08-04-25 FULL SHOW - Jimmy Sengenberger in for Mandy Connell

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 4 (00:27):
Good afternoon. It is Monday.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for Mandy Connall today, and I'm
so glad to be with you and even happier to
report from Mandy that I can very much let you
know that her surgery went well. She says, I am
doing great, big thanks for all the prayers and well wishes,

(00:54):
and I will be back and ready to go next Monday.
Glad to hear that was very glad to see everything
went well for you, Mandy, and we look forward to
next week, a week from today, when you're back in
this saddle. May your recovery go well. In the meantime,
I'm here today and tomorrow and we have so much

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to do, including oh my gosh. Jason Crowe, congressman for
the sixth Congressional District, went on Bill Maher's show the
other night, and yeah, he did what he typically does,
which has flubbed completely a obvious layup question for someone

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who likes to sort of fancy himself occasionally and at
least given the perception of I'm the middle of the road,
specifically in this case, talking about that guy in New York,
mister mom, Donnie, who is zo Ron Mom?

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Donni? Mom, Donnie?

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Always want to have another m there who is the
communist running for mayor.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Of New York? And well, this is what Maher had
to say.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
We've never had some in this radical some of the
things he says. You know, he quotes Marxist each according
to their need. I mean, that's straight up communism. Whether
you call it the abolition of private property, you call
it housing guarantees, it's preferable.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
To what is going on right now.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
I mean that just the phrase abolition, abolition of private
property not something we'll usually hear in America. Prisons were obsolete.
What purpose do they serve? I could think of a
couple The NYPD is racist, anti queer, and a major
threat to public safety. I think most people think cops
are protecting their public safety, even on the issues and

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problems with the police department. Do you like capitalism? No,
We've never had a guy quite like this.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
And then Jason Crow makes the lame joke about Beard's
coming back to politics, and then he's directly asked about
Mom Donnie and the criticisms.

Speaker 7 (03:12):
You're going to have to answer everything like this.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
They're going to ask every single Democratic politician.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
It's not that's never I.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
Mean, there's always a villain.

Speaker 9 (03:21):
There's always people they would always try to create a villain.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
It's my point.

Speaker 8 (03:24):
Always try to create some boogeyman or boo boogie who.

Speaker 9 (03:27):
If it wasn't this one, it was going to be
somebody else.

Speaker 7 (03:30):
I'm not creating anything.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I mean, I'm not.

Speaker 8 (03:31):
Defending the policies.

Speaker 9 (03:33):
There are plenty of things that I disagree with there
and that I that I don't come down on. But
but the point being, we see this every cycle. I've
now been doing this long enough to know that every
single cycle there's some you know, contrived villain or boogeyman.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
And if it wasn't this is not contrived.

Speaker 7 (03:47):
You're going to be the mayor of New York.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
He's not good drive. He's going to be the mayor
of New York exactly.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Talk about a dodge Mom Donnie, a communist who wants
to defund the police, who wants to as we'll get
to in a moment taut globalize the into fada and
more radical extreme positions. And Jason Crowe, who's got to
go sixth Congressional District representative for Colorado, has the audacity

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to say, oh, well, you know every time this always happens,
we have a contrived villain. There's Bill Baher going, dude,
come on, get with the program. This guy is the
real deal. This ain't contrived, and he wants to be
the mayor of the largest city in the United States
of America. Then there's a columnist named James Kirchik, who.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
I think, really from a.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Perspective that I guess is a little more open to Obama.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Well, you just have to hear how he puts it.

Speaker 10 (04:53):
Everything at the crazy far right alleged about Barack Obama
wasn't born in America, Islamist socialists, I semi case America.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
It's all true about this guy. Okay, it's all true.

Speaker 11 (05:04):
But yes, you miss.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
It is it is true.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
It is absolutely true about Mom Donnie. The more extreme
stuff that was said about Obama that wasn't true is
actually be true about this guy.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
It was a funny comment, but it was honest.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
And yet again, here is Jason Crowe insisting, oh, this
is just what comes up from.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Time to time.

Speaker 9 (05:39):
But but the point being, we see this every cycle.
I've not been doing this long enough to know that
every single cycle there's some you know, contrived villain or boogeyman.

Speaker 8 (05:47):
And if it wasn't this.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
New York really, Jason Crowe, are you scared of the
COMI are you afraid of saying a word in criticism
of the communist running for mayor of New York, of
the anti semi running for mayor of New York, the
guy who embraces globalized the Intifada Kirchik blasted the Democrats

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over that exact thing, refusing to condemn Mom Donnie for that.

Speaker 10 (06:17):
You didn't even mentioning the thing that I find the
most appalling, which is that he defends the expression globalized
the interface, which explicitly means and I don't want to
hear anyone deny this, it means kill Jews wherever and
whenever you can find them. That's what that expression means.
And the fact that this man is on the verge
of becoming the mayor of the second largest Jewish city

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in the world is very frightening. And I'm actually really
disappointed that more Democrats have either, you know, are not
coming out and condemning him and saying we're not going
to endorse in the guy sitting there, because he is
beyond the pale. And I feel like I was ten
years ago when I was writing all these critical things about.

Speaker 8 (06:56):
Republicans who were not saying.

Speaker 10 (06:58):
Anything about Trump and letting Trump go on and on,
and they weren't standing up to him. And I feel
with this guy, we're seeing the same sort of cowardice
and spinousness.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, I don't think I could have put it better myself.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
And that's the great irony here.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Well, I don't know that it's ironic per se, but
you have Jason Crowe, a congressman and a very influential congressman.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Remember during the what.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
I think it was the second Trump impeachment, he was
one of the floor managers or whatnot, whatever you call him,
and he went over to the Senate and handed the
papers over there and so forth. I mean, this is
a guy who is not small potatoes in Congress. He's
a very influential member of the House, and he was
silent there.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
He didn't have a word. He didn't peep up.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
He weaseled his way out of it and dodged it.
And I have to hear this just one more time.

Speaker 9 (07:55):
There's some look, you know, contrived villain or boogeyman. And
if it wasn't this.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
Going to be the mayor of New York.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Its just stunning.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
I mean, unfortunately, I can't say that it's at all surprising,
because it isn't at all surprising. It is the reality
of how so many are on the left right now.
And we see this similarly with a refusal from many
on the right to criticize Trump. You know, you will

(08:25):
hear some criticism for me this afternoon of the president,
who again I voted for all three times in the
general election each time and I'm glad he's in office.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
But I will also call balls and strikes.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
And you have to do that and vocalize those criticisms.
You might be a little bit intimidated, but it's essential
to do Otherwise. First of all, you're not being true
to yourself. Second of all, you're just carrying water for
somebody else. You're not doing your job as a representative
representing your district. For example, you're simply representing in this

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case the interests of zoron mam Donni, a full throated
communist and an anti Semike who could well become the
next mayor of New York City. What is going on
with Jason Crow where he's just so intimidated, so afraid

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of speaking any word of criticism in a case like this,
it is just astonishing. It's not surprising. It is not surprising.
It is just astonishing. Five sixty sixty nine zero is
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(09:48):
to join into the conversation texts coming in? Are you
surprised about mum Donni? He is the yin to Trump's yang.
Trump is the king in Mumdanni is socialist. We're just
going further to the extremes instead of coming together in
the middle.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
I think Trump is much more of a mixed bag.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
I would not say he's the polar opposite of mum Donnie,
but he is a very polarizing figure, I will say that.
And there are issues where he will not tolerate.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
The sin the Trump administration.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
You want to get a job in the Trump administration,
you have to essentially profess or at least in the
White House working for Trump directly, you have to profess
that you believe the election was stolen in twenty twenty.
Still we're on this five years later. You don't believe it, Well,
he probably didn't get the job, which is absurd, It

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is patently false.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
But then to use that as a litmus test for.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Jobs, That's where I think you have some real issues
with regards to Trump.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
For sure, without a doubt.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
But Mamdani, I mean, he's he's really beyond the pale.
He is way out of touch at least Trump, I mean,
Trump is the president of the United States. He won
the popular vote. He clearly does have appeal. And you
look at the polling data too. The Democrats are absolutely tanking.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Over on CNN, Harry.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Enton is the polling eye that goes up to the
board and shows you the data, walks through things, and
here's what he says about the Democrats who are potentially
running for president of the United States in the forthcoming
Democrat primary.

Speaker 12 (11:50):
Davin Newsom is the favorite of twenty percent according to
the backup running markets do not sleep on a Costio
Cortes aoc right up there at fifteen percent U to
Judge nine, Shapiro six Harris all the way down at
Sex basically in a tie for fourth place at this
particular point. So if you have any ideas that Kamala
Harris is passing up a potential gubernatorial run in for
twenty twenty six in California and perhaps would be trading

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up for a presidential bid, the betting markets at this point, simply.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Put, do not buy it.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
And here's something else that end To pointed out. He said, Normally,
at this point in time, at least there's somebody who's,
you know, front runner. Yeah, you're years out, but that
has more than a quarter of the vote, more than
twenty five percent.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
In the bag at least at this point.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
And not even Newsom at twenty percent has that nobody
is a clear leader. And that ties in with the
next thing that Endon pointed out, and that I think
underscores why Trump is still faring relatively well in the
polls and why he was elected to a second term
as the Democrats brand is garbage.

Speaker 12 (12:57):
One of the reasons why there is no front and
nobody wants to put anybody up at the top of
their ballot list is because at this particular point, the
Democratic brand is in the basement it is total and
complete garbage in the mind of the American public. The
Democratic parties net fabru rating record lows in all three
Wall Street Journal thirty points underwater, CNA in twenty six
points underwater, Gallup twenty six points underwater. And that is

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being driven in large pop by discontent within the Democratic base.
The Democratic base wants something different, will ultimately end up
seeing who they choose. It will be quite the thing
who ultimately gets the roast.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yes, but the key phrase there the Democrats brand is
quote total and complete garbage.

Speaker 13 (13:39):
Now.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
That is one reason why Trump and Republicans are faring
better right now is because people are not satisfied enough
with the Democrats to say, you know what, We're gonna
look at you. They're like, we were fed up with you,
we tossed you guys out. We're at least giving the
Republicans a chance right now. And that's where I don't
think that the comparison between Mamdani and Trump is valid,

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both because mom Donnie has views that are completely out
of step. I mean, he wants to socialize grocery stores.
He wants to take all kinds of radical positions on
things that have never happened. Whereas for Trump, we can
have some strong disagreements. I vehemently disagree with his trade
policy and particularly him really stepping up into that role

(14:24):
of okay a kingly roll and going beyond the bounds
of the presidency on tariffs and trade. And we can
have other disagreements. I mean, I've had some concerns about Russia.
There are some domestic policy issues. I don't think we'll
talk about it. I don't think the firing of the
Bureau of Labor Statistics head was wise or the right

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thing to do.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I don't think it looks good at all, and it.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Seems like there's a at least gives the impression to
fudge numbers like there are plenty of things, but when
it comes to most of the issues that Trump stands for,
you have a large swath of Americans who consistently believed
in many of these positions, which is one of the
reasons why he was able to remake the Republican Party
because a lot of those positions were baked in. That's

(15:14):
not the case with Mamdani. We found the Cold War
and defeated Communism. I don't see we're getting back into
that text coming in koa common Spirit health text line
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Speaker 4 (15:31):
Six nine zero.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Don't you find that admission to get a job in
the White House, which is I think you're talking about
the requirement to affirm the election was stolen from Trump
to twenty twenty is a prime example of authoritarianism.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
That doesn't bother you. All bothers me.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
I don't think that has anything to do with authoritarianism.
I mean, presidents have had all kinds of different crimea
for who they're going to accept into their offices. Is
this a bogus criteria? Yeah, sure, exactly. It's why it
bothers me. That's why I brought it up. That doesn't
mean that it's authoritarian.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
I just don't. I think that word is thrown out
way way.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
Too much about Donald Trump, and there just is an
actual tangible.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Support for that.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
Where are all the Democrats criticizing him getting arrested, Like,
where are the Republicans that are chastising him on Epstein
getting arrested?

Speaker 14 (16:35):
Like?

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, you say I'm being flippant about that, but I'm not.
If you're throwing out the A word authoritarianism, then you
have to have real, substantial demonstration that that is the case,
and I just don't see it at all. I think
it doesn't fit to the extent that he's acting like

(16:58):
a king well us what he's just building on the legacy,
and we'll talk about this coming up, the legacy of
past presidents who've consistently expanded presidential power time and time
and time again. And that's particularly because Congress lets them

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do it. And only now when you have Trump, the
polarizing figure, doing it and pushing the envelope.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
A little bit further in a shorter.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Span of time, are people suddenly going, oh, my gosh,
look at the kingly presidency. Do we have a monarch?

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Folks.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
I hate to break it to you, but we've been
increasingly going in the direction of monarchy for decades.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
And the all knowing, all powerful federal.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Government is just the big example of it, with any
president being the figurehead. I'm to be saying in Burger
filling in for Mandy Connell, I think I'm warmed up.
Keep the text coming, let's keep the conversation going as
we continue on the other side on KOA. Now, as
for born under a bad sign, if it wasn't for

(18:13):
bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all, well,
maybe that's if you criticize President Trump and you're in
his administration. Some are texting in on the KOA Common
Spirit Health text line five sixty six nine zero, insisting, Jimmy,
this is authoritarianism.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
It's authoritarianism. I'm not. I just it's not. Is it outrageous? Yeah?
Is it nonsensical? Sure?

Speaker 5 (18:38):
But authoritarian Come on, It's not like presidents haven't thought
out toties in positions of all kinds, including those in
positions of overseeing data. Trump is just a little more
open about it. Here's what he said over the weekend

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after firing the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Erica.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Mcentifer her and had interest with these numbers, how he.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Got the numbers for a long time.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
But today's we're doing so well.

Speaker 13 (19:18):
I believe the numbers were phony, just like they were
before the election and there were other times.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
So you know what I did, I.

Speaker 13 (19:24):
Fired her, and you know what, I did the right thing.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Now.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
That is Trump's view as he's saying it, but it
is notable that it's a different tune when he doesn't
like the report than when he loved the reports.

Speaker 14 (19:38):
The numbers were much better, as you know, than projected
by the media.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
In three months, we have created three hundred and fifty
thousand jobs. Think of that, a lot of jobs and
we created That's what happened this morning. So the numbers
are great.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Trump loves it, loves the guy or gall in charge
of the position, and and that changes when the numbers
aren't so great, Well, why aren't they so great?

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Is it politics?

Speaker 5 (20:07):
While I think he just wants to pin it on
politics for the moment, but it's not. Alyssa Finley. Elisia Finley,
writing in The Wall Street Journal, points out that the
July jobs reports showed that hiring stalled this spring. They
had revisions upward or downward. Revisions in the job numbers

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IMiD his tariff blitz and deportation crackdown. Shooting the messenger
won't help him or the economy, she writes, explaining that
the BLS Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates a mere seventy
three thousand jobs were added last month, almost all in
healthcare and social assistance. It also revised down gains for

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May and June by a combined two hundred and fifty
eight thousand to a total of thirty three thousand new jobs,
one of the biggest onward revisions in years.

Speaker 7 (21:04):
Now.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Of course, we just heard the President say, hey, I
think that these numbers were rigged to make me and.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
The Republicans look bad.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
But the BLS Commissioner has, in fact, as Alicia Finley
points out, traditionally been a nonpartisan post. Last year eighty
six to eight approval in the United States Senate, no
evidence provided by President Trump, no evidence when pressed on CBS,
or rather Meet.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
The Press yesterday.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
That there is evidence supporting the idea that the job's
numbers were faked or misleading. On the contrary, as Fendly rights,
the truth is that the job's numbers have become more
volatile in recent years because of declining business survey response rates.

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It's similar to the problem political pull face getting representative samples,
and mister Trump's trade and immigration policies may be making
monthly data less reliable. It helps to understand how the
BLS produces this monthly jobs report.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
The bureau surveys some six.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Hundred and thirty one thousand workplaces by a variety of media,
including phone, web and even facts.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
They still use that.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Many businesses don't respond every month, but the BLS continues
to collect data and revise its findings over the next
two months, so the response rates are not good. Trump's
former BLS commissioner during his first term, William Beach, explained,
I think it was on CNN how this system really works.

Speaker 15 (22:44):
There's no way for that to happen. The commissioner doesn't
do anything to collect the numbers, and the commissioner doesn't
see the numbers for until Wednesday before they're published. By
the time the commissioner sees the numbers, they're all prepared,
they're locked into the computer system. The only thing the
commissioner does on Wednesday is to kind of do the
edits on the text. So there's no hands on at

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all for the commissioner. I was commissioner, and I was
sometimes locked out of the process of actually spent where
the people were working in the building.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
So that is Trump's former Bureau of Labor Statistics commissioner saying, no,
there's a fat chance, there's no way that the commissioner
could manipulate the data personally like that, And then he
highlighted I found this an interesting contrast to the point
about less responsiveness that in many ways, he argued the

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data that they collect is even better.

Speaker 15 (23:37):
The studies show that BLS is getting a doing a
better job now than they did twenty years ago and
thirty years years ago in estimating the first number. So
even those revised two more times, that seventy three thousand
will be revised two more times, and that's they're more accurate.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Now than they were thirty years ago.

Speaker 15 (23:59):
So I said, great analysts, I don't know there's any grounds.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
At all for this far, and quite frankly, I agree
there is no basis for it, and I think it's
a mistake for President Trump to go this route.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Now.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Kevin has it, who I think is the head of
the National Economic Advisory Council. He was on CNBC just
this morning and he kind of finessed the discussion points
his talking points on what the data actually show and
how good or bad really is.

Speaker 16 (24:36):
Yeah, I think the jobs numbers were slower than we expected.
I think that, like one of the explanations for revisions
is they have more complete data, and so I think
it is likely the revisions are a better read of
the data if the data are not being manipulated.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Did you listen to that? I think we have something effective.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
I think we have a better read on the data
if the data aren't being manipulated.

Speaker 16 (25:02):
Continued, Yeah, I think the jobs, yeah, I would say
that it's a little bit weaker, but don't forget. This
is before the big beautiful Bill is really kicking in,
and so with our eyes on the horizon, we're highly
optimistic about the future of this economy. We've got the
big beautiful Bill, We've got expense to get factories, got
no taxes on tips, We've got incomes going up ten

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thousand dollars for a typical family, and we've got all
of that happening while the budget deficits declining rapidly because
of the teriff revenue. So there are a lot of
really good reasons to be super optimistic about the second half.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
Of the year.

Speaker 16 (25:34):
But absolutely that job's number, if the revision turns out
to be true, does suggest that there's less momentum than
we thought. And you know, you could say that the
centers at the FED saw this coming. They specifically mentioned
that there were signs of labor market weakening. They were pointing,
I think to the ADP release as much as anything.
And so wait is say, yeah, I think that the

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pressure on the fed to get its policy in order
is going to be higher because of this.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Kevin Hassett over the weekend was trying to defend the firing,
but at the same time he's also saying like that
the day basically saying the data could actually be good.
And this is something that people of the federal are saying,
is that the job market was slowing down and so
it did so forth. I just I think he's being

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more honest there, but gosh, it's not going over well.
Pick up the conversation on the other side, What are
your thoughts? Five sixty sixty nine zero kaa commic spirit
health text line. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for Mandy
Connell right here on KAWA. Look, we're talking about the
jobs numbers and we're kind of going to get continue
on economic data in the next segment with John Tamney,

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editor of Real Clear Markets. Brilliant, fascinating takes always he's
a prolific author, fantastic guest, and we're going to talk
about why GDP is a BS number.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
I wish I coul say the word, but this is radio.
I can't. It is it is.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
It's a BS number and the positive GDP growth that
we're seeing, unfortunately as a charade, and it's because of
how economists calculated the emphasis on government and on exports
over imports. We'll talk about that. Get your reaction as well.

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But look, the firing of the head of the Bureau
of Labor Statistics get a lot of folks amped up.
And you know, I have to in fairness, I have
to read this text that came in five sixty six
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So it's completely impossible to change the process or admit

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upfront that the numbers are bogus. The commissioner can't implement
some more viable option or be honest about the numbers
being given out.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
I don't buy it. She needs to be fired.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
Well, here's the thing, fair enough, I get what you're saying,
but there is no actual evidence that the numbers are bogus.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
There are completely.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Rational economic explanations for why you would have more of
a downward correction of the numbers.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
This past spring. Is things are starting to hit more
with the tariffs and so forth.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
I mean, we can have our heads in the sand
and act like tariffs aren't having a negative impact, but
that doesn't mean.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
That that's the case in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Now, does the process need to be changed, Probably, there
absolutely need to be fixes. I would think when the
returns on the data is we were talking about aren't sufficient,
they're not getting enough response from businesses, well that's a problem.
But that doesn't mean that the numbers themselves are remarkably

(29:01):
bogus or because of BLS. I mean it is government
that we're talking about. I trust the ADP numbers far
more and always have trusted ADP numbers far more than
the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Well, what BLS at least
does is provide some sort of a guidepost for where
the job's market is going, to the point where even

(29:24):
Kevin Hassett, one of the top economic advisors to President Trump, is.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Basically admitting, you know, actually these numbers.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Might be fairly accurate, and if so, well we do
have a little bit of a slowdown in the job market.
I think we make a mistake in putting too much
stock in these numbers to begin with, which is how
a firing like this can get people going, oh great, yay,
she was manipulating data, So we're getting rid of her.
Who Good job President Trump or good job Biden or whoever.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
For getting rid of that person.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
But I think that shows we are putting too much
faith government data. We'll talk about that more with John
Tamney on the other side of gross domestic product and more.
There's lots more coming up as we continue. The News
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if I were to tell you that gross domestic product,
this measurement of economic growth of GDP is pretty much

(31:18):
a worthless calculation. What if I were to tell you
that this three percent number we got for the second
quarter eyah. The first quarter negative zero point five percent
GDP growth is also eh. To put it mildly, well,

(31:39):
my first guest today has four years as I have
as well argue that, yes, GDP is a deeply flawed,
worthless calculation. He's written about this just in the last
couple of days for Real Clear Markets, where he is
the editor. He's also president of the Parkview Institute and

(32:01):
author of so many books, including Coming Up, The Deficit Delusion,
Why Everything Left Right? And Supply Side, What Everything to
tell you about the National debt is wrong. John Tamney
is our guest, and he joins me now. John, good afternoon,
Welcome back to KOA.

Speaker 17 (32:22):
Hey Jimmy, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
So I read the first part of your column and
I'm like, yes, I never disappoints.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
I always I was looking for this, said.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Okay, John has to have written about the flawed number
of GDP when we got this three percentage point increase
last week. Let me just ask you a big picture,
why is GDP a worthless calculation?

Speaker 17 (32:48):
Because it has nothing to do with economic growth. Let's
think about what increases GDP. Government spending, which is double
counting on a level that make the most crooked account
and blush. Governments can only spend in so far as
they have access to the production of the private sector.
So to say that government spending increases economic growth is

(33:12):
to pretend, again, is to double count. Looking at imports.
What could be more bullish as an economic signal than imports.
That's a sign that you're producing. You can only import
in so far as you're exporting. But imports actually bring
down a GDP. Let's just think about what it takes

(33:33):
for an economy to move or what we do. What
if we paid people all the time to dig holes
and then refill the holes. In a GDP sense, that
would cause growth to go up, But as any rational
being would know that, it would be at the cost
of enormous amounts of productivity, as we pay people to
do something that was unnecessary. And that's what GDP is.

(33:56):
It's a number that only an economist could love. It's
a monument to things that has nothing to do with
economic growth, even though economists use it to measure economic growth.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Here's the equation for GDP, as you are alluding to,
John Tammany, consumer spending plus private investment plus government spending
plus exports minus imports. And that's in the parentheses you
do that calculation, which means when you as you said,
import less, that is a measure that can help boost

(34:25):
economic growth at least on paper for the GDP equation.
Same thing with government spending on paper. So in this situation,
what are a couple of the red flags that you
noticed from the report last week that made you go, okay, yeah,
how can we actually trust that this number shows real
economic growth when it has this and this?

Speaker 17 (34:47):
Well, when you look back to the number from three
months ago when GDP declined a zero point zero three
percent or whatever it was, what was that, Well, there's
been a huge surge of import ahead of the calculation.
And why was there this huge surge, Well, that was
just economic actors in the US trying to get ahead

(35:08):
of the Trump tariffs. And so you could tell from
that that import surge that it had nothing to do
with this decline in the economy. It's just you know,
basically government distortions. And so I wrote at the time,
I said, well watch out, now that there's been a
pause in the tariffs, there won't be this urgency to
bring just front load as many imports as possible, And

(35:30):
so I said, you're going to see the number go
back up again. This was no insight. This what didn't
make me smart, It just I know what a worthless
number it is. And so predictably, this time around, with
a pause and tariffs, the urgency wasn't as great, and
so as imports declined, which would never be a pollish
number on its face, that actually drove up GDP.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
John Tamney.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
We surely have listeners who are scratching their heads going.
But I'm thinking I've been hoping that we would have
more exports and that we wouldn't have many imports because
we need to boost American manufacturing and manufacturing jobs and
bring in less from other countries.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
We should be making it more here.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
So how is it not more economically advantageous for us
to be doing more exports than imports?

Speaker 17 (36:18):
Well As, what I always say is that if you're
exporting your importing, I mean, what other reason is there
to export then to get things that you don't have.
And so when you think about imports, why do the
reason they don't hurt us is imports are just a
sign of work being divided. What happens when you divide
up work with people. You're just more productive is you

(36:38):
get to do the work that's most associated with your
skills and intelligence. And to imports are the bullets thing
that means that others are doing for use, you can
do what you do best. And I'll just add another
thing about this. Why do we normally have a quote
trade deficit as and why do we import more than
we export? Well, a major drive of that is that

(37:00):
the whole world wants to buy shares in US companies.
One of our biggest exports is shares in the world's
greatest companies. Think Nvidia, think app Will, think Google, think Facebook,
you know, to go down the list. Well, when we
export those shares, that doesn't count in the quote trade balance.
But when we import shoes, socks, and t shirts and

(37:22):
TVs from around the world, that does count. And so
the deficit is just a sign that the whole world
loves to put their savings in the United States. And
so the very BULLUS signal what comes down GDP.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
That's really the key to it all is for on
the one hand, when you were at a point in
an economy and you wrote a book called the End
of work. Which is so much about this that you
have a point in your economy where you're not reliant
upon manufacturing jobs. Instead, you have the opportunity to do
other kinds of work. They may be service industry, they

(37:55):
may involve more writing, they may involve certain technical skills
or what have you. But it's a different kind of work.
And that's actually a sign of advancement, which by definition
requires you to import more from other countries because you
have fewer people that are in the business of manufacturing
and instead they're doing other kinds of jobs.

Speaker 17 (38:14):
Yeah, that's and I'm not knocking manufacturing. Bebeanble should do
what they can, what elevates them the most, what pays
them the most. Let's never forget. Certainly, some of the
older listeners remember this well. So much of culture in
the past was about people trying to escape towns in
the manufacturing jobs and jobs and mills and things like that.

(38:35):
They didn't want them, they wanted better work, and so
the theme of the movie was invariably I'm doing everything
I can't I can to get out of this town
to do something better for myself. And so that's not
the knock manufacturing jobs. But Americans historically haven't liked them,
and so the disappearance of them doesn't put them out
of work. If that were true, then New York City
and Los Angeles remonuments to economic desperation. They were the

(38:59):
biggest manufat in cities one hundred years ago. They aren't now.
That's why they're so prosperous. Those jobs left. But when
jobs leave, that doesn't put you into breadlines. It just
frees you up to do better things. In the eighteen hundred,
ninety seven percent of Americans worked on the farm. Were
they better off them? They all had jobs, and they
worked all the time, six days a week, gone to dusk,

(39:22):
just to try to maybe survive. Thank goodness, they're not
working in farm anymore. And they're not because tractors and
fertilizers and other things that quote took jobs, freed them
to do other things. That's not going to change. We're
seeing this right now with AI. It's going to destroy
all sorts of jobs. But that's not going to make
Americans desperate. It's going to free many more people to

(39:45):
do the kind of work that they love. Look at
what you and I are doing right now. We're talking
about something about which we're passionate and it puts food
on the table. The future is that more and more
people will get to do something that they just can't
get a enough of, that they can't not do, and
that's beautiful.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
It's such a profound point because you think as well
about all the YouTubers that have grown, the different content
creators on TikTok or any number of platforms that are
making money from doing that, and it seems to be
a breakneck speed that it's more and more. And that's
because the opportunity is there to create things with new
media as well as traditional media like here on radio

(40:26):
or in print or what have you. And that really,
I think does say a lot. Again, we're talking with
John Tamney, editor of Real Clear Markets and columnists at Forbes,
for example, where we're going to get to something you
wrote about. I want to cover a couple more things
real quickly, John Tamney, we were just talking about, in
essence to the flaws of gross Domestic product and the

(40:48):
GDP calculation, as well as the trade deficit notion, how
about the numbers and jobs data that come from the
Bureau of Labors to tanks. Given the controversy about the
firing by President Trump a few days ago of the
Commissioner of the BLS saying, Okay, this data is rigged.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
How do you look at that.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
Data and whether that at least gives some signal to
the private sector. I'm like, maybe some of the other
data points that we're talking about, and do you have
any problems with that firing?

Speaker 17 (41:22):
Well, I wish that Trump had fired the person for saying,
you know, we don't need this ADP. The payroll company
produces a payroll number every month that's surely far more
accurate than BLS who would know better ADP, which again
is handling payroll for companies around the country, or the

(41:43):
BLS about the employment situation. So I wish it would
have been for the right reasons. I feel like with
this it was Trump basically firing the scale or firing
the scoreboard, taking the scoreboard and just ripping it off
the out of the gym because it is revealing the
wrong score. As for the number itself, it was pointed

(42:04):
out with the last employment situation number that a lot
of the job growth had been governmental I think seventy
half of it, and of that a lot of it
was in schools and things like that. Well, you knew
that number wasn't going to stay up because in the summertime,
obviously schools, public schools employ fewer people. Let's throw in

(42:28):
the other obvious thing. Presently, we have immigration agents literally
ripping people out of jobs. I know, actually it's anecdotally,
but I've learned it from around the country from talking
to people. There are people here quote illegally, and I
know that's a bomb. That's a very fractious issue. Who

(42:48):
are afraid to go into work right now, and they're
afraid because they're because literally agents are showing up at
places of business and importing them. And so it was
abitable when so many people who produce in this country
are suddenly being rounded up, that that number was going
to go down. I mean, that's just you can't get

(43:10):
around that truth. What's the biggest driver of consumption in
all of Mexico. It's not tourism, it's not oil, it's
remittances from the United States. So when you factor in
will a lot of these people are suddenly illegal to
be here, that's going to have an impact on hiring.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Finally, John Tamney, you have a piece out yesterday in
Forbes entitled the Federal Reserve isn't what pundits wanted to
be and never was. Now we have all the chatter
about the FED, especially recently with President Trump wanting to
get rid of Jerome Powell as chairman and put somebody
else in his place. You have always been sort of

(43:51):
this out of the mindset that the FED really doesn't
do all that much, that it's overstated, so on and
so forth. I'll talk to us for a moment about
your view of things with regards to the Federal Reserve
and its actual impact on the economy.

Speaker 17 (44:08):
Well, you know, it's something that you know very well.
I know you know eyepencil and eyepencil is that thing
that were by Leonard read along time and go saying
look at this basic, this prosaic pencil. But it's actually
a remarkable miracle. It's it's a creation of enormous amounts
of global cooperation and that's just a pencil. Well, think
about an Apple iPhone that's created on six different continents

(44:30):
around the world. Boeing planes, it's something like six million
different parts manufactured around the world. Imagine a GM car.
I mean, just go down the list. And so the
FED is its mandate has always been quote price stability.
What on earth could the Fed have to do with
price stability? Prices are an effect of literally billions of

(44:53):
hands and machines around the world working together in enormously
sophisticated fashion. What the Fed asked to do with it?
And let's just throw in price stability wouldn't be desirable
even if the FED could achieve it. Prices are how
a market economy organizes itself. Prices going up and down

(45:13):
are a summons to produce more or less, to produce
in a new way. The FED is going to control
prices if they just fiddle. If they I mean we
right and left saying if the FED just fiddles with
interest rates, it can bring prices down. I mean, this
just does insults stupid. I'm known as the person who
says the Fed doesn't count for much. How does everyone

(45:36):
not know what is so obvious? If the FED controlled
the economy, there wouldn't be much of an economy to control.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
Then why is the conventional wisdom of a different view
John Tammany that looks at the FED and says, okay,
what they do is one of the most impactful things
on the economy, which is one of the reasons why
President Trump would look at JR. Own Palin and say, Hey,
if you don't do what I want on interest rates,
then I'm feeling bad and I want to get rid
of you.

Speaker 17 (46:01):
Well, that's a great question. I think for politicians, the
FED was created in so many ways just as a
way to take the attention off of them, they can
always blame the FED. I think with economists, you have
to factor in the fact that the Fed's the biggest
employer of economists in the world. Is it any wonder
then that economists would say that the FED, what the

(46:22):
FED does is of great importance. They need it to
continue existing. Let them. Let's leave out all the economists
that the FED employees not at the Federal Reserve, because
people are relying on what on them to analyze what
the Fed's doing. So I think there's a lot of
understandable self interest here. But I think we also doing
what we love, and you and I are living our

(46:43):
best lives. Get to do what we can't get enough of.
We've got to explain. Hey, guys, wait a second, if
the FED were this important, if it was this powerful
of the central planner, then there wouldn't be much of
an economy to plan because we would be in really
pathetic shape and we're not one of the most prosperous
nation on Earth.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
I would be remisivating.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
And ask one last thing, because earlier we were talking
about mom Donnie of running for mayor of New York City,
and of course he is is a communist and he wants,
you know, government run grocery stores and the litany of things.
Let me ask you, is capitalism good for the world.

Speaker 17 (47:24):
Oh, it's great for the world. And can I just
throw in something. I'm reminded of what an entrepreneur in
Houston said to me after Barack Obama was inaugurated in
two thousand and nine. It's small. What do you think
the future is? I mean, are we going to be?

Speaker 8 (47:36):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (47:37):
Is there you kidding me? I'm way too smart for
Obama and I was way too smart for George w.

Speaker 7 (47:42):
Wish.

Speaker 17 (47:43):
No matter what barriers they put in front of me,
I'm going to keep getting rich. And I think that's
the point. If you're a New Yorker, I don't care
if you're a socialist, communist, anarchist.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Whatever it is. You're different.

Speaker 17 (47:56):
You're the ultimate. You are ambitious, your ambitions are great
matter your ideology, Zora, Mom, Donnie is going to make
the greatest country in the world the center of the
global economy suddenly less. Oh please, they will eat him
for lunch and a heartbeat. I'm so sick of ours.
And I said, oh my gosh, he's gonna ruin New

(48:18):
York City. He couldn't ruin New York City on his
best day. The people there are way too talented to
be ruined.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
I had a feeling you'd say something like that. Job.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
John Tamney, author of so many bucks, including you got
to check out the end of work since I mentioned
it earlier, Editor of Real Clear Markets, so many other
roles as well.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Good to talk with you, my friend. Thanks for the
time as always, thanks for having me on. Thank you
sir once again, John Tammany joining us always.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Some interesting insights and absolutely right, quite honestly, the GDP
reports this year demonstrate how at the very least they
are as a metric for economic growth, if not outright,
as Tamney says, worthless, a worthless calculation when you count

(49:10):
government spending towards the determination of GDP. When you say
that having more imports than exports is a knock on GDP.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
That's as opposed to a benefit to GDP. It's just nonsense.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
And yet that's where we are, and it's the conventional wisdom,
and the conventional wisdom on economics always seems to rule,
except when it comes to trade policy, and the conventional
wisdom is actually right. And the Trump administration wants to
turn that on its head and then look at GDP
numbers that are all about the conventional wisdom to justify

(49:50):
their policy.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
I just I don't know.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
I'm a free market guy through and through, and the world.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Just boggles my mind sometimes.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
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(50:24):
that regard. Check it out tomorrow. So the one of
the things when we think about politics is the games
that both sides play.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
They're always playing.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
Both sides, or rather both sides are always playing games
than yes, they're playing each other. And one prime example
is the big hullabaloo over Republicans and redistricting happening in
Texas that they have the effort to win five or

(50:59):
six more more seats for Republicans through redistricting in between
the decade, as opposed to waiting until the end of
the decade and doing it over again. And you know,
I don't know if it's a good idea bad idea.
I just know that that's the games that people play
all the time, and quite honestly, it's probably in the

(51:22):
long run gonna work to the Republican's disadvantage because it
makes some of those red districts a little less red.
Just as more districts become red, and then as more
people move there, maybe some of them will become blue.
We'll see. But Democrats have been making this out to
be some kind of existential crisis for democracy, which is absurd,

(51:48):
but it is the argument. It is the talking point.
And New York Governor Kathy Hokeele yesterday over the weekend,
I don't know when she gave this little address was
all about we need to fight fire with fire.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
And says something rather interesting.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
This might be when I'm saying that this is legal,
we have issues with it, but.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
That doesn't mean we're not going to do it ourselves.

Speaker 11 (52:15):
But Texas and the Republican states are doing it the
direction of Donald Trump, I say, is nothing short of
a legal insurrection against our capital. Legal meaning they're using
the legal process, does not mean it's legal, and it
must be stopped. The Republicans are willing to rewrite these
rules to give themselves an advantage, then they're leaving us

(52:38):
no choice. We must do the same. There's a phrase,
you have to fight fire with.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Fire, insurrection us too.

Speaker 11 (52:47):
That is a true statement of how we're feeling right now.
And as I said, another overused but applicable phrase, all's
fair in love and war. That's why I'm exploring with
our leaders every option to redraw our state congressional lines
as soon as possible.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
The Republicans are engaging in legal insurrection against our capital,
so we Democrats need to engage in a legal insurrection
against our capital too.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
That's literally what she just said.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
That's the governor of New York State, my original home state,
by the way, but as far gone as the state
can be.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
And there she is saying, oh, my gosh, this is
a legal insurrection.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Ah, how terrible the Republicans to do this.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
So we got to do it too. That's the thing. Okay.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
First of all, it is a message to be sent
or a reminder to Republicans that you play with fire,
then you will set a precedent that can open the floodgates.
It's one of the reasons why I always argued and
havent you need to argue Republicans in charge republicans not

(54:02):
in charge of the Senate against getting rid of the filibuster.
I'm always advocating for keeping the filibuster. You get rid
of it, you open massive flood gets. We've already kind
of seen that with the courts, which worked well courts
for conservatives. I mean, look at the six to three
majority on the Supreme Court.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Fair enow.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
But you open it up to everyday legislation without a filibuster,
then you allow all kinds of things to be rammed
through government at breakneck speed.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
The filibuster stops, it thwarts it.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
So sometimes Republicans are in charge and they get the
feeling like we should get rid of the filibuster. But thankfully,
the better angels of their nature say, ah, not so fast.
Let's not do it, because when the Democrats are in
charge next, they're gonna want to do the same thing,
and we don't want that. We don't want them to
railroad things through legislatively, get it done quick. So Republicans

(55:02):
have been right to continue holding up the filibusters kind
of like that. In this case, you said a precedent
with redistricting mid stream as probably opening up the floodgates.
So Republicans are bringing that upon themselves a little bit.
But at the same time it is laughable. It is
ridiculous for Hogel in New York and Newsome in California,

(55:29):
which are two of the most gerrymandered states for Democrats
in the country. In fact, California, as I understand it
is even more jerrymandered than Texas is for Republicans. California
vastly more skewed in favor of Democrats. New York very
much rigged in favor of Democrats. And yet they are

(55:51):
still acting as though, oh my gosh, we need to
save democracy, save it now by doing the same thing
Republicans are doing that we say Republicans shouldn't be doing now. Actually,
you're probably grateful. You want Republicans to do it, so
they can give you an excuse to do it, But
nobody's buying your Oh, the end of democracy is nigh

(56:13):
argument about this, especially when you're literally in the same
forty seven seconds Governor Huckel, in the same forty seven seconds,
saying Republicans are doing this terrible thing. It's a legal
insurrection against their capital.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
We should be the same if they're going to do
it now.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
Texas Democrats have over the weekend jetted off, as the
Washington Examiner reports, to Chicago, in what is a coordinated
effort to delay the passage of the new congressional map
that favors the Republican Party for the twenty six mid
term elections. After state House committee advanced the new map

(56:55):
for consideration by the full House earlier this weekend, Democrats
were weighing the option of fleeing Texas in order to
break quorum, which requires that a certain number of members
must be present to vote in any legislation. On Sunday,
they did just that, with more than fifty one Democratic

(57:16):
lawmakers reportedly headed to the Windy City, where they will
hold a news conference. Well, they held it last night.
This is from yesterday with Governor JB. Pritzer, who it
previously suggests that he may launch a redistricting effort in Illinois.
You get redistricting, you get redistricting, you get redistricting every states.
Just to bark on this desk, especially the massive population states,

(57:41):
isn't it astonishing as well that Texas is one Republican
state that's doing this and then all the big Democrat
states say, well, they're doing it, so we need to
do it too.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
It's existential.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
And how much more population when you add up New
York and California and Illinois, you add them all up,
how much more does that give them in comparison to
one state? Yes, massive state, but one state of Texas.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
The whole thing is absurd.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
It's political games by Democrats acting like jerry mandering isn't
a bipartisant pastime for as long as.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
We can remember.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
Now it's more oriented towards politics than it used to
be towards race on a racial basis, and that's at
least officially barred. So I don't know, it's all laughable.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
It's all games.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Both sides play it, and the Democrats hair on fire
attitude is rather entertaining again.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
One minute, Ah, this is terrible Republicans are doing. Next minute,
we need to do it too.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
It's just you can't write this stuff, this comedy gold.
I'm Jimmy Sangenberger covering for Mandy Conno. We'll pick it
up on the other side. Lots more ahead as we
continue on Gayowa. Be sure to check on my website.
You can contact me twenty four to seven three sixty five,
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dot com. Keep in mind there's no AI or you
in Sangenberger. It's all ease, all the time. Once you
know that Sangenburger is easy. So the FCC, the Federal
Communication Commission, has just approved last week the sky Dance

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acquisition of Paramount CBS, an eight billion dollar purchase of
Paramount Global and its subsidiaries, granting a series of applications
that transfer FCC licenses and authorizations. Now there's a lot
of talk about politics that may or may not have
been in play and an objection objective to try and

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get fairness. There's claims that Stephen Colbert was fired, or
rather that his show is going away next year. Because
of sky Dance. Well, sky Dance saying insisting they were
not involved in CBS's decision to cancel Stephen Colbert's Late show.

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So I don't know all of what's going on behind
the scenes. But there was an interesting couple of questions
over the weekend by Howie Kurtz from Fox News of
the chairman of the FCC, Brendan Carr, asking about if
fair equals more favorable to President Trump.

Speaker 14 (01:00:47):
When you say you want fair covers, does that mean
covers that's more favorable to this president?

Speaker 13 (01:00:53):
Well, look, something has to change. And again that's not
just my perspective. You can look at everyone from Jeff
Bezos who took over the Washington Post and said that
they needed to reorient how they were running that operation.
Look at Urry Berlin or a former editor at NPR
who said that that institution brought this upon itself from
a lack of ideological diversity. What the FCC is charged

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with is making sure that broadcast media, not cable. So
cable's different that we don't license cable shows, whether it's
you know, CNN or Fox News. But if you're going
to around a broadcast media operation, the FCC and Congress
rankly has decided that you need to operate in a
public interest, and so I think that's one of the
things that we're pushing for, is how do we re
empower these broadcasters who actually serve the interests of their

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local communities. Because again, as you know, so much of
this now is driven by the national programmers, whether it's ABC,
CBS or NBC.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
I get that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Here's one of my concerns, the fairness doctrine. This seems
dangerously close to at least giving a door open for
the idea of the fairness doctrine that would cripple any
sort of a conservative talk radio. And that's the design,
that's the goal. You have the fairness doctrine of basically

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equal time, and it would dramatically mess with say something
like radio. Will you put that forward in the context
or way that Brandon Carr is talking about, I don't
think it flies. And he said one other thing about
the legacy business model.

Speaker 13 (01:02:21):
Yeah, it's certainly very very challenged, and again I do
think that something has to change. The idea of just
running a partisan in Carnival doesn't seem to be a
good business model anymore. Again, once you go back to
President Trump deciding that. You know, he's probably the first
politician that said these legacy media operations aren't going to
dictate the narrative to me, I'm going to speak the truth.
And that has fundamentally undermined the business model because once

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you're no longer the gatekeeper or this oracle that everybody
has to trust, there's a lot more choice out there
from streaming platforms and otherwise. So yeah, I do think
these business models are going to have to course correct.
I think there's a yearning right now across the country
for you know, unbiased, fact based journalism, and we affect
the broadcasters to move in that direction.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
I absolutely agree with the sentiment there, But this idea
of the chair of the FCC saying we expect the
broadcasters to move in that direction. On the one hand,
it could be well, we kind of think that they're
gonna do it, like that's the trend, But when it's
coming from the chair of the FCC, it almost sounds
like we expect.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
You to do this, and you better do it look
right or left. I really feel uneasy when that happens.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
It is not the job of the all knowing, all
powerful federal government to step in and say we are
going to ensure fairness or we're going to ensure the
direction of legacy media and what happens to you let
market forces do the work and guess what they are
doing the work. And that does include candidates deciding whether
or not they're going to play ball when the running campaigns,

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just as President Trump did in the way he did.
And that's part that is a okay. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger
here from Connell. Another hour up ahead. State Senator Mark
Baisley is a Republican candidate for a governor and, like
me at a birthday this past Saturday, August second, will

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join me live in studio.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
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Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Jimmy Sangenberger here with you for Mandy Connall, who earlier
had asked me to share the message, and I will
share it once again to let you know that her
surgery went well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
She told me I am doing great.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Big thanks for all the prayers and well wishes, and
I will be back and ready to go next Monday.
And in fact, you've got me here today and tomorrow,
and Mandy, we are very glad to know all went
well and wish you best end speedy recovery. You know,
I'm just talking with Grant Smith behind the glass, always

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doing a great job when he's doing that role Yeoman's work,
about how funny it is sometimes when you get, oh
my gosh, you never say anything nice about Democrats here,
this here, that, oh my gosh, you're terribly right wing,
And then I wonder I think I was at least
a little bit critical of President Trump for I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Know, like an hour and a half of the show.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
You know, when I fill in, I call balls as strikes,
and I will be pro Trump on something anti Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
I mean, I just call it as they say it, Ture.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
I voted for the guy, but that doesn't mean I'm
married to the presidency and that everything is gonna be
hunky dory.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
And I'm gonna be on his side because I ain't
doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
But I'll also criticize Democrats. I've been doing both on
this show so far. And let's talk about Denver Public Schools.
How about I criticize them, we bring it local into Denver, Colorado, because, folks,
their immigration game.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Has been exposed yet again.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
And I wrote about this in my Friday column for
the Denver Gazade entitled DPS's immigration game exposed again. You
might recall, and I've talked about this here on the
station since February when Denver Public Schools tried to block
the Trump administration's policy on enforcing immigration laws near schools,

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and they got klaw in court. Yet the district skill
declared victory somehow, literally putting out a press release when
they dismissed the case saying, oh, this information wasn't known
before and we got it released.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Therefore we have victory, not sense.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
On Monday of last week, one week ago today, the
Denver Gazette exposed even more of their claims as bogus.
The DPS's assertions were built on inflated data and false pretexts,
and those inflated data and false pretexts were all about
justifying a lawsuit that quite frankly never should have been

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filed in the first place.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
So here's basically what happened.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
February came around Denver Public schools sued to block a
revised Trump administration policy on enforcement at or near schools.
They said that raids that happened at the Cedar Run
apartments at Denver immigration raids from ice On, which was
close to district.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Schools, proved proof positive.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
That schools were no longer protected areas under Trump, and
so they sued for a nationwide injunction. And in that lawsuit,
Superintendent Alex morero And sworn AFFIDAVITSY and other district administrators
claimed that attendance dropped due to widespread fears that immigration
rates might target schools. They claimed quote noticeable declines without

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offering a shred of proof. They insisted there were threats
to stability and district finances because lower attendance jeopardizes funding
that's tied to enrollment. Now, of course, enrollment, the number
of kids enrolled in a school district, is different from
day to day attendance.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
They're not the same. And never mind the fact.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
That the reason that parents are fleeing with their kids
fleeing Denver Public schools is because of academic failures and
school safety concerns. It's not about immigration enforcement. That's what's
driving parents. Wait, never mind that Marrero claimed quote not
only were people fearful following the raids, but they also

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did not have any guaranteed that the next raid would
not be at.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
The school, except that was false.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
DPS Denver Public Schools couldn't even explain to the judge
in the case, Judge Daniel Domenica, Federal judge, whether that
cedar run raid on that apartment complex would have violated
the earlier Biden guidance, and in fact the judge basically concluded, no,
it wouldn't have.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
So their legal basis wasn't there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
And the judge said, no way am I going to
issue a nationwide injunction for something like this for the
whole country, let alone even just the school district. And
of course the Supreme Court would eventually, as we saw
what was it last month, would send a message to

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all the courts in the land saying nationwide injunctions aren't
permitted anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
You can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:18):
So Judge Domenico proved was proven prescient.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
He nailed it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
And in fact, what DPS was trying to do was
create de facto sanctuary zones using the court system. It
wasn't about actually protecting schools that were never at risk,
and in fact, there is not a school that DPS
can point to that has been rated or any other
example since Seed to Run, which doesn't even qualify, which

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wouldn't have been forbidden under the Biden regulation so or
Biden policy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
So what did the Denver Gazette expose last week?

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
Well, the district's claim that Trump's policy caught the attendance
to tumble was never at any point supported. January twenty first,
district attendance fell, but that was the day after Martin
Luther King Junior Weekend, a holiday weekend. Trump also was

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in office for only one day. So is mass ice
fear will cause that? Fear of ice doing a raid
on schools?

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Was that the cause of the drop? I don't think so.
Then on February third, there was a bigger.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
Attendance drop at schools with Morrispanic students eight point seven
percent drop for every ten percentage point boost in a
school's Hispanic population. But February third was the National Day
Without Immigrants protest, so students deliberately skipped school.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
Some attended a rally at the capitol.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Even DPS's spokesman admitted that the student absences were directly
tied to the protest, not a.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Fear of enforcement.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
And then another two days later, when the raids actually
happened at Cedar run apartments, attendance rebounded and for the
days that followed it was relatively steady.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
But that didn't stop.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
DPS from going to federal court and saying immigration enforcement
was well with scaring families away, when nevermind that it
was the district itself that was sending the message that
immigration enforcement.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Should be terrifying you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
We got your back this, and that they were spinning
the message DPS stoked anxiety by playing politics. They blamed
attendance declines on an enforcement mirage, a mirage that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
The district created.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Also they could make headlines from federal court. It gets
smacked down by the judge. Then the Denver Gazette comes
out with yeomens reporting demonstrating that attendance claims that the district.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Was mooing forward.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
We're greatly exaggerated from the get go, manipulation masquerading as
virtue DPS playing games. Once again, those games have been exposed.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
In this case. This lawsuit is bogus as.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Can be, and it's a shame, but then again it's
Denver Public Schools. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Mandy Connell.
Keep it here, don't go anywhere in Koa. Jimmy Sangenberger
again in for Mandy Connell. And look, I want to
take a moment since we've got a tight squeeze of
a segment here, before we bring on Mark Baisley, State

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Senator here in studio, I want to go back to
the start of the show. Jason Crowe, Congressman for the
sixth Congressional District.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Have you seen this yet?

Speaker 5 (01:13:50):
Bill Maher had him on the show on Friday, and
Myers said, we've never had someone this radical speaking about Zohrn.
Mom Donnie, Mom Donnie of course, the communist anti semi
running for mayor of New York City.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
He just might become the mayor of New York City.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
And uh, Bill Meyer put Jason Crowe's got to go,
by the way, on the spot.

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
You're going to have to answer everything like this.

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
They're going to ask every single Democratic politicians.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
That's never, that's never.

Speaker 9 (01:14:28):
I mean, there's always a villain. There's already people. They
always try to create a villain.

Speaker 8 (01:14:32):
It's my point. Always try to create some boogeyman or
Bill boogie Will.

Speaker 9 (01:14:35):
If it wasn't this one, it was going to be
somebody else.

Speaker 7 (01:14:37):
I'm creating anything.

Speaker 8 (01:14:38):
I mean, I'm not defending the policies.

Speaker 9 (01:14:40):
There are plenty of things that I disagree with there
and that I that that I don't come down on.
But but the point being, we see this every cycle.
I've now been doing this long enough to know that
every single cycle there's some you know, contrived villain or boogeyman.

Speaker 8 (01:14:53):
And if it wasn't this.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Going to be the mayor of you want to go
Bill Maher, it's not good drive. He's got to be
the mayor of New York.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
And there's Jason Crowe dodging the question like the weasel
for honestly, the Weasley is I just I don't I
don't think he's a good congressman, and I don't think
he's a real honest broker, and I think this shows
exactly that. And this is a guy we're talking about

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in Mom Donnie, who's all about globalized the Intifada extraordinary.
And so the columnists, I can't play the clip. We
got to go to break. But columnist named James Kirchik
was also on with mar and he was like, look,
this is a guy who's saying globalize the Intefada Democrats

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aren't calling him out for that, And right there is
the Democrat for the House of Representatives from Colorado refusing
to call him out for that or anything. It's just
you can't make this stuff up. It is astonishing. Jimmy
and Formany on the other side, Mark Baisley in studio,
two guys with an August second birthday. Yeah, our birthdays

(01:16:09):
were just on Saturday. Let's have some fun. On the
other side, as we continue on KOA, the Jimmy Junior
Blues Band is playing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
We're out there doing gigs.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
For example, we'll be back at Genesee Pub and Barbecue
the weekend of Labor Day weekend where they have a
fantastic blues festival, and on Labor Day we'll be playing
from three to six.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
This is a great place.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
We just did a gig there last weekend, so come
on and check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Now. Why did I play Birthday, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
Because I have an annual tradition going back many many
years now of bringing in my good friend going back
a long ways as well. Who is the state senator
is also running for governor. But his real claim to
fame is that, like me, he has an August second birthday,
And so for a long time we've had a tradition
on the air whenever possible, honor around our birthday of

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having him on. And I'm very pleased that he's joining
me in studio, which I don't know, I can't remember
the last time we've done it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Mark Baisley, welcome, Thank you, Jimmy.

Speaker 14 (01:17:13):
And that is my claim to fame, that I share
a birthday with Jimmy Singenberger.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
All easeying Berger, You know it is awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
We also radio host Dennis Prager has August second, that's right, And.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
We have a vice president of the United States whose
birthday is August second.

Speaker 14 (01:17:28):
We have invited a new member to our club, vice President.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Isn't it pretty cool to share a birthday with the
vice vice president and Jimmy Sangenberger.

Speaker 14 (01:17:39):
Yes, well that vice president in particular, or not just
any vice president.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Yes, a really good one. Yes it is.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
It is much much better than sharing it with Kamala Harris.
My gotta say, so, how do you do it? Did
you have a good birthday weekend?

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
I did.

Speaker 14 (01:17:54):
I did, celebrated with with my kids and uh and
one grand kid.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
But yeah, I'm sorry, no four grand.

Speaker 18 (01:18:04):
You forgot about half of the three, which I don't know,
the one who's so young that she looks like my grandkid,
and the others are so old that they Yeah, but yeah,
it was a wonderful birthday, got some way cool gifts,
and uh celebrated with family.

Speaker 5 (01:18:21):
You were running for governor, you are elected the state Senate,
You've been elected to the state House. You've also served
as and been elected as vice chair of the Colorado
Republican Party years back. I never intend on following any
of those paths.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
But I am eligible to run for president now.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
Congratulations, I'm finally old enough, which is funny because my
high school graduating class voted me, my senior superlative was
most likely to be voted president. No kidding, so I
could do it theoretically, but no, don't get your hopes out.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
All right? You know what that what else that means?

Speaker 14 (01:18:59):
And I hope this is a shock to you that
because I was actually wondering this, At what point, are
you exactly one.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Half white age? And that's now.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
I am you are? That is a very special birthday.
Then there you go, big day for both of those figure.
Now you have specifically dated yourself.

Speaker 14 (01:19:21):
For anybody who can do this, it's the simplest of arithmetics,
the simplest math.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Well, happy birthday.

Speaker 5 (01:19:27):
It is good to have you and to be able
to carry on the tradition right here on Koa no less. Yeah,
let's talk for a moment about the political dynamics we
have in Colorado, because this is a state that clearly
is from both our perspectives, dramatically far gone. We have
democrats in control of all levers of government and in

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a way where they don't feel any sort of check
they are pushing the envelope every legislative session. When you
look at how things are right now, big picture in Colorado,
especially since you're running for statewide office, how do you
assess the lay of the land.

Speaker 14 (01:20:06):
Well, I am hoping that there is just this constant
conscience in people's heads and hearts that the founders tapped
into and that they called the laws of nature, of
Nature's God. And so I never believe that we are
fighting a battle between our team and the other team,

(01:20:27):
you know, the Broncos versus the Raiders. That sort of thing.
It's not it's not a team thing. This is natural
law versus the unnatural. It's it's it's natural law versus
a rebellion against natural law, a rebellion against wisdom.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
And certainly communities.

Speaker 14 (01:20:45):
Cultures go through their cycles of rebellion and so on,
but they come back around because we're created beings and
we're all created by that same single creator, and I
think that it's in us. So after a while when
you dance around rebelliously and elect people to office like
we have for the past ten years, where we have

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a single party rule in Colorado, and the results speak
for themselves and they ain't pretty. And so I'm hoping
that the rest that the state catches up with the
rest of the country and says that was not a
good idea. It seemed like cool at the time, but
we're suffering now. And it's what we're watching in New

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York right with the cool idea of electing a socialist mayor,
and they'll probably do it, and then ten years later
they're going.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
To go, what did we do? That's what I'm oving.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
Since you mentioned mom Donnie in New York City, I
just played the clip again. I don't think you can
play it enough because I haven't heard much talk about it.
But here's Congressman Jason Crowe of the sixth Congressional District
on Friday with Bill Maher who said, Bill Maher said this,
we've never had someone this radical, and he asked Jason

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and Crow.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
And here's Crow's response.

Speaker 7 (01:22:01):
You're going to have to answer everything like this.

Speaker 6 (01:22:04):
They're going to ask every single Democratic politician.

Speaker 8 (01:22:08):
It's that's never I mean, there's always a villain.

Speaker 9 (01:22:11):
There's always people they would always try to create a villain.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
It's my point.

Speaker 9 (01:22:14):
Always try to create some boogieman or boo boogie wie.
If it wasn't this one, it was going to be
somebody else.

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
I'm not creating anything.

Speaker 8 (01:22:20):
I mean, I'm not defending the policies.

Speaker 9 (01:22:22):
There are plenty of things that I disagree with there
and that I that I.

Speaker 8 (01:22:25):
Don't come down on.

Speaker 9 (01:22:27):
But but the point being, we see this every cycle.
I've now been doing this long enough to know that
every single cycle there's some you know, contrived villain or boogeyman.

Speaker 8 (01:22:35):
And if it wasn't this is contrived going.

Speaker 7 (01:22:38):
To be the mayor of New York.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
That's a congressman. From Colorado the sixth Congressional District. Jason
Crowe live on National tell or taped I guess on
national television, and he's saying that Mandami Mom, Donnie is
a contrived villain.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
I've flabbergasted by that one. No kidding, I'll tell you why.
I take heart in.

Speaker 14 (01:23:00):
I'm Donnie would never be elected within the Republican Party.
He's he's invited into the Democrat Party. That is the
same party that has the KKK in their background slavery
and they defended slavery. We stood up our ancestors, stood
up the Republican Party. In response to that, they should
they should be ashamed. They should be they should cause

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them to look internally and go, who are we and
do we even align with American founding principles? And if not,
get on board. This is important stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
Along those lines. Let's go back to this legislative session.
I remembered, and I pulled up and Grant quickly in
no time, doing yeomen's work behind the glass like he
always does. Got it plugged in. You did something I
thought was pretty cool. You read for me on the
floor of the State Senate as there was radical legislation

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dealing with transgender issues and schools and more.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
And the implications dramatic.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
And I want to share a little bit from what
you've read, and let's talk about what's happening in K
through twelve schools because I know this is really near
and dear to your heart now.

Speaker 19 (01:24:08):
Denver Gazette investigative columnists Jimmy Sangenberger wrote a column recently
about House Bill twenty five thirteen twelve. He says in
his article, Let's be real, this isn't about gender identity
or discrimination.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
It's about whether government can.

Speaker 19 (01:24:27):
Force citizens, businesses or journalists to say things they don't believe.
So let's move into the bill itself and see where
that might occur.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
And shortly thereafter you read it a little bit more.

Speaker 19 (01:24:44):
Well, a part of Jimmy Sangenberger's.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Article is that word believe.

Speaker 19 (01:24:51):
It's about whether government can force citizens, businesses, are journalists
which he is a journalist, to say things that they
don't believe.

Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
Where are we at in our society right now when
this is legislation passing through the Colorado legislature.

Speaker 14 (01:25:07):
Well, just as you described earlier, with single party rule,
they get cocky, confident, and spoiled to the point where, hey,
let's go beyond the utilitarian features of government building infrastructure
like roads and bridges and so on. Let's start managing
the people. Let's manage their behavior. Let's get ourselves involved

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in their families, in their children's sexuality. What business does
any government have in getting between parents and their children's sexuality.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 14 (01:25:41):
So this is where they've gone. And I believe, and
I've said it at a different point a different day,
that it has become their church. The state has become
their church, and it's a convenient church because it is
a church that comes with the force of government. And
that's where I believe that the Democrats have become.

Speaker 5 (01:26:00):
You might have actually said that in the rest of
the clip that I did not play. I think you
touched on that a little bit in that same speech,
And you're right, this comes down to a belief system
of trying to enforce that from government, and that is
not the role of government full stop. And yet we
have this direction that we've seen across the country of

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trying to enforce a certain orthodoxy, and thankfully at the
federal level we've seen pushback from the current administration. But
at the state level and in school districts and in
so many other institutions, we still see this radical movement.
And so for somebody running for elected office, as you are, Mark,
basically a candidate for governor and currently serving in the

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state Senate, what do you think government should do to
write the ship on this. Let's say you're elected governor
and you're looking at these issues, what would you want
to change?

Speaker 14 (01:26:53):
Well, so the easy, simple thing is just vetow the
snot out of every bill that comes up that is
in appropriate for legislation, appropriate statute.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
We have our constitutional guard rails.

Speaker 14 (01:27:06):
Thou shalt not pass into law a bill that is unconstitutional,
that just is totally ignored. I point that out every
time an unconstitutional bill comes across I go up and
I pointed out, I'll read from the constitution, here's what's
in violation. I'll read from the bill, here's the part
that's violating that constitutional concept, and they vote for it anyway. So,

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at the very least, all of those unconstitutional bills need
to be vetoed. But beyond that the government should not
be playing such an enormous role in our lives, and
the government should facilitate jobs facilitate through commerce education fund

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at least, if not provide, but fund good education. So
we need to focus on that. So it is my
first attempt, and I think it would be for any
Republican coming in just to veto all of that social
engineering that comes in. But it has to go beyond that.
So we have to go from saying, Okay, I'm going

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to stop all the crazy because they've gotten crazy, and
let's get the government back to what it ought to
be doing.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
So I think about that a lot.

Speaker 14 (01:28:26):
What ought government to be doing so in facilitating commerce,
and that's something I've been working on real hard, bringing
the Chipsack, bringing semiconductor manufacturing out of China and into Colorado,
certainly the rest of the US, but here. So we
got Colorado and I'm part of that bill, got Colorado
approved for the chips ACKed, and then to get us

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designated as a tech hub for quantum quantum computing. The
center of that development of that research is right here
in Colorado now. Because we won that designation in a
bake off against all the other states that wanted that.
We won, and I led that charge frankly, and then
third on the other side of the brain on the
right side. We brought the Sundance Film Festival to Colorado.

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That's like winning the Super Bowl for ten years in
a row. This is a big deal, and so we
will have the arts side coming in. But we facilitate
these things. We don't create jobs. The government doesn't create
jobs for just the wasteful ones, but the bureaucratic ones.
But we can facilitate peoples going after and creating, creating
commerce and the dignity of work, and we get out

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of their way.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
A few minutes left.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
Time flies when you're literally having fun here in studio,
Mark Baisley. I think about, for example, in education, you
have parents groups like jeff Co Kids First, which has
their gall on Thursday evening. I know you and I
will both be there, or the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network
and Protect Kids Colorado. Like these different parent led organizations.

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I feel like we need something similar, more so in
terms of advocacy from the private sector businesses to push
back more vocally against some of the regulations. You have
some of that, but it seems like it's a little
bit too subdued to me, because you're right, this can't
come from these things can't come from government. You need
the private sector, You need individuals to get engaged and

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say no, we're going to draw a line in the
sand right here, don't you.

Speaker 14 (01:30:24):
A classic example of that is the AI, the artificial
intelligence fight going on at the state right now. The
state we have a bill that Governor pull Us signed
into law under duress because his favorite bill was held
in abands until he signed this bill AI bill, and
the AI bill that was passed last year goes into

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effect next year. The goal of it was to try
to prevent discrimination against the protected classes by AI.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
Okay, But the way the bill reads is that.

Speaker 14 (01:30:56):
The AI developers have to turn their code their software
over to the Attorney General's office for review.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
They do not want to.

Speaker 14 (01:31:03):
Hand over their intellectual property to the state government and
trust them to not share it somewhere else, so they
will move out of the state. My bill that I
am introducing this year on that is a bill that
says we get out of regulating the development of the
software itself, but rather just say we will just augment

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the current statute that says you can't discriminate against people
even with the use of technology, and then leave the
technology alone. But that's a classic example of what you're
talking about the government playing its appropriate role and not
sticking its nose into how commerce is done.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Setting guard rails and a little bit of guidelines and
let the market do its thing.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
Remember that?

Speaker 5 (01:31:47):
Yeah, Mark Baisley, our guess you're running for governor.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
What's your pitch? Who are you and why are you
running for governor? Mark Baisley? I share a birthday with
Jimmy Sangenberger.

Speaker 5 (01:31:56):
That's the qualification. That's all you need, right, Yeah, Yeah,
this is it's far more of the calling than the aspiration.

Speaker 14 (01:32:05):
You know, just every now and then you look around
and you say, you know what, I think?

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
This is something I'm supposed to be doing. Love the state.

Speaker 14 (01:32:17):
It's a much different place than the place I moved
to thirty six years ago when Lucky Martin Rack back
then it was Martin Murriette moved me out here as
an aerospace engineer, and it is worth fighting for to
bring it back to the incredible place that it has
always been. We just need to be in common sense back.
We need to bring our Colorado back, and I aim

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to do that thirty seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
The big question, given the dynamics we were talking about,
can't a Republicans seriously win the governorship in Colorado.

Speaker 14 (01:32:48):
I'm always going to have hope. So we have to
run a perfect game. We have to turn.

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
Out the vote.

Speaker 14 (01:32:56):
The competitor that we're going to get probably Michael Bennett.
Just if it were just that running against that other person,
I think we could win it. But we have to
turn out a vote like we've never done before because
the other side has things really gamed and we need
to beat that.

Speaker 7 (01:33:16):
So we need to.

Speaker 14 (01:33:16):
Overwhelm, just like Donald Trump did. He won by overwhelming
the turnout, and so that's what we need to do.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Mark Baisley, what's your website? Mark Baisley dot com? Im
RK K B A I S L E Y.

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
Happy birthday, my friend, and thanks for coming by the studios.

Speaker 4 (01:33:32):
Thank you, Jimmy, appreciate you so much. We'll talk to
you again down the line.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
Well, that is it for me today, but I will
be back in for Mandy Connell tomorrow from noon to three.
Bring in more engaging, intelligent talk, saying style as I
like to say, and of course some of the best
bumper music known to man, which will continue tomorrow. Be
sure to tune in looking forward to it, and as

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I always say, and thanks for Mandy, Thanks to Mandy,
and thanks for as well, and God bless you and
your recovery. Glad you're doing well and everything went great
with the surgery the other day. She will be back
a week from today. For now, as I always like
to close, May God bless America.