October 1, 2024 • 11 mins
ISRAEL ROLLS INTO LEBANON TO TAKE OUT HEZBOLLAH We talked about Israel making a very clear choice to execute their war the way they see fit and today they are moving into Lebanon according to Israel, while Hezbollah is all like Nuh-uh. Israel is warning people in southern Lebanon to head north of the Awali River, which is about 36 miles into Lebanon. This is beyond the Litani River which was the northern border of the area the United Nations was supposed to be monitoring after Israel's 2006 war with Lebanon, which they clearly have not. Israel is being accused of lying about the incursion, as they were accused of lying about going into Gaza to bait Hamas into war (I think October 7th showed they didn't need to be baited into war) so we'll have to wait and see what happens. Israel has already been doing missions into Lebanon with small groups of soldiers to check out the tunnel system and gather intelligence for the incursion. This while Netanyahu is making less than veiled threats against Iranian leadership in a video message to the Iranian people that regime change will come faster than they might think and that Israel and Persians will live in peace when that happens. I hope he's right but I'll believe it when I see it. Cliff May from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies joins me at 12:30 to discuss it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He is a familiar voice too many of you here
on KOA.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
He's Cliff may So.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Cliff and I were just talking off the air about
my theory that the Iranians back channeled the warning.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
To the United States.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
That missiles were coming at Israel, so the US would
warn Israel so they would be prepared iron dome it up,
send their people to bomb shelters as they did, just
because Iran wanted to be seen as strong by launching
this attack, but they didn't actually want to do enough
damage that Israel would want to respond forcefully. And you say, maybe,
(00:32):
but maybe not.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Okay, Well, so look, I think it's a smart theory
and it makes a lot of sense. On the other hand,
if for the for the regime to launch two hundred
ballistic missiles and not kill a single Israeli with them
only one Palestini in the West Bank who was hit
by Shrapman, we understand so far down a full accounting,
(01:00):
that's a bit of a humiliation. On the other hand,
certainly they want to show that we're responding to what
the Israelis are doing. They said, we're doing this because
of the killing of Hasran and Ustrala in his bunker
in Beirut, the killing of a.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Small hania of Hamas who was killed in Tehran in
a guest house, and so they can show that, and
they don't want the Israelis to hit back because one
of the things they are doing and doing successfully, and
they're doing so with funds that.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Have been allowed by the Biden administration. They're they're developing
nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them not just to Israel,
but in ICBMs, inter continentalistic missiles anywhere in the world.
And they must be worried that the Israelis will simply
set back that program, or if I were the Israelis,
I'd also consider hittering karg Island, which would make it
(01:52):
virtually impossible, certainly difficult for the regime to export oil.
I think I cannot believe these even if they're being
told by the Biden administration, take the wind, takes the wind,
don't do anything more. This is the end of it.
We don't want to escalate. Hard for me to believe
that they that they will not do something fairly significant.
In response to this, Daniel Hagari, the Idea of spokesman,
(02:16):
has said that plans are under way, but they're all
trying to think as strategically as they can. And that's
what you're doing, Mandy, You're trying to think strategically.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, I mean, this is this is this is kind
of a new frontier in my lifetime or in recent
last twenty five years with Israel, because Israel has always
been able to count on the United States to have
just kind of unequivocal support, at least publicly. Right, maybe
there's some shenanigans behind the scenes, but the US government
has been a staunch ally of Israel for a very
(02:45):
long time now, for the last twenty.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Years or so.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So now after this last year cliff of anti Semitic
you know, protests on campus, anti Semitic members of Congress,
anti Semitism rising all over the world, do you think
Israel has just got on you know what, They're going
to hate us anyway. We're going to take care of
business and we don't really give a ratsass what you
have to say.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, I think that's true in as far as when
Israel thinks of what we call the international community, you know,
the UN UN Secretary General Guteris, or the quote unquote
human rights organizations or a lot of people in the media.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
They don't like us.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
They won't like us if we don't do anything, maybe
they'll pity us.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
We don't really want their pity. We'll do what we
have to do.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I would say the Obama administration was at best ambivalent
about Israel. After at the end of his second term,
President Obama, through the UN really stabbed.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Israel in the back. I can talk about how they
did that.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
They did give assistance to Israel in terms of selling
them weapons of war and providing some of military assistance.
No question, I listen to the Israeli still do require.
I mean there's really is by their new missions and
their interceptors that knock down all these missiles from Iran,
(04:04):
a lot of them from the US, and the US
I think should be an arsenal for democracies. When we
have allies fighting common enemies, we should help them do that,
especially if it means no US boots on the ground,
no US lives at risk. But this regime in Iran,
and as you know, I was a reporter there in
(04:24):
nineteen seventy nine during the Islamic Revolution, death to America
and death to Israel has been their mantra over all
these years.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Israel Is closer and.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
An easier, easier to take down, and the supreme leader
since nineteen eighty nine al kama He.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Has had a very clever strategy. It's enough. Up to
now it's been to not.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Fight the Israelis directly, but to use Arab pawns to
establish what they call a.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Ring of fire around Israel. Hamas Haswa, the Huthis Shea
militias in Syria and Iraq. That was the idea. We
know that they don't have to find that, they can
say what do we know? And meanwhile there they have.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
These foreign legions establishing essentially their empire and also doing
what they want to do, which is what which is genocide,
which is to destroy Israel and exterminate Israelis, not just Jews, but.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Those Jews are Jason.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Very interesting that these missiles today they were targeted at Jerusalem.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Yeah, well, this is a very large Arab Muslim population
in Jerusalem, and there's some fairly.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Significant moss like Alexa in Jerusalem.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Now that seemed to matter to these guys. So that's
what that's the larger picture.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
But let me just ask this this kind of question
because I think to your point about Eran.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Never really wanting to get into an actual hot war
with Israel.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I think that there is and I have this from
you know, friends and people that I know in Israel.
The attitude of the israelis this moment in time, and
of course it's not speaking for everyone, is that this
is the war, this is the this is the last
time we're going to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And the only way.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You can say that is to incapacitate a MOUs check,
incapacitate the leadership of hasbla check, and incapacitate Iran's ability
to rearm, refund and rebuild these terror organizations. Do you
think that that is the end game? Do you think
that is the mission that they are looking at?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Regime change?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
BB said yesterday, regime change could come to Iran sooner
than you think. If that's not a veiled threat, I
don't know what is.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
So I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Keep in mind that what most is, or at least
do you understand, is that this is an existential war.
In other words, Israel's existence is at risk. You know,
the US can capitulate to the Taliban and go home.
The US can lose in Vietnam and go home. Israel
can't lose as a war or it'll be a second
Holocaust in less than a century.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
We saw what we saw on ten.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Seven a year ago, was what Hamas and others want
to do to Israelis. They want to kill them, rape them,
burn the babies. That's what we're talking about. The Israelis
can't so that, I would say also to be fit,
the Israelis haven't had a clear strategy in response to
what I've just described as Kamani strategy of the Ring
of Fire.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
It's all been about, oh, we just need to mow
lawn occasionally.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So you get missiles from Hamas and Gaza, and you
strike back at a very targeted you don't try, try
not to do too much damage, and then you get
what the Israelis always called quiet for a while. That's
no longer sufficient. I think they understand that. So yes,
they have to do something about the Ring of Fire.
And yes, Hamas is close to being destroyed. It's no
(07:51):
longer a military force. It's now an insurgency.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Hez Wella.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
They have done significant damage because they've knocked off Hassan
in Estrala, but almost all his deputies. You're down to
pretty much very junior vice president levels. What you do
about Iran is much harder. But yes, I think they
believe now and I think they didn't before that we
do need a strategy to make sure that at the
(08:17):
very least that this regime, which is genocidal, which is
an ill imperialist, cannot succeed in developing nuclear weapons that
they could use against us. We are a one bomb country,
and even if they didn't use the bomb, they'd have
that nuclear umbrella over there, various proxies and foreign legions,
and so something has to be done about that.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
And again I don't know for sure, but I would imagine.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
After today they may think we've got now, We've now
got a good excuse to say, you know, we have
to respond to this. We may not get another excuse
like this for a while. We have to do some
significant damage to this regime in some way. And again,
to me, that probably means either something that the lays
the development of nuclear weapons or really constrains the regime economically, such.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
As hitting oil. They may be thinking other things too.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I've had is very high ISRAELI say to me clipped
at anytime we do something and people like you.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Say, yeah, that's what I thought they'd do. We have failed.
It has to happen is people like you said.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I never thought that they're using exposed age and people's belts.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Never thought that. That's when you know we've done that.
We've done it right?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
All right, let me ask you one last question.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's a long question, but I don't have a lot
of time, so I'm gonna ask you to be succinct.
Here two text messages totally different but very much the same.
This one says no, Israel does not exist without US support,
and another texter said, uh, we should just let Israel
go it alone.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Why are those wrong?
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Well, if you if there are plenty of people who
would like to see millions of Jews murdered again like
they were in World War Two, it's you can't kill
an idea, and the Nazi idea is still around.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's it's been transformed into a jihadist idea now, and
that may be what they want. I think that there
are free countries, democracies.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Where the leader of the free world we should be.
We don't want to give up that.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But I don't think we want to stop being the
leader of a free world, even if it's a shrunken
free world. I think we support people. It makes sense.
It was a Reagan policy. You support allies fighting common enemies.
You don't want those common enemies to prevail. That's pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yep. Could Israel survive without our support?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yes? I mean what they need.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Our support is important, particularly because they don't have the
weapons industry that we have, and we don't have the
weapons industry we should have the defense industrial conflicts we
need and our allies need. We has been shrinking for years.
We've now woken up to that. We're still but you know,
they they listen. They can do a lot. In nineteen
(11:04):
forty eight, they had the Israelis prevailed against all the
Arab nations around them, even though they had no in support,
including the US support. In nineteen sixty seven, they were
attacked another war that was meant to wipe them off
the face of the earth. They got American support, but
kind of latedly on that nineteen seventy three the same thing.
American support is very helpful to any nation under attack,
(11:26):
especially when you've got an access of aggressors China, Russia, Tehran, Venezuela, Cuba,
North Korea. Very helpful to have the us on your side,
no question about it. It's still a superpower. I think
it should be more of a superpower than it is.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That's Cliff May with the Foundation for the Defensive Democracies.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Cliff, A joy is always to see you and hopefully
we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
My pleasure to be with you, Mandy, all right, Thanks Cliff,
He is a familiar voice too many of you here
on KOA.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
He's Cliff may So.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Cliff and I were just talking off the air about
my theory that the Iranians back channeled the warning.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
To the United States.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
That missiles were coming at Israel, so the US would
warn Israel so they would be prepared iron dome it up,
send their people to bomb shelters as they did, just
because Iran wanted to be seen as strong by launching
this attack, but they didn't actually want to do enough
damage that Israel would want to respond forcefully. And you say, maybe,
(00:32):
but maybe not.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Okay, Well, so look, I think it's a smart theory
and it makes a lot of sense. On the other hand,
if for the for the regime to launch two hundred
ballistic missiles and not kill a single Israeli with them
only one Palestini in the West Bank who was hit
by Shrapman, we understand so far down a full accounting,
(01:00):
that's a bit of a humiliation. On the other hand,
certainly they want to show that we're responding to what
the Israelis are doing. They said, we're doing this because
of the killing of Hasran and Ustrala in his bunker
in Beirut, the killing of a.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Small hania of Hamas who was killed in Tehran in
a guest house, and so they can show that, and
they don't want the Israelis to hit back because one
of the things they are doing and doing successfully, and
they're doing so with funds that.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Have been allowed by the Biden administration. They're they're developing
nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them not just to Israel,
but in ICBMs, inter continentalistic missiles anywhere in the world.
And they must be worried that the Israelis will simply
set back that program, or if I were the Israelis,
I'd also consider hittering karg Island, which would make it
(01:52):
virtually impossible, certainly difficult for the regime to export oil.
I think I cannot believe these even if they're being
told by the Biden administration, take the wind, takes the wind,
don't do anything more. This is the end of it.
We don't want to escalate. Hard for me to believe
that they that they will not do something fairly significant.
In response to this, Daniel Hagari, the Idea of spokesman,
(02:16):
has said that plans are under way, but they're all
trying to think as strategically as they can. And that's
what you're doing, Mandy, You're trying to think strategically.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, I mean, this is this is this is kind
of a new frontier in my lifetime or in recent
last twenty five years with Israel, because Israel has always
been able to count on the United States to have
just kind of unequivocal support, at least publicly. Right, maybe
there's some shenanigans behind the scenes, but the US government
has been a staunch ally of Israel for a very
(02:45):
long time now, for the last twenty.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Years or so.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So now after this last year cliff of anti Semitic
you know, protests on campus, anti Semitic members of Congress,
anti Semitism rising all over the world, do you think
Israel has just got on you know what, They're going
to hate us anyway. We're going to take care of
business and we don't really give a ratsass what you
have to say.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Well, I think that's true in as far as when
Israel thinks of what we call the international community, you know,
the UN UN Secretary General Guteris, or the quote unquote
human rights organizations or a lot of people in the media.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
They don't like us.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
They won't like us if we don't do anything, maybe
they'll pity us.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
We don't really want their pity. We'll do what we
have to do.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I would say the Obama administration was at best ambivalent
about Israel. After at the end of his second term,
President Obama, through the UN really stabbed.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Israel in the back. I can talk about how they
did that.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
They did give assistance to Israel in terms of selling
them weapons of war and providing some of military assistance.
No question, I listen to the Israeli still do require.
I mean there's really is by their new missions and
their interceptors that knock down all these missiles from Iran,
(04:04):
a lot of them from the US, and the US
I think should be an arsenal for democracies. When we
have allies fighting common enemies, we should help them do that,
especially if it means no US boots on the ground,
no US lives at risk. But this regime in Iran,
and as you know, I was a reporter there in
(04:24):
nineteen seventy nine during the Islamic Revolution, death to America
and death to Israel has been their mantra over all
these years.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Israel Is closer and.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
An easier, easier to take down, and the supreme leader
since nineteen eighty nine al kama He.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Has had a very clever strategy. It's enough. Up to
now it's been to not.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Fight the Israelis directly, but to use Arab pawns to
establish what they call a.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Ring of fire around Israel. Hamas Haswa, the Huthis Shea
militias in Syria and Iraq. That was the idea. We
know that they don't have to find that, they can
say what do we know? And meanwhile there they have.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
These foreign legions establishing essentially their empire and also doing
what they want to do, which is what which is genocide,
which is to destroy Israel and exterminate Israelis, not just Jews, but.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Those Jews are Jason.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Very interesting that these missiles today they were targeted at Jerusalem.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Yeah, well, this is a very large Arab Muslim population
in Jerusalem, and there's some fairly.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Significant moss like Alexa in Jerusalem.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Now that seemed to matter to these guys. So that's
what that's the larger picture.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
But let me just ask this this kind of question
because I think to your point about Eran.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Never really wanting to get into an actual hot war
with Israel.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I think that there is and I have this from
you know, friends and people that I know in Israel.
The attitude of the israelis this moment in time, and
of course it's not speaking for everyone, is that this
is the war, this is the this is the last
time we're going to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And the only way.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You can say that is to incapacitate a MOUs check,
incapacitate the leadership of hasbla check, and incapacitate Iran's ability
to rearm, refund and rebuild these terror organizations. Do you
think that that is the end game? Do you think
that is the mission that they are looking at?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Regime change?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
BB said yesterday, regime change could come to Iran sooner
than you think. If that's not a veiled threat, I
don't know what is.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
So I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Keep in mind that what most is, or at least
do you understand, is that this is an existential war.
In other words, Israel's existence is at risk. You know,
the US can capitulate to the Taliban and go home.
The US can lose in Vietnam and go home. Israel
can't lose as a war or it'll be a second
Holocaust in less than a century.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
We saw what we saw on ten.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Seven a year ago, was what Hamas and others want
to do to Israelis. They want to kill them, rape them,
burn the babies. That's what we're talking about. The Israelis
can't so that, I would say also to be fit,
the Israelis haven't had a clear strategy in response to
what I've just described as Kamani strategy of the Ring
of Fire.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
It's all been about, oh, we just need to mow
lawn occasionally.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So you get missiles from Hamas and Gaza, and you
strike back at a very targeted you don't try, try
not to do too much damage, and then you get
what the Israelis always called quiet for a while. That's
no longer sufficient. I think they understand that. So yes,
they have to do something about the Ring of Fire.
And yes, Hamas is close to being destroyed. It's no
(07:51):
longer a military force. It's now an insurgency.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Hez Wella.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
They have done significant damage because they've knocked off Hassan
in Estrala, but almost all his deputies. You're down to
pretty much very junior vice president levels. What you do
about Iran is much harder. But yes, I think they
believe now and I think they didn't before that we
do need a strategy to make sure that at the
(08:17):
very least that this regime, which is genocidal, which is
an ill imperialist, cannot succeed in developing nuclear weapons that
they could use against us. We are a one bomb country,
and even if they didn't use the bomb, they'd have
that nuclear umbrella over there, various proxies and foreign legions,
and so something has to be done about that.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
And again I don't know for sure, but I would imagine.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
After today they may think we've got now, We've now
got a good excuse to say, you know, we have
to respond to this. We may not get another excuse
like this for a while. We have to do some
significant damage to this regime in some way. And again,
to me, that probably means either something that the lays
the development of nuclear weapons or really constrains the regime economically, such.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
As hitting oil. They may be thinking other things too.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I've had is very high ISRAELI say to me clipped
at anytime we do something and people like you.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Say, yeah, that's what I thought they'd do. We have failed.
It has to happen is people like you said.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I never thought that they're using exposed age and people's belts.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Never thought that. That's when you know we've done that.
We've done it right?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
All right, let me ask you one last question.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's a long question, but I don't have a lot
of time, so I'm gonna ask you to be succinct.
Here two text messages totally different but very much the same.
This one says no, Israel does not exist without US support,
and another texter said, uh, we should just let Israel
go it alone.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Why are those wrong?
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Well, if you if there are plenty of people who
would like to see millions of Jews murdered again like
they were in World War Two, it's you can't kill
an idea, and the Nazi idea is still around.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It's it's been transformed into a jihadist idea now, and
that may be what they want. I think that there
are free countries, democracies.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Where the leader of the free world we should be.
We don't want to give up that.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But I don't think we want to stop being the
leader of a free world, even if it's a shrunken
free world. I think we support people. It makes sense.
It was a Reagan policy. You support allies fighting common enemies.
You don't want those common enemies to prevail. That's pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yep. Could Israel survive without our support?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yes? I mean what they need.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Our support is important, particularly because they don't have the
weapons industry that we have, and we don't have the
weapons industry we should have the defense industrial conflicts we
need and our allies need. We has been shrinking for years.
We've now woken up to that. We're still but you know,
they they listen. They can do a lot. In nineteen
(11:04):
forty eight, they had the Israelis prevailed against all the
Arab nations around them, even though they had no in support,
including the US support. In nineteen sixty seven, they were
attacked another war that was meant to wipe them off
the face of the earth. They got American support, but
kind of latedly on that nineteen seventy three the same thing.
American support is very helpful to any nation under attack,
(11:26):
especially when you've got an access of aggressors China, Russia, Tehran, Venezuela, Cuba,
North Korea. Very helpful to have the us on your side,
no question about it. It's still a superpower. I think
it should be more of a superpower than it is.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That's Cliff May with the Foundation for the Defensive Democracies.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Cliff, A joy is always to see you and hopefully
we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
My pleasure to be with you, Mandy, all right, Thanks Cliff,
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