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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, if you're a regular listener to the show, you
have definitely heard my next guest before.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's one of my most popular guests.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I always get great feedback when Rich Gugenheim is on
the show, and today I want to introduce him as such. Hey, everyone,
welcome published author Rich Gugenheim to the program.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hey, Rich, how you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Manby? It's good to be waving again.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So have you gotten some like elbow patches for your
blazer yet now that you're a published and maybe a
pipe so you can sit and puff on your pipe
with your jacket with your elbow patches now that you're
a published author.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I guess I just need to get one of those
badges from the Scouts something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, let's talk about the book.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It is a book that it came about because for
the last what how many years now have you been
doing this?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
About two years?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Two years of fighting for rational biological fact.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That's what you've been up to. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I would say that's speaking the truth for the truth.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And you were on this program when you made a
comment about gays escaping the rainbow plantation, whether all they're
picking glitter? And now that is the title of your book,
Escaping the Rainbow Plantation.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Tell my listeners about your book.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, it started out with that media hit done by
some people, some transactivists, and so I had it to
steal their thunder and actually dedicated the book to the
author of that article that did that. And The Rainbow
Plantation is a book almost three hundred pages. I can't
believe I wrote that much. And it talks about how
(01:39):
gender ideology has captured and hijacked the LGB movement. The
LGB movement was a right for It was a fight
for freedom and liberation, and what we've seen today was
hijacking by the TQIA plus is undermining what I call
the family, the bedrock and the found of society. And
(02:02):
I have made that statement before that this ideology, this
gender ideology, isn't about anything other than ending civilization. And
people think that's a little bit far petched. So I
decided to take that and end this book. I talk
about how gender ideology undermines the foundation of society, the family,
(02:22):
but also how it attacks the five pillars of society,
and those five pillars of society are science, academia, media, medicine,
and government. Now and then I talk in one chapter
specifically because a lot of people want to paint this
(02:44):
as a far right agenda or a far rye talking point,
and it's not. I talk about the Mahmood case that
was brought by Muslims, and how I talk about a
majority of the people that are fighting against it happened to
be liberal ideologists, people that identified as lifelong Democrats. And
I also talk about how a lot of the people
(03:06):
that are fighting against this the polling and I bring
in the polling number. In one chapter, I talked directly
to the Democrats, and I say, one, a majority of
you oppose this, but you have a fringe minority that
is well funded speaking on your behalf. You have an
obligation to speak up and make your voice heard, and
don't let them silence you. This is about speaking truth
(03:28):
and it is about liberty, because these are not libertarious
forces at play here.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, you know one of the most interesting things that
you specifically address the Democrats, because I just saw this
the other day from the Wall Street Journal, The Democrats
approval numbers right now are about thirty three percent.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Thirty three percent.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Donald Trump is more popular than the Democratic Party right now.
According to the latest polling data. And to your point
that you just made, I think that until they sort
of stop allowing these fringed organizations to attach themselves on
like little barnacles and then they just give them the
(04:10):
microphone to show. In my view, I think that Democrats
are very wetted to this notion of demonstrating how thoughtful
and how open and how you know, they don't judge,
and they don't do anything unless you're a conservative wunch case.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They do all of those.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Things, but they're so wedded to the virtue signaling on
these issues that they have allowed themselves to be taken
over by those virtue signalers. And I think that's going
to be a huge problem that they've got to sort out.
So I think it's interesting that you're directing this directly
to them.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Have you gotten any feet? Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
We have to speak truth right, and part of that
is speaking. I believe we've gone as far as we
can with a Republican on moving the needle on this issue.
And one of the things that I will say, you
brought that up the Democrats to talk about love Clarence, acceptance, inclusion,
but anybody, and it's not just conservatives anybody who does
(05:07):
not align with their ideology and their agenda is branded
and attacked, and they do that because they want to
bully them into silence. And that's what all of this
is about. This gas lighting is a form of emotional manipulation,
and emotional manipulation is bullying. And that's time that we
just speak truth to this and it's time to call
it out. And I share a story in this book
(05:27):
about Fred Sargeant, and Fred Sargant was one of the
organizers of the Christopher Street Liberation Day in that march
that grew out of Stonewall, and I talk about how
he went to a Pride event in New Hampshire and
was carrying a sign that said woman face blackface with
slashes through them and he was assaulted by Transwrites activists.
(05:51):
But to add insult to injury, then the lgb mainstream
media decided to publish stories about it and call him
law Literally, one of the founders of gay rights movement
was assaulted and then belittled and attacked and told he
was wrong by the LGBTQ establishment.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
That's so I mean, I don't get me wrong. I'm
going to say, that's so funny it's not funny, haha.
But it's like, here's one of It's kind of like
the way that people attack Washington for, you know, his
his foibles, and it undermines the fact that he's the
father of the country, right. I mean, that's it's very
similar to that that once you and let's be real,
(06:31):
the ideology that that man that you're speaking of holds
did not change, but the ideology shifted dramatically to the left,
and he was left behind.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I mean, isn't that kind of what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, it's eating it's it's a snake eating its tail.
And this really goes back to the other thing that
I talked about with when I talked about media and
big tech. Big tech and media are all playing into this,
and they're suppressing certain narratives and advancing others, and so
they love to advance this gender ideology, and then anybody
who's gender critical or doesn't advance their ideology, they're silenced,
(07:07):
they're deplatforms, they're demonetized. And that's something that I'm actually
experiencing right now with a very book on x which
is supposedly, according to Elon Musk, the free speech platform.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
But my posts are constantly getting I have over three
thousand followers and my posts about this book are reaching ten.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well, I want to see what happened to my post
about it because I did a post today. Oh no,
my post about it has gotten seven hundred and eighty
seven posts. Wait, hang on one second, I've got a
few because what I did was I did a post
and about the book, and then in the comments I
put a link to the book. That seems to be
the only way to get around that kind of school duggery.
(07:49):
Buy social media platforms, and it works better than you
would think. So I did a post with a link
in the comments to where people can buy your book,
and I bought it today because not only do I
like you and I can't wait to read it because
I guarantee it's funny, but I also want to support
the voices who are the ones saying the truth that
(08:10):
they need.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
To be supported.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And I think it would be absolutely amazing if your
books shot up to the number one book in LGBTQ
books today.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Force people to.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Pay attention too, Yeah, I mean, but force people to
pay attention.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
What's crazy about this too, is when you look at
the different platforms and you look at the voices that
are being silenced, and then you look at the big
money behind it. And I talk about this also, the
money like the Pritzkers, and I talk about the money.
This is what I term and I coin the gender
industrial complex. And I think that this is what it
(08:47):
is so hard about going up against this complex, the
money and the power that's behind it, and a lot
of people feel intimidated by it. And that's why I
really say in this book, we have to speak truth
because of what is at stake. It's our families, it's
our children, it's their futures, it's their innocence, it's their
freedom to grow up and live happy, healthy, productive life.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, one of the things Rich that I think is
interesting about the way we started this conversation is that
you believe they're going after the foundation of society. And
one of the reasons that I wanted and I've always
supported gay marriage, is because so many of my gay
friends just wanted to be able to have their families,
whether that was just them and their spouse, or it
(09:30):
was them and children. Maybe they brought in children from
a prior relationship, but they just wanted to be able
to have a family unit. So I do think it's
interesting that you think this is a bigger attack on
the family foundations when for a long time people on
the right accused gay people of attacking those family foundations.
And I would always make the argument, no, they just
(09:52):
want to be able to have a family like we do.
So can you expand on that just a little bit?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Sure? When we were at the Capital for the hearing
on thirteen twelve, there are several of us who were
gay parents. We had two dads, they had two moms,
and there are several of us there who are signed
up to speak and testify against that bill because even
as gay parents at same sex parents, we have children
(10:18):
and we have families, and we don't want to see
our children growing up, going to school and having them
taught things are exposed to things that we don't agree
or consent to. That's one of the biggest things is
they're robbing us and they're stealing away and consent. We
don't want our children being indoctrinated and groomed to go
down this pathway of medicalization that leads to irreversible harm
(10:41):
without our knowledge and consent as parents. So that's a
big piece of it. And I think when we saw
something that again I address in the book, not just
speaking to Democrats, but it's dividing the Democrats, and it's
forming new partnerships that ten years ago no one would
have ever seen. I remember on thirteen twelve, I was standing
(11:01):
outside the Supreme Court chamber and the President of the
Senate walked by, and there were two gay people with
one couple with their children, myself and two people from
Focus on the Family. And I stopped him and I said,
I want you to look at this moment right here
in history. You have gay people who are sitting and
aligning with Focus on the Family on an issue. I said,
(11:25):
I don't think there was ever a moment in my
life up until now where I thought that would be happen,
that would be a reality.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Exactly what did he say?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
He's just like, well, I disagree with your stamp on it.
And I said, that's that's perfectly fine. That's your choice.
I said that, you know, the reality is the things
that I'm hearing from the Democrats while I'm in the
Capitol today are the exact same theme that I heard
from the Republicans when I was fighting for civil unions
and same sex marriage twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Golly, that's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
The book by Rich Guggenheim is called Escaping the Rainbow Plantation,
And Rich, you know, who do you really want to
read this book?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Who is the who?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
If you could place it into the hands of certain
people and basically force them clockwork orn style with toothpicks
in their eyes to read this book.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Who would you love to see.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Pick up this book and read it just to find
out if maybe they would have a better understanding of
your position.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Man, I would love hear the people like the people
at One Colorado and the people at the Southern Poverty
Law Center and the people at a Human Rights Campaign
to read this because they are not speaking for us.
And I actually there's a lie in this book for
those of you who want to go on an Easter
egg hunt. I call out the Human Rights Campaign. I said,
an organization that once stood for freedom and liberty is
(12:44):
now represents the brand for slave on the Rainbow Plantation.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I don't know if the right people are going to
read it. That would be sad, because you.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Know, the audience is going to be there, right, the
audience is going to be more of the conservative people
that are opposed to gender ideology. And that's fine because
I also want them. There's so many people that agree,
but they're afraid to speak out. I want them to
know that they're not alone, and I want them to
find the truth, and I want them to find the
resources to be able to articulate their feelings and their
(13:19):
thoughts in a way so that they can't have those
conversations right.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And I would love that as well, because I think
what it comes down to for you know what, I'm
tired of rich and this is really infuriating for me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I actually know. I take that back.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It's not infuriating because I've just had so many accusations
like this hurled at me over it doesn't bother me anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It kind of rolls off my back. But it's just stupid.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Is that I'm told that I am transphobic, I am
homophobic if I don't support the medicalization of children, and
in my mind, not supporting the medicalization of children that
studies have shown most of them are just going to
be gay. I feel like I'm a better advocate for
(14:00):
the gay community then people who are rushing to get
hormones and puberty blockers for little children.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, and I talk about that also, And I think
one of the things that I would say along those
lines is when we start having those conversations, I think
the time is going to come down the road where
a lot of the transitioners and the people who have
been harmed by the gender industrial complex, they are going
to start speaking out. And when they speak out, the
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LGBTQ plus community is going to excommunicate them and treat
them like they are apost states. And they're going to
find themselves without a community and without friends and without
a support network. And it is up to us as
a society to welcome them back and show them compassionate love,
because they're going to have not only the physical trauma,
but they're going to have the emotional trauma as well.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Exactly exactly, Rich huge, and I am the book. I
cannot wait to get it. I ordered it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
It will be here July thirty first, not just because
I'm interested in the topic, because I really want this
book to be successful and perhaps force some people who
are not even where these conversations are taking place to
finally take notice, and hopefully the book will be a
massive success. I put a link on the blog today,
So people can just go to the blog and go
(15:16):
over to Amazon and buy the book just to support
Rich what he's doing, get the message out. I would
love it if you guys would do it. If you're
a reader, you can even get it on your kindle
for free. How does that work for an author?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
For you, Rich, Well, I don't get anything for the
kindle for free, so I decided to do that just
to kind of help get it out there. I want
people to have this knowledge. I want people to have
this truth, and that's why I decided to do it
for free as a kindle. So if you have that,
please download it. And if you love it and you
like what it has to say, I invite you to
(15:48):
share the link with other people, or even buy the
book and share it with a book, and just don't
be afraid. Once you read this book and you understand
the points and it's well cited. Everysing chapter has citations,
so it's all backed by fact. It's not just hyperbole
and me meeking stuff up. Share that information with people.
That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
That's all you can ask for.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Rich.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's good to talk to you again, my friend, and
I hope that lots of people buy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
The book today. Thank you, all right, we'll talk to
you later.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That's Rich Guggenheim. His book Escaping the Rainbow Plantation is
out now on Amazon, and as I said, I ordered
my copy today. I really would like people to get
the information
Now, if you're a regular listener to the show, you
have definitely heard my next guest before.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's one of my most popular guests.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I always get great feedback when Rich Gugenheim is on
the show, and today I want to introduce him as such. Hey, everyone,
welcome published author Rich Gugenheim to the program.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hey, Rich, how you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Manby? It's good to be waving again.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So have you gotten some like elbow patches for your
blazer yet now that you're a published and maybe a
pipe so you can sit and puff on your pipe
with your jacket with your elbow patches now that you're
a published author.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I guess I just need to get one of those
badges from the Scouts something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, let's talk about the book.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It is a book that it came about because for
the last what how many years now have you been
doing this?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
About two years?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Two years of fighting for rational biological fact.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That's what you've been up to. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I would say that's speaking the truth for the truth.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And you were on this program when you made a
comment about gays escaping the rainbow plantation, whether all they're
picking glitter? And now that is the title of your book,
Escaping the Rainbow Plantation.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Tell my listeners about your book.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, it started out with that media hit done by
some people, some transactivists, and so I had it to
steal their thunder and actually dedicated the book to the
author of that article that did that. And The Rainbow
Plantation is a book almost three hundred pages. I can't
believe I wrote that much. And it talks about how
(01:39):
gender ideology has captured and hijacked the LGB movement. The
LGB movement was a right for It was a fight
for freedom and liberation, and what we've seen today was
hijacking by the TQIA plus is undermining what I call
the family, the bedrock and the found of society. And
(02:02):
I have made that statement before that this ideology, this
gender ideology, isn't about anything other than ending civilization. And
people think that's a little bit far petched. So I
decided to take that and end this book. I talk
about how gender ideology undermines the foundation of society, the family,
(02:22):
but also how it attacks the five pillars of society,
and those five pillars of society are science, academia, media, medicine,
and government. Now and then I talk in one chapter
specifically because a lot of people want to paint this
(02:44):
as a far right agenda or a far rye talking point,
and it's not. I talk about the Mahmood case that
was brought by Muslims, and how I talk about a
majority of the people that are fighting against it happened to
be liberal ideologists, people that identified as lifelong Democrats. And
I also talk about how a lot of the people
(03:06):
that are fighting against this the polling and I bring
in the polling number. In one chapter, I talked directly
to the Democrats, and I say, one, a majority of
you oppose this, but you have a fringe minority that
is well funded speaking on your behalf. You have an
obligation to speak up and make your voice heard, and
don't let them silence you. This is about speaking truth
(03:28):
and it is about liberty, because these are not libertarious
forces at play here.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, you know one of the most interesting things that
you specifically address the Democrats, because I just saw this
the other day from the Wall Street Journal, The Democrats
approval numbers right now are about thirty three percent.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Thirty three percent.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Donald Trump is more popular than the Democratic Party right now.
According to the latest polling data. And to your point
that you just made, I think that until they sort
of stop allowing these fringed organizations to attach themselves on
like little barnacles and then they just give them the
(04:10):
microphone to show. In my view, I think that Democrats
are very wetted to this notion of demonstrating how thoughtful
and how open and how you know, they don't judge,
and they don't do anything unless you're a conservative wunch case.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They do all of those.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Things, but they're so wedded to the virtue signaling on
these issues that they have allowed themselves to be taken
over by those virtue signalers. And I think that's going
to be a huge problem that they've got to sort out.
So I think it's interesting that you're directing this directly
to them.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Have you gotten any feet? Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
We have to speak truth right, and part of that
is speaking. I believe we've gone as far as we
can with a Republican on moving the needle on this issue.
And one of the things that I will say, you
brought that up the Democrats to talk about love Clarence, acceptance, inclusion,
but anybody, and it's not just conservatives anybody who does
(05:07):
not align with their ideology and their agenda is branded
and attacked, and they do that because they want to
bully them into silence. And that's what all of this
is about. This gas lighting is a form of emotional manipulation,
and emotional manipulation is bullying. And that's time that we
just speak truth to this and it's time to call
it out. And I share a story in this book
(05:27):
about Fred Sargeant, and Fred Sargant was one of the
organizers of the Christopher Street Liberation Day in that march
that grew out of Stonewall, and I talk about how
he went to a Pride event in New Hampshire and
was carrying a sign that said woman face blackface with
slashes through them and he was assaulted by Transwrites activists.
(05:51):
But to add insult to injury, then the lgb mainstream
media decided to publish stories about it and call him
law Literally, one of the founders of gay rights movement
was assaulted and then belittled and attacked and told he
was wrong by the LGBTQ establishment.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
That's so I mean, I don't get me wrong. I'm
going to say, that's so funny it's not funny, haha.
But it's like, here's one of It's kind of like
the way that people attack Washington for, you know, his
his foibles, and it undermines the fact that he's the
father of the country, right. I mean, that's it's very
similar to that that once you and let's be real,
(06:31):
the ideology that that man that you're speaking of holds
did not change, but the ideology shifted dramatically to the left,
and he was left behind.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I mean, isn't that kind of what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, it's eating it's it's a snake eating its tail.
And this really goes back to the other thing that
I talked about with when I talked about media and
big tech. Big tech and media are all playing into this,
and they're suppressing certain narratives and advancing others, and so
they love to advance this gender ideology, and then anybody
who's gender critical or doesn't advance their ideology, they're silenced,
(07:07):
they're deplatforms, they're demonetized. And that's something that I'm actually
experiencing right now with a very book on x which
is supposedly, according to Elon Musk, the free speech platform.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
But my posts are constantly getting I have over three
thousand followers and my posts about this book are reaching ten.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well, I want to see what happened to my post
about it because I did a post today. Oh no,
my post about it has gotten seven hundred and eighty
seven posts. Wait, hang on one second, I've got a
few because what I did was I did a post
and about the book, and then in the comments I
put a link to the book. That seems to be
the only way to get around that kind of school duggery.
(07:49):
Buy social media platforms, and it works better than you
would think. So I did a post with a link
in the comments to where people can buy your book,
and I bought it today because not only do I
like you and I can't wait to read it because
I guarantee it's funny, but I also want to support
the voices who are the ones saying the truth that
(08:10):
they need.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
To be supported.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And I think it would be absolutely amazing if your
books shot up to the number one book in LGBTQ
books today.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Force people to.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Pay attention too, Yeah, I mean, but force people to
pay attention.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
What's crazy about this too, is when you look at
the different platforms and you look at the voices that
are being silenced, and then you look at the big
money behind it. And I talk about this also, the
money like the Pritzkers, and I talk about the money.
This is what I term and I coin the gender
industrial complex. And I think that this is what it
(08:47):
is so hard about going up against this complex, the
money and the power that's behind it, and a lot
of people feel intimidated by it. And that's why I
really say in this book, we have to speak truth
because of what is at stake. It's our families, it's
our children, it's their futures, it's their innocence, it's their
freedom to grow up and live happy, healthy, productive life.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, one of the things Rich that I think is
interesting about the way we started this conversation is that
you believe they're going after the foundation of society. And
one of the reasons that I wanted and I've always
supported gay marriage, is because so many of my gay
friends just wanted to be able to have their families,
whether that was just them and their spouse, or it
(09:30):
was them and children. Maybe they brought in children from
a prior relationship, but they just wanted to be able
to have a family unit. So I do think it's
interesting that you think this is a bigger attack on
the family foundations when for a long time people on
the right accused gay people of attacking those family foundations.
And I would always make the argument, no, they just
(09:52):
want to be able to have a family like we do.
So can you expand on that just a little bit?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Sure? When we were at the Capital for the hearing
on thirteen twelve, there are several of us who were
gay parents. We had two dads, they had two moms,
and there are several of us there who are signed
up to speak and testify against that bill because even
as gay parents at same sex parents, we have children
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and we have families, and we don't want to see
our children growing up, going to school and having them
taught things are exposed to things that we don't agree
or consent to. That's one of the biggest things is
they're robbing us and they're stealing away and consent. We
don't want our children being indoctrinated and groomed to go
down this pathway of medicalization that leads to irreversible harm
(10:41):
without our knowledge and consent as parents. So that's a
big piece of it. And I think when we saw
something that again I address in the book, not just
speaking to Democrats, but it's dividing the Democrats, and it's
forming new partnerships that ten years ago no one would
have ever seen. I remember on thirteen twelve, I was standing
(11:01):
outside the Supreme Court chamber and the President of the
Senate walked by, and there were two gay people with
one couple with their children, myself and two people from
Focus on the Family. And I stopped him and I said,
I want you to look at this moment right here
in history. You have gay people who are sitting and
aligning with Focus on the Family on an issue. I said,
(11:25):
I don't think there was ever a moment in my
life up until now where I thought that would be happen,
that would be a reality.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Exactly what did he say?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
He's just like, well, I disagree with your stamp on it.
And I said, that's that's perfectly fine. That's your choice.
I said that, you know, the reality is the things
that I'm hearing from the Democrats while I'm in the
Capitol today are the exact same theme that I heard
from the Republicans when I was fighting for civil unions
and same sex marriage twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Golly, that's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
The book by Rich Guggenheim is called Escaping the Rainbow Plantation,
And Rich, you know, who do you really want to
read this book?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Who is the who?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
If you could place it into the hands of certain
people and basically force them clockwork orn style with toothpicks
in their eyes to read this book.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Who would you love to see.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Pick up this book and read it just to find
out if maybe they would have a better understanding of
your position.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Man, I would love hear the people like the people
at One Colorado and the people at the Southern Poverty
Law Center and the people at a Human Rights Campaign
to read this because they are not speaking for us.
And I actually there's a lie in this book for
those of you who want to go on an Easter
egg hunt. I call out the Human Rights Campaign. I said,
an organization that once stood for freedom and liberty is
(12:44):
now represents the brand for slave on the Rainbow Plantation.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I don't know if the right people are going to
read it. That would be sad, because you.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Know, the audience is going to be there, right, the
audience is going to be more of the conservative people
that are opposed to gender ideology. And that's fine because
I also want them. There's so many people that agree,
but they're afraid to speak out. I want them to
know that they're not alone, and I want them to
find the truth, and I want them to find the
resources to be able to articulate their feelings and their
(13:19):
thoughts in a way so that they can't have those
conversations right.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And I would love that as well, because I think
what it comes down to for you know what, I'm
tired of rich and this is really infuriating for me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I actually know. I take that back.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
It's not infuriating because I've just had so many accusations
like this hurled at me over it doesn't bother me anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It kind of rolls off my back. But it's just stupid.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Is that I'm told that I am transphobic, I am
homophobic if I don't support the medicalization of children, and
in my mind, not supporting the medicalization of children that
studies have shown most of them are just going to
be gay. I feel like I'm a better advocate for
(14:00):
the gay community then people who are rushing to get
hormones and puberty blockers for little children.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, and I talk about that also, And I think
one of the things that I would say along those
lines is when we start having those conversations, I think
the time is going to come down the road where
a lot of the transitioners and the people who have
been harmed by the gender industrial complex, they are going
to start speaking out. And when they speak out, the
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LGBTQ plus community is going to excommunicate them and treat
them like they are apost states. And they're going to
find themselves without a community and without friends and without
a support network. And it is up to us as
a society to welcome them back and show them compassionate love,
because they're going to have not only the physical trauma,
but they're going to have the emotional trauma as well.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Exactly exactly, Rich huge, and I am the book. I
cannot wait to get it. I ordered it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
It will be here July thirty first, not just because
I'm interested in the topic, because I really want this
book to be successful and perhaps force some people who
are not even where these conversations are taking place to
finally take notice, and hopefully the book will be a
massive success. I put a link on the blog today,
So people can just go to the blog and go
(15:16):
over to Amazon and buy the book just to support
Rich what he's doing, get the message out. I would
love it if you guys would do it. If you're
a reader, you can even get it on your kindle
for free. How does that work for an author?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
For you, Rich, Well, I don't get anything for the
kindle for free, so I decided to do that just
to kind of help get it out there. I want
people to have this knowledge. I want people to have
this truth, and that's why I decided to do it
for free as a kindle. So if you have that,
please download it. And if you love it and you
like what it has to say, I invite you to
(15:48):
share the link with other people, or even buy the
book and share it with a book, and just don't
be afraid. Once you read this book and you understand
the points and it's well cited. Everysing chapter has citations,
so it's all backed by fact. It's not just hyperbole
and me meeking stuff up. Share that information with people.
That's what I want.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
That's all you can ask for.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Rich.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's good to talk to you again, my friend, and
I hope that lots of people buy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
The book today. Thank you, all right, we'll talk to
you later.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That's Rich Guggenheim. His book Escaping the Rainbow Plantation is
out now on Amazon, and as I said, I ordered
my copy today. I really would like people to get
the information
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