October 9, 2024 • 17 mins
WE ARE PAYING FOR ANTI OIL AND GAS LOBBYING This column by Jon Caldara just burned me up to quote my late math teacher Nancy Hunter. He writes here about how taxpayer dollars are funneled to anti-oil and gas groups who then lobby against affordable and reliable energy. Jon is on at 2:30 to chat about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My friend from the Independence Institute, rabble rouser and all
around good guy, John Caldera, Hello, my friend. That was
a very brighton, sunny, good afternoon. Are you feeling your
oaths today?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You always make me feel bright and sunny. You are
the sunshine in my life.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Wire it's getting deep in here and we're not even
flooding with a hurricane Milton yet. No, uh, John, I
gotta tell you I got suit. I had a high
school teacher, Nancy Hunter was her name. She was also
our cheerleading sponsor, and she was an older lady When
I went to school there. She actually just passed away,
but her big line was when you do something out
(00:38):
of order in her algebra class, she'd.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Go, that just burns me up.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And when I read your column this week, I channeled
Nancy Hunter and I said.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That just burns me up because.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
You exposed to me something I did not know, and
that is I am funding the opposition.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Please explain to my listeners what you wrote about funding.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You are funding me opposition, you know the old saying
and poker you're playing with the house's money. Oh yeah, well,
your opponents on energy policy who are trying to make
all of your energy choices go away. Are spending a
lot of money to lobby the legislature, lobby the Oil
and Gas Commission, and you are giving them government money
(01:22):
to do so. And I didn't know until I poked around.
The Colorado's Office of Environmental Justice gives out the Environmental
Justice Grant program. So, in other news, Colorado has an
Office of Environmental Justice.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I never wanted to be mayor until right now, just
so I can go rip the name tag off the
door of the Environmental Office of Justice whatever Justice League
of environment What.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
What is this right? And it's yeah, it's it's staff
by a bunch of people with crowd pronouns, and they
get Their job is to spend our tax money giving
out grants and helping promote environmental justice.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
What does that even mean?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
God, I was hoping you wouldn't ask that. I said,
nobody knows what that means. Here's my research. Here is
here's what I found. You know, the term environmental justice.
It's kind of like defining pornography. You really can't, but
they know it when they see it, and so they
I looked at their definition in the state and it's
(02:40):
this weird, convoluted bureaucratic fluff and a woke speak. And basically,
the way it looked to me was their job is
to split our community into as many smaller communities as
possible and then say that the ones that are most
victimized get to work to push socialism. So they find
(03:02):
these groups, tell them that they've been victims of the
environment or utilities or something. And what I found out
and you love this. Our money goes to the Office
of Environmental Justice and their goal is to quote give
aid to disportionately impacted communities. Whi's just like the term
(03:26):
environmental justice requires yet more definitions. Okay, so yeah, let
me they have a list. The office says that disproportionately
impacted communities include low income communities, communities of color, housing
burdened communities.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Wait stop, wait what wait?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So they're living under their house, they're holding their house
up on their.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Back, They're burdened housing burden. I love this one. Linguistically
isolated communities. What, yes, linguistically isolated. Yeah, I guess they
can't speak well. Historically marginalized communities. Huh, communities with environmental
(04:16):
and socio economic impacts, tribal lands, and mobile home communities.
Now I don't even know what all that means. So
they get to decide, you know, who is a linguistically
isolated community. But basically they give out these grants to
(04:38):
organizations to help rectify the injustice of utilities. And what
I love about this, well, let me give you a
couple examples. They're one of the leading anti fossil fuel
groups is called three fifty Colorado. There's a national organization
(04:59):
as well, and last year they got about nine hundred
thousand dollars in donations. Of that, one hundred seventy three thousand,
seven hundred dollars came from your Office of Environmental Justice.
There's another organization called Greenhouse Connection Center, and their job
(05:21):
is to pair You're going to like this, This is the
Mandy Donaldson. You like this, prepare the arts and activism
with healing, connection, education and transformation as they developed quote
develop climate solutions with lasting environmental and social benefits. Or
(05:45):
does that mean they're being group Well?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, okay, wait, wait, okay, So I just want to
ask you a question about that last one, because I'm
actually working on a Greek tragedy style musical about the
Tina Peters situation.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And so what you're telling.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Me is that if I just add a climate change component,
maybe they'll give me money.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Exactly. But you have to be anti fossil fuels to
do this. By the way, the woman who founded the
group I just said the greenhouse connection also works for
the alt left group Colorado Rising. They build themselves as
(06:27):
oil and gases chief adversary. And let me just give
you one more. There's something called Urban Symbiosis. That's another organization.
They're focused on building a fair ecosystem and food system.
So their budget, their budget that I saw in their
(06:50):
tax forms was one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars and
they got a grant for two hundred and seventeen thousand dollars.
They almost tripled the budget by getting gifts from Colorado taxpayers.
And this money is used to lobby, to go down
and lobby. A matter of fact, you can see it
(07:11):
on some of their tax forms of how much is
being used for direct lobbying and others that they're just
used to organize people. Now, this is great if you
are an anti energy guy, maybe you love this, but
that also means if the other team gets in charge
and starts spending tax money to give to organizations to
(07:34):
lobby for oil and gas, cracking or coal. You've got
to be okay with that as well. And I guess
ray I'll wrap it up with this part, which is
what's so crazy, is that what they try to do
is under the skies of trying to have the poor
via this environmental justice, these elitists are working to make
(07:57):
energy prices skyrocket, which disproportionately hurts guess who, the poor.
So they are using the poor as ponds to raise
energy prices and cut off our energy supply. They exploit
financially vulnerable groups to lobby for unworkable energy policies that
(08:21):
are going to devastate financially vulnerable groups. Yeah, this is
beyond perverse. They're encouraging people to want to see themselves
as victims and then to use those newly identified victims
to lobby for laws that will hurt those very same people.
It's ugly, it's sick.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
John the I don't know if you saw this study.
It came and went very very quickly from our news
media coverage, and that was they did a long study
in the name of environmental justice about the air quality
around the and I want to say it was the
Elisias wants, what are the neighborhoods right there? Thank you,
(09:02):
Swansea Alirius, Swansea neighborhood. And so they spent all this
money doing this environmental justice study because they were hell
bent on proving that it was I seventy that was
leading to higher rates of asthma and other breathing conditions
in those neighborhoods, only to find out the air quality
wasn't bad at all, and that study just disappeared.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
It just was like it was.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Here today, gone tomorrow. We're never going to see it again.
So what we're doing here is saying we want to
go after environmental justice. But when then the study doesn't
show that there is environmental injustice, they're just moving the goalposts.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I mean, am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Understand, one of the things that has happened in Colorado
over the last couple decades is the Slowinsky way that
anti energy people have infiltrated the system. So we have
a PUC that wants to get rid of affordable energy,
We've got a governor who appoints people on the Oil
and Gas Commission to stop that. We've got these pressure
(10:01):
groups that push for these laws and these regulations with
our own money, and the people who are going to
get destroyed by this be the poor. In ordice, your
utility bills keep going up. It's going to be worse
in Colorado perhaps than any other state in the nation
(10:22):
because they are taking away affordable energy.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So right now, do we have any recourse other than
electing people who will shut these offices down.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
This was created by the legislature, I believe, and we
have an Office of Environmental Justice. We need a governor
and a legislature that gets rid of this. Quite simply,
you're spending millions of your dollars to raise your utility
prices and shut off affordable energy. This is so wrong
(10:59):
because it hurt hurts the poor. What I love about
the left is that they're constantly squawking about how they're
the ones that care about the poor, but nearly every
policy they do screws the core. What they do on
environmental stuff hurts the poor who can't afford it. What
do they do with education? They do it one size
(11:19):
fits all. Rich people can get out, poor people can't. Transportation,
they put most of our money into a failed trolley
system that almost no one rides. But if you have money,
you can buy a car. So they hate the poor
and they exploit them, and now they're using our money
to do so. And I was surprised. I've never seen
(11:42):
this reported anywhere, So I put it in my column
for the Denver Gazette. Will be up on Complete Colorado
later today, and I hope you'll link to it. I
hope on my grip blog.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's already linked on my blog, John, Because if I'm
going to get angry about something, by God.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I'm not going to be the only one one. I
am going to make all.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Of my listeners read it too, so they can be
as frustrated as I am about this stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
But this is Do we know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
When the Office of Environmental Justice came into being?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Do you know when it had to have been after
twenty nineteen?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah? There, it was just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Because I can't imagine that if the Republicans had any
say in the legislature that this would be a thing,
and we all know they don't for some time now.
So I what I'm looking at I'm looking at this
from a different perspective now, John, because obviously you and
I we.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Are doing this wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Right, we have to set up some kind of organization
with the right language and go with me on this.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
With the right language.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
We're going to use all of the buzzwords, but we're
going to use their inability to be straight about something
to our advantage. We are going to gunk up the
works so completely with all of the little buzzwords on
the left and justice and what was it linguistically What
was the linguistic thing?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I forgot already.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
It was linguistically isolated, right, right, right, So we're going
to use all that jargon and you and I are
going to put in a grant proposal and see if
we can get some of this grift.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I would love to do that. The Colorado Office of
Environmental Justice is run by the Colorado Department of Public
Health and Environment and they're the ones who they're the
ones who put it all out with our money. So
keep in mind, where you have potholes, millions of dollars
(13:37):
are going to fund the alt left. When you're not
getting the buses you need for your kids, you're not
getting the education you need. There you have it, that's
where it's going.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I have to listen. I have to share a text message. Now,
I just want to warn you before I read this
text message to you, John Caldera from the Independence Institute.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Your IQ is going.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
To drop just a hair after you hear this, but
I want you to listen to it anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's a difficult thing. I've known me for a long time.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Just well, there's not a lot of hair for it
to drop either. So how about this when this text says,
are you serious? You used to be able to ride
a trolley across the country with transfers. The oil companies
burn the trolleys to the ground to make you buy
a car. And this is the liberals fault. It gaged me,
is how they signed it. So I don't know if
(14:24):
gag is a family name or if it's just their
parents came up with something creative, but that's what we're
dealing with.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Let me go off on that one for a second,
because this is one of my most important passions, that
mobility is the key to the American freme. That you
show me a man who's limited to how far he
can walk or how far he can go on public transit,
I will show you a man who will never go
above the first rung of the economic class. And is
(14:55):
mostly it is mostly people of color who are poor,
who can't afford a car. And I've probably regaled you
many times with a story of my five hundred dollars
dots in to ten that I got in college. And
it was a babemobile because you know, I went zero
to sixty and under fifteen minutes favor pay, cracked wind celled.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
The headline are probably in the middle.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, and when when when it rained, water would
pull up in the passenger side. Yeah, so I had
to take a hammer and nail poke a hole in
to give drain it. But that five hundred dollars dots
and could go anywhere Alexis could go and do it
for a lot less. Yeah, it freed me to hold
down a job. It freed me to see clients. It
(15:40):
freed me to go to school. It freed me to
live a life and start a business. That five hundred
dollars and mobility and good roads, let me be who
I am. Go go down to people who are have
no choice but to write transit. I'm not talking about
you know which guys who take the train into so
(16:01):
they don't have to pay parking. I'm talking about people
who have no other choice. Right, Most people are on
the bottom of the economy, and what your listener just
wrote is hateful because what she wants to do is
keep those people down while people, mostly white, who can
afford a car, get to live the American tree. This
is why stuff like this is so very, very wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Well, ultimately, and I'm gonna let this be the last word,
and I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's it's like, how valuable is your time.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
The lower you are in the economic ladder, the less
valuable your time is, and you have an hour and
a half to spend getting to work. The higher up
the ladder you are, your time is more valuable, and
that hour and a half could be spent doing something
far more productive. John, it's a great column. John Caldera,
always one of my favorite guests and my pal, and
I appreciate you burning me up. But if I could
(16:52):
get a trigger warning or something, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, next time, your money going to be worked against
you to hurt the poor. That's the headline here.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
You go, all right, jot, I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Thank you, all right,
My friend from the Independence Institute, rabble rouser and all
around good guy, John Caldera, Hello, my friend. That was
a very brighton, sunny, good afternoon. Are you feeling your
oaths today?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You always make me feel bright and sunny. You are
the sunshine in my life.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Wire it's getting deep in here and we're not even
flooding with a hurricane Milton yet. No, uh, John, I
gotta tell you I got suit. I had a high
school teacher, Nancy Hunter was her name. She was also
our cheerleading sponsor, and she was an older lady When
I went to school there. She actually just passed away,
but her big line was when you do something out
(00:38):
of order in her algebra class, she'd.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Go, that just burns me up.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And when I read your column this week, I channeled
Nancy Hunter and I said.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That just burns me up because.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
You exposed to me something I did not know, and
that is I am funding the opposition.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Please explain to my listeners what you wrote about funding.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You are funding me opposition, you know the old saying
and poker you're playing with the house's money. Oh yeah, well,
your opponents on energy policy who are trying to make
all of your energy choices go away. Are spending a
lot of money to lobby the legislature, lobby the Oil
and Gas Commission, and you are giving them government money
(01:22):
to do so. And I didn't know until I poked around.
The Colorado's Office of Environmental Justice gives out the Environmental
Justice Grant program. So, in other news, Colorado has an
Office of Environmental Justice.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I never wanted to be mayor until right now, just
so I can go rip the name tag off the
door of the Environmental Office of Justice whatever Justice League
of environment What.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
What is this right? And it's yeah, it's it's staff
by a bunch of people with crowd pronouns, and they
get Their job is to spend our tax money giving
out grants and helping promote environmental justice.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
What does that even mean?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
God, I was hoping you wouldn't ask that. I said,
nobody knows what that means. Here's my research. Here is
here's what I found. You know, the term environmental justice.
It's kind of like defining pornography. You really can't, but
they know it when they see it, and so they
I looked at their definition in the state and it's
(02:40):
this weird, convoluted bureaucratic fluff and a woke speak. And basically,
the way it looked to me was their job is
to split our community into as many smaller communities as
possible and then say that the ones that are most
victimized get to work to push socialism. So they find
(03:02):
these groups, tell them that they've been victims of the
environment or utilities or something. And what I found out
and you love this. Our money goes to the Office
of Environmental Justice and their goal is to quote give
aid to disportionately impacted communities. Whi's just like the term
(03:26):
environmental justice requires yet more definitions. Okay, so yeah, let
me they have a list. The office says that disproportionately
impacted communities include low income communities, communities of color, housing
burdened communities.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Wait stop, wait what wait?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So they're living under their house, they're holding their house
up on their.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Back, They're burdened housing burden. I love this one. Linguistically
isolated communities. What, yes, linguistically isolated. Yeah, I guess they
can't speak well. Historically marginalized communities. Huh, communities with environmental
(04:16):
and socio economic impacts, tribal lands, and mobile home communities.
Now I don't even know what all that means. So
they get to decide, you know, who is a linguistically
isolated community. But basically they give out these grants to
(04:38):
organizations to help rectify the injustice of utilities. And what
I love about this, well, let me give you a
couple examples. They're one of the leading anti fossil fuel
groups is called three fifty Colorado. There's a national organization
(04:59):
as well, and last year they got about nine hundred
thousand dollars in donations. Of that, one hundred seventy three thousand,
seven hundred dollars came from your Office of Environmental Justice.
There's another organization called Greenhouse Connection Center, and their job
(05:21):
is to pair You're going to like this, This is the
Mandy Donaldson. You like this, prepare the arts and activism
with healing, connection, education and transformation as they developed quote
develop climate solutions with lasting environmental and social benefits. Or
(05:45):
does that mean they're being group Well?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, okay, wait, wait, okay, So I just want to
ask you a question about that last one, because I'm
actually working on a Greek tragedy style musical about the
Tina Peters situation.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And so what you're telling.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Me is that if I just add a climate change component,
maybe they'll give me money.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Exactly. But you have to be anti fossil fuels to
do this. By the way, the woman who founded the
group I just said the greenhouse connection also works for
the alt left group Colorado Rising. They build themselves as
(06:27):
oil and gases chief adversary. And let me just give
you one more. There's something called Urban Symbiosis. That's another organization.
They're focused on building a fair ecosystem and food system.
So their budget, their budget that I saw in their
(06:50):
tax forms was one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars and
they got a grant for two hundred and seventeen thousand dollars.
They almost tripled the budget by getting gifts from Colorado taxpayers.
And this money is used to lobby, to go down
and lobby. A matter of fact, you can see it
(07:11):
on some of their tax forms of how much is
being used for direct lobbying and others that they're just
used to organize people. Now, this is great if you
are an anti energy guy, maybe you love this, but
that also means if the other team gets in charge
and starts spending tax money to give to organizations to
(07:34):
lobby for oil and gas, cracking or coal. You've got
to be okay with that as well. And I guess
ray I'll wrap it up with this part, which is
what's so crazy, is that what they try to do
is under the skies of trying to have the poor
via this environmental justice, these elitists are working to make
(07:57):
energy prices skyrocket, which disproportionately hurts guess who, the poor.
So they are using the poor as ponds to raise
energy prices and cut off our energy supply. They exploit
financially vulnerable groups to lobby for unworkable energy policies that
(08:21):
are going to devastate financially vulnerable groups. Yeah, this is
beyond perverse. They're encouraging people to want to see themselves
as victims and then to use those newly identified victims
to lobby for laws that will hurt those very same people.
It's ugly, it's sick.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
John the I don't know if you saw this study.
It came and went very very quickly from our news
media coverage, and that was they did a long study
in the name of environmental justice about the air quality
around the and I want to say it was the
Elisias wants, what are the neighborhoods right there? Thank you,
(09:02):
Swansea Alirius, Swansea neighborhood. And so they spent all this
money doing this environmental justice study because they were hell
bent on proving that it was I seventy that was
leading to higher rates of asthma and other breathing conditions
in those neighborhoods, only to find out the air quality
wasn't bad at all, and that study just disappeared.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
It just was like it was.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Here today, gone tomorrow. We're never going to see it again.
So what we're doing here is saying we want to
go after environmental justice. But when then the study doesn't
show that there is environmental injustice, they're just moving the goalposts.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I mean, am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Understand, one of the things that has happened in Colorado
over the last couple decades is the Slowinsky way that
anti energy people have infiltrated the system. So we have
a PUC that wants to get rid of affordable energy,
We've got a governor who appoints people on the Oil
and Gas Commission to stop that. We've got these pressure
(10:01):
groups that push for these laws and these regulations with
our own money, and the people who are going to
get destroyed by this be the poor. In ordice, your
utility bills keep going up. It's going to be worse
in Colorado perhaps than any other state in the nation
(10:22):
because they are taking away affordable energy.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So right now, do we have any recourse other than
electing people who will shut these offices down.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
This was created by the legislature, I believe, and we
have an Office of Environmental Justice. We need a governor
and a legislature that gets rid of this. Quite simply,
you're spending millions of your dollars to raise your utility
prices and shut off affordable energy. This is so wrong
(10:59):
because it hurt hurts the poor. What I love about
the left is that they're constantly squawking about how they're
the ones that care about the poor, but nearly every
policy they do screws the core. What they do on
environmental stuff hurts the poor who can't afford it. What
do they do with education? They do it one size
(11:19):
fits all. Rich people can get out, poor people can't. Transportation,
they put most of our money into a failed trolley
system that almost no one rides. But if you have money,
you can buy a car. So they hate the poor
and they exploit them, and now they're using our money
to do so. And I was surprised. I've never seen
(11:42):
this reported anywhere, So I put it in my column
for the Denver Gazette. Will be up on Complete Colorado
later today, and I hope you'll link to it. I
hope on my grip blog.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's already linked on my blog, John, Because if I'm
going to get angry about something, by God.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I'm not going to be the only one one. I
am going to make all.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Of my listeners read it too, so they can be
as frustrated as I am about this stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
But this is Do we know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
When the Office of Environmental Justice came into being?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Do you know when it had to have been after
twenty nineteen?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah? There, it was just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Because I can't imagine that if the Republicans had any
say in the legislature that this would be a thing,
and we all know they don't for some time now.
So I what I'm looking at I'm looking at this
from a different perspective now, John, because obviously you and
I we.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Are doing this wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Right, we have to set up some kind of organization
with the right language and go with me on this.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
With the right language.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
We're going to use all of the buzzwords, but we're
going to use their inability to be straight about something
to our advantage. We are going to gunk up the
works so completely with all of the little buzzwords on
the left and justice and what was it linguistically What
was the linguistic thing?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I forgot already.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
It was linguistically isolated, right, right, right, So we're going
to use all that jargon and you and I are
going to put in a grant proposal and see if
we can get some of this grift.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I would love to do that. The Colorado Office of
Environmental Justice is run by the Colorado Department of Public
Health and Environment and they're the ones who they're the
ones who put it all out with our money. So
keep in mind, where you have potholes, millions of dollars
(13:37):
are going to fund the alt left. When you're not
getting the buses you need for your kids, you're not
getting the education you need. There you have it, that's
where it's going.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I have to listen. I have to share a text message. Now,
I just want to warn you before I read this
text message to you, John Caldera from the Independence Institute.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Your IQ is going.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
To drop just a hair after you hear this, but
I want you to listen to it anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's a difficult thing. I've known me for a long time.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Just well, there's not a lot of hair for it
to drop either. So how about this when this text says,
are you serious? You used to be able to ride
a trolley across the country with transfers. The oil companies
burn the trolleys to the ground to make you buy
a car. And this is the liberals fault. It gaged me,
is how they signed it. So I don't know if
(14:24):
gag is a family name or if it's just their
parents came up with something creative, but that's what we're
dealing with.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Let me go off on that one for a second,
because this is one of my most important passions, that
mobility is the key to the American freme. That you
show me a man who's limited to how far he
can walk or how far he can go on public transit,
I will show you a man who will never go
above the first rung of the economic class. And is
(14:55):
mostly it is mostly people of color who are poor,
who can't afford a car. And I've probably regaled you
many times with a story of my five hundred dollars
dots in to ten that I got in college. And
it was a babemobile because you know, I went zero
to sixty and under fifteen minutes favor pay, cracked wind celled.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
The headline are probably in the middle.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, and when when when it rained, water would
pull up in the passenger side. Yeah, so I had
to take a hammer and nail poke a hole in
to give drain it. But that five hundred dollars dots
and could go anywhere Alexis could go and do it
for a lot less. Yeah, it freed me to hold
down a job. It freed me to see clients. It
(15:40):
freed me to go to school. It freed me to
live a life and start a business. That five hundred
dollars and mobility and good roads, let me be who
I am. Go go down to people who are have
no choice but to write transit. I'm not talking about
you know which guys who take the train into so
(16:01):
they don't have to pay parking. I'm talking about people
who have no other choice. Right, Most people are on
the bottom of the economy, and what your listener just
wrote is hateful because what she wants to do is
keep those people down while people, mostly white, who can
afford a car, get to live the American tree. This
is why stuff like this is so very, very wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Well, ultimately, and I'm gonna let this be the last word,
and I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's it's like, how valuable is your time.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
The lower you are in the economic ladder, the less
valuable your time is, and you have an hour and
a half to spend getting to work. The higher up
the ladder you are, your time is more valuable, and
that hour and a half could be spent doing something
far more productive. John, it's a great column. John Caldera,
always one of my favorite guests and my pal, and
I appreciate you burning me up. But if I could
(16:52):
get a trigger warning or something, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, next time, your money going to be worked against
you to hurt the poor. That's the headline here.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
You go, all right, jot, I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Thank you, all right,
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