10-03-24 FULL SHOW - Kenny Wayne Shepherd, and Tina Peters Finds Out Her Fate

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Bendy Connell, Keith sad Thing. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to a
Thursday edition of the show. And boy, Audi, do we
have a big, big day planned for you? So right
before I came in here and listened for the last

(00:36):
hour and a half to the Tina Peter sentencing trial.
And you, guys, I will tell you, after listening to
Tina Peters, I am so close to feeling sorry for
her because she is the most delusional human being that
I have ever heard in my entire life. If you

(00:59):
listen to her, you would think she was actually making
the argument for sainthood not to stay out of jail.
It was crazy, absolutely crazy. And man, man, let me
tell you what's on the blog, because that's not all
we're talking about today, but we will be talking about
it after the sentencing happens. I do believe that the

(01:21):
judge is going to sentence today. I can't imagine that
he's going to hold this over. The judge has not
been suffering fools during this entire sentencing process. So we'll
find out because I've got somebody lined up to tell
us what's going on. But first you got to find
the blog and mandy'sblog dot com. That's mandy'sblog dot com.
Look for the headline that says ten three twenty four

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blog Kenny Wayne Shephard and Tina Peters finds out her fate.
Click on that and here are the headlines you will
find within tic Tech A winner.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I didn't know what's in office half of American all
with ships and clips A say that's going to press plant.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Today. On the blog, Kenny Wayne Jepherd is coming to
the springs this weekend. Tina Peters finds out her fake Today.
My voter guide is out about FEMA and North Carolina
campaign funds for hair and makeup breaks new ground. This
imaginary gang member has been busy. The dumbest dentist ever
gets even dumber crime runs natural grossers out of Capitol Hill.

(02:21):
Tim Walls trying to explain his China lie is making
it worse. And yes, Tim, you can yell fire in
a crowded theater. Employers are getting out of the insurance business.
Another city opts out of the dumb new gun laws.
Why are Canadians moving to the horrible United States? How
is the new Jack Smith indictment not election interference? Young

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people are not using condoms. There's no way to stop
political texts and calls. Well, the working class decide this election. Shocker,
Biden wants to protect iron'snookes, A musical interlude for jen
X and the joys of retirement. Those are the headlines
on the blog at Mandy's blog dot com. And there's

(03:03):
so much stuff. A lot of this is. We got
a lot of politics today, guys. I'm so sorry, so
so sorry so yesterday. And maybe I shouldn't say this
on the air, but I'm gonna say it anyway because
we're really trying to make it happen on election night,
a rod, How fun would it be on election night
to have a thank God It's over party? Wouldn't that
be fun?

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Wouldn't that be great? That's dangerous. I think it would
be a blast. I don't like to participate as a
pundit in election night coverage because it's not my favorite thing.
I've had to do it in the past, so repetitive
nocause Ryan Schuling did such an amazing job last time
that I think he's going to be roped into it again.
You will loss will because there's federal races, they're not

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local races. I mean, you know, and it's election night.
We'll take it off, but we'll take it on the
road to a party. We'll have the Kaway cast with
listeners and where we can just be like, thank god,
this is a election.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
No.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I do want to work, but I want to work
and have fun with listeners. That's what I'm talking about.
We always have fun, a lot of fun. Are you
saying you don't always have fun? Sitting in a radio
studio doing election night coverage is the one aspect of
this job that I do not enjoy. You and I
don't like it. I love it, I don't like it.
It's just very, very repetitive and and you've got to

(04:28):
try and fill the space before between results come back
and it's just all night long and then realize there's
not a winner the next morning. You know, k cast. Yes,
that's my idea.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Heyep, We're going to koa cast until they announce a winner,
even if it goes into the early.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Morning or into January like two thousand did oh god, yeah,
stop talking, stop talking. Nonetheless, I'm ready for it to
be over. I'm sick of opening up YouTube to see
anything and all of a sudden it's either Kamala Harris
or Donald Trump telling me give him money. I'm tired
of the text mess ah, the text messages.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Is this the time?

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Is it radio friendly for you to share the meme
of the thing you shared yesterday regarding election coverage?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Wait, can you say that on air? Because it was
so beautiful? Election got strippers?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Oh no, yeah, I posted that yesterday. I actually grabbed
that from a friend and said, I am stealing this
for my work page. But I'll chare with you what
this little I gotta find the actual sign now because
it's so perfect and such a great analogy. No, it's
a little sign that says idolizing a politician is like
believing the stripper really likes you. It's the best analogy
I've seen in forever. It's true, though, and this is

(05:38):
what I tell people, like, do not put your faith
in human beings to that extent. Like they're all human beings,
they all do dumb stuff, and they will let you down.
That's just the reality of life. I feel the same
way about religious leaders. When people are passionate about religious leaders,
and like, you know, religious leaders are just people. You know,

(06:00):
they may have an edge because they are at least
reading the blog, but they're just people. And people are corruptible,
and people make bad choices, and people do dumb things,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So don't get sucked
into people. This is why I made fun of people
who got sucked into the cult of Obama and why

(06:22):
truly I don't understand people who are sucked into the
cult of Trump. I do not get it. I don't
get it. Anyway, moving on today, at twelve thirty, I'm
super excited Kenny Wayne Shephard is coming to town. While
He's coming to the Springs on Sunday night as part
of what looks like an absolutely incredible show. They're calling
it the Experience Jimmy Hendrick's Tribute Tour. And not only

(06:46):
is Kenny Wayne Shephard a part of that. They have
let's see, they have Kingfish, Zach Wilde, Eric Johnson, Dweasel, Zappa,
Taj Mahal, Noah Hunt, Chuck Campbell, and Calvin Kluk of
the Slide Brothers, Motto Nanji, Dylan Tripple, and Henry Brown
some awesome musicians that are bringing Jimmy Hendrix back to
life in this show. And I get to talk to

(07:07):
Kenny Wayne Shephard at twelve thirty, And I'm super excited
about this because I'm a huge Kenny Wayne Shepard fan.
You may not know this about me, people, but I
love blues music. I have always loved blues music. I
love that it's just such an American creation. And do
you have a top ten list to your top ten
favorite songs of any genre of anything? No, your top
ten favorite hops. They can come from anywhere, because my

(07:29):
list is like it's all over the place. No, I
could do it. I don't currently have one, but I
definitely could do it. I don't put them in any
particular order, you know what I mean, Like, I don't
go one to ten, like this might never because with
my mood. No, no, no, your mood can change. Okay,
right now? Which you favorite song ever? Right now? Right now?
My favorite song ever? I would have to say the

(07:49):
Promise when in Rome, the Promise. I love that song
for so many reasons, but I also love Blue on Black,
a Kenny Wayne Shepherd song. It's in my top ten,
as is Man Dinka by Sheneade O'Connor and Let's See
the Zoo by The Scorpions, Main Street by Bob Seeger.
What else is on the list? Lots of stuff, but

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they're all over the place, but Blue on Black Kenny
Way Jeopard is one of my top ten. Absolutely love
the song, and so I'm super excited about that. We're
going to talk to him at twelve thirty. As I mentioned,
Closer by Nine inch Nails is my curR Oh, that's
a good one. Yeah, And that song is just part
That song is really really good. That is a good song.

(08:31):
Nine inch Nails, Man, they were a big part of
my life. Closer the big They were a big part
of my life in my twenties. Nine inch Nails, that
song is art like it's how long I'm looking around?
Jane then and Jane's Addiction were two of my main
main band Jane says is one of my top ten
favorite songs. Jane's Addiction because during your formative years, and

(08:53):
then Florida by Mofro, you know, and then I'm trying
to think of what else is on the list. Can't
think I should have written him down, but I didn't.
You should have. That's just stupid. But nonetheless, one of
Kenny Wayne Shepherd's is in my top ten. It was
a song that because she kind of made him famous,
it was his breakthrough song, and it's just a phenomenal song.
I put the video on the blog today. Now, as
I mentioned at the beginning of the show, the Tina

(09:15):
Peters sentencing trial is I think it's not a trial.
It's a sentencing hearing is happening right now. And I
was watching that and oh my goodness, you guys, Oh
my goodness, it's just she Tina Peters. There's something wrong
with her. And I'm not like Cas, I'm not trying

(09:38):
to be mean about it, but this woman is so
incredibly delusional about what her current situation is that it
is shocking. And I think her attitude of she literally said,
she said, I am an honest person. I lied about
Conan's identity, but I am an honest person. She said

(09:59):
those words. Think about that for a second, Like, what
the problem with Tina Peters is that there were things
that as clerk of court she could have done legally
to ensure the integrity of her system. By the way,
the prosecution went over and over and over again about
the fact that after all of this, not a single

(10:22):
single fraudulent vote was discovered, No vote flipping occurred, machines
didn't change the tally. Everything she said was going to happen,
none of it happened. Now, she could do the Alex
Jones and be like, well, of course it didn't happen
because they knew I was there and they didn't try
get one over on us. But a lot of people
from Mesa County stood up in her sentencing and said

(10:43):
she brought shame and embarrassment to Mesa County. They pointed
out the ways that she moved the goalpost. First it
was the Chinese, then it was the Serbians who changed
the election. And in all honesty, think about this for
a second. Why in the world with the Chinese government
focus its efforts on dany tiny Masa County population what,

(11:06):
I don't even know how many people live in Mason
County can't be that many. It's just the whole thing
is so absurd. But she still believes she did the
right thing. She has no remorse for any of it.
She said she did, but then her words that she's
been going on about that, there's no remorse at all.
Jimmy Singenberger is in the courtroom, so as soon as

(11:26):
they sentence her, we're going to be able to find
out what happened. And Ross asked me as he was leaving,
He said, do you think they're really going to sentence
her today? I think this judge is ready, Like this
judge already knows what he's going to do. He's listening
to all these impact statements or not impact statements, just statements,
sentencing statements, and I think he's already pretty sure of
what he's going to give her. So there may be

(11:48):
a recess, but I think it happens today. Think I
think she's going to jail.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
How long?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, she faces up to twenty years in prison. I
don't think it will be that long because that would
be a life sentence really, So maybe I wouldn't speculate
because I did not watch the entire trial, but you
can tell this judge has had enough of the nonsense
and the foolishness. And I posted on Twitter earlier today

(12:17):
the Tina Peter sentencing hearing is wild. She's as delusional
as those people in the tryouts for American Idol who
can't carry a tune in a bucket but think they
can know she's actually worse than that. And one of
one of my favorite exers that follows me wrote, she's
been demonized for doing the job that she was legally
voted into, and our corrupts secretary of State is making

(12:39):
sure she goes down. No, I can assure you that
is not the case, because I heard the prosecutor lay
out exactly what she was found guilty of, and then
I heard former Congressman Scott McGinnis talk about all of
the ways that she could have done the same thing
by following the law, and she didn't. So there you go.

(13:01):
So we'll see. We'll have that as soon as we know.
But this should be done and over with watching today.
I really do, Okay, a Ron I talked about this
previously and you probably thought I was kidding.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I think it's time for us to write Tina Peters
the musical, Like I think this needs some kind of
theatrical treatment. Now here's my question. Do you think if
I wrote the lyrics and I had a I write
the music, would that would that work? Or do I
have to find an actual composer to write the music
for my lyrics.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Let's try and run it first through the Yay, So
what they come up with, because okay, we clearly based
on you know, a couple examples that we might use
here on the show. Yeah every day. Hey, I can
do a pretty good job. So let's give it a
first whorld because also it's cheaper. Yeah, composer won't do.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
It for free.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I mean someone might, I mean think about it like this,
I mean, that is a surefire winner. Tina Peters the
musical on Broadway next exactly, Well, I'll take off Broadway.
I don't need to go Broadway. That's really ambitious. Wings
next thing there. Yeah, so yeah, I'm local high school
next year, and that would be great. A high school performance,

(14:11):
this would be fantastic. But I'm kind of envisioning now,
kind of envisioned. Oh no, it's got to be the
Tale of Tina's. It's definitely going to be the Tale
of Tina. But after listening to this today, I'm feeling
like there's almost like a Greek tragedy element that I
could put in here. Maybe have a chorus in the background.
Are you familiar with the staging of a Greek tragedy, Aron,
have you ever seen Antigony or any of those? Okay,

(14:34):
So every Greek tragedy has a chorus, and there are
usually three or four women that stand on stage and
their role is to move the story forward. Now when
you're talking about actual yes, yes, you know exactly what
I'm talking about, yees. So imagine this. Imagine a chorus
where every time Tina does something, the chorus pipes in

(14:54):
to kind of tell what actually happened as Tina moves
delusionally in another direction. Yes, and it did not go over.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Now you're with me, she told some lies and nashlle
go to jail.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
For five exactly. Now you're starting to feel it. Now
we're cooking with gas. I think it'd be fantastic. And
then during the trial portion, the chorus can just move
over into the jury box and serve their role as
the jury while still remaining the chorus. Here's another fun
fact about your host. I love Greek tragedy. I have

(15:29):
been in like four Greek tragedies in my life because
I never missed a chance to try out for a
Greek tragedy. They're fantastic, So good. God, I really want
to see Hercules live action, like on Broadway. Oh yeah yeah.
Typical front range snob thinking you're just so much better
than the Western Slope and yes, Tina as an embarrassment?

Speaker 4 (15:50):
What what is what?

Speaker 6 (15:51):
What?

Speaker 3 (15:52):
What did I say about the Western Slope except there
aren't very many people in Mason County? How is that
inaccurate in any way, shape or form? How is that degrading?
Some would say the people of Mesa County are doing
it right by not living in a population center. I
don't know what is happening on the text line or
what is happening between me and the listeners, But over

(16:12):
the last few days I've gotten these wack of doodle
text messages that say I said something I did not say.
Is there something wrong with the compression a rod? Is
it squeezing the sense out of what I'm saying? I
don't know. Hey, I could be at work here as well.
Maybe mean who knows, Mandy, I'm baffled by your obsession
with Tina Peters. This story is wild, and today it
comes to fruition because you talk about on the show

(16:34):
you now have an obsession with it. Well, a great
tragedy is kind of an obsession. Okay, that's right. I
mean that is a little bit different because it's again
a great story. It's a great story from a pure
drama point of view.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
So yeah, is it.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Wrong to ask the text line to vote on whether
Tina should have her own?

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's a good idea, Mandy. And classical Greek theater chorus
members were male, well, all the people were male. Women
weren't allowed to act, but a lot of times they
were playing women in the chorus like they played other
women in the show. Same In Shakespeare's time, there was
no female actresses, so it was all played by men. Really, yeah,
no female. All the men were in drag that played
the female characters. But Shakespeare Bear did, Yeah, Romeo and yeah,

(17:20):
Juliette was a all male actors because back then it
was not it was not thought that women should be
doing that particular. Mandy, I love the Greek tragedy thing.
Please do it. There you go, There you go, Mandy,
she's obviously mentally ill. Do you feel better about abusing

(17:42):
her more? You guys, I'm not abusing her. I'm telling
you what is going on. She's delusional. It's sad, but
she committed a crime. And really, you have to stop
this because what if let me ask these Texters who
were all like, oh, Tina's a victim, what if it
was a Democrat? What if it were a Democrat? Would

(18:04):
you have that much compassion for a Democrat who did
the exact same thing? Is that okay with you? Because
if that's okay with you, then there is no election security.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (18:15):
What what?

Speaker 5 (18:16):
What from the horse's mouth Jimmy Sangenberger, Oh, breaking news.
Eight and a half years in prison?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Wow? Months? Answer? Wow, Well we're going to talk to
him at one o'clock eight and a half years. Wow,
six months? That is what's the six months?

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Then?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Six Well, that might be the six month slarity served. Ah,
that might be just time served. He oh you guys,
that's a lot eight and a halvy, that's a lot.
Wow wow.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Mandy, Mason County population one hundred and fifty six thousand people.
That's a lot of people. Okay, let me ask you, texter,
is one hundred and fifty six thousand people in the
entire county China focusing on Mesa County or would they
do better by focusing on Miami or Orlando, or I
don't know, the Denver Metro with millions of people in it.

(19:13):
You guys, you're missing the bigger point here. Maybe when
in jail she sings, I want to sleep on my pillow.
I want Oh, that's good, that's good. One of the
things she admitted into evidence was that she was accused
of taking campaign donations from Mike Lindell because he proved
he flew her to his cyber symposium on a private jet.

(19:36):
So she showed the receipts that she reimbursed him for
the private jet flight for six hundred and fifty eight
dollars a rod, When was the last time you flew
on a private jet for six hundred and fifty eight dollars?
You know, a whole lot of never. You know what,
that's funny because I too have never flown on a
private jet for six hundred and fifty eight dollars.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
By the way, for the musical, very good idea would
be to rein Asian slash, reimagine different old school musical
songs into making it relatives.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Are you talking, Well, we're gonna have to work, well, well,
neotles work.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
We're gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, we'll have something ready to go, and you know,
in the next year, we'll be right back and we're
gonna have Kenny Wayne Shepard next. In my top ten
list of all time favorite songs, Blue and Black is
part of that, and Kenny Wayne Shepard is the art
of the artist behind it. He is going to be
in the Springs this weekend for a show that looks
like it is going to be an absolute barn burner. Kenny,

(20:32):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Hey, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
You know, I'm a big fan. I love blues music
just across the board. Not all of my top ten
songs are blues songs though, So you're in You're in
rare company there with Shenead O'Connor and When in Rome
and Bob Seeker. So, uh uh, what drew you? Because
you've been you've been doing this a long time. You
started as a very young guy. What drew you to
this style of music in the first place?

Speaker 6 (20:57):
Well, my dad famously took me to much Firs concert
when I was three years old and I was Muddy
Waters and John Lee Hooks.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Oh get you started writing?

Speaker 6 (21:05):
Yeah, I think anybody you know who would go see
them for their first concert would probably wind up a
lifelong blues fan, So I mean there is that. And
then you know, my dad worked at radio station. We
went to every concert that came through town. We got
to meet the bands, and so I grew up around music.
And then you know, at age seven, I got to
meet and see Stevie Rayvaughn play for the first time.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Oh wow, And that's really what lit.

Speaker 8 (21:27):
The fire in me.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
You know, I saw him play and all I wanted
to do was get my hands on her electric guitar
and try and learn how to play with that passion
that he he had.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, mister accomplished. I'm just going to say that I
will ask, like, when did you actually start playing the
guitar and what was that like for you? Were you
kind of one of those kids that immediately became obsessed
with it and spent all of your free time doing that?
How did that work?

Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yeah? I mean I was a kid that would come
home from school and you know, when my friends were
out doing whatever kids do, I was in the house
for four or five six hours a day just playing
guitar because it's it gave me focus and I just
really enjoyed it, even when I couldn't make it sound great.
I was determined to learn how to do that, and
so I got a lot of personal satisfaction out of it,

(22:10):
and it was a lot of fun, and it was
a tedious process. I play by ear. I don't read music,
you know, if I learned songs one note at a time,
one quart at a time. But it worked for me,
and thankfully, you know, I've been able to make a
career out.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Of it, and quite a career it is. I listened
to your new album that just recently came out today
and it's outstanding as well. And I wanted to ask
you kind of about blues music in the United States
because I got to a lot of shows, go to
a lot of blues festivals, and for a genre that
came out of the African American South, is a lot
of white people that are going to these shows. Now,

(22:43):
you know, is this has the entire audience? Is the
entire audience mostly white folks? Not to make this a
racist thing, I just think that that's an interesting development.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
Well, yes, I mean, for the most part, I guess
it just depends on who the artist is that's playing,
who they're coming to see. But you know, I think
it definitely still receives support from you know, the African
American community. But I mean, I think the biggest thing
is like with the British invasion, and you know, that
went back in the sixties when in sixties and early

(23:15):
seventies and early eighties even you know, when like the
America had kind of moved on from blues music to
other things, but the English were the ones that were
really supporting the music.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
At that point.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
You had bands like the Beatles and the Rolling Zones
and Eric Lappen and Jeff Beck and all these incredible
legendary musicians that came out and then they were spreading
the word about blues music and they turned on a
really big white audience onto this music. And that's what's
helped keep it, you know, growing and continuing to thrive.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Do you play all over the world, and if so,
how are you received, because this is a uniquely American
form of music. How has that received overseas?

Speaker 4 (23:53):
People love it.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
I mean, there's an appetite for it, for sure, and
so you know, we've definitely made it a point to
go over and play for the people over in Europe.
And you know, a couple of years back, we went
to India and played, you know, blues music for people
in India and South America, I mean all around the world.
There's definitely an audience for us.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Who do you listen to when you are just like,
you know, cleaning your house or doing the lawn or
whatever you do in your free time. Who are the artists,
both new and old that you enjoy?

Speaker 8 (24:23):
Well, to be honest with you, right now, when if
I'm listening to music around the house, I put on
like nineteen forties music, like big band, Oh yeah, Sway
Glenn Miller.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
Because yeah, the thing about it is is like that
music is appropriate for any occasion. You can have a
dinner party, you can just invite friends over, you can
sit down with your wife or your significant other just
to relax, I mean anything, your pool party, whatever it is,
you put that music on it. There's never a wrong
time to hear that kind of music. So that's generally
the background music that's going on.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
In my house.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
So should we be expecting a clarinet to be added
to the Kenny Way Shepherd experience? Anytime you do have.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
A horn section in the band. We've had a horn
section for a couple of years now.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Well, I've not seen the horn section. I've actually seen
you a couple of times. Looking forward to seeing you again.
But let's talk about this show on Sunday night, because
this is not just you. When I looked at this
this morning, I was like, Holy cow, how do they
get all of you guys together to do this? Tell
me about this tribute to Jimmy Hendrix.

Speaker 6 (25:24):
Yeah, well, it's put on by the Experience Hendricks people,
you know, the Official Hendricks organization, and so you know,
we were doing this for a while before COVID happened.
It was a bi annual event and we did it
every other year and an incredible lineup, and then it
had about a five year break because of COVID and
people getting back to work. So now we're back at

(25:45):
it again and it's like an incredible lineup of amazing
musicians that are all paying tribute to the gray guitar
player of all time. So it's all Jimmy Hendrix's music
done by some of your favorite musicians. I mean, you
guy Zach Wilde, who's famous for being with Ozzie Osbourne
for so many years. And you've got Eric Johnson, he's
a guitar virtuo. So we got d Weasel Zappa, who's

(26:06):
Frank Zappa's son, an incredible guitar player. Some of the
shows we had Taj Mahal, who's a blues legend YEP himself,
and then we have Chris don kingfish Ingram who's a
young up and comer in the blues, two time Grammy
Award winner, and there's many, many more. But you know,
it's a revolving door. We start the show and artists
come out and they do some songs, and then sometimes

(26:27):
another artist will join that artist on stage, and then
those guys step down, another artist comes up, and it's
just one after another after another after another, and it's
a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
How did you guys decide who gets to play?

Speaker 1 (26:39):
What?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
What'd you draw? Straws? What did that look like? You
throwed out?

Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yes, well, some of us have been doing this tour
together for a while, so you know, my songs that
I do, I've been doing them for many years now,
so yeah, but yeah, you just kind of have to
kind of pick from what's available. To be honest with you,
if you're new to the tour, then you kind of
have to choose from the songs that haven't already been taken.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Do you do you haze people by telling them that
they have to play like some really obscure song no
one's heard of, and like that's your only shot, chief.

Speaker 6 (27:09):
No, But I will tell you Eric Johnson he picks
some obscure songs, and he also picks the most difficult
Jimmy Hendrix songs, and he recreates some like note for note,
which is really impressive. So there's no hazing. But you know,
if you leave people creative minds generally, will you know,
they'll gravitate to what interests them. Is for some people

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it is doing the incredibly complicated stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
I was going to ask you, how much of this
is you playing like Jimmy Hendrix or how much is
this of you sort of interpreting and putting your own
spin on Jimmy Hendrix.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
Well, it's a little bit.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Of all of it.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
But for me, it's it's me doing, you know, my
interpretation of his music. And for some artists it's film
doing their their take.

Speaker 8 (27:54):
On his music.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
And then for others like Eric Johnson, you know, he's
playing that stuff note for and he's working incredibly hard
to like recreate them authentically. And Dewezil does the same thing,
so it's a little bit.

Speaker 9 (28:08):
Of all of it.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
To be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
What songs do you play?

Speaker 8 (28:12):
So currently I'm doing.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
Gypsy I's and then we do a song called come
On Part one, and then we do I Don't Live Today,
which I recorded on my second album, Trouble Is, and
then we do a medley of two of my favorite
Hendrick songs, which one of them is Bootshout Blues, and
go into Boodhshout Slight Return, which is one of the
most famous Hendrick songs.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
All right, now, somebody just said our text line and said, Mandy,
if you haven't mentioned it today, it's the birthday of
Stevie ray Vaughn. Just saying so happy birthday, but you know,
obviously posthumously. Kenny Wayne Shepherd super excited that you're coming
to town. I hope you enjoy your stay and have
a great show. And it's just been a real pleasure
talking to you. I appreciate your time today.

Speaker 6 (28:52):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
I appreciate it, all right.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
That is Kenny Wayne Shepherd. You can see him Sunday night.
I put a link on my blog too. You can
buy tickets. It's the Pike's Peaks Senter down in the
Springs and the lineup looks crazy, so check it out.
Jimmy Seckenberger is he was in the courtroom today for
the Teina Peters sentencing. She got eight and a half
years in prison, six months in jail. I thought she
had served time. She'd only served like a day. Kathy

(29:17):
Walker clarified that for me. So she's going to do
six months in jail and then eight and a half
years in prison. Of course, she will not serve the
full eight and a half. She will be paroled, unless,
of course, she somehow manages to take over the prison
and make them all her minions. I'm kidding, I'm kidding,
totally kidding. So a little bit later in the show

(29:38):
as well. Michael Brown, my colleague from across the hall
at k HOW and former FEMA director, I have not
been talking about the government response in North Carolina for
a couple of reasons. One, I've been through hurricane recovery
and it's brutal and it's terrible, and I understand the
mechanisms of why things cannot happened instantaneously, and when you

(30:01):
factor in the terrain and the destruction that occurred in
North Carolina and parts of Tennessee. You know, I've kind
of been wanting to give them a little grace, but
mcgrace is running out. Well, we're going to talk to
Michael about it today. Obviously he has an insider's view
of that. That is going to come up at about
two thirty. So in the meantime, I got a couple
of things that I want to get to right now.

(30:23):
One of them is one of the things that that
people are always struggling with is health insurance and how
to get health insurance. And businesses are trying to figure
out the way the most efficient way to offer health
insurance to their people, and more and more businesses are
choosing a different path. And I think this is super

(30:44):
interesting and I wanted to bring it to your attention
because if I had a small business and I wanted
to offer benefits right so I could be competitive in
my field with other people and get the best in
the brightest, this would probably be something I would look into.
And it's called an individual covering health reimbursement arrangement. And
instead of actually providing a health plan, contracting with an

(31:07):
insurer and going through all that rigam role, business simply says, Look,
we're gonna give you X amount of dollars every month
to secure your insurance and buy it. You pay for it,
We're basically going to reimburse you for it. Now, I
do believe, and I'm not super positive about this. I
was looking into it this morning, but I did not
find the answer that I was looking for, and I

(31:28):
didn't find any answer to tell you the truth to
this particular part. I do think that you have to
demonstrate that that money has been passed through to a
health insurer. You can't just say, yeah, give me an
extra five hundred dollars and I'm just going to spend
it on hookers and blow. You have to actually demonstrate
that you are using it for health insurance. Now, if
I owned a small business, this is what I would do.

(31:50):
I would pay for a primary care benefit plan for
all of my employees because a primary a direct primary
care plan allows your employees to go see a doctor
when they get sick or they need something, and they
don't pay anything out of pocket for those visits. Now,
if they need tests or stuff like that, they're going
to have to pay out of pocket for that. But

(32:12):
most direct primary care people they charge market like basically
wholesale rates for all the testing. You pay a membership
fee every month, and then your people get access to
a doctor and it's very very personal. And then I
would give them a little bit more in the form
of an individual coverage health reimbursement arrangement to buy a

(32:32):
catastrophic coverage plan with a high deductible because most people,
a vast majority of people never need to see a specialist.
That's just I mean, most people are pretty healthy. It's
like thirty percent of consumers need to see a specialist
on an annual basis. So they've got to have some
kind of coverage if they get cancer or have a
heart attack or something like that. But then you reimburse

(32:52):
them for that. You get them the direct primary care
coverage and bada bing bata boom, you've got a great
benefits plan for not very much money. And you can
talk to my friends at Pinnacle Advanced primary Care if
you want more information about that, because they are direct
primary care and Travis is so good at explaining what
those options are. But this is one of those things
that I think people would be like, oh my goodness,

(33:13):
I can't do this on my own. You absolutely can Now.
The problem is that, and I didn't put this article
on the blog today, saw it yesterday, was that the
Affordable Care Act plans are getting worse. They're just getting worse.
So it would be a situation where you would want
to try and buy insurance on some kind of open market.

(33:34):
The insurance market has been really screwed over by all
this government interference, so we're gonna have to wait and see.
But I just thought that was super interesting. I put
that on the blog if you want to read more
about that story. I'm trying to find someone an expert
that can talk specifically about this form of insurance for
a couple of reasons. One, we're about to enter open
enrollment right where you have to choose what you're going

(33:55):
to do for next year. And if you work for
a company or you own a company and you're looking
to make a change, now's when you've got to do it.
So that's why I wanted to talk about this today.
So check it out. It's really really interesting. It's an
innovation that I think is a really good one and
will probably cost a small business a lot less than
having to pay for a big insurer to come in

(34:16):
and insure your people, because what people don't realize about
group health insurance, the reason it's so much cheaper is
that your company subsidizes your premiums or most of the time,
not all the time, some pass it all through. So
just check it out. Just some of to think about
health insurance is so confusing and annoying, and anything I
can do to hopefully inform people about it, I'm going

(34:36):
to do it when we get back. Jimmy Seckenberger joins
us to talk about what Tina Peters faces and the
cuckoo sentencing hearing today. It was just nuts. We're going
to do that next.

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Speaker 3 (35:07):
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You can call him a rod but but waiting, thank you,

(35:28):
Just just let me hang in, just just hung me
right out to dry there. I pause dramatically. There was nothing, uh,
speaking of nothing. Jimmy Singeberger is not joining us right now,
but for a good reason. He was in the courtroom
for the Tina Peters hearing. He is now going to
get an interview with the district attorney, so he will
be with us at two o'clock after he does that,

(35:48):
and we will get all of the details from today's
sentencing hearing. Tina Peters, if you didn't just here, got
eight and a half years in prison, six months in jail.
And you know that's a big sentence, of very big sentence,
actually bigger than I thought. But I also think that
if she had walked in and said, man, did I
screw up? I am so sorry. I can't believe I

(36:09):
let this get this out of control, and I am deeply,
deeply sorry for my actions, that prison sentence would have
been a lot lower. But that's not at all what happened.
So anyway, let me do this stories a couple stories instead.
I've got a couple things to follow up on about
the debate, the vice presidential debate a couple nights ago.

(36:30):
There was multiple times during the night that I my
head exploded and I yelled curse words into the room,
and one of them was this, can I have my
audio a rout thank you.

Speaker 10 (36:42):
One of them was this moment. It's a damning non
answer for you to not talk about censorship. Obviously, Donald
Trump and I think that there were problems in twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
We've talked about it. I'm happy to talk about it further.

Speaker 10 (36:52):
But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy,
the most sacred rite under the United States. Democracy is
the first of you, yourself have said there's no First
Amendment right to misinformation. Kamala Harris wants to threaten to
be government and big tech to silence people from speaking
their minds.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Now, let me back that up just a little bit
to where Tim interrupts. I need you to hear what
he said. Wants to threatennment. He says there's no freedom
of speech for threatening or hate speech. But I'll let
Jada continue tech.

Speaker 10 (37:21):
To silence people from speaking their minds. That is a
threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment.
I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship.
Let's persuade one another, Let's argue about ideas, and then
let's come together afterwards.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. Yes, Yes,
you can. This is one of those things that people
who are arguing against free speech trot out like a
little trope. And when he said that, I, well, let's
just say that I might have engaged in some less
than kind speech at that moment in time. That freeze

(37:59):
comes from a truly awful decision court decision from the
early nineteen hundreds, and that phrase was part of a
court decision that was later overturned. Yeah. So I'm not
convinced that Tim Walls even understands the Constitution. I just

(38:20):
realized if with the wrong link in there, and I'll
have to fix it. Okay, I'll fix that. In a second.
Reason dot Com jumped on this. They are the libertarian website,
and they point out that, yes, you absolutely can run
yell fire in a crowded theater. You'd be a complete
jerk to do it, but you absolutely can. From Reason

(38:42):
dot Com, Walls defended his position, glibly, asserting that it
is constitutionally impermissible to yell fire in a crowded theater.
This is an oft express sentiment and one that is
completely and utterly false. It comes from the Supreme Court's
odious opinion in the nineteen nineteen case Shank versus United States,
in which the majority held that the government could stop

(39:04):
people from distributing leaflets opposing World War One. Justice Oliver
Wendell Holmes likened such activism as akin to yelling fire
in a crowded theater. In other words, he believed that
raising doubts about the desirability of the US participating in
such a global catastrophe was dangerous and could be prohibited. Today,

(39:26):
we recognize the right to criticize US military policy and
oppose foreign wars is an essential component of the First Amendment,
and the Supreme Court agrees chink was gradually overturned by
subsequent decisions. The right to engage in speech that the
government might deem reckless, dangerous, or hateful was explicitly affirmed

(39:46):
in the twenty seventeen case mattal versus tam in which
Justice Samuel Alito observed, the proudest boast of our free
speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express
the thought that we hate. It could not be more simple.
Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. So that's
one part of the debate the other night that made

(40:07):
me lose my mind. There were really a few that
really the Nora O'Donnell you need. The scientists agree that
the glob would wear me has caught that man. I'm
not saying somebody should smack her, but I wanted to
smack her, like I want to smack that smarmy look
right off your face, even though I do not recommend it.
Please don't smack Nora o'donald if you see her. I'm
sure she's a lovely person in real life. The man

(40:30):
I wanted to just said, but I didn't, and I'm
not recommending anybody else to it, to be clear. The
other part about this was the disastrous response of Tim
Walls when asked about his lying about being in Tianaman
Square during the Tiananman Square massacre where the Chinese people

(40:51):
killed a bunch of Chinese protesters who wanted freedom, and
he sat in Congress. I played the audio for you yesterday,
sat in Congress and regaled Congress with his clear memory.
He remembered so well, being in the train station talking
to Europeans who were upset that they were going because
blah blah blah blah blah. It was all a complete lie,

(41:11):
just a complete boondoggle. Okay, he got to China in
August of that year. Tanama Square happened June fourth. Okay,
listen to this. Now he's on the campaign trail and
now reporters who have not been able to ask him
any questions because he and Commler are wrapped up in
bubble wrap and they're not answering any questions. Now the
reporters are like, oh, we're gonna go check this out.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yeah, look, I have my dates wrong.

Speaker 9 (41:39):
I was in Hong Kong and.

Speaker 11 (41:41):
In nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Now let me just stop right there. Okay. Having your
dates wrong is when somebody says, hey, do you remember
that restaurant we ate at a couple of weeks ago
and you were like, oh, when we had lunch on Tuesday. No,
it was Thursday. That's having your dates wrong. Fabricating a
memory about one of the significant events in the modern
era in China is not having your dates wrong. But

(42:06):
I'll let him continue.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
And that.

Speaker 11 (42:12):
That move from Hong Kong into China, it was profound
for me.

Speaker 9 (42:15):
That was the summer of democracy.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
I said. It's where I understood how sacred democracy was.

Speaker 11 (42:19):
It's what encouraged me about fifteen back and forth with
my students.

Speaker 9 (42:24):
Taking them to China.

Speaker 11 (42:26):
To understand both first of all, the culture, but also
to teach Chinese students about democracy. That was part I
was one of the first group of high school students.
There weren't a lot of times that there are high
school teachers in there that you could teach in.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
The Chinese high school.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
And so you've seen me.

Speaker 11 (42:41):
These teachers see me, I speak like everybody else speaks.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
I need to be clearer.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
I will tell you that.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
But here's my whole point on that.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
I need to be clearer. Being clearer would be like, look, okay,
I self aggrandized. I made up a story to make
myself seem more important when in reality it was not true.
I should not have lied. I'm embarrassed by this conduct
and I never should have said that. But he doesn't.
But I'll let Tim continue.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
I've been with China.

Speaker 11 (43:08):
I do understand China a hell of a lot better
than Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Kamala Harris understands China. I will tell you this. Shijing
Ping is not someone you should look up.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
To, and Xijing Ping is not someone who you should.

Speaker 11 (43:20):
Say does a good job on things, as Donald Trump's
has said about COVID and My point on this was
Donald Trump got played on a trade war. He created
the largest episode with China and American history, and he
cost us.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
One hundred and fifty thousand jobs.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
So my clarity to.

Speaker 11 (43:36):
Take away from the messages sometime I want to be
very clear August of eighty nine into Hong Kong, into
China fifteen times with students to try and do this.

Speaker 8 (43:44):
My point being on this, Kamala.

Speaker 11 (43:46):
Harrison, I understand American jobs are more important than where
Donald Trump tried to save Chinese jobs.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Now I have a question, and let's just go with
the old Tim. The old Tim said, I was in
Tianaman Square. Now, if you watched Chinese government tanks run
over people and kill them in the street, would you
still think that culture was worth taking students back to
fifteen times? His love affair with China is long and deep,

(44:14):
and I think disqualifying. They are a geopolitical foe. And
his explanations of I know Chinese culture, well, then you
should know that communists are terrible people. But yet he
doesn't seem to understand that. By the way, I'm only
going to refer to him as Tim from now on,
because though I refer to Vice President Harris as Vice

(44:36):
President Harris because I never want people to forget that
she's literally the sitting vice president of the United States,
no matter how hard she tries to deflect the fact
that she's actually in office right now. But I read
this really stupid story by some woman that essentially, let
me just I'm just gonna I'm gonna get the vibe.

(44:57):
I'm just going to get the feel for it right now.
I don't have it in front of me. I'm just
gonna go for memory. Why is it that we only
referred to female politicians by their first name. It's so disrespectful.
We don't do it to anyone else. We only do
it to women because it's just the misogyny and the
patriarchy trying to hold women back by making them seem unseerious. Well,

(45:19):
let's be real. It started with Hillary because there had
already been a Clinton for president, so we started calling
Hillary Hillary. And in addition to that, Hillary wanted to
be called Hillary because we needed to humanize her because
everyone hated her, so in order to make her seem
warm and likable, they were like, we're just gonna go

(45:40):
with Hillary twenty sixteen, or yeah, it was twenty sixteen,
and now it's just gone on. And by the way, newsflash,
Kamala Harris had little children come out at the DNC
to teach everyone how to say her name, Aerard, do
you remember how to say her name as taught to
us by the three children at the d hard to

(46:00):
mess it up? Now, what is it? Kamala Kamma, followed
by la la la. That's how they taught us. Kamal
la la la Kamala. That's what I know. Vice President
Harris and her running mate Tim, because I'm want to
throw the sexism right back at him. If it's insulting,
Bye gosh, by golly, I'm calling Tim Tim from now on.

(46:21):
This is a perfect example of taking something that shouldn't.
You're gonna have to deal with it. Right once the
people in Minnesota started reporting that he wasn't in Tiannaman Square,
you knew the jig was up, like it's over at
that point, and now all you can do is damage control.
And if he had just come out and admitted it
and apologized and said I'm an idiot, I'm sorry I

(46:44):
made it up, it would have taken the sting out
of it. But now it's gonna be sting, sting, sting, sting, sting,
sink six sing, and not the fabulous musical artist by
the same name, just a sting. So yeah, he's Tim Walls.
You remember when everybody was like, oh god, he's so folksy.
We love that Tim Walls. He's so folksy. We just

(47:06):
love him. Like I said yesterday, I would totally hang
out at a barbecue with him, Like I would go
have beers with him, I'd go shoot sporting clays with him.
He's probably really fun to be around. But do I
want him a heartbeat away from the White House. No,
I do not, not one bit anyway. So that is
on the blog today. Those videos are on the blog
as well. Now I have to talk about a story

(47:28):
that we've kind of been dipping into as it's been
going on. But this is this is one of those
crime stories where you have to wonder, like, I don't
understand how this dentist who allegedly killed his wife can
be as dumb as he appears to be and still

(47:50):
have become a dentist. Like my dentist, doctor Larry O'Neil,
is very smart. I'd always thought you have to be
kind of a smarty to be a dentist and go
to dental school and pass all the dental exams. But
apparently not because doctor James Craig is an idiot if
you're not following this story, so he I'm just gonna
say this as if it's a done deal, because I

(48:12):
absolutely believe he did it so allegedly. I'm gonna put
one allegedly at the front. Then I'm gonna tell you
what he did. Allegedly, this dentist ordered poison off of
the internet, had it delivered to his dental office, and
then used it the same poison that was delivered to
his dental office, to put it in his wife's smoothies.

(48:32):
And he murdered his wife using this poison that he
had delivered to his dental office. Now he gets arrested,
and now it is revealed that he is accused of
now attempting to coerce a fellow inmate into agreeing to
a bizarre plan to make it look like she framed

(48:52):
him for his death. That he's trying to make it
look like she ordered the poison to come to his office.
But then I call me crazy like a rod if
I came to you and said, ay Rod, I just
got a box of poison. Crazy, I just know, I
just I wasn't talking to you. I was yeah, the
audience called me crazy and then I said, ay Rod,

(49:14):
So A Rod. What if if I came to you
and I said, hey, a Rod, I just got a
box of poison delivered to me and I'm I'm not sure.
I'm not sure how like, and you would have been like, well,
I didn't order it in your name, no way, no,
But what would you do with said box of poison
that you didn't order. Probably not go near it, touch it,

(49:35):
smell it, I don't interact with it. I'm thinking maybe
you would call the police because it was obviously a
box of poison. It was marked poison. I think, like
with the skull and crossbones, like like from like a cartoon,
like it literally says, but regardless, if you get sent
a box of poison in the mail, my first thought
is maybe I'm just paranoid. Someone is trying to kill me,

(49:56):
right like, this is not this is intended to kill me.
And I called the But apparently Duke took it home
where his crafty wife. She's obviously the mastermind of this
entire situation. His crafty wife then decided that she was
going to somehow sneak it into her own beverages and
then hide it so when she died everyone would be like, Aha,

(50:18):
you're dead and your husband did it. It's that's not it.
This guy is like a master criminal. He allegedly also
attempted to coerce his former mistress into helping him with
his He said, my problem down here. He tried to
convince one of his daughters to cover up evidence, and
asked a second inmate to tamper with evidence in his

(50:41):
wife's death. This is all according to testimony and court records.
The latest development was revealed in an evidentiary hearing to
amend a fourth count against him from tampering with evidence
to perjury. Dude, this guy, I mean he's not Tim Walls.
Tim Walls is not as bad as this guy. But
this this is like one stupid thing after another. Like, dude,

(51:04):
you watched way too many episodes of Law and Order
and then you thought you were going to pull off
the crime of the century. And the people I really
feel sorry for here are his children, because his children
have no mother and now they know they have a
psychotic idiot as a father. That's terrible, absolutely terrible. So
I'm ready. He's accused of first degree murder, by the way,

(51:26):
and I don't know when his trial is going to start.
I have no idea. Listen to this. You got to
hear how dumb this guy is, because not only does
he try to get this stuff done, he puts it
in writing. Okay. In an April twenty twenty four letter
Craig wrote to a former jail pod mate, he outlined
an elaborate plan for the man to find one or

(51:48):
two women who would be willing to lie to the
district attorney and Craig's own lawyers about a supposed affair
they were having with Greg. In the letter, Craig advised
William Walben to to keep their relationship secret. He should
use code words when they communicated in the jail phone line,
Harry Potter, if he found one woman willing to participate

(52:09):
and captain America for two, you guys, this is like,
you know what, Forget the Tina Peters musical. Forget it.
We're going all in on the Killer Dentist musical. This
is the thing that's happening. This one is going to
be like a rock opera. Okay, rock opera, and he's
gonna write all these deeps. Oh wait, I forgot about
the stipulations to the scheme. And this is really the

(52:33):
best part of the whole thing. So let's just review
what we just talked about. He's trying to get an
ex con that he was in a pod with who's
now out of jail, to go find two women to
pretend they had an affair with him the caveat. The
women in mal involved must be attractive between the ages
of twenty five and forty five, and must relate the
sordid romance to have culminated around Christmas of twenty twenty two,

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three months before Angela Craig died. You know, sometimes I
think to myself, I could be a master criminal. Like
I feel like my mind is such and I understand consequences.
And I do watch a lot of law shows. Okay,
I do watch a lot of cop shows. I feel
like I would do a way better job with this
whole mess than he did. I feel like Wiley Coyote

(53:20):
could have done a way better job with this than
he did. Right, It's just not this, This is just
and I should get Stefan on the show about this.
This guy's Stefan's dentist, Stephn Tubbs, who used to work here.
He now works for the DEA. He's been covering this
trial like crazy because he knows all these people. But
don't you worry about your dental work if you find

(53:40):
out this guy's your dentist, Like what has he been
doing in there all this time? And he's not smart
enough to pull this off? Yeah, yeah, this it's just yeah.
By the way, the prisoner in question thought it was

(54:01):
all very weird, did not accept the offer, by the way,
to convince this former prisoner to do this, Doctor Craig
promised dental work for the prisoner's mother for life, reasoning
that and this is a quote, we're family now. Family
takes care of each other. This dental work can cost
thirty thousand to sixty thousand dollars free dentures for mom

(54:25):
if you just get me off the murder rap. Seems fair,
absolutely fair, by the way. Yeah, I can't even imagine
being the defense attorney and finding this out and just
being like, dude, what are you paying me for? Why
am I even here? If you're going to keep doing

(54:46):
this dumbass stuff By the way, they knew about this
because the letter was returned to the Arapahoe County Jail
because Craig failed to add mister Walban's apartment number on
the letter. So just what do you think He's the
dumbest person in the history of the world. You find
out even dumber. There you go. So if you're not

(55:08):
following this trial, boy, howdy boy, do we have some
interesting legal situations in Colorado right now? When we get back,
I want to talk about the closing of a grocery
store in Capitol Hill and the bigger implications for what
this means for downtown Denver. We're going to do that.
Next Mayor Mike Johnston is putting a ballot initiative on

(55:29):
the ballot. It's on the ballot and it will allow
people in the Ballpark neighborhood. And I don't really talk
about it a lot. My voter guide. By the way,
my voter guide is out. I have it linked on
the blog today if you want some help. I don't
do individual races because there are so many. But there
is a great column about all of the Senate candidates
that I linked right after where my voter guide is.

(55:50):
But I didn't spend a lot of time on this
part of the ballot because so few people are going
to be voting on this. But he's asking for the
extension of the Downtown Redevelopment District because he wants to
get more money to revitalize downtown. You know, I could
be behind that, but they have not addressed the significant
issues that are keeping people from going downtown. And this

(56:13):
next story is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Natural Grocers, which I love. Natural Grocers is where I
buy all my vitamins, and the people in Natural Grocers
are amazing and they're so smart, and I love love
natural Grocers, but I don't go to the one at
Colfax in Washington because I don't live near it. But
now people in Capitol Hill who do live near it

(56:34):
are not going to be able to go to it
because Natural Grocers has announced it's closing it's Capitol Hill location.
They are closing because they have been struggling with quote
retail theft and safety issues impacting the store's performance. Kemperriisley,
the co president of Natural Grocers, says in a release,
We've been actively working to address the theft and safety

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issues impacting our store at Colfax and Washington for some time.
Despite our investment in security and loss prevention strategies over
the years, these factors have continued to challenge our ability
to operate our store safely and sustainably, and we've made
the difficult decision to close our doors at this location.
We already know that a Walgreens location very near this

(57:17):
is also closing. We have story after story. I have
businesses that just say they can't do it anymore downtown.
So my question is until we fix, or rather my statement,
until we fix the safety situation in downtown and aggressively
do something as a community, to do something about retail theft,
we are going to lose more and more and more

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establishments and that is not what the mayor is talking about.
And that's a big frustration. Now I realized that it's
bad pr and we saw this just happen with Aurora,
when Aurora tried to deny what was going on with
apartment complexes, and then it became a huge national story.
And now Aurora is part of the campaign as a hellhole,

(58:02):
which is not fair because, as we've said on the
show over and over and over again, these apartment complex
situations are very small, and Aurora is massive, and most
of Aurora is fine. So I understand why the mayor
doesn't want to talk about crime and retail theft in Denver.
But if you don't talk about crime and retail theft,
you know what message that sends to the people actually

(58:23):
doing the crime, engaging in the retail theft. It says
no one is paying attention. Do what you want, nobody's
gonna bother you, nobody's even paying attention to this. Imagine
if Mayor Mike Johnston came out in the next week
and said, we are going all in on an initiative
to not just clean up the streets as warehousing homeless people.

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Has done a great job in getting a lot of
these encampments cleaned up, but we are aggressively going to
go after retail theft. The problem is he can't do
it because they don't have enough cops in Denver. They
are understaff, they're not near the off authorized officers number,
and that authorized officer number is from like ten years ago,

(59:07):
so the population has exploded. The police force is not
only at authorized strength, authorized strength is not enough, so
it's they can't do anything about it. So what happens
do we enter a death spiral? You know what's interesting,
I've been watching what's happening in San Francisco. We haven't
really talked about it because it's not here, but if

(59:28):
you watch what they're doing in San Francisco right now,
they are basically going scorched to earth because Mayor London
Breed is facing a very tough election campaign re election campaign,
and she campaigned on a you know, I'm going to
clean things up. Well, the Supreme Court decision that said
you can ban campaiging and prevent people from sleeping on
your streets period without providing any accommodations. That's been a

(59:52):
game changer, and San Francisco has been going after it.
They've been arresting people left and right. They've actually been
prosecuted people left and right, much to the dismay of
the less progressive DA but still progressive DA that they
have now. So other cities are getting it together. But
the first thing you have to have is you have

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to have a police force that can handle the job.
You know, one of the problems in Aurora with those
apartment complexes is that the ownership said, look, we need
off duty police officers on site. We will pay for
the security, but we need and Aurora said, we can't
help you. We don't have enough cops. So this big
bill that is on the ballot this year, there's an

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initiative that would provide three hundred and fifty million dollars
for the state. The state would have to pull it
out of the general fund, no tax increase, but it
would specifically be designed to recruit, train, and retain police officers.
Because in the last five years in this city in Denver,
one of the things that I don't think I'm ever

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going to forgive Mayor Michael Hancock for. And you know what,
I still genuinely like Mayor Michael Hancock as a dude.
I like him as a person. But when he marched
with the George Floyd rioters and he marched against cops,
because that's what that was about, that for me is unforgivable.
And that attitude and the continue attitude from so many

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on the city council and so many and other power
positions basically saying cops for the devil, Well, what do
you expect to happen when you tell police officers that
they are not welcome here? And they can't do their job.
And oh, by the way, if you accidentally hurt someone
doing your job, we're going to let them sue you,
which is exactly what we have. When they got rid
of qualified immunity, they got rid of that protection. Why

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would anyone want to be a police officer here? And
I'm asking that question genuinely, And I've had the great
privilege of talking to many police officers and to a person,
there are people who have been called to serve their community.
They're people that believe that we should have a safe
and happy place to live. That's what they want for
their children. That's what they want for your children. They

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want their elderly parents to be able to walk down
the street without getting punched in the head. They want
their car to be parked in downtown Denver and not
have a window broken out when they get back. That's
why they're called to this service. Nobody becomes a police
officer because they can't find a better job. Right It's like,
I don't really find anything better, I may as well

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be a cop. That's not how it works. So we've
got to change the tone, the tenor, and the level
of appreciation that we show our police officers because right
now you can put you can put fifty million dollars
into downtown Denver, but if it's not spent on public safety,
you have wasted all of it, in my opinion, because

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and now when we have grocery stores shutting down, When
you have grocery stores that leave, then you leave people
with grocery store deserts. Right So who's gonna move? Why
would you move to an apartment in downtown Denver because
you want to be able to be in downtown Denver
when you can't get to a grocery store without a
Car's theres aertain amount of appeal living in an urban
environment where you don't have to have a car, You

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can take the bus, you can walk, you can do this.
I mean, one of the things I love about New
York City is that on one city block you can
find a bodego where you can find everything. You can
find a target, you can find a diner, you can
find all of these different things on one city block.
That's what makes New York so special. But if we
can't keep our businesses in business, then what are we
even doing? And that's what we're seeing. So I'm going

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to keep doing these stories, and honestly, because I love
natural grocers so much, and I don't know, I think
you have to be a special kind of person who
want to work at natural grocers, Like you're probably a vegetarian,
You're very health conscious, you're kind, you're sweet. This is
just my experience with the people at natural grocers. So
I knowing that they are facing danger in Capitol Hill

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because Denver can't get it together, I find very upsetting.
Not that the people who work at Walgreens are jerks,
I know, not saying that, but this one I just
felt like, these are such nice people and now they're
gonna have to go work at a different store. By
the way, the grocer says they are moving or offering
to move all of their employees to different natural grocer locations,
so they're not putting people out of work, which is good.

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But we got to get it together. I'm wondering what
do you guys have any suggestions about how to reinvigorate
the desire to be on the police force. Because when
I was a kid, you asked kids what they wanted
to be. They wanted to be a fireman, they wanted
to be a policeman. They wanted to be president. Now

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they want to be a YouTuber. And don't get me wrong,
there's money in that, but it's kind of like saying
I'm gonna be in the NBA. If I said that,
you would laugh because it's absurd. For most kids, being
a successful YouTuber is a pipe dream, a big pipe dream. Mandy,
this text message. Then I'm gonna take a break. I
have a family member that works for DPD. Except for
the city of Aurora, Denver is short more officers than

(01:04:56):
any police or sheriff's department has in total number off
office in Colorado. That's not surprising at all, not at
all anyway, Mandy. I'll address this when we get back. Mandy, unforgettable.
You said you would never vote for Trump because.

Speaker 9 (01:05:12):
Of what he did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
I'll explain when I get back. After January six, I
was very forceful in saying I would never vote for
Donald Trump again, ever, ever, ever, in a minute, I
really really did. I thought what happened on January six
was terrible. I think he enjoyed watching people storm the
Capitol on his behalf. I think he could have done
more to stop it well before he did, and I
was disgusted with the entire thing. Fast forward to now,

(01:05:35):
and I'm looking at the last few years of the
Biden administration. I'm looking at the plans that Kamala Harris
has rolled out, and this is not an election that
I can sit out now. And my options are a
vote for a candidate that has zero percent chance of
winning zero percent, and just admit that I have not
wasted my vote, but put my vote in a way
that it will have zero impact on this election. And

(01:05:57):
if Kamala Harris wins, then I have mate. I've staked
my claim that I have had zero impact on this election.
And by the way, I think there's a zero percent
chance that Trump wins Colorado. Let me be clear about that.
There's not a snowballs chance in hell he's gonna win
the state. So does it even matter if I quote
waste my vote, No, it doesn't. But philosophically, I have

(01:06:19):
to draw a line in the sand. I have to say,
as repulsive as I find the man, and I do
find Trump repulsive on many levels. Policy wise, he's far
better for the country than Kamala Harris is. He's far
better for free speech than Tim Walls is. So I
can't sit here and pretend like I'm going to take
some principled stand right because my choices are so bad

(01:06:42):
in this election that I feel like this election is
incredibly consequentially. And I know we say this every single time.
We have two choices that I really don't like, But
I have to say I have to kind of stake
my claim when it comes to the policies that are
going to drive this country forward. And that is why
I have to vote for Donald Trump. That's just the

(01:07:03):
way I look at it. So throw morals and ethics
out the window, Mandy, you are shallow. With all due respect,
which of the politicians running for president right now is
so ethically moral that has no issues in their background?
Kamala Harris got her start by banging the married Willie Brown.
That is how she got her first appointments to political office.

(01:07:27):
So moral high ground, uh, not so much. Tim Walls
sat in Congress and lied about being in Tianaman Square
and then won't even admit it. Not the most morally
ethical person. There are no angels in this race, so
I have to choose the least worst, and that's what
I'm doing by looking at policy. You know, when Donald

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Trump was in office, things were pretty good until COVID hit,
and I don't as you remember it. It seems so
far away. It seems like a lifetime ago now. But
things were pretty dang good when COVID hit. And I
don't think there's a chance that I U the Trump
administration it's going to try and clamp down on free speech,
whereas the Harris Wallace administration, I do worry about that,
and that's really important to me. I don't know if

(01:08:09):
you guys know this, but my job is entirely dependent
on my ability to say what I think about anyone, right.
I mean, that is my job. And if they decide
that they're going to go after misinformation and I share
my opinion and some person in some room decides that
that is misinformation and comes after me, I take that
really seriously. Kamala Harris's economic policies are just awful, incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I'm a homeowner, though, I will tell you this from
a purely, purely selfish perspective. If Kamala Harris did this
twenty five thousand dollars for first time home buyers thing
that she's talking about, that would benefit me greatly because
home prices would jump, would jump twenty five thousand dollars overnight.
So yeah, from a purely personal perspective, But do you

(01:08:54):
want to see any more distortion and inflation in the
housing market? I don't, my goodness, Go tell your daughter
you support a guy that cheated on his wife while
she was pregnant. You know what I'm gonna tell my daughter.
Sometimes you gotta pick ointment or suppositories, and that's what
this election is for me. Try to be pragmatic because

(01:09:15):
there's no principal people in this race. I truly believe
that you have to be a certain kind of narcissist
to want to be president in the first place, and
they're all just different kinds of narcissists. I'd love to
have someone I would be enthusiastic about voting for. As
a matter of fact, after the vice presidential debate, I
said thank you jd. Vance because now I can cast
my vote for Trump without vomiting in my mouth, because

(01:09:36):
at least I like that part of the ticket. So
if you want to beat me up about it, that's fine.
But unlike Kamala Harris, when I change my opinion, I
will explain to you why I change my opinion. So
I'll explain as many times as I have to, and
I'm not asking you, by the way, to go along
with me. I cannot look at someone in the face
and say no, no, no, you should vote for Donald

(01:09:58):
Trump if you find him vile and apprehensible. I can't
do that. I'm just gonna tell you how I feel
and what I'm doing, and you can judge me if
you want. It's not going to change anything. By the way,
Trust me, I've been judged by better. As they say, Mandy,
you're not voting for a date to the prom. You
don't have to like the guy personally. You're voting on
what makes our country better. Democrats need to realize that. Well,

(01:10:22):
if they have the same standards, Bill Clinton would never
have been president. But guess what he was for two terms,
even though he's a scummy horned dog. There you go,
my friends. When we get back Jimmy Singenberger, he has
been at the teen of Peter's trial. We're gonna get
the latest and find out everything right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
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Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
That is the musical prowess of our friend Jimmy Singenberger.
Jimmy sat through the entire sentencing hearing FOURTEENA. Peters. I
watched it on YouTube. Jimmy, quick question, are you going
to teach Tina to play the guitar or to play
the harp so she has something to do with her
eight and a half years in prison?

Speaker 7 (01:11:34):
You know, I was going to offer her that, but
I'm not sure that you would accept the instruction for me,
so it might not be worth even trying.

Speaker 9 (01:11:41):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
You know what, I think that's probably a safe bet,
that probably a good move. So, Jimmy, I feel like you,
out of anyone I know, you have followed this trial
from the beginning, and now you sat through the sentencing hearing.
I just want to ask you this. Were you surprised
at how little remorse Tina Peters showed today in her

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statements to the judge?

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
No, not at all?

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
And how could I tell this?

Speaker 7 (01:12:09):
Number one was how they had put forward their so
called defense, which had much more to do with trying
to justify her actions than actually defending the legal claims
being brought by the prosecution, and then ever since in
the last several weeks. Since then, Tina has been on
all kinds.

Speaker 12 (01:12:30):
Of different shows online and elsewhere, and had her allies
just going out there acting.

Speaker 9 (01:12:36):
As though she did nothing wrong in any.

Speaker 12 (01:12:40):
Way, shape or form, and doubling down and talking about
how evidence wasn't allowed to be admitted in this and that,
just providing these excuses that already showed.

Speaker 9 (01:12:49):
Mandy that she did not have remorse well, and she seemed.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
To be re litigating everything today in the sentencing. And
I'm gonna ask you this, Jimmy, because I didn't sit
through the old trial, do you think if she had
come in today to the sentencing and just gone and said,
I am so incredibly sorry. I did not understand the ramifications.
I thought I was doing the right thing. I've now
realized the error of my ways. I'm so so sorry.

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I can't believe I let this get out of control
just trying to do the right thing. Do you think
she would have gotten eight and a half years.

Speaker 9 (01:13:21):
I don't know that she would have or wouldn't have.
Its possible she wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (01:13:25):
The problem for her even if she did that is
she spent the last several weeks making all sorts of
claims to the contrary. That would have just showed how
insincere it was. And the judge really caught onto this
in his sentencing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
He walked through for a while.

Speaker 9 (01:13:40):
I don't know if it was like twenty minutes or longer.

Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
He said, flat, you are a charlatan. He said, it's
just moral lies. No objective person believes them. No, at
the end of the day, you cared about the jets,
the podcasts and the people on them.

Speaker 9 (01:13:57):
You chose you over all else. Wow, he did not.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
Mince words spending.

Speaker 7 (01:14:03):
It was impressive, honestly because he broke down the law
and like, this is the purpose of sentencing. This is
what we do with if you get probation, if you
get community corrections, or if you get prison, here's the
standards that we need to meet. And he said, no,
you need prison time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
So I just got this text message. I'm confused, who
the victim was that caused harm? Is of Tina's crime
to warrant nine years. This judge is obviously a liberal activist.
How do you respond to that, Jimmy, Because you watched
the whole.

Speaker 9 (01:14:32):
Thing in two ways, both from today and then from
the live stream I watched ninety five percent of during
the actual trial. I think the judge really handled things
extremely well in terms of allowing some leeway and latitude
for the defense to bring up things that were irrelevant
to the actual case at hand.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
I just spoke with did.

Speaker 9 (01:14:55):
An interview for a forthcoming column with Dan Rubinstein, the
district of Journey for Mesa County, and one of the
things that he was talking about was we really were
making this that that election stuff is answer, It's not
what this trial is about. It was about the things
that she did, which include going to the other part
of the answer to this listener's question, when you intentionally

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deceive whether they are employees of the Secretary of State's
office which happened, or employees of Mesa County, these are
public officials, and when you deceive them by telling them
different stories to make certain things happen. That to the
guy by the name is Conan Hayes to go in
and pretend to be a guy named Gerald Wood, that
means that there is.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
A victim because those people unwittingly helped you to do
the things that you did, and you this led them.
You influenced those public servants, and you also turned the
Jerry Wood and his wife Wendy and their kids their
lives upside down. You upended for county clerk and recorders
across the state and throughout the This is the point

(01:16:01):
that Matt Crane brought up from the colorid of County
Clerks Association and some of the others who spoke on
behalf of the prosecution site. You had all of these
corps that have been discredited.

Speaker 13 (01:16:11):
That have faced threats, that have faced all of these
consequences because not of something they did or that is
wrong in the system, Mandy, but because of Tina Peters
and what she did, dragging everybody else through the mud
so that she could get same and attention.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
And that's really the root of it, Jimmy. When she
was talking, I was listening, and when she said I
am an honest person. I lied about Conan, but I
am an honest person. I burst out laughing, like she
doesn't even hear the words that are coming out of
her own mouth.

Speaker 9 (01:16:42):
You texted me, Oh my god, I.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Just that for me was like the pin in the thing.
So is she remanded?

Speaker 6 (01:16:50):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Is there an appeal? Do you know what's happening next.

Speaker 7 (01:16:54):
So actually, one quick thing I just want to know.
This is across the county one point four million dollars
in real dollars. County taxpayers are also.

Speaker 9 (01:17:01):
Victims, so they can file an appeal.

Speaker 7 (01:17:05):
But the sentence, as I understand it, I think it will.

Speaker 9 (01:17:09):
Still move forward.

Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
I'm not sure how that works.

Speaker 12 (01:17:12):
But they are going to find a file an appeal.
They also tried to make something happened to get a stay.
I don't really understand the Brady violation that they were
talking about. It was something that they were claiming and
the judge was like, no, this does not apply. The
circumstances here don't apply to that.

Speaker 7 (01:17:30):
So I believe she will still be going through starting
to serve her time, but the appeal will move forward.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Okay, So one last question for you, Jimmy, is that
I have decided that I'm going to write a musical
in the style of a Greek tragedy about Tina and
because there's just it's just too much, and somebody said
that you should have a harmonica solo in the show.
Would you be available for a harmonica solo in my

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soon to be named Greek tragedy about the Tina Peter Strould.
It will also be a musical.

Speaker 9 (01:18:03):
As long as it can be the harmonica playing for
the part where you have Tina playing some blues on
the harmonica in jail. As long as that's the case,
then I will gladly provide the audio that you need
for that part of your music.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
That is perfect epic. Jimmy Sangenberger. You can read his
columns in the Colorado Gazette and also hear him on
time to time here on KOWA and k How Jimmy,
I really appreciate you watching all of this so the
rest of us didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
Have to, you know what.

Speaker 9 (01:18:34):
That's what I'm here for, to be the glutton for
punishment just for you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Manby all right, thanks Jimmy, I'll talk to you later,
my friend.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
Than have a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Yeah, I just crazy. So the story is right now over.
I don't think it's over over, but the story is
over for the next little bit. Speaking of indictments, Jack Smith,
we got to talk about Jack Smith's latest indictment in
what has, in my mind is the clearest demonstration to

(01:19:06):
date of election interference. This is it whatever Tina Peters did, Nope,
this this is election interference, and I'll help explain why
what the judge did was purely political and ridiculous, and
why this is just a sad, sad state of affairs
here in the United States. We'll do that next. I

(01:19:28):
want to talk for a minute about the new Jack
Smith indictment, which is not a new indictment at all,
and everybody's running around with the new evidence. This from
an ap story from CBS News. The highly anticipated one
hundred and sixty five page filing provides the most comprehensive

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look at the evidence federal prosecutors have amassed in their case,
which was upended by the Supreme Court's July decision finding
Trump is an titled to some level of immunity from
federal charges. In the new brief, prosecutors argue that Trump
was private in nature his conduct and therefore not covered
by immunity. They reiterated the allegations against Trump and revealed

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new insights into the mountains of evidence they have collected
over the course of the case. Now they keep using
the word evidence, evidence, evidence, evidence, evidence. So there is
an attorney. She is in DC. She follow her on Twitter.
She's very very good about explaining things. So I went
right to Leslie mcadew Gordon's ex page and she delivered

(01:20:34):
for me. She says, facts and allegations supported meaning air
quotes supported by evidence, testimony, statements, documents that hasn't been
subject to cross examination or confrontational techniques are not properly
or constitutionally established. They thus cannot satisfy the government's burden

(01:20:54):
of proof. She continues, The manner in which the Judge
is permitting this special Council to develop the quote factual
record as directed by the Supreme Court to determine the
question of immunity in the case is patently unfair and
a violation of the sixth Amendment. The sixth Amendment as
part of it, that's you're right to a speedy trial.
It also has the right of confrontation. You have the

(01:21:18):
right to challenge the facts put forward by the other side.
She said, rather than let Jack Smith vomit all this
uncross examined and mostly inadmissible evidence onto the public record,
she should have made a serious effort to create to
address this issue properly. That would have required more time
instead of the bum's rush that she's giving it. It

(01:21:39):
would have meant requiring the parties to work together to
identify all the allegations the government proposes to make they're
arguably immune, and for the government to also be able
to identify all other evidence it proposes to use that's
arguably immune in a non public manner, as in starting
a framework. So this is such such election interference. It

(01:22:03):
truly is. The Department of Justice. Remember when James Comy
came out to talk about Hillary and her server and
emails and everything else, and he's like, look, we're gonna
investigate this right away. We don't want to interfere with election.
Blah blah blah. He came out Hillary there was no
intent by Hillary, so obviously she's innocent of anything because
she didn't mean to do what she did, but he

(01:22:23):
did it all very quickly and it was designed to
not influence the election. Hillary still thinks that's why she lost.
She lost because no one likes her. I mean, I
don't want to break her heart, but no one likes her.
So she lost. And in that James Comy thing came
out and said, look, the Department of Justice tries to
never interfere with an election, and this is just clearly

(01:22:47):
clearly interfering with an election. Hi, Mandy, Please let me
know the name of the person you are quoting. A
Leslie somebody. That's Leslie Macadou Gordon. And I embedded the
entire tweet thread on the blog today at mandy'sblog dot com.
So there you go. That is uh, that's pretty much
all I'm saying about that. There's a zero percent chance
any of this is going to be adjudicated before the

(01:23:08):
election in any way, shape or form. So it's clearly
just to give the Democrats another talking point. In my view,
you can believe whatever you want, but that's what I
think it is. So we are going to I got
some other stuff on the blog that I wanted to
get to. Let me get this in really quickly because
coming back, we've got my colleague and former FEMA director

(01:23:29):
Michael Brown to talk about where North Carolina is a
lot of people have been very very critical of the
government response, and I've kind of been holding my fire
because I've been through a hurricane. I know how crazy
it is.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
I know that it is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
It's not something that you can just automatically flip a
switch and everything gets cleaned up. But we're now over
a weekend. No, we're a weekend today, and there seems
to be very little movement and very little communication about that.
So we're going to talk to Michael about that in
just a second. In case you were wondering whether or

(01:24:06):
not Joe Biden wants Israel to bomb Iran's nuclear sites,
he said, when asked directly, the answer is no. He added,
We'll be discussing with the Israelis what they're going to do.
All seven us, he's at a G seven meeting. All
seven of us agree they have a right to respond,
but they should respond proportionately. So how do you respond

(01:24:29):
proportionately to a government that has been using proxies to
attack you incessantly for years? What is the proportionate response?
I mean, I wish that follow up question had been asked,
just saying we're going to talk to Michael Brown. When
we get back to someone who's lived through hurricanes before,
I know how difficult the recovery can be, and the

(01:24:50):
terrain in North Carolina is terrible. But I have questions,
and that means that I have to talk to my
friend and colleague from k how right across the street,
our morning guy over there, Michael Brown, also happens to
be the former FEMA director Michael I was listening to
your show this morning and you were talking about some
of the things that have come out. But I want
to start with the story that FEMA now says it

(01:25:11):
doesn't have enough money to make it through the year
after they've spent over six hundred million dollars on illegal immigrants.
That story is insane to me. When did FEMA get
into the business of resettling illegal immigrants.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
About the same time again, in the business of trying
to change the climate, taking care of immigrants, planting trees,
doing everything stupid that it should not be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
I agree, we'll concede that point. I want your take
on how things are going so far, because, as I said,
I've lived through hurricanes, I've lived through the aftermath, I've
been in situations where i haven't had power for ten days.
Obviously not at the level that we're seeing in North
Carolina because the entire communities are cut off from other,

(01:26:00):
you know, access areas. But what is your assessment of
what's going on now from Afar?

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Well, from Afar, Here's what's unique about not this storm,
because we've had other hurricanes that have gone up in
similar areas, is that flash flooding is much more widespread
than it's been before. And when you have flash flarding
like you do in a storm like this, it's it's

(01:26:29):
difficult for the media to get in to see what's
going on. So the media is you only getting, you know,
bits and pieces from local media Bello's happening, or you're
getting freelancers, or for example, there's you know, our station
in Ashville has been on the air for twenty four
hours a day seventies weeks since the storm hits. It's

(01:26:49):
just gives and grabs of implicating out. So from what
I'm gathering is the typical local response is pretty good.
But the problem is it's so widespread that they can't
get everywhere. So you're going to have all of these
horror stories of everything going on. And then, quite honestly,

(01:27:10):
best I can tell other than Biden's now showing up
nobody and FEMA is shown up, and you know, eighty
percent of life is just showing up and at least
saying hey, listen, I'm here. You know, for example, I
will be critical lover. I think part of the job
as the FEMA director is to be out front and
say hey, I'm here and I'll get all this stuff

(01:27:32):
coming in behind me. It's taking a while, but right
now we're doing ABC and the EF what's going on,
and so that the media can ask questions, well, what
about this? What about that? Because people are in shock,
The disaster victims are in shock, and the longer it
takes for them to hear anything, the worst things get.

(01:27:54):
And then the longer they go without anything, the worst
worse things get. And if you just tell them here's
what's in the pipeline, or here's where you need to
go today, or this is open. I mean, she should
be all over the place talking about every little thing
that's happening, and quite thankfully, the fact that she's not
makes me wonder, get the lawyer in me, is nothing

(01:28:15):
really happening? And that's my.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Concern, Michael. She's so not out there that I didn't
even know the director of FEMA was a woman until
right now. And I'm not kidding, and I consume news
at a very high level and had no idea that
the FEMA director was female. To your point, and and
you know, when you're out of power and you don't
know your house is flooded or any of that stuff.

(01:28:39):
Information is all you have right. I mean that that
information about what's happening. And I was in Florida when
Craig Fugate was the director of FEMA, and boy did
he do a bang up job in Florida and he
was phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Yeah, into Craig knew you've got to just be pig.
I've always sent the attitude, even if it's bad news.
Tell people what the news is, yep, because no news
is the word, at least for me. I know. If
I don't know something, I worry about it. If I
know about it, then I can deal with it.

Speaker 7 (01:29:12):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Not only that, Michael, you're sitting there assuming that you
still have a house, because a lot of people's series
were devastating. But you're sitting there in the dark in
your house. You have nothing to do but sit there
and wonder what the hell's going on. And when you're
not hitting information, it becomes you become viscerally angry. I
will never forget when my power had been out for

(01:29:33):
five days and the people across the street their power
came on and mine did not, and I almost lost
my mind. It almost sent me over the edge. I
was like what, But I walked down the street to
the line guys and said, why is my power not on?
And they were very easy, very easily explained what was
going on, and just that bit of information just took
me off the ledge, you know, and they said, okay,

(01:29:54):
here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
It's something you'd use it as an example because in Florida,
I always used to tell people that, look, f PML
is doing that everything they can, but there's always the
last guy at the end of the block. It's always
there's always the person that's going to be you know,
because of the way the wires, the the whole transmission,
the whole grid everything to your point, your neighbor may

(01:30:17):
have power, but you don't because you're on a different
transmission line and not coming from a different direction. And
it's so take them two more days before they get
to you. And and again if they would just explain
that people. But here's here's right, here's twelve of things
going on. If you put yourself out there, even with
bad news, the meeting is going to eat you alive.

(01:30:39):
I mean, I prove positive avout but but but again,
I think that's part of your job is to be
out explaining to people and and take the take the
slings and arrows take the questions. And quite frankly, as
as as you saw with me, if if your boss,
who happens to be the President of the United States
is not doing their job, you can always kind of

(01:31:01):
look over your chouldren and say, well, you know, mister president,
can we get that done? And just by saying that,
and that's why I was screaming up Bush about flying
over Katrina instead of actually landing in back route, just
having him there in the first day or two would
have made a difference, you know why, because that's the
signal to the cabinet that hey, I'm here. Whatever brand

(01:31:23):
wants you give him now, may Orcus. He's been the
Secretary of Homeland Security who's been absent, FEMA director has
been absent, Biden's been absent. So the only people you
had to rely upon are whatever local fire department or
police department or changing Navy or whoever's out there doing stuff.
That's the only place you can get in them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
I have a Texter who asked a question. Ask him
about the FEMA forbidding truckers bringing food, water, and supplies
to the people who are in desperate need. Check stories
for North Carolina and Georgia. I've seen some of these
stories where people who are bringing their own personal helicopters
into Do Go do rescues or being threatened with the rest.
I understand that when you have down power lines and

(01:32:03):
you have trees across the road, and in this case
I forty is destroyed, there's no interstate there. But is
there a way in your experience to help get those
supplies that people are sending and bringing to the right
people in this particular situation. There's big terrain issues here, right.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
There're huge terrain issues. And to your point, the interstate
shut down, I mean we had the same thing in between.
We have actually had the same thing in Florida where
you have interstates here just cut off. So but that's
why you need to have a female director that is
actively involved in the cabinet, so that for example, when
I need this stuff, I could call dold Rumsfeld and

(01:32:41):
I could say, mister Secretary, I need X y Z,
and he knew that if I was doing it, I
was acting on behalf of the president. Get you need
all of the relationship with the president and I get
that stuff done. And so that's where you need to
have someone who's actively involved in the administration, so that
you can say to those bucks or who negwid is
or just Americans person, I mean any organization, Yes, we

(01:33:05):
want your stuff, take it here, take it there right,
and you just have your team telling take it here
there so they can keep moving. Never tell anybody no,
never tell them no.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Let me ask you about FEMA's overall role for just
a minute, because one of the things, and now we
have President Biden saying FEMA's gonna pay for all of
the recovery for six months. That's unprecedented. Like FEMA is
not supposed to be the we're going to cover everything.
They are the we're gonna we're gonna help you get
things started and make sure that you're not going to
starve to death during the emergency part. Are we now

(01:33:38):
at a point where FEMA is its own sort of
monstrosity and therefore states are not necessarily going to plan
for this stuff, or budget for this stuff, or or
even feel responsible for their own state. That that's kind
of concerning to me.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
It should be very concerning. But if if Bush had
said that, I would have at some point said, miss
wasn't you cannot say that you've got to retract that
because one you don't have the legal authority to do that,
and two that sets expectations entirely wrong. And what wies
that mean? By the way, what does it means You're
gonna do it for six months and six months you're
going to cut the checks off? I mean, it's it's stupid.

(01:34:15):
There are certain things that you will pay for. It
will take it will take years. You know, you might
have to rebuild a school. It might take you two
years to rebuild that school. And people might say, well
that seems like a long time. Well, if your school
isn't a real in a very rural area and you
have to prioritize getting a larger steel ver system. I mean,
there's all these things. I mean, when we first came
into in through office in January two thousand and one,

(01:34:39):
do you know if there were still disasters that we
were handling, for example, the San Francisco earthquakes, we were
still dating with the San Francisco earthquakes, and you know, ten, eleven,
fifteen years later. So all these things just take a
lot of time. But to your point, to to cover
you know, immigrant illegal immigrant housing, to worry about climate change.

(01:35:01):
If you go to theme a website right now on
their master plan. The number one go equity. If you
think you're kidding me, that should not be your number
one goal in your strategic plan. Your strategic plan number
one goal should be how can we respond quicker? How
can we recover quickly? How can we mitigate against certain
things better? So it's just this whole confluence of and

(01:35:22):
I knew this would happen, and I predicted this would
happen that once FEMA guest subsumed into the Department of
on Land Security, it would get overwhelmed. It would be
used for all sorts of things that it shouldn't be
used for because you have to divest.

Speaker 6 (01:35:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
This goes back to your very first question, is THEMA broke.
FEMA's never broke. THEMA has always got It has five
hundred and thirty five advocates on the Hill that will
make sure that FEMA always has the money it has
for everything. But then the bad side of that is
you have five hundred and thirty five advocates on Capitol
Hill that will give you money and tell you we

(01:35:57):
want you to go this and do this and this
now please stupid things like immigrant housing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
I mean, the mission creep is ridiculous on this, It's
absurd and I think that. But one thing, Okay, let's
talk politically for just a second here, Okay, let's turn
off the compassion in American Fellow Americans don't want other
Americans to suffer. This is not good for the Harris
campaign because two things have come out of this. Number One,
people feel like the federal government is just hanging these

(01:36:25):
people out to dry. That's thing number one. And they're
getting a lot of press nationally as people are like,
what the blank, why isn't anyone coming here? And then
this news story about oh, sorry, we spent over seven
hundred almost seven hundred million dollars on illegal immigrants. I
don't think that's going to set well with people. I
don't think even if people feel compassion for the people

(01:36:45):
that have walked over the southern border, I don't feel
like they're like compassionate to the tune of almost seven
hundred million dollars from FEMA and then the hundreds of
million of dollars here in Colorado. Do you think that's
going to create political pushback?

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
Well? I think it will, but that presupposes that the
dominant media will cover it. The way, you just survived it.
And that's that's from my perspective. That's my problem because
my book, my boss was a guy named George Bush,
and her boss is a guy named Joe Biden Kamala Harris,

(01:37:18):
and I do believe the media. You know, the media
came after me. Did I make mistake? Sure, but they
came after me because they've been after Bush, you know,
for for five years. And do you think they're going
to go after Kamala Harris. No, They're going to the
insulator from this as much as they can.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
This person said, please ask Michael about the nautomn n
ot A M prohibiting private air assets from providing relief.

Speaker 7 (01:37:44):
What is that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
Well, so there was. I did a story this morning
about the helicopter, the guy that had the helicopter, and
when I dug into this story, there was and I
can't find original source material, So I don't know what
the truth is. But for example, in the New Orleans
we put a notice to airmen, we put a cap

(01:38:07):
over New Orleans because we had so many helicopters and
so many aircraft in the air that we actually had
our own aircraftic control system. So I don't know whether
there was a temporary flight restriction put in retaliy wise
or legitimate, or or there even was one. But oftentimes
in a major area, once you start getting military assets in,

(01:38:31):
you will have a temporary flight restriction over an area
because you've got black hawks and Chinooks, and you've got
C seventeen's and Sea fives. You've got all of these
things in the air, and you don't want some guy
that owns his own helicopter flying around, you know, filing
a flight plan. So I tried to explain my audience
that story may be nuanced, and there may be some

(01:38:53):
truth to it, and there may be some legitimacy to
it that I'm not at the point where I can
say it's true or not true. But in some cases, yes,
over New Orleans, but just over New Orleans we had
flight restrictions. But that was because we had the entire
Lower Knights Board, we have downtown Normans, we had everything flooded,
and I had so much aircraft in the air, we

(01:39:15):
had to have a separate air we had to have
a separate airtraffic control system.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
I mean, that makes sense. And again going back to
the whole I know that a big problem with Florida
is hurricane tourism, meaning after a storm, people will drive
in to look at the devastation, and it is the
most annoying, like I want to punch all those people
in the face kind of annoying. So I get where
they don't let people drive in, But in this situation,

(01:39:39):
I'm hoping that military aircraft are there. But did that
appear to be the case with the story you're talking
about where the guy was threatened with the rest by
a fire department official, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
It doesn't. And then the other thing. So I think
that there was something fishing going on there, and I
think that maybe somebody was mad because some guy was
actually out there doing some good right and embarrassed somebody else. Now,
let's talk about the trucker that has an eighteen wheeler
that is driving in with you know, loads of loads
of bottled water or cots or blankets or something, and

(01:40:12):
if he gets stopped at a checkpoint, they need to
rather than they just stop him. But then we used
to be FEMA on the ground or the state emergency
managers like Craig Fugate on the ground. He says, oh, okay,
we got an eighteen wheel and he's got what, Okay,
send that truck instead of where he thought he was going,
Send him over here instead, because that's where it's needed.

(01:40:33):
You just need to coordinate that stuff. You know, after
nine to eleven, there's this it's fun be hindsight, but
the time is horrible. When we had rescue workers at
Ground zero, somebody in the media just happened to mention,
you know, these these firefighters and rescue workers, their boots
are wearing out very very quickly. Well, suddenly we had

(01:40:56):
people from all over the country, every church, every charitable
organization sending us just boots randomly, because we had to
fill a warehouse with boots because we had we had
no way that we could soak them or use them.
So there's that fine line between hey, we need your
help and doing something specific. Play right, we meet eighteen

(01:41:17):
leaders full of X or Y.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
And I always yeah, some people, I always sell people
nobody wants your use clothes after they lost their house
in a hurricane.

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
Well, we would even these wouldn't even be used. These
would be like brand new boots, but they would be like, okay,
so many of them, absolutely, so many of them, which
we can't we can't handle it. And they're not necessarily steel,
told that they're not appropriate for digging in you know, rebar,
they're not appropriate for ground zero with the chemicals, so
we just you know, ended up warehousing them and then

(01:41:48):
probably just kiving them away.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
Michael Brown. I appreciate your insight. Your work, obviously as
a FEMA director gives you special insight. I appreciate you
making time for me today.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
Man, any time?

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Man, all right, have a great vacation. My friend all right, oh,
turn it down before I could tell him, I have
a great vacation. Hi, John Morrissey, all right, who's playing
of the day?

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
Ryan?

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
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(01:42:32):
in the world of the day. All right, what is
our dad joke of the day today? Please?

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
Anthony Well, I had an idea. Tell me what you
think of it before I pass away. I'm gonna swallow
a whole bag of popcorn kernels, just to make the
cremation a bit more exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Oh my gosh, anyway, I dig that today's word of
the day.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
Please it is adjective craven.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Oh craven. Oh gosh, wait we are ave? Yeah, craven
is Oh my gosh, I think I can. I could
probably use it in a sense. This craven looks like
like scared kind of thing. Yeah, you're in the ballpark,
heard it. But it's also kind of evil too. It's
it's got a negative component to it that I can't

(01:43:21):
quite define.

Speaker 5 (01:43:22):
This says cowardly or contemptibly. Okay, I think that was
pretty You're.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Very We're giving you credit, given you credit. Okay. What
celebrated author debuted in nineteen sixty eight with a book
of poetry titled Once And I know this one because
I had the book.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Only author that comes to mine. And I'm sure I'm wrong.
I growlin book, No, that is wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
You want to take a swing there on a reader?
I like should know this, but go ahead. It was
Alice Walker. She was, of course the one who wrote
The Color Purple, but a much better book, a much
better book of hers possessing The Secret of Joy, incredibly
good book. Anyway, go ahead, it's my editorial comment. The
category is clothes. Mind clothes. When you wear minded to.

Speaker 5 (01:44:07):
A brit A Macintosh, isn't an apple or a computer.
It's this article of clothing.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
What's a raincoat?

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
Yeah, you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
I'm sorry, but I definitely said it before you. No,
it's it's the slight delay because you guys are oh wait,
we got to do our delay rule. Oh so we
have to wait until the end. You have to wait,
only you wait a minute. I don't care. Okay, I
have to wait till the end of the questions that'll
give you. There you go, Ryan, there's your chance.

Speaker 5 (01:44:37):
The name of this body suit that combines a leotard
with tights.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Oh shoot, I thought that was the end comes from
the word leotard. Maby, what is a catsuit?

Speaker 9 (01:44:50):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
No, that is wrong? What that is wrong?

Speaker 5 (01:44:54):
The name of this bodysuit that combines a leotard with
tights comes from the word leotard.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Which makes no sense. By the way, the question makes
no sense.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
But you're wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
Anyway, Okay, my kids both dance. I should probably not this,
but I don't have it. What is unitar Oh yeah,
anyway back to zero for Andy? Yes, so zero zero okay.

Speaker 5 (01:45:16):
Puffer or quitted vests or quilted vests are also known
as these vests for the natural insulation used in them.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Mandy, what is down down best? Okay, I'm back on
the board as correct.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (01:45:30):
This headware of the Middle Ages has a name that
sounds like an adult who accompanies two young people on
a date.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Ryan, Ryan, what's a chaperone? Carav Wow?

Speaker 9 (01:45:45):
One to one?

Speaker 6 (01:45:46):
Here we go?

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:45:48):
This Raglin variety of this clothing part is named for
a British general who lost a limb at Waterloo and
had a special shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Made dragling Ryan, Bryan, who's Napoleon? I'm taking a win.
I'm sitting on the win with that one. What is sleeve?
What sleeve? That's a terrible Royan Ever, don't like to

(01:46:19):
apologize to you for participating in such a terrible jeopardy category.
What you have coming up on clothes? Oh? Stop it?
What do you have coming up on? Ko Sports?

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Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
So We're gonna talk a lot about the Broncos defense
up front. We're gonna deep dive into the Raiders today.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
As we mentioned, it's Raiders Week.

Speaker 5 (01:46:43):
So yeah, I have a lot of fun coming huho
and win Raiders tickets.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
All right, Uh, have a good time. We'll be back tomorrow.
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