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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Not as entertaining as the Voice was a couple of
seasons ago when a guy named Body came out on
stage and started singing, and I watched.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The Voice intermittently.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
That's I always watched, like the beginning, the first part,
and then I'll pick it up. I don't watch a
lot of TV, so I'll pick it up when I
see it and everything. But I followed Body and one
other guy online like I was.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
A dedicated YouTuber.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The day after the show, I'd go see what was
going on, and Body came in first runner up.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I personally think he.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Got robbed, but we're going to talk about that on
the show because he is coming through town right now.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Body, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I met your mom first, I did she It came
on the show when you were on the show, and
it was just I love mom pride. Mom pride is
the best kind of pride. Dad pride right along there
with mom pride. But she was so proud of you,
and I felt because of that, I was even more
invested and I might have said some untoward things towards
America when you did not win, but you came.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
In first runner up. Tell me about that experience. Just
you know, my brother was on.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
A reality show years ago, so I kind of have
a little bit of a feeling for the ins and
outs of it. But what is your experience on that
program in terms of how much creative freedom did you have? Yeah,
to choose the songs that you sang every week and
develop those songs with your coach.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
What was that like?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, it was a shockingly incredible experience. I went into
it just curious if I could even get it. A
chair turn and to see myself, you know, months later
in the finale was really wild, and I along the
way I was. I was pleasantly surprised with how much
creative freedom I actually got. And that's not the story
for everybody, but I think for whatever reason, I was
(01:41):
just kind of able to wheasel my way in and Well.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You had a little more experience than some of the
especially the younger kids that come in where they're just green,
they've got nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So do you think that got you a little bit
of leeway? Yeah, one hundred percent. I think that experience
definitely played a part of it. I think that just
the relationships, like I was intentional with building relationship with
production people and man and speaking the language of the
of the band and like really buddying up with them,
and I was I was sending them, you know, tracks,
and I was like really arranging songs for them to
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learn and play. And one of the musicians actually told
me last my last rehearsal at the end of the
whole the whole season, he said, you made us work
harder than any other artists that's ever been on this show.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And he's like, I mean that in a good way.
And it was true.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I mean they were so sweet and so patient with me,
but I really I put them to work and it
was awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Good for you.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean, that is a very intimidating situation when you
are sort of in the industry on that level. You're
on TV, millions of people are seeing you. I think
it would probably be really easy to just defer to
what you were being asked to do or told to do.
And I got to tell you, there are times on
that show where someone sings a song that for me,
I hear it, I see it, and I.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Go, man, that was just a wrong choice.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And I always wonder was it the choice of the artist,
or was it the choice of the coach or someone else,
and I almost always feel like it was made by
someone else.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, you know what I mean, definitely, that's definitely a
big part of it. Actually, early on, like at the beginning,
there's so many people they're just trying to get the
auditions done with and that I've heard many stories I
know personally people who were given songs that they didn't
want to do and it didn't serve them well. But
it's I mean, it's a TV show at the end
of the day. I mean, anyone that asked me now like, hey,
what's your advice, I say, Hey, whether you make it
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or not doesn't mean you're bad at singing or chriss singing.
Because there's been people on the show that weren't very
good that made it really far. And there's a lot
of people on the show that barely even made it
maybe it didn't even make it on the show that
were incredible, And it's just it's a TV show and
that's what you're signing up for. You You're there to
be an arc type in their plot that they're developing.
And I was blessed with the opportunity to really they
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represented me really well, which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
What was your arc type?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Because I don't feel I feel like you were like
you were maybe the off the beaten path kind of guy.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
They leaned into the family man for me, which I
wasn't expecting. I was expecting either the church guy because
I have you know, I have that in my background,
or maybe the family guy or maybe the edgy guy,
and they kind of let me be all of it.
But they have another gospel artist that was more the
church singer right, which I think that helped me out
and he made it really far too good good buddy
(04:05):
of mine, But I think that kind of let me
kind of pave my own way, and they really helped me.
They let me paint the picture of like this is
the artist, the guy that's making his own version of
the songs, and they made me look a lot better
than I really was.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
It really helped me go far on the show.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Your your performance of Gratitude in the finals like destroyed
me when it happened, destroyed me. And this morning I
went to find you to put it on my blog,
it destroyed me again. It was just like it is
such a beautiful song, and it wasn't. It wasn't just
the song itself because a lot of people have sung
that song and it's it's a pretty song, it's a
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very If you go to a contemporary Christian church, you
have heard this song.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So there's a lot of versions of it out there.
But you performed it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It wasn't just you singing, and for me, that was
one of the things that drew me to me to
you specifically.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I'm a failed theater major.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
From Coyllege, so I see a lot of people that
will sing, but they don't perform.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You inhabit these songs. How do you choose the music
that you want to sing?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
That's awesome question.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
That song was easy because I have a love for
the Lord, and that made it a lot easier to
connect with the song because that was the one song
out of every song I did on the show that
wasn't about me. It was I was worshiping, So that
was different. But on a more generic level, I think,
I just I feel the lyric, I feel the music,
and I just I want to give everything I have
to narrate and communicate that. Yeah, But on the church side,
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I mean that song there was I mean my mom
was there, were you there as well? My aunt, my
aunt's in the studio with us today. They were both there.
I had home court advantage that night because I had
probably fifteen to twenty people in the audience that were
from my immediate church, sure like.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
So we were all just worshiping. It was it was shocking.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
You may not be able to tell in the live
you know, playback, but all four judges and this isn't
because I sang the song good.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It was just it was powerful, like it was speechless.
They were prying.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Gratitude is a huge part of my life. And I
can't tell you how many times I'm walking through my
day and something happens and I say a little thanks
God for whatever that thing was, because that is something
that is important to me individually. I'm not gonna sit
here and profess that I have this incredibly you know,
close walk with God, but I have my own relationship
with God, and gratitude is a big part of it.
(06:14):
And that song just at that performance, because everybody in
the studio, it felt like everybody was sitting there holding
their breath in a way that was good. You know,
what do you listen to who influences you?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Speaking of church stuff, I'm definitely still very much involved
in that world of Christian music.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But have you release a faith album.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't know if I call it a faith album.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I'm signed to Sony's Christian label, so I make Christian music.
But I mean I'm playing a bar tonight in Denberg,
so it's definitely.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Not playing tonight. I looked on your website.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I find oh, it's the front of the page. Come on,
I'm playing at globeholl Okay.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah, it's tonight, me and my buddy Geo, and there's
another act as well.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's gonna be very fun.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
There's still the kind of music are you gonna play
tonight music?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
It's alternative, so it's very loud in your face. I
have a band with me, my bass players actually hear it,
not too it's just real loud. You'll get sweaty jumping
around at my shows for sure. And then my other
actor is playing with me, Geo. He's more hip hop,
but more like you know, musical hip hop. It's not
as like club hip hop.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I feel like right now is a great time to
be working in the faith music space because there's so
much great.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Music out there.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, and I think I never in a million years
and Don't get me wrong, I've been a Christian my
whole life, and I've been very involved in the church
my whole life, but I never in a million years
was planning on being a Christian artist, because I think
that that, for better or for worse, when you hear
Christian artists, you think like, oh, like church music, It's like,
well no, oh, well gospel music, no. And it's a
fresh time, I think in the music industry where people
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just really are looking for like what's real and authentic,
and even in the church world, like people are like,
all right, are you just gonna judge me and be fake?
Or are you you actually love this God that you love?
And so I think that same posture is carrying out
into consumer like people just just consume music. And I've
noticed more and more of a a crossover between the
secular and the Christian industries now. And that's why it's
a long story how I got there. But now I'm
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signed to a Christian label making Christian music, but I'm
playing bars and I'm playing with artists that don't have
the same beliefs as me. And it's because just because
that's my truth and I believe that that's you know
where my source of joy and peace and freedom comes from,
the Holy Spirit. But my music is just I want
to write from the fullness of who I am. And
for so many years I kept that out out of
my writing because I didn't want to offend people that
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may not have the same view as me.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
But that's not authentic.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And so I've noticed that as I've written more music
that's true and not everything's about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. It's
just about who I am, and a lot of that
is about that. But I just want to write from
the fullness of who I am. And when I started
doing that, my audience expanded and my streams. Not that
necessarily matters, but my streams expanded and all these all
these areas and opportunities have opened up because I'm just
being honest.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
To who I am, and I think people see that.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I think that it is It is a really positive
thing that you have more artists. Jelly Roll is one
of them, and he has talked about his walk with
God and in his own way, but people, it gives
people permission and to say, you know what, I feel
the same way, yeah, and that it seems so stupid
to say it that way that they need permission.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But we live in such a secular.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
World that it is not okay in some circumstances to say, yeah,
this is the path that I'm walking. And I just
I'm so appreciative of you being true to yourself in
that respect, because it would have been easy to become
someone else in service of becoming famous. So go see
Body tonight at Globe Hall.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
He is so good.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And I'm just I feel kind of like your mom,
like I'm so proud of you, just because it's a
tough business to maintain your own identity and we've seen
it two upstars.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I mean, I got a story on my blog.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Today Britney Spears just announce she married herself.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That girl is not well.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I worry about Britney again like a mom, Like I
want a mom, Britney Spears.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Is that wrong?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
But hats off to you going forward. Now, at the
end of every show, we do this dumb thing, oh
called of the Day. Okay, now it's a little bit
of the game show, but nobody ever wins on the
first try.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Actually had one person win on the first.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Try, and and so all you have to do is
try to participate in some manner. Okay, but you don't
have to worry about winning. Okay, everybody's a winner here
on of the day. But it starts like this, I
say this, and now it's time for the most exciting
segment all the radio of.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Its guy of the day.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
And it goes like this, A rod my producer, starts
with a dad joke. All you have to do is
laugh or grown.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
That's it. That's all that you have to do for here.
What is our dad joke for the day, please?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
They rod Well, I tried to walk like an Egyptian.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Now I need to see a Cairo.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Y.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, I don't know about.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
That one who was perfectly Those I love more than
a hearty laugh making you feel uncomfortably.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'm just disappointed, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Good. What is our what is our word of the day? Please?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Word of the day is an adjective. Adjective limpid L
I M P I D.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
What does it mean? Limp it limp imp doesn't it mean?
I mean it can't mean limp that's too obvious.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I think it's it's like like tired, tired.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh I like that, like okay, maybe well I can.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Think of it as like Limpid means something that doesn't taste,
that has no flavors, no flavor at all.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Limp It describes things that are perfectly transparent or clear,
or that are simply in style.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Who know, simple in style? Your your beanie is now
a limpid item. There you got a limp at beanie.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
On today's trivia question, where in the world can you
find the Zimmer clock tower and museum celebrating the work
of innovative twentieth century clockmaker Lewis Zimmer Germany. I'm gonna
get Simmer in Germany or Switzerland. Zimmer.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I'm gonna say Zurich, Sweden.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
We're all so dancing around it, but it's Belgium, Lear Belgium.
In addition to telling the exact time, the tower's elaborate
clockface includes dials tracking the solar cycle, the lunar cycle,
and the metonic cycle. I don't even know what the
metonic cycle is, all right, So now we play jeopardy.
Are you familiar with jeopardy?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
But it okay?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So all you have to do to answer a question
is shout your name body and then you get to
answer in the form of a question. Because I'm super
good at the game that I've created for my show.
I will wait until the end of the question. You
do not have to wait until the end of the question. Okay, ready,
all right, here we go. One thousand percent. Definitely did
not care.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
This at all.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
To body, the category is let's play some music.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Okay, yeah, great, yeah, no, definitely random, definitely ran, totally ran.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
The general drift of the clue is that it's the
next to lowest voice parked in a four part harmony.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Body tenor we will give you the point, but it's
what is tenor?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
You know I blew its zero?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
We give one pass, so yeah, hang on one.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
For you, one zero for me.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Let's go loud dynamic music instruction and it starts with an.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
F body, Body, what is four?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I feel the death has been stacked again. No, no, no,
I am not good at music.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
This wouldwind is not only a double read instrument, but
it's also got two sets of double letters.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Body, what is obo wrong?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Two sets of letters?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Two sets of letters, two sets of double letters. You
have no idea, but soon like I would have guessed
that now I do forget to tell you. When you
guess wrong, you do lose a point, but you're still winning,
and I have to one.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm going to do well here, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Regarding a piece of music, this is the end from
the Italian for Tale my friend.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's what it's like.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Can you hear that? I guess?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Regarding a piece of music? This is the end.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
It's from the Italian for Tale my friend.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
What is crescendow? Dang it? It was the only Italian
word I could think of. What is coda? Oh god?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
This is like the worst category.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
For ever and finally, similar to a portamento, it's the
glo between notes.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I have absolutely no idea body, body, I'm just gonna
risk it. This might I might throw the competition.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
No, because I'm at minus one. You've got one. You're
gonna win, even if you win with zero.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I'm just gonna say, what is slur wrong?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
What is body? Nobody ever? Wins?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
So mad at me right now?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But you did better than I did, and that's really
all that matters. I guess what times the show start
at Globe Hall tonight?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I think at doors are at six? Snop doors are
at seven?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Doors seven? Quick question? How long is the appropriate hug time? Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Just in anymore like you not like a bro hug.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You're hugging someone you care about, but not like.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
You know, I think a bug is collaborative.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
So like once you kind of feel the give release
from what I feel like it should be like a
good time like you hug and then as soon as
one of you kind of starts to release than other.
It doesn't have to be times because I want to
hug my wife longer than I want to hug Aaron,
who's sitting in there with you.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Know what, that makes a lot of sense. Body.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
You are an absolute delight. I was rooting so hard
for yes to think you got robbed, and I hope
you have so much more success going for me.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Thank you so much,