Overlooked they were actually leaving an event focused for young
diplomats from many different countries from. That they Were, Muslim,
Christian jewish groups. Living they were coming together to bring
humanitarian aid Into. Gaza that's what they were. Doing that's
the event they were. LEAVING i also think it's time
(01:34:23):
for us to begin to see the good and where
we can make a difference for those who are looking
for an issue to stand and fight. FOR i hope
that you join a Run run For Their, lives which
is the organization that was attacked up In boulder by molotov.
Cocktails and it is not left or rightse not democratic,
(01:34:43):
republican it is not even in a political. Situation it
is standing for the remaining fifty five hostages who've been
held for six hundred and thirteen. DAYS i think that's
a place that we can all stand, together and what
we can do is begin to speak again this violent
rhetoric that is saying it is.
Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Okay it is okay.
Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
To become more and more. VIOLENT i have was a.
SITUATION i was down in the summer of twenty twenty
down The Civic Center park for the sixth Annual support
The police. Rally it has also been a long standing
tradition back in the summer of twenty, twenty and it's
(01:35:26):
always been like a family. Tradition, well we were there
in the moment that we got through with the national.
Anthem we were overrun by hundreds Of antifa to the
point where people are getting hit over the. Head someone
was bleeding behind, us and all we were there was
to stand for supporting the. Police is every police officer,
(01:35:47):
perfect absolutely not in any, group there are individuals that
are not being their.
Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Best, selves to say the.
Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Least but this whole cell categorizing and vilifying of individuals
is what we have to stand.
Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Against i've seen it.
Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
Firsthand there were some wrongs that maybe people originally wanted
to stand up, against but that wholesale attack on police
officers and those who are supporting them was not the
way to do.
Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
It there are things we can stand, for we can.
Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Stand, together we can support one, another we can stand
against the dehumanization of any people. Group and, yes talking
about protecting girls' sports and girls safe, spaces it's not
speaking out against a people. Group it's simply saying that's
a place where we can agree that there is a
significant discrimination happening to.
Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Those who have the female.
Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Chromosomes that's happening right. Now BUT i will stand for
anyone's life right to live. Free we can do that.
Together that's my, hope that's our. CALL i want to
end with some good news BECAUSE i want to talk
about how there are some people doing amazing, things standing
up individuals and.
Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Just giving.
Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
HOPE i THINK i would SAY i want to share
one story before we. GO a young woman Named Maya,
mehrhege seventeen years, old pancreatic cancer. Survivor she is about
to be the youngest person ever to Achieve All ocean sevens.
Challenge NOW i know very little about this because it's
(01:37:25):
SOMETHING i would never ever do because it involves the
potential of. Sharks let's just stop, there saw jaws at
a formative, age would never feture to do. That she
stills a few to. Go but recently she swam The
New zealand cook. Straight she's did a twenty seven mile
swim through. Jellyfish she got. Stung she kept going cold.
(01:37:47):
Water really the average water temperature was very. Low but
WHAT i loved about seventeen years old and she did
it to raise over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
for cancer. RESEARCH i think that's a miracu particularly in
a day and age where we're telling young people that
they're not, resilient that they're not, okay where we have
the whole era of safe spaces With plato and all of,
(01:38:10):
that where you, know on college, campuses calls to the
police department and counselors if there is you, know a
rat in a room have been escalating time that we
begin to encourage young people and everyone around. Us we're
a lot more resilient and strong than. That you, Know
i'm a mom of two gen Z, ers And i'm
(01:38:31):
really proud of that. GENERATION i love our kids and
proud of them and all that they have. Accomplished but
really this generation is beginning to reject a lot of
what has been handed to, them basically that they're not,
resilient that they can overcome. It this is the generation
that have lost a couple of years TO covid when
they were in.
Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Schools they're pushing back against.
Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
That there's, also by the, way you hear about all
of the protests on these college campuses that are Anti,
semitic Where jewish students have been trapped in libraries and
other places who felt like they had to remove anything
that might show that they are Actually. Jewish well among
that group right, now something else is happening on college
(01:39:15):
campuses THAT i find, encouraging whether you were A christian or.
Not people finding, faith finding something higher to live, for
finding an answer.
Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
To the depression that is causing so many issues at.
Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Age there are huge revivals that are happening in college
campuses all Over, america and many of them are being
led by. ATHLETES i in particular to one because my
husband's a Buck. Eye but on The Ohio State buckeye,
campus there was a revival that started by some of the,
athletes and hundreds of people came to a position of,
(01:39:53):
faith giving them. Hope happening all over in other college
campuses as. Well universe Of arkansas And texas and am
nearly ten thousand, Students Florida State, university Mand Mandy's Party
school nearly five thousand. STUDENTS i think something that signings.
Happening my number one hope is that brings us to
a point where we can treat one another with, respect
(01:40:16):
where we can stand for those who are truly being discriminated,
against we can stand against the dehumanizing of, others we
can stand for protecting those who are, vulnerable AND i
believe we can do it. Together maybe we can't complete
the job of repairing the, world BECAUSE i think Only
god can ultimately do, that but we can each do our.
Part And i'm grateful to have this conversation with.
Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
You thank you so. Much I'm Deborah, flora sitting in
For Mandy. Connell
You very long, I'm sure to figure out this is
not Mandy Connell. No, I'm Deborah Flora, and I am
happy to be sitting in for my good friend as
she is traversing the world doing something probably quite exotic
and fun at this point in time.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
But I'm happy to be with you today.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We're gonna have a great show ahead, so I encourage
you to stay for the full three hours. Coming up
at the two o'clock hour, I'm going to have Jennifer Say,
the world gymnast, world champion, actually US Champion gymnast, author,
founder of xxx Y. You're gonna want to hear about
her new lawsuit about a bill that came out of
(00:36):
this last legislation legislature. And then in the next hour
I'm gonna have with me Rich Sokel, and we're going
to talk about this really disturbing trend that is going
on the Anti Defamation League talking about a nearly nine
hundred percent increase in anti semitism in the last ten years.
But we're also going to talk about a way back
(00:59):
from that. So it's not just going to be the
bad news, it's going to be the good news as well,
and you're going to want.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
To hear the interview with rich Sokel.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
He's an amazing friend, a Patriots, someone who's lived in Israel,
who has a lot to say about the direction we're
heading and how he can turn back from it. But
now I want to start out by talking about I
may not have gone to exotic places like my good
friend Mandy Connell, but just got back from Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Don't know if you call that exotic.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It did used to be a swamp, so maybe that
makes it exotic.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It still is in some ways.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, Ross is still here in the studio and he's
correcting me as he well should.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It is still a swamp.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
But I want to actually share some good news, believe
it or not, Marxist moment in your calendar, I'm going
to share some good news out of Washington, DC. Sitting
in for me Andy Deborah Flora here well. When we
were in DC this past week. One of the reasons
that we were there is for the one hundredth anniversary
(01:59):
of the Peers decision, and we had an event in
front of the Supreme Court, in front of the Supreme
Court steps.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It seems like I've been there more and.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
More recently, particularly standing against some of the crazy policies
out of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But I digress.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
This is the hundredth anniversary of the Peers decision. Now,
why is it important and what is it about. Well,
many of you may or may not know that I've
worked for quite a long time in parental rights in
school choice. In fact, I've been traveling a lot the
last year working on school choice policy around the country.
It was nice to go to DC, by the way,
(02:35):
and know that I believe, under the current leadership of
the FBI, I'm no longer on the domestic terrorist list
as one of those moms who rabble roused at our
school board in Douglas County. So it's very fun to
go back in this capacity. So the Peers decision. One
hundred years ago, June first, nineteen twenty five, the Supreme
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Court decided there was an Oregon law that mandated that
every single child must attend public school, no other schools,
no other options, must attend public school. That was the
law in place one hundred years ago. And what was
so interesting about this law was because there have been
(03:18):
so many shifts in our society. And believe it or not,
this law actually was pushed by the KKK because it
had an anti Catholic basis. So this law was really
the Pierce versus the Society of Sisters, a Catholic organization
that had opened a school and was teaching children. But
here's the part that I want to bring up that
(03:38):
I think is so crucial.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
To this law. If you ever hear this phrase.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
This is where it came from the Supreme Court at
that time determined quote children are not mere creatures of
the state. That is so important because while that may
have seemed pretty, you know, common place common sense, that's
been challenged a lot lately. In fact, you'll hear people
(04:04):
from some of the teachers unions or some of the
common and I won my post last week that parents
have absolutely no right to have any saying their children's education.
And there has been a move back towards that direction. Well,
that's why we're celebrating one hundred years of that decision,
and since then there have been a lot of positive.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Things that have been happening. But I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Real quickly about some folks that were there, because at
this press conference that we held in front of the
Supreme Court steps, we had Education Secretary Linda McMahon, we
had represented Cat Keemick and Mary Miller, Senator Ashley Moody,
and then the CEO president of Alliance Defending Freedom, Christian Wagner,
was there also. And by the way, in the final
(04:47):
hour of the show, we're going to have one of
the attorneys for Alliance Defending Freedom with Jens. And there
was a recent court case that deadlocked at the Supreme Court.
Many of you may know that, and was whether or
not a charter school could be also a religious charter school.
It did a lot because Amy Komy Barrett had to
(05:09):
recuse herself and I respect that integrity, but it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Let's talk about this really.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
When my husband I made a documentary called Whose Children
Are They? And it's amazing that afterwards everybody was talking
about how we were saying that there was a desire
for the state to take over the children again. And
by the way, I had as a producer, I had
about three teams of lawyers. And never wants to be
(05:35):
get sued by the teachers unions or anyone else because
every single part of it was factual.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But let's be really clear.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
The father of modern education, John Dewey, who is the
lifetime Honorary president of the teachers' unions actually thought that
children were award of the state. He loved the Soviet
style of education. He did believe that only the state
should determine the upbringing of children. And that's how we've
gotten to this point again. But it was a very
(06:05):
positive case and it is one that I believe is
bearing fruit traveling around the country working on school choice.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
There is an explosion of it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Happening predominantly what we would call red states with legislation
that's providing all kinds of new educational opportunities for students.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And by the way, anyone.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Who's had more than one child, and yes I am
a mom, I'm not a birth in person.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Don't call me birth in person even if you text.
I'm a mom.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Eddie.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Parent who's had more than one child understands how every
single child is different. That's what school choice is about.
Not every child learns the same. I share this story,
and our daughter's fine with us sharing it. We have
two kids, one who wanted to go to public high
school because he played football and he loved that atmosphere,
(06:56):
and he went to a very good.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
One, thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
They went to a private school growing up in kindergarten
and elementary school because we weren't for the early introduction
of sexual education at that age. But then our daughter,
who like many girls, was not diagnosed as autistic until
she was in ninth grade.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
She'd gone from being a strade a.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Student to starting to have a lot of issues including anxiety,
tax etc. Well, we were able to shift her to
a different kind of education.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
She got to go to.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Colorado early colleges, she got to take all of her
classes at a community college, graduated, and went from someone
who was struggling in school her freshman year to graduated
with a four point six GPA with both her high
school diploma and her associates degree. I got to tell you,
I don't know where she would be today if we
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hadn't had school choice.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
That's why it's important.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
By the way, you better believe that every parent knows
better than the state the kind of education that betts
fit best fits.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Their own child.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So let's all celebrate pierce decision where they absolutely, definitively
claimed children are not mere creatures of this state, and
I'm grateful for that. Let's talk about some other interesting
unanimity which you don't normally see very much in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And this also has to do with the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Several decisions have come out five recently. We'll believe it
or not, this court was unanimous. I mean, let's just
pause for a moment. This court, with Katanji, Brown, Jackson
and Clarence Thomas and everyone in between, was unanimous. And honestly,
when you hear these cases, I think it is because
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some of the laws that are getting taken to the
highest quart of our land are so so completely nonsensical,
so completely unconstitutional. Clearly, so they're shaming unanimous decisions.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And these are some good things.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And by the way, it doesn't matter where you fall
in the political spectrum. There is right and there is wrong.
There's constitutional and there's not constitutional. There is freedom and
there is force, and these are positive things in the
side of common sense, constitutionality and common sense.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Let me just share a couple of them.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The first one could just possibly be detailed or defined
as the Supreme Court said, discrimination is discrimination. That's pretty
much all it said. And many of you may know
about this case. It's the Aims versus Ohio Department of
Youth Services.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Woman, Marlene Ames, who was passed over twice, not once,
but twice for Raises, although her work was reported to
be excellent. Why because she was straight and white, she
was passed over twice, where two people from the LGBTQ
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community were promoted above her. And here's what's fascinating about
this case. We're finally getting back to the point where
we can finally say there is actually no such thing
as quote unquote. This is this is radio air quotes,
air quotes. Reverse discrimination. Discrimination is discrimination. And the basic
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gist of this was if you are considered to be
part of a majority group, you had a higher standard
of having to prove discrimination than if you weren't. And
amazingly all of the Supreme Court justices agreed that that
is still discrimination. If you're discriminated because you're white, if
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you're discriminated against because you're straight, if you're discriminated against
because you are name the you know, race, sex, etc.
That you're not allowed to discriminate against, it's still discrimination.
That's why I think it was unanimous, even Katanji Jackson.
Justice Jackson weighed in and agreed with this. By the way,
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this is coinciding right now with a very interesting trend
where many corporations are rolling back their DEI policies. Over
the last two years, reports show many companies are rolling
back their DEI policies. And this is following the Supreme
Court's other decision a little while back that banned affirmative
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action in colleges. So if that's an interesting, amazing unanimous
decision by the Supreme Court, here's another one that I
think just goes into the well.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It was so crazy they had to be unanimous on it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Category the unanimous decision to the Supreme Court that gun
manufacturers are not liable for the crimes of Mexican drug cartels. Now,
let me phrase this a little bit differently. This court
case was because the Government of Mexico suit seven American
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gun manufacturer basically saying that they were responsible for the
fact that drug cartels got these guns and therefore perpetrated
really horrific crimes. That is beyond absurd. And by the way,
let's just give a little bit of history. Many of
you may have heard of John Fabricatory. I've had him
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on when I've guest hosted before and when I used to.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Have my own radio show.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
John is former ICE Department head regional.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Head over Colorado, this region.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
We went down to the borders together in twenty twenty
three and I learned a very interesting thing about the
real reason why drug cartels have guns, and it has
nothing to do with the manufacturers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It has to do with this.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Back in nineteen seventy one, a group of brave Mexican
citizens rose up against a very corrupt government and we're
fighting against him. And what did the government do. They
banned almost all guns. They took away their Second Amendment rights.
And the result is now in Mexico, there's one gun
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store in Mexico City.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
If you're able.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
As a citizen to save up enough money because it's exorbitant,
you have to get to Mexico City. If you can
do all of that and get the permit and you
finally are able to purchase a weapon, you end up
only being able to use it in your house. That
is the current situation in Mexico. And what does that
lead to, By the way, you ban good people from
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protecting themselves with firearms, and what happens Only the drug
cartels and oftentimes a corrupt military in between are the
ones with the guns. So, believe it or not, that
was a unanimous decision somewhat pro Second Amendment because you
cannot fault the gun manufacturers for the fact that the
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Mexican government created in an environment where the drug catails
pretty much run.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I think somebody told me it was.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Like sixty percent of Mexico that they run. I don't
know if that's exactly right, but it's a large portion.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So that was another unanimous Supreme Court decision.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
One other that I want.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
To bring up before we get to the break the
unanimous decision.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Again, this was in.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Favor of a Catholic charity, and basically Wisconsin wrongly said
that this Catholic charity, because they were not just preaching,
because they were actually serving those in need, did not
get to have a tax exempt status because serving those
in need or those who were less fortunate was somehow
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not a religious activity. This was unanimously decided against. And
believe it or not, just as Sodamayor wrote the decision,
here's what's absurd about that and why I think we
are having some of these unanimous decisions.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Not that there's this.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Sudden major shift towards to unanimity of every constitutional principle.
But let's just break this down for a second. When
government gets to decide what is.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Someone's true form.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Of religious practice, you've opened a Pandora's box. And by
the way, as a Christian, one of the tenets of
the Christian faith is service to the poor, service to
the needi, taking care, and serving one another. In fact,
almost all of the hospitals and orphanages and all that
sort of care originally came out of the church.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So it was absurd for them to say they.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Would not be considered religious simply because they were serving others.
You know, it's it's interesting. My hope is things have
gotten so absurd that even the Supreme Court justices who
have been on the wrong side of constitutionalism for quite
a while, are waking up because when we look at
even the rule the separation of church and state. I
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think almost all of you probably know that was in
a letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Not saying that the.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Religious people in our country are not allowed to express
themselves in the public square.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, it was exactly the opposite.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It was promising that the government would not intrude on
the free exercise of religion. Well, that is a little
bit of good news out of DC that that is
being reiterated.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Believe it or not, I will when we.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Come back, share one of my craziest stories in front
of the Supreme Court, because there is some crazy stuff.
By the way, when we had the rally or the
press conference on Tuesday in DC and Deborah Flora, by
the way, if you're just tuning in sitting in for
Andy Connell, we had one loan protester who stood out
there and honestly, she was like a naughty toddler. I
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felt like I needed to put her in time out
because all she did was say the F word over
and over and over again as as many times as
she could within the thirty four minute press conference. She
almost got horse and she just found unique ways to
repeat it. And when one of the people from our
side walked up to her and said, hey, I'll pay
you three.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Hundred dollars to stop doing.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
This, she goes, Oh, I get paid so much more
to stand here and try to disrupt what you're doing.
So there's the truth of what was really happening. But
when we come back, I'm going to talk about some
of the other topics, particularly obviously what's going on in
Los Angeles, but you'll want to listen to the craziest
story in front of the Supreme Court steps. You'll never
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believe what happened with a crowd when we were there
for the three to zero three creative case out of Colorado.
When we come back, I'm going to talk about that,
and I want to invite you to text on in here.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Text me what is the.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Craziest headline you've read recently, because some of these rollings
are super crazy. The text line is five six six
nine zero. That's five six six nine zero. And here's
another question for you. Do you think the unanimous decisions
Supreme Court are going to continue or was this just
a happy reprieve that we have had here. Well, I
want to hear from when we come back once again.
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Text into five six' six nine. Zero this Is Deborah
flora sitting in From Mandy connell AND i traveled but
just back FROM. Dc as we were sharing about in
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the first, Segment niavender shared great information about.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Two of the top stories that we'll really be.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Covering more in depth, today and that is obviously the
horrific attack up In. Boulder at the top of the next,
hour we're going to Have Rich SOCl with.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Me he is An american.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Patriot he is and really an expert On Israel american.
Relations he was a resident Of israel for quite a.
While and we're going to talk about that and talk
about what all of us can do to take a
stand for what is right against the hate that seems
to be growing so much unfortunately in our.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Country and also about The la.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
RIOTS i want to spend just a little bit of
time talking about that BECAUSE i grew up In.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Colorado does always have to say that as a, precursor.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
BECAUSE i am not in an Invading, california BUT i
did have temporary insanity and lived IN la for a
little while after growing up On Lowry Air Force. Base
so WHEN i hear AND i see what keeps happening
in that, CITY i would like to Say i'm, surprised
BUT i am not surprised one. Bit so as we
know over the weekend anti ice, riots know they were.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Not mostly peaceful.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Demonstrations is becoming the mantra once again is a total
throwback to after The George floyd burning summer of twenty,
twenty that famous image of the reporter in front of
a burning building saying mostly. Peaceful you know, what my
hope is this time around The american people aren't going
to buy. IT i don't think they did the last time.
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Either but let's talk about what really has been happening
and a little bit of how it got this out of. Control,
so first of, all beginning the process of.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Deporting those who are here, ILLEGALLY.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Ice as we, know arrested some reports say about one
hundred people throughout The Los angeles area in a little
bit in DOWNTOWN, la at a home, depot. Etc AND
ice has released Or Homeland security released a list of
some of those, folks many of whom have murder, convictions
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sexual assault, convictions and they are really basically doing what they,
said going after the worst of the.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Worst don't know the full.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Details others might have been arrested at the same time
who are here. Illegally but let's talk a little bit
about what the legacy media is saying and what is the.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Truth AND i.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Gotta SAY i don't say this with any. Satisfaction it
actually is disturbing to me how little camp Evidence americans
now have in, media in particular in, government in many
forms of our. Institutions that's not good or healthy for our,
society but its reality when it comes to, media it's
pretty understandable after WHAT i just shared. Out they've report
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on these things. Before but you, know even Though Gavin
newsom is trying to take the high ground as he's
standing in front of television showing burning, activities, vandalism violence
happening and saying basically shame on the president for sending
The National. Guarden there was warnings by the president a
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few times before The National guard was sent, in and
after the first full day of rioting In Los, angeles
from reports that we're, hearing nothing was, done nothing was,
done so of course it escalated and it got even
more out of. Control and here are some of the
things THAT i find ABSOLUTELY.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I don't, Know i'm running out of.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
WORD i can't even believe that anyone who knows me
knows that is.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Rare but how do you describe it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
When the media is Attacking ice for wearing a, mask
and meanwhile people who are burning, cars wrecking, businesses causing,
vandals them throwing from some, reports whether they succeed or,
not a type of molotov cocktail, bottles rocks towards police.
Officers they're wearing masks the perpetrators and nothing is being.
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Said and then you get down to even Beyond Gavin,
newsom who basically said he is suing the, administration and
he claimed That trump has created the conditions around the.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Protests you know, WHAT i think the.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Conditions were created more than anything by the vilifying OF
ice agents and referring to them as brown shirts and
other things like. That you say these things enough and
it provides complete justification and cover for those who want
to do. Ill how about Lay La Mayor Karen. Bass
she also blamed the, president saying this is intentional chaos quote, Unquote,
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yes it is intentional chaos by those who are out there,
rioting those are out there burning.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Things it is absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Crazy and by the, way let's just understand the bent
of some of these.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
People La Mayor Karen.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Bass she is a huge, fan as she has said numerous,
times of, socialism communism in Particular.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Castro in, fact.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
She worked In Castro's cuba in the nineteen seventies and
with all of that, background.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Reportedly she was on the short list as A vp
pick For. Biden these things.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Are getting dragged in the light are. Crazy but here's
the THING i really just want to focus on BECAUSE
i don't want to.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Just give you.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Facts let's talk about what the role of government. IS i, mean,
really what is the role of government when we've gotten
out of the days of kings and monarchs and, dictators
which was a majority of human, history and the role
of government was to serve their. Wishes, basically government when
it came To western, civilization basically has a couple of.
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Jobs one protect the safety of its. Citizens to provide.
Infrastructure that's really the ultimate ultimate. Job IN la WHEN
i lived, there believe it or, not let's talk about.
Infrastructure different Mayor samuel's. Story there were news stories that
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because they could not even take out the trash in
Downtown Los, angeles they were incapable of doing that most basic.
Operation there was an outbreak of, typhoid there was one
case at least report of. Leprosy basically returned to The
Middle ages of. Diseases that is.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
One of the most basic jobs of a.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Government, now let's talk about safety and security.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Under this mayor and this. Governor who is being.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Hurt most by these, riots whether it was all the
way back to The Rodney king, riots or is it
twenty twenty, riots or is this? Right what property is
getting destroyed predominantly those of lower income inner city usually
predominantly minority.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Communities no protection.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
There this same, mayor by the, way is the one
that oversaw the other burning Of Los angeles was the
absolute incompetent preparation and facilitating during the fires Of Los.
ANGELES i really think it's time to get back to
a basic conversation of what is government supposed to? Do
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not dictate everyhere of our, lives not tell us how
to raise our. Children how about safety and? Security i'm
going to read a comment that just came in combat can.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Be described as mostly.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Peaceful it is correctly described as ninety percent boredom and
ten Percent, hell if you describe the damage and not the.
PERCENTAGES i would really like to challenge this listener that
the moral equivalency between those serving in the military and the,
rioters by the, way who are holding flags of other
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countries as they're destroying the very country they're trying to
say they want to be a part. Of no moral
equivalencies at. All so when you look at it this,
way it's really time and this should not be by the,
way left or, Right Democrat. Republican this really should be,
saying what do we expect from government if it is
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not to protect the safety of its citizens and to provide.
Infrastructure let's just bringing close to home here In. COLORADO
i traveled all over The Eastern plains last year WHEN
i was running FOR cd. Four those roads out, there
they are so big that they're the. Residents the potholes
are so, big and the roads are so bad that.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Many trucks don't even want to go on them.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Anymore is making it hard for basic commerce to. Happen
that's one of the things that color is responsible.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
For how about protecting the safety of its. Citizens how about.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
The fact that Now colorado has become number one amongst
the most populous states and violent.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
CRIME i think.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
That that's what we need to get back to in,
governance not this finger, pointing not this focusing on social,
agendas but that basic idea of. GOVERNANCE i want to
hear from you if you disagree five six six nine.
Zero what do you think the role of government? Is
what do you think the basic role of government? IS
i want to hear from. You five sixty six nine.
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Zero I'm Deborah Flora city in For Mandy connell For Mandy,
connell appreciate all the texts that are coming in five
six six nine. Zero that's five six six nine. Zero,
well talking ABOUT la and the lack of ability for
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really basic, order whether it was the And i'm not
laughing at the tragedy for those who are, there but
they may have voted for some of this governance which
is allowed for horrendous fires to occur without preparation for.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It now allowing the streets to be.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Filled with those who are not mostly peacefully. Protesting SO
i posed this question before we went to the, break
what is the proper role of? Government and so many
of you are getting AN a plus on this. Quiz
i'll just outline it here And i'm going to read
some of the. Comments from my, viewpoint this is. It
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government has only one job under our, CONSTITUTION i believe
in any moral, manner which is to protect the rights
and the safety.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Of its, citizens not to tell us what to.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Do and WHEN i mean, Safety i'm not meaning, like,
oh you're not allowed to during that, huge big goal
because it's not good for.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You so it's not.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Safe, no none of that nanny state. Stuff but there
is a law and order element of. It and WHEN
i talk about the rights of the, citizens that also
means just basic infrastructure so we can go about our, lives,
commerce et. Cetera things like. That many of you stated
that one person, said one said the proper world of
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governments to protect our rights. Exactly and by the, way
it's not to give us our, rights because it can't
take them from. Us because the government does not give
us our. Rights we know those are given to us
by our, creator and government can certainly try to infringe
on our, rights but they can set up the system
to protect them for everyone without tipping the.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Scale here's another.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
One, ever safety and security are only the job of
the government at the national. SCALE i would kind of
argue with that a little bit because when you have
the local level or the county, level you got the sheriff's,
department you have the police, departments so it is, actually you,
know their job to help keep this from. Happening but,
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yes in the federal government, circumstance the federal government does
have the right to secure our border so that bad
actors are not coming across the, border and that is
there are different roles at different.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
LEVELS i agree with.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That here's another, listener, governor's state and federal are to
implement taxes to cover roads and infrastructure and protection via
police and. Military, yeah to a. Cercumstance, certainly you, Know
i'm not a zero tax. Person i'm certainly a less
tax person than what we have because we don't have
a tax. Problem we have a spending. Problem but here's
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the part THAT i want to transition, to because when
we come back at the top of the, hour we're
going to talk about something THAT i think is very,
disturbing and this one listener's comment points to. IT i
share this listener's comment prior to the, break BUT i
want to point to it. Again WHEN i was talking
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about how the riots in basically it started in la
and or having other places are not mostly, peaceful this, listener,
really And i'll just say this, way had the audacity
to make moral equivalents between the military PROTECTING us abroad
and fighting for the protection Of america and liberty with
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lawless individuals who are breaking the, law, trashing causing. Damage
they're not just they're not hurting no, one by the.
Way they are, hurting oftentimes the poorest people in the
inner city, communities hurting police, officers that is a lawless.
Act but what that listener's comment points out to me
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is one of the biggest most disturbing TRENDS i think
we're seeing in our country right, now which is the
normalization and justification of violence that is being normalized.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
In a civil. Society that is a.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Crime violently attacking others is a, crime but what this
normalization of. It and we've seen you, know this should
not be a left or arrived but we have seen
a lot of The democrats trying to find footing after
the last, election really advocating for greater violence using.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
PROFANITY i, Mean i'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Prude but that's really not elevating the public discourse to
find common ground and solve.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Problems Right there's been this push in this, direction and
what is that led? To that has led to.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
A nearly nine hundred percent increase in anti semitism anti
Anti semitic acts in the last. Decade colorado had a
three hundred and eighty three PERCENT i think it was
nearly four hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Percent increase in five.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Years that leads me to what we're gonna talk about
when we come, back which is the attack In boulder
that happened one week ago, yesterday and how every single
one of us can play a part to no longer normalize,
violence but to speak out against.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
It so when we come, back we're going to talk about.
That i'm gonna be joined my rich.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Circle you won't want to miss this very moving and
empowering conversation that we're going to.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Have don't go.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Anywhere I'm Deborah flora sitting in For Mandy. Connell they're good.
Things we will share some good, news but we also
have some sobering topics to, discuss and one of THOSE
i want to just jump right into Because i've got
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a great guest joining us.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Here and as many of you.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Know a week ago yesterday was a horrific attack In
boulder where the person who was From egypt here illegally
Through molotov cocktails and to a crowd of individuals who
were simply there helping. People remember the hostages that were
taken six hundred and thirteen days ago By hamas in
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a brutal, Attack and it is time for us to
make sure we all understand that we have a role
to play to de escalate the Anti semitism that is going,
on the normalization of violence and standing up for those
who are trying to read individuals.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Like this out of our.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Country, well joining me today is a dear, friend someone
who is a. Patriot he serves on The South Metro
Fire District. Board he has served in many different. Ways
he is An american, citizen has lived In israel and
is always helping us have a perspective on what is
really going. On and that Is Rich. Socle, rich thank
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you so much for joining. ME i appreciate.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
It, hey it's my pleasure to be with. YOU i
wish you could be under better.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Circumstance, YES i, know one of these Times i'm going
to have you come. On you're a really funny, guy
and sometimes we're going to have you come on and
just tell. Jokes but that is not, today. Unfortunately you,
KNOW i just want to jump right into it with, You.
Rich over the years That i've done, radio you And
i've been on the air right After october, SEVENTH i
want people to remember that day because when we forget
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the horrors of that, attack that, barberism just give us
a very quick overview again of what happened that, Day,
rich how many people were killed by hamas and those
are brutal.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Attacks how many. Hostages, sarah thank.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
You so we actually should go back to nineteen forty
eight When israel was formed and Five arab argies Attacked
israel on the day of declared its independence and no
one Thought israel would win because they were outnumbered one
hundred and, one, outdone outmanned out. Everything, yes and yet
they want but unfortunately there's still been a large part
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of The arab population that does not accept the the
existence of A jewish state in so they are sworn
to its destruction and they have been Fighting israel basically ever.
Since there's been several, wars so most people In israel
think of this as just a continuation Of israel's war for.
Existence so On october, Seventh hamas which is The islamic
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terrorist Group hamas Means Islamic resistance movement and they control
The Gaza strip After israel unilatterally pulled out and gave
it to The gazans that unfortunately they voted In, hamas
which is an internationally recognized terrorist organization and Has amas
has ruled The Gaza strip since two thousand and, seven
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and instead of building power plans and infrastructure and, Airports
hamas instead has built tunnels to house their their terrorists
and to house their weapons and set up their communications.
Network And hamas has been Attacking israel on and off
ever since they took power in two thousand and. Seven,
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yeah and.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Iteration and one THING i want to point out real
quickly when people talk about the civilian casualties In Gaza,
strip those tunnels were purposely built under schools and under
hospitals Where hamas has used human. Shields so so many
of the casualties were because of the Way hamasa that
that was, purposeful that was, Intentional AND i just want
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to make that.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Point but let's, KNOW i think you were leading up
To october.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Seventh so On october, Seventh hamas again, attack and this, time,
unfortunately they were much more successful than they have it
in the, past and roughly three thousand terrorists breached the
fence that Separates israel From, gaza and they overran several
military posts. Nearby they overran several communities, nearby killing all the.
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Inhabitants were aware of the music. Festival they were in
the large music festival going on, nearby and paragliders from
hamasue came in and killed hundreds of young. People who
were accept the theme of the music festival was peace and.
Love Unfortunately hamas didn't get that memo and on that,
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day roughly twelve hundred is really civilians were killed and
two hundred and fifty five were taken hostage back To. Gaza,
well and then you mentioned, earlier.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Yeah go, ahead, no go, ahead for no Continue and
we know right.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Now as you, mentioned there's still fifty five hostages left Inside,
gaza in the tunnels Of Gaza. As some of them
have been rescued or released in prisoner in. Swaps we
hear the stories of how they are literally. Tortured they're literally,
starved they're. Chained the average food has, been you, know
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a piece of moldy bread a. Day they're being brutalized
by their, captors and some of, them when they've been,
released they literally look like they've come out of a concentration. Camp.
Yeah So hamas is, brutal, brutal, brutal and why the
world doesn't see this is beyond.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Me, yeah you, know and one one quick.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Thing when you see, EVERYBODY i feel that the world
is looking for a, cause but they're embracing the wrong,
ones you, know embracing and standing up for people who
are here, illegally not all of whom are, criminals but many.
Are if you want a cause to stand up, for
let's stand against the true barbarism that is. Happening the
fact that you, know you And i've talked To, Rich
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we've seen the Unedited hamas bodycam. Footage there is no
moral equivalency here between anything other Than hamas and pure, barbarism,
terrorism horrific. Activities so now we go To boulder a
little bit over a week, ago and this was a
group Called run for Their.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
LIVES i think it's a great.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Name because the fifty five remaining, hostages now six hundred
and thirteen days in, captivity cannot run for their. Lives
so this is the only reason that they were. There
and then you have this horrendous attack by An egyptian
national who was here. Illegally let's talk about something you brought.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Up an interesting, point by the, way.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Because people are always looking at an instance and trying
to fit into whatever narrative they want to. Push so you,
know obviously this happened In, boulder the individual traveled all
the way.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Up From Colorado.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Springs can you talk about what you found interesting about.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
That, Sure so we know the perpetrator came From Colorado
springs and he drove all the way up by twenty,
five Asked denver To boulder to commit this. Attack, now
the Group run For Their lives has two walks here Every.
Sunday one is actually in Wash park here In, denver
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and the other is In. Boulder so the perpetrator throw
literally ON i twenty, five asked the Wash park march
and went all the way up To. Boulder so the
question is why did he do? That why didn't he
just go to the closer one in Wash. Park and
we don't know the, answer of, course but people are
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speculating it's because of the difference in concealed carry laws
Between denver And. Boulder so In denver and public spaces
you were allowed to concealed. Carry In bolder you are.
Not so what struck me WHEN i saw the videos
of what happened when he threw the molotov. Cocktails there
are literally people on the, ground his, victims these peaceful
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marchers on the ground on, fire and other people, nearby
of course are getting water and trying to bounce the fires.
Out meanwhile the perpetrator is just walking back and, forth
literally ten feet away from where the people are that
he just set on, fire and no one's taking the guy.
Out we got very lucky Last sunday that he threw
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two molotov. Cocktails he had over a dozen more with
him that.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
He could have.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Thrown because the police are, great the first responders got
there pretty, quickly but it still took three, minutes, yes
the first nine to one one call to the time
the police apprehended. Him think about the damage he could
have done in that three.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Minutes, Yeah, so, yeah that's a huge.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Point there was, someone if there had been someone there
who could have taken the guy. Out in, RETROSPECT i wish,
there of course there would have.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Been but, YEAH i, think you.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Know we have to recognize what our laws are and
why this guy went To boulder instead of doing this In.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Denver, yeah you.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
AND i were talking about people like this are, evil
AND i don't use that word very, often but certainly
in this. CASE i don't know another word THAT i
could possibly, Use but they're not. Stupid and that's the
same case when you look at there were a theater
shooter went past numerous theaters closer to his home and
went to one specifically that was a quote unquote gun free.
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Zone they know where to go to have maximum. Damage
and the horrific perpetrator of this action In, boulder as we,
know had been denied a. Permit it can still carry.
Permit but once again that actually proves the. Point it
doesn't matter the method of destruction that someone. Uses it
matters the person and their. Intent whether it's people driving
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cars into, gatherings whether it is someone now doing homemade molotov.
Cocktails if to desire and the hate is, there they
will find a way no matter what the tool they.
Use and like you, said you know antisecond amendment can still.
Carry anti can seal carry laws only keep the good
people from carrying the, weapons not those who wish to do.
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ILL i want to talk about this aspect rich BECAUSE
i KNOW i can imagine And i've got many friends
like you who Are jewish and what this rise in
Anti semitism hows impact. You AND i want people to
hear this, directly AND i want anyone listening to put
yourself in the position of someone who Is jewish, today a,
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parent a. Grandparent rise of Anti semitism has risen by
almost nine hundred. Percent in the last ten years in our.
Country The Anti Defamation league has said that In, colorado
nearly four hundred percent and five. Years you're a, Parent,
rich tell me what this is like and what it
is doing to so many in your.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Community so there is just out and out fear right
now in our. Community jewish people feel very. UNSAFE i
know YESTERDAY i was at synagogue and at all synagogue
events now and my synagogue we have to have an
Arm guardy five years ago we didn't have an arm.
Guard and that's just not my, synagogue that's every synagogue
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In america basically now has to have arm. Guard we
have people trained at our synagogue that patrol the, grounds
that carry just so that we're prepared in case something.
Happens BUT i think even more so than just, that
we also fear for our. Children, so for, example one
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of my children is going to The East coast On
wednesday to A jewish leadership, seminar and my wife AND
i are having the discussion should she wear anything that
identifies her as Being. Jewish she wears A star Of
david around her, neck so we're discussing whether or, not
seeing the other kids she's going, with should they even
wear that because if they're identified As, jewish they could
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be at. Risk we know Other jewish, families Most jewish
families on their, doorposts on their front door to their,
homes they have what's called the, miszuzza which is a
squirrel with a prayer. INSIDE a while of The jewish families
are now thinking of taking down their messizza's because they
don't want anyone to know that They're, jews because they
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may be at. Risk now let me say against. THIS
i think by doing those, things we let the terrorists,
win and we never let the terrorist. Win we can't
alter what we. Do we need to stand, up stand,
strong stand, loud stand. Proud but the fear's still. There
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and who would have thought this could have happened in our? Backyard?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Dead, YEAH i.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
Agree up the, road, yeah you know.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
It takes a flamethrow and throws molotov cocktails at elderly
people who are just, marching you, know for release of.
Hostages and by the, way that people want to know
for the. March you could be any political. Persuasion and
there are people on the, left there are people on the.
Right this is not a political statement about the israelijas of.
War all it was was we want to bring attention
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to the hostages and get our hostages. Home there's no
other political statement than. That and yet the guy who
did this wanted to kill zis who wanted to Kill.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Jews, YEAH i, agree and he made that very.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Clear And i'm grateful that for, once when we see
an attack like, this there isn't this long pause of
what we're trying to figure out his. Motive he said
what his motive. Was he wanted to Kill zionists in
any way anywhere he. COULD i want to end with,
This Rich and if you're tuning In Deborah floor sitting
in For Mandy, connell my, Guest Rich, socle you know
you pointed out that people that were there In bolder
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a week ago and also then yesterday therefore a, positive
peaceful reason standing up for releasing of, hostages you, know
not realizing that that's what that was, about or maybe
did and didn't.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Care but people need.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
To know, that you, know when we talk about the
moral equivalency of And i'll share after the break a
story WHEN i was at The Holocaust museum this past.
Weekend but this moral equivalency where they're trying to, say,
oh you, know, Well israel killed individuals In, gaza which
we've just stated was really, hummage using them as human.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Shields this whole moral equivalency, idea which is.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
False can you share, something beautif that you talked with
me about of what the True jewish goal is and
as A, christian by the, way kind of a grafted,
mind it's my goal as.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Well you just said it so. Beautifully so we As.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Jewish people that believe That god gave us a, purpose
and that purpose is coined in The hebrew phrase tikun.
Olam tkun means to repair and olam means the. World
so we believe the, purpose the reason for The jewish
people is to repair the world wherever we see, injustice
wherever we see, suffering and so many of us have
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dedicated our lives to, that so we know we have
a long ways to, go and of course we invite
all peoples to join us in. This it's not just
A jewish, cause it's a human. Cause and we're also
taught that we may not be able to solve.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Every problem in the, world nor are.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
We allowed to refrain from, trying so we do our
part and we hope others follow us until we can
create a better and more perfect. World, yeah and that's
what we try and, do and that's what we urge
others to join, us and hopefully we lead by.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
Example, WELL i.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Tell, YOU i Know i'm joining. YOU i know many others.
Well and that is really one of the reasons WHY
i want to end with, That, rich because it's such
a beautiful way for listeners to understand the tamping down
of this, hate of this anti, semitism of this, dehumanizing
of this normalization of. Violence it's going to take every
single one of, us and you And i've talked a
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lot about there's two battlefields here for what's going on
the fight against the barbarism in The gaza. Strip there
is the actual, battlefield the military, battlefield and then there's
a battlefield a public, opinion and.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Every one of us can be a part of.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
That and say this is, wrong this is a human,
goal and let's join with the Beautiful jewish statement of
Tikun olam to repair the.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
WORLD i think that's. Beautiful thank, You.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Rich we're heading to a, break BUT i so appreciate you,
joining my, friend AND i want you to Know i'm
speaking for, myself BUT i Know i'm speaking for many.
Others we are praying for, You we're praying for Our
jewish brothers and sisters in this, country and we will
work together to get to a point where no one
needs to feel like they're afraid for their children if
they wear something expressing their identity or their.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Faith so thank you so, much my. Friendad thank.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
You if your listeners want to join us at run
for their lives at the, walk It's denver's ten am
On Sunday boulders at eleven. Am you could just google,
it but that's a tangible way that you can say
we stand for, good we stand for fixing our, world
and we stand against.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Terrorists here, here we will be, There we will be joining.
You so thank you for. That thank.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
You Rich we're hand your. Break you take care And
god bless.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
You god bless. You thank, You thank.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
You bye. Bye, well don't go. Anywhere when we come,
back we're going to talk a little bit more about.
This BUT i want us.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
All to think about that, phrase takun olam repair the.
World we are not responsible for doing. It solely gone
and ultimately has to do. It but the reality is
we are not off the hook for doing our best
in that area and we.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Can that's a hopeful part we come.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Back we'll continue that conversation if you want to text
in five six six nine. Zero that's five six six nine.
Zero this Is Deborah flora sitting in For Mandy. Connell
Deborah flora sitting in For Mandy. Connell, well if you
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missed our last, INTERVIEW i really encourage you to make
sure and listen to it when you have the, podcast
because it was a very moving interview With Rich. Sokel
he has been a longtime, friend someone who's lived In.
Israel he's A jewish, individual man of great, faith a,
father talking about what it is like now as a
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parent being concerned whether or not your child where's something
that might indicate to someone else.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
That they Are.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Jewish that's the state that we're in right, now and
it's time we all pull back from. IT i wanted
to share and continue on SOMETHING i think was so
moving in this. Interview course we're discussing The boulder attack
that happened a week ago.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yesterday encourage everyone.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Who's listening if you, want if you want to cause
many people seem to be looking for a cause you
want to. Cause how about we all stand together against
the hate of Anti. Semitism Every sunday In denver and In,
boulder there is a group Called run For Their. Lives
their entire purpose is not. Political you can come from
any walk of. Life it is simply, saying we are
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running for the lives of the hostages who've been held
for six hundred and thirteen days By hamas in barbaric.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Fashion that's what the gathering was that was attacked a
week ago.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yesterday BUT i particularly loved the phrase That rich shared
that The jewish, faith and As i've, Shared i'm A
christian AND i feel a great kinship and an extension
really of The jewish. Faith he said that The jewish
people are taught That god has given them a. PURPOSE
i Think he's given us soul a, purpose and it
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is referred to in The jewish faith as tikun olam
repair the. World and what that means is we understand
that ultimately it isn't up to us. Individually Only god
can actually do, that but we are called to do
everything that we. Can it reminds me Of Mother teresa
when she would save an orphan here or an.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Orphan there and someone, said you can't save them, all.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
And she, said, yes BUT i can save one AND
i can save another, one.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
So we can't avert our eyes.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Anymore WHAT i think is interesting WAS i shared this
story earlier With rich AND i want to share his
response BECAUSE i think it's very. Telling so AS i
shared the start of the show AND i were In,
WASHINGTON D. C last week for an entire. Week we
were part of a news conference press conference in front of.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
The Supreme court steps with The secretary.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Of Education lenna McMahon and, others and we were celebrating
The pierce decision that really reinforced school choice and parental.
Rights we had meetings at The White, house actually a
couple of. Them we had meetings with some of our. Congressmen,
tomorrow As i'm sitting in For Mandy Confresman Jeff crank
is going to join me and we're going to talk
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about some of the things that we.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Discussed but we made our last.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Visit and by the, WAY i always go to The
Lincoln memorial BECAUSE i love reading his words on his
second and nogural, address And i'll get to that, later
but we made our last stop this trip very purposely
going to The Holocaust museum literally on our way to the.
Airport and it was important because the cry of the
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world after the horrors of The holocaust was never, Again never.
Again so as we were, leaving and there are many
lessons and things to talk about from that. Trip but
as we were, leaving and literally our lift is waiting
for us to get to the, Airport i'm pulling my
suitcase out and we're leaving the museum and outside were
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a bunch of protesters and they were holding up signs
photos Of palestinian children Or palestinians that had been killed
in The Gauzea war since The october seventh. Attacks NOW
i understand the. Heart there is a lot of suffering
in this. World but WHEN i came out AND i saw,
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THAT i was shaking my.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Head kind of in.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Disbelief and one of the protesters came out to me and,
said why are you shaking your head in? Disbelief AND
i pointed the building behind. ME i, said because that
is A. Holocaust you're misrepresenting what is here and there
is no moral. Equivalence and then they, said, Well israel
has killed more people than in The.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Holocaust now the.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Lack of information and sheer ignorance in our country is.
Stunning six Million jews were killed during The, holocaust and
WHEN i looked at one of the photos of a
child that tragically had been killed In Gaza, STRIP i,
said you do know It's hamas who's responsible for the
death of that. Child hamas uses, children uses civilians as human.
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Shields and they didn't really have anything to say because
it wasn't fact. Based it was all reaction. Based but
as we're, LEAVING i was sitting there, thinking how can
people be so off in their assessment of, things their
understanding of.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Things and on top of all of.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
It some of these people Were, Jewish and you, Know rich,
said you, know there's no limitation to where misinformation finds its.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Place to rest with any people.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Group BUT i love What rich said when we were
talking about this earlier on the, phone that that phrase tekun,
olam he'll repair the world.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Where we all are, called where.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
We see injustice to take a stand and do something about.
It and there is a lot of suffering in many.
Areas there's suffering in inner, Cities they're suffering amongst those
In mexico that want a better. Life there is suffering
In Gaza. Strip but this is the real, question and
it's the one THAT i hope.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
We all pause for a moment before we.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
React we see something that is, tragic we see an,
injustice but then let's ask this, question what is the
cause of that? Suffering not just it's, There i'm going to.
React i'm going to go with the public.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Narrative what's the actual.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Cause the cause of, suffering for, instance in The Gaza
strip Is, hamas the first people group that they imprisoned
and began to abuse where The palestinians live.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
There so let's look at solving that.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
Problem what's going on right now in the, riots for,
instance you, know the reality is who's causing That those
who are speaking and foonemning and who are lifting up
those breaking the law and nobilizing, them if that is
even a, word making them into, heroes while vilifying the
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people who are who are.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Called to protect.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Us they're literally Calling ice or federal law enforcement brown,
shirts while praising those who are holding a flag from
a different nation in our cities as that they're destroying
the property and the livelihood of many in the inner.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Cities this has got to. Stop over and over.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
AGAIN i actually appreciate and understand those who are out
there getting involved and protesting.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Or making their voices.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Heard and by the, way protesting is, fine rioting is.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Not that is.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Different and when you look at the best and greatest
movements in our time that reached lasting, change they.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Were peaceful and they were all the more impactful because of.
THAT i think about.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Without the leadership Of Martin Luther King, junior what it
would have happened in the civil Rights it was horrific
what was happening to the black.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Community but instead of.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Throwing, bombs they walked, peacefully, nobly with. Dignity and therefore
the real oppression that was going, on the dogs that
were released on the, beating these beatings that they received were.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
All the more apparent in.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Contrast, Okay i'm gonna pause there.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Because we're heading into.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
A, break and when we come, BACK i want to
open up the line and ask you this. Question five
sixty six nine. Zero you can text in five sixty
six nine. Zero do you ever think it's okay to
be violent for.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
The cause you believe? In And i'm not talking about the.
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Military that was a false equivalency narrative by a listener.
Earlier do you believe it is okay to be violent
when you were standing up for something you believe? In
do you believe that that's okay in The United states
Of america or is there a better way to make a?
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Change before we, GO i want to answer one question
from a.
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
CALLER a Quick google search finds that it is legal
to conceal carrying boulder with a. Permit can you please
clarify doesn'tthing that Rich sokel had. SHARED i do know
the laws are much stricter up, there and CERTAINLY i
do know. This that individual who was drowing the molotov
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cocktails was standing there had ample, time although the police
got there, quickly but three minutes is a long time
to throw the remaining of their molotov. Cocktails they had
a homemade.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Flamethrower on their.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Back imagine how much more damage could have happened and
how quickly it could have stopped if there was a
law abiding citizen there who had their weapon with them
during the. Break i'll research At thank you for asking that,
Question okay five six six nine. Zero do you think
it's ever okay to be violent when you are protesting an?
(01:01:20):
Injustice that you. SEE i think it's an interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Question please text in five sixty six nine.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Zero heading to a, Break I'm Debah flora sitting in
For Mandy, connell getting in for A Mandy, connell thank
you so much for being a part of the. Conversation
lots of great texts coming in at five six six nine.
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Zero we're getting down to the deep questions here on
the show.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Today because there's a lot of big things happening in
our country and in our, state questions like what is
the proper rule of? Government and some great responses.
Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
There and by the, WAY i agree with the folks
who are.
Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Saying AND i put it this, Way america is that
once in all of human history idea that every person
has created with intrinsic value on government has only one
job to protect the rights and the safety of its.
Citizens and so that getting some great responses on. That
my second question before we went to the break is
this when we're talking about the normalization of, violence people
(01:02:25):
saying that yes it is okay to be out there
burning things and breaking things and Throwing molotov cocktails in
the riots in La my question before the break was
is it okay And i'm not talking about the military
and not talking about. Police is it okay to protest
something with? Violence is that okay in our? Society AND
(01:02:48):
i think the overwhelming answer That i'm hearing from people
is WHAT i agree. With, no it's not. Okay the
most effective protests on issues have been ones that are. Peaceful,
now some interesting comments THAT i wanted to. Mention one person, said,
no there are better options than destruction and harm to.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
ANYONE i do not think violence.
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
WORKS i would only retaliate IF i or my loved
ones we're being threatened with. Violence self defense is a
completely different. THING i have a good friend who one time,
said you, know some people say being a mother makes
you more, Peaceful but ever Since i've become a, Mother
i'm Realized i'm capable of, violence and that means.
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
You attack our. Children, YES.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I am one percent believe that every individual has a
right to protect. Themselves that's Why i'm A Second amendment.
Advocate being a five 'ot three woman who used to
have a, STALKER i believe in the right to protect,
myself or protect your, family or protect your. Property one hundred.
Percent that's what it says in The Second. Amendment one
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person keeps wanting to come back to without, violence we
would never have won The Civil. War we are talking
about military reaction.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
There and by the, way my father was in The Air.
Force he served In.
Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Vietnam i'll never forget behind his. Desk was an amazing
quote By John Stuart, mill who is to The, effects
said war is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
A terrible and ugly.
Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Thing but the only thing more terrible is anyone who
does not believe there is something worth fighting. For is
it okay for a military to fight for what's?
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Absolutely having been to The Holocaust, museum thank, goodness even
that was.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Delayed america got into the fight.
Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
To stop atrocities or to stand and fight for our.
FREEDOMS a very interesting, comment and thank you for sending.
This someone textan, said not disagreeing with, you but as
A Native, AMERICAN i can tell you this country was
founded on. Violence now founded on. VIOLENCE i just want
to break this down a little. Bit if you're talking
about The Revolutionary, war, well, yes that was a war
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for liberty against atrocities that were being perpetrated by a.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Monarch if you're.
Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Talking about the way That Native americans, retreated we have
some terrible things in our. History but here's a false,
narrative And i'm just going to say. It the false
narrative is that somehow the violence on this, continent in
what we call the land mess in The United states Of,
america started When america became a. Country america's history is
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full Of Native american tribes that were very, peaceful others
that were not enslaving one, another constant fights between. It
this is as old as mankind itself when we're looking
at it in that, way all the way back to
Canaan abel In. Genesis it is as old as mankind's nature.
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Themselves What i'm talking about is the founding of this
country on the idea that everyone is created, equal and
yes we are not perfect from the, beginning but we
are forming a more perfect. Union, well these are all great,
comments very, interesting AND.
Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I really do appreciate.
Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
IT i just want to go back to SAYING i
think my new favorite phrase That i've learned is is tekun,
olam which is The jewish phrase that is the mandate
from The creator to repair the world and others where
we see a real, injustice to stand against, that not
by creating another asice, injustice by harming someone.
Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Or rioting or, vandalizing but to.
Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Stand but as we do, that look at what is
the actual root of that. Injustice it's not just the
thing that is a common talking point out there or
the knee jerk political. Reaction what is the actual. Route
let's take a moment to step back and look at
that and stand in that. Area, well you're heading to a.
Break when we come, back we're going to be joined
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By Jennifer. Say she is a RETIRED Us champion gymnast.
Author she's also documentarian and founder of xx X y clothing,
company and we're going to talk about her new lawsuit
against one of the laws that came out of the
legislature this. Session don't go, Anywhere we'll be right. Back
(01:07:07):
I'm Deborah, flora sitting in For Mandy. Connell third.
Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Hour it's going so.
Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Quickly, WELL i want to just jump right into this,
because as many, know there were several i'll just say
extreme bills that came out of the legislature this. Year
one of them that got a ton of attention was thirteen,
twelve and in, fact we had a town hall about
that the head over one hundred thousand. Views that was
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a bill that changes The Colorado Anti Discrimination, acts calling
misgendering dead naming things like that. Discrimination the portion that
would have taken custody away from parents of a child
if they did not agree with the transitioning was taken
out for, now but it's still fundamentally infringes on freedom of.
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Speech and my next guest is at the forefront of
a lawsuit challenges challenging. This she was also at that town,
hall and that Is Jennifer. Say she's an, author business,
executive retired national champion gymnast and the founder and executive
Of Xxxy Clothing, company of WHICH i have many pieces of,
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apparel along With Susanne, beecher who is With Alliance Depending. Freedom,
ladies thank you so much for joining.
Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
ME i appreciate.
Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
It thank you for having.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Havings you got it, Well. Jennifer you And i've talked about.
This tell us a little.
Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Bit about the reason for your company to start, with
and then how that intersects with thirteen twelve and this
change to The Colora Anti Discrimination.
Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
Act, well we started the brand about a year, ago
just a little a year and two months, ago and
we're really the only athletic THAT i think is truly
empowering female athletes and fighting to protect women's. Sports this
is obviously an issue.
Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
In the public eye right.
Speaker 6 (01:09:08):
Now we talk a lot about it as a. Brand
we talk about all the instances of boys and men
winning in women's, sports AND i feel very strongly that
we use accurate language in doing. So you, know we don't.
Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Use quote unquote preferred.
Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
Pronouns we say he when it's a male winning girls
track and field. Medals we call Ab, hernandez A california
track athlete who won two goals in their state championship
league call him. He and this is in you, know
this is indirect violation of the, bill which would consider
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that to be a discriminatory. LANGUAGE i feel that it's truthful,
language and it's really Important otherwise the issue gets the.
Rate IF i can't call Ab hernandez he AND i
refer to him as a, she then there's no issue
with him competing in women's. Sports so, YEAH i, MEAN
i just that's been a problem all, along is these
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entitious ideas have been have infiltrated our, language and that
is why we are where we. Are and So i'm
just sort of very firmly on the side of using,
truthful accurate, language and the still wise in the face of,
That and SO i felt like it was very important
for us to push.
Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
Back for free speech For colorado's and for All.
Speaker 6 (01:10:26):
Americans, well and you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Pointed out how crazy this gets.
Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
To be when you cannot actually speak.
Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Freely which is what this thirteen twelve still has a
remainder in, it which is a violining free.
Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Speech to your, point if we're talking.
Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
About you, know.
Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Boys in girls sports.
Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
And In, colorado that would now be called. Discrimination we
would have to Say i'm against girls in girls.
Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Sports it's so.
Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
STUPID i, mean you, know we were.
Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
Permanently banned From TikTok Last june for something similar an.
Ad in an ad that we launched.
Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
With Last, march we, say if you think.
Speaker 6 (01:11:04):
It isn't fair or safe for boys to compete in girls,
sports And TikTok decided that that was hate speech and
that it was, discriminatory and we've been permanently banned from.
ADVERTISING i asked our account manager when we were going
back and forth on, IT i, said.
Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
What would you have me say if you think it
didn't fair.
Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
Or safe for girls to compete in girl? Sports no
one disagrees.
Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
With, that that's.
Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
Ludicrous it erases the issue.
Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
Entirely we can't do it the firm on the, language so.
Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
We can actually have the necessary conversation that needs.
Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
To be had to protect girl sports, well and particularly
Because title nine in the very first place was to
create an even playing field for girls to be able to,
compete not against boys in their own. Field so it
is pretty inane anyone that's. Listening this is not hate.
SPEECH i love what you know it. Said biology is not.
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Bigotry it's not hate speech to say we stay and against,
boys you, know playing in girls' sports and not being
forced to say we're against girls in girls'.
Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Sports that's nonsensical to say the.
Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Least Susanne Alliance Defending freedom has taken stands once time
and time. Again it seems LIKE i know at least
two cases obviously against The Colorado Civil Rights, commission and
now this is a change to The Colorado Anti Discrimination
act basically mandating force speech whether or not you believe in.
Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
It how is this?
Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Different discrimination previously was always considered to be.
Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
An, action not.
Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Speech can you can you address that that?
Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Point, yeah so this is like you're, saying this is
an anti discrimination.
Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
Amendment that's really a censorship of.
Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Speech so they're they're couching it as an anti discrimination,
law but really what's happening here is censorship of speech
and compelled. Speech so like for, saying the mission of
their company.
Speaker 7 (01:13:02):
Is to speak the truth and.
Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
To advocate for women's, force and to be able to do,
that they need to be able to use biologically accurate.
Speaker 7 (01:13:09):
Language But colorado is trying to FORCE xxxy and businesses
like them to instead Speak colorado's message rather than the
message that is consistent with their. Mission you know that
sex is, binary, biological and, immutable.
Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
And this is a.
Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
Clear First amendment, violation and it's silencing one side of
the debate on the gender, issue which is at the
heart of. Society and so that's really harmful discipil society
When colorado is passing.
Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Laws like this that are silencing issues that.
Speaker 7 (01:13:42):
Are important to public.
Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Discourse, yeah AND i think what's interesting is it's one
of those laws THAT i don't see a reason for.
It there's already protection for adults to live their lives
the way that they want, for you, know and once,
again what you're standing, For, jennifer does not stop an
adult human being from you, know identifying however they want, to,
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dressing however they want to, live in their lives however
they want. To we're talking about free speech, here and
WHAT i think is interesting is obviously this had such
huge national attention because of the custody, element but this
is just as. Egregious what would happen to your business
if this is allowed to? Stand or you per, se.
Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
Well we're in violations the. Bill every single, day every.
Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
Ad we put, out we use accurate biological descriptors and.
Pronouns WHEN i do appearances like this one or you,
know other national, APPEARANCES i always use, correct accurate language
to describe the. Issue you, KNOW i don't know then
what will happen to? ME i, mean it would make,
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Us it would sort of obliterate.
Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
The mission of our.
Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
Business it would make, us you, know unable to speak
the truth and be out here defending women's, sports which
from a business, perspective is what also makes us unique
and is why people are leaning in to support this.
Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
Brand you, know whenever we do customer, surveys that's what
they tell.
Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
Us you're taking a stand to protect women's. Sports you're
taking a stand for women and girls you're taking a stand.
Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
For, truth and so it really it makes it nearly.
Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
Impossible, yeah do business at least in our current.
Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
State.
Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yeah, Absolutely AND i love that you have said that
you're going to stand and fight For.
Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
COLORADE i am. Too it's my.
Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
HOME i believe that we can turn these things. Around
AND i find it interesting because the majority Of, americans
whether They're republican Or, democrat left or, right agree that
girls' sports.
Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Should only be for.
Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Girls i'm going to use a slanguage now that boys
should not be allowed to compete against.
Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Girls we've seen what.
Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Happens we've seen, dreams hard, work, titles, motivation even safety
at times take away from these young women who have
given so much time for these. Sports where we have
a short period here before we, Go, suzanne what is
the status of the case of your.
Speaker 7 (01:16:11):
Lawsuit we recently filed the complaint in the lawsuit and
we are planning to request preliminary, relief which would block
the enforcement of the law against AGAINST xxxy while the
court is deciding the, Issue so while the lawsuit is.
Pending but you never don't really know when the timeline for,
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lawsuits so we hope that a decision on that will be, happening,
well happen.
Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Absolutely, well when we come, Back i'm going to read
some of the comments and talk about. That But, jennifer
you've never been one who has been afraid to stand,
up AND i appreciate your continue to do. This AND
i want to let you KNOW i did wear my
xx xy baseball cap all OVER dc last week WHEN
i wasn't in a. Suit so thanks for the Stand
thanks for taking this fight not just for.
Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
People who agree with, you but for. Everyone that's the
point is for.
Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
Everyone, yep it's for.
Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
Everyone, Yeah, america we still have free.
Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
Speech we're supposed.
Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
To.
Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, absolutely thank you ladies for joining.
Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
US i really appreciate, it thank, you thank you so. Much,
absolutely when we come, Back i'm going to read some
of these. Comments five six six nine. Zero want to
hear from, you and when we come, back we'll talk
about that and a lot of other. Things as we
wind up this first, hour this last, Hour, Tepper flora's
sitting in For Mandy connell For flora sitting in For Mandy.
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Connell lots of texts to read. Here really have a
short segment five six six nine, zero so we'll continue
them when we do come.
Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Back BUT i want TO i want to read a
couple of. These this has to do with the fact
that we just Had Jennifer say on the. Program Jennifer say.
Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Is someone who has stood up for many things against
the closures of a school DURING covid that we're causing
a lot of harm for children, emotionally.
Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
To say the, least for the right to talk about.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
It, honestly that's what's really at stake, here is the
ability to discuss.
Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Things she was A levi, executive retired.
Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
National champion, gymnast and she's the founder of clothing company
called Xx. Xy we were talking to her about the
lawsuit that has now been filed and onto her, behalf
and she is filed against.
Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
A portion of the law thirteen twelve that passed out
of The Colorio state.
Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Legislature, now let's be clear about what this is about
and what it isn't.
Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
ABOUT i believe in.
Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
The United states Of, AMERICA i am almost libertarian in some,
ways because Constitutionally i'm.
Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Not in some of the. Ways it goes to an.
Extreme but in The United.
Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
States Of, america every individual is free to pursue their
own idea of. Happysiness that, means particularly if you're an,
adult you can live how you, want you can identify
how you.
Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Want you can have surgeries that you, want et. Cetera
now we can talk about who has to pay for.
That that's a whole other.
Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Topic what we are talking about here is what is truly.
Discrimination up until this moment In colorado with this, law
discrimination has always historically been treatment of an individual in
action and behavior differently because of some characteristic their, sex their,
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faith their, race et. Cetera the treatment of an individual,
differently whether that is, harassment or that is firing, them
whether that's not allowing them to have the same opportunities,
Segregation that is. Discrimination we're talking here now about freedom of,
speech and some people are talking about What jennifer say is.
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Saying if she is not allowed to say she is
against boys competing in girls', sports then a very right
to speak accurate genetic chromosonal truth has been violated or
will be.
Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Violated and one.
Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Person, said you, know, basically this is not about boys
playing in girls'. Sports this is a completely different. Issue
it's not a different. Issue and, actually whether you call
that individual a trans woman or a boy or a.
Male the reality is when it comes to, sports not
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other areas of. Life sports is a unique instance where
titleline was created to have an even playing field for
women who are, chromosonally, structurally, muscle bone. Wise different studies
have come out that whether or not someone transitions later
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in life or earlier in, life there is.
Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
An innate change depend on whether it's X x or X.
Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Y with those who have the male, chromosomes no matter
how they may or may not, transition even if they're
having hormone, treatments their biological, mass their bone structure is,
stronger their muscle mass is, density their fast twitched fiber
muscles are, quicker and even as young as under ten years,
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old there is a shown difference an advantage in almost
all sports by those who have the chromosomes that identifies.
MALE i, mean even the Way i'm having to say
this is getting so.
Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Convoluted it's what.
Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Used to be considered to be a basic biological lesson
in reproductive. Biology but we have now hamstrung ourselves so
much that just by stating that, fact some people consider
that to be. Harassment it's just stating a fact to
be honest in order to be able to protect. Girls
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that was the intent of title mind from the very. Beginning,
disagreement by the, way is not. Hate and the minute
that we believe that just disagreeing with one another on
something is something that should be prevented by the, government
we have waystepped out of the bounds of what free
speech was meant to be in the very, beginning would
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you agree or?
Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Disagree and by the.
Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
WAY i think it's about seventy five percent Of americans
do agree that that girls wors should only be those
who have the chromosome makeup of girls because that affects
their athletic.
Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Ability that's not left or.
Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Right, right it is Simply it's simply something that we
can all stand together.
Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
ON i would.
Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Hope and, then however anyone wants to live their, LIFE
i stand for their right to live with dignity and,
respect but not at the cost of the ability to
protect girls' sports as well and their safe.
Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
SPACES i have to add to a.
Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Heartbreak i'm going to read more of this WHEN i come.
Back it's interesting how this is open a can of.
Worms please feel free to text in five six six.
Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Nine Zero Deborah flora sitting in For Mandy.
Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Connell welcome back to The Mandy Connell. Show Deborah flora
sitting in For Mandy connell and join the lively. CONVERSATION
i am a huge free speech, advocate which means we
don't have to agree with one. ANOTHER i just appreciate
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the conversation. Itself i'm going to read some of these
comments if you are just tuning. In we Had jennifer
say she's the founder of XXX y Sports gear actually
not supports, gear but, clothing, gear, hats t, shirts all
kinds of things like that FORMER us champion, gymnast and
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she is standing up for the right to run her business,
basically which requires her ability to be able to talk
about what it is meaning xx versus X. Y and
we were talking about how free speech is just that
free speech is only free if it's free for those
we disagree. With and in, addition the change of The
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Colorado Anti Discrimination act is problematic because historically discrimination was
only acts behavior firing someone because of their, race their,
sex their religious viewpoint of you, know someone being. Demoted
the recent case in The Supreme court that had unanimous
(01:24:31):
decision that a straight white woman was discriminated against because
there were two people that were, gay that were promoted
ahead of. Her it doesn't matter which direction it. Goes
there are certain anti discriminator notory acts that are considered
to be.
Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Discrimination not. Wording this is.
Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
New it's, actually in many ways even more radical than
what we've seen In california or other. Places so talking
about that is kind of unleashed to some great comments coming.
In and here is the way THAT i am presenting.
This in The United states Of, AMERICA i one hundred
percent stand for the dignity and the freedom of every
single individual to live their lives freely pursuing their own
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individual idea of. Happiness that is what it means In.
America it's a complex society because of, that meaning someone
who is transgender is free to live their lives that
way and be treated with dignity one hundred. Percent let
me put it this way, though, However i'm A christian
AND i hear people SAY gd and Use christ's name
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as a swear word left and right all the. Time
OCCASIONALLY i will ask, them, please you, know can you change,
that because that, actually you, know means something to.
Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Me they don't have to they.
Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Can it is not for me, though to tell the
government they have to express things that reflect my dearly
held identity and. Beliefs that's just one example come into.
Many BUT i want to talk about some of these
comments that are coming, in and thank you everyone who
is texting. In whether we agree or, NOT i appreciate
it because this is What i'm advocating.
Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
For let's be able to talk about these.
Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Things let's not have the government come in and say
what we're allowed to say.
Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
And what we're not allowed to.
Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Say so one person, says sports is a foundational element
of the human. Experience barring trans people from planning sports
is discriminatory and the same exact way that barring black
people from joining sports organizations was.
Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Discriminatory completely.
Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Different by the, way no one is talking about banning
transgender athletes from. Competing we are talking about which competition
group they compete.
Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
In when there is.
Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Extensive studies biological information that, proves depending on your, chromosomes
from the moment that you are in you to, row
you're downst with either testosterone in a large amount or,
not showing that someone with the the chromosomes that identify
with the male biological sex have more bone, density have
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more muscle, density more fast twitched.
Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Muscles they are.
Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Stronger it's even shown as young as under ten years.
Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Old that's just a.
Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Fact so in a complex, society how do we balance this?
Out one caller or one, listener excuse, me how a great,
recommendation they, SAID i still don't know why we haven't
heard a call for reorganizing youth sports. Leagues rather than
having boys and, girls it could be very simple to
HAVE xx AND X y, sports AND i would say
also having an entire separate. Category people want, that but
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there is a certain reality where now women are being discriminated.
Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Against let me give you an.
Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Example and if you're, four if you don't agree with
me on this issue of women protecting women's, SPORTS i want.
Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
To ask you how you feel about.
Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
This Paula, scanlon teammate Of Leah thomas during The universe
Of Pennsylvania Swim team league that time that got all
of the notoriety When Lea thomas tied With Riley, gaines
did not actually Beat riley and but tied With Riley
gaines and was given the trophy because they said it
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was important to Have Lea thomas get the trophy instead
as a trans.
Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Athlete, well what was overlooked in that entire.
Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Situation also Was Paula scanlon Teammate Leah, thomas, who while
she had been sexually abused when she was, younger was
now forced to change in the same locker room with
Someone Leah, thomas who was had all the male body.
Parts let me just put that, there had all the
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male body parts and changing into a women's swimsuit for,
swimming she, said was not a quick. Affair we're talking about, fifteen,
twenty twenty, five thirty minutes sometimes to get into. That
she was traumatized by. That where is the me too
movement standing up for. Her she is someone who had
experienced sexual abuse and yet would be forced to be
(01:29:09):
put in this. Situation this is happening with girls on
sports teams as young as fourteen years.
Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Old people are standing up against.
Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
That that is an area WHERE i think we have
a complex society and we have a situation where we
should be able to come together and decide how we do. This,
now there are transgender individuals in my own. LIFE i
call them by their requested. NAMES i do, That but
it is a different situation when a government is saying
(01:29:37):
you are forced to not even be able to talk
about inaccurate, terminology about protecting girl.
Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Sports that's what that lawsuit is.
Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
About SO i respect your freedom of, SPEEDION i appreciate
your respecting mine as. Well and somebody just said talking
about chromosomes is.
Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
HATEFUL i don't think. SO I i think that the
minute we get away from being.
Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Able to talk about actual science that is not saying
someone can not live how they choose to, live is
saying there is actual. Science when that becomes something that's called,
discriminatory we are truly losing our weight to have factual.
Conversations so that's what we, are standing up for one
another's right to speak, freely one another's rights to. Disagree
(01:30:25):
and just as let me put this, way, woman in the,
Workplace i've had guys call me, sweetie, honey, babe, darling
all of. THAT i have every, ability as a grown
individual to SAY i would prefer you do.
Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Not call me.
Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
That sometimes they listen to, me sometimes they. DIDN'T i
never called the government on. THEM i just simply SAID
i would prefer that you. Don't was that person, Wrong,
yeah but it is something that we have to find
a way to work. Together not probably the best, analogy
but there you have. It we're winding up now towards
the end of the, show AND i want.
Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
To switch a little bit to some good. News you,
know we've talked about a lot of topics.
Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Today we've talked about the Anti semitism over nine hundred percent,
increase nearly nine hundred percent increase in anti, semitism AND
i want to come back to some of these things
BECAUSE i do.
Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Think the most powerful part of today's, show if.
Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
You did not see it or listen to, it excuse,
me was when we had at the two o'clock, Hour
Rich socle joining, me someone who is a Devout jewish,
individual and talking about what is missed in all of.
Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
This there's a lot of injustice in the.
Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
World there is a lot of suffering in the, world
AND i encourage every single person to stand.
Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Up for it wherever you see that do and we
can do. It but we can do it without.
Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Violence we can do it Without now that is not
the Same people are using analogies of when you, know
The nazis took, over shouldn't civilians there have stood up
and taken?
Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Arms, yeah that's.
Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Different we're talking about a genocide, there and we're talking
about a, government which should have been had a revolution against.
Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
It that's what The American revolution was. About completely.
Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Different but when we're talking about, that he used a
phrase that was tikun, olam which is repair the. World
and what he was saying is just they're suffering everywhere
and we see. It BUT i think it's time for
us as a people group to stop for a moment and,
(01:32:24):
say what is the actual cause of?
Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
It not what is the quick.
Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Knee jerk reaction that we can have to what is
the actual cause and how do we actually address. THAT
i found an interesting story That Greta thunberg had a.
Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Ship she was on a ship that was.
Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Heading To gaza strip and the Israel Le's foreign ministry
called it the selfie yacht of celebrities BECAUSE i guess
they did not come with any actual goods for humanitarian,
aid but instead came just to take photos and to
basically showed themselves being. There, meanwhile what was happening that
(01:33:03):
wasn't being, Seen the good that was occurring that isn't being.
Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Seen, meanwhile while that was, happening.
Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
More than twelve HUNDRED aid trucks have Entered gaza From
israel within the past two weeks and The Gaza Humanitarian
foundation has distributed close to eleven million meals directly To
ziphilians In. Gaza there's a lot of good that we
actually can be.
Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Doing you.
Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Know it's interesting because WHEN i think about the couple
IN dc that were from The israeli, embassy one of
them was actually A, christian ONE i believe Was. Jewish
they were engaged to be. Married their lives were taken
by an individual who said he was doing it to Free,
(01:33:46):
palestine which, yes was a statement Against, israel and in
college campuses has now been you, know obviously married with
a whole lot of Anti semitic. Sentiment what were they
doing at this event at The Jewish museum IN.
Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Dc That's kinton.
Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Overlooked they were actually leaving an event focused for young
diplomats from many different countries from. That they Were, Muslim,
Christian jewish groups. Living they were coming together to bring
humanitarian aid Into. Gaza that's what they were. Doing that's
the event they were. LEAVING i also think it's time
(01:34:23):
for us to begin to see the good and where
we can make a difference for those who are looking
for an issue to stand and fight. FOR i hope
that you join a Run run For Their, lives which
is the organization that was attacked up In boulder by molotov.
Cocktails and it is not left or rightse not democratic,
(01:34:43):
republican it is not even in a political. Situation it
is standing for the remaining fifty five hostages who've been
held for six hundred and thirteen. DAYS i think that's
a place that we can all stand, together and what
we can do is begin to speak again this violent
rhetoric that is saying it is.
Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Okay it is okay.
Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
To become more and more. VIOLENT i have was a.
SITUATION i was down in the summer of twenty twenty
down The Civic Center park for the sixth Annual support
The police. Rally it has also been a long standing
tradition back in the summer of twenty, twenty and it's
(01:35:26):
always been like a family. Tradition, well we were there
in the moment that we got through with the national.
Anthem we were overrun by hundreds Of antifa to the
point where people are getting hit over the. Head someone
was bleeding behind, us and all we were there was
to stand for supporting the. Police is every police officer,
(01:35:47):
perfect absolutely not in any, group there are individuals that
are not being their.
Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Best, selves to say the.
Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Least but this whole cell categorizing and vilifying of individuals
is what we have to stand.
Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Against i've seen it.
Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
Firsthand there were some wrongs that maybe people originally wanted
to stand up, against but that wholesale attack on police
officers and those who are supporting them was not the
way to do.
Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
It there are things we can stand, for we can.
Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Stand, together we can support one, another we can stand
against the dehumanization of any people. Group and, yes talking
about protecting girls' sports and girls safe, spaces it's not
speaking out against a people. Group it's simply saying that's
a place where we can agree that there is a
significant discrimination happening to.
Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Those who have the female.
Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Chromosomes that's happening right. Now BUT i will stand for
anyone's life right to live. Free we can do that.
Together that's my, hope that's our. CALL i want to
end with some good news BECAUSE i want to talk
about how there are some people doing amazing, things standing
up individuals and.
Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Just giving.
Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
HOPE i THINK i would SAY i want to share
one story before we. GO a young woman Named Maya,
mehrhege seventeen years, old pancreatic cancer. Survivor she is about
to be the youngest person ever to Achieve All ocean sevens.
Challenge NOW i know very little about this because it's
(01:37:25):
SOMETHING i would never ever do because it involves the
potential of. Sharks let's just stop, there saw jaws at
a formative, age would never feture to do. That she
stills a few to. Go but recently she swam The
New zealand cook. Straight she's did a twenty seven mile
swim through. Jellyfish she got. Stung she kept going cold.
(01:37:47):
Water really the average water temperature was very. Low but
WHAT i loved about seventeen years old and she did
it to raise over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
for cancer. RESEARCH i think that's a miracu particularly in
a day and age where we're telling young people that
they're not, resilient that they're not, okay where we have
the whole era of safe spaces With plato and all of,
(01:38:10):
that where you, know on college, campuses calls to the
police department and counselors if there is you, know a
rat in a room have been escalating time that we
begin to encourage young people and everyone around. Us we're
a lot more resilient and strong than. That you, Know
i'm a mom of two gen Z, ers And i'm
(01:38:31):
really proud of that. GENERATION i love our kids and
proud of them and all that they have. Accomplished but
really this generation is beginning to reject a lot of
what has been handed to, them basically that they're not,
resilient that they can overcome. It this is the generation
that have lost a couple of years TO covid when
they were in.
Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Schools they're pushing back against.
Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
That there's, also by the, way you hear about all
of the protests on these college campuses that are Anti,
semitic Where jewish students have been trapped in libraries and
other places who felt like they had to remove anything
that might show that they are Actually. Jewish well among
that group right, now something else is happening on college
(01:39:15):
campuses THAT i find, encouraging whether you were A christian or.
Not people finding, faith finding something higher to live, for
finding an answer.
Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
To the depression that is causing so many issues at.
Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Age there are huge revivals that are happening in college
campuses all Over, america and many of them are being
led by. ATHLETES i in particular to one because my
husband's a Buck. Eye but on The Ohio State buckeye,
campus there was a revival that started by some of the,
athletes and hundreds of people came to a position of,
(01:39:53):
faith giving them. Hope happening all over in other college
campuses as. Well universe Of arkansas And texas and am
nearly ten thousand, Students Florida State, university Mand Mandy's Party
school nearly five thousand. STUDENTS i think something that signings.
Happening my number one hope is that brings us to
a point where we can treat one another with, respect
(01:40:16):
where we can stand for those who are truly being discriminated,
against we can stand against the dehumanizing of, others we
can stand for protecting those who are, vulnerable AND i
believe we can do it. Together maybe we can't complete
the job of repairing the, world BECAUSE i think Only
god can ultimately do, that but we can each do our.
Part And i'm grateful to have this conversation with.
Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
You thank you so. Much I'm Deborah, flora sitting in
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