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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bernadette. I hope you're listening out there.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Because I tried to find the lovely letter you sent
me asking me to have John Fabricatory on the show
because it was important that he beat Jason Crowe in
the sixth congressional district, and Bernadette wanted to make sure
that I got him on. And here he is, John Fabricatory,
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey, I appreciate being on and thank you, Bernadette, thanks
for talking about me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Now is your mom's name, Bernadette, i'man just curious. I
just want to clarify that right now.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
No, no, no, no, my mom's a Geanette.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
There you go. That'll work too, John.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I want to allow you to sort of introduce yourself
to some of my listeners, just in case everybody doesn't
know who you are, and then we'll jump right into
some of the issues. Tell me and my listeners a
little bit about you and why you decided to run
in the sixth congressional race.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yes, I'll just give you the quick background. So I'm
a United States Air Force veteran. Joined the Air Force
right out of high school, became a federal agent in
the middle nineties. Started out with Federal Protective Service, then
went over to Immigration Nationalization Service, and then wound up
with ICE for the last twenty three years in my career.
Did everything I could in ICE, was a deputy chief
of Staff down at the border of supervise the fugitive
(01:11):
operations teams, and then retired as the director of all
of Colorado and Wyoming in twenty twenty two. Got home
after retirement, but I was just going to hunt and
fish and kind of hang out and decided I couldn't
do that. Our country is, you know, too many things
going on in this country right now. The border's wide open,
and I decided that I would try to make this
congressional run so that I could win the seat in
(01:32):
the sixth Congressional district and actually get some stuff done
in Congress.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So obviously the border is a big issue and one
you're very knowledgeable about. So let's talk for a second
about that now. As one of four hundred and thirty
five in Congress, what would you like to see happen
in terms of border security?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, I think number one, we just need to look
at the Immigration Nationality Act and actually enforce it.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
That.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
The problem is, we've got some great laws on the books.
We just have presidents that refused to enforce them. Now
Donald Trump tried, he got sued multiple times, try every
time he tried to enforce some of those laws.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
And then we have, you know, the Biden Harris.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Administration, who refuses to enforce anything, wants an open border.
That the day Biden became president, he tried to do
one hundred day moratorium on deportations.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And we see where we are nowhere, We're four years
down the road.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We've got multiples of multiples of people who have come
into this country for nefarious reasons along with the good migrants.
You know, we do have good immigrants that come into
this country to work and you know, to become United
States citizens. But we've had a lot of illegal alliance
across that border. They're not vetted, they're winding up in
these communities and they're committing crimes.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Let's just jump to Aurora for just a second.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
In the last four days, this story out of Aurora
has gone from the governor saying that this situation was
Danielle Drinsky's imagination to now we know that a report
that was filed by a very prominent law firm here
shows that these apartments complexes, at least one of them
has been taken over by Venezuelan gangs. And you can,
(03:05):
you cannot, you cannot deny the connection between what we're
talking about at the border and what's happening at Aurora.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, absolutely, you cannot deny it.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I mean, when you see what's coming across the board,
you see who the Border Patrol has arrested, I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
The border patrols.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
The Border Patrol has arrested sixty identified thrend Aragua gang
members since the beginning of the fiscal year. So they
are they're identifying and come across the border, they are
arresting them, but there's lots of guideaways that get away
and then get into our communities. And with the with
the with the governor saying what he said that it's
you know, people's imagination, that's Danielle Jirinsky's imagination. Councilwoman Jarinsky
(03:41):
has been at the forefront of this since the beginning,
trying to to raise the community's idea of exactly what's
going on. All she's been doing is telling the truth.
And then you've got a governor that's that's trying to
hide it. And you know what, now, I've been amplifying
Danielle's message, you know, through the things that I know
and through information I'm getting from federal agents and other
art officers. And we still have some media establishments that
(04:04):
are out there trying to get around the truth and
say that we're lying.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, the truth is harder and harder to deny.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
But it can't just be the border issues that made
you want to run for Congress. What other things do
you see on the horizon that have you concerned?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
There's a lot. I mean our economy.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's our economy something that I talk about with people,
you know, every day when I'm when I'm outdoor knocking
and I'm out meeting people, they want to talk about
the economy. It's really the number one issue. We need
to bring jobs back to the United States. We made
We need to make sure that we can manufacture every
single thing that we need. During COVID, we saw that
we didn't have redundancy in this country, that when we
needed something, we needed to go to other countries to
(04:43):
get it. We needed to go to China for medical supplies.
We should never do that as a country. And I'm
not saying we ramp everything up so that you know,
it's where we're making billions of something. But we we
have to have the aperture where we have something and
then we can build upon it in a national emergency
and by you know, providing you know, tax breaks for
small businesses like that, so that we always have those
(05:05):
products in the US. I think we can build upon
building up our economy and making sure that we're strong.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So earlier in the show, I had a long conversation
with a woman named Maya mcguinnis.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
She's with the.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Center for Responsible uh Budgets. I wait, it's a horrible name.
It's a horrible name of an organization. All they talk
about is the federal debt. And I'm a deficit hawk myself.
I'm very concerned that our debt is quickly getting to
the point that it will not just damage our economy
but destroy our economy. Where do you put yourself on
the debt deficit? You know, scale of concern.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Hugely concerned. I mean it's horrible. And you know, part
of the things that I want to look at is
where we're spending our money. I mean, I think that's
number one to see how we got into this deficit.
Being as someone who's worked for the government for over
thirty years. I saw a lot of fraud, waste, and abuse,
and I think that there's a lot of cuts that
we can make. I think we can go in right
now today and we can identify hundreds of billions of
(06:01):
dollars that are being illicitly spent on the stupidest things
and bring them back here to the United States to
be spent, not being spent overseas, or even not even
spending it in the US.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
If it's a worthless program.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But we've got to look at exactly what us as taxpayers,
we're giving all this money to the government, what are
they actually spending it on.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, I mean that's what we got to identify first.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, we got to open those books up and say,
come on, man, this is wrong.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
This is what are we spending this on.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Okay, John, that's the number one thing I can do
as a freshman congressman.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I'm gonna give you my idea that I've given to
so many members of Congress. It's not even funny, but
I'm telling you it's a winner.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
We need to set up a.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Program, a whistle blower, financial whistleblower program where if any
government employee brings forth evidence of waste fadden abuse, they
get twenty five percent of whatever is. If it's one
hundred million contract, they get twenty five percent. If it's
a five thousand dollars contract, they get twenty five percent
because we're still saving the other seventy five percent. But
if you want to incentive people to really get serious
(07:02):
about their budgets, reward them for turning this stuff in.
And I'm telling you that would work, and no one
has ever taken me up on it. I've been given
this idea for a year, So now it's yours. John,
Fabricatory is yours.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Now I'm gonna call it the Mandy connallap when I
when I get an accooge.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
My god, that would be amazing. I don't even care
if it fails. That would be the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So, John, when you talk to people in your district,
in the sixth Congressional district, what are they telling you?
I look, we got the economy just now, but what
are the other things that they're concerned about.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I mean, people all.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Have different life experiences, and I'm wondering if there's any
kind of things that you're hearing about that might be surprising.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, it's not really a surprise, you know, as I
go through and talk to people, it's it's really the basics.
It's it's being able to afford groceries, it's being able
to afford a home. I've really been trying to include
a lot of the under thirty crowd and what I
do because I think they're underserved, especially by Republicans. So
you know, in talking to them, it's really about what
is their future going to be, Like how are they
(08:04):
going to be able to afford a home? How are
they going to be able to afford a family? And
that's worrisome to me, you know, as somebody that you know,
just entered his fifties. You know, if we want, you know,
the United States to keep moving forward, you know, we
have people.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Under thirty who feel hopeless. Yeah, and with with with.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
That kind of you know feeling from them, we're not
going to move forward. So we have to start recognizing
that we have a whole generation that that it doesn't
feel like they're included and that it's hopeless, and we
got to do a better job about getting them on board.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
John Fabricatory is my guest.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
He's running in the sixth Congressional District against Jason Crowe.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I say that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I know that politicos say don't ever say the opponent's name,
but several of my listeners have pointed out, They're like,
we don't know who these people are running against, so
we don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Who to avoid. So I'll say the name.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But the name you need to remember is John Fabricatory,
because he is the Republican running I think in a
district that is winnable, it does lean Democrat, but I
do think it is is a winnable district.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So if somebody asks you, okay, what are you going
to do?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The first you just mentioned being a freshman congressman, it
sounds like you understand that there's some limitations for a
freshman congressman. What are the things that you would aggressively
pursue right out of the shoot?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You know, like I said, opening up the books and
letting people see where we spend their money. You know,
congressmen have oversight of programs. If I have oversight of
a program, I want the American people to see exactly
where we're spending our dollars in that program. I think
that's the first thing that any freshman congressman can do
is just be truthful with your constituents about where you're
spending their money. So that would be the first thing
(09:36):
I would look at, and then I would have to
see what committees I'm actually sitting on, and uh, you know,
do my do my best to make sure that you know,
we're held to a higher standard. We're spending the American
taxpayer dollar the right way, and we're doing the best
for the United States. So you know, we can be
the country that I know that we are the shining star,
the light on the hill, all the way into the
next one.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Hundred, three hundred, four hundred years from now.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
A Texter just hit our Common Spirit Health text line
and said, what are you doing to reach unaffiliated voters?
Because we are rapidly becoming an unaffiliated voter state and
it is critical to reach those unaffiliated voters.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
What's the plan there?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, that's that's the greatest point, because that's how Jason
Crow wins. He wins, you know, with those unaffiliated independent
voters because they believe he's a moderate congressman and he's not.
He's super far left. He's further to the left than
AOC and Corey Bush. So for me, I have to
reach them. And you know what I've been doing is
I've been walking neighborhoods and I've been only going to
homes that are unaffiliated or independent homes.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Those are the homes that I'm knocking on.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I'm not knocking on Republican doors because they probably aligned
to my to my process, I don't need people saying, oh, yeah,
I believe in this. I want to have a little
bit of a debate when I get to a door.
I want I want people to ask me questions and say,
why shouldn't I vote for Jason Crow. So that's the
doors I'm knocking on. So and I'm going to continue
to do that through to November. I'm trying to reach
(10:57):
out to people on different kind of networks. I'll go
on and I will debate anybody on any radio shown,
any television program they want to invite me on. I
will go into the lions Den and talk to anybody
on anything, because I think what I have to say
people will start to listen and they will vote.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Are those unaffiliated voters do they seem receptive to the message.
Do you do you have a positive feeling after those encounters?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, I really do, especially with what's going on in
the United States now, I think a lot more people
are starting to recognize, and I think social media is
a big aspect of that. I think people are getting
most of their news from social media. They're on social media,
they're able to see a lot of different points of
view because people are just posting a lot of things. Now,
there's a lot of bad stuff as well that comes
through social media, and you have to, you know, kind
of be careful about what you're watching. But there's also
(11:45):
great information that gets out there. So when I start
my conversations with people, I don't go on the attack.
I ask some questions. I kind of try to align
myself with them on something that I might agree with
them with, and then I start to move the conversation
in the directions of things that I feel confident about
and that I think that they should be aware of.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Is the border one of those issues, because it seems
to me like this has been politicized. But I wonder
if just everyday Americans see it as a political issue
and more of an issue of you know, right and
wrong of people following the rule of law to come here.
Even though our immigration system is horrible and it sucks
our legal immigration system, or is it too politicized for
(12:27):
people who may be on the other side of the
aisle to even admit that this is a huge problem
that needs to be taken care of.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well, you know, one thing you said is entirely correct.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
The other side of the aisle makes it highly political,
and that's when it's hard to really talk to people
when they're really lean further to the left.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Immigration is very, very politicized.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I think most of the people that I talk to
right now, it's a health and safety issue for them.
They don't know who's coming into the country. They want
people to be vetted, they want people to follow the law.
They want to make sure that we don't have diseases
and bombs and bomb made and terrorists and gangs coming
into the country.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
And you know, they want the right thing.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And most people I talk to, ninety nine percent of
the people I talk to want legal immigration, as do I.
A very small segment dozen they would want the whole
United States to be shut down. I don't align with
those people, but you know, most of the people I
talk to you do see immigration as an issue. They
see it as an issue for the economy, They see
what it's doing to our hospitals, they see what it's
doing our police forces, they see what it's doing inside
(13:25):
of our classrooms. Illegal immigration, it causes a drain on society,
and we shouldn't have to deal with it as a society,
and we should get our hands around having a better
legal immigration system and making sure that the people that
come into this country are legally here and can pay
taxes and do everything else that they're supposed to do,
and they're actually here to be an American and to
go the American way, not here to.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Just steal from the United States.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
So let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
About immigration reform, because it's you know, it was. They
tried to do it in two thousand and eight. It
was a disaster. But the reality is is that we
do need to completely overhaul our immigration system. At another time, John,
I'll tell you the saga of my friend who is
an American who's been married to an Irishman for twenty
three years about his current immigration situation that is so
(14:10):
beyond absurd it's almost like a bad movie. So would
you want to be part of a genuine conversation about
overhauling the legal immigration system first and then you know,
I say secure the border first, then we fix legal immigration,
and then we figure out what to do with all
the people who are here illegally. Like for me, those
steps have to go in that order.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, you know, I would definitely be on that.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know, I'm a subject matter expert on removal law
and dealing with the law enforcement aspect of it. But
there are a lot of things that need to be
changed on the Citizenship Immigration Services side, like the side
you said where someone's been here illegally.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
They've been there for twenty three years trying.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
To get legal citizenship legally. Like I just went to
Citizenship Immigration Services. I'm trying to help a veteran. This
veteran's been a Green card holder since the nineteen eighties,
eight eighty something years old. I've been trying to get
citizenship this whole time because he wants to vote before
he dies.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
He's a Green card holder, he's legally here.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Has not been able to get an interview at CIS.
Even myself as a former director, could not get him
an interview. Finally, a congresswoman, it was actually Congressman Patterson.
I will give her a I'll give her a pat
on a back I'll even give a pat on a
back to a Democrat when they do the right thing.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Her office went there. They had taken him under.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
His wing, under their wing finally, and it looks like
this guy's finally going to get a citizenship.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
But he's been trying for years.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And he's a United States Army veteran, spent nine years
in the Army, and.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That's the absurdity of it all.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
John Fabricatory is running in the sixth congressional district. I
put a link to his website if you would like
to find out more about John or support him. John,
we'll talk to again before the election, as I am
just going to pay for the airwaves with all the
people that I think are the best candidates. So you
are in the You're in the circle of love, John Fabricatory,
and you can thank Bernadette for that.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I appreciate you making time for us today. We'll talk
again soon, all right, alright, alright, alright, that is John Fabricatory.
Bernadette. I hope you're listening out there.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Because I tried to find the lovely letter you sent
me asking me to have John Fabricatory on the show
because it was important that he beat Jason Crowe in
the sixth congressional district, and Bernadette wanted to make sure
that I got him on. And here he is, John Fabricatory,
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey, I appreciate being on and thank you, Bernadette, thanks
for talking about me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Now is your mom's name, Bernadette, i'man just curious. I
just want to clarify that right now.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
No, no, no, no, my mom's a Geanette.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
There you go. That'll work too, John.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I want to allow you to sort of introduce yourself
to some of my listeners, just in case everybody doesn't
know who you are, and then we'll jump right into
some of the issues. Tell me and my listeners a
little bit about you and why you decided to run
in the sixth congressional race.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yes, I'll just give you the quick background. So I'm
a United States Air Force veteran. Joined the Air Force
right out of high school, became a federal agent in
the middle nineties. Started out with Federal Protective Service, then
went over to Immigration Nationalization Service, and then wound up
with ICE for the last twenty three years in my career.
Did everything I could in ICE, was a deputy chief
of Staff down at the border of supervise the fugitive
(01:11):
operations teams, and then retired as the director of all
of Colorado and Wyoming in twenty twenty two. Got home
after retirement, but I was just going to hunt and
fish and kind of hang out and decided I couldn't
do that. Our country is, you know, too many things
going on in this country right now. The border's wide open,
and I decided that I would try to make this
congressional run so that I could win the seat in
(01:32):
the sixth Congressional district and actually get some stuff done
in Congress.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So obviously the border is a big issue and one
you're very knowledgeable about. So let's talk for a second
about that now. As one of four hundred and thirty
five in Congress, what would you like to see happen
in terms of border security?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, I think number one, we just need to look
at the Immigration Nationality Act and actually enforce it.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
That.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
The problem is, we've got some great laws on the books.
We just have presidents that refused to enforce them. Now
Donald Trump tried, he got sued multiple times, try every
time he tried to enforce some of those laws.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
And then we have, you know, the Biden Harris.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Administration, who refuses to enforce anything, wants an open border.
That the day Biden became president, he tried to do
one hundred day moratorium on deportations.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And we see where we are nowhere, We're four years
down the road.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We've got multiples of multiples of people who have come
into this country for nefarious reasons along with the good migrants.
You know, we do have good immigrants that come into
this country to work and you know, to become United
States citizens. But we've had a lot of illegal alliance
across that border. They're not vetted, they're winding up in
these communities and they're committing crimes.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Let's just jump to Aurora for just a second.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
In the last four days, this story out of Aurora
has gone from the governor saying that this situation was
Danielle Drinsky's imagination to now we know that a report
that was filed by a very prominent law firm here
shows that these apartments complexes, at least one of them
has been taken over by Venezuelan gangs. And you can,
(03:05):
you cannot, you cannot deny the connection between what we're
talking about at the border and what's happening at Aurora.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, absolutely, you cannot deny it.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I mean, when you see what's coming across the board,
you see who the Border Patrol has arrested, I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
The border patrols.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
The Border Patrol has arrested sixty identified thrend Aragua gang
members since the beginning of the fiscal year. So they
are they're identifying and come across the border, they are
arresting them, but there's lots of guideaways that get away
and then get into our communities. And with the with
the with the governor saying what he said that it's
you know, people's imagination, that's Danielle Jirinsky's imagination. Councilwoman Jarinsky
(03:41):
has been at the forefront of this since the beginning,
trying to to raise the community's idea of exactly what's
going on. All she's been doing is telling the truth.
And then you've got a governor that's that's trying to
hide it. And you know what, now, I've been amplifying
Danielle's message, you know, through the things that I know
and through information I'm getting from federal agents and other
art officers. And we still have some media establishments that
(04:04):
are out there trying to get around the truth and
say that we're lying.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, the truth is harder and harder to deny.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
But it can't just be the border issues that made
you want to run for Congress. What other things do
you see on the horizon that have you concerned?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
There's a lot. I mean our economy.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's our economy something that I talk about with people,
you know, every day when I'm when I'm outdoor knocking
and I'm out meeting people, they want to talk about
the economy. It's really the number one issue. We need
to bring jobs back to the United States. We made
We need to make sure that we can manufacture every
single thing that we need. During COVID, we saw that
we didn't have redundancy in this country, that when we
needed something, we needed to go to other countries to
(04:43):
get it. We needed to go to China for medical supplies.
We should never do that as a country. And I'm
not saying we ramp everything up so that you know,
it's where we're making billions of something. But we we
have to have the aperture where we have something and
then we can build upon it in a national emergency
and by you know, providing you know, tax breaks for
small businesses like that, so that we always have those
(05:05):
products in the US. I think we can build upon
building up our economy and making sure that we're strong.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So earlier in the show, I had a long conversation
with a woman named Maya mcguinnis.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
She's with the.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Center for Responsible uh Budgets. I wait, it's a horrible name.
It's a horrible name of an organization. All they talk
about is the federal debt. And I'm a deficit hawk myself.
I'm very concerned that our debt is quickly getting to
the point that it will not just damage our economy
but destroy our economy. Where do you put yourself on
the debt deficit? You know, scale of concern.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Hugely concerned. I mean it's horrible. And you know, part
of the things that I want to look at is
where we're spending our money. I mean, I think that's
number one to see how we got into this deficit.
Being as someone who's worked for the government for over
thirty years. I saw a lot of fraud, waste, and abuse,
and I think that there's a lot of cuts that
we can make. I think we can go in right
now today and we can identify hundreds of billions of
(06:01):
dollars that are being illicitly spent on the stupidest things
and bring them back here to the United States to
be spent, not being spent overseas, or even not even
spending it in the US.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
If it's a worthless program.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But we've got to look at exactly what us as taxpayers,
we're giving all this money to the government, what are
they actually spending it on.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, I mean that's what we got to identify first.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, we got to open those books up and say,
come on, man, this is wrong.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
This is what are we spending this on.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Okay, John, that's the number one thing I can do
as a freshman congressman.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I'm gonna give you my idea that I've given to
so many members of Congress. It's not even funny, but
I'm telling you it's a winner.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
We need to set up a.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Program, a whistle blower, financial whistleblower program where if any
government employee brings forth evidence of waste fadden abuse, they
get twenty five percent of whatever is. If it's one
hundred million contract, they get twenty five percent. If it's
a five thousand dollars contract, they get twenty five percent
because we're still saving the other seventy five percent. But
if you want to incentive people to really get serious
(07:02):
about their budgets, reward them for turning this stuff in.
And I'm telling you that would work, and no one
has ever taken me up on it. I've been given
this idea for a year, So now it's yours. John,
Fabricatory is yours.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Now I'm gonna call it the Mandy connallap when I
when I get an accooge.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
My god, that would be amazing. I don't even care
if it fails. That would be the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So, John, when you talk to people in your district,
in the sixth Congressional district, what are they telling you?
I look, we got the economy just now, but what
are the other things that they're concerned about.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I mean, people all.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Have different life experiences, and I'm wondering if there's any
kind of things that you're hearing about that might be surprising.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, it's not really a surprise, you know, as I
go through and talk to people, it's it's really the basics.
It's it's being able to afford groceries, it's being able
to afford a home. I've really been trying to include
a lot of the under thirty crowd and what I
do because I think they're underserved, especially by Republicans. So
you know, in talking to them, it's really about what
is their future going to be, Like how are they
(08:04):
going to be able to afford a home? How are
they going to be able to afford a family? And
that's worrisome to me, you know, as somebody that you know,
just entered his fifties. You know, if we want, you know,
the United States to keep moving forward, you know, we
have people.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Under thirty who feel hopeless. Yeah, and with with with.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
That kind of you know feeling from them, we're not
going to move forward. So we have to start recognizing
that we have a whole generation that that it doesn't
feel like they're included and that it's hopeless, and we
got to do a better job about getting them on board.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
John Fabricatory is my guest.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
He's running in the sixth Congressional District against Jason Crowe.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I say that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I know that politicos say don't ever say the opponent's name,
but several of my listeners have pointed out, They're like,
we don't know who these people are running against, so
we don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Who to avoid. So I'll say the name.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But the name you need to remember is John Fabricatory,
because he is the Republican running I think in a
district that is winnable, it does lean Democrat, but I
do think it is is a winnable district.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So if somebody asks you, okay, what are you going
to do?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The first you just mentioned being a freshman congressman, it
sounds like you understand that there's some limitations for a
freshman congressman. What are the things that you would aggressively
pursue right out of the shoot?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You know, like I said, opening up the books and
letting people see where we spend their money. You know,
congressmen have oversight of programs. If I have oversight of
a program, I want the American people to see exactly
where we're spending our dollars in that program. I think
that's the first thing that any freshman congressman can do
is just be truthful with your constituents about where you're
spending their money. So that would be the first thing
(09:36):
I would look at, and then I would have to
see what committees I'm actually sitting on, and uh, you know,
do my do my best to make sure that you know,
we're held to a higher standard. We're spending the American
taxpayer dollar the right way, and we're doing the best
for the United States. So you know, we can be
the country that I know that we are the shining star,
the light on the hill, all the way into the
next one.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Hundred, three hundred, four hundred years from now.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
A Texter just hit our Common Spirit Health text line
and said, what are you doing to reach unaffiliated voters?
Because we are rapidly becoming an unaffiliated voter state and
it is critical to reach those unaffiliated voters.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
What's the plan there?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, that's that's the greatest point, because that's how Jason
Crow wins. He wins, you know, with those unaffiliated independent
voters because they believe he's a moderate congressman and he's not.
He's super far left. He's further to the left than
AOC and Corey Bush. So for me, I have to
reach them. And you know what I've been doing is
I've been walking neighborhoods and I've been only going to
homes that are unaffiliated or independent homes.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Those are the homes that I'm knocking on.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I'm not knocking on Republican doors because they probably aligned
to my to my process, I don't need people saying, oh, yeah,
I believe in this. I want to have a little
bit of a debate when I get to a door.
I want I want people to ask me questions and say,
why shouldn't I vote for Jason Crow. So that's the
doors I'm knocking on. So and I'm going to continue
to do that through to November. I'm trying to reach
(10:57):
out to people on different kind of networks. I'll go
on and I will debate anybody on any radio shown,
any television program they want to invite me on. I
will go into the lions Den and talk to anybody
on anything, because I think what I have to say
people will start to listen and they will vote.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Are those unaffiliated voters do they seem receptive to the message.
Do you do you have a positive feeling after those encounters?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, I really do, especially with what's going on in
the United States now, I think a lot more people
are starting to recognize, and I think social media is
a big aspect of that. I think people are getting
most of their news from social media. They're on social media,
they're able to see a lot of different points of
view because people are just posting a lot of things. Now,
there's a lot of bad stuff as well that comes
through social media, and you have to, you know, kind
of be careful about what you're watching. But there's also
(11:45):
great information that gets out there. So when I start
my conversations with people, I don't go on the attack.
I ask some questions. I kind of try to align
myself with them on something that I might agree with
them with, and then I start to move the conversation
in the directions of things that I feel confident about
and that I think that they should be aware of.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Is the border one of those issues, because it seems
to me like this has been politicized. But I wonder
if just everyday Americans see it as a political issue
and more of an issue of you know, right and
wrong of people following the rule of law to come here.
Even though our immigration system is horrible and it sucks
our legal immigration system, or is it too politicized for
(12:27):
people who may be on the other side of the
aisle to even admit that this is a huge problem
that needs to be taken care of.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well, you know, one thing you said is entirely correct.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
The other side of the aisle makes it highly political,
and that's when it's hard to really talk to people
when they're really lean further to the left.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Immigration is very, very politicized.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I think most of the people that I talk to
right now, it's a health and safety issue for them.
They don't know who's coming into the country. They want
people to be vetted, they want people to follow the law.
They want to make sure that we don't have diseases
and bombs and bomb made and terrorists and gangs coming
into the country.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
And you know, they want the right thing.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And most people I talk to, ninety nine percent of
the people I talk to want legal immigration, as do I.
A very small segment dozen they would want the whole
United States to be shut down. I don't align with
those people, but you know, most of the people I
talk to you do see immigration as an issue. They
see it as an issue for the economy, They see
what it's doing to our hospitals, they see what it's
doing our police forces, they see what it's doing inside
(13:25):
of our classrooms. Illegal immigration, it causes a drain on society,
and we shouldn't have to deal with it as a society,
and we should get our hands around having a better
legal immigration system and making sure that the people that
come into this country are legally here and can pay
taxes and do everything else that they're supposed to do,
and they're actually here to be an American and to
go the American way, not here to.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Just steal from the United States.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
So let me ask you.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
About immigration reform, because it's you know, it was. They
tried to do it in two thousand and eight. It
was a disaster. But the reality is is that we
do need to completely overhaul our immigration system. At another time, John,
I'll tell you the saga of my friend who is
an American who's been married to an Irishman for twenty
three years about his current immigration situation that is so
(14:10):
beyond absurd it's almost like a bad movie. So would
you want to be part of a genuine conversation about
overhauling the legal immigration system first and then you know,
I say secure the border first, then we fix legal immigration,
and then we figure out what to do with all
the people who are here illegally. Like for me, those
steps have to go in that order.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, you know, I would definitely be on that.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know, I'm a subject matter expert on removal law
and dealing with the law enforcement aspect of it. But
there are a lot of things that need to be
changed on the Citizenship Immigration Services side, like the side
you said where someone's been here illegally.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
They've been there for twenty three years trying.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
To get legal citizenship legally. Like I just went to
Citizenship Immigration Services. I'm trying to help a veteran. This
veteran's been a Green card holder since the nineteen eighties,
eight eighty something years old. I've been trying to get
citizenship this whole time because he wants to vote before
he dies.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
He's a Green card holder, he's legally here.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Has not been able to get an interview at CIS.
Even myself as a former director, could not get him
an interview. Finally, a congresswoman, it was actually Congressman Patterson.
I will give her a I'll give her a pat
on a back I'll even give a pat on a
back to a Democrat when they do the right thing.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Her office went there. They had taken him under.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
His wing, under their wing finally, and it looks like
this guy's finally going to get a citizenship.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
But he's been trying for years.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And he's a United States Army veteran, spent nine years
in the Army, and.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That's the absurdity of it all.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
John Fabricatory is running in the sixth congressional district. I
put a link to his website if you would like
to find out more about John or support him. John,
we'll talk to again before the election, as I am
just going to pay for the airwaves with all the
people that I think are the best candidates. So you
are in the You're in the circle of love, John Fabricatory,
and you can thank Bernadette for that.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I appreciate you making time for us today. We'll talk
again soon, all right, alright, alright, alright, that is John Fabricatory.
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