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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we are here with Thomas fry our Futurists.
You can always find him at futurist speaker dot com
and I always link to it on the blog so
you can see more.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thomas. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Today, I'm doing just great.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I like to hear that.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And you have on your futurist blog that you can
also find at the same website. You always have the
most interesting columns, and I want to talk about one
that is going to be out what next week?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Is that what you told me when you send it
to me, right right?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So I find this concept kind of interesting because you
talk about in the future, we won't have to worry
about people sticking their necks out to be a whistleblower
in a situation like we've seen, and you use Edward
Snowden as an example, and you use the Boeing whistleblowers
as an example, because it takes a lot of courage
(00:50):
to be a whistleblower, because you are now going to
put yourself at odds with whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Organization you're blowing the whistle on.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So you suggest that we're going to have robot whistle
blow and all I saw immediately was great robot snitches
what's the difference between robot whistleblowers and robot snitches.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, that's a great question. Yeah, Originally I was thinking
when I wrote this that I was thinking that we
would have a robot that we would tell the secrets to,
and then the robot then would go testify somewhere. We
(01:31):
would never know who they would never know who it
was in the background, So then you could protect the
identity of the person that was actually the whistle blower.
But as I got into it, then that didn't make
sense in a lot of levels. So, but it seems
like there should be some way of digitally protecting the
(01:55):
identity of the person that's actually blowing the whistle, but
we don't really have a good system for doing that
right now.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Now, what made you think of this in the first place.
Was it the.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You know, was it just the overall concept of trying
to figure out a way for something to get ratted
out without having the negative backlash from being a person
who's working in that company. Now, I think it's interesting
that you almost went industrial spy there with the robots.
In a way, you give this roseby you're whispering all
the secrets of the company, and then he comes out
and is like, I know everything.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I mean, what does that robot even look like?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah? Well, see, part of the problem was is the
things that Boeing has gotten so bad that there should
have been somebody blowing the whistle on this a long
time ago, and there probably was, but it just didn't
come to light. I mean, this is this is an
American company. We all liked the idea of of Boeing
(02:57):
being something that we were and look up to. But
there's a lot of crap going on in the background
that just wasn't right. And so they were sweeping a
lot of the problems under the rug. And so I thought,
you know, there should be a way of actually getting
this to come to light sooner than later. And that's
(03:19):
why I started going down this path. But is this
the correct way, I'm I don't know. I was hoping
that maybe this would trigger some thoughts in some of
the listeners here, that maybe they would come up with
a better way of doing this.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, so.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I'm looking at the tech line five six six nine, oh,
and I want to I was thinking about this earlier
after I read the column, and I'm thinking to myself,
how would I set this up? And it would almost
be like maybe you'd have an umbudsman robot right where
you'd have this robot that was kind of a clearing house.
But then I thought to myself, because this is how
paranoid I am, Thomas. If I am going to report
(03:57):
on someone else, how am I actually physically going to
report on someone else? Anything digital has a trail, So
I would have to actually physically go see this robot.
So that's the part that I'm stuck on, because if
they know you saw the robot, they know that you
were going to go rat somebody out.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a few holes and all the ways
thatid Cobalt doing this. Yeah. So you think about Edward
Snowden's situation. He got extremely uncomfortable with what they were
doing and all the privacy rights that they were violating,
(04:39):
and so he had to tell somebody. He put himself
at extreme danger and has still not been able to
come back home. So would there have been another way
for him to expose this problem without putting his life
on the line.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I mean, that would have been great.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
There's also the question about whether Edward Snowden is a
whistleblower or a treason you know, a trader. So that's
where it gets for me a little more complicated, because
I do think there are times when someone could ostensibly
leak the kind of secrets that Edward Snowden did that
you know there's more to the story, right, we got
(05:20):
a huge file Dumpma. Well, we'll not have a conversation
about the rightness or wrongness of this. We'll keep it
on the task at hand, because I don't just want
to talk about robot whistleblowers, which, by the way, not
one single person has a better way to do this
on the text line. I just want you to know
that I want to talk about beef infused rice for
a moment because this is fascinating. So you have an
(05:40):
article that there's already been created a rice that has
what beef bovine genes put in it, so it has
meat inside the Explain to me what this is, Thomas.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, so this is like lab grown meat, only it's
lab grown rice with meat inside of it. So it's
the same process of actually growing growing an animal. But
then you combine two things together, so they grow this
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inside of a vat. They put all the right ingredients
into it, and overtime then it actually grows and turns
into this combination rice with beef in it. Now, this
is the first product, and they're looking at doing other
combination products as well. I mean, if you could think
(06:41):
of growing a potato with pork in it, or growing
broccoli with chicken in it, and things like that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Boy, that's going to drive the vegans crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Different combinations.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's going to drive the vegans crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Thomas, Yeah, probably drive a lot of people crazy, because
people are going to have all this question well is
this real and is this safe? And is this something
I want to expose my kids to? And is this
better than naturally growing something?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, I wanted to ask you, why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I would not have thought, hey, let's take rice and
put beef into it would be a starting position for
any kind of food experimentation.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But why are they doing this?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, the lab grown beef has started with kind of
some interesting reasoning behind it, and that there's a lot
of parts of the world where they're very crowded and
they don't have room for raising cattle or raising lots
of chickens and things, so that they thought that this
lab grown beef, beef from chicken and pork and fish,
(07:54):
that would be a good way of solving that problem.
It also has some other benefits to it too. The
people that are don't want to cause cruelty to animals,
that don't want to harm harm chickens or harm pigs.
There they find this appealing because this has grown in
(08:17):
the laboratory and you're not actually hurting the animal for
those For those people, then this makes sense. Now we
have a lot of states right now that are putting
up regulations against growing beef in a laboratory because that
they're worried about it eventually hurting the ranching industry in
(08:39):
the United States. I think that's a little premature. I
think something like this is going to take decades to
catch on at best, and it may only actually capture
a small percentage of the population anyway. So I like
the idea of having new options.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Well, you know, there's an ick factor here, and for me,
it's one of those things where I think that you know,
I believe that we in the United States and our
zeal to produce more food, which we are very good
at in farming and agriculture, but I think in our
zeal to do that, we have changed the nature of
American produce in such a way that it is noticeable
(09:22):
when you go to Europe and you have the food
over there that is far more unadulterated than it is here. Now,
they don't grow as much food as we are as
we have here, and they still have big factory farms.
But there's something with our food supply, in our in
our efforts to make it bigger, better, faster, stronger, that
I think we've sort of hurt the quality of.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Some of our produce.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And when I think about lab created meat nutritionally at
its most cellular level, I don't trust that it's exactly
the same. I think that's what it comes down for me.
So I don't know if I'm going to be on
that lab grown meat bandwagon anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
It just sound owns gross to me, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, here's here's another option. It doesn't have to be
the edible part of the animal. You could also do
lab grown leather, so you could actually grow grow the leather,
and and so then you could grow the leather and
actually create shoes and belts and purses and things like that.
(10:24):
Then think of think of this idea of actually going
to Hollywood and getting the genes, getting the material from
actual celebrities and then have designer leather. That's that's actually
coming from these celebrities.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
No, you are no, No.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Would you would you buy it if it was an
actual George Pliny person? No?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That is such a that that is just that just
reminds me of the lamp shades made by the Nazis
with human skin. There's no way I am participating in that.
But you know what, I bet a lot of people would,
and I've bet a lot of these celebrities would be like, hey,
you know what, you can make forty million dollars by
selling a purse made out of your skin. Black Thomas Blach.
(11:15):
If this is the future, I don't want to go.
I just want to stop right now. I just yuck.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I cannot do that. That is that's horrible. Blah, just bla.
Oh god, why did I ask me?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Why did you even bring that up? That's horrible.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh can you imagine being like, oh, what designer? You
know what designer is your purse? Oh it's George Clooney.
It's actually George Clooney right here.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
On my arm.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's just weird and kind of upsetting to me that
we would be making things out of other people's skin.
Somebody on the text line lab grown hot garbage is what.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
This is exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
But ultimately, you know, Thomas, we've shown an incredible amount
of adaptability when it comes to our food chains, and
I do think at some point in the future there's
going to be enough people who want to eat meat
without eating actual animals that I think this is going
to have legs. I mean, I would invest in it
now early, you know, and and kind of roll the
(12:10):
dice with some money behind that.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think. I think it's an idea.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That as more people become aware of what farming looks like.
And I am not a person who is upset with
the way farming is done, but ultimately, you're growing animals
for food, so there's a certain part of barbarism in
the process. I think people are going to go for this,
not me, but somebody.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Else, right right. I think there's a market for it,
and it's a matter of getting it down to the
right price point where it's competitive, and then the right
quality control and everything so it's self produced in volume,
with enough safety measures in place so that it's nutritionally sound.
(12:53):
So I think we're only a few years away. I
mean it is. It is being sold in Singapore right now,
lab grown meat, and so that's a possibility right at
the moment.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
You know what, more power to Singapore. They'll beat you
for having to stick a gun, but you can get
that lab grown meat over there all the time. Let
me ask you one more thing. Oh to the text
through just said Mandy Connell's shoes, No, no hard pass.
I do not want you people walking around in my
skin shoes. That is the weirdest thing ever. Anyway, I
want to ask one question because you also have another
(13:30):
excellent column about AI and the future of human DNA,
and I want to talk about this because last weekend
my son was here and he said, you know what
the anti aging research they're doing now on how telemeres
actually control the process of aging and they're starting to
understand what the disease of aging actually is. And he said,
you know, there's going to be technologies that reasonably you
(13:52):
could live to be one hundred and thirty one hundred
and fifty very very soon. And I said that sounds horrible.
I don't want to live to be one hundred and fifty.
I'm already kind of bored now, and I'm only fifty five,
so I can only imagine how bored I'd be by
one fifty. But then you have this column on AI
driven genetic modifications, and when you're talking about AI driven
(14:12):
genetic modifications to our DNA, how does that process work
in your mind?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
What would that look like in theory?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, that's a great question. I start off with a
story about Elon Musk sends some teams of people to
Mars and realizes that the space is such a harsh
condition that we need more durable humans to actually go
to Mars, and so he comes back to Earth to
(14:46):
actually re engineer human DNA so we can have a
more durable grade of person that goes to Mars. That
in my mind actually worked as a possible, realistic possibility.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So are we talking about going into an adult way?
Are we talking about going into an adult human and
tweaking their DNA at that level? That's what I'm confused about.
I'm confused about when this genetic alteration takes place.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I think it could happen at any age, and so
that you could actually it actually takes over the entire body. Then,
as you make the alteration and you become theoretically a
more durable human at that point. If that's if that's
(15:41):
the the attributes you're going for. If you want somebody
that can live a long time, that's a different way
of altering the genes. If you want somebody that can
live on less oxygen or less water, I mean, that's
another approach. But yeah, I mean I'm thinking that you'll
(16:04):
have the Olympics in the future. You'll have to do
all kinds of other testing to make sure these people
haven't been genetically mutated to the point where they are
ten times stronger than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
See now that that is kind of appealing. Like if
I could have a little DNA tweak that would give
me ABS, that would be nice. I would like that
a lot, if I could just get some ABS. I mean,
are we going to get to a point in the
future where you're going to be able to go into
like right now, like you go in to get botox.
Are we going to get to the point in the
future where you're going to be able to go into
some kind of boutique and say, you know, I'd like
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to have better upper body strength, or I'd like to
be able to sleep better, or I'd like to have
some of these other genetic qualities that I don't have,
and you'll be able to basically pick and choose and
make a designer human of yourself.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Possibly that you know, for for business people, rather than
curing some disease that's really difficult to get their mind
wrapped around, and actually make any money in the process
of doing it. There's a constant demand for us having
better bodies. There's a constant demand for us, demand for
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us to lose weight, for us to be taller, more hair,
better looking, and so being able to design those things
that I think is an interesting way of thinking about
the future. I don't know how quickly this comes about,
(17:44):
but I would guess within the next ten years.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
What like, why do I think this is like fifty
years away and you are saying, oh, in the next
ten years is going to be happening.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, things are moving really fast.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Well, I would guess. So, I would guess.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So Thomas Fry is my guy who gives me things
to think about when I can't sleep at night, and
I'm not even kidding, like I'll lie there and think about,
like what would if I could go into the genetics
supermarket and pick out some new things for me?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
What would I get, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Like, what accoutremonts would I add to the Mandy Connell
collection that does not include skin shoes?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, you don't. You don't have to have a jewelry
box to storm in because it's all in your body.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh that's creepy and weird.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Oh look, honey, I got you blue eyes for Christmas. Okay,
on that note, we'll let you go, Thomas. You can
find Thomas to come speak to your organization about your
industry or anything else at futuristspeaker dot com. I linked
to it on the website along with links to the
stories that we talked about here today.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Good to see my friend. I'll see you in a month.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Thank you, all right.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
That is Thomas Fry, our futurist
All right, we are here with Thomas fry our Futurists.
You can always find him at futurist speaker dot com
and I always link to it on the blog so
you can see more.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thomas. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Today, I'm doing just great.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I like to hear that.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
And you have on your futurist blog that you can
also find at the same website. You always have the
most interesting columns, and I want to talk about one
that is going to be out what next week?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Is that what you told me when you send it
to me, right right?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So I find this concept kind of interesting because you
talk about in the future, we won't have to worry
about people sticking their necks out to be a whistleblower
in a situation like we've seen, and you use Edward
Snowden as an example, and you use the Boeing whistleblowers
as an example, because it takes a lot of courage
(00:50):
to be a whistleblower, because you are now going to
put yourself at odds with whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Organization you're blowing the whistle on.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So you suggest that we're going to have robot whistle
blow and all I saw immediately was great robot snitches
what's the difference between robot whistleblowers and robot snitches.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, that's a great question. Yeah, Originally I was thinking
when I wrote this that I was thinking that we
would have a robot that we would tell the secrets to,
and then the robot then would go testify somewhere. We
(01:31):
would never know who they would never know who it
was in the background, So then you could protect the
identity of the person that was actually the whistle blower.
But as I got into it, then that didn't make
sense in a lot of levels. So, but it seems
like there should be some way of digitally protecting the
(01:55):
identity of the person that's actually blowing the whistle, but
we don't really have a good system for doing that
right now.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Now, what made you think of this in the first place.
Was it the.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You know, was it just the overall concept of trying
to figure out a way for something to get ratted
out without having the negative backlash from being a person
who's working in that company. Now, I think it's interesting
that you almost went industrial spy there with the robots.
In a way, you give this roseby you're whispering all
the secrets of the company, and then he comes out
and is like, I know everything.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I mean, what does that robot even look like?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah? Well, see, part of the problem was is the
things that Boeing has gotten so bad that there should
have been somebody blowing the whistle on this a long
time ago, and there probably was, but it just didn't
come to light. I mean, this is this is an
American company. We all liked the idea of of Boeing
(02:57):
being something that we were and look up to. But
there's a lot of crap going on in the background
that just wasn't right. And so they were sweeping a
lot of the problems under the rug. And so I thought,
you know, there should be a way of actually getting
this to come to light sooner than later. And that's
(03:19):
why I started going down this path. But is this
the correct way, I'm I don't know. I was hoping
that maybe this would trigger some thoughts in some of
the listeners here, that maybe they would come up with
a better way of doing this.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, so.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I'm looking at the tech line five six six nine, oh,
and I want to I was thinking about this earlier
after I read the column, and I'm thinking to myself,
how would I set this up? And it would almost
be like maybe you'd have an umbudsman robot right where
you'd have this robot that was kind of a clearing house.
But then I thought to myself, because this is how
paranoid I am, Thomas. If I am going to report
(03:57):
on someone else, how am I actually physically going to
report on someone else? Anything digital has a trail, So
I would have to actually physically go see this robot.
So that's the part that I'm stuck on, because if
they know you saw the robot, they know that you
were going to go rat somebody out.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a few holes and all the ways
thatid Cobalt doing this. Yeah. So you think about Edward
Snowden's situation. He got extremely uncomfortable with what they were
doing and all the privacy rights that they were violating,
(04:39):
and so he had to tell somebody. He put himself
at extreme danger and has still not been able to
come back home. So would there have been another way
for him to expose this problem without putting his life
on the line.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I mean, that would have been great.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
There's also the question about whether Edward Snowden is a
whistleblower or a treason you know, a trader. So that's
where it gets for me a little more complicated, because
I do think there are times when someone could ostensibly
leak the kind of secrets that Edward Snowden did that
you know there's more to the story, right, we got
(05:20):
a huge file Dumpma. Well, we'll not have a conversation
about the rightness or wrongness of this. We'll keep it
on the task at hand, because I don't just want
to talk about robot whistleblowers, which, by the way, not
one single person has a better way to do this
on the text line. I just want you to know
that I want to talk about beef infused rice for
a moment because this is fascinating. So you have an
(05:40):
article that there's already been created a rice that has
what beef bovine genes put in it, so it has
meat inside the Explain to me what this is, Thomas.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, so this is like lab grown meat, only it's
lab grown rice with meat inside of it. So it's
the same process of actually growing growing an animal. But
then you combine two things together, so they grow this
(06:21):
inside of a vat. They put all the right ingredients
into it, and overtime then it actually grows and turns
into this combination rice with beef in it. Now, this
is the first product, and they're looking at doing other
combination products as well. I mean, if you could think
(06:41):
of growing a potato with pork in it, or growing
broccoli with chicken in it, and things like that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Boy, that's going to drive the vegans crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Different combinations.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's going to drive the vegans crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Thomas, Yeah, probably drive a lot of people crazy, because
people are going to have all this question well is
this real and is this safe? And is this something
I want to expose my kids to? And is this
better than naturally growing something?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, I wanted to ask you, why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I would not have thought, hey, let's take rice and
put beef into it would be a starting position for
any kind of food experimentation.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But why are they doing this?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, the lab grown beef has started with kind of
some interesting reasoning behind it, and that there's a lot
of parts of the world where they're very crowded and
they don't have room for raising cattle or raising lots
of chickens and things, so that they thought that this
lab grown beef, beef from chicken and pork and fish,
(07:54):
that would be a good way of solving that problem.
It also has some other benefits to it too. The
people that are don't want to cause cruelty to animals,
that don't want to harm harm chickens or harm pigs.
There they find this appealing because this has grown in
(08:17):
the laboratory and you're not actually hurting the animal for
those For those people, then this makes sense. Now we
have a lot of states right now that are putting
up regulations against growing beef in a laboratory because that
they're worried about it eventually hurting the ranching industry in
(08:39):
the United States. I think that's a little premature. I
think something like this is going to take decades to
catch on at best, and it may only actually capture
a small percentage of the population anyway. So I like
the idea of having new options.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Well, you know, there's an ick factor here, and for me,
it's one of those things where I think that you know,
I believe that we in the United States and our
zeal to produce more food, which we are very good
at in farming and agriculture, but I think in our
zeal to do that, we have changed the nature of
American produce in such a way that it is noticeable
(09:22):
when you go to Europe and you have the food
over there that is far more unadulterated than it is here. Now,
they don't grow as much food as we are as
we have here, and they still have big factory farms.
But there's something with our food supply, in our in
our efforts to make it bigger, better, faster, stronger, that
I think we've sort of hurt the quality of.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Some of our produce.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And when I think about lab created meat nutritionally at
its most cellular level, I don't trust that it's exactly
the same. I think that's what it comes down for me.
So I don't know if I'm going to be on
that lab grown meat bandwagon anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
It just sound owns gross to me, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, here's here's another option. It doesn't have to be
the edible part of the animal. You could also do
lab grown leather, so you could actually grow grow the leather,
and and so then you could grow the leather and
actually create shoes and belts and purses and things like that.
(10:24):
Then think of think of this idea of actually going
to Hollywood and getting the genes, getting the material from
actual celebrities and then have designer leather. That's that's actually
coming from these celebrities.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
No, you are no, No.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Would you would you buy it if it was an
actual George Pliny person? No?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That is such a that that is just that just
reminds me of the lamp shades made by the Nazis
with human skin. There's no way I am participating in that.
But you know what, I bet a lot of people would,
and I've bet a lot of these celebrities would be like, hey,
you know what, you can make forty million dollars by
selling a purse made out of your skin. Black Thomas Blach.
(11:15):
If this is the future, I don't want to go.
I just want to stop right now. I just yuck.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I cannot do that. That is that's horrible. Blah, just bla.
Oh god, why did I ask me?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Why did you even bring that up? That's horrible.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh can you imagine being like, oh, what designer? You
know what designer is your purse? Oh it's George Clooney.
It's actually George Clooney right here.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
On my arm.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's just weird and kind of upsetting to me that
we would be making things out of other people's skin.
Somebody on the text line lab grown hot garbage is what.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
This is exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
But ultimately, you know, Thomas, we've shown an incredible amount
of adaptability when it comes to our food chains, and
I do think at some point in the future there's
going to be enough people who want to eat meat
without eating actual animals that I think this is going
to have legs. I mean, I would invest in it
now early, you know, and and kind of roll the
(12:10):
dice with some money behind that.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think. I think it's an idea.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That as more people become aware of what farming looks like.
And I am not a person who is upset with
the way farming is done, but ultimately, you're growing animals
for food, so there's a certain part of barbarism in
the process. I think people are going to go for this,
not me, but somebody.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Else, right right. I think there's a market for it,
and it's a matter of getting it down to the
right price point where it's competitive, and then the right
quality control and everything so it's self produced in volume,
with enough safety measures in place so that it's nutritionally sound.
(12:53):
So I think we're only a few years away. I
mean it is. It is being sold in Singapore right now,
lab grown meat, and so that's a possibility right at
the moment.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
You know what, more power to Singapore. They'll beat you
for having to stick a gun, but you can get
that lab grown meat over there all the time. Let
me ask you one more thing. Oh to the text
through just said Mandy Connell's shoes, No, no hard pass.
I do not want you people walking around in my
skin shoes. That is the weirdest thing ever. Anyway, I
want to ask one question because you also have another
(13:30):
excellent column about AI and the future of human DNA,
and I want to talk about this because last weekend
my son was here and he said, you know what
the anti aging research they're doing now on how telemeres
actually control the process of aging and they're starting to
understand what the disease of aging actually is. And he said,
you know, there's going to be technologies that reasonably you
(13:52):
could live to be one hundred and thirty one hundred
and fifty very very soon. And I said that sounds horrible.
I don't want to live to be one hundred and fifty.
I'm already kind of bored now, and I'm only fifty five,
so I can only imagine how bored I'd be by
one fifty. But then you have this column on AI
driven genetic modifications, and when you're talking about AI driven
(14:12):
genetic modifications to our DNA, how does that process work
in your mind?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
What would that look like in theory?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, that's a great question. I start off with a
story about Elon Musk sends some teams of people to
Mars and realizes that the space is such a harsh
condition that we need more durable humans to actually go
to Mars, and so he comes back to Earth to
(14:46):
actually re engineer human DNA so we can have a
more durable grade of person that goes to Mars. That
in my mind actually worked as a possible, realistic possibility.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So are we talking about going into an adult way?
Are we talking about going into an adult human and
tweaking their DNA at that level? That's what I'm confused about.
I'm confused about when this genetic alteration takes place.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I think it could happen at any age, and so
that you could actually it actually takes over the entire body. Then,
as you make the alteration and you become theoretically a
more durable human at that point. If that's if that's
(15:41):
the the attributes you're going for. If you want somebody
that can live a long time, that's a different way
of altering the genes. If you want somebody that can
live on less oxygen or less water, I mean, that's
another approach. But yeah, I mean I'm thinking that you'll
(16:04):
have the Olympics in the future. You'll have to do
all kinds of other testing to make sure these people
haven't been genetically mutated to the point where they are
ten times stronger than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
See now that that is kind of appealing. Like if
I could have a little DNA tweak that would give
me ABS, that would be nice. I would like that
a lot, if I could just get some ABS. I mean,
are we going to get to a point in the
future where you're going to be able to go into
like right now, like you go in to get botox.
Are we going to get to the point in the
future where you're going to be able to go into
some kind of boutique and say, you know, I'd like
(16:38):
to have better upper body strength, or I'd like to
be able to sleep better, or I'd like to have
some of these other genetic qualities that I don't have,
and you'll be able to basically pick and choose and
make a designer human of yourself.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Possibly that you know, for for business people, rather than
curing some disease that's really difficult to get their mind
wrapped around, and actually make any money in the process
of doing it. There's a constant demand for us having
better bodies. There's a constant demand for us, demand for
(17:20):
us to lose weight, for us to be taller, more hair,
better looking, and so being able to design those things
that I think is an interesting way of thinking about
the future. I don't know how quickly this comes about,
(17:44):
but I would guess within the next ten years.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
What like, why do I think this is like fifty
years away and you are saying, oh, in the next
ten years is going to be happening.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, things are moving really fast.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Well, I would guess. So, I would guess.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So Thomas Fry is my guy who gives me things
to think about when I can't sleep at night, and
I'm not even kidding, like I'll lie there and think about,
like what would if I could go into the genetics
supermarket and pick out some new things for me?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
What would I get, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Like, what accoutremonts would I add to the Mandy Connell
collection that does not include skin shoes?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, you don't. You don't have to have a jewelry
box to storm in because it's all in your body.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh that's creepy and weird.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Oh look, honey, I got you blue eyes for Christmas. Okay,
on that note, we'll let you go, Thomas. You can
find Thomas to come speak to your organization about your
industry or anything else at futuristspeaker dot com. I linked
to it on the website along with links to the
stories that we talked about here today.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Good to see my friend. I'll see you in a month.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Thank you, all right.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
That is Thomas Fry, our futurist
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