September 25, 2025 • 12 mins
THE MEDIA LEARNS NOTHING FROM THE KIRK SHOOTING I get that there is a level of desperation on the Left to "both sides" the recent political violence. But when the shooting at an ICE facility in Texas broke, they got out ahead of their skis once more to declare the shooter a Neo Nazi with zero evidence to support it. My friend David Strom writes about it here and he joins me at 2:30 to talk about it. But MSNBC wasn't the only one doing it, politicians jumped out to make themselves look stupid too.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Prolific writer at hotair dot com and also a pretty
cool dude to boot. He's David Strom, and not one
but two articles today at hotair dot com that we're
gonna chat about. First of all, welcome back to the
program sir, Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Any day?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I get to be on the radio with you, and
actually we're zooming, so it's even better. I get to
see the lovely candy Collinhall. I'm a happy camper.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, I appreciate those kind words and keep them coming
and I'll keep sending the checks. Okay, a couple of
stories today at hot air dot com by you. Let's
start with the first one, and this is something literally
yesterday David, when when the story was breaking about the
ice shooting and everything else, and then a story came
out to said, oh, this young man, his mother is
(00:47):
this left wing anti gun person. I said on the
radio yesterday, hey guys, hold your fire, like don't get out,
and say, obviously he was a left wing because his
mom was left wing, like Joe, just wait until we
know more. And as if on cue, the national news
media blew right by my advice and immediately started to
(01:09):
choose a lane for this shooter. Tell me a little
bit about what MSNBC decided to do.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, they did several different things. So they.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
First indicated that it was probably a right wing shooter.
Another time they had an FBI guy on who said, well,
that kill Ice thing was probably actually a joke because
he's a fortun person. Ken Klippenstein of The Intercept actually
wrote an entire article that he was an ironic edge lord,
(01:44):
nihilist and he's just starting to throw people off, and
he had no political agenda at all, and it's all.
You know, when we were talking off the air, he said,
the MSNBC is nothing. And I actually disagree with you
on that. We're looking at you know when you think
(02:05):
that you're thinking in terms of them being a news organization, Ah,
they are not. Yes, it is a propaganda organization. And
now we've had five or six acts violent or close
to violent, acts of aggression, let us say, from the
(02:28):
left over the past two weeks, beginning with Charlie Kirk's murder,
and then you've got the attempted firebombing of.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The Fox News truck.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You've got lots of attacks on Charlie Kirk memorials. Of course,
you had the explosion of celebrations over the depth of
Charlie Kirk, and it just keeps going on and on
and on, and so what they're doing in the media
is trying to muddy the mess it. Uh. You know,
(03:03):
it's so obvious that all of these violent attacks are
coming from the left and often from Antifa. Uh, And
so they need to come up with I think multiple
narratives for different audiences. The edge, lord mean jokester is
(03:26):
for the sort of online suburban moms. Uh. And then
you've got the right wingers did it, which really goes
straight to, you know, the violent base. And what they're
trying to do is just throw a whole bunch of
fecal matter on the wall and hope that no one
(03:48):
can see through all of that to what really went on.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, the both sides, nos, the both sides. The notion
that political violence is both sides, both sides, both sides,
to your point, has been absolutely anolated over the past
few weeks. And then when you go back a little
bit further, we have had multiple shooters that have turned
out to be trans people that have either shot up
schools or shot up you know, I cannot remember, Oh
(04:13):
the guy outside Brett Kavanaugh's house that was trying to
kill Brett Kavanaugh. We now know he is trans now
and is demanding to be addressed as a woman. So
there's all of these instances, and it's been fascinating for
me to watch. I saw a news story a couple
of weeks ago this said, going back to two thousand
and five, there have been way more incidents on the
(04:33):
right than there has been left. I'm like, okay, but
let's talk about now, right, Let's talk about where we
are at this moment in time, and the both sides
argument has fallen by the wayside. What I find remarkable, David,
is that there's no trying to think of the way
to say this. There doesn't seem to be any pause
(04:53):
to get to the truth. Like the truth just stopped mattering.
And for a supposed news organ nation like MSNBC, we
all know who they are, but they really seem to
have ended the charade completely and become full board propaganda.
The truth be damned.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, first of all, those statistics are complete bs,
and there are a lot of different ways to demonstrate that.
For instance, most or at least a large fraction of
the incidents that they're talking about are actually gang related
things in prison where white supremacists and black Moslems are
(05:34):
duking it out, and they call that right wing violence.
That's not what people think about. The easiest thing to
do if you want to debunk this is name five
or six recent you know, left wing attacks, the transhooters,
all that, you know, the riots, the attacks on eyes,
(05:59):
Charlie Kirk, the latest shooting at Eyes. And then ask
a liberal who was saying, well, most of the violence
is right wing, and I asked them, well, name five, And.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You know, I can think of one in recent memory
when it comes right to the mind, and that is
the murder of those African American church goers in South Carolina.
And and that kid was a neo Nazi and we
all knew it, and everybody on the right we condemned it, David,
we condemned We didn't go.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
To a social media and celebrate it and give lists
of the next people who should be taken out. Uh.
We don't have an equivalent to the John Brown gun Club,
which has thousands of members where they're training people actually
for terrorist attacks.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Uh, you don't find anything on X about you know,
a list.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of liberals who should be killed.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You'd find leftists on Blues with the nice They tell us,
this is the calm saying nice social media place where
not only are they celebrating it, they're making suggestions.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And so.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, the both sides argument is beyond complete.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Ps. All you need to know.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Actually is that the Democrats have gone absolutely crazy defending Antifa.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
God, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Donald Trump should come out and say I love dogs
just so people on the left would start like, we'd
have videos of people kicking their dogs or shooting their dogs.
It's it's so reflexive that it doesn't even matter what
it is they are. As soon as Trump comes out
and says, you know, I love babies and ice cream
and and you know, and and peace, love and harmony,
(07:51):
they would come out against it. And it's it's reflexively stupid.
It's reflexively obvious. And I have to say I don't
love Trump's tactics, although I did admit to having a
belly laugh about the Biden auto pen on the Wall
of Fame at the White House like that. That one
got me, okay, But I'm generally speaking, I don't like
the petty, small tactics. But the reality is Trump understands that.
(08:17):
And how many times now has Trump put the Democrats
on the twenty percent side of an eighty twenty issue
and they fall for it every single time? And you
got to what it's like, do you guys not understand
you're being played half the time?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, I mean we saw this yesterday with the tilot
hal story where I mean, I don't think anyone knows
for sure the whether there's a link between tilent hall
in pregnancy and autism. The research is all over the back,
but there are videos after videos of pregnant women taking
(08:56):
talent all like tic TACs, and their reports I don't
know whether they're true or not. You know a pregnant
woman who who got liver failure from taking tile and hall, and.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You know their doctors. I saw several doctors you.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Know, tweeting out you know, do not do this that
you know because of liver toxicity. I mean, forget the
autism thing. You could kill yourself and your baby just
by taking too much talentol, and that's it can be
for some people. As few as four or six extra
(09:34):
strength tientols can kill you. The safe and effective range
for talent all, I take talent I'm not scared of it, right,
But the safe and effective range is tiny most drugs,
the overdose range is many times the therapeutic rage.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's not true with tilenhol.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
If it were approved today, it would have a black
box warning this can kill you. Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Uh okay, let me uh. I didn't mean to cut
you off right there.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I just did not.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I didn't realize about the black box warning because I'm
one of those people. I can't take aspirin or in Saints,
so my only option is tilano right, That's the only
thing I can take. And it's been that way my
entire life. I'm amazed I didn't destroy my liver during
my drinking days recovering from hangovers and just literally popping
tailand all like they were candy.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Let me move on to a.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Different story before we run out of time, because we
have to talk about Trump's appearance at the UN.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I already talked about yesterday. I loved that speech, like
I've been waiting for decades for someone to stand up
to these sanctimonious you know whats and tell him exactly
what he told them yesterday. But there were some issues
getting into the UN. He and Milania get on the escalator,
it stops, he goes to give a speech teleprompter down. Now,
(10:57):
these two things could be attributed to McKie caannical failure,
electrical blip, whatever, except there was actually chatter by you
and employees about doing these exact same things.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Oh. Absolutely, And apparently they also turned down the volume
of his speech in the actual General Assembly room.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, I mean it clearly was sabotage.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And Carolyn Levitt actually put out a tweet about this,
and no doubt people are being tracked down, and you
can rest assured that if the people who did this
are not American citizens, they will be persona on Grada
very quickly. And if they are American citizens, I certainly
(11:45):
hope that the United States government goes to great lengths
to make sure they're never employed again in anything remotely
connected to government or diplomacy.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I have idea, I mean this, David Strong from hot
air dot com. My idea is tell the un to
take their headquarters somewhere else, take back that gorgeous piece
of real estate that they inhabit in New York City,
and get all these delegates who park all over New
York illegally and never have to pay a ticket and
commit all kinds of crimes by the way, and never
(12:18):
have to pay the price. Tell them they can go
somewhere else. Let them go to one of the countries
on the Human Rights Watch or Human Rights Commissioned, like
Cuba or Angola or any of those other balls. Yeah, exactly,
those bastions of human rights at the UN. David, I
appreciate both columns, and I appreciate you man. It's good
to see you again.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Always fun.
Prolific writer at hotair dot com and also a pretty
cool dude to boot. He's David Strom, and not one
but two articles today at hotair dot com that we're
gonna chat about. First of all, welcome back to the
program sir, Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Any day?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I get to be on the radio with you, and
actually we're zooming, so it's even better. I get to
see the lovely candy Collinhall. I'm a happy camper.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Well, I appreciate those kind words and keep them coming
and I'll keep sending the checks. Okay, a couple of
stories today at hot air dot com by you. Let's
start with the first one, and this is something literally
yesterday David, when when the story was breaking about the
ice shooting and everything else, and then a story came
out to said, oh, this young man, his mother is
(00:47):
this left wing anti gun person. I said on the
radio yesterday, hey guys, hold your fire, like don't get out,
and say, obviously he was a left wing because his
mom was left wing, like Joe, just wait until we
know more. And as if on cue, the national news
media blew right by my advice and immediately started to
(01:09):
choose a lane for this shooter. Tell me a little
bit about what MSNBC decided to do.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, they did several different things. So they.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
First indicated that it was probably a right wing shooter.
Another time they had an FBI guy on who said, well,
that kill Ice thing was probably actually a joke because
he's a fortun person. Ken Klippenstein of The Intercept actually
wrote an entire article that he was an ironic edge lord,
(01:44):
nihilist and he's just starting to throw people off, and
he had no political agenda at all, and it's all.
You know, when we were talking off the air, he said,
the MSNBC is nothing. And I actually disagree with you
on that. We're looking at you know when you think
(02:05):
that you're thinking in terms of them being a news organization, Ah,
they are not. Yes, it is a propaganda organization. And
now we've had five or six acts violent or close
to violent, acts of aggression, let us say, from the
(02:28):
left over the past two weeks, beginning with Charlie Kirk's murder,
and then you've got the attempted firebombing of.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
The Fox News truck.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You've got lots of attacks on Charlie Kirk memorials. Of course,
you had the explosion of celebrations over the depth of
Charlie Kirk, and it just keeps going on and on
and on, and so what they're doing in the media
is trying to muddy the mess it. Uh. You know,
(03:03):
it's so obvious that all of these violent attacks are
coming from the left and often from Antifa. Uh, And
so they need to come up with I think multiple
narratives for different audiences. The edge, lord mean jokester is
(03:26):
for the sort of online suburban moms. Uh. And then
you've got the right wingers did it, which really goes
straight to, you know, the violent base. And what they're
trying to do is just throw a whole bunch of
fecal matter on the wall and hope that no one
(03:48):
can see through all of that to what really went on.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, the both sides, nos, the both sides. The notion
that political violence is both sides, both sides, both sides,
to your point, has been absolutely anolated over the past
few weeks. And then when you go back a little
bit further, we have had multiple shooters that have turned
out to be trans people that have either shot up
schools or shot up you know, I cannot remember, Oh
(04:13):
the guy outside Brett Kavanaugh's house that was trying to
kill Brett Kavanaugh. We now know he is trans now
and is demanding to be addressed as a woman. So
there's all of these instances, and it's been fascinating for
me to watch. I saw a news story a couple
of weeks ago this said, going back to two thousand
and five, there have been way more incidents on the
(04:33):
right than there has been left. I'm like, okay, but
let's talk about now, right, Let's talk about where we
are at this moment in time, and the both sides
argument has fallen by the wayside. What I find remarkable, David,
is that there's no trying to think of the way
to say this. There doesn't seem to be any pause
(04:53):
to get to the truth. Like the truth just stopped mattering.
And for a supposed news organ nation like MSNBC, we
all know who they are, but they really seem to
have ended the charade completely and become full board propaganda.
The truth be damned.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, first of all, those statistics are complete bs,
and there are a lot of different ways to demonstrate that.
For instance, most or at least a large fraction of
the incidents that they're talking about are actually gang related
things in prison where white supremacists and black Moslems are
(05:34):
duking it out, and they call that right wing violence.
That's not what people think about. The easiest thing to
do if you want to debunk this is name five
or six recent you know, left wing attacks, the transhooters,
all that, you know, the riots, the attacks on eyes,
(05:59):
Charlie Kirk, the latest shooting at Eyes. And then ask
a liberal who was saying, well, most of the violence
is right wing, and I asked them, well, name five, And.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You know, I can think of one in recent memory
when it comes right to the mind, and that is
the murder of those African American church goers in South Carolina.
And and that kid was a neo Nazi and we
all knew it, and everybody on the right we condemned it, David,
we condemned We didn't go.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
To a social media and celebrate it and give lists
of the next people who should be taken out. Uh.
We don't have an equivalent to the John Brown gun Club,
which has thousands of members where they're training people actually
for terrorist attacks.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Uh, you don't find anything on X about you know,
a list.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of liberals who should be killed.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You'd find leftists on Blues with the nice They tell us,
this is the calm saying nice social media place where
not only are they celebrating it, they're making suggestions.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And so.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, the both sides argument is beyond complete.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Ps. All you need to know.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Actually is that the Democrats have gone absolutely crazy defending Antifa.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
God, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Donald Trump should come out and say I love dogs
just so people on the left would start like, we'd
have videos of people kicking their dogs or shooting their dogs.
It's it's so reflexive that it doesn't even matter what
it is they are. As soon as Trump comes out
and says, you know, I love babies and ice cream
and and you know, and and peace, love and harmony,
(07:51):
they would come out against it. And it's it's reflexively stupid.
It's reflexively obvious. And I have to say I don't
love Trump's tactics, although I did admit to having a
belly laugh about the Biden auto pen on the Wall
of Fame at the White House like that. That one
got me, okay, But I'm generally speaking, I don't like
the petty, small tactics. But the reality is Trump understands that.
(08:17):
And how many times now has Trump put the Democrats
on the twenty percent side of an eighty twenty issue
and they fall for it every single time? And you
got to what it's like, do you guys not understand
you're being played half the time?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, I mean we saw this yesterday with the tilot
hal story where I mean, I don't think anyone knows
for sure the whether there's a link between tilent hall
in pregnancy and autism. The research is all over the back,
but there are videos after videos of pregnant women taking
(08:56):
talent all like tic TACs, and their reports I don't
know whether they're true or not. You know a pregnant
woman who who got liver failure from taking tile and hall, and.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You know their doctors. I saw several doctors you.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Know, tweeting out you know, do not do this that
you know because of liver toxicity. I mean, forget the
autism thing. You could kill yourself and your baby just
by taking too much talentol, and that's it can be
for some people. As few as four or six extra
(09:34):
strength tientols can kill you. The safe and effective range
for talent all, I take talent I'm not scared of it, right,
But the safe and effective range is tiny most drugs,
the overdose range is many times the therapeutic rage.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's not true with tilenhol.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
If it were approved today, it would have a black
box warning this can kill you. Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Uh okay, let me uh. I didn't mean to cut
you off right there.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I just did not.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I didn't realize about the black box warning because I'm
one of those people. I can't take aspirin or in Saints,
so my only option is tilano right, That's the only
thing I can take. And it's been that way my
entire life. I'm amazed I didn't destroy my liver during
my drinking days recovering from hangovers and just literally popping
tailand all like they were candy.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Let me move on to a.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Different story before we run out of time, because we
have to talk about Trump's appearance at the UN.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I already talked about yesterday. I loved that speech, like
I've been waiting for decades for someone to stand up
to these sanctimonious you know whats and tell him exactly
what he told them yesterday. But there were some issues
getting into the UN. He and Milania get on the escalator,
it stops, he goes to give a speech teleprompter down. Now,
(10:57):
these two things could be attributed to McKie caannical failure,
electrical blip, whatever, except there was actually chatter by you
and employees about doing these exact same things.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Oh. Absolutely, And apparently they also turned down the volume
of his speech in the actual General Assembly room.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, I mean it clearly was sabotage.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And Carolyn Levitt actually put out a tweet about this,
and no doubt people are being tracked down, and you
can rest assured that if the people who did this
are not American citizens, they will be persona on Grada
very quickly. And if they are American citizens, I certainly
(11:45):
hope that the United States government goes to great lengths
to make sure they're never employed again in anything remotely
connected to government or diplomacy.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I have idea, I mean this, David Strong from hot
air dot com. My idea is tell the un to
take their headquarters somewhere else, take back that gorgeous piece
of real estate that they inhabit in New York City,
and get all these delegates who park all over New
York illegally and never have to pay a ticket and
commit all kinds of crimes by the way, and never
(12:18):
have to pay the price. Tell them they can go
somewhere else. Let them go to one of the countries
on the Human Rights Watch or Human Rights Commissioned, like
Cuba or Angola or any of those other balls. Yeah, exactly,
those bastions of human rights at the UN. David, I
appreciate both columns, and I appreciate you man. It's good
to see you again.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Always fun.
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