September 5, 2025 • 14 mins
MORE SHENANIGANS FROM OUR PAROLE SYSTEM I'm not saying the above numbers and the below numbers are connected, but it would not be a crazy thing to do. 9News' Chris Vanderveen has been working on this story and stories about the parole system for a while now and I don't think he's going to stop because he keeps finding out stuff like this. You've got to click on this whole thread to see the history of criminals that have been released from prison on parole after serious changes were made to the file used to make those decisions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you have been paying attention to Chris Vandervein of
nine News, He's got a great Twitter feed. He has
been on this story, and I feel like it's been
a while now that Chris has been sort of digging
into our parole system, how people are parolled, information that
the parole board uses in order to decide make decisions
about parole and Chris, first of all, welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Back to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thanks Manny for having me. Yeah, this has been a
lengthy investigation. I think technically we started working on it
in early twenty twenty four last year after a parole
lead by the name of Vincenzo Moscoso was accused of
murdering two people in northwest Denver, and since then we've
really like tried to focus in on, I think identification
(00:48):
of the what I think are some potentially systemic gaps
within the parole system of Colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So let's start really quickly with how the parole system
works in the sense that these evaluations that we're going
to talk about next, what role they play and whether
or not someone is paroled. Because the parole board is
just made up of people who come to a meeting
with information they get evaluations. They get that stuff. So
we're talking about the evaluations that are done by who
(01:14):
does these evaluations.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, by corrections officers, Department Corrections officers when they're on inside.
There's there's a number of assessments that are done and
in order to understand the story you really understand, like
basically think of this. Every six months or or every year,
the Department of Corrections, whether you're an inmate within prison
or you're arrolling who's out of prison, will try to
(01:37):
assess your risk level to reoffend. And it's really this
idea of like, can we ask you a series of
questions that we'll get to the heart of.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Let's take Chris Vanderfiedt, the felon.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Unfortunately I'm not. But let's let's take that as a
as a hypothetical hypothetical example that I will answer a
series of questions with a parrole officer crrect softs in
front of me, and they will come up with a
score that will determine am I low risk to reoffend?
Or am I very high risk to reoffend? And based
(02:11):
upon the answers that that assessment gives, you can sort
of like give finely tune the level of care, treatment.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Supervision to that person.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So it's like it's it's getting into the weeds a
little bit, but I think it's important to sort of
understand that base level. Yeah, and the higher the score
that you have, the more risk that you have. It's
not predictive fully in nature, that means to guarantee that
Chris biannit means going to reoffend if he's high risk
or very high risk to reoffend, but it means statistically speaking.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I'm more inclined to reoffend. And you want to know.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That when somebody's out on parole, are there some of
you got to watch closely or some of you don't
have to watch this bock so and.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
One of the things, I mean, there are things, and
I want to believe that people are capable of change
and capable of rehabilitation. So I would assume that some
of those measures could change dramatically over the course of
one's incarceration. But some of those measures are should be static, right,
They should be the same on every report. How many
felonies this person has committed, has this person violated parole
(03:14):
in the past. I mean, these are numbers, These are
hard data that should never change. And that's kind of
where we're talking about here, right, That's where the.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Issues are, and that's what we're the investigation is really
sort of concentrating on because they're there. They're the more
the once more obvious errors in these assessments.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And think about it this way.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
There's a question, were you ever expelled from high school
or school?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
If the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Question is yes, If Chris, if I were expelled from
what Thomas Jefferson High School is the school I went
to here in Denver, if I was expelled from TJ,
and the answer to that is yes in twenty fourteen,
then the answer that twenty twenty four would still be yes.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That is what they call in the.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Business a static schoore, And and what we've been finding
these static scores is that sometimes, like Chris Vannery twenty fourteen,
ever expelled from DJ, yes, and twenty twenty four No,
that's a mistake, that's an error. And what conversely what
happens with that is that you know, you get one
point for answering yes to if you've been expelled from school,
(04:19):
and then you know years later if it's no, then
it's zero points. And as I talked about the amount
of points matters. The higher the points, the higher the risk.
And if you mess up on those scores, now, all
of a sudden, your risk level is getting lower than
it should, right, And that's what's happening. So you know,
and you know, lots of times it may be it
(04:40):
may be relatively inconsequential when we're talking about two points
or whatever, but sometimes it's so much that suddenly somebody
who is who is who should be like very high
or high risk, is now moderate risk or in the
example that we've talked about last a couple of weeks ago,
low risk. And that means you're not not getting a
(05:00):
lot of interaction with your prole officer, you're not being
drug tested as much. And again, you'd like to think
that people who are high risk to re offend they're
getting the most interaction with right role because that means
that they're checking in on them, are they are they
noticing maybe they're spirally, maybe they need more care. This
(05:23):
is when I say I think we've identified a systemic problem.
I'm convinced of it, because you know, while it doesn't
mean that the people that we've identified, it doesn't mean
that that absolutely they would not have murdered somebody had
they caught this. It just means that as a whole,
we're not catching people as much as we should in
(05:44):
terms of assigning their risk level, and it means overall
we're less inclined as a state to provide the right
level of care and treatment and supervision to people who
can be inherently dangerous.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I'm I'm more I mean, I'm more suspicious than you
are about about the beginning part of this, and I
think that that's the part and all of your points
you made about levels of supervision are spot on. I mean,
if you have somebody that has a propensity for violence, yeah,
I want them, if they get out of prison, to
be carefully monitored, right.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I want to know that they're.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Being looked at and being.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Followed up on.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But the reality is is that we have kind of
a significant issue right now, and it's either sloppy record
keeping or a system that is so cumbersome that it
lends itself to sloppy record keeping and that in and
of itself needs to be fixed, or it's someone being
lazy and not doing a good job that needs to
be fixed, or it's more malicious.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You know, the suspicious level.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
In me, I'm like, is it something more malicious where
you have people that are getting numbers changed because of
either relationships within the prison or or you know, even
something more nefarious than that. And I don't want to
cast dispersions, but I think all of that should be
the focus of an intense investigation. I think whatever the
answer is, and it could be something really simple to solve.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I think that not only we.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
The public, but also the men in prison deserve to
know that their records as they are are not being
meddled with, right because how do we know they're not
being meddled with in the other direction, making low risk prisoners.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I there's a there's a man in the name of
Brian Lovin's we interviewed in our story recently. He helped
create the assessment system that Colorado uses, and he was
a verse of the idea of like actually criticizing Colorado
because he didn't want to go in that direction. But
what he did say is this, and I think it's
really important. He says it is worse to get assessments
(07:40):
wrong than to not do assessments at all, Meaning if
you're going to do them, you need to do them
correctly because you can assign. Let's say, let's say you
do have somebody who is inherently low risk and they're
treated as high risk, and you're having too much too
much resources devoted to a person who is at low
(08:03):
risk to reoffend. Ideally, what you want to do is
devote the most amount of resources you can to the
people who are statistically speaking, most likely to reoffend. This
is we don't have all the money in the world.
It's sort of like put towards parole. People on parole.
Not all of them are going to reoffend, but statistically speaking,
they're much more likely to reoffend because they've already offended
(08:24):
in the first place. They're on parole, they've gotten out
of prison, and so you want to believe that the
state is doing a good job of saying, Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Chris fanitmy is high risk.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
We're going to devote like you got to check in
with your prole officer every two weeks or every week
because we want to know how you're doing. But if
Chris Fantamin is low risk, then you don't have to
give as much resources. I don't have to check in
as often with the prole office, and we do have
a problem in this state when it comes to crimes,
(08:57):
high profile crimes that are admitted by paroles, and there
are a number of high profile crimes that have been
committed by people on parole. Next week, we're taking a
deeper look into a man by the name of Ricky
Lee Royball Smith who was on parole and he's now
(09:18):
accused of a double homicide in Aurora on colfax. And
he's also the main suspect, by the way, in a
death inside the Denver jail and a death that happened
in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
This is a guy that is potentially very dangerous and.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The state did not do a good job of assigning
his risk level.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's clear as day.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So when it comes down to what needs to happen,
I think I said these two before when I talked
to before, like it shouldn't just be up to a
reporter at nine News to investigate this problem. I openly
admit there's eight thousand people on parole in the state
Colorado right now. I cannot single handedly, with the help
(10:03):
of my team, look into all eight thousand cases and
see how the state is doing.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
But the state does have the resources and.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
The power to care a little bit more about this
and actually identify, Okay, what is the extent of the problem.
And what scares me the most is that we don't
know the extent of this problem right now.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And that is significant because we don't know how many
other paroles are out there probably shouldn't be in the community,
or I mean, even as I said, it's like, it
sounds like a silly thing to worry about that someone
who is a low risk offender would be kept in
prison right as a member of the population or likewise
it's still a criminal. But for me that does matter,
Like I want the people in our justice system to
be treated the way our justice system is designed to
(10:42):
treat them wherever they are, right at wherever level they are.
But have you seen any consistency in the records that
you have pulled? This seems to be more pervasive in
one prison or another, or does it seem to be
consistent across the whole system.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think what I've seen so far is that it's
consistent across the board. And I think what we've just
started to get into recently, we talked a lot about
assessments of people on parole, But there's assessments of people.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
That are inmates that are in prison.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And keep in mind, I'm sure you're well aware of this.
I think this is surprising for the public is if
Chris Pannamine is given a twenty year sentence to prison,
statistically speaking, I'm going to do about ten years of
that prison sentence and then I'm going to be on
parole for a certain period of time. A lot of
parole that happens in the state of Colorado is discretionary parole,
(11:37):
where the parole board gets to say, yeah, we think
you're ready to be parolled. And one of the tools
they're using to decide if somebody should be parolled discretionarily
early are these assessments. And so if you're getting the assessment,
we know they're getting these assessments wrong in prison because
we've found documented cases where they're getting these assessments wrong.
(12:02):
And it doesn't mean the pro board's going to release
this person. But if if you're looking at somebody that
you might may or may not release the prison and
they're low risk THY offend or modern risk thy offense.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You may be more inclined to proll.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That person as opposed to very high risk toy offense.
That's a problem too.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Amen to that, Chris. I appreciate the story. I've been
following along as you add. Every time I see a
new face on your Twitter feed, I'm like, oh, Chris
has found another one in his little back of Chris,
have you spoken to the Attorney General's office about this
and said, hey, would you guys or.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Could you guy?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Or can someone just get to the bottom of this,
because to your point, the state does should have the
resources to figure out what the problem is.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I would I would yes to the AG's office. But
I think specifically, it is the governor who appoints the
head of the Department of Corrections. It is the Department
of Corrections that will not go on camera with us,
and it is the governor who will not go on
camera with us to discuss specific questions that we have
(13:00):
have and I do think the responsibility here lies the governor.
The governor appoints the executive director of the Priment of Corrections.
That's the boss of DOC. That's the person that determines
how this goes. That's the person that determines, Hey, we
need to look further into this to see if you know,
does Chris have some wack of doodle idea of what's
going on in the pro system or is he on
(13:21):
to something?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I think I'm onto something, but I think I would
not sort of like a lot of responsibility here lies
with Governor Polis one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, you and I are in a similar vote. He
won't come on my show either, so I can appreciate that.
But Chris, keep up the good work. We're going to
keep sharing the story. I think it's a really important story.
And we've had way too many high not even just
the high prof We've just had way too many people
whose lives were destroyed or taken by people who probably
(13:51):
shouldn't have been walking around. And I think that that's
significant and something that we should all be concerned about
as we're trying to move prime in the right to
direction in Colorado. I think all of this is connected.
So I appreciate you making this your cause and just
keeping the digging in and hopefully maybe the Attorney General's
office and the governor we'll hear some pressure and begin
(14:13):
to actually say we should probably figure out what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You talk about victims of crime, there's a man bit
of the name of Jesse Schaeffer, who was murdered back
in late June, allegedly at least according to the Royal
Police Department, by this Ricky Lee roy Ballsmith. I talked
to his family not too long ago. They live in Salida.
Their story we're going to have on Tuesday Night. This
is devastating. Victims of crime need to be heard and
(14:38):
they are curious about what we found, and quite frankly,
I don't blame that that's going to.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Be on Tuesday Night's nine News. I appreciate your time today,
Chris very much. That's Chris Vandervein. Thanks Andy, all right,
have a great day, man,
If you have been paying attention to Chris Vandervein of
nine News, He's got a great Twitter feed. He has
been on this story, and I feel like it's been
a while now that Chris has been sort of digging
into our parole system, how people are parolled, information that
the parole board uses in order to decide make decisions
about parole and Chris, first of all, welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Back to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thanks Manny for having me. Yeah, this has been a
lengthy investigation. I think technically we started working on it
in early twenty twenty four last year after a parole
lead by the name of Vincenzo Moscoso was accused of
murdering two people in northwest Denver, and since then we've
really like tried to focus in on, I think identification
(00:48):
of the what I think are some potentially systemic gaps
within the parole system of Colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So let's start really quickly with how the parole system
works in the sense that these evaluations that we're going
to talk about next, what role they play and whether
or not someone is paroled. Because the parole board is
just made up of people who come to a meeting
with information they get evaluations. They get that stuff. So
we're talking about the evaluations that are done by who
(01:14):
does these evaluations.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, by corrections officers, Department Corrections officers when they're on inside.
There's there's a number of assessments that are done and
in order to understand the story you really understand, like
basically think of this. Every six months or or every year,
the Department of Corrections, whether you're an inmate within prison
or you're arrolling who's out of prison, will try to
(01:37):
assess your risk level to reoffend. And it's really this
idea of like, can we ask you a series of
questions that we'll get to the heart of.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Let's take Chris Vanderfiedt, the felon.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Unfortunately I'm not. But let's let's take that as a
as a hypothetical hypothetical example that I will answer a
series of questions with a parrole officer crrect softs in
front of me, and they will come up with a
score that will determine am I low risk to reoffend?
Or am I very high risk to reoffend? And based
(02:11):
upon the answers that that assessment gives, you can sort
of like give finely tune the level of care, treatment.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Supervision to that person.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So it's like it's it's getting into the weeds a
little bit, but I think it's important to sort of
understand that base level. Yeah, and the higher the score
that you have, the more risk that you have. It's
not predictive fully in nature, that means to guarantee that
Chris biannit means going to reoffend if he's high risk
or very high risk to reoffend, but it means statistically speaking.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I'm more inclined to reoffend. And you want to know.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
That when somebody's out on parole, are there some of
you got to watch closely or some of you don't
have to watch this bock so and.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
One of the things, I mean, there are things, and
I want to believe that people are capable of change
and capable of rehabilitation. So I would assume that some
of those measures could change dramatically over the course of
one's incarceration. But some of those measures are should be static, right,
They should be the same on every report. How many
felonies this person has committed, has this person violated parole
(03:14):
in the past. I mean, these are numbers, These are
hard data that should never change. And that's kind of
where we're talking about here, right, That's where the.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Issues are, and that's what we're the investigation is really
sort of concentrating on because they're there. They're the more
the once more obvious errors in these assessments.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And think about it this way.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
There's a question, were you ever expelled from high school
or school?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
If the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Question is yes, If Chris, if I were expelled from
what Thomas Jefferson High School is the school I went
to here in Denver, if I was expelled from TJ,
and the answer to that is yes in twenty fourteen,
then the answer that twenty twenty four would still be yes.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That is what they call in the.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Business a static schoore, And and what we've been finding
these static scores is that sometimes, like Chris Vannery twenty fourteen,
ever expelled from DJ, yes, and twenty twenty four No,
that's a mistake, that's an error. And what conversely what
happens with that is that you know, you get one
point for answering yes to if you've been expelled from school,
(04:19):
and then you know years later if it's no, then
it's zero points. And as I talked about the amount
of points matters. The higher the points, the higher the risk.
And if you mess up on those scores, now, all
of a sudden, your risk level is getting lower than
it should, right, And that's what's happening. So you know,
and you know, lots of times it may be it
(04:40):
may be relatively inconsequential when we're talking about two points
or whatever, but sometimes it's so much that suddenly somebody
who is who is who should be like very high
or high risk, is now moderate risk or in the
example that we've talked about last a couple of weeks ago,
low risk. And that means you're not not getting a
(05:00):
lot of interaction with your prole officer, you're not being
drug tested as much. And again, you'd like to think
that people who are high risk to re offend they're
getting the most interaction with right role because that means
that they're checking in on them, are they are they
noticing maybe they're spirally, maybe they need more care. This
(05:23):
is when I say I think we've identified a systemic problem.
I'm convinced of it, because you know, while it doesn't
mean that the people that we've identified, it doesn't mean
that that absolutely they would not have murdered somebody had
they caught this. It just means that as a whole,
we're not catching people as much as we should in
(05:44):
terms of assigning their risk level, and it means overall
we're less inclined as a state to provide the right
level of care and treatment and supervision to people who
can be inherently dangerous.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I'm I'm more I mean, I'm more suspicious than you
are about about the beginning part of this, and I
think that that's the part and all of your points
you made about levels of supervision are spot on. I mean,
if you have somebody that has a propensity for violence, yeah,
I want them, if they get out of prison, to
be carefully monitored, right.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I want to know that they're.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Being looked at and being.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Followed up on.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
But the reality is is that we have kind of
a significant issue right now, and it's either sloppy record
keeping or a system that is so cumbersome that it
lends itself to sloppy record keeping and that in and
of itself needs to be fixed, or it's someone being
lazy and not doing a good job that needs to
be fixed, or it's more malicious.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You know, the suspicious level.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
In me, I'm like, is it something more malicious where
you have people that are getting numbers changed because of
either relationships within the prison or or you know, even
something more nefarious than that. And I don't want to
cast dispersions, but I think all of that should be
the focus of an intense investigation. I think whatever the
answer is, and it could be something really simple to solve.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I think that not only we.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
The public, but also the men in prison deserve to
know that their records as they are are not being
meddled with, right because how do we know they're not
being meddled with in the other direction, making low risk prisoners.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I there's a there's a man in the name of
Brian Lovin's we interviewed in our story recently. He helped
create the assessment system that Colorado uses, and he was
a verse of the idea of like actually criticizing Colorado
because he didn't want to go in that direction. But
what he did say is this, and I think it's
really important. He says it is worse to get assessments
(07:40):
wrong than to not do assessments at all, Meaning if
you're going to do them, you need to do them
correctly because you can assign. Let's say, let's say you
do have somebody who is inherently low risk and they're
treated as high risk, and you're having too much too
much resources devoted to a person who is at low
(08:03):
risk to reoffend. Ideally, what you want to do is
devote the most amount of resources you can to the
people who are statistically speaking, most likely to reoffend. This
is we don't have all the money in the world.
It's sort of like put towards parole. People on parole.
Not all of them are going to reoffend, but statistically speaking,
they're much more likely to reoffend because they've already offended
(08:24):
in the first place. They're on parole, they've gotten out
of prison, and so you want to believe that the
state is doing a good job of saying, Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Chris fanitmy is high risk.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
We're going to devote like you got to check in
with your prole officer every two weeks or every week
because we want to know how you're doing. But if
Chris Fantamin is low risk, then you don't have to
give as much resources. I don't have to check in
as often with the prole office, and we do have
a problem in this state when it comes to crimes,
(08:57):
high profile crimes that are admitted by paroles, and there
are a number of high profile crimes that have been
committed by people on parole. Next week, we're taking a
deeper look into a man by the name of Ricky
Lee Royball Smith who was on parole and he's now
(09:18):
accused of a double homicide in Aurora on colfax. And
he's also the main suspect, by the way, in a
death inside the Denver jail and a death that happened
in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
This is a guy that is potentially very dangerous and.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The state did not do a good job of assigning
his risk level.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's clear as day.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So when it comes down to what needs to happen,
I think I said these two before when I talked
to before, like it shouldn't just be up to a
reporter at nine News to investigate this problem. I openly
admit there's eight thousand people on parole in the state
Colorado right now. I cannot single handedly, with the help
(10:03):
of my team, look into all eight thousand cases and
see how the state is doing.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
But the state does have the resources and.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
The power to care a little bit more about this
and actually identify, Okay, what is the extent of the problem.
And what scares me the most is that we don't
know the extent of this problem right now.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And that is significant because we don't know how many
other paroles are out there probably shouldn't be in the community,
or I mean, even as I said, it's like, it
sounds like a silly thing to worry about that someone
who is a low risk offender would be kept in
prison right as a member of the population or likewise
it's still a criminal. But for me that does matter,
Like I want the people in our justice system to
be treated the way our justice system is designed to
(10:42):
treat them wherever they are, right at wherever level they are.
But have you seen any consistency in the records that
you have pulled? This seems to be more pervasive in
one prison or another, or does it seem to be
consistent across the whole system.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think what I've seen so far is that it's
consistent across the board. And I think what we've just
started to get into recently, we talked a lot about
assessments of people on parole, But there's assessments of people.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
That are inmates that are in prison.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And keep in mind, I'm sure you're well aware of this.
I think this is surprising for the public is if
Chris Pannamine is given a twenty year sentence to prison,
statistically speaking, I'm going to do about ten years of
that prison sentence and then I'm going to be on
parole for a certain period of time. A lot of
parole that happens in the state of Colorado is discretionary parole,
(11:37):
where the parole board gets to say, yeah, we think
you're ready to be parolled. And one of the tools
they're using to decide if somebody should be parolled discretionarily
early are these assessments. And so if you're getting the assessment,
we know they're getting these assessments wrong in prison because
we've found documented cases where they're getting these assessments wrong.
(12:02):
And it doesn't mean the pro board's going to release
this person. But if if you're looking at somebody that
you might may or may not release the prison and
they're low risk THY offend or modern risk thy offense.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You may be more inclined to proll.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That person as opposed to very high risk toy offense.
That's a problem too.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Amen to that, Chris. I appreciate the story. I've been
following along as you add. Every time I see a
new face on your Twitter feed, I'm like, oh, Chris
has found another one in his little back of Chris,
have you spoken to the Attorney General's office about this
and said, hey, would you guys or.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Could you guy?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Or can someone just get to the bottom of this,
because to your point, the state does should have the
resources to figure out what the problem is.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I would I would yes to the AG's office. But
I think specifically, it is the governor who appoints the
head of the Department of Corrections. It is the Department
of Corrections that will not go on camera with us,
and it is the governor who will not go on
camera with us to discuss specific questions that we have
(13:00):
have and I do think the responsibility here lies the governor.
The governor appoints the executive director of the Priment of Corrections.
That's the boss of DOC. That's the person that determines
how this goes. That's the person that determines, Hey, we
need to look further into this to see if you know,
does Chris have some wack of doodle idea of what's
going on in the pro system or is he on
(13:21):
to something?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I think I'm onto something, but I think I would
not sort of like a lot of responsibility here lies
with Governor Polis one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, you and I are in a similar vote. He
won't come on my show either, so I can appreciate that.
But Chris, keep up the good work. We're going to
keep sharing the story. I think it's a really important story.
And we've had way too many high not even just
the high prof We've just had way too many people
whose lives were destroyed or taken by people who probably
(13:51):
shouldn't have been walking around. And I think that that's
significant and something that we should all be concerned about
as we're trying to move prime in the right to
direction in Colorado. I think all of this is connected.
So I appreciate you making this your cause and just
keeping the digging in and hopefully maybe the Attorney General's
office and the governor we'll hear some pressure and begin
(14:13):
to actually say we should probably figure out what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You talk about victims of crime, there's a man bit
of the name of Jesse Schaeffer, who was murdered back
in late June, allegedly at least according to the Royal
Police Department, by this Ricky Lee roy Ballsmith. I talked
to his family not too long ago. They live in Salida.
Their story we're going to have on Tuesday Night. This
is devastating. Victims of crime need to be heard and
(14:38):
they are curious about what we found, and quite frankly,
I don't blame that that's going to.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Be on Tuesday Night's nine News. I appreciate your time today,
Chris very much. That's Chris Vandervein. Thanks Andy, all right,
have a great day, man,
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