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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You guys have to understand that sometimes I utilize my
program simply to satisfy my own curiosity. And today is
one of those days because after being an horrible sleeper
for my entire life, I was first diagnosed with chronic
insomnia when I was nineteen, when I signed it for
a sleep study because it paid fifteen hundred bucks at
Florida State University, thank you very much, and they said, oh,

(00:23):
you have sleep disorder.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
That was the first time, and I.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thought they were going to fix it, but they were like,
oh no, no, that's not what we're doing here. We're
just going to tell you have it. In my lifetime,
I've tried every single sleep thing you can imagine. I
mean every one of them, including prescription, non prescription meditation,
everything that could possibly be done. I have tried every

(00:46):
single thing out there, and they either leave me the
next day literally unable to function that is where I
am for most of prescription medications, or with a just
a crippling headache the next day. They all have some
negative that if they help me sleep, they leave me
feeling terrible the next day. So obviously that's not gonna work.
And when I got back from Japan, and my horrible

(01:08):
sleep was wrecked even further by a fourteen hour time change.
I was struggling badly, and Greg from Blue SKYCBD was like,
you've got to.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Try our sleep jells.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
And at that point, if he had said, lay down
in dog poop and it will help you sleep, I
would have laid down in dog poop.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I would have just been like, whatever, it's fine, just
do it. And he got me some of their sleep jails.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
And you, guys, I have not ever slept this well,
this long, this many days in a row continuously, just incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
The numbers that I'm getting on.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
My sleep scores on my watch I've never gotten in
my entire life, let alone night after night after night
after night.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So now that I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Taking these things, I am retroactively asking both doctor Eric
Dorninger got it, thank you and Greg Carpenter for Blue
SKYCBD to come in to talk about this stuff, because
for me, this is a miracle. But I want to
know what I'm doing in my brain. So guys, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
First of all, thanks for having us very great story.
Nothing is more important than a good night's sleep.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I got to tell you, I you know, I'm at
the point of my life and I'm I think I'm
probably when I say this, there's going to be a
lot of people in this listening audience that are going
to be able to relate. I know how many nights
I cannot sleep and still function at a pretty high level,
Like I know that number. I know how many days
I can go sleeping like two hours a night and
not you know, have a nervous breakdown.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
And that's not a normal thing for people to know.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
So this for me has just been so incredibly good,
and I need to know how it works because this
texter said that's because it has THCHC in it.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
It does not have THHC in it. I have tried
THHC for sleep and it does not work for me.
So what are we doing here? What is this?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'm going to start with you, doctor Dorninger and let
you talk about it, and then we'll come to you Greg,
because I want to hear how you got into this
whole business in the first place.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, well, with that will make two big points.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
The first is that THCHC but not CBD, actually disrupts
sleep sleep architecture. So what that means is THHD can
help you fall asleep, but it actually wrecks your restorative sleep,
just like a glass of wine. And I think everyone's
had this experience where they have a glass of wine.
It enhances GABBA in their brain, the cool calm collective chemical.
They decompress, they drift off into sleep easier, but then

(03:27):
they wake up. THHD has a similar phenomenon where it
will help you fall asleep, but not stay asleep and
not get you into deep restorative sleep where you go
through multiple rem cycles get that restorative orjuiter the anti
aging beauty sleep. So how most of these molecules work
with your experience is ultimately as anti inflammatories. And when

(03:50):
I worked at the retirement community for ten years, the
favorite sleep drug of all the senior seniors, the eighty
six year olds and ninet two year olds was ADVILPM
or talin LPM right, And those are anti inflammatories that
absolutely help with sleep, while they destroy your liver.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Kid, Yeah, come on, who needs a liver after a
certain point.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, I'm allergic to ens.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
There, I'm not into advil or anti tail and all.
You just can't use them on a chronic level. Whereas CBDCBN,
which is our sleep gel formula, our anti inflammatory restorative
sleep cycle. Restoring, They put you back into mother nature
circadian rhythms to wake rested.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
How does that work? What do we talk?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Because I spent an inordinate time learning what ambien does
your brain. It's fascinating, all right, But ambien will also
make you a horrible person if you take it long enough.
And that's personal experience. So how does this work on
your brain? And why does what is CBN versus CBD?
Why does that matter that they're both in there? You
know what's happening?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, so real quick, on ambien, that is a hypnotic yep.
So you don't go into restore sort of sleep. You
just get basically hypnotized. You get a coma into an
eight hour something. But it's not restorative sleep whatever that is,
it's not restorative sleep. The CBD is an anti inflammatory,
uplifting productivity molecule. So CBD actually enhances GABA a for

(05:17):
feeling cool, calm collected five ht one, which is a
serotonin pathway for feeling enthusiastic, and dopamine for ambition and
dry feelings of self worth. And you need a little
bit of that anti inflammatory for the CBD to help
dampen all the inflammation you've built up in your body
that day, because inflammation messes with melatonin release and sleep cycling.

(05:40):
So you need a little bit of that CBD in there.
If you put too much CBD in there, like I
take seventy five milligrams of Blue Sky Original in the
morning as an uplifting productivity molecule to give me enthusiastic
about patient care.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
But if you put too much in that.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
You could really feel a little too jazz at bedtime.
So we have a little bit of CBD to bring
down the inflammatory levels in your body and let that
melatonin come out and start talking. Help that cortisol drop down.
You want cortisol spike in the morning but drop in
the evening. You want melatonin to spike in the evening
but drop in the morning. The CBN actually helps with

(06:15):
the actual circadian rhythm, so that literally kicks your pineal
gland and your hypelthami's pituitary adournal access to get back.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I mean, of course, as it should, you know, I
should all that gland stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's of course, that's how it worked.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Really in plain English.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
It puts you back into farmers hours, wake up with
the sun, go to bed with the sun and release
restorative growth hormones melatonin, and get cycling with mother nature
again so that you can awake refreshed and ready to go.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I've been doing all kinds of I've been testing my sleep.
I have a new like little experiments to see, you know,
whether or not. And even when I did not take
it last night because I have to have some surgery
on August first, and you can't do anything, you know,
a week before.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
They want you off pretty much everything. And I was like, well, how.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Is this to be if I don't take it for
a week. And even last night I didn't take it,
and I slept better than I have in like five years.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
So it's a reset molecule. And some of our customers
needed on the daily. They take it every night. Other
people take it where they have big day tomorrow, they're overwhelmed,
they're having hard time settling down, and they take it
three four times a week.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Right, Gregor, I want to ask you, how did you
end up in the CBD business?

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Well, I want to take a quick step back, just
to piggyback a little bit on what Jornier was saying,
Because the CBN molecule was not in our formulas when
we originally started the company, And I think what a
lot of people don't understand is how much inflammation in
general plays into the inability to get really great sleep.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
Right.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
And the reason why I say that is when we
first started the company, going on seven years ago, we
were only using We only had CBD. We didn't have
the CBG that we have in our max really fam
we didn't have the CBN in our sleep formula, but
we still got consistent feedback from our I mean not
only our customers, but our friends and family coming in

(08:12):
and saying, am I getting better sleep? Because my dreams
are really vivid. The point to that is as we
help the body and the brain regulate and control inflammation,
that just automatically allows the body to get into a deeper,
more restorative sleep. And your story, if you're reading the

(08:32):
reviews on the website, are not abnormal, right, Like, we
can't make claims that this is going to do XYZ
for you, but your sleep numbers. You'll see a number
of other stories online of people just like you that
see their sleep scores go from forty to ninety. That's
like an extra hour in deep sleep and rem sleep

(08:54):
jumping pretty dramatically.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
I mean, for me, it's the simple thing of waking
upree o'clock in the morning, realizing it's three o'clock in
the morning, and being able to go back to sleep
until the alarm goes off.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
For people, I mean, for I don't know how many years,
the last twenty five years. If I wake up three o'clock,
I'm getting up because I'm awake, like I could stand
up and do my radio show at three o'clock in
the morning. That's how awake I am.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
And that usually means you had a three am cortisol spike,
and what you're what's happening there is you're modulating that.
So cortisol's supposed to spike at seven am like a
rooster and wake you up. You're going at three am
when you damp in inflammation, you damp in cortisol spikes,
and then you're gonna be able to roll back over

(09:40):
and get more restorative sleep.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Here.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
That for me, has been the most amazing thing. I
don't know in my adult life that I've ever been
able to do that. And that sounds so crazy to
say it. No, is that was normal for so long
that it doesn't. It didn't even phasee me anywhere. I mean,
when you don't sleep while you learn to adapt, right,
you just learn to punch to a point.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah, but that is a torture method is literally sleep
depriving people until they have psychotic break. So if I
could give one thing to our world to bring more
peaceful interactions, it's a good night's sleep, right to everybody.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
If you have a question.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I got a lot of questions on our text line
for Greg and doctor Dorninger from Blue Sky CBD, and
I want to start with this one. And it was
down here. We actually I actually already responded to the
guy off the air, but I want to ask this
question on the air because I think it's important. At
a lot of questions about THHC, and we got one saying, look,
I'm in the Air Force reserves and they tell us

(10:35):
not to use CBD products because we could test positive
for THHC. First of all, let's talk about is there
any THHC in these products?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Greg?

Speaker 6 (10:45):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
All of our products, every formula is final batch tested
by a local lab here sc Labs, All of the
all of those diagnostics are readily available to every consumer
on our website listed under every product, and it is
imperative to note that what we're not anti THCHC, where

(11:10):
we just don't believe that these products need THHC in
them to bring the relief, the anti inflammatory, the pain reduction,
the better night's sleep in them.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, and this texture said, can you get these outside
of Colorado?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
What are the laws to mail order them?

Speaker 6 (11:29):
Say?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
In Wyoming?

Speaker 5 (11:30):
They can go to our website. It's Blue Sky DASHCBD
dot com.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
They can order. I believe you have a promo.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Code, yes, Mandy, M A and D Y, and.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
That is thirty percent off, not just on your first order.
You can use the promo code Mandy as many times
as you'd like for the life however long you choose
to use our products.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
You will see in there.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
I mean we ship across the country on a daily basis,
and they can order and they can choose postal service
or UPS or however they prefer to have it delivered.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Are you guys in any local retail locations.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Or is it all mail order? A couple of people asking.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
That question, good so, good question.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Our distribution network or our retail outlets are listed on
the website. They're not your we're not in and we
will likely never be in your seven eleven or your
King Soopers. We work with healthcare providers, so we're available
at your Twin Rivers locations, at your proactive physical therapies,

(12:36):
at a number of naturopathic doctors across Denver. So it
most most of the time, it's easiest and most convenient
to order online and have it shipped to your door.
But if you are in an area where you would
rather go and pick it up on the day, you
can go to the website and look at the locations

(12:57):
where it's available.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
And so, okay, a couple things.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
One said, I truck driver cannot use CBD because it
has been tested by large companies and have found THHC
in CBD. There's a case for the Supreme Court overseeing
us do this issue.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
How would you respond to that, doctor Dorninger.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, this is I'd like to circle back around and
talk about how I became part of the company. Was
one of our original founding members was working for a
cardiac lab company, and he would come into my office
and I would just grind him to a pulp on
the embellishment of the data he was showing me, and
I would critically read through that, and they were looking

(13:38):
for someone to do research and development for CBD, and
Patrick said, hey, we should get doctor D on board.
So we all went out to dinner and my big
three where I wanted purity, impotency.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Purity impotency means what's.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
In a natural product is what's in there, and then
potency means you were ten percent above or below. So
a thirty milligram original sky jail should be thirty three
to twenty seven milligrams. It could be ten percent below
ten percent bug right. We hit that I needed zero TC.
And the reason I wanted zero THD is because nobody

(14:15):
needs enthusiasm, feeling cool, calm, collected and dialed ambition and
dry feelings of self worth. Then a paramedic, a police officer,
a military member, and these people don't get to smoke
a joint after work, right, and to bring to come
down from a crazy day. So I needed that zero TC.
And then finally we needed the best price per milligram.

(14:38):
I will tell you we already have the best price
per milligram on any CBDCBN or CBG isolate. If you
add that Mandy thirty percent off, it's crazy savings on that,
but you will not pop positive for THHC isolate. Unfortunately,
a lot of the drug companies when they test, they
just do a phyto canbinoid test, So if you're on CBG,

(15:00):
cbn cbd THC, they have a generic test for all them,
So you have to make sure your company is testing
for for PhD specific.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, I got a couple of fast questions. Do you
recommend your sleep products for night shift workers? We actually
talked about how they help reset your circadian rhythm, and
I've been a midnight to six radio person and that
just jacks you up. So would this be helpful for
someone if you're working that opposite schedule.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
In particular, if you are a true night shift worker.
So the literature shows living with Mother Nature is the
best in regards to cancer prevention. If you're just a
graveyard shift worker, that's second best. A little bit of
high rates of cancer people who are switching back and
forth from day shifts, night shifts and everything in between.
So just make your imitation cycle and use the sleep

(15:53):
Jeal's recording.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
So if you have that steady schedule, maybe not as
much if you're back and forth.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's right, which I think of back and forth schedule
is just cool.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
If you're back and forth, I would recommend the CBD
original because you're full of inflammation, right, And I would
take the CBD original upon waking, just pure CBD isolate
with MCT oil and take seventy five two hundred and
fifty milligrams.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
If I can note one quick thing, and I know
we're probably short on time, the question about THHC testing
is super relevant and very obviously is foundational for us
as a company. The other, the other thing that comes
up relatively often is that there is the misnomer that
these products actually need THHC in them to work, which
is really fake news, false information. And so if people,

(16:41):
if if our listeners or your listeners are under that impression,
what I would recommend is spend some time with the website,
read some of the published research, all of.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
This wee questions, where's the information?

Speaker 5 (16:53):
It's there, and then you know, if you're living in
this world where you believe products need THHC to provide
anti inflammatory or in pain relief and better at night's sleep,
I would just suggest to read our reviews.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
They're all verified reviews.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
It's very clear that these are our customers going out
of their way to share their experience, And I feel
like even more than what doctor D and I can
say that those experiences in that real world testimonial is
of more value than anything that we could say.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
This person said, what prescription drugs react with sleep cells?

Speaker 2 (17:24):
And I think that's a valid question.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
You know, we do have a lot of older people
who may be on a lot of prescription meds. Do
we have a good idea of what could contraindicate?

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah, no concern with militonin. I'll take ten twenty milligrams
melatonin with sleep gel and have no issues. Three milligrams
is what the average person takes. But as we age,
you actually radically diminish your melatonin output. So there's no
concern if melatonin doesn't work at the sky gel. If
the excuse me, the sleep jel, it's the sleep jeal's

(17:54):
working better, Try and drop the melatonin. But if you
notice the combo works better for you, that's great. Prescription drugs.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, overall, So is there any issue with prescription drugs?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Prescription there's not any issue.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
It's more that the otcs and the prescriptions are showing
concerning mild cogni IMPAIRMIT and dementia. So if you're on
a Benzo, I'll actually use like xanax to sleep. I'll
actually use the sleep jos with the prescriber to help
get them ramped off of benzo gracefully. A lot of

(18:25):
people are using Benadryline over the counter that was just
shown on the Aging Brain List to not be good.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
It is amazing to me.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I sold insurance to elderly people for a while, and
I'd see their drug list and it was amazing to
me that I'd meet these little, little old ladies who
were on like forty milligrams of xanax H Like what yeah,
I would take it out down and these little ladies
are like, oh, that's my nerve pill.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Like I bet it is.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
And a lot of people are actually embarrassed or ashamed
of that because everyone knows as bad, so they won't
even report in their new patient paperwork. Now with EMR,
we see these how many people are truly on benzos.
There's a time and a place for benzo's. It's hot,
it's getting in and out of a brandom riah with
with claustrophobia. We'll use CBD for things like anxiety and

(19:08):
claustphobia as well.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
You can check out everything that we're talking about. I
just got a text from my friend Mark who said, Mandy,
the promo code isn't working.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Does it have to be all caps?

Speaker 6 (19:17):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
No, it just has to be Mandy.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
The only time that it won't work. The promo codes
do not work with the subscriptions. Uh the.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
Okay counted?

Speaker 5 (19:31):
So I would I would wager that that is it.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Say sleep subscription okay. Yeah, So if you want to
know what and here's the thing. They have a tester
pack that you can get where you can get twenty
sleep gels. And people talk about the cost. I am
here to tell you I would have paid five times
the amount of money to be getting the kind of
sleep that I'm getting now. I genuinely mean that one
hundred percent. Just try it by the little pack, try it,

(19:59):
commit to I hope it works as well for you, guys.
I put a link to the blog to their website.
On the blog, you can go to Blue Sky DASHCBD dot.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Com for more.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Guys, thank you so much for making time today, and
thank you for making this product, because this for me
absolute game changer.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
It might make me a better talk show host. I
don't know, maybe we'll see

Speaker 6 (20:18):
It's our pleasure, Thanks for having us.

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