08-18-25 FULL SHOW - Guy Benson Joins Me To Chat Freedom - The Mandy Connell Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:28):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to a Monday edition of the show.
I'm your host, Mandy Connell, back in the studio today,
wearing pants with a waistband that might not have been
the best choice as I recover from a little surgery,
not just because you know I don't like waistbands. Joining
me Anthony Rodriguez, who we know is a rod.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
And also.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
And if you know a Rod, it really is. You
love the guy because his heart's as big as anyone's.
And now I know why I get back in the
office today. And I have a lovely bouquet flower from
his parents and just so incredibly sweet and kind and
thoughtful and I really appreciate it. And they have my dranges,
and which are my favorite. Has anybody out here been

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able to grow hydranges in the South? They grow like weeds.
I mean, it is crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
So it was nice.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
It was just genuinely, very very nice. To see that,
so I very much appreciate that you had it like
a huge weekend day.

Speaker 6 (01:24):
Rod.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Let's do the blog and then we'll talk about the
video that's on the blog today. You had an experience
that I had a little bit differently. Mine was terrifying.
You seem like you enjoyed yours. We'll talk about that
after we find the blog by going to mandy'sblog dot com.
That's mandy'sblog dot com. Look for the headline that says
eight eighteen twenty five blog Guy Benson joins me to

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chat freedom. Click on that and here are the headlines
you will.

Speaker 7 (01:51):
Find within anyone who office half of American all with
ships and clipments.

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A s that's going to press plant.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Today on the blog Guy Benson, is this Marty pants.
If you are a disabled vet, our busted budget is
not Trump's fault and they're coming for Tabor.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Mark Rubio killed it.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
On the Sunday shows yesterday. Scrolling scrolling Excel, Oh excuse me,
how many of these people got free stuff from Denver?
Excel is asking for another ten percent? Did you get
laid off from the city of Denver? Want to feel
safe while you travel? Why does Colorado hate tech, the
DC crime trap of their own creation. Fun from the

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mom zod is dead, hospice work changes an atheist heart.
Socialism fails again. Teen vaping levels equal teen smoking levels
in the seventies. Now a cigarette takes twenty minutes off
your life. Stop asking kids if they're depressed?

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Can we roll back?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Aging?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Ay?

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Rod got to do the coolest thing. The three invite
rule is a solid one. He just seems grouchy. This
is why I have the Internet. Have you seen k pop?
Demon hunters? Carry man?

Speaker 8 (03:00):
Ring?

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Is only bad when Republicans do it. Those are the
headlines on the blog at mandy'sblog dot com. Tick Tech
two a winner. I thought so too, Nancy, thanks for
the seal of approval. So a Rod you know you
guys may not know, but A Rod is the voice
of the Colorado Motor Speedway.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Right, is that what it's called? Yes? Carro National Shoot.
I knew that wasn't right when I said it.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Sorry, Colorado National Speedway. He is the announcer, he's the
track announcer and on set. When did you get to
do this?

Speaker 7 (03:29):
I'm gonna stop you right there real quick. I have
lost track, Mandy? How many times now? People come up
to me and talk about the show. Yes, this very show.
Many many many CNS race fans love the Mandy Connell Show.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Well, we love you too.

Speaker 7 (03:43):
Yeah, I've lost track seriously, like, all right, listened to
this or you should have this out here? Oh my gosh,
I listen all the time. It's so much fun.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Oh that's awesome. Yeahs track.

Speaker 7 (03:50):
How many times that's happened? Now, that's more often, a
lot more this season, So I think that familiar.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
I also know that you're there. You're the guy too,
So there's that connection.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
So hello to all you who are listening and come
to seeing us on a weekly basis. It's awesome. Keep
keep coming up and telling me your stories.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
So this weekend you got to do a test lap
in a Corvette I believe. Yeah, but your driver was
a little young.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
You must have felt like an old man like grandpa
with the thirteen year old driver that drove you around
the track.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
So this last weekend was our Cars Tour. We have
it once a year. It's the NASCAR Legend. Kevin Harvick,
a NASCAR champion and his son Keilan Harvick. They go
around and do what's called essentially the Harvick Showdown where
they race against each other.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
So it was a multi day event. But on Friday
they were doing laps.

Speaker 7 (04:38):
With a bunch of a bunch of fans, right, and
I'm up there in the booth and the co owner
of the car series is on the track kind of
he has the mike. He's kind of doing the thing
on the track there, and he yells up at me
and he goes, hey, ro I wish to get you
down here and get you.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
In this thing.

Speaker 7 (04:52):
And I start to think, I'm like, how many chances
will I have to do something like this? And so
I go down there and so it's two corvette. It's
Jim Nordhaugan who's owned the track and now on our
new owner, Chad Anderson, who has the other corvette. They
just bought these two things. Kevin Harvick is driving one
of them. Kielan Harvick is driving the other, doing this
thing around with the fans. And I go, let's do it,

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and I jump in the corvette with thirteen year old
Keelan Harvick, who mind you? Twenty four hours after this
video beat his dad in the Harvick Showdown came in
first place to his dad in second place. So this
kid is the future of NASCAR, Like, he is an
amazing driver, And I wasn't worried for.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
A moment with the way that he was driving me.

Speaker 7 (05:34):
People were asking me we had to be going at
least one hundred miles an hour on the straightaway.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
It was insane. It was awesome bucket list item.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
I didn't even know it was going to be on
my bucket list, and now it is, and that video
is on the blog, and it's just so many cool things.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I've gotten to do because of this job that I
would have never ever, ever gotten to do any other way, right,
And the only one I've ever said no to was
jumping out of an airplane with the Golden Knights. Is
that the Army paratrooper I can't remember. Chuck was is
still mad at me about it, and it was like
fifteen years ago. I mean, he's still mad about the
whole thing. But I was like, Nope, that's not a

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thing that I want to do, thank you very much.
But other than that, that's fantastic.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Now.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
When I had the opportunity to do a similar thing,
it was at the Daytona five hundred actually technically the
Pepsi four hundred, but it was at the Speedway in
Daytona and I got to ride in a oh no,
excuse me, wrong story. It was actually at the Mickyard,
which is Disney's short track.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
I don't even know if the Mickyard is still open,
let's see.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
But it was a short track that they did F
one racing at and I got to ride in a
pace car with one of the F one drivers. And
now this guy's a professional, but when you're in the
passenger seat of a car and it is the rear
view mirror is like three inches away from the.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Wall as you are around most in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, it wasn't very successful. It just it was out
of the demo. I don't even I never understood why
they did it in the first place, Like who was
that for?

Speaker 7 (06:56):
But anyway it is now it was demolished and repurposes
of Magic Kingdom's parking lot expansion.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
There you go, better use for it. But I got
to ride in that. It was terrifying because we were
going like one hundred and fifty miles an hour and
we're four inches away from the wall, and I it
was I was, you know, you're sitting in there and
you've got my arms together. I'm leaning over like that's
gonna help.

Speaker 7 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, mind you. They are called pace cars for
a reason. They set the pace for the upcoming race.
It's gonna be fast.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, it's a nice I.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
Mean, I honestly, I'm really glad I did for number one.
I've never gone that fast in the car in my life.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Nice.

Speaker 7 (07:31):
And it really puts some perspective when I'm up in
the booth calling the races, how fast these guys are
going because in the video that I obviously overlaid the
video from a different point of view. From my point
of view in the car, it doesn't look like it's
going that fast, right right. I feel like the cars
that we have racing up there almost feel like they
are going at least like a third or maybe not

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twice as.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Fast, but way faster than I was going. And I
felt like I was going hella fast.

Speaker 7 (07:57):
When I watched that video after the fact, I'm like,
it looks so much faster inside the car.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
So if it's a perspective, yep, it's crazy.

Speaker 9 (08:05):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
But the videos on the blog, it's really fantastic, well done.
I'm glad you had that experience, and I'm glad you
said yes. Yeah, I'm glad you said yes. We've got
Guy Benson on today. He is one of my favorites.
I think he's funny, funny, funny, he's on Fox News.
He's also very smart. He's also one of the speakers
at the Steamboat Conference excuse me, the Steamboat Institute's Freedom
Conference coming up in next weekend, and this is one

(08:28):
of the few years I'm not going because I wasn't
sure about the recovery from the surgery blah blah blah.
But Guy's going to be there. Michelle Tafoya is also
going to be there. We're going to chat with her tomorrow.
But he's going to pop in with us today and
talk about just the event. And he has Colorado connections
and roots, so I'm looking forward to that. It's just
going to be a little chit chat.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Now.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
If you're a disabled veteran, maybe you missed our interview
which disabled American Veterans about their Free Help Day where
they're helping veterans get access to their betit Fits or
maybe get a disability rating change. They're completely open to
any veteran who needs help. There are some requirements. We're
going to talk to them today at two o'clock or

(09:09):
at one o'clock rather about what that looks like. Because
there's another event coming up this weekend in Lakewood, and
the reason I'm talking about it again was apparently our
conversation on the radio got a lot of veterans out
to their last event and in Fort Morgan. So we
want to make sure that we're gonna get this info
to as many people as possible, and we'll do that

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a little bit later in the show. Today we have
all this stuff going on around Trump, and you know
what's going on with Zelensky in Ukraine and Russia and
is there going to be a deal? Is they're not
going to be a deal. I don't normally watch the
Sunday shows when they happen, especially because I don't want
my Sunday interrupted with nonsense. So a lot of times

(09:51):
I'll get up in the morning and I will kind of,
you know, zip through and just watch the interviews that
I care about, Like Jason Crowe was on with Margaret.
I didn't watch it.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I know I probably should. Maybe I'll go back and
watch it. I don't know, but the way Representative Crow
has been spouting off nonsense and doing performative stunts at
ice facilities, I just I don't care what he has
to say, because nothing that he's doing is helping the
people of Colorado unless they're here illegally. And I don't care.

(10:23):
I mean, I don't mean to be a jerk, but
I don't care. So I'm assuming that's what he was
talking about with Margaret Brennan. But yesterday, Mark Rubio is
on all three shows. He's on ABC, this week he's
on Face the Nation, He's on Meet the Press. Now,
I have been an early adopter of Mark Rubio until

(10:44):
I got really mad at him because of the immigration
bill in two thousand and eight, which obviously failed. But
he is so incredibly impressive as Secretary of State, just
really incredibly impressive. And one of the things I say
for the Trump attitude, it permeates well beyond Trump within

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the administration. And what I'm talking about specifically is is
that Republicans always used to be the party of sort
of turning the other cheek, of not stooping to the
level of, you know, rising above, which is perfectly fine
in how I try to live my life, but it
was very ineffective for a very long time, and it

(11:32):
made a lot of Republicans feel like their party was
not willing to fight for the ideals and principles and
laws that they wanted them to fight for. And there's
no doubt in my mind that Donald Trump does not
fall into that category. Now, my issue with Donald Trump
is I'm not ever quite sure what we're fighting for
in the near term, and I'm not quite sure what

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that means in the long term. Right there's a level
of unbalanced around the Trump administration that makes it hard
to figure out exactly what's going on. But one of
the things I do like is that we now have politicians,
and Marco Ruby is one hundred percent a politician, one
hundred percent. We now have politicians that are that are

(12:14):
willing to push back in a pretty aggressive way and
do it in a manner that isn't as trumpy as Trump. Now,
not every politician can do this. As a matter of fact,
watching Gavin Newsom in California trying to out Trump Trump,

(12:35):
it's it's almost sad, right, It's almost it's just sad
to watch them try and fail so spectacularly.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
And what's funny is is.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
The more they try it, the worse they make themselves look.
And it's almost like, why do you love it when
he does it? Because he does it authentically. There's nothing
about Donald Trump that feels like he's putting on some
kind of act. Donald Trump is who Donald Trump is,
and he frankly doesn't really care whether you like him

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or not. And that in and of itself is part
of his appeal, his zero blanks to give attitude when
it comes to whether or not people like him or not.
He really doesn't care. I mean, don't get me wrong,
everybody wants to be liked more than they want to
be disliked. But I think Donald Trump has a special
innate ability to dismiss people who don't like him in

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a way that most of us can't. It's actually really impressive.
So Marco Rubio goes on the Sunday shows and I
want to play this interview with hang on one second, like,
go back here, let me play this interview. This is
Margaret Brennan and it's not the entire interview. This clip
specifically has been making the rounds and she is trying

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to well, I'm just gonna let her start talking. And
then him respond, you know, there.

Speaker 10 (13:56):
Is concern from the Europeans that President Zelensky's going to
be bullied into signing something away. That's why you have
these European leaders coming as back up tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
Can you.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
That's not true?

Speaker 9 (14:11):
But that's not why why that's not true. They're not
coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied. They're
not coming very old, they're coming here tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (14:18):
The television cameras where president you don't meetings, Oh no,
I know, And I was just up one with Vladimir
Putin where red carpet rolls.

Speaker 9 (14:29):
We've had more meetings we've had we've had We've had
one meeting with Putin and like a dozen meetings with Zelenski.
So that but that's not true. They're not coming here
tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
They're coming here.

Speaker 9 (14:40):
Tomorrow because we've been working with the Europeans. We talked
to them last week. There were meetings in the UK
over the follow the previous weekend and as early as Thursday.
But you said that they're coming here tomorrow to keep
Zelensky from being bullied. They're not coming here tomorrow. This
is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming here
tomorrow because the Trump is of bullies a Lenski into

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a bad deal. We've been working with these people for weeks,
for weeks on this stuff. They're coming here tomorrow because
they chose to come here tomorrow. We invited them to come.
We invited them to come. The President invited them to come.

Speaker 10 (15:12):
But the President told those European leaders last week that
he wanted a ceasefire. The President went on television said
he would walk out of the meeting if Vladimir Putin
didn't agree with on He said there would be severe
consequences if he didn't agree to one. He said he'd
walk out in two minutes. He spent three hours talking
to Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Then he did not get one.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, I want to stop here, just to insert a
little side note. It doesn't really have anything to do
with the awesome job that Secretary of State Rocker Rupio
is doing here. It has to do with more Where
was any of this media passion when Barack Obama said
if Siri used chemical weapons, that would be a red
line that could not be crossed, and then just pretended
like it never happened. I just went that was just
an aside, something I thought of, but I'll let them continue.

Speaker 9 (15:52):
So there's because obviously something things happened during that meeting. Well,
because obviously things look, our goal here is not to
stage some production for the world to say, oh, how
dramatic you walked out. Our goal here is to have
a peace agreement to end this war, Okay, And obviously
we felt and I agreed, that there was enough progress,
not a lot of progress, but enough progress made in
those talks to allow us to move to the next phase.

(16:13):
If not, we wouldn't be having Zelenski flying all the
way over here. We wouldn't be having all the Europeans
coming all the way over here. Now understand and take
with a grain of salt. I'm not saying we're on
the verge of a peace deal, but I am saying
that we saw movement, enough movement to justify a follow
up meeting with Zelinsky and the Europeans, enough movement for
us to dedicate even more time to this. You talk
about the sanctions. Look, at the end of the day,

(16:34):
if peace is not going to be possible here and
this is just going to continue on as a war,
people will continue to die by the thousands. The president
has that option to then come in and impose new sanctions.
But if you did this now, the moment the president
puts those additional sanctions, that's the end of the talks.
You've basically locked in at least another year to year
and a half of war and.

Speaker 11 (16:52):
Death and destruction.

Speaker 9 (16:54):
We may unfortunately wind up there, but we don't want
to wind up there. We want to wind up with
a peace deal that ends this war so Ukraine can
go on with the rest of their lives and rebuild
their country and be assured that this is never going
to happen again.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
That's the goal here.

Speaker 9 (17:06):
We're going to do everything possible to make that happen.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
If it's doable, it.

Speaker 9 (17:10):
Will require both sides to make concessions, It will require
both sides to get things they're asking for. That's how
these deals are made, whether we.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
Like it or not.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
So that's Marc Rubio laying the entire thing out for
Margaret Brennan without actually laying out you know.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
The details. We'll get to that. At a moment it
was it was so incredibly good.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
You know why, none of that felt like bs spin,
None of it felt like the fake John Kerry, you know,
the French looking as Rush used to call in.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
It felt genuine.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
It was just, look, we want to get a deal done,
but everybody's got to give something, and we're not going
to go on the record and talk about what that
is because we're in the middle of the negotiation.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
That's not how this works.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
It was just really really good, I mean really really good.
I'll just give you this little snippet before we go
to break from ABC this week.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
Can you name any concessions that Vladimir Putin made during
this meeting as of.

Speaker 9 (18:11):
Any pro any concession program?

Speaker 5 (18:15):
Why would I do that? Where is the question?

Speaker 9 (18:17):
Course, because you can't have a piece agreement. Now, you
can't have a peace agreement unless both sides give and get.
You can't have a piece agreement unless both sides make concessions.
That's a fact, that's true, and virtually any negotiation if not,
it's just called surrender. And neither side is going to surrender.
So both sides are going to have to make concessions. So,
of course concessions were asked. But what utility would there

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be of me going on a program and tell you
we've wagged our finger at Putin and told them you
must do this, and you must do that. It's only makeing,
It's only gonna make it harder and less likely that
they're going to agree to these things. So these negotiations,
as much as everyone would love it to be a live,
pay per view event, these discussions only work best when
they are conducted privately. In negotiating serious negotiations.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
In which people who have to go back can.

Speaker 9 (19:00):
Respond to constituencies, because even solitarian governments have constituencies they
have to respond to. People have to go back and
defend these agreements that they make and so and figure
out a way to explain them to people. So we
need to create space for concessions to be made. But
of course concessions were asked.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Okay, that Mark Arrubio master class yesterday, I'm telling you.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
A master class. When we get back, I want to
talk just for a moment.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I don't want to spend a lot of time on
Ukraine because honestly, I've lost interest, and if that is terrible,
I've just lost interest in the Ukraine War because it
feels intractable, and I, for one am done with intractable battles.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
I'm just done.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
I just can't be bothered anymore. But I do want
to talk about the way this is all playing out
versus the way that government has operated in the past,
full of leaks, lots of you know, information being dripped
to the press that almost seemed designed to torpedo whatever
progress was being made. It's it's a fast situation. We'll

(20:01):
also talk about what piece might look like right after
this talking about some audio by Secretary of State Mark Rubio.
I thought his performances yesterday on the Sunday shows were
absolutely fantastic, And I got one more SoundBite for you
from me the press, and this one is simply him
explaining whose war this is.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Well, first of.

Speaker 9 (20:22):
All, the Russians are already facing very severe consequences that
there's not a single sanction that's been lifted, and not one,
I mean, they're facing all the same sanctions that have
been in place today. All the American support continues for Ukraine,
and ultimately, look, if we're not going to be able
to reach an agreement here at any point, then there
are going to be consequences. Though not only are the
consequences of the war continuing, but the consequences of all

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those sanctions continuing and potentially new sanctions on top of
it as well. But what we're trying to do right
now is end the war. And in order to end
the war, you've got to give every opportunity that exists.
You have to you have to be open any opportunity
that exists to bring it about. And here's the thing
to remind everybody. And when the President says, this is
not our war, but let's be frank, this is not
our war. The United States is not in a war.

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Ukraine is in a war, and we've been supporting Ukraine.
We happen to be in the role of the only
country in the world. We're the only leader in the
world that can actually bring put into a table to
even discuss these things.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Now.

Speaker 9 (21:15):
The President has traveled, you know, all the way to
Alaska all the way back, has dedicated months and months
of work him, our entire team on this matter because
we want to see an end of the war. But
if tomorrow the war continues, life in America will not
be fundamentally altered. So I think that we have to
understand is that this has been a priority for this
president because he wants to promote peace.

Speaker 11 (21:35):
He wants to promote the end of a war, and.

Speaker 9 (21:37):
I think we should be happy that we have a
president that's trying to promote peace and bring a war
to an end.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
And I, for one, am happy.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
I truly believe that Donald Trump thinks that war is
a stupid waste of human life and resources.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
And he's not wrong. War is the.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Biggest, dumbest waste of money and human beings and resources
and all of that stuff.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I mean, it just is.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
And I really believe that he wants peace everywhere because
then he wants everyone to do well and then everyone
is going to be happy, which is an incredibly Pollyanna
way of looking at the entire world. Now, some places
when there are people do better, and you know, the
economy rises and people are happy and they feel like
they can be somewhere and raise their kids. Well, yeah,

(22:24):
then you're gonna have a lot more stability than you
do in nations where people have no idea where their
next meal is coming from.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
I got a text message.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
When I said, you know, he gave an absolute masterclass.
The texter said masterclass in stupidity. So I texted back
and said, how so, which part of any of this
is wrong? I mean, we're not dealing with Islamis in
this situation. Let's just say, let's just say that Vladimir

(22:52):
Putin does want all of Ukraine. Let's just say, for
the point of this argument, that is not necessarily our
problem until they roll into an a donation. And I
don't mean to be dismissive for the people of Ukraine,
I really don't. I don't want them to have to
live under Russian rule if they don't want to. But ultimately,
that's their fight, not mine. So you know, you look

(23:13):
at this stuff and you start to wonder, like, why
are we so incredibly invested. And if Trump really wants
peace in the region and he can bring everybody to
the table by using economic leverage to get them there,
then we should absolutely be celebrating that. But boy, the
people on the left who have forgotten that Barack Obama

(23:35):
has met with Vladimir Putin, Joe Biden met with Vladimir Putin,
They've all met with Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Now, all of a sudden, meeting with Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Is the worst thing you can do. Did you see
the red carpet? Like it or not, Vladimir Putin is
a world leader. Do I trust him new Do I
think he's a bad dude?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Do I think he is. He would be love to
see the over the overseeing of the getting the band
back together in the Soviet Union. One hundred percent. I
believe that he's a KGB guy. He's shifty, he's shady.
He should not be believed. But the reality is, if
you're really trying to work towards peace, you got to
engage with the guy and see what happens. And that's

(24:20):
exactly what Marco Rubio said in three different ways. Now,
let's talk about what that would look like for Ukraine.
Nothing has been given up. There are maps on TV
that say, oh, you know, Rorsa is going to take
all of these old this land. There's no way Ukraine
is getting CRIMEA back. That is not happening. Crimea was
invaded in the Obama administration. They didn't do anything. Nobody
in the world did anything. As a matter of fact,

(24:42):
I've got a story linked on the blog today about
Obama's reaction to that. Someone asked him about it fairly recently,
I guess in June of this of twenty twenty three,
former US President Barack Obama, whose second term fell on
Russia's annexation of crime and its invasion of Dnvas explained

(25:03):
the lack of active support for Kiev from the West
compared to the events of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
This is a quote.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
There's a reason why there was not an armed invasion
of Crimea because Crimeria was full of Russian speakers and
there was some sympathy to the view that Russia was
representing its interests. The Ukrainian parliament at the time still
had a number of Russian sympathizers. The politics inside Ukraine
were more complicated, of course, of course Nuance Nuance. Essentially

(25:37):
Crimea wanted it, right, I mean, everybody knew it. Crimea
was asking for it. Did you see what Crimea was wearing.
So that's why Barack Obama did nothing about Crimea. Crimea
is not coming back to Ukraine the best Ukraine can
hope for the absolute best, in my view, and I

(25:59):
don't even think this will happen. The biggest ask they
could get is to return to their eastern border. I
don't think they even get that. But we'll see if
they're sick of fighting enough. We'll see if Donald Trump's
sanctions are enough to actually bring putin to the table.
What's going to be interesting is to see what the
security guarantees look like. Zero percent chance that Ukraine will

(26:20):
join NATO. In my view, you can't make this work
and put Ukraine in NATO because that violates an agreement
made back in nineteen ninety, which we've already violated multiple times.
But that's neither here nor there. We won't talk about that.
We'll just pretend that never happened. We promised we would
not expand NATO to the east. You know, I saw,
and I cannot, for the life of me remember who

(26:42):
it was that was saying this. And it was a
former governmental official, and it wasn't Henry Kissinger, but it
was someone Kissinger like in this interview that I watched.
In this interview was years ago, and in the interview,
this guy was taking everyone to task, not everyone, but
just the government for the way they handled the fall

(27:03):
of the Iron Curtain. And the point that this person
was making was that had we treated Russia like they
were still a world power worthy of, you know, bringing
them into all of the difficult conversations and getting them
involved in a very vocal way, we would have allowed
them to save face and honor and saving face are

(27:24):
very important in Russian culture. You see that by the
ridiculous photographs that Putin puts out of himself, you know,
shirtless on horseback kind of thing. And if we had
just handled that differently, then maybe we could have taken
Russia from being sort of a geopolitical foe to being
a you know, not ally per se, but less aggressive,

(27:47):
especially as they are showing themselves to be now. And
I think there's a lot to be said for that,
So we shall see. Mandy says this texture at the
Common Spirit Health text line at five sixty six nine zero, Mandy,
until Western Europe stops supporting Russia by buying the oil
and gas, Russia isn't stopping, correct, but that is part
of the sanctions that have worked out, and as part

(28:09):
of the trade deal struck with the European Union, they've
committed to buying more of our oil and gas. What
needs to happen, honestly, to really stop the whole thing
is to flood the market with American oil and gas.
Just flood the market, Just crater the price of a

(28:29):
gallon of gas. Give the oil companies whatever they need
to make that happen. Give them tax breaks, give them
tax benefits to cover the losses, and just tell them
to tank the oil market, and you will starve Russia
very very quickly at that point, because there's no way
to get around low prices. You can get around sanctions,
there's always going to be bad actors willing to help
you get around the sanctions, but you cannot get around.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
The market right. You just can't. And if oils forty.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Bucks a gallon or a barrel, that crushes Russia. But
unfortunately no one in power listens to this show. You
guys have a lot of comments on the Common Spirit
Health text line. Mandy, which oil companies are on board
to decimate the price of oil? I don't have the details, people,
but ultimately, if I'm the president, let me just give
you the if Mandy is presidents scenario. If Mandy is president,

(29:19):
I would go to Congress and say, we need to
talk to the heads of oil companies and find out
what kind of tax breaks they need to be able
to eat three years of really low oil prices. We
just we got to find out. We got to figure
out a way to keep them in business while they
are producing just a gobs and gobs of oil. And

(29:40):
then you go to Congress and I realize this is tough,
but you go to Congress and say, look, we've got
we're gonna end this war. We're not only gonna end
this war, we're gonna destabilize Iron by creatoring their economy
at the exact same time. And oh, by the way,
let's just talk about we can finish off in Venezuela
while we're at it. And then you put in the
tax code what needs to be done with a hard
sunset years, and then let's go.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
At least make the effort.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Sanctions work to a certain extent, but they're never going
to be able to completely do what you need to
have happen, which is to starve Russia of all of
their income. And the only way to do that is
to take the price of oil. I just pulled this
up about the UK and how much oil they're still

(30:30):
buying from Russia. I mean, they're still buying a crap
ton of oil from Russia. And they're hoping, hoping to
phase out those oil purchases oil and gas purchases by
the end of twenty twenty seven. That's an absurdly long timeline.

(30:50):
So we're looking what two more years of Europe paying
for both sides of the Europe Ukraine conflict, which is
exactly what's happening. They're buying rer and gas. And here's
the kicker, you guys. The EU says they are.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Going to accomplish this by adding.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
More renewable energy to their portfolio, which means that across
Europe energy is going to be even more expensive and
even less reliable.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
So you know what will happen.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
They'll keep buying Russian oil and gas because they have
no choice. I mean, the absurdity of this whole thing
is mind blowing. By the way, President Zelensky at the
White House right now, he's wearing a suit. I can't
wait for the Democrats to say he was bullied into
wearing a suit. If you heard Margaret Brandon earlier talking

(31:43):
about they're worried he's going to be bullied, like he's
some seventh grader with acne, you know, and ninety eight
pound weekling level stuff. He's in the middle of a
war and you're worried about him being bullied. Oh my god,
term's going to bully him and he's no. Come on, people,
come on, when we get back. If you or someone

(32:03):
you love is a disabled American veteran. You're gonna want
to hear my next guest because there's an event coming
up this weekend to help either veterans who have developed
a disability or disabled veterans who need a new disability rating.
We'll talk to you about what you can do this
weekend to make that happen.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Coming up next, The Mandy Connell Show is sponsored by
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Speaker 2 (32:26):
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Speaker 4 (32:48):
Welcome to the second hour of the show. I'm your
host for the next two hours. Mandy Connell joined my
Anthony Rodriguez.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
You can call it.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
You can call him hot Rod. As one of our
text suggested, if you see the video he put on
the blog today, you will understand that joining me now though,
is a couple of people from Disabled American Veterans. They
are an organization that provides incredible services to veterans who
are making the transition, especially disabled veterans, and one of
the things they do is help veterans navigate the Veteran

(33:21):
Disability System, which as the wife of a disabled veteran,
I can tell you is I'm not saying it's purposely
designed to obfuse gate, but it sort of feels that
way when you're trying to navigate your way through it.
And joining me now to talk about an event coming
up this weekend in Lakewood. I've got Britney Costa, she's
the Assistant Department Adjutant Expo Committee and she's going to

(33:44):
talk to us about the local event. And then we
also have Jerry Squires, a National Service Officer, Benefits Production Team,
Chairman Finance Committee, United Veterans Coalition XCOM, United Veterans Coalition Legislation.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
Jerry's a real slouch and he is incredibly.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Well versed when it comes to navigating the system.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
That I talked about.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
So let me start with you.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
Jerry.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
First of all, welcome to the show. And let me
ask the question, is it made complicated on purpose or
does it just feel that way?

Speaker 12 (34:18):
Oh? Yeah, thanks Mandy, I thank you for the time
and being on the show today. But yeah, it does
feel like that at times now. It is very frustrating
and for most veterans to try to follow these claims.

Speaker 13 (34:29):
I was one of them.

Speaker 12 (34:30):
I've been doing this for DEAV for ten years now
and I had a very similar process where I tried
to follow my own claims.

Speaker 13 (34:36):
I went to the VA, hit the run around. I
got very frustrated.

Speaker 12 (34:39):
So the job that we do here as National Service
Office is very personal to us because we do have
the context, the frame of preference.

Speaker 13 (34:45):
We've been there, we've seen that, we've lived it. Now.
The system in and of itself is not meant to
be as difficult as it seems.

Speaker 12 (34:54):
It can be, you know, kind of streamlined if you
do have representation, which I always recommend any veteran in
this out there they're thinking about filing claims, access and
the benefits they earned through their service, reach out and
make contact with the Veterans Services to organization either VAV,
American Legion, the VFW. There's a lot of different accredited
representatives out there. They can help and provide the service
for free. So it is not designed that way, but

(35:17):
it does, you know, seem to fall into the red
tape and the fire coaches, so we've got to jump
through as a perception for sure.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Let me ask you a question that I thought about
for No reason the other day, this is just how
my brain works. Are there more common disabilities for members
of the service. Do you have sort of these categories
that are more likely to lead to a disability rating
than others?

Speaker 12 (35:44):
So there are some common ones. The most common ones
we usually see is going to be like caring loss senatives.
Everything we do in the military is extremely loud. I
was a Marine Corps artilleryman, so I was around howitzers
all the time. So those are the type of experiences
that the VA is looking for now with the hearing
loss intendatus. The reason why it is one of the
most common disabilities because it's not something you need to

(36:05):
complain about that needs to be documented from a military service.

Speaker 13 (36:09):
What they're really looking for is the you know, hazardous.

Speaker 12 (36:12):
Noise exposure that you could potentially be around based on
your MOS or your job while you're in the military.
If the VA you can conceive that you've had a
moderate it's a high probability of hazardous noise exposure, they
can conceive that very first pillar out of the three
maybe that d service event, and if you have hearing
loss and intendatives today, that could be enough. The case
you went for a compensation and pension exam, an audiological

(36:33):
examination to determine the severity of the hearing loss and
determine whether or not you have tenatus, and if you do,
get a medical opinion establishing that it is at least
as likely as not that tendtist or hearing loss is
related to military service.

Speaker 13 (36:45):
So I would say that's probably one of the most common.

Speaker 12 (36:47):
And you know, we've all seen the memes and you know,
the different videos on YouTube and stuff like that where
you see the pictures, Like I said, I was a marine.
Everything we carry is very heavy, and you see this
veteran carrying the heavy pack on his back and then
he says he goes with via file claim and they're
telling him, while your back pain is not related to
military service. So again, those type of injuries are.

Speaker 13 (37:07):
Very common and it's not you know, detrimental.

Speaker 12 (37:10):
A lot of veterans get you know, kind of dissuaded
to file claims because they might not have complained about
it in service. And I always advise veterans that's not necessary, right,
It's it's always better. It makes it a little bit
easier path to have the objective evidence of treatment while
you're in the military. But it's not mandatory, So it's
always good to reach out to the representative talk about
the different disabilities that you have so that we can

(37:31):
then kind of point in the right direction, tell you
what type of evidence might be needed to help substantiate
that claim, because there are also a lot out there.
Even from you know, direct service connection, there are secondary claims,
meaning if you have a bad back that is service connected,
maybe you've got some nerve root impedement causing some lower extremnity, numbness,
tingling issues. Those are secondary disabilities. It's not directly related

(37:52):
to service, but it's secondary to that primary service connected disability.
And the third most common way would be based on presumption.
So we're talking about va an Am era veterans where
they're in Vietnam, they were in Thailand, and they were
in these different locations where they know they were exposed
to agent orange. They had been legislation that's been passed.
It recognizes certain disabilities associated with that type of exposure.

(38:12):
Back in twenty twenty two, they passed the pack Deck
which did recognize burnpit exposure for Gulf War veterans from
August nineteen ninety forward and again has a list of
different presumpted disabilities. And what that presumption means is it again,
you don't need the in service event. You don't need
to be complaining about well, I couldn't have troubled breathing
while I was in the military. If they can put
you there time to take place and concede that, yeah,

(38:34):
you were exposed, we can file the claim, potentially get
that service connected based on presumptions.

Speaker 13 (38:38):
But I would say those are probably the most common.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Well, and the reason I asked that, Jerry, is, you know,
I'm married to a disabled VET. He got shot in combat,
he was wounded in combat, so his disabilities have been
well known, at least part of them had been well known.
But in the twenty you know years that I've been
with him, he has become more and more decrepit. Right,
just it just goes that way. And I know, oh,
he's not alone because a lot of his friends that

(39:02):
are his age at this point now they're having this
sort of cascade of physical issues. And I wanted to
ask you the question, which is, even if you don't think,
even if you go look, I was out of the
military thirty years ago, and now I'm having horrific back issues.
And I'm having all this stuff. What I just heard
from you is that you should probably investigate it anyway, right,

(39:26):
That's right.

Speaker 12 (39:27):
That's right, Yeah, just because you didn't complain about it. Again,
I'm Marine Corps, right, so Marine Corps around combat forces,
I was there from invasion by Irack. So I get
these things, and we don't complain about stuff. You suck
it up, you deal with it. I mean, it's just
the mentality that is brought into you. And unfortunately, when
veterans separate or service members separate, they still have that mentality.
It's kind of a roadblock We've got to get over

(39:48):
and understand that. You know, if we're having pain, we're
having issues, we need to go get a documented and
talk to people about it and follow the claims for it.
Because again, personal statements a statement from a veteran that
kind of explains, you know, try.

Speaker 13 (40:01):
To get vestors to provide personal statements.

Speaker 12 (40:03):
Chronologically, I came in the military, and nothing happened was
bad with my back while I was in the military.

Speaker 13 (40:08):
I did X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 12 (40:09):
This is what occurred while I was in the military,
and since I separated, this is what I've been dealing
with since that.

Speaker 13 (40:14):
Point in time.

Speaker 12 (40:16):
The other thing they can possibly do is try to
get some Boddy statements and lay witness statements from people
they might have served with who might have observed the
injury or them complaining about pain. All of this can
help build that, you know, establish from that first pillar
that in service event. So even though they might not
have followed a claim for it, they definitely can and
they should investigate it and make contact with us so

(40:36):
we can try to point them in the right direction.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Well, we're going to tell people in just a moment
when we talk to Brittany about an event coming up
this Saturday where if you're hearing this going, wait a minute,
maybe I should look into it. We'll get to that
one second. I have one more question for you, Terry.
Is it possible This is from our Common Spirit Health
text line. Hi Mandy, is it possible for National Guard
veterans to get a disability rating? I was in the
field artillery and have hearing loss.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
No.

Speaker 12 (41:00):
Absolutely, so it can be a little bit more difficult
for National Guardsman reservists the VA. What they're looking at
is the active period of service, So anytime they are
on drill weekends.

Speaker 13 (41:11):
They're two weeks a year. If there's any title ten,
title thirty two orders, they might.

Speaker 12 (41:16):
Have been activated for any injuries sustained that they had
during those periods of time. They can definitely take into
consideration as direct service connection. Now again with hearing loss
and tenatus, if you served and filled artillery, again, it's
a high probability of noise exposure. I was around in
one nine ra's one five to five millimeter houisers and
I can tell you when they go off, you know it.

(41:37):
So if he did experience something like that, absolutely I
would recommend he'd come out to the claim event that
we're going to do Saturday.

Speaker 13 (41:43):
At chapter seven was I'm sure, Brittany.

Speaker 12 (41:45):
You'll fill you in on we can, you know, at
least discuss it and kind of establish representation potentially help
them follow claims.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Okay, let me get to Brittany. Brittany, let me ask
you this. We already did one of these events in
Fort Morgan or Fort Lupton. What are the fourths up there?
I never remember. I always mix them up. I don't
mean to insult the lovely people of Fort Lefton or
Fort Morgan, but I mix you up. How did that
event go and what were you guys able to accomplish.

Speaker 14 (42:10):
Hey, Mandy, that event was excellent, thanks for asking.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
Jerry and I were there, and there were over fifty
veterans who came registered learned about the claims process from
a farm short information session that Jerry and his colleagues gave,
and then they each sat down with a National Service
officer like Jerry and discussed their issues that they're having,

(42:35):
that they're experiencing, and then they either established you know,
an intent to file, which is the first step in
filing a claim and working with these service officers, and
then that way they can the service officers can follow up.

Speaker 14 (42:48):
With those veterans.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
So more than fifty different veterans with their own laundry
list of issues, if you will.

Speaker 14 (42:55):
And I say that because I am one of those.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Yeah, so I was able.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
I was lucky enough to work with these these wonderful
service officers and get my claim done.

Speaker 14 (43:04):
It took over four years, the percent permanent total, and
I'm so grateful for that. So I'm telling you come
to this event. It is this Saturday, August twenty third.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
We're starting at ten am, and that is because our
information session starts at ten am. So if you can
get there a little bit before sign in. I'll be
there to register if you can come see me, Brittany,
I'll have my little name tag on. I'll be there
registering everyone with some of our auxiliary members and hope
to get you some information to get you connected with

(43:37):
these service officers and get you started.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
So do they need to bring anything on Saturday? Or
do they just show up with their litany of complaint?
How what expedites the process?

Speaker 6 (43:51):
I'm so glad that you asked, so Jerry, correct me
if I'm wrong, But they are going to need their
d D two fourteen.

Speaker 14 (43:58):
That is definitely the moment it's important.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
Most likely some sort of unidentification, not sure if that's needed,
but anything else that you have. If you are recently
getting out of service and you have some sort of
medical records that are you know that could be a
scant in or something or given. I don't we don't
take physical copies, but you know, medical records d D
two fourteen, stuff that pertain to your issues. I think

(44:24):
what's most important as well is to is to know
what you are coming to file acclaim.

Speaker 14 (44:29):
About or I know what topics to talk about? What
are your current issue symptoms?

Speaker 6 (44:35):
That you're experiencing that you know are most likely due
to service and you need to get help.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Well, maybe sit down this week at some point, give
it some thought, jot down a little list so you
don't forget something when you're there on Saturday. Because I mean,
if honestly, like my husband has a spreadsheet of surgeries
because there's thirty, you know, and if somebody asks you
about this stuff, then you're like, Okay, here's my spreadsheet.
You can just copy that. Just because sometimes it does

(45:00):
get a little you get a little flustered. So maybe
think about those things, Jerry, from your perspective, Is there
anything else that they can bring to expedite the process?

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (45:11):
Yeah, man? You so again, the DGC fourteen is always good.

Speaker 12 (45:14):
Having an idea of exactly what disabilities you're dealing with
that you wanted to try to follow Claim force always recommended.
Now I will cave you at that because you know,
a lot of times we're doing these information seminars, we
don't hold representation for a lot of the veterans that
we're speaking with, so the information we're going to provide
to them is going to be very general in nature.
I can't give you specific details about exactly the path

(45:34):
we need to navigate unless we can access those records
from VA.

Speaker 13 (45:37):
So that's typically what we're doing.

Speaker 12 (45:39):
We're providing a lot of information, general information about DAV
what we do, the different program services we provide, as
well as establishing representation for these veterans. And that can't
take a couple of days. So if you show up
on Saturday, you're more than welcome to come. I encourage
everyone to come. Just understand that it might be limited
to the amount of information that we have access to,
an amount of information that we can promi you on

(46:00):
that day, but again, come out, we can establish that
representation and get the ball home.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Okay, Brittany, give the details one more time, the where
the wind all that good stuff? This Saturday. What's that
address again?

Speaker 6 (46:12):
Yes, So Saturday, August twenty third, we're going to be
at fourteen eighty Hoitt Street, Lakewood.

Speaker 14 (46:19):
That's one four eight zero Hoitt Street. If you're on
Collfax and.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
You're trying to figure out where to go, look behind
the Hamburger stand, the big yel Hamburgerstan, the building with
the pole, the flagpoles in the back, that's us. So
fourteen eighty Hoyt Street, Lakewood Show at four ten am.
We'll get you signed in, we'll get you at some
snacks and you listen to the information seminar and then
you can sit down with our National Service officers. Again,
this is for new claims and if you're interested in

(46:47):
doing an increase to any current claims, okay, But like
Jerry said, there is the caveat. It depends if they
have access to your records or not, so that will
be a conversation you can have at this event.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
All right.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
I also put all of that information on Today's blog.
I have the address, the times, the whole nine yards.
So if you can't remember that, or you you know,
forget it later, just go to Today's blog. You're gonna
find it there. Jerry, I want to ask you one
more question before I let you guys go, and that
is if someone has been turned down in the past
for a disability claim, is it worth them trying again?

Speaker 12 (47:22):
Absolutely, Mandy, I mean it. I always tell veterans that
it doesn't surprise me in the via deny something. It's
a game of persistence, right You hear Britney talk about
it took her four years. I mean to get her
claim square away. It took me about eight years to
get my clas quarterway before you know anything about you know,
finally claims the VA. So it is a game of persistence, right.
We can't just throw our hands up and get frustrated

(47:42):
and walk away.

Speaker 13 (47:43):
We've got to, you know, re engage.

Speaker 12 (47:45):
We've got to reassess and try to figure out what's
the best past to navigate there. So if it's something's
previously been denied, we can always reopen that through assultlemental
claim process with new and relevant evidence.

Speaker 13 (47:55):
And that's where National Service officers come into play.

Speaker 12 (47:57):
We are experts, are looking at prior to decisions, looking
at the previous exams that might have been done from
the composition and pension, and really point out the details
that a veteran needs to know.

Speaker 13 (48:08):
So we can say this is the type of evidence
I would.

Speaker 12 (48:10):
Recommend you to try to obtain, and then when you
bring that back we can follow suth metal claim.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Okay, this is such great information, guys. The event is
Saturday from ten am to two pm at their location
in Lakewood. It is fourteen eighty Hoyt Street.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
Go do this, veterans.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
These are benefits that you have earned and as I
like to tell people, you know, I always love it
when people say they just, you know, why do we
take care of our veterans. I'm like, the military beats
people up mentally and physically in a way that nothing
else does. I truly believe that. I really truly believe that.
And because of that, I think they have a responsibility

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to try and put them back together the best they
can when they get out. That's just the way I
feel about it. Britney Consta and Jerry Squire, thank you
for your time today and for all you do to
help the veterans in not just our area but everywhere.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
I really appreciate what you're doing.

Speaker 15 (49:02):
Well.

Speaker 13 (49:02):
Thank you, Mandy. We appreciate you. Thank you, Mandy.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
All Right, guys, we will talk to you again soon
when they have it. Think about that, you guys, And
don't get me wrong, I realize that disability fraud is
a huge problem.

Speaker 7 (49:14):
I really do.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
But eight years.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
That is shameful, Just shameful. Mandy.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
What does established representation mean and why is it important?
You know, when you sign those forms at your doctor's
office about who can have access to your information, that
is the form we're talking about, and you have to
have an established relationship, like the DAV can't just go, Hey,
I'm gonna go find Mandy's husband's Chucks records and try
and help him without him knowing. You have to give

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permission for them to have access to your records, and
that's where that established representation comes in. So that's all
that is to the person who said, hello, our family,
Our father was a campus un during the contaminated watertime
for six months active duty, passed away from corectal cancel,
cancer and dementia, and we have lawyers. Do you know
when they can move forward with these cases? That is

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a completely separate animal altogether, So that would be a
better question for your attorneys, not the DAV Mandy. When
will they be in the springs? I was active duty
for fourteen years, primarily light infantry and finished up with
eighteenth Core and believe my neck issues are related to
exiting airplanes while they were still moving, and that is

(50:28):
probably accurate. Hang on one second, let me see here,
I might have that one. They've got one coming up
at knob Hill, and I don't know if they have
one coming up in the Springs. But text and anyone
else outside of these immediate areas. You can go to
dav dot org. Dav dot org find a group near you.

(50:51):
You can do all of this stuff directly with DAV.
These events that they have are not the only way
you can do this, So you don't have to wait
until Saturday. You can go ahead and give them a call,
you know, get their help now. So I don't want
you to think this is the only opportunity to do this,
because it is not. Anyway, DAV says, this Texter is

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a great organization. My late father and fellow veterans formed
a charter in our hometown years ago. My frustration is
with the solicitation arm of DAV. Weekly requests are outrageous.
Do not wish to have automatic deductions, but donate when
I'm able financially. And here's the thing, you guys, how

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many fundraising emails is the problem that every organization who
relies on donations has, right, it really does. So maybe
don't sign up for that, or maybe opt out, which
is bad, but you know everybody has to allow you
to opt out.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
It's just that's the rules.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Now, when we get back, we've got to talk about
the Colorado budget stuff, because last week I lost my
mind when Colorado Democrats are running around trying to say
that this budget hole is the fault of congressional Republicans.
I mean, it's just so patently absurd on so many
levels and insulting and gas lighting. But Advanced Colorado's Michael

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Fields did a phenomenal column explaining the roots of all this,
which is overspending and mismanagement and taking one time funds
that were supposed to be COVID related and using them
for ongoing expenses, which is what we've been doing. And
so I want you armed to the teeth with information

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that you can then share with other people. Do not
let the Democrats try to pass this off. Do not
let them try to say that it was the big
beautiful Bill that is the problem. The big beautiful Bill
made the problem worse. But the problem went from manageable
to not so manageable. And if we had people in
the legislature that were serious about doing something about this issue,

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because it's not going to change anytime soon, they would
be drastically cutting some of the fat and spending in
pet projects that they've shoved through in the last five years.
But they're not even talking about it. They're just talking
about raising taxes. We'll do that next. The legislature has
a one point two billion dollar hole to fill, actually
a seven hundred and eighty three million dollar deficit, I

(53:20):
should say, and I've been super frustrated because the notion
that somehow this is all the responsibility of the big
beautiful bill is just asinine.

Speaker 11 (53:28):
But I'm gonna let.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Michael Fields share with you why and how asinine it
really is. Just three years ago, he starts his call
on Coloradin's were receiving seven hundred and fifty dollars tabor
refund checks in the mail because the state had a
surplus of three point six billion dollars. Now legislators are

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being called back to the capitol for a special session
to deal with a seven hundred and eighty three million
dollar deficit. The contrast couldn't be starker. The good news
is that the budget, because it is essentially money going
back into the pockets of hard work in Colorado's, about
four hundred and sixty million of it comes from individual
income tax relief, with at least two hundred and ninety

(54:11):
million of that coming from twenty twenty five tax breaks
on overtime. The rest of the money is going to
cut taxes for businesses, many of them small and family owned,
that create jobs and keep the cost of living lower.
When you hear liberals say they have to cover a deficit,
remember that the reality is people are getting their money
back and that's better than the government spending it. Keep

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in mind that Colorado's budget isn't small. It has grown slow,
and it hasn't grown slowly. The twenty twenty five budget
was a whopping forty four billion dollars. What's more, the
budget has grown fifty percent over the last five years.
Cutting seven hundred and eighty three million from a forty
four billion dollar budget means cutting less than three percent.

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How many families have sat around kitchen tables Colorado deciding
how to cut three percent or more from their budget
to make ends meet with our high cost of living.
None of these working families got to raise revenue from
someone else to pay their expenses. They had to get serious,
trim spending and fix their budgets. Somehow, the legislature and
the governor thinks this is too much to ask of

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the state government. So what happened between twenty twenty two
and today? How did we get here? Simply put, Colorado
continued to get worse on many of the metrics that matter.
Our cost of doing business has risen, were now ranked
thirty eighth in the nation. CNBC ranks Colorado's cost of
living as the third highest in the nation and gives

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US an f our Population growth has fallen fifty three
percent over the last decade. According to Congress's Joint Economic Committee,
Colorado had the highest rate of inflation in the nation
in twenty twenty one. Through twenty twenty four, US News
and World Report rated Colorado as the second most dangerous
state in the nation. Recently, we've reach into the top

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of nearly all the bad lists, reaching number one in auto, thef's,
cocaine use, and bank robberies. Liberal policies have created much
of this and made it all much worse. Good hard
working people are simply being chased.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Out of the state.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
We can look at sales tax for another clue. The
city of Denver has a two hundred and fifty million
dollar budget hole, largely due to sales tax collections being lower,
and not because the city cuts taxes. It's because fewer
people are choosing to spend their money in Denver. Colorado
overall had a nearly two percent decline in inflation adjusted
and population adjusted sales tax, significantly worse than neighboring states

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such as Utah and Wyoming, which had over four percent
growth in adjusted sales tax. We can also see that
the state government has a spending problem. The state is
spending our money faster than it can bring it in.
From twenty ten to twenty twenty five, Colorado's general fund
is spending increased one hundred and thirty four percent. Rather

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than acknowledge this level of spending spikes is irresponsible and unsustainable,
liberal leaders are blaming federal.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
Tax cuts for causing budget gaps.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
A few examples of government over spending and waste include
six hundred and twenty eight million in grants to non
governmental organizations over the last ten years, tripling in the
last three years under Governor Jared Polis, nine million dollars
in film grants, one point five million dollars in video
game grants, three million in the Marijuana Entrepreneurs Fund, four

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million in grants to Aspen based companies and organizations, and
six hundred to seven hundred new full time state employees
in the police administration. It's no wonder revenue is down
it's harder for businesses to survive here. And despite the
liberal's desire to constantly blame the federal government, many of
our problems are unique to Colorado. Not every state budget

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so poorly and then blame someone else for the results.
Our taxpayer bill of rights is unique to Colorado, and
it's receiving a special amount of anger from elected liberals.
Over seventy percent of Colorado's support TABOR. By the way,
State Senator Jeff Bridges, chairman of the legislature's Joint Budget Committee,
constantly claims TABOR is the reason why why Colorado can't

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afford the liberal priorities in the budget. The chair of
the Colorado Democrats tried to blame the Republicans in Congress
along with Taber for robbing Colorado's He wrote on x
formerly Twitter that TABOR robs Colorado of fully funded schools,
great roads, and good services. During the special session, you're
going to hear that the federal government and TABOR took

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your refunds and your tax credits away. But Colorados aren't
so easily deceived. These Tabor blaming claims are coming from
the same politicians who try to remove future Tabor refunds
from the people with Prop CC and Prop HH, both
which were soundly defeated at the ballot box. What's more,
their Tabor claims aren't accurate. The tax credits these liberals

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are referring to include the earned income tax credit, which
is only given out when we have tabor surpluses. Apparently
this tax credit was important to them when they could
take the funds from TABOR money, but not when it
would have to come out of their own general fund budget.
Months before the special session was announced and before HR
one was passed, state data accurately showed that there would

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be no TABOR refunds this year. There was never going
to be an earned income tax credit either. The budget
surplus was completely blown well before the federal tax bill
was passed. It's convenient to cry Wilson blame the federal government,
but it's liberals decisions. They're eliminating tax credits from families,
and that's not all. They're intentionally taxing working families even more.

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HB twenty five twelve ninety six, passed in the regular
legislative session, ensured that regardless of the federal tax break
on overtime pay, Colorado po will continue to tax overtime
starting back up in twenty twenty six. This is a
tax increase that violates Tabor and Advance Colorado, along with
Senator Barbara Kirkmeyer and Fremont Commissioner Kevin Grantham have brought

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up a lawsuit against it. Prior to the special session announcement,
reports indicated the legislature plan to speed up taxes on
overtime and add tips to the bill, charging working families
more this year. Thankfully, when their plans were exposed, people
got active contacting their legislators and governor, and the planned
to tax working families even more was scrapped. Since the

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state can't manage its ballooning budget, it prefers to make
working families pay. But when that doesn't work, it turns
to the businesses that employ them. There's a specific plan
to raise revenue ie increase taxes on Colorado businesses during
the special session. We can expect our ranking of thirty
eighth in the nation in the cost to do business

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to fall even lower next year. These same businesses that
are being targeted by the governor are the ones employing
Colorado's creating jobs and generating sales. Tax policies have consequences,
and state policies have led us to this moment. But
despite the mess liberal politicians have created for us, there's
always hope that we can make things better. Colorado is

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a great state. Our workforce is ranked seventh best.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
In the nation.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
What the people need is responsible elected officials who can
acknowledge their fault in how we got to this point
after admitting what they did to cause the crisis. Our
leaders should stop bashing TABOR and work to protect it.
It's what the people want. No same year tax change
should be passed during the special session. That's a violation
of TABOR, and in a twenty twenty six change must

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be sent to voters. Legislators should also reverse their anti
business policies so we don't run deficits. They should manage
the budget more realistically. They must enact pro growth policies
that don't lead to revenue shortfalls. Lawmakers should conduct a
line by line review of the state government spending to
identify and cut excessive and wasteful spending of taxpayer dollars.

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The state must examine how it can be more efficient
with taxpayer dollars. Rather than calling for more revenue to
feed the beast. Ultimately, the goal should be able to
should be to create more opportunity for more Colorado's now
is the time to start that From Michael Fields, he's
the president of Advanced Colorado and he is right on,
and I mean right on. Do not let them tell

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you that the structural deficit that exists in Colorado's budgeting
process is anyone else's fault, but their own will be
right back. It's called K Pop Dragon or Demon Hunters. Yes,
and my daughter I talked about this some time ago.
My daughter comes to us and says, look, her nephews,

(01:02:49):
our grandsons want me to watch this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
Will you guys watch it with me? And I was like, sure,
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
I've actually gotten to really enjoy watching the things that
my daughter says, Hey, let's watch this because it gives
me a little window into pop culture. It gives me
a little window like what the kids today are doing.
So we sit down and watch this. The first ten
minutes really vapid, but then it kicks into high gear.
It's actually a really, really entertaining movie. And it's a musical.

(01:03:17):
So there's a K pop boy band, their Demons.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
Spoiler alert, are you team Huntrex or team Sogiboy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
I'm us one hundred percent. I'm not going to be
on the side of the demons, yeaky. But it has
all this Korean lore in it. It has kind of
a mysticism in it. That's very interesting, that's very much
a part of Korean lore.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
It was good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
And now the song you just heard is number one
on the Billboard charts right now.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
It is not just good, it is great.

Speaker 7 (01:03:43):
I finally jumped on because I had had enough of
hearing it from it Yeah, well no more so from
guys double my age raving about it, saying how incredible
it is.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
So why I'm nerdy about it is the animation.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
So it was made by Sony and I heard this
today and I don't know if it's true, but man,
I hope for Sony's sake it's not. Apparently Sony gave
it to Netflix thinking essentially that it wasn't going to
do spectacularly, and I think I saw that their revenue
was like capped at twenty million for it, and now
Netflix is reaping the benefits.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
But what else is really cool?

Speaker 7 (01:04:18):
If this animation looks familiar to you, it is the
similar animation too into the Spider Verse, the Spider Man movie.
That that basically the framing where it's called I don't
know if it's the official name of the style, it's
called twos, where every two.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
Frames the everything changes.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
Okay, so with some of the characters in this movie,
if you go every two, they only take a jump,
like it's like, you know, stop motion whatever, They take
a jump only every two frames. But in this movie
there's some characters, the bad guys, the demons, they move
every normal one frame. So there's that weird mixing of
the two. In the mixing of like the twos and
seeing that that animation style is very similar to that

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in the the Spider Verse. Very interesting. It's not an
oscar movie, but it's entertaining. I don't know, it's a
brain candy movie.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
Oh no, no, no, it's not it. No, people are talking,
people are talking oscars.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
The problem when you start talking about anything k pop
and k pop for those of you who don't know,
is Korean pop music and Korea is Korea is a
very interesting place culturally, as in Japan as well, because
they very much I don't want to say infantilize women,

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but it's it's like they almost set them up as
dolls in a way, like the fashion for young people
is very doll like it. It's just odd.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
It is a lot different than it is here and
you see that in this and that's a big part
of K pop. But because it's animated, you could run
this horse for forever.

Speaker 7 (01:05:53):
Oh they're already talking multiple sequels, potentially live action remake.
I'm gonna be honest, it's one of the coolest movies
I've seen in a law time.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
That was very honest.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
I loved it and I'm literally that girl on our blog.
I told everyone grand just lacking grand go watch K
Pop Hunters. I've wat I've told everyone about this movie
because it is so cool.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Hang on, let me see when I first mentioned it,
because I blog K Pop Demon Hunters.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
Because I I've listened to the soundtrack a couple The
music is awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
I first mentioned it on seven point thirty twenty fifth show.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Look at Me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
It came out and early adopter of the K Pop
Demon Hunters, I was surprised. But you know, one thing
I would say to grandparents who have trouble connecting with
your grandkids, lean in on some of their pop culture stuff.
Lean in on their music, and I will tell you
there's nothing better than the eye roll you get when
you say, oh my gosh, if you heard the new

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Justin Bieber album and they know you're trying, but honestly,
like the new Justin Bieber album is a little too
slow jam for my taste. I like his upbeat stuff more,
but it's very good. But just having those things in common,
calling your grandkids and going, hey, have you guys seen
K pop Demon Hunters? Should I watch it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Yeah? And then watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
It's an hour and twenty minutes. It's not even that long.
It's entertaining, it's it's brain candy, but it's it's fun.
And then you have another way to connect with the
young people in your lives. And I think that a
lot of older people feel like younger people should be
making the effort, when in reality, when you were a
young person, you didn't make the effort. We just don't.

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It's not how young people are wired. So make a
little bit of an effort and you might enjoy the
movie and then you can humme along with the songs
and tell them that you like soda pop better than
golden which, frankly I do.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
In our system too. Oh let's see Soda.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Pop of course by the Demon boy band that the
K Pop Demon Hunters are trying to stop that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
Oh well that's a shame. No, it's got some serious
rewatchability too.

Speaker 7 (01:07:54):
Like I said, I watched it by myself yesterday and
immediately last night rewatched it again to show my wife.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
It's like, you have to watch this. It is awesome.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
And I never thought I would be on this train.
I just sounded dumb tell I had no interest. I'm like,
all right, yeah, it's number one in like over twenty countries. Yeah,
it's on the charts. I got to give it a try,
and it's it's so entertaining, like there's no dull moment.
And again, meet being a super nerd, I've seen so
many breakdowns of other little little things that they do
in the film, Like I just told you about the

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different framing, just kind of the different lore and different stuff.
And again, every single moment, every little mini portion of
a scene is not lost, like they pay at ten.
They have so much attention to detail in the movie.
I don't know, I just really appreciate the hell out
of everything about that movie. Start to finish, K Pop.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Demon Hunters is on Netflix. Check it out when we
get back. The layoffs are happening this week at the
City of Denver. I've got a little inside info coming
up next.

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Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
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Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the third hour of the show.
I'm Mandy Connell. That guy right there's Anthony Rodriguez, you
can call him a rod coming up with.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
You a little bit later in the show.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
We're going to talk to Fox News's Guy Benson. He
is going to be part of the Steamboat Institute's Freedom Conference,
which is just an incredible, incredible event coming up very
very quickly, he said, we're going to talk to him
about that. I want to talk about a news story
that Keena just had, and that is that the city
of Denver is laying people off. And we knew this

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was coming. The mayor announced it some time ago, but
today he sent out a letter and I have the
letter in front of me. Dear team Denver, today I
wanted to share with you preliminary information on the impact
of payoffs and elimination of vacant positions. Over the last
year and a half, the city has been taking careful

(01:10:07):
and strategic steps to reduce our spending and anticipation of
financial challenges driven by national economic uncertainty. You guys, national
economic uncertainty. Okay, I'm just gonna let that go for now.
Personnel represent nearly seventy percent of our general fun budget,
and to meet our two hundred million dollar budget gap,

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we knew we could not avoid an impact on our employees.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
However, we took.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Strategic steps over the last eighteen months to minimize impact
to employees, including slowed hiring in twenty twenty four, reduced
the size of government in the twenty twenty five budget,
froze hiring in twenty twenty five. We know these steps
have impacted your work, but because of these efforts, the
city was able to significantly minimize layoffs of employees. Now

(01:10:54):
here's the gigger. They're eliminating nine hundred and twenty eight positions.
It's nine hundred and twenty. Now, before you think to yourself,
oh my gosh, nine hundred and twenty eight people are
going to lose their job. The reality is is that
one hundred and seventy one people will actually.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Lose their jobs.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
The rest of these people are made up of vacant
positions that are being eliminated and transfers to aligned funding sources,
meaning they're moving people under other spending things. So essentially
we're looking at one hundred and seventy one people who
are going to be getting a layoff.

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
Notice.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Now, I'm sorry that one hundred and seventy one people
are going to be losing their jobs, but it's certainly
not the sort of cataclysmic decimation of the City of
Denver's workforce that we had kind of been led to believe.
I mean, a vast majority of these people are either
people that were never hired or people that are just

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being put under a different fiscal umbrella without losing their jobs.
So you know the worst part is is now they're
having a meeting on Wednesday at ten am to provide
an overview, like just lay people off, okay, because let
me tell you what happens for I don't even know

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how many years in a row, and maybe a rod
can remember how many years in a row. Every year
at Christmas there were light layoffs at iHeart every year,
and word would start to get out in the industry. Oh,
the layoffs started in New York, the layoffs started in Atlanta,
and then everybody was freaking out until the layoffs were
done in their market. So that is unnecessary and I

(01:12:39):
think really cruel. So I certainly hope that the mayor
is going to be reaching out to the one hundred
and seventy one people who are actually losing their jobs
today and maybe send out an email after you talk
to those one hundred and seventy one people, to the
rest of the people that are still employed, saying, hey,
the layoffs have been completed. If you're getting this email,

(01:12:59):
you're like, I cleaned up my friend's list. If you're
seeing this, we're still friends.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Hmm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
So it just, you know, just do it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Sugarcoating it, like trying to soften the blow. It's all
really it stretches out something that should be done, like
ripping off a band aid, right like, you know, nobody
ever says, hey, take this band aid off my arm
and go as slowly as you possibly can. I want
to feel every single hair be ripped out of my

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arm as you pull the band aid off slowly. Nobody
does that. That's why when you go get your eyebrows wax,
they rip that thing off and one fell swoop because
the longer it takes, the worse it is.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
So everybody knows it's coming.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Everybody's just waiting to find out if they're on the list.
And you know how I know this because I've got
multiple emails from multiple City of Denver employees saying, well,
we don't know yet. We're all sitting here on tender
hooks waiting to find out if we still have a job.
This should be done today in terms of notifying people
that they have been laid off, like waiting until Wednesday
or whatever. And I don't know if that's the plan.

(01:14:12):
I want to be clear. Maybe the plan is to
let them all know today, but that should be what
is already happening, because stretching this out is not cool.
It's too stressful for people.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
It is just not right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
So that is on the blog today. This is fascinating,
you guys. A crime story, and you know, I don't
normally talk about crime until the entire situation is disposed of.
But listen to this from nine News headline Unsealed documents
reveal large scale narcotics and firearms trafficking in the Denver
metro area, and you're never going to believe who was involved.

(01:14:51):
The reason I say you're never gonna believe it is
because people like nine News. When Danielle Drinsky was sounding
the alarm about Venez Whale and gang Trende Aragua taking
over apartment complexes in Aurora, she was told by the
mayor that it was a figment of her imagination. The
governor actually called the cops on her because he was
worried about her because she was so out of control

(01:15:15):
trying to get anybody to pay attention to the apartment
complexes that have been taken over in Aurora. And Kyle
Clark was one that was like, Oh, this isn't a
real thing. Well guess what listen to this. According to
an arrest, Deaf of David criminal activity had a home
base at the Ivy Crossing Apartments at twenty four to

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seventy South Quebec Street in southeast Denver. A confidential informant
made contact with multiple suspects there and alongside undercover ATF
agents arranged by guns, ammunition parts and tucy A Street
narcotic commonly known to contain a variety of controlled substances
and associated with Venezuelan markets.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
You know where this is going.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
Yeah, yeah, a total of I mean, there's dozens of
people that have been indicted for this, all of them
have Hispanic names, and we know at least two of
them are members of Trende Ragua.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
So weird.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Maybe all of this is just a figment of the
ATF's imagination, huh. A couple of stories that I want
to make sure you get to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Zod is dead.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
Ten Stamp, the absolutely brilliant actor who has so many
roles that he should be known for before. He is
known as Zod from Superman, but he was brilliant in
the Superman films as General Zod. He has now passed
away at the age of eighty seven, and I love

(01:16:48):
these little details.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
The family did not say what Stamp's cause of.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Death was or provide any additional details. He's eighty seven, Yeah,
I think eighty seven. Were all like, you know, you're
allowed to just drift off at that point. Don't get
me wrong, the older I get, the younger eighty seven seems.
But it's still a good run, A really good run.
So there's a great kind of obituary that I've linked

(01:17:14):
to so you can see all of the things that
he has been a part of. Just a really prolific actor,
and he will be missed. But being able to write
Zod is dead was not lost on me. I have
a great, great, great story on the blog. You guys know,

(01:17:35):
I am very interested in things like near death experiences
and after death experiences. In those things, I just find
it really really interesting. And then CNN has this story.
The headline says, an atheist began caring for the dying.
What he saw changed his view of faith and the afterlife.
And this guy's been a hospice nurse. I don't think

(01:17:57):
he's a nurse, but he's a hospice employee for thirty
three years and came in as a full blown atheist
and now he has a belief in God. Now what
that looks like you can read. But there's some very
touching stories in this and they're about the end of
life and when people know that they are going to die,
and the visions that people have at the end of life,

(01:18:20):
and one in particular about a woman who was deeply
afflicted with Alzheimer's disease and completely noncommunicative and basically just
you know, lying in bed kind of waiting to die.
And right before she passed away, she completely reanimated. And
that was one of the things that made him go,
wait a minute, there's something I'm missing here. So if

(01:18:41):
you love stuff like that like I do, it is
a phenomenal story. I got a little teary i'd reading
it this morning. I'm not gonna lie. It's very very
good though. That's on the blog today at mandy'sblog dot com.
And then good news, you guys. Socialism fails again.

Speaker 15 (01:18:58):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
I would love to be able to send Zoron Mamdami,
the socialist probably next mayor of New York City, this
story to just let him know that once again social
has ended in its logical conclusion. Bolivia in two thousand
and five elected a man named Eva Morales Evo Morales.

(01:19:19):
He was the first indigenous what do you quit a minute,
Bolivion For a second, there got Bolivia confused with Ecuador,
but nope, it's Bolivia. He was the first indigenous Bolivian
elected in Bolivia, and he was elected on a purely
socialist platform. He was looking down at Venezuela saying look

(01:19:40):
how good they have it. They've done away with poverty,
They've got everything worked out. When we know how it
worked out in Venezuela, and now it is working out
like that in Bolivia. So the leftist movement has been
dominating that for since two thousand and five, so for
the last twenty years. But the problem is is that
you found out the old truth, the old canard about

(01:20:03):
socialism is very, very true. They ran out of other
people's money. Right now, they're in the process of electing
a new president, and the two finalists who will go
to the general election are a centrist who kind of
is not in one category or the other, but definitely
not a socialist, and someone who is firmly on the right,
free market capitalist kind of guy. Those are the two finalists.

(01:20:28):
But listen to what socialism has done to Bolivia. The
government spending under Evo Morales depended on an influx of
cash from their natural gas. Well, when natural gas price
is plummeted, guess what happened. Gas exports declined, imports rose,
the central bank began running out of money. Bolivia, which

(01:20:52):
once supplied half of its own diesel fuel, produced only
twelve percent by twenty twenty three. In recent months, have
been forced to sleep in their cars to wait to
fill their tanks among widespread fuel shortages. Inflation, which until
twenty twenty three was controlled to two percent, was more
than sixteen percent in July. Those who depend on government

(01:21:13):
subsidized food products have had to form long lines just
to buy bread. Thankfully, the Bolivian people, though, look like
they are poised to make a different choice, and unlike Venezuela,
which has a totalitarian grip on everything, Bolivia may have
a free and fair election. We can only hope. Joining
me now is the man that the show is named after,

(01:21:35):
A guy. That's such a coincidence that they found a
guy named Guy Benson to host the Guy Benson Show.
That's almost like a miracle.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
Really.

Speaker 11 (01:21:45):
Yeah, it was the one requirement actually for the job,
which is how.

Speaker 5 (01:21:48):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
How long have you been doing your radio show?

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Where did you come from?

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Guy?

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Give me your backstory? Give me your elevator's speech of success?

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
Wow?

Speaker 11 (01:22:00):
Well, I where do you want me to start? Birth?

Speaker 16 (01:22:03):
I mean, I studied broadcast journalism in political science in
college at Northwestern in Chicago. Started my career in Chicago
doing a weekend radio show and doing some writing for
National Review and Wright Bart back when Andrew was alive,
and then got hired by Townhall dot Com to move
to DC in twenty ten, So fifteen years ago, moved

(01:22:25):
to the DC area working at town Hall.

Speaker 11 (01:22:27):
I've been there ever since. I'm still there.

Speaker 16 (01:22:30):
Started appearing probably around two thousand and nine on Fox
and some other networks as well. They hired me on
air here at Fox on the TV side as a
contributor in twenty thirteen, So I've been here about twelve
years now as a as an on air contributor. And
the radio show started with a co host sort of
a right left type thing for a year back in

(01:22:52):
twenty eighteen. My co host then left the network for
a while, so it became the Guy Benson Show in
twenty nine and here we are chugging along and growing,
and we're grateful to have the platform and always grateful
to chat with folks like you. A great station in Denver, so.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
You have Denver roots as well, so you're no stranger
to Colorado. Even though you're coming out this weekend, you
already know what to expect. I can't even sell you
on how fabulous it is.

Speaker 16 (01:23:21):
Oh yeah, I mean so, my in laws are in Denver,
and so I've spent a lot of time in Colorado
through the years. Even before I got into that relationship
years ago, I'd been to Colorado multiple times, but now have,
of course as a very special place in my heart,
and as you alluded to, I'll be going back out
there later this week to a truly beautiful part of

(01:23:44):
the state where I've actually never been. I've been to
so many of these incredible resort towns right years, but
I've not been to Beaver Creek.

Speaker 11 (01:23:52):
So I'm over the moon for that.

Speaker 16 (01:23:54):
And I know, setting aside some of the issues that
I certainly have with Colorado's politics, it's hard to argue
with its topography and so many of its people. And
to be invited by a great group like the Steamboat
Institute to a beautiful, gorgeous, jaw dropping place like Beaver Creek,
that's an easy yes.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Well you made a good choice, because not only is
Beaver Creek gorgeous where this event is held, the Steamboat
Institute's Freedom Conference.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
I usually go.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
I had a little surgery and I wasn't sure if
I was going to be as recovered as I am
right now, so I am not going this year. It
is the best nerd event west of the Mississippi, a
hands down, no better event for nerds ever. But they
just do a spectacular job bringing people like you in
and bringing people Michelle Tavoy is going to be there,
Chris Wright's going to be there, the Energy Secretary. They

(01:24:45):
just line up this all star lineup and people sit
around and talk about nerdy stuff like freedom and free
markets and things of that nature. What is your nerdy topic?
Which panel are you on?

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:25:00):
And by the way, I think one of the keynotes
is being delivered this year by one of my colleagues,
Rtt Bayer here at Fox News, who has Zelensky on
the show today on Special Report. I'll be on Special
Report tonight reacting on the panel. So looking forward to
seeing Brett out there in the Rocky Mountains. My particular
topic is I'll be on a panel with a really

(01:25:21):
great media panel talking about the crisis I think of
American media and gotten to this point, and a question
of like can it be.

Speaker 11 (01:25:32):
Improved, can it be fixed? Is it dead?

Speaker 16 (01:25:36):
Where do we go from here? About the so called
news media? So there will be a lot to unpack.
As you might imagine, we'll have an hour to do
so that won't be nearly enough time, but we're going
to take a good bite at that topic in that conversation,
and as you pointed out, such a great room. I've
actually been to this conference with Steamboat before, but it's

(01:25:56):
been I think about a decade.

Speaker 11 (01:25:58):
They had us out.

Speaker 16 (01:25:59):
I wrote a book ten years ago with Mary Catherine Ham,
my best friend, and they had us out there very
generously at the time, and we did in a vent
or two with them, but since then it's just been
either you know, cross wires or schedules in the workout,
and they always are inviting so many great people. I
was just so delighted to be back on the radar
this year and heading back out there this week.

Speaker 11 (01:26:22):
It's a Friday panel.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
I know that you are going. I got to tell you,
and I talked to my listeners about this. If it's
you know, for the whole weekend. The tickets are four
hundred and ninety five bucks. You got to also get
your lodging and stuff like that, but for that money,
for four hundred and ninety five bucks to get access
to the people, that you have access to. For guys, panel,
I want to touch on that for just a second. Guy,

(01:26:43):
because I talk about this all the time, you would
think that in a competing media format like talk radio
or in your case, like radio, or like television, we
would want to see the demise of newspapers and you know,
news organizations that have just been really destructive over the
last few years. But I am in the exact opposite camp.

(01:27:03):
I think we've got to fix this. I don't think
you can just let it go down to citizen journalists
who who you know, may do a great job about
some stuff, but they not have the same kind of access.
What are your thoughts on the state of media overall
and do you think it needs to be fixed?

Speaker 16 (01:27:21):
Well, I mean, it certainly needs fixing, because it's deeply,
possibly irreparably broken. But part of the question is do
they want to be fixed? Do they want fixing? And
I'm not sure if they do. I think a healthy
country and an informed public relies on good, credible, truth

(01:27:45):
seeking journalism m H without fear or favor. The problem
is there's a lot of fear and a lot of
favor from the people who purport to.

Speaker 11 (01:27:56):
Have neither of those things going on. Right.

Speaker 16 (01:27:58):
They purport to be these middle of the road, we're
just here to tell you the truth, and they say
all these wonderful things. They've got all the slogans, and
they're very self congratulatory, and then they very often are
just a bunch of biased hacks. And that's almost putting
it kindly. And when they do it over and over again,

(01:28:18):
and it gets to a point of like institutional corruption
and rot and the public doesn't trust them.

Speaker 11 (01:28:25):
It's not just conservatives.

Speaker 16 (01:28:26):
I mean, you look at media credibilities absolutely deservedly in
the toilet. But at some point of course, there's going
to be a whole ecosystem of other options that crop
up as a replacement or at least another alternative, because
people don't trust the legacy media.

Speaker 11 (01:28:41):
And yeah, I think it's.

Speaker 16 (01:28:42):
Actually important to have these vibrant newsrooms and news organizations
with resources.

Speaker 11 (01:28:47):
And training and ethics to go and do the job.

Speaker 16 (01:28:51):
It just seems like a lot of the people doing
the job, especially at a national level, on the political
side of things, they are much more interested, it seems,
in narratives and agenda fulfillment than doing the actual job.

Speaker 11 (01:29:05):
So they've kind of forfeited trust.

Speaker 16 (01:29:07):
Yeah, and they don't seem to want to fix things,
you know, even as there's you know, the collapse in
trust and a collapse in business models and a lot
of people getting laid off and all that stuff, they
don't or they can't course correct because they're so invested
in their partisanship, in their ideology, and because I think

(01:29:28):
in a lot of cases, you know, if they, as
Rush Limba used to say, commit acts of journalism that
go against what their audience wants to hear, you know,
they risk running a foul of their audience or their bosses.
And so it's just kind of a bunch of competing narratives.

Speaker 11 (01:29:43):
Look, I'm all for.

Speaker 16 (01:29:45):
Opinion journalism and a whole multiplicity of options. I think
that is good, but you need some referees to try
to keep, you know, keep the truth front and center.
And I think the refs mostly play for one team,
and they can deny it, but it's obvious, and so

(01:30:05):
they have a real problem on their heads.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
I gotta tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
When they started writing books about Joe Biden's decline, and
in my mind when I'm watching, I refuse to buy
the books. I'm not gonna lie in the pockets of
people that I feel were complicit with the entire cover up.
There has been no apology like I would love to
see major media figures saying, you know what, not only
did we do this badly, we realize now why we

(01:30:29):
did it badly and it was our own bias. Can
you imagine that kind of announcement, apology whatever, in terms
of restoring some sense of some semblance of trust, at
least in the baby steps, because they would show some
seriousness about the issue. That lack of seriousness where Jake
Tapper sitting around going my god, they fooled us all

(01:30:52):
and I'm like, no, they didn't fool any of us
over here. They just fooled you guys because you wanted
to be fooled, all.

Speaker 16 (01:30:58):
Right, and they probably weren't even They were just going
with because the goal was to win the election and
they failed at that and now the truth can suddenly
be told.

Speaker 11 (01:31:08):
Now it can be told.

Speaker 16 (01:31:10):
Some of them have apologized to some extent. There's been
some soul searching, at least sort of a fac simile
of soul searching, and some degree of apology.

Speaker 11 (01:31:25):
That's fine. I think you know, some admission of this
is fine to me.

Speaker 16 (01:31:30):
It's pretty meaningless and empty if they do the same
thing again correct, And of course it won't be about
Joe Biden's sanility because Joe Biden is no longer relevant
and so you know, he's he doesn't really matter to them,
and he's disposable, right so on. Once he was gone,
then they could tell the truth. It's more of high

(01:31:51):
stakes political fights. Are they willing next time to tell
truths that are very unpleasant and detrimental to their own side,
whether it's the Democratic Party or the left or whatever
it is, And are they willing to do that consistently
or are they going to go right back to their
battle stations and all their bad impulses and just do

(01:32:13):
the version of the thing all over again, in which
case sort of being like, golly, gee, we got it
wrong and we're so sorry.

Speaker 11 (01:32:19):
That will amount to nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
Well, guy, I mean, I don't know. If you watched
Marco Ruby on the Sunday Shows yesterday, that's exactly what
they did, right. They came in knives of blazing, ready
to do anything to make this process seem like something
it clearly wasn't. And I thought to myself, well, they
really haven't learned anything. I would love that kind of
dogged determiness if it was on both sides of the aisle.

(01:32:42):
Unfortunately it's just on one side of the aisle. Guy,
I'm excited for you to be able to go to
the Freedom Conference this weekend. It is going to be
another just incredible, incredible event. I'm jealous always when I
can't make it, and this year, as I said, I
just was unable to make them. Trying to pull up
the list of speakers very very quickly. To your point, Brett, there,

(01:33:03):
your colleague is going to be there. Michelle Tafoya is
going to be there. Look, guy Benson right there at
the top. You got top billing there and so many
other people that are are just going to be super
smart and you will leave there if you guys.

Speaker 9 (01:33:18):
Go to this.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
And I think they still have tickets available. I know
that the Hyatt is sold out, so you're gonna have
to find other accommodations. But this makes me smarter every
single time I go, except for the panel. They always
give me the goofy panel like they're like, hey, do
you want to work with the guy with the puppet
this year?

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
Of course I do, of course, I don't want any
heavy lifting.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
At this thing, but now you're gonna have a blast,
and I want everybody to go check it out at
some point. Why not this year when Guy Benson is going.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
To be there.

Speaker 16 (01:33:45):
Well, that's very kind of you to say, and I agree.
I mean, if there's if there are any tickets left,
there's not many. Yeah, I know they're expecting a really
good crowd. I know it's a significant investment, but it's worthwhile.
A great lineup. I'm honored to be a part of it.
Always great group of people, smart, thoughtful, fun, beautiful place.

Speaker 11 (01:34:03):
What's not to love exactly?

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
And then it ends with a Coyote gold margarita party.
So really, there's nothing, nothing wrong with the entire weekend. Guy,
I really appreciate you making time for me today.

Speaker 11 (01:34:13):
Oh you bet, Thanks Manny, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
That is Guy Benson. You can hear his radio show,
you can see his townhall work at townhall dot com.
And again, if you ever have the chance to go
to this Freedom Conference, it doesn't matter what year it is.
You're going to hear from people that are just so smart,
and you're going to hear perspectives that you're not gonna

(01:34:36):
hear other places, and it's not just a bunch of
right wing echo chamber talking points. They try really hard
to bring a diverse set of viewpoints, and most of
the time they're very, very successful. I believe we're gonna
have the chance to talk to Michelle Tafoya as well,
and also US Secretary Chris Wright's going to be there.
He's so good and so interesting. So it's just it's

(01:35:00):
going to be a great weekend and I'm completely bombed.
I just I didn't want to commit and then not
be able to go at the last minute. So I
was just like, now I can't go this year. Just
let somebody else take my space, because yeah, yeah, got
a bunch of stuff on the blog today. If you
want to feel safe while you travel, They've named the

(01:35:20):
ten safest countries to travel to, and some of them
are some of my very favorite places to go. And
I have a great, great story on the blog today
for my friend David Stram at hot air dot com.
It's very simply another example when it comes to d
C crime. So Trump federalizes the police force. He's got
the National Guard all over DC in the tourist areas,

(01:35:44):
and jenniferm the Steamboat instid. Yes, tickets are still available,
so get you tickets and back to hot air dot com.
The Democrats in DC, once again, reflexively in their zeal
to show that anything Trump does is wrong, have put

(01:36:07):
themselves on the side of DC criminals. And the reality
is is that the polling data from people who actually
live in d C is terrible in terms of how
safe do you feel? Not the people who live in
Georgetown and have drivers. I'm talking about real people who
have to take the subway and stuff. They are dealing with,

(01:36:27):
rampant homelessness, shoplifting, riots, all kinds of things. And the
Democrats have just placed themselves on the side of all
of those people that are causing all of those problems
just because Trump said We're going to fix the problem.
I actually think it's deeper than that. I think it
is because they know that if Trump can do something
significant about crime and DC, then it puts every other

(01:36:50):
Democratic mayor across the country on notice, because what's to
stop them from talking to their governor and saying, hey,
can we get the National Guard to clean up our area?
Can we do something to take care of this problem?
But David Route a really good column about it, because
some on the left are starting to get hip Mikair
Brazinski of all people on MSNBC saying it's a trap.

Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
Don't fall into it. It's a trap.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
By the way, Ryan Edwards, did you hear that MSNBC
is rebranding.

Speaker 5 (01:37:20):
I deny this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
Who they paid or how much they paid, but they're
going to be rebranding as ms NOW.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
No way, so multiple.

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
Sclerosis now is what they're rebranding as they're getting rid
of the peacock because Comcast is spinning them off. And
I don't know how or who are.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
What how much they spent somebody I paid a lot
of money for that idea. They dropped them all maybe,
I mean, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
One hundred grand to drop one word like we paid
in the city of Denver. But let's see here, let
me get there. It's it's ms NOW and then there's
a tagline. I already forgot my source News Opinion World,
ms now MS thirteen. They didn't stop for a second
to think about this at all. It was Microsoft NBC.

(01:38:13):
It was a big partnership Microsoft and NBC. We're gonna
take over the world when all that happened right, didn't
really pan out, kind of like when AOL bought Time
Warner that didn't go well, not at all. By the way,
AOL has ended dial up service. Really did anybody even
know that was still a thing?

Speaker 5 (01:38:32):
I didn't know? You imagine? No, I can't. I cannot.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
That last person that was putting their phone on the
mode and me and now they have to figure out
something out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Yeah, don't into the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
And now it's time for the most exciting segment on
the radio, on this guy in the world.

Speaker 6 (01:39:00):
A day.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
All right, what is our dad joke of the day, please, Anthony?

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
What did the cannibal choose as his last meal?

Speaker 11 (01:39:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
Five guys, O, god, wow, this is an easy one.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
I think we should all get this trivia question which, oh.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
Sorry, word of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
Word of the day, please. It's a noun noun chutspa hutza.
It means having stones. It means you know, you got hutzpah,
you got you got, you got bravery, you've got a yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39:37):
Yeah. Now, this is the easy trivia question.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Which twentieth century American musician was nicknamed the Man in
Black Jotty.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
Cash of course.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
I don't you have to look at the name Johnny
Cash anyway. Okay me, Brian, what is our Jeopardy category?

Speaker 5 (01:39:54):
Park themes? Park themes? Park themes?

Speaker 7 (01:39:57):
Okay, my friend brock Kyosaurus is on the soundtrack of
this nineteen ninety three film, Brian, Brian, what is Jurssic
Park correct?

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
Good guess?

Speaker 7 (01:40:09):
The carousel that's been in this Manhattan park since eighteen
seventy Central Park that is correct? Water from different Oceans
was part of the ceremonies when this ride with its
own song opened to Disneyland.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
It's a small World that is correct, ocean different way.
I'm sure that went well.

Speaker 7 (01:40:30):
Germ Wise rapper Little Wayne has made no secret of
his main hobby, as in twenty sixteen video set among
the ramps of this kind of panny?

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
What does a skate park that is correct? Nice?

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
Wayne? I was confused when you said Little Wayne? Who
is Little Wayne? I don't know who that is.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
I'm proper for you. What's the scored three to one?
Well for fine?

Speaker 7 (01:40:53):
This song by Survivor is used to get baseball fans
fired up at Kamerica.

Speaker 17 (01:40:57):
Park Park in the There's an animal in the what
is I have the Tiger. Oh okay, I close three
radio right now.

Speaker 8 (01:41:14):
Okay, yeah, what is coming up on K Sports? Rying
it it's like the only survivors? Yeah, park in them.

Speaker 15 (01:41:26):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
Confused by that category. Oh, Tiger got it?

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
Okay, Tiger got it?

Speaker 15 (01:41:31):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, we had a lot of fun, Nick Fir,
It's going to be in a studio where the ferg
We're going to be talking about the game on Saturday and.

Speaker 5 (01:41:38):
When it meets the roster.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Just say this, and.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
I realized it's pre season, that question, but even our
backups are beating the crap out of their backups defensively,
Like it is going to be hard to believe that
people are going to be scoring a lot of.

Speaker 7 (01:41:53):
Points in the Bills could be in Super Bowl. Their
backups got to be thirty to zero. So I'm just saying,
you know, I realize, and I.

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
Try to temper my expectations because it's preseason. These are
guys playing for their jobs. I mean, let's be real
about what it is. But dang, I mean, we have
a lot to be optimistic about, not you know, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:42:14):
I mean from the deaths perspective, I mean, you certainly
like where Lebroncos.

Speaker 15 (01:42:17):
We're at versus say, watching the Cardinals and only having
one hundred and thirty five yards of offense versus our
five hundred and sixty two.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
Yeah, that's I mean, it's a wee bit lofsided.

Speaker 15 (01:42:26):
It's a little bit, but again it's it's preseason. We
always have to kind of expect ex stop it. Do
you get to have these, you know, sort of conversations about, hey,
this guy's performing, well, what does that mean for this roster,
what was to mean for the practice squad, and what
does it mean for another team that he gets to
potentially play for.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
So I do think that some of our guys on
the practice squad are going to get poached. That feels like,
I feel like because a lot of guys have had
really good play. Sorry, I'm going over. I'll let you
do that on your show.

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
We'll be back tomorrow. Keep it right here on KOA

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