06-11-25 FULL SHOW - Jimmy Sengenberger Fills In, Debates Donald Trump's National Guard Response

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For Mandy Connell and it is great to be with
you again with a whirlwind show a Rod.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
How you doing, brother good Man?

Speaker 3 (00:08):
I got it?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Are you oh busier than a be?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
The last couple of days I went to the Mike
Lindell trial, which I'll talk about.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Watch his testimony on and on.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
He goes, he's I think he was born a rambling man,
said promo Cojuri.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yet no, no, I have not.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
But that is one of many, many, many, many, in fact,
tens of thousands of promo codes that we learned Mike
Lindale likes to use, and we learned why he uses.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
The promo codes. And they're not just for the discounts.
It's kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It is all about casting in the money though. That
is for darn Shore and Aeron. I have to tell
you when you meet somebody or talk to somebody who
sort of you know, they go on and on and
they're all rambling, and you know, sometimes it's sort of
hard to follow, but you can get the nuggets.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Of where they're going. What's your impression of somebody?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Typically if you're just sort of stereotyping that kind of
a person.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
When they go on talking about so well, follow up question,
are you talking about mister Mike Lindell. Well, because we
met him at.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
The RNC, then you that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Very special individual, very special indeed, and.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
He's made no bones about the fact that the things
he says come with a bit of a.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Bit of w Can you imagine listening for hours and
hours and hours to him as he is questioned on
a stand as I did, as long as you're not
up close, it was fascinating because not only was he
very rambling and all over the place, but you got
a real eye into how he thinks, beyond something that

(01:48):
you can get from an interview. You know, when you've
got twenty minutes and you're watching him more in the
case when Mandy talked with him, you know, twenty minutes
with him or however long, when you're having these probing
questions where he's in the hot seat, it is at
times very frustrating, like oh my gosh, I can't believe

(02:11):
I'm sitting here, Please let this be over with. And
then other times it's absolutely riveting because you're getting or
a much more significant closer understanding of how this guy thinks,
how he approaches things, how he got in to all

(02:32):
of the stolen election stuff and how he's approaching his defense.
So for those who don't know, this defamation trial is
what it's about. It's happening in downtown Denver right now.
In fact, I'm not sure if he's finished up, but
he was set to do additional testimony which I imagine is
probably going to happen continue into this afternoon. Unfortunately obviously

(03:00):
didn't go down to the courthouse today, But what you
could get from that or going back to the trial.
Eric Komer is the one of the former vps of
Dominion Voting Systems, and he'd originally been called out in

(03:21):
November of twenty twenty on a podcast by a man
named Joe Oldman as being sort of a villain of
this whole saga of how Trump supposedly had the election
stolen out from under him putting up and these texts
were shown last week and I was there for a
couple of days when Eric Komer, the plaintiff in this

(03:43):
case suing Mike Lindell, My Pillow and Frank speech when
he testified, and last week we spoke with Matt Crane,
who also testified. The executive director of the Colorado County
Clerks Association, and so some of the his social media
posts were shared last week during testimony that Oltman had

(04:07):
put out on his podcast, showing all kinds of far
left statements from Komer blasting Trump, using efforts, so on
and so forth from his private Facebook page. Most of
what we saw was private on Facebook. There were a

(04:27):
couple of Twitter tweets that had been shared as well.
And the whole idea back then was let's put a
villain here. Look at this guy. He's radical left and
he's a VP at Dominion. No wonder the machines are
rigged and flipping votes and all the other conspiratorial stuff
they would claim, because this guy is a villain. That's

(04:50):
the thing about a myth. You need to have a
bad guy. And so that podcast shaped up Eric Kumer
to be a bad guy. Several months later Komer. A
video of Komer showed up in a documentary that Mike
Lindell had produced, and then eventually it led to a

(05:12):
lawsuit where you might remember Mike Lindell was served on
the steps of the Capitol when he had done a rally.
I think the rally had something to do with supporting
Tina Peters, who at the time was running for Secretary
of State.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
But nevertheless, he gets.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Served just before he goes up to speak and he
blasts Komer, and among some of the claims is Kumer
is a trader, He's committed treason, he is a criminal,
things that he said at various points from that stage
moment and in the months and years following that time.
And so Eric Kuomer is alleging that Lindell used his

(05:57):
own words and his platforms people on Frank's speech or
when he would go out and promote my pillow and
tandem with election conspiracies and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
All of that is defamation.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
And especially when you put in that's the allegation from Coomer,
particularly when you put it in the context of other
things being said by people like Joe Olpman or Tina
Peters or what have you, especially when Oltman and Peters
were both on Lindell's platforms for a long time, on

(06:40):
Frank's speech and or Lindell TV their shows would run.
So Coomer's made all this case. Well, so Mike Lindell
has had the opportunity to explain himself, why did he
call Eric Komer a trader? Why did he call him

(07:01):
criminal or his lawyer's criminals, particularly after being sued. And
he had two main reasons for this that he gave
one and I don't really understand how this is the case.
But he says, you're a blocker. What does he mean
by a blocker? While preventing him from getting out the
information proving that there are problems with voting machines, he

(07:26):
would constantly go back to his refrain we need to
get rid of the electronic voting machines that go back
to he says, back to paper ballots, hand counted. And
so the whole idea is I'm trying to get out
this information and Komer is blocking me. The one way

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in which he said Komer was blocking him is Newsmax
that when Newsmax settled with Eric Komer over similar things.
They sett back in early twenty twenty one over election
stuff and claims, and after that settlement, Lindell ended up
not being able to go on and talk about election stuff. Now,

(08:16):
I don't believe my understanding that the agreement didn't include
Mike Lindell can't talk about election stuff, But they made
that decision in fact, yesterday after Lindell wrapped a day
of testimony, they played a deposition of Christopher Ruddy.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
The.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
CEO of Newsmax for like twenty five years and the
founder I think regardless, he testified in his deposition that
there was no such deal. They had made that decision,
but it wasn't. It wasn't. They weren't components to the deal.

(08:57):
Especially that Lindell claimed, oh, I'm not allowed to talk
about my pillow on Newsmax. That was not part of
it at all either, So that sort of undercuts Coomer's
argue or excuse me, Lindell's argument.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
That Eric Komer was.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Blocking him by preventing him from going on Newsmax, because
he wasn't. He wasn't prevented from going on Newsmax. Now,
that was the blocker piece.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
So he's a criminal for blocking, for trying to get
rid of.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Any conversation about stolen election stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Then the other thing was, oh, he hurt.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
My pillow and the employees at my pillow because my
pillow is in very bad financial straits. Lindell talked about
how his wealth went from like fifty million dollars to
ten million dollars in debt, all because he poured money
into legal battles for himself and for others that he supported.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
He backed a.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Slew of people around the country that we're doing all
kinds of things, started up organizations related to stolen election,
pushing to get the narrative out there, and what have you.
It's conferences and symposiums, millions of dollars spending all these
kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
And he's blaming Eric Coomer.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
And saying, well, the other reason I called him a
criminal is because of what he did, the damage he
did to my company. I don't know how those particular
arguments are going to fly with the jury, especially when there's.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
One other component.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Remember Michael Lindell, my pillow guy, went out on TV,
went out all over the place pushing the narrative that
the election was stolen. He's put out multiple in twenty twenty,
he's put out multiple so called.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Documentaries purporting this.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
In fact, in Tina Peters trial in Mason County, remember
the stole the election security breach in May of twenty
twenty one, and how she was found guilty of four felonies,
three misdemeanors and is now spending nine years behind bars.
One of her lawyers during that trial, admitted to the

(11:19):
judge without that jury present, that this was done. What
Tina Peters did was done to gather evidence for Mike
Lindell's defamation defense, and yet none of that evidence is
showing up in this trial. He purports to have thirty

(11:40):
five cyber experts, at least thirty five cyber aspersts, not
a one of them is going to testify. Not a
single cyber expert of Lindell's is going to testify. And
the reason his attorney got him to talk about during
cross examination because because Lindell at this point was a

(12:04):
witness for the plaintiffs for Eric Komer's team. So then
Lindell's team gets to do cross examination and they basically say,
can any of these experts testify to your state of
mind that you believed what you were saying at the
time you said it. Then the answer, of course is no,
So therefore they can't be experts in this case. And

(12:26):
yet underlying it all is the stolen election narrative, the
false idea that the election was rigged and stolen from
Trump in twenty twenty. But Lindell claims, and this is
the circular logic that is rather stunning Lindell claims, on
the one hand, this case is not about election rigging,

(12:50):
because he says, I never said that Komer.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Rigged the election. He was a blocker.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
He was trying to prevent me from getting information out
about the rigged election, but he didn't rig it himself.
Even though a lot of the claims that Lindell makes
are about Dominion and the guy responsible for a lot
of the programming I believe in security systems and stuff
for Dominion's equipment was Eric Komer, So that doesn't make

(13:19):
sense in and of itself. But he says this case
is not about that. This case is about blocking preventing
me from getting information out. Well, what is that information?
The information is about the stolen election. It doesn't make sense.

(13:40):
It doesn't follow. It can't not be about the stolen
election stuff if that's what was being blocked by Coomer supposedly,
And around and around it goes. There were times during

(14:01):
his testimony where they'd have to reiterate things, or where
the judge would have to jump in and say, you
guys need to stop talking over each other, or when
there's an objection, mister Lindell, you got to stop talking
and listen to the objection. Now, there was an issue
with his hearing aid that came up at one point,

(14:23):
but that was addressed. Needless to say, if I sort
of boiled it down the last two days where I
was sitting there in the courtroom or a wild ride,
and at times they're tedious where you're going, Okay, what's

(14:47):
happening here? And I'm able to sort of follow along
with some of this, especially with the rambliness. Now, I
do have to share one other anecdote that unfortunately Mandy
is not here to appreciate, but a Rod can appreciate
it for her. In the morning on Monday, I got
there too late to get in the room, so I

(15:08):
had to go up to the overflow room for a
little while, and I was sitting there and in comes
Tay Anderson.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Into the overflow room.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Is there, Tay Andrews said, of course, the former Denver
School board member. And when we look at each other,
he goes and sits down opposite side of the room.
He gets up, he leaves at one point he comes back,
and also during that I end up sitting. Kyle Clark

(15:42):
comes in there and ends up sitting next to me,
and I don't think he would there are many rooms
that he would rather not be and than one with
the two of us because of some of the things
Kyle had did back after the East High School shooting.
In an interview with Tay and Moore and especially with yours, truly,

(16:03):
because I have done a probably more work and coverage
than anybody else on the different foibles and scandals and
everything else to do with Tay Anderson, particularly in my
Denver Gazette columns. His role though, is a crazy one
because he has a role in the miche Lindell Eric.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Komer story.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Because Joe Oltman claimed that he was on an ANTIFA
call in late September of twenty twenty and a guy
named Eric from Dominion said something to the effect of
Trump isn't gonna win. Don't worry about it. I made
fing sure of it. But that wasn't the meeting. And

(16:52):
for once I actually believed Tay Anderson because a few
years ago he put an affidavit that said, here's what
the meeting was about.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
A black woman's march.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Remember Briona Taylor, who had been killed a Black woman's
march in September of twenty twenty, and he was worried
about safety, particularly from one particular activist who'd made threats
to him. And I can tell you contemporaneously from the
time that is true. And he was very concerned about that,

(17:26):
and that's what the call was about, was what are
we going to do for security? But somehow it got
turned into this hole. He is on an ANTIFA call
and a guy named Eric from Dominion talked all about
it and said he wasn't going to let Trump win.
So Tay Anderson has an affidavit that he had put
into this case about that. I don't know if Tay
thought he was going to testify or just wanted to

(17:48):
check it out, but he came and watched like twenty
minutes of the trial in the overflow room.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Go figure.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
So I have to apologize though the KOA Common Spirit
Health chext line five six six nine zeros to number Jimmy.
It's the honorable to Anderson according to his Instagram, Yeah, honorable, Okay.
I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Mandy Connell. Just getting started

(18:18):
and ready to keep on going. Keep it right here
as we continue on KOA, He's sang in Burger in
for Mandy Connell. I don't know, I felt like a
little Zeppelin Immigrant song was appropriate as we dive in

(18:41):
to what happened last night in Denver where you had
protests and I think multiple locations in a downtown area.
And to me, when you think about these things happening,
it calls to mind whether or not and this is

(19:02):
something I wrote about in the Denver g Is added
in my column on Tuesday, whether or not you could
see a repeat of twenty twenty and the chaos that ensued.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Now, this is just the first night. You never know
what can happen.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
But it didn't seem to break out.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Quite that way.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
When it came to last night, but things did get
a little Harry Tony Maynis was down there in Denver
on the scene yesterday, and of course great reporter here
at KOA, and he joins me now to talk a
bit about it. Tony, good afternoon.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
You give me a hope. I hope I can live
after that high bar.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
You just you know, I think you can't even even
talking about this off air before I said, hey.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
What are a couple of things you noticed?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Because I always want to do that so we could
frame the conversation. But I also we're going to play
a couple of SNA pippets. I also heard some of
the interviews that you did last night with folks on
the scene that were very interesting in providing some of
the motivation, but we'll get to that in a moment.
Big picture, where were you at downtown last night and
what'd you see?

Speaker 5 (20:15):
All?

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Right?

Speaker 6 (20:15):
Well, I started out at the Capitol and because that's
where the rally or the protest, that's where it was
advertised to be, and that's where everyone showed up. And
I got there about a little before five and there
were probably only twenty five thirty people there, but over
the next forty minutes or so, literally hundreds began to

(20:38):
show up. And the first thing they did was kind
of line Lincoln Avenue there where traffic heads north, and
that's where they had banners and there were a lot
of cars honking as they drove by that area, and
then there was also a good amount of people just
sitting up on the grass there on the lawn. And
then eventually the program began and this gauge was was

(21:01):
a pickup truck that they pulled up on Lincoln in
front of the Capitol and they stood in the back
with a couple of speakers.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
And.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
They spoke and they chanted, and then it became a march,
and I guess I was under the impression it was
one march, but we've later found out that it's more
than one march. As you mentioned the march, that the
march that I followed, which seemed to be that the
main march headed north up to the to the Federal

(21:31):
Court building there on scouts and they stopped there for
about fifteen minutes and did a bunch of chance outside
the federal building, a federal court building, and then they
headed back to the Capitol. And then as I'm.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Standing at the Capitol, I see this other group.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
Coming north on Broadway. You know, Broadway is a block
over from the Capitol. So this it was a fairly
large group coming back north. And they end up back
at the Capitol as well. And so this is probably
about seven point thirty eight o'clock, and they started at
five and people just kind of started to disperse, They

(22:10):
just started to leave. And then I started getting the
information that the perhaps tear gas had been deployed on
the Broadway, and I twenty five, so I high tailed
it down there, and many of the Broadway was blocked
off more than once trying to get south. So I'm
driving through alleys and parking lots, and I worked my

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way pretty close to.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
The overpass there.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
I twenty five over Broadway, and that's where I see
people coming back.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
And I can see it wiping their eyes and I
can see they have red eyes.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
And I actually talked to two people and both of
them said that the police had deployed tear gas on them.
They had headed south on Broadway, which Jimmy, you know,
that's a hall from the Capitol Broadway and I twenty
five ye walk, so that they had made it within
two blocks of the of the overpass, and the witness

(23:06):
told me that the police told them, if you don't
disperse in ten minutes, then we're going to.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
We're going to tear gas you. And they didn't disperse,
and clearly both of these witnesses, and one of them
had said that he had been part of the George
Floyd protests and he was in on the East Coast
at the time, and he goes, so I know what
tear gas smells, it feels like, and so he seemed

(23:33):
he seemed with Jed. And then there's other witness I
talked to and then I started and I'm blocks away
and I started coughing, and it was just weird. There
was a weird, weird ton of smell in the air
that wasn't completely obvious.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Interesting.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
And then and then you get up today and I
see where the Denver police they had a news release
where they said, no, that wasn't tear grass, Yeah it
was pepper STRs.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Is that a distinction without it difference?

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I meanest, I don't know, Yeah, at least as far
as the protesters might be concerned. I've never I think
you were starting to say, you've never been tear gas.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I have been teacher or had pepper spray.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
That would have been my first time, Jimmy, I did
a lot of running around in my small town of Honeyton, Indiana,
but I never got never got pepperstraate or maze or
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
So, but for a lot of these protesters, it might
be a distinction without a difference, Like it's still had
enough of an effect where in their minds they're going
to think that it's tear gas. But did you get
any indication as to why the as the.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Police say, pepper spray was used.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
What happened before that point for the police to say, okay,
it's time. Were they trying to get into the highway?
Is that what it was about.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
I did ask one of the witnesses that I said,
did you think this group was trying to get onto
the freeway? And he said yes, so he thought they were.
And I think that was the response from police. They
were not going to allow those protesters onto Interstate twenty five,
which you know, we've seen in Los Angeles and we've
seen what a mess that is when they get on

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the freeway. So I mean, and we're going to allowance.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Ask you, Tony Mainas, our reporter was on the ground
for KOA last night at the protests downtown, about the
mindset and the thinking of some of the participants in
the protests. And I want to go to a snippet
from one interview that you did with a member of
the Party for Socialism and Liberation named Elizo. Talked a

(25:35):
little bit about a false narrative.

Speaker 8 (25:37):
Take a listen to this right now, a false narrative
is being spread about immigrants. They're being blamed for very
real problems that do exist in our country, like the
worsening of living conditions. People aren't able to find jobs
at pay livable wages. People are struggling to pay rent
and to afford groceries. And there's this lie that's being

(25:58):
told that immigrants are some how to blame for this,
and it's being told by the very people that are
the ones to blame. It's being told by these billionaires,
these corporate capitalists.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
That you know who have outsourced our jobs.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
So I've got it social programs.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
And instead of.

Speaker 8 (26:15):
You, instead of putting blame where it is due on
these billionaires, they would rather you blame immigrants. And so
as I see the violence unfolding by the National Guard
against these protesters, it is a It's very what I
see is people rejecting that narrative. People are rejecting that

(26:37):
that lies. They see through it, and I think that
Trump is desperate to keep that facade going.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Tony Manais, I want to ask you two part question
as we wrap up with you one thing, two things
were really about.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
The two things that stood out to me.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
One of them was so the mindset that she was
bringing in in the perspective there and whether or not
that is something you would hear echoed by others or
if there were some protesters who didn't really have as
formulated of a view. But then the other thing is
I gotta be honest, it kind of sounded like there
was a party going on there. What was the atmosphere
like at the Capitol.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Jimmy, it really actually felt it felt mostly positive.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
I do think to me, the number one thing I
saw is they hate Trump. There's no time for that.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I know.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
There are banners.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
I mean, probably the most popular banner there was f Trump.
And these were professionally made matter.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Some of them, and others were just written on cardboard,
And there seems to be I don't think that they
really have a formulated idea about what their argument is.
To be honest with you, They're kind.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
Of all over the place, and I'm not saying some
of their points aren't valid, but it doesn't say And
different organizations were there. You mentioned the Socialists were there,
The Denver Communist Party was there, the Navajo Indians, it was,
it was I don't know. It seems like a lot

(28:17):
of different people that maybe have different agendas, but they
all came together. I guess their hate of truck brings
them all together. In front of the Capitol that.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Sounds about right love or hatred for somebody can often
galvanize people of different view points, at least to some
extent or different priorities to come together and say, hey, everybody,
let's do this in unison or in solidarity, as a
leftists might say. Tony Maynis Yeoman's worked there on the

(28:49):
ground from last night in downtown Denver, and I'm glad
everything was safe and sound for you, except for a
little bit of the the interesting smells of the pepper
spray or tear gaser whatever it was that was at
Broadway in twenty five.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Well, if you have been working at a radio station,
interesting smells exist everywhere else.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I ain't that the truth, brother Tony made it is
great work.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Again, Thank you so much for your time today. Thank
you all right, we're going to take a break.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
On the other side.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
What are your thoughts about what happened downtown on what's
going on in LA five six six nine zero is
our number for the KOA Common Spirit Health text line
if you want to join in to the festivities. I'm
Jimmy Singenberger in for May Connell on KOA.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
AL with some.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Breaking news you'll recall.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
In January news had come out that the former Chief
of Schools for Jefferson County Schools, David Wise, had taken
his own life for New Years, and this was following
an investigation that was ongoing into allegations of child pornography
being conducted by the Jeffco Sheriff's Office. Well, we have

(30:11):
a bulletin here received on KOA now from the Jefferson
County Sheriff's Office with a statement noting that the criminal
investigation into former jeff Co Chief for Schools David Weiss's complete,
and that the result of the investigation was that Weiss
had no direct criminal contact with any juveniles, either in

(30:32):
person or online. So that's encouraging news, a bit of
a relief. It goes on. The investigation began in late
twenty twenty four with a cyber tip from a financial
brokerage alerting them that Weiss used bitcoin to purchase child pornography.
On December nineteenth, twenty twenty four, the Jefferson County Sheriff's

(30:56):
Office obtained a search warrant for Weiss's home. While investigations
like these do not often involve the person's employer due
to the nature of his position where he had access
to children and electronics at work. The Jefferson County r
I School District was notified of the search warrant and
cooperated with the investigation. About a week later, the JCSO

(31:21):
Jeffcocher's office was.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Notified by an out of state law.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Enforcement agency that mister Weiss died by suicide. However, investigators
continued the investigation to search for any potential child victims.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
In our community.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Investigators confiscated all known electronic devices associated with Weiss, including computers, iPads,
and cell phones. The forensic searches of these devices were
conducted by the Rocky Mountain Regional Computer Forensic Lab. This
process was lengthy and took several months to complete. While
there was evidence that Weiss's purchase child pornography, there was

(32:00):
no evidence showing any direct physical or online contact with juveniles.
This just breaking from the Jeffco Sheriff's Office. Pretty significant
news in that they've completed the investigation and are giving
some information about it, particularly noting that there was no

(32:23):
direct contact criminally with any juveniles, either in person or online.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
He'd used bitcoin to make.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
The purchase, which was flagged by a financial brokerage, and
the investigation went from there. We will talk about this
story more later on in the program and how it
ties in with some of the very important revelations that
have been done into and uncovered about Jeffco Schools and

(32:53):
their trusted adult policy and more. And we'll keep tabs
on this story, and I know you'll hear more about
it in the news as well here on KOWAY. On
the other side, we're gonna have a fascinating conversation to
the LA riots and the use of military force with
a former or retired general, Brigadier General Doug Slocombe, as

(33:13):
well as Ruben Neveret, a syndicated columnist.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
A meeting of the minds with two very.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Different perspectives and backgrounds on such a critical issue as
what's happening in Los Angeles and what could happen in
other parts of the country. We'll have them both on
together on the other side as we continue two more
hours up ahead, I'm Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for Mandy
Connell right here on KOA. Jimmy Sangenberger here with you,

(33:51):
filling in for Mandy Connall on a whirlwind day for
radio and everything happening in the media. So much going
on in the world, including local news and more, and
of course so much of it is the backdrop of

(34:11):
the riots in Los Angeles, the use of the military
to help maintain law and order, protect military, or rather
federal installations in Los Angeles, and then protests breaking out
all across the country, like last night right here in Denver,
whereas we heard earlier from KOA reporter Tony Maynis, there

(34:35):
was the use of pepper spray at one point, and
it appears that it was as they were trying to
get some protesters wanted to get onto the highway, at
least that's my understanding, but either way, it was used,
but things did not get too overblown in Denver, and
as of now, no indications of any other cities where

(34:57):
you might see the use of the National Guard. But
last night the Governor of California, Gavin Newsom, gave a
televised to dress that had a lot of technical problems,
including no sound for a while at one point at
least on the national feed cut out more. But he

(35:17):
used very strong language in regards to President Trump's use
of military force against his wishes and that of Mayor
Karen Bass of Los Angeles.

Speaker 9 (35:28):
Democracy is under assault before our eyes.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
This moment we have feared has arrived.

Speaker 9 (35:35):
He's taking a wrecking ball, a wrecking ball to our
founding father's historic project, three co equal branches of independent government.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
They're no longer any checks and balances. Congress is nowhere
to be found.

Speaker 9 (35:49):
Speaker Johnson has completely abdicated that responsibility.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
The rule of law.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
Has increasingly been given way to the rule of dawn.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
The rule of don What are we to make of this,
especially now that we do have the use of the military.
What is their role, what is the limitations and what
are some of the political implications and more?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
There are so many different aspects to.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
This story and angles we can take, which is why
I am very pleased and privileged to have two past
guests of yours, truly right here on KOA joining me
with their perspective we have. We're retired Brigadier General Doug
slocom call Sign Odie, an author of the book Violent Positivity,

(36:35):
A Fighter Pilot's Journey Leadership Lessons on Caring for People,
and syndicated columnist Rubin Never Read, a host of the
Ruben in the Center podcast, and he lives in California
and has some perspectives from the immigration side as well.
Let's dive in. Gentlemen, welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (36:56):
Greaty to be here with you today, Jimmy, I'm looking
forward to the discussion.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Thank you, General and Ruben. Good to talk with you, sir.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Go to be with you. Thanks Tom.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
So, let's kind of.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Look at this from the fifty thousand foot as to
what's happening from the view of a Californian.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
You are there in that state. Ruben neveratty.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Let's start with you and from your perspective, and you've
been very critical of President Trump here and on the
immigration issue. Written large, give us your fifty thousand foot take, sir.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
So.

Speaker 7 (37:26):
The fifty thousand.

Speaker 11 (37:27):
Foot take is that at the beginning of this administration,
even the beginning before the beginning when dal Trump was
running for president, Trump and his supporters made two promises
that could never be kept. At the same time, there
were two promises that were going to clash their incongruent
and the two promises were.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Hey, look, we're not going to go after the Gardner's,
the housekeepers, you know, people who are here without documents.
We're going to focus on hardened criminals, violent criminals.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
We have their names.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
We're going to issue warrens whopping them directly. The other
promise was Miller and others said this as well, we're
going to deport every single on documented immigrant in the country.
Because those two things are in conflict.

Speaker 11 (38:07):
It became clear within about let's say, thirty days into
the administration that ICE was not arresting enough people to
get to those kinds of goals. You're not going to
They claim that there are twenty million people in the country,
and there's no way you're going to gear of twenty
million people.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
So the ICE director was fired. People don't remember that story,
but the current ICE director is ICE Director number two.
The first one was fired because Trump, Miller and Holman
thought he wasn't working fast enough, wasn't deporting enough people.
They brought in the second guy, and he said, look,
you're going to go the way of the first guy
if you don't retch up the numbers. And Stephen Miller
imposed a quota of three thousand deports these apprehensions per day.

(38:47):
They put this in perspective, Jimmy.

Speaker 11 (38:49):
The record is held currently by Democrat President Barack Obama,
the deporter in chief.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
He got out one thousand people a day. They want
to do three thousand. There's only one way to do
three thousand people a day. You need to break the rules.
You need to violate the laws.

Speaker 11 (39:03):
You need to violate people's human rights and civil rights.
You need to turn traditional norms upside down, and that's
what they are doing now. So the fifty thousand foot
level perspective is that the people wants Angelus. For the
last three or four weeks leading up to the protests,
they knew something was wrong because they knew that typically

(39:23):
ICE agents do not go to hospitals or schools or
churches or courthouses and all that was happening. They know
typically that people don't get arrested when they show up
for their for.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
Their hearing at ICE, you.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Know, which they got all the rules. So if you
are following the rules and showing up for their appointment,
they're being arrested. So because they knew something was a myth,
they couldn't put into work.

Speaker 7 (39:43):
They didn't understand what was going on or why, but they.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Knew this was not business as usual, and that's what
ultimately erupted into the streets of Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
General Doug Slocum joining US as well, and so sort
of from your vantage point, and I want to talk
especially get you some of your perspective on the issues
of using the military and the National Guard and so forth.
But I want to just sort of get your take
on this and what you're seeing from your vantage point
with regards to the immigration issue in some of the

(40:15):
things breaking out in cities like Los Angeles.

Speaker 10 (40:18):
Well, to me, I mean, a lot of this is
very politically charged. It's political, it's personal, and I think
a lot of it runs then as unfortunate filters of
a real story of what's happening. I take everything with
a grain of salt. You know, they spent enough time,
I guess in DC, knowing that a lot of stuff
that comes out on the news is put there for

(40:38):
a purpose, by who, for what reason, And I guess,
you know, just wanting to try and make sure I
understand the truth of what's going on. You know, you
can see some of the truth in the video doesn't
take interpretation. When there's destruction of property, I've read different
cases of violence. Maybe not violence, I don't know, but

(40:59):
I don't think in anybody's book that would be okay.
And you know that ended up with the president's interpretation
whether you agree with it or not to employ the military,
and two very different aspects that that would be, you know,
the National Guard, which has an entirely different chain of
command and role in statutes that apply there. And then

(41:21):
of course the use of the United States Marine Corps
from the bases there in California also, So there's lots
of subtleties of how you know, the devil in the
details from the legal side of what's going on, and
that then is completely separate than the optics and perceptions
of what's going on, which can be a whole other topic.

(41:43):
So I'll let you kind of push this discussion wherever
you want to go with this.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Sure, well, I.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Want to ask you for a moment a general slocum
about the Possecomatitis Act from the very early or late
rather nineteenth century. In the year eighteen seventy eight passed
and this generally prohibits the use of the US military
for any kind of domestic law enforcement purposes. What is

(42:09):
your understanding hasn't always been in terms of the role
of the military visa via policing role in posecommatitis and
the ability for the President to call up military troops
in order to help enforce law in order or protect
federal property.

Speaker 10 (42:25):
Okay, two great things brought up, you know, poscomatatis act
itself and no law enforcement. Again, the double in the
details of what is law enforcement, you know, deeply personal
to me. My last assignment as a commanding general of
the base, my security forces were not law enforcement. I
mean they were the ones that were charged with security

(42:46):
in the base. So was you know, example, if somebody
ran the front gate, my security forces could detain them,
but not arrest them. We would then call the local
law enforcement our case, the sheriff in most cases, to
come out and be the law enforcement part of that.
So there are things that you can do that are

(43:08):
not considered law enforcement. And there was just an article
I was reading about how the Marine Corps is allowed
to detain but not arrest, and that's walls writing to
the category of what I was just talking about right there. Now,
back to the National Guard part of your question that
there are I don't know, dozens and dozens of different

(43:28):
ways that guards one can be activated. It's very confusing law.
But the one that's being talked about is called Title
ten twelve four h six where the president can activate
National Guard from the different states to the federal mission.
And then there's the three reasons that it can be
done under that particular statute, and basically they're citing that

(43:54):
as the reason to be able to access the National Guard.
And then all that get overridden by the Insurrection Act.
And I don't know if you were going to bring
that up, but that bypasses posse Coomatadis and you know
President Bush used that in nineteen ninety two in the
La riots very specifically for the same reason. Now, President Trump,
from my understanding, has not invoked the Insurrection Acts at

(44:17):
this point, but the military is acting has been given
very clear direction from what I've seen, to act within
the legal constraints of the posse Coomatatis Act as well
as that titled TIM four h six mobilization.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Let's talk for a moment about the politics and related
issues around this. Ruben Nevrette against syndicated columnists, I think
you shared this quote. I've been referencing it too, because
while I broadly speaking am supportive of President Trump's use
of the National Guard and Marines in this particular instance,
I think we need to have clear limits that are

(44:56):
guided by, for example, this quote from the Great Commander
William Adamo Battlestar Galactica. There's a reason why you separate
military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state,
the other serves and protects the people. When the military
becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to
become the people. Especially given some of the political blames

(45:17):
that are being thrown about saying that the use of
the National Guard is escalating the situation there, Rubin in
that context and with that quote in mind, how do
you look at the use of the military at this moment, Jamie.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
I'll give you another quote around popular culture and from
a movie. There was a movie some years ago called
The Seas and started Denvil Washington and Bruce Willis and
Bruce Willis with an army.

Speaker 11 (45:39):
General and there was some unrest. It was an anti
terrorism movie, post terrorism movie, and Denvil Washington.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Was the lead FBI agent. And there's a great quote
from the Bruce Willis character of the general. He says,
if you pull the army into the city to control
this terrorist unrest, this unrest charisms in the States. He said,
the army is not a surgical tool. The army is
a broadsword. And I put another way, I spoke this

(46:08):
morning to a differentend of mine who's a retired full
bird Marine colonel, and he and I have lunches together.
We talk about this stuff all the time, and he
wanted me to remember and to impress upon people that
the Marines speak a different language.

Speaker 11 (46:22):
Hell, they speak a different language from other branches of
the military, let alone non military. Marines are exceptionally well
skilled and trained at two things, breaking things and killing people.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
That's what they do, that's in their job description. And
the idea somehow that they would be unleashed on Los Angeles,
on their own people, on their own citizens and residents,
there is really an abomination. I'm against both the deployment
of the.

Speaker 11 (46:45):
National Guard over the governor's wishes, which is different from
what happened in the nineteen sixties. It's different what happened
at Burned.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
The La riots.

Speaker 11 (46:53):
It's an important distinction. It's one thing to federalize the
National Guard when you're trying to secure people's right. It's
another thing when you're trying to deny people's rights. It's
also a difference between John F. Kennedy federalized in the
National Guarden sixty three against George Wallace and Alabama because
Alabama's one rogue under a racist governor or Eisenhower and

(47:15):
nine fifty seven not only sending in.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
The HUNTERD first Airborne into Little Rock in potential high
school to esports students who are being harassed and threatened,
but also nationalizing, federalizing the Arkansas National Guard. Why rogue state?
Do you have alpohos and.

Speaker 11 (47:30):
Oranges between those historical examples and this one, because.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
California is not a rogue state. La is not a
rogue city, and we are not trying to cite people
of their rights the opposite.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Rubin Nevreda, though, I would push back and say, I
don't think that this is a denial of rights, because
when we're talking about illegal immigration, it is the case
that these people are here illegally, and so it is
the right of the country to deport them if, of course,
you need to go through the due process, and there's
no indication that the Trump had been stration is not going.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
To do that with people being arrested number one, Number.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Two, and this I think goes a little bit to
General Slocum's points about the role of the military in
this respect. My understanding is that this is more about
protecting federal property and aiding law enforcement, not unleashing on
the people or engaging in any type of you know,
suppressive activity and what have you, but something very different

(48:24):
and more limited in scope, which is exactly what it
should be if the military is being used.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
So I'm glad you brought that up. In fact, we
don't have to speculate.

Speaker 11 (48:31):
As to whether or not the Trump administration would deny
people their due process.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
They already have. You have the case of because Christia,
you know, shifted to Alfalvador without due process and now
brought back to face federal federal charges. This is not
a speculation. In fact, the administration has already shown that
it will and it will continue to nine people do process.
Here's the problem I have with the way you began

(48:56):
that question, Jimmy. Theirs the tendency to.

Speaker 11 (48:58):
Kind of lump together everybody who's a protester and say, well,
they're all in documented immigrants, and this somehow people who
are afraid to be deported because they're here with that document.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
The first thing they.

Speaker 11 (49:09):
Do is pick up a Mexican foag and go up
there and taunt police. Okay, that's illogical, that's not happening.
I'll show you in on something.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
The people who are protesting in the streets are the
in some cases Mexican American born children of immigrants, and
so those people who are protesting are in fact US citizens,
they are legal.

Speaker 7 (49:27):
Residents, they do have green cards, or they're.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Like me, born in this country, the parents who were
born in this country. That's the problem because in the
shorthand of looking at this, we've decided that every single
protester in Los Angeles must be on documented ergo, they
don't have rights.

Speaker 11 (49:43):
In fact, some of those people are US citizens. They
have every right and so and again to the point
of the Marines, they are there ultimately, as you say,
to protect federal buildings.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Here's the important part of the storage to me.

Speaker 11 (49:56):
When they pivot from protecting federal buildings, which is completely permissible,
to actually protecting ICE agents in commission of their duties,
then in that case they are accomplices to the enforcement
immigration law. You're not going to see a differentiation between
the Marines and the actualizations.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
For apprehending people. I don't care if a Marine doesn't
lay hands on the undocument immigrants, if they're there with
a rifle, sure to protect them, they're an accomplice to
that act. So district attorneys in Denver, you're pard you
for robbing a bank, even if you're only driving the car.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
So I want to bring in General slocom here, and
we're getting low on time here in this segment. I
do want to note there's a lot more to the
Abrigo Garcia story than suggested they are Ruben, But we
can talk about that another time, General Slocum, As you
look at the military and the use here, what might
be coming and some of what Ruben said there in

(50:52):
terms of the Marines, and you yourself for the Air
Force and the Air National Guard, of course, the different
branch of the military. I'm sure speak your own language
in many respects. How do you respond to some of
what Rubin said in look at the picture of what's
happening in terms of the use of the military and
expectations thereof.

Speaker 10 (51:10):
Well, there's some that I think my interpretation would be
different than his, but there's some that I think we
have some very common ground on. You know, when it
comes to the military. The perception, I mean, especially in
the National Guard, that was always is we protect the citizens.
We don't ever want to mess up that optic and

(51:31):
find we don't want the citizens of the United States
ever to think that their national Guard is the one
who they're facing off.

Speaker 7 (51:38):
Against and a marine.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Or the Marines.

Speaker 10 (51:42):
You're correct, you know, I'm just speaking from my personal
knowledge because there is a lot more domestic response type
of things that the National Guard gets involved with that
the active duty does not. But that subtle difference again
to the perceptions of exactly what he was talking about,
Are they protecting the citizens?

Speaker 5 (52:02):
Well, a lot of.

Speaker 10 (52:02):
People are going to say those are all undocumented or
illegal immigrants. Others are going to say, you know, no,
there are citizens there, and everybody's right. In that case,
you can't say there's just.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Not all one or the other.

Speaker 10 (52:15):
So are the military, you know, being put into a
position where they're at least appearing to be facing off
back to your first quote that you were talking about
with the citizens that they're there to protect. And I
think it's an interesting line of trying to enforce the
laws versus what is that perception of the public, be

(52:37):
it right or wrong. That is the perception out there
right now, and I think it's a very interesting, dangerous
gray area that we're wandering into here.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
So with that in mind, and unfortunately I have to
end here, but I think it's informational and helpful general.
What do you think would be the expectation that we
could have, yes, walking in that dangerous line. But at
the same time, given what the MILAG Harry knows and
understands as far as training, I mean, what chances are
there for something to go awry?

Speaker 10 (53:07):
Well, I would hope that it's very, very small. I mean,
you got to remember, the National Guard works on a
day to day basis, integrating with a lot of these
state agencies that they're dealing with now. So this should
not be a first introduction of these organizations merging their
capabilities to help out the community. To me, if I
was in a position right there, I would be stressing,

(53:29):
you know, the positive part of what I was just
saying there, we're here to help the community. We're here
to you know, just restore peace whatever is going on
out there.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
It's just let's.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
All calm down.

Speaker 10 (53:39):
Let's just you know, get to a position where there's
not that threat of violence, there's not that threat of
property destruction.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
And everything going on.

Speaker 10 (53:48):
You know, that would be my take on the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Actually, Rubin A ready thirty seconds talk about the politics
of this real quick, my friend, because we are seeing
polling data indicate that the American people are broadly on
the side of Trump and the Republicans on this issue
and at this moment, and not the Democrats.

Speaker 11 (54:05):
Yeah, but be careful with that because I think ultimately,
if Trump goes too far, as Trump tends to do,
for instance with Carus, if he goes too far and
goes to part analyine, he's going to do that support Ultimately,
I think your rights is from prper him to play.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
But Trump tends to be his own worst enemy. We
learned a long time ago, Jimmy, that no Democrats can
be Donald Trump. Only Donald Trump can be Donald Trump.
And he does it all the time with frequency and
real efficiency. I gotta thank you's good at it.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
If that's probably what's going to happen, if.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
The politics wing against Trump, he will have been something
he did that will have undone it. And so we'll
see what happens. Rubin Everretta is syndicated columnists. Retired Brigadier
General Doug Odie Slocumb. Thank you both so much for
your time and insights today. Really appreciate it. Thanks, thank any,
thank you once again, General Slocombe, Rubin Everette joining us.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
On the program.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I'm Jimmy sang and Berger filling in for Mandy Connell
with so much more to go.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
What's your reaction to that conversation?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Five six sixty nine zero is the KOA Common Spirit
Health text line. Keep it right here on KOA as
well as Friday and Monday through Wednesday. And it is
great to be with you here on ko A. Nothing

(55:30):
from nothing leaves nothing. The great Late Billy Preston and Gosh,
I think we're gonna have to get into this a
little later because of all the other things going.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
On right now.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
But I had that bumper plugged in because supposedly there's
a trade truce deal. The President Trump is struck with
China and he's saying this is done. The US and
Chinese negotiators created a framework to restore a trade truce
and de escalate economic tensions. According to The Wall Street Journal,

(56:07):
China will supply rare earth minerals and the US will
approve Chinese students attending colleges and universities. Tariffs will remain
at levels agreed to in Switzerland, with the US setting
a total of fifty five percent, So the United States,

(56:34):
you know, the Americans paying more. And I'll just come
out and say it very very clear that this is
what the Chinese have in their embedded in their culture.
And this goes back to the first trade war with China.
As saving face. Trump went way overboard on this and

(57:00):
it's hurting the American people, squeezing American businesses, and he's
pulled back.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And this is a faith saver.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
This is not a trade deal, this is not an accomplishment.
This is nothing from nothing, leaving us nothing more on
this coming up a little later in the show. Five
six sixty nine zero is the koa common spirit health
text line. What an interesting conversation with Synek economists Reuben Navarette,

(57:30):
who has been very strong against Trump on this, and
Brady Aer General Doug Slocombe, who is a conservative.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
And who has spirits. I mean, he was talking about this.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
His last job was leading an Air National Guard base
and so he was laying out some of the things
in the limits and yes, he acknowledged a dangerous line
that they're on, but at the same time there's a
clear understanding of where those limits are for the military,
especially for the National Guard.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
But it has definitely gotten the text line going.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
And I want to get to some of these, including
one from a listener making a note because Ruben had
talked about the use of the National Guard in the
nineteen fifties and sixties to help with integration when you
had the states, some southern states that were opposed to Alabama,

(58:35):
Arkansas opposed to this and getting it away, and so
Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy called up the National.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Guard, and they did so over the wishes of the governor.
Is there, and.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Ruben talked about, oh, it's all about protecting rights, whereas
this is not. And I would contend, no, this is
all about fundamentally about protecting rights. When it comes to
why the military is on the ground of Los Angeles
in the first place, it's.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
All about that.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
And it's a losing argument otherwise politically right now for
anybody to Democrats in particular, to try and make that argument,
I think.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
But that's the point that he raised.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
This is a different circumstances apples and oranges.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I do have. Texa came in.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Eisenhower sent troops to Little Rock under the Civil Rights
Act of eighteen seventy one aka the ku Klux Klan Act.
Just I thought an important clarification worth mentioning to be
sure listener texts coming in as well. The law if
the governor summons the national Guard, they are allowed to

(59:49):
assist law enforcement by federalizing the national Guard and bypassing
the governor. The national Guard is not allowed this discretion.
I don't think that is accurate, especially as we were
hearing from a Brigadier General Slocum, in terms of how
they're able to do it. Particularly, Yes, there are limitations,

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and that's how it should be. More than anything, I
look at the use of the military here as trying
to encourage law and order and ensure federal abilities are secured. Sure,
but in that process provide added safety for surrounding communities.
Discouraging violent activity typical another listener text in a reasonable

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and pragmatic conservative and a liberal that stretches the issues
to denegate Trump and his actions. I will say, in
Reuben's defense, he's not a liberal, except.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
There are some issues where he is very liberal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
He's sort of off very different avenues on a lot
of different issues.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I don't know that you can quite pin him, but
on this issue.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Absolutely he is liberal on the immigration issue for the
most part, especially as we're seeing with Trump. And yes,
I definitely think he was stretching some things here. To
be sure, no one even touched on the idea that
all people documented or not are supposed to have rights
under the fourteenth Amendment. We all pledge allegiance and say,

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with liberty and justice for all. Yes, I agree with
you there. That is why due process needs to be
the case, and actually it is the case. I'm not
aware of circumstances where due process has completely been done
away with for a legal immigrants, including Abrego Garcia. He had,

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as one listener texted during the conversation of Rego Garcia
had this exact circumstance where he had due process and
deportation orders going back to twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
The thing is he wasn't supposed to go to El Salvador.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
That was the action that the Trump administration took that
they were not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Supposed to take. But he did have.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Those orders and now he's facing criminal charges related to
alleged activities with MS thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Jimmy, if the Southern States.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Were rogue states, as Ruben used, I think the term
rogue for not obeying civil rights legislation. Wouldn't California be
rogue for not cooperating with federal enforcement of immigration law? Yes,
without question, Without question, Ruben fails to mention that these

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are not peaceful protests. Whether the protesters are here illegally
or they are citizens, they are breaking the law by
vandalizing property, setting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Things on fire, etc.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
I will say they're mostly peaceful protests, right, So, yes,
there is peacefulness going on. People are having their protests,
like last night in Denver, most of that was priestful.
Most of it's going on in La Okay, fair enough, true,
But then you have the violence going on, and that

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is not something to be ignored. And yet Karen Bass,
Governor Newsome, they're trying to ignore it, act like it
is in fact all President Trump's fault for sending in
the National Guard, and that's amplifying the tensions. No, your
failure to bring about law and orders. What's amplifying the tensions.

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And the military is there to assist the situation because
you are not doing so. And it isn't just about
not enforcing immigration law. It is really about you're not
addressing the chaos and the violence and things that are
happening in the city.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
You have the National Guard and the Marines called up
worthwhile in my view. But yes, that fine line gotta
carefully walk that. I'm Juby Sangenberger in for Mandy Conno.
Keep the text coming five sixty six and nine zero.
Lots more up ahead to discuss as we continue on

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KOA today, on this Wednesday and Friday. Speaking of catching
the waves as I fill in for Mandy Conno. News
broke today of somebody catching the waves to the heavens.

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Brian Wilson, who is leader of the Beach Boys and
a founder of California Rock, as the Rolling Stone magazine
puts it, invented a massively successful pop sound full of
harmonies in Sunshine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
He's died at the age of eighty two.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
His family, writing in a statement on social media, quote,
we are heart broken to announce that our beloved father,
Brian Wilson, has passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
We are at a loss for words right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Please respect our privacy at this time as our family
is grieving, we realize we are sharing our grief with
the world Wilson's family did not provide a cause of death,
but it was revealed in February twenty twenty four that
the Beach Boys legend was battling dementia.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
As Rolling Stone puts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
It, Wilson's legacy includes dozens of ubiquitous hit singles with
the Beach Boys, including three number one singles I Get Around,
Help Me Ronda in Good Vibrations. In the nineteen sixties,
the Beach Boys were not only the most successful American band,
but they also jockeyed for global pre eminence with the
Beatles and on albums such as Pet Sounds, Wilson's lavish

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orchestral production techniques dramatically expanded the sonic palette of and
roll and showed how the recording studio could be an
instrument by himself. Each Boys legend. Brian Wilson dead at
the age of eighty two. Rest in peace, sir, Rest

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in peace. Another musical legend lost. That's always sad just
eats at you when it happens, It really does. I'm
Jimmy Sangenberger once again and covering for Mandy Connell today
in the next hour. Lots more to cover, including a
dismissal by Denver Public Schools of their lawsuit against the

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Department of Full Land Security over immigration enforcement near schools.
And I have to tell you when DPS claims victory, you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Know it's not a victory. You know they're spinning.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
It like the superintendent, doctor Alex Morrero spins getting better,
getting better.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
It's absurd.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
What's the DPS doing to spend this one. We'll talk
about that on the other side and update you on
the completion of the Sheriff's Department investigation in Jeffco into
former Chief of Schools of Jefferson County Schools David Weiss.
That news breaking within the past hour. Keep it here
as we continue another hour up ahead. Jimmy Infomandy on

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Kawa on this Wednesday, June eleventh. Back in the saddle
on Friday and Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday next week Friday through Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Here I am as.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Well, and it is great to be with you. As
we've just it's been boom boom boom. If you've been
along for the ride today on the show, you know
how much is happening, fast paced and everything with the conversations,
the topics. It is absolutely a whirlwind and I'd be
remiss if I didn't talk about this may or may

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not be my Friday column topic for the Denver Gazette,
especially in light of the Jefferson County Schools news that
we had about former chief of Schools that David Weiss,
and the investigation complete now by Jeffco Sheriffs into Weiss
and the use purchase of child pornography. More on that

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coming up in a moment, But this one ties directly
in with the chaos when it comes to Los Angeles
and the use of the military. Okay, sure, but more
so the issue of illegal immigration enforcement. Denver Public Schools

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has dismissed their lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security.
This was as of yes, this lawsuit specifically regarding ICE policy,
immigration and custom enforcement policy regarding enforcement of immigration laws

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at or near schools. And I've been on here talking
about this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I was in the courtroom for this case when DPS
had requested an injunction, a nationwide injunction on this policy.
And look, I'll just go back to this. In March,
federal court US District Judge Daniel Domenico had asked a

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straightforward question about a raid at the Cedar Run apartments
that happened near a school, not in the school, not
right there, but in the vicinity, relatively speaking, not far,
and the district had cited Seed to Run as proof

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that the Trump administration had stripped away decades long protections
for schools by replacing previous guidance that had been provided
to Ice. The judge basically asked if the Sea to
Run raid would have violated the Biden era policy that
DPS said they wanted to restore. The district could not

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give a clear answer. Is it your inability to tell
me clearly yes, that raid violates the injunction? If you
put an injunction in place, doesn't that show we don't
know where this confusion or harm is really coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
That was Judge Domenico, a Trump appoint.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
And as I wrote at the time, the exchange exposed
a fatal flaw in DPS's case. Really the fatal flaw
in a rare bench ruling that rejected the strict demand
at the time for a nationwide freeze on Trump's Protected
area's policy. Judge Domenico concluded that even after holding a hearing,

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we could never get a clear understanding of whether that
cedar or run rate I talked about could be prohibited
under the twenty twenty one memo, which is the previous
bited administration guidance on ICE enforcement at or near schools. Really,
what this came down to is that the district wanted

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to create enforcement free zones throughout Denver, even where you
would have criminal organizations like Trend des Aragua operating.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
In fact, Domenico concluded this if bus stops or all
schools are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Included in the definition of protected area, as well as
being anywhere near them, then.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
The entire city would be covered.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
He's right, and that exposed in just one sentence that
this was DPS's backdoor attempt to handcuff immigration enforcement throughout
Denver under the guise of student safety.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
The lawsuit was never.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
About actual policy changes or misunderstandings. Though the changes were
not substantive, they gave more latitude to local field directors
for ICE.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
That's really what it came down to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
But DPS dismissed their lawsuit and in doing so claimed
it was another significant victory. They dismissed the lawsuit claiming victory, saying, quote,
this was another significant victory for DPS and school districts nationwide,

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as the Department of Homeland Security admitted it in federal
court that the policy had not been changed in any
meaningful way and that schools remained protected as sensitive locations.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
This act was not previously known.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
It was previously known.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
So their claimed the victory because something was revealed in
court that was already made available and known if you
just did a little bit of investigation. They were going
for something much bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
It didn't happen. They wanted it in junction. It didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
They dismissed the case because they realized they didn't have
a case because there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
That is had changed in a meaningful way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
It was giving more latitude to local officials so that
they wouldn't have to go to headquarters in DC and say, hey,
can we act on this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
That's it and guess what.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
In Colorado and my knowledge anywhere else, there has been
no arrests made at schools by ice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
None. DPS claims victory for this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
It's like the superintendent, doctor Alex Morrero, saying that you know,
when we're looking at some things that are going on
with academics or the graduation rate being historic at seventy
nine percent. We're getting better at getting better now, a

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non victory is declared a victory. If this is a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Win, then it's insult. It's an insult to wins.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
I mean, it's just astonishing. But that's Denver Public Schools
for you. Always laughable, never a dull moment, and this
spins so unbelievable. You just can't make this stuff up, folks,

(01:14:57):
you just can't. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger, Year for Mandy Connell.
Don't go anywhere as we continue on KOA Show, Jimmy
Sangenberger here with you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
On KOA. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Time flying by, lots going on and breaking news that
came out a little while ago from Jefferson County Schools
excuse me from Jefferson County Sheriff's Department that the criminal
investigation into former Jeffco Chief of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Schools David Weiss is complete.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Remember this is the guy who was in being investigated
for child pornography and he took his own life in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
January on New Year's in Maryland.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
The result of the investigation was that Weiss had no
direct criminal contact with any juveniles, either in person or online.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
This investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
They said that the Sheriff's department is that it began
in late twenty twenty four from a cyber tip that
a financial brokerage firm had given them, alerting that Weiss
had used bitcoin to purchase child pornography. Bitcoin clearly intended
to help hide the transaction. December nineteenth, the Sheriff's office

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obtained a search warrant for his home and notified the district.
Given the sensitivity of his position, that led to his
immediate termination, and within a couple weeks the public really
didn't know much of anything except from the press. No
notice went out to parents, Hey, this is what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Then it finally did when their hand was forced after
the suicide and the public became aware and was more notified.
The district scrambled to put together public messaging.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
So on and so forth. But really this underscores a
lot of problems.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Thank god that no students were involved, no children, no
juveniles by him directly in terms of direct contact. Obviously
there were children and whatever productions or what have.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
You he purchased.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
But the big issue here is that this is the
guy who was responsible for implementing jeffco schools, very troubled
trusted adult policy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Hey, you know, pick her trusted adults.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Teacher, counsel our staff member, very trusted adult.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
They're waving the banner. I'm a trusted adult.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Come to me.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
And it has brought about a culture of secrecy, as
I call it, with students keeping secrets from parents on
things like pronouns and gender social transitions at schools. It
has brought about, i think, exacerbated to pre exist cultural
crisis in Jeff Coo schools regarding.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Sexual abuse.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
So you have more of that, and oftentimes we're seeing
a lot of these stories with the person that was
identified as trusted adult by student victims or alleged victims.
And David Weiss was responsible for implementing these policies.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
It certainly has called.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
To question a lot of things and I think parents
are right to be very concerned about all of this.
Will continue to cover this story as anything more comes
out and is known. Other breaking news today is that
President Donald Trump has been heralding in a deal with China.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
That really amounts to pretty much nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
He said, magnets and any necessary rare earths will be
supplied upfront by China as part of the trade agreement.
Tensions escalated after China imposed export restrictions on several rare
earth elements and magnets widely used by the automotive and
defense sectors. Very problematic for American companies. So of course

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that's what Trump would like to do away with. Oil
prices had popped on the news as well, but Trump
declaring all caps, we are getting a total of fifty
five percent tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
China is getting ten percent.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
He added that magnets at any necessary rare earths will
be supplied upfront. Apparently the Chinese government, Chinese Communist Party
will approve magnet deals or something to that effect. I
was just seeing a headline on CNBC TV.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
To that effect.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Bottom line, Americans paying more than Chinese. And it's just
not it's not a deal. This is not a trade deal.
This is a truce to say, Okay, the escalation's going down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
We're holding things at bay a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
And prices are still higher and tax rates, teriff rates
are still higher. That's not a trade deal. This is
not a win. This is China and Trump saving face.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
And that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Mostly Trump saving face. I'm sorry to say.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
But it's the reality, spin from Denver public schools, Spin
from President Trump, spin all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
That's politics for you, I guess, Jimmy and from Andy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Today, Rabbi Jonathan Houseman out of Massachusetts will join me on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
A couple of topics.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
He's always a fantastic guest on the other side, and
we've got one or two other things we will touch
on if time permits before the end of the show.
As we're flying by, keep it right here on KOA.
I bet it's a tune that is enjoyed by my

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final guests today. Last, but not least, my good friend
from Ahavas Tarah Congregation in Stoton, Massachusetts, Rabbi Jonathan house Me.
Houseman joins me this afternoon. Welcome back to Kway, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:21:26):
You're becoming a real pro at the city.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Guy's name, let me tell you thank you after years
of interviewing you and uh is that kind of yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
I have to draw it in or at least that's
how I view it. How about BB King, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
God, I'll tell you know love him? Listen. I like
the Three Kings of the Blues, BB, Freddie and Albert.

Speaker 7 (01:21:51):
Yeah, but I gotta tell you I got a special.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Place in my heart for Albert Collins, and nobody played
guitar like that. He played guitar like the guitar was
either a trumpet or a piano. Just absolutely magnificent master
of the telecaster.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
I have to tell you that I almost plugged in
an Albert Collins song, but I decided this one because
I was enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Well well, well good enough. I will tell you that there.
You can find it on YouTube. That's a I think
it's from Greeley, Colorado, A great, great show by the
magnificent Ronnie Baker Brooks, whom I saw, yeahs back at
the beginning of May.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Is this the one this week?

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Was either this weekend at the Greeley Blues Jam he
might have been, but you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Can find this one.

Speaker 7 (01:22:39):
I think it was twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
And I'm following Ronnie Baker Brooks for a long time
in another great, great guitarist, great blues guitars.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
He has a new album out and on that album
is a great song Robbing Peter, Robbing from Peter to
pay Paul, and I played that last.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Week as a bumper filling in. It's awesome, it's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
He played he played it at death as as a
matter of fact. And the great thing is, you're going
to die when I tell you who followed him, Kenny
Wayne Shepherd.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Being there you go, There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
And we talked about that one because I saw them
last month when they were here through Denver Paramount.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Yeah. Yeah, great, so great act, great shows.

Speaker 7 (01:23:21):
See of course, Well, let's face it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
I mean, the world is a flame.

Speaker 7 (01:23:26):
And you know, you talk about the situation.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Of Jews blues. I've said this on the show previously,
previously over the years with you. You know, if you
talk about the quintessential Jewish musical art form, of the
quintessential musical art form form that should speak to the
Jews and the Jewish condition and whatnot, it has to
be the blues. Just has to be the blues. And

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you know, it's nice that if you're Jewish, if you're Jewish,
it's nice to have friends out there like Gabe Evans.

Speaker 7 (01:23:56):
You've got a good congressman.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
There there you go, And we'll get to Gabe at
a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
I do want you to explain that, I mean maybe
intuitive for folks, but explain why is blues the music
of the Jews.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Well, well, well, look, what if what what does the
blues do? It takes your life's situation, explains it in
music and tries to lighten your lighten your load, and
lighten your mood. And you know, there is light at
the end of the tunnel, whether you're talking about uh,

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love that has been das something that's unrequited, whatever the
situation is. And you know, it speaks to people who
are on the move.

Speaker 7 (01:24:36):
And see, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
This has been the quintessential Jewish experience over the past
at least twenty three hundred years. And I'll be honest
with you, I probably can argue four thousand years, so
you know, and not without not without fault. It should
be mentioned that, you know, a lot of these blues
artists and it was called race music back then. Yes,

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you know, you know it was Jews.

Speaker 7 (01:25:03):
Who helped to record and.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Promote a lot of these absolutely magnificent artists.

Speaker 7 (01:25:07):
And it's we're not just talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
People like the King quote, Boys of the Close quote,
or or Albert Collins or any of these other people.
But you know, you're talking about go back to to uh,
you know, Chess Records, and he was who he was
recording with Muddy Waters and and and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
And yeah, the list goes on Wolf.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
That's right. And he's the one who you know, Leonard
Chess with with Chuck Berry and whatnot. You want to
go back even further talk about Jimmy Reid and who
recorded Jimmy Reid and things of that sort. So this
is what you end up finding.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Rabbi Jonathan Houseman our guest, the man who has hosted
blues festivals at his synagogue in Stoughton, Massachusetts. I want
to jump into a couple of things with you this afternoon, Rabbi.
One of them you mentioned Congressman Gabe Evans, and he
joined by the four other Republican congressmen and women. The

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three others from Colorado, Jeff Crank, Lauren Bobert, and Jeff Hurd,
all put forward a resolution that had such resounding support
overall from enough of a majority to get it passed
that they were able to go through suspension of the
rules to fast track this resolution condemning anti Semitism in
particularly the terrible tragic attack two Sundays ago June first,

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a terrorist attack by Mohammed Sabri Solomon, an Egyptian national
here illegally in the United States, where he burned Jews
in public on Pearl Street Mall absolutely horrifying. And yet
despite this powerful resolution, one hundred and thirteen Democrats voted

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against it, whereas zero Republicans voted against it. Your twofold reactions, Rabbi,
to both the attack in Boulder and sort of what
message that sends or what that teaches us about what's
happening in this moment, and also this resolution put forward.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
By Congressman Evans had passed by the House.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Well, look, I have to be honest with you. I think,
really for me taking a look at this, you know,
I can't separate the two. They are conflated. And I
really and I listen. Kudos again, kudos to Gabe Evans
was a sponsor of this. How he got seventy five
Democrats to vote on that bill, I think is nothing
sort of remarkable, But I think what it really speaks

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to us if anybody has any lingering douncil vote whether
Jew hatred and I preferred that term rather than anti Semitism,
the jew hatred in America has exploded.

Speaker 7 (01:27:51):
I mean, take a look at that vote.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Take a look at that vote. It's the pure numbers
of the vote, twenty five twenty six percent, roughly a
quarter of the House of Representatives Monday night voted against
condemning anti Semitic terrorism.

Speaker 7 (01:28:07):
Think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Think about that. You know, when the House took its
roll call vote and I was watching this you know, resolution.

Speaker 7 (01:28:16):
For eighty something or other, you know, you know, it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Resolution denouncing this particular anti anti Semitic terrorist attack in Boulder. Yeah,
had one hundred and thirteen Democrats were refused. Members of
the House of Representment refused to condemn the violence. It's
just an absolutely disturbing development. And I really think underneath

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it all, it's something that Melanie Phillips has written and
spoken about over the past couple of months since The Relationships,
her latest book. You know, it really demonstrates how completely
progressive ideology has warped morality and ethical views and a
moral worldview, you know, and and it's and it's in

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the halls of Congress now and it's not enough. And
she wrote listen and nobody. Phillips writes about it. From
the point of view was being a British citizen. I mean,
she's Jewish, but a British citizen and and what it's
done to the House of Commons and the Labor Party
over in Britain. And unfortunately, it's not just it's not

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just uh consigned to the Labor Party, you know, it
is really infiltrated to a lot of members in the
Conservative Party, the Tory Party over there. So this warping
of morality is such that you can't condemn violent, racialized
attacks against some segment of the population. And it's not

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just Boulder, it's the kids who were those two kids
who were hunted down in Washington, DC and had twenty
one bullets pumped into their bodies, okay, or the rabbi
was attacked in Brooklyn. I mean, this is this is
just yeah, at an unbelievable moment where we're living, and

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I just want to just said one thing. The absolute
violence that you see today is not something that I
grew up with. But I grew up with a lot
of this anti Jewish family and anti Jewish sentiment. I
mean I remember as a kid where I grew up

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clubs with signs that said no Jews allowed. This is
my lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Now. There was another resolution also passed unanimously by the
House with Democrats on board, that also had done a
condemnation of anti Semitism, but it seemed both to be
a much less powerful and impactful. But also the Democrats
would claim that they voted and I think all Colorado

(01:31:04):
Democrats voted against the resolution we've been talking about four
eighty five. And they would say, oh, well, there was
a there was a gratitude express to Ice, and we
can't express gratitude to Ice, and at least that was
their excuse for not supporting this resolution from gave Evans.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Unbelievable, just unbelievable, this nexus at which we find ourselves.

Speaker 7 (01:31:26):
And by the way, when you talk about Ice, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Talking about law enforcement agents of the federal government who
were doing their jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
I think I'm being told that Joe de Goose actually
did vote for the Evans resolution, but I'm I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
But the other Democrats I believe didn't, right, And it's.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
And listen with regard to Ice and what's happening in
their and their excuses and everything that those kinds of
statements and behaviors up giving fuel to the fire for
what we see now in Los Angeles and in Chicago,

(01:32:11):
New York. Just I mean, just today it was announced
that the governor I think it was the governor of Texas,
maybe was the Attorney General Ken Paxton Texas already preventatively,
I've called up units of the National Guards to cities
like San Antonio. It's planning. I mean, there's this big

(01:32:33):
plan for massive rallies this coming weekend. And you know,
they want to make sure that everybody understands. You want
to you want to express yourself. You express yourself, you know,
in a civilized manner, you don't go hunting for the
other side to harm.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
To be just not any questions, there are no question whatsoever.
And yet we have excuse making here in Colorado Rabbi
Jonathan Houseman from people saying, oh, this is Zionism, and
so that was really what this is about, is this
guy was anti Zionism. But quite frankly, Zionism is code
for jew That's what it is, plain and simple, and

(01:33:15):
just a political cover for them to provide that kind
of justification for violence.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Right and not just the code for justification for violence.
But you take it a step further ward. Israel has
become the Jew of the world, as it were. So
all of this is all, all of this is all
in this crock pot, you know. And if you read

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Dave Evans's resolution, and by the way, I sent him
a note of thanks to be to be honest with you,
you know, what did he do? You know, his resolution,
if I recall correctly, affirm that free and open communication
is is a bedrock of our society, but it's also

(01:34:04):
a bedrock of public safety. And you know, it's it's
one thing to express yourself, it's another thing when you
talk about potential terrorist attacks. And yeah, yeah, listen, with
regard to Boulder, I was a terrorist attack.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
It was without question, which is why I was glad
to see the FBI not a dance around the issue.
But immediately Bongino in particular put out a statement saying,
we're investigating this as an active terror and we have
our agents on the ground already looking into it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
I want to shift gears.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
We just got a couple more minutes with you, Rabbi
Jonathan Houseman our guests from Stowton, Massachusetts. There is a
piece in the New York Times yesterday by columnist Thomas Friedman.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
This israelly government is a.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Danger to Jews everywhere, and of course he condemns the attack.
He says you know all those things, but he says
that if Israel goes ahead with Netanyahu's vowed to perpetuate
this war indefinitely to try to achieve total victory over
every last Hamasnik, along with the far rights fantasy of

(01:35:16):
riding Gaza of Palestinians and resettling it with Israelis, Jews
worldwide better prepare themselves, their children, and their grandchildren for
a reality they've never known to be Jewish in a
world where the Jewish state is a pariah state, a
source of shame, not of pride.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
And then he goes on.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
To site letters from former Israeli military leaders that are saying,
we condemn Hamas and what happened. The war was fully justified,
but this is a moment of recording, it's not too late,
and saying it became clear that this was that this
was losing its strategic and security purposes and instead served

(01:36:01):
primarily the political and personal interests of the government. That
from a couple of military leaders. Friedman quotes, what is
your reaction to all I just threw at your rabbi.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
I discount Thomas Friedman almost one hundred percent. To be
honest with you, this is a guy who believes that
individual countries and individual people must sacrifice some degree of
if you're talking about countries, economic sovereignty and things of
that sort, to global institutions, and if you're an individual,
you have to sacrifice some of your individuality and personal

(01:36:36):
freedoms for the greater goods.

Speaker 7 (01:36:39):
This is what this guy promotes.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
He is a classic leftist who has always, since his
first book, From Beirut to Jerusalem.

Speaker 7 (01:36:50):
In nineteen eighty two, all right, has just been an.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Absolute critic of Israel, unless you're talking about the very
people you can find running the government itself. This is
just classic Freedman, you know. And it's interesting his position
because you probably the prime organization today in Israel that

(01:37:16):
deals with Israel's national security issues and policy development as
an organization in the Hebrews called how bipon Eastim which
means the Security Experts and English it's the Israel Defense
and Security Form. And you know, maybe Jimmy, we should
talk offline because I know a number of the people
from the IDSF. See if I can get one of
them next time you're on the air. Okay, A lot

(01:37:40):
of this organization outweighs former military people out of the
IVF regarding support for the prosecution of the sword by
approximately twenty three to one. Look, I mean you.

Speaker 7 (01:37:57):
Can find people here in.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
The United States or just about any position you want
as well. Of course, overwhelmingly Israeli military veterans are supportive
of the government and what the government sees as what
needs to be done in terms of prosecuting the war
that was forced on Israel all right on October seventh,

(01:38:21):
twenty twenty three, which, sister, honestly, I will tell you
what I said to my congregation the following week, which was,
if you never had grandparents who experienced the pagrum in Europe,
now you're seeing what a pagrum looks like, because that's
what that was.

Speaker 7 (01:38:36):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
And on that powerful note, we need to leave it there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
My friend, Rabbi Jonathan Hausman, Havas Turah Congregation in Stoton, Massachusetts,
always good to talk with you, even in these most
distressing times. And you know we are all here very
supportive of the Jewish people of the State of Israel
and can't be more important at this time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Jimmy, you've been true blue and I'll do anything for you,
but I will have one request.

Speaker 7 (01:39:10):
Next time we're on Clever Doones.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
No thanks christ kingfish Ingram.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Okay, he is coming to the Blues from the Top
festival last weekend of the month.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
So I've seen him live, I've.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Seen it, I've seen him. You gotta go see him.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Yeah, absolutely, he is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Rabbi Jonathan Houseman once again, thank you, my friend, and God.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Bless you're too. Jimmy. Fine, that is.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
It for me today, but from Friday through Wednesday, I
will be back in the saddle for the traveling Mandy
Connell calivanding around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
It is so good to be with you today.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Be sure to check out my website Jimmy Sangenburger dot com,
from my latest columns to podcasts and more.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
All ease, all the time, and sang and Burger. Once
you know that sang and Burger is easy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
Have a great see you on Friday, and as I
always say, May God bless the United States of America.