11-25-25 FULL SHOW - Krista Kafer Fills In, Why Snub Family During Holidays

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Christy Gayfer. I'm sitting in for Mandy Connell
and that's a pretty snappy tune. I would mind having
a song composed Christy Kafer be kind of cool A
bit about me. I'm a I'm a Denver native. I
also write for the Denver Post. I'm a Sunday columnist.
You can catch me on Colorado Inside Out on Channel twelve.
I do a bit of TV. Catch me tomorrow night

(00:21):
at eight o'clock, and you can catch me online as well.
I've got a Twitter feed at CHRISTA Kaefer and all
the stuff I talked about today, I've got articles and whatnot.
You can catch it there. I'm not cool enough for Instagram, sorry,
but i do have a public Facebook page. You can
check that out, although I don't post as much there.
And then I've got a substack substack dot com. I

(00:43):
reprint my columns there like like a day on like
four days after they run in the post. So if
you don't, if you don't get the posts, you should
get the posts. I think newspapers are a great thing,
but if you don't, you can always subscribe at substance.
Just punch in my name Christy Kaefer, both with kys

(01:04):
and yeah sometimes I'm here as well. I want to
thank Zach for helping me out behind the glass, person
behind the mic, can't do it without the person behind
the glass. They make it happen. And thinking of Mandy Connell,
friend of mine, for letting me come on her show.
She's a terrific person. She is exactly what you would
think if you listen to her show. She's funny, she's smart,

(01:27):
she's super nice. Like that's Mandy. So great to be
sitting in for her. You can text me at five
six six and I know. And we've got some great
topics for the show ahead. So decolonizing Thanksgiving. I don't
know if you've heard of this, but honestly, can't get
any stupider. Stupider, I think that's more stupid. Let's see

(01:51):
more bad news about marijuana. Yeah, addiction sucks. What can
I say? And it is not U it's not the
best thing, shall we say? And then also why you
shouldn't shun people on Thanksgiving? There's actually like there's actually
like a movement out there. It's you know, it's on
the left, but there's also people on the right that

(02:11):
do the same thing and are shunning people that they
don't agree with. I've been shunned. It was you know,
it was cataclysmic, Still hurting deep in my soul. But yeah,
so if you're thinking about being a shunner, this is
a couple of reasons why why you shouldn't. Hopefully you
saw Bill Maher. Bill Maher is hilarious, but his take

(02:32):
on this I thought was particularly golden. And I've got
the clip of his show up on my on my
Twitter account. You can check it out there. He's funny.
He drops a few too many f bombs for me
to be able to replay it on the show, but
he's He really talks about how stupid it is to
shun people over a disagreement you don't like. Who's somebody
voted for? Who cares? You can still eat with them,

(02:55):
it's fine. And then why you should use good grammar
when you're wishing death upon your enemies. Yeah, yeah, it's important,
and uh, I'll tell you why in it. Jeff also
forgotten Thanksgiving foods. Yeah, I got I got some history.
I think I think you'll enjoy, especially if you were
listening to the last show Michael he did. He did

(03:15):
a good bit on history as well. And I think, uh,
you know, just a little continuation of that message. So
you want to reach out to me. This person says,
thank you Christa appreciate it. Hey, thanks a lot five
six six, And I know, love to have you listening in,
love to have you text. Appreciate the appreciation. So we'll
start off with our non Thanksgiving topics and they'll get

(03:39):
to those in a bit. So there was there's this
effort right now to free Tina Peters as she was
convicted of nine years she did. I think it was
four felonies, three misdemeanors. She was She was convicted by
a jury of for peers out in Mesa County, so
probably all Republicans in the in the jury, most likely
the UH district dea out there. He's also a Republican,

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and she was convicted. She like messed with machines. She
like turned off security cameras, She invited people who didn't
was supposed to be there and gave them access. She
messed up the machines so that it had to be
thrown away, costing taxpayers like a million dollars to replace it.
The whole thing between the investigation, her legal fees, the machines,

(04:27):
all the stuff that had to be replaced was it
was a couple of million dollars for taxpayers. That alone
should make you not not a fan of this woman
and still not sorry she did it. She's been behind
Barza about a year now. There's an effort by the
Trump administration to free teen of pears. And he can't
do it directly, he can't pardon it like he did,

(04:49):
you know those people who attack the capital. He's got
to do it it kind of crafty way by saying, yeah,
let's put her in a federal facility, and that's you know,
that's basically going to be a jail free card. Let's
be honest. And it's so offensive to the folks here
in Colorado that we're seeing bipartisan efforts County clerks, we've

(05:10):
got the Mason County District Attorney also, you know Democrats
as well, saying hey, we cannot have a miscarriage of
justice here. This person has to serve the time that
she earned. She did the crime, she needs to do
the time. And honestly, if you're a Republican, you should

(05:30):
be in the if you did the crime, do the
time category. We're not known I'm a Republican. We're not
known for our leadiency towards those convicted of crimes, so
that alone should make you want to, you know, make
sure she serves her time. Well, here's the deal. There's
this crazy guy. I don't want to give him too
much press because he's pretty fringe, but Joel Oltman or

(05:53):
Joe Oldman, rather, he's not Joelie's Joe Joe Oltman. It's
got two ends m A N N. He's some kind
of pad podcaster. I'm sure he's got a handful of listeners.
But he makes the news because he says obnoxious things,
including wishing death upon his enemies. Now, as somebody who
doesn't have enemies, it's kind of weird. I think, both

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the whole having enemies thing and then the whole wishing
death upon people thing. So he's out there saying right
now that he was wishing death to Jared Polus, to
Phil Wiser, who is the attorney for the state of Colorado.
Also Jenna Griswold, who is our Secretary of State. He's

(06:37):
wishing death on all of these people and for all
I know. I uh, oh cool. A little more appreciation
coming in on the text line I've six sixth nine.
Oh appreciate it. So that's a problem with that, being
a little adhd you get distracted by this stuff. So
Tina Peters did the crime. Joe Oltman saying free Tina

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Peters and wishing death upon those who disagree with him weird.
It's a weird thing. As a Christian, I can't do that.
I have no desire to do it either. But if
you're going to wish death upon your enemies, if you're
going to want people to be hanged executed for, you know,
because you don't agree with them, you got to get

(07:20):
the verbiage right. And here's why. Joe Oltman has said
numerous times, and honest I think Trump has said this
a couple of times too, that people should be hung.
He said that he thinks that Jared Polish should be hung,
Phil Wiser should be hung, and Jenna Griswold should be hung.
I don't want to get a little grammatical here, but

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as a human being, if you're executed at the gallows,
you are hanged, not hung like a portrait on the
wall that's hung. A jury can be hung, but if
a person is hung, that's a whole all others. That's

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a whole other matter altogether. And I don't want to
give a lengthy description of what it means to be hung,
but I do think it is odd that a fringe
right winger podcaster is calling for Jared Polus to be hung.
I don't know, get a room kind of odd, kind odd.

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So yeah, if you're going to wish wish death upon
your enemies, do in fact get now look up grammar.
That's why we have Google. You can look it up
and say is it hanged? Does it hung? How should
I use this? You're gonna wish death upon your enemies?
Do it? Right? You got a thought on this five

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six six nine O. And it's so cool to get these,
like I don't know, some very nice things coming in
saying people are happy to hear me back on the air.
I used to have a show back on our sister
station six point thirty and it was fun. And before that,
I was at a small station, and uh I I

(09:05):
was on I think I was on the air daily
for seven years or so, and it always, uh always
touches me that people recognize my voice and they're just
happy that I'm back. So uh, there you go. Appreciate
it anyway. What I got when I hit this last
point on sort of our non Thanksgiving topics, and that

(09:26):
is another bad A little bit more bad news coming
in on marijuana. I you know, if you want to,
if you want to smoke pot, just don't smoke it
near me. I hate the way it smells. And it's
ever since, you know, it's become a big business here
in Colorado. There's been some news articles coming out saying
this isn't the kind of habit you want to get

(09:47):
into daily use. As it turns out, Goss's depression, anxiety,
memory loss. Dude, I think we know about the memory loss,
and I also can can have some issues with your stomach.
Apparently people who use continuously use cannabis can end up
with severe stomach pains, vomiting, nausea, and that kind of thing.

(10:10):
So you know, beware Byerbware. Interesting article today in the
Denver Posts just some really sad testimonials of people who
ended up addicted, who started doing it a little bit
here and there, now doing it an awful lot and
find that they cannot walk away from it. There's some

(10:31):
eighteen million people that, yeah, that are addicted to marijuana.
And you know what, I'll confess, I inhaled like what
like forty years ago, back in the late eighties, and
the THHC level of the stuff that we were smoking,
the ditch weed that we were smoking pretty low, pretty low.

(10:54):
So the couple times that I did inhale didn't do
a whole lot for me, ended up writing some poetry,
ended up eating a lot of pudding. I don't know,
I just yeah, for me, it was just all about
eating a lot of food and writing a lot of
bad poetry and then giggling. One time we watch The
Wall Pink Floyd's The Wall while high, which it actually

(11:17):
made less sense, I think, having smoked some stuff and
then that was it. I'd actually I haven't touched this
stuff since. If you do it, hey, it's your life.
Just you know, do it in the privacy of your
own home. It just kills me when people do it
at concert venues, like, don't share your addiction with me.
You know. Even cigarette smokers have gone to the smoking section,

(11:38):
like they're out in the parking lot with their tobacco product,
which doesn't smell nearly as bad, it doesn't linger nearly
as long they're act there being really polite hanging out
in the you know, in the parking lot. They don't
smoke it in a public venue. Seriously, this person says,
we are addicted to easy money as a state. I

(12:01):
definitely I think you're right. I think you're right. It is.
It is right, we are addicted to that money. And
as my sister always says, where's it going? I know, technically,
I'm sure you could follow the money, but I haven't
seen our life. You know, our roads better. They don't

(12:22):
seem any better to me. Our school's better. They doesn't
seem any better to me. I would just assume go
back to the way it used to be, which is
people could use it. It's not like it was hard
to get it, do it on your own time. They
weren't doing it out in public. You know, you'd go
to Red Rocks. You'd have like an itty bitty joint,
cup it in your hands so nobody could see it

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and smoke it really fast. Now people are firing up
these massive blunts, blowing it into the face of their
neighbor who's not smoking. I would rather us go back
to the way it was, which was it was illegal,
but nobody you know, nothing really happened to anybody who
actually did neighbors that were dealers, and they had pretty

(13:02):
good weed, as you would expect from dealers, but they
were dealing. They were small time people. Nobody bothered them.
It wasn't anybody like, you know, sleuthing around their apartment
looking for the weed. I would go back to the
way we were. I think the fact that we've made
it a big business has guaranteed that there are a
whole lot more people addicted to it, and a lot

(13:23):
of young people developing brains smoking pot, smoking high teach
sea level pot and ending up with psychosis, dropping out
of school. And you know, I had some friends that
were heavy users in high school, but again that was
the low TC stuff. This is high, high tech, c
level stuff, and you know, some of these kids end

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up committing suicide. And it just makes me sad. So
I would go back to the day when it was,
you know, we were we were doing it on the slide,
we weren't doing out in the open. I don't know
that we've benefited ourselves at all. Getting a couple other
people on here that are agreeing to and I appreciate
that it is, Oh this is nice. Let's see Christa.

(14:09):
It's good to hear you on the radio again. I
think the last time was Thursday, August the seventh. I
think you're right. I think you're right. Always good to
be in for Mandy. And we're going to actually devote
the rest of the show to Thanksgiving topics. You know,
I've already kind of gone over. If you're about to
wish death upon your enemies, watch your grammar. We've already

(14:29):
talked about that. It is hanged, not hung. If you're
wishing that your enemies were hung, I guess you're wishing
them a blessing in a sense. And you were going
to go with death that was hanged. And then secondly,
if you're going to do a marijuana, don't do it
every day. You know, usually the high THHD level stuff,

(14:51):
you can end up with stomach problems, you can end
up with memory problems, you can end up with addiction.
And nobody wants to have to do something. This is
why I put cigarettes. How long ago was that almost
thirty years ago? Is I got tired of doing something
every single day. I got tired of something owning me

(15:12):
and I couldn't go without it. You go, if you're
a cigarette smoker. You know what I mean, You go
like two hours and hey, and you're you're wanting a cigarette.
You get down to like one or two cigarettes in
the pack, and you start to feel a little panicky,
you know, when kind I get to seven eleven and
now that they're what are they eight bucks a pack?
I don't know how anybody can actually afford afford an addiction.

(15:36):
If I was a cigarette smoker, now I'd have to
go into a life of crime that's like rob banks
to pay for cigarettes. And so I, yeah, I am
pretty pretty happy that I that I don't have an addiction.
It's a little bit. There's a reason they call it
a monkey on your back. It's something that you don't
want on your back that stays with you. And I

(15:57):
don't know what about the saying monkey on your back
comes from. It seems to me they're probably or albatross
around your neck that actually comes from well that's a
literary thing. But yeah, I just to soon not have
large animals stuck on me. This person says, let levels
don't match matter that much. Take an extra hit or
two and it's the same. I guess if you had

(16:18):
low TC stuff and you just smoked a whole lot
of it. It might be the same as dabbing. I
don't know. I don't know, but I think avoiding avoiding
addictions is probably a good thing. It doesn't seem to
end well. If you were to do a ven diagram
of like super highly ambitious people in one circle and

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then another circle of like heavy pot users. I'm not
saying those circles wouldn't intersect at all. There are people
out there who are regular users who are also super successful.
Are there a lot of them? You know? Is a
smoking pot? Is that like listed in the Seven Habits
of Highly effective People? Is it like the eighth habit?

(17:05):
It isn't For a reason. The people I know who
smoke a lot of pod are like, you know, working
at working at the gas station, you know, playing the
guitar in their living room while getting high. Nothing wrong
with working at the gas station, nothing wrong with playing
guitar in your living room. But the chances that you're
going to end up at a fortune five hundred company

(17:28):
pretty pretty slim, Pretty slim. I was more awesome. Awesome
people text in five six six, and I know really
appreciate the kudos. This person says they're paying twelve dollars
for Marbo blacks right at twelve bucks for a pack.
Holy cow, I remember playing twelve bucks for a carton.

(17:52):
So I quit back in ninety seven. And it's yeah,
happy that that is in the past, because it ages you.
Everyone I know who's smoked for a couple of decades
looks a little older, sounds a little older. You know,
you're puffing a little harder going up those stairs. So
I'm glad to be rid of it. And if you're smoking,

(18:13):
no judgment, I know it's hard. It's absolutely hard to
quit smoking. And I get that. This person says, I
love it when you cover for Mandy, especially the sexy
jazz radio DJ voice. You know, I totally could do.
I could do. I could do smooth and Welcome back
to Smooth Jazz. Welcome back Zach to smooth Jazz. You're

(18:37):
listening to smooth Jazz. I could do it. Do you think, yeah,
I get you a run NPR some Yeah, Oh, I
could totally do NPR and welcome back to NPR. You're
listening to Christa Kaefer n Next we'll be talking about
grape growing in the western slope of Colorado. I could
do that. I could also do.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I could also do BBC and welcome back to BBC Radio,
and it could also do Moscow's Best Radio. Yes, if
you're in Moscow right now and you are listening to
the radio, you could listen to christ.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Thea Kaefer on the radio. Yes, that's really good. Yeah,
that's that's all I got really, Although you know, it's
interesting I was listening to I watched a preview of
that how to How to Train Your Dragon, and like,
the dad is Scottish and the kids are not, Like
they couldn't find some other actors to like talk with
a I mean a Scottish accent. It's really hard to do,

(19:29):
but it's not impossible, you know, you can do well,
Like if you know, for a million bucks, I could
find a homeless guy on the street and teach him
a Scottish accent. I'm not saying it's easy. I am
saying that, you know, for for money, people should be
able to learn stuff. Seriously, all right, we get back

(19:49):
and talk a little bit about Thanksgiving and why uh
you've got people trying to like not talk to people
on Thanksgiving. It's called the New Contact movement. And also, oh,
decolonization of Thanksgiving, maybe a little bit on Thanksgiving food.
You're listening to the Mandy Connell Show. This is Christa.
Thanks for tuning in. It's great to be here. I

(20:14):
chext on his five six sixth nine Ozero, and I
gotta read this little comment that came in. It said,
it says, let's see where is it again? Okay, the
stockings were hung by the chimney with care, hung, not hanged,
And that is true. We're talking earlier about if you
had to wish, if you had to, if you want
to wish death upon your enemies, then at least get

(20:35):
your grammar right, get your words right. Joe Olstein, not Oldstein.
That's a different guy, Joe Oltman. He's some weird podcaster
and he's just calling for his people. He doesn't like
to die at the gallows. And he was saying that
he wished Jared Poulus was hung, theol Wiser was hung,
and Jennet Griswold was hung. And here's the deal. An

(20:58):
inadomant object is hung. Stockings hung by the chimney with care.
A picture is hung on the wall. A group of
people like a jury, a jury. You could have a
hung jury, for example, but if a person is dying
at the gallows, that person is hanged. If you say
that person is hung, you're implying something else altogether. And

(21:22):
I'm not going to give a lengthy description of what
that is. I suppose if you don't know, you could
look it up anyway, Moving on, didn't want to appreciate
that comment though, about these stockings. We are heading into
the Christmas season. I will decorate my house for Christmas
this weekend, and I always do it right after Thanksgiving.
It's kind of like the beginning. Try to get it

(21:43):
done by December. First. I love the Christmas season, love Thanksgiving.
I think Thanksgiving is terrific, and so these kind of
the attacks on Thanksgiving of late have been frustrating. And
I will say this is coming kind of a moderate Republican, considerative, libertarian,
independent thinker sometimes, you know, if I think the logic

(22:05):
is held on the left, I'll go that direction. Most
of the time I'm on the right. These two movements
that I'm describing, at least one of them is a
left leaning movement. The other one I've seen on both sides.
So let's start with the both sides. One, and that
is not talking to people you don't agree with. Hilarious

(22:26):
little video of Bill Maher, the comedian that's on HBO.
I have it up at my Twitter account at Chris
de kay for talking about why not talking to people
on Thanksgiving? That's so called no contact movement on the
left in which they refuse to speak to anyone who
voted for Trump. Is talking about why that is completely

(22:47):
off base. But he said, you know, this used to
be the holiday of the fun fs. Right, It's fun, football,
family friends. I don't know, Frankenfurter's whatever, it's your food.
It's a great holiday. And it's become like the F
word for some people as they have walked away from
longtime relationships, walked away from longtime friendships and from family.

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And I have admit it happens on the right. I
too have been unfriended by people who don't agree with me.
And here's the weird thing. The only people who have
unfriended me and I'm a columnist. I've written about four
hundred columns for the Denver Post, four hundred and fifty. Actually,
I've been an opinion person for about a decade and
a half, either on the radio, TV, in print, and

(23:35):
I've only the only people who have unfriended me. There's
about five of them were people on the right, and
three of them were clients, and they were not the
nicest people, so I'm not you know, that's sad about it.
The other two people were friends and they just are
so they just loved Trump so much at the fact
that I'm not a Trump gal, even though I totally

(23:57):
support anyone who is. I mean, you get to support
the person you want to support. They just have stopped
up contact with me, And at first it made me
a little mad. It did. It made me a little mad,
and I was frustrated, I admit, But then I thought,
you know, some people are just very weak, and so
if you have been unfriended by people on the left

(24:20):
or on the right, it may not mean that they
are bad people. I mean, I guess they could conceivably
be bad people, but often it is because they are
just really really weak and they can't handle being around
somebody they disagree with. And I'm I'm one of those people.
You could put me in the room with the far
left the far right. I don't care. If you're a

(24:42):
nice person, we find some stuff in common. You like dogs, horses,
you like food, you like travel, animals, you know, literature, whatever,
we can find something in common and enjoy it. We
don't have to talk about politics. There are like one
hundred and fifty and other topics to talk about. And
so if it's you know, I'm one of those people

(25:04):
that you could you could, you could be.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I know people who campaign for Trump who are huge
Trump fans, and that's awesome, and we can hang out.
I have friends that campaign for Harris and they're in
the no Kings Kings protests. There are awesome people. I
can hang out with them. I don't care. You have
a right to your opinion. You can, you can, you know,
believe whatever you want to believe. It's up to you.

(25:28):
You have a right to believe what you want to believe,
and I have to respect that, So I don't. I
find it weird that people unfriend people over politics, and
I find it weird that there is actually a movement,
the quote unquote no contact movement, in which people primarily
in the left, although as I said, it's happened to
people on the right as well. I've decided to have

(25:50):
quote no contact with people with whom they disagree. I
got it. My way to be around people who disagree
with me because I want to hear what they have
to say. I just think it's interesting. How am I
gonna know what's true if I don't hear both sides? Seriously?
Have you been unfriended by somebody? Five six six nine? Now?
Are there people who have said, you know, I was
going to invite you to Thanksgiving, but I'm not gonna

(26:12):
do it anymore, no stuffing for you because you voted
for the wrong person. It Uh, yeah, let me know
five six six N I know. I think it's uh.
I think it's seriously seriously lame. And I used to
used to he used to make me mad. I'll admit it.
I actually saw one of those people the other day
and he's just not speaking to me because he just

(26:34):
can't be around people he disagrees with. And I have
to admit I felt a little irritated. But then I
was like, you know, some people are just really weak,
and I don't know if it's just they can't they
don't feel that they have good enough reasons. They feel like,
you know, because I don't want to talk about it
if you don't want to talk about it, like they
don't have to talk about politics, it's fine, And I

(26:56):
just think that maybe they just can't, you know, they're
so freaked out that they I don't know. I don't know.
Have you stopped talking to somebody because of politics. Maybe
you can give me some insight as to why somebody
would do that, because I've never done it. The only
time I stopped talking to somebody was this person was
frequently drunk started texting racist things at me and to me.

(27:20):
I mean, I think racism is a sin, it's a
great's gross, and it's not logical, and it's also morally
it's wrong. And saying racist thing. If you want to
be a racist privately, that that's on you. But if
you're going to say things to me, that's no different
to me than throwing up on me. Right, I wouldn't know.
I would no sooner hang out with somebody who threw

(27:42):
up on me on a regular basis and somebody who's
going to say racist things. So I told that person,
I said, until you get sober, because he's you know,
fell off the wagon. It's part of why he's doing
this and repent of racism. I don't want to hear
from you, and I'll still pray for you. I I
still care about you, but I can't be around that.

(28:02):
So that's the only thing I can think of where
I unfriended somebody and I becose I just don't want
to be around that. I don't talk about politics that
much in my private life, so nobody's unfriended me because
I wouldn't stop talking about politics. I'll talk about anything.
I don't care. We can never talk about politics as
far as I'm concerned. This person said, being unfriended by
a coworker who is kind in my boss but not really.

(28:25):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry to hear that. So this person
just texted it. I'm gonna take a break here in
a moment. If you've got people who have unfriended you,
maybe for Thanksgiving, maybe just generally, five six six nine oh.
If you are an unfriender, if you are shunner, if
you know, if you like to shun people, text me
five six six nine oh. Let me know why you

(28:48):
like to text? Is that you know why you like
to uh? I mean, we'll like to text why you
like to shun people? Because I'm curious. It's just not
something I do, and I'm curious as to why you
do it five six six. I know we're to take
a quick break. We'll be back in a jiff. We'll
hang on this topic a little longer, and then also
another movement of the dumbest thing I've ever heard of,

(29:09):
decolonize Thanksgiving. We'll hit that on the back end of
the hour. This is Christy Kayer sitting in for Mandy Connell.
You are listening to eight fifty KOA. And I've got
some good history. I probably caught some history if you
listening earlier to the Michael Brown Show. He had some
good history as well. I've got a little history of

(29:31):
my own. But I just think it's odd that there
is a group of people out there that is like
not inviting people to Thanksgiving or not going to Thanksgiving
because they disagree with somebody. I just think that's weird.
I invited anyone who was of the shunning variety. If
you're a shunner, a person who likes to shun people,
that you could text in at five sixty six ninezer

(29:51):
and let me know why you like to shun. Didn't
get any takers, But yeah, I've been on the back
end of shunning. I've had five actually Republican three were
kind of acquaintances. Two were friends who just decided that
because I didn't agree with them, I had to go.
It was very, very strange, but as I said, human

(30:13):
weakness being what it is. And you know what, if
they were to ever apologize, I would take them back,
because you know, I think people have to. You can
forgive people. I think that's healthy because if you don't
forgive people, you have to live with anger and pain.
I've forgiven them, But if they want to hang out
with me, they're going to have to need to. They're
going to have to apologize and just say, listen, I

(30:35):
got caught up in the moment and I was really
rude and decided to be mean to you, and I'm
over it and I'm sorry, and I would be like, yeah,
no problem, let's hang out again. And so yeah, there
are people who are doing that. There's actually a movement
on the left called the Note Contact people that have
decided that if you voted for Trump, they're not going

(30:56):
to hang with you. And I didn't vote for Trump,
I didn't vot for Harris. I totally support you. If
you voted for either, fine by me. That's you know,
you get to do what she want to do. But
the idea of not hanging out with somebody because they
voted for Harris or Trump is just weird to me.
It's very, very weird. We're gonna take a break in

(31:17):
a little bit. When we get back talk about something
else that's very irritating, and that is this decolonizing Thanksgiving
deal where instead of having Thanksgiving, they want to do
a day of mourning. I'll unpeck that in a bit.
In the meanwhile, getting some text on five six six,
and I know this person says, my aunt won't be

(31:37):
joining us for Thanksgiving, not because we disagree, but because
she can't handle the disagreement like an adult or simply
agree to disagree. I wish you didn't have to come
to that, but she's kind of made it clear that
that's the only option at this point that I get.
If you're going to if you're going to be up

(31:59):
knocked just at dinner, I don't see why somebody's gonna
invite you. And there are like three million different things
that people can talk about, food, travel, the broncos, uh
you know, uh, traffic, nature, religion, whatever you want to
talk about. You don't have to talk about politics. But

(32:21):
if somebody's there and they're you know, angry. And you
know these people that are like tense, they've got those
nerve those like veins sticking out in their neck. They're
like they're just so uptight they cannot wait to like
unpack their angry talking points in your direction. Yeah, that
person sounds really unpleasant, and I get why that person's

(32:44):
not coming to coffee. I tell you what I what
I with those people, what I try to do initially
is get them onto a different topic. I've been seated
at different political events with somebody pretty obnoxious, and I'm
always like, hey, man, I see you t too. I
also love tea, and then go off about how much
I love tea, or oh wow, you like dark meat

(33:06):
on turkey? So do I think that white meats terrible?
And then you know, usually even if you're not that subtle,
you can redirect somebody in a different direction. But if
if you can't, if all they kept doing is bringing
up politics, sometimes a gentle word will turn away wrath.
Sometimes if you just say listen, I hear you. Here's

(33:26):
what you believe. You've voted for Trump, and here's why
you voted for Harrison. Here's why here's why you're passionate
about it. Sometimes if you just kind of repeat back
what they say and tell them that that's what you
heard and that you're glad they shared their opinion with you.
Sometimes those that's all those people need is they just
want to feel heard. They want to hear that you
heard them out, and that's fine. I'll hear you out.

(33:48):
I don't care what the topic is. What I don't
want is to spend the next like hour and a
half getting brow beaten. That's off the table. I also
don't want to hear about your colonoscopy. I just don't.
We're all adults, we're all getting them. I don't need
I don't want to hear about it. I don't want
to hear about it. We all have medical issues, and

(34:11):
there's a time and a place for that. I was
out with some fantastic girlfriends last night, went packed some
medical stuff. You know, I got a lot of medical
things going on. It is fine. I don't need to
hear that from Uncle George at the Thanksgiving table. That's
a with girlfriends over drinks kind of conversation, hanging with

(34:33):
my sister kind of conversation. That is not you know,
past the Turkey and by the way, I am getting
X y Z removed and you know, blah blah blah
blah next week. I don't know details. Thanks all right,
Well good, we're gonna hit. We're gonna hit a break
break now we get back. I've got your comments coming
in five, six, six, nine.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Also hit some other stuff on Thanksgiving, including stupid, decalling,
nice efforts, weird stuff. You're listening to Christa Caper, I'm
subbing for Mandy Connell. You're listening to eight fifty KOA
to be here. Normally, I'm seen but not heard. I

(35:16):
guess you could say I'm a Denver Post columnist. My
column comes out on Sunday. You can subscribe to the
Denver Post to get it, or check me out over
at Substack. I reprinted a couple of days later, and
you can subscribe there as well. So yeah, I'm on
Twitter at at Christakfer and occasionally on Channel twelve. We'll
be there on say tomorrow, Colorado Inside Out eight o'clock.

(35:39):
Check us out there. It's a great program. It's short,
nobody talks over each other. It's interesting, it's a variety
of viewpoints. It's a it's a good thing. We're talking
a little bit about Thanksgiving, and you know, there are
people out there that are annoying, difficult divisives, so it's you.
I think it's understandable not to invite those folks, but

(36:01):
simply not inviting somebody because you disagree with them just
strikes me is odd, very very odd. In fact, unfriending
somebody because you disagree with them just seems odd. And
before I delve into the next Thanksgiving topic, I asked
for a couple of folks to text me at the
text line at five to sixty six, and I know

(36:22):
if they had an experience of being unfriended, because I
had a handful of people do that to me. These
were people on the right, sadly, but it happens on
the left as well. And in fact, there's actually a movement
that I call themselves the no Contact movement, where they
have just decided to shun everyone who supports Trump. And
I just think that's that's rude and it's weird. It's

(36:45):
just not something I can relate to. A couple of
comments that came in over the line. This person says
seems to be the same in the dating world. Conservative
male here not a single liberal woman will go out
on a date with me, you know. I back when
I to do online dating, I found that liberal guys
didn't necessarily want to go out with me. And there

(37:07):
was this really cute guy. I wanted to go out
with him, but he was liberal. And I don't care.
I don't care if you're liberal whatever, as long as
you are you a nice person. Do we have similar faith?
Do we like to travel and hike? Do we both
like dogs? There's other stuff like I could date a Democrat,
for sure, but I think there are Democrats that won't

(37:27):
date Republicans, and there are certainly Republicans that won't date Democrats.
And I think that's weird. Just think it's weird. This
person says, I had a friend of almost twenty years
ask me who I voted for. I reminded her that
I'm not a naturalized citizen yet. So they asked who
I would have voted for, and I said, given the
present options, I choose Trump over Kamala. She then went

(37:51):
up one side of me and down the other and
never talk to me again, just for answering a hypothetical question.
Not cool. Cool. Another person said that their daughter in
law has not spoken to them since twenty fifteen. Why
would you do that? And I feel really bad for
your son because obviously he wants to share his life

(38:11):
with you guys, and he's got a wife that won't
talk to his family. He wants to save his marriage.
He can't you make her see you. He's got to
respect his wife's wishes. But that just seems sad to me.
It just seems sad to me that when people can't
just say, hey, we disagree, or you can even say
if you don't even want to. If you've got somebody
who likes to talk about politics, and you're like, listen,
we're having Thanksgiving. There's going to be some Democrats there,

(38:34):
there's going to be some Republicans there, some independents. We
got some Trump supporters, we've got some Trump critics. Can
we just talk about other stuff? I think that's a
fair request. I just think it's weird to unfriend somebody
or uninvite someone because they voted for, in your mind,
the wrong person. To me, that also doesn't show a

(38:56):
lot of respect for diversity. I know some folks on
the left think of themselves as like the champions of diversity.
If if you don't accept people who voted for Trump.
If you don't accept people who are conservative or Republican,
or Christian or Jewish or whatever, you're not exactly embracing diversity. There.

(39:18):
Embracing diversity says, you know, I'm this, but I also
accept that you are an adult. You can make these
choices for yourself. You get to vote for who you
want to vote for. You get to be what part
of what party or no party. You get to practice
your religion or no religion. And as long as you're
a nice person, you are welcome to my table. This

(39:42):
person says, I've been married for almost thirty eight years.
I'm a Republican. My wife is a Democrat. Lean's liberal.
We choose not to talk about politics very often because
our viewpoints are a bit different at times. I totally
get that, you know, sometimes you just want to talk
about stuff that you have in common, and I think
that's true in general. I admit, though, I am interested

(40:04):
in what people think, you know, as long as they're
not you know, if they're obnoxious, no, but if they
want to say, hey, Christa, I support this or I
don't support that, or I think this or that, and
they want to talk about it thoughtfully. I totally want
to hear them out. In fact, I found that if
you're with somebody who's a little on the angry side,
if they come out with their opinion, if you just

(40:26):
repeat back what you heard, just say, oh, hey, you
know you say that you believe this. Here's what I
heard you say, here's your reasons. And I just want
to say thank you for sharing. Yeah. I mean sometimes
people will be like, let us feel satisfied. That's all
they wanted was to be heard. Some people like to argue,

(40:47):
and I always you know, I will honestly tell people
if you want to argue me, argue with me. If
you want to debate me, you got to pay me.
I do it professionally. I get paid for it. It's
been like this since I got an politics back in
my twenties when I was a congressional staffer. If you
want me to debate you, I can do that. I did.

(41:07):
You know I did speech and debate when I was
in high school too. I can do that. That's fine
if you want to. If you want a debate, you're
gonna see a different side of me. Not not amiable
dinner companion. I'm I kind of play to win. I'm
not nasty by any means, but I will play to win.

(41:28):
And I uh, you're gonna have to pay me, so
you know, if you want to pay me, we can debate.
But otherwise that's not why I'm here. I'm here to
eat the turkey, eat the stuffing, eat the sweet potatoes,
talk about other stuff, enjoy it, and just enjoy Thanksgiving.

(41:49):
And if people can't handle it, then maybe we need
to work on the seating arrangement. So anyway, moving on
to a slightly different topic about Thanksgiving. It almost as
annoying as people who don't want to be around people
they don't agree with. And that is this whole decolonizing Thanksgiving.
This is a new word to me. I've ever heard

(42:09):
of decolonizing before. We're going to decolonize language. Okay, how
far back do you want to go? I'm just asking
because human history since we left the continent of Africa,
and even before that, as we've spread across the known world,
groups of human beings they fight other groups of human beings.

(42:30):
They want their stuff, they want their hunting lands, they
want their women, they want their stuff, they want your stuff.
And so we went from you know, fighting to fighting
big war pretty early on in the scheme of humankind.
In fact, it actually even precedes modern humans. I'm sure.

(42:54):
I'm sure if we look back at the history of
Neanderthals and Homo erectus and homohablists, early human forms, I'm
guessing they like to fight too. It's just part of
who we are. We like to cooperate and we like
to fight, and there was a time when there was
a lot more fighting. I'm glad, given the size of

(43:15):
the weapons, we've cut back a little, just saying I
would not go back to the last century, even where
like a hundred million people died over all of those
conflicts between World War One, World War Two, the wars,
fighting the communists. Communists really like to kill people. They

(43:38):
used to like to kill their own people as well.
It's there was a lot of killing in the last century.
So the decolonizers, I just want to say, how far
are you because they want to go back and be like, oh,
we can't talk about the Pilgrims, you know, we got
to decolonize. I'm like, well, you want to go back
a little before that, because I think you'll find that
Native American tribes from fighting among each other, just as

(44:02):
Europeans were fighting among each other the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries.
Pretty bloody, right, pretty bloody fighting. That's what humans do.
Not saying it's right, it's definitely, but it's definitely not right.
I would say in most cases, most war is morally wrong.
That at least from the you know, the aggressor is

(44:23):
generally wrong. Defending yourself I don't think is wrong, but
it still happens today. You look at Sudan, look at Nigeria,
look at Gaza, look at Ukraine. You've got a dictator
in Russia who's like, we would you know, we just
kind of want a piece of Ukraine. We're going to
take it because we're bigger. Well, Mike makes right with

(44:45):
sort of the law of the land up until you know,
I'm gonna say until recently, because you've got the Church
and others who have come out against war set some parameters,
even have some ancient peoples look at Old you know,
the tribal law of the Hebrews, they tried to put

(45:05):
some parameters around war. So I'm not saying there haven't
been those efforts, but the idea of might makes right
usually kind of the winning philosophy, at least from the
aggressor side. So you can't go back to Europeans coming
to America and say we're just going to criticize that.

(45:25):
I think you can criticize it if you want to,
but you need to be cognizant of the fact that
human beings have been fighting and taking over the territory
of other human beings for a very long time. And
kind of what makes I would say makes what happened
on this continent particularly tragic is that disease took out
millions of people before a weapon was ever raised. They

(45:50):
say that between fifty and ninety percent of the human
beings that were here in North America just gone from measlespox, typhus,
other diseases that Europeans had some immunity to, and all
these folks died. It's very sad, and I think people
should know this stuff. But the fact is that the

(46:12):
Thanksgiving event itself was actually a very beautiful thing. To
say that it was a day of mourning is absolutely absurd.
They had the Pilgrims, they came from England. They were
not the first people here. They were like egads. Look
a continent. People have been coming here for like a century,
over a century. In fact, it wasn't even the first Thanksgiving.

(46:33):
You want to talk about kind of the first Thanksgiving.
The Spanish eight hundred Spaniards came over in a ship
landed in Florida, southern Florida, in like eighteen No, sorry,
fifteen sixty five, but I can't do math. Eighty sixty

(46:56):
years before the Pilgrims, and they did a massive thing
and they had a big meal with the local tribes people.
So you can say that's kind of the first Thanksgiving.
But fast forward to sixteen twenty one, you have the Pilgrims.
They've been here at least a year. They had a
lot of troubles. I want to listen to Michael Brown's
show on the podcast Jukenn. He talks about how initially

(47:20):
they're socialistic practices of communal living, that that didn't work
out so well, but they got a lot of help
from the local tribes people. They started planting corn, started hunting,
started doing different things, and they survived. And so the
surviving members had a big, beautiful meal. They invited the

(47:40):
local tribes people to come over and eat. They ate together.
It was a mix of different foods you had some
of the foods that the Europeans have brought with them,
probably like cabbages and turnips, peas, things like that they
had brought and planted. Then you had native foods like
corn and other foods that it probably wasn't any turkey,

(48:03):
althoughough with wild turkeys didn't get a lot of domesticated
I don't think you had domesticated turkeys in New England
at that time. Turkeys were actually domesticated in Mexico and
so eaten there is a domesticated animal, but so wild
turkey could have been hunted. They also fished. They also
had probably had some seafood. They probably had some clams,

(48:24):
They had other kinds of game that they had hunted,
and they had this big, beautiful feast. It went like
three days. I can't even imagine how full I'd be
after three days. Seriously, that is a lot of food.
And it's you know, it's it's about coming together. It's
about different people coming together and eating together. Thanksgiving is

(48:45):
and would read somebody that just texted five six six,
and I know Thanksgiving is simply a holiday of coming together.
It doesn't matter, it doesn't have to have a whole
lot to do with the pilgrim the Pilgrims and the colonists,
with the Native Americans. It's a manufacturer holiday to bring
people together, you know, I since all holidays are sort

(49:10):
of manufactured. I mean, we don't know that, you know.
I don't think we know that Jesus was born on
December twenty fifth. The holiday commemorating that is a man
made thing. Same with Thanksgiving. But the first Thanksgiving, like
official Thanksgiving, it was actually George Washington as a general,
before he was even a president, he did a Thanksgiving proclamation,

(49:32):
did another one as president, so a first official Thanksgiving
proclamation George Washington. He celebrated the day. He went to
Saint Paul's Chapel in New York City and he donated
food and beer. This is true. Look it up to
the city's in prison debtors. So back in the day,

(49:52):
if you were in debt, you could end up in prison,
which I don't know how you pay your debts from prison,
So I'm not sure that it was super super effective there.
But yeah, George Washington donated beer and food. I think
it's pretty good, pretty cool. The Founders people way back
the used to make beer out of everything. It wasn't
just a grain thing. They'd make beer. I heard they've

(50:14):
even made like pumpkin beer. They loved beer beer. It
was a great way to clean the water in a sense.
So you make a bit big batch of beer. The
yeast in it will prevent any kind of bacteria from
growing in there, so you can safely consume beer made
with bad water. Bad water not always a good thing
to drink. This person says they ate deer and duck.

(50:38):
That is true, deer, venison, probably whitetail. I don't think
mules lived that far northeast, but white tail deer, and
which is I happen to like venison a lot. In fact,
I actually had venison for lunch. A friend gave me
some venison burger and I made it into chili. It's fantastic.

(50:58):
And then duck, absolutely delicious. Duck and goose would be
my two favorite game foods. And I know what you're thinking.
Some of you are out there rolling your eyes. I
please don't go on and on about your food preferences,
so I'll cut it short, I promise, But yes, I
absolutely my hat is off to every hunter out there for,

(51:22):
you know, ethically taking harvesting food from the land animals
that have never known a cage, and then when they
give them to me, they get my appreciation. And I
always say to this people, if you will give me
game food and you can reach out to me on Twitter,
I will bring you freshly made pickles and jam because

(51:46):
that's my contribution. Anyway, We're going to take a break
in just a few moments and then we'll get back
to a little bit more of kind of Thanksgiving, the holiday,
some of the things that have happened over the year
and why I think the decolonizing Thanksgiving and it's a thing,
right so, m I T I'm very disappointed one of

(52:07):
the best universities out there, also Washington University and the
University of California. Not exactly shocking, there were the three
the three of the universities called out in the Fox
News article that I have attached over at my my
Twitter account at CHRISTA Kaefer, both with kse. My middle
name is Elle, so no snide texts about my initials.

(52:31):
Thank you. Yeah, I know the haters are out there
occasionally get your hate for stuff. It's it's a little sad,
but yeah, when you can check out the article there
are universites, it's at the whole university. Usually it's classes.
Certain professors that are like, yeah, we're gonna we're going
to decolonize Thanksgiving, and then they'll you know, some of

(52:53):
their teacher educations are that we're going to teach young
teachers how to decolonize their classroom. Now, oh, let's celebrate Thanksgiving. Yes,
you can give a broader context. You can talk about
the fact that Native American tribes were primarily negatively affected
by migration from Europe. It you know, between the you know,

(53:17):
the disease essentially the wiped out a lot of people,
but it was all it wasn't all worn disease. There
was trade, there was inner marriage, there was there were
a cultural exchange. You know, if you've ever been to
Mexico and you've been to Spain, so I've been to both.
I love Mexico. I think Spain's okay, but Mexico I love.

(53:42):
And one of the reasons that I love Mexico is
this rich, beautiful exchange of three people groups. You had
the indigenous people, you have Spain, and you have African
Americans that were brought as slaves, and the and the
cultural mix of these those three groups of people which
you see south of the border a little bit in

(54:04):
our southwest as well, Mexico, Central America, and South America
to different varying degrees. And there's a couple of odd
countries there in the north, French and whatnot, and then
Brazil of course a Portuguese colony. But all of these
countries are so fabulous culturally, artistically, musically that once you've

(54:26):
gone to Mexico, why bother with Spain. I mean, the
cultural exchange doesn't mean you downplay the pain of disease
and warfare and slavery, and that deeply how awful human
beings can treat other human beings. But you can also
put it in context that cultural exchange can be absolutely beautiful,

(54:50):
and Indians and Pilgrims sitting at a table together, eating
and sharing foods is a beautiful symbol of that human connection.
This is Christa Kaefer. I'm sitting in for Mandy Konnell.
I'm vaccueing philosophical Catch more of your checks when we
get back this. This is eight fifty koa and a

(55:18):
couple of just dumb things that some people are doing
to politicize the holiday, whether it's not inviting people because
they don't like who you voted for, or whether it's
this move to decolonize the holiday. And before I get
to that, I want to read something I just got
from the text line five six sixth and I know
it's a person who already is her parents or his parents.

(55:40):
His or her parents were married for fifty years before
they passed away. Sorry for your loss, because she sounded
like they were really cool. It wasn't until two years
before the person's father passed that we were told that
their mother had been a Republican and their dad a
Democrat for their entire lives. But they never knew it.

(56:01):
The entire time is kids. They never knew that, and
the parents just really loved each other and they loved
the kids. There were five kids, and honestly, I think
you know, you can let your kids obviously know if
you want to where you're coming from politically. But to
cut off kids because you don't, or to cut off
parents because you don't like their politics, I just think

(56:23):
that's weird. That's one thing, if they're obnoxious, like an
obnoxious blowhard, red faced screaming from the end of the table,
that that would be weird. And you know that would
kind of ruin the meal. But if it's simply you
don't like who they voted for, like why would you
why would you unfriend them? That's that's weird. That's just weird.
The other thing that I think is just weird is

(56:45):
this effort to decolonize the holiday. Their words, not mine.
And it's when I say, I'm taking this from a
Fox News article. Three universities called out MIT, which is
a serious place. I'm very disappointed. Washington University and also
University of California. Not exactly a chakra there. Individual professors.

(57:07):
You know, it's not like necessarily a school wide thing
teaching students that they needed to decolonize Thanksgiving or if
they're young teachers, that they should go into their classroom
and do efforts to decolonize the holiday. And I think
that's absurd. I remember as a kid, we used to
make turkeys out of our you know, you would take

(57:28):
the finger paint and you'd, you know, you'd do the
hand in the finger paint and you you'd stick it
on the construction paper and then you'd make it into
a turkey. Like that's what you do with young kids.
Obviously with older kids. You can add a little context
the fact that they were a lot of people already
here when the Europeans migrated to this continent, that that

(57:50):
disease unfortunately killed a lot of people. Maybe fifty to
ninety five percent of the people that were here died.
Just traged absolutely tragic. But and then there was a
lot of conflict after that, And it's tragic. What happens
was human conflict, and there was conflict before the Europeans

(58:11):
got here. It was conflict in Europe before they left.
Human conflict is it's a thing, it's what people do
when they want each other's stuff. Does not justifying it.
Just saying that it's not one people group that's a
victim and one people group that is persistently the aggressor.
It's always a lot more complicated than that. Although I

(58:31):
will say that Native peoples really did get the short
short end of the stick on this one. Between disease
and just having a more technologically advanced people coming in
and scooching you onto ever smaller plots of land is
tragic and wrong. On the other hand, there was also

(58:52):
a lot of positive exchanges inner marriage, cultural exchange, food exchange,
and that cultural change and food exchange is right there
in that holiday. It's pilgrims and native peoples sitting down
to a three day feast together and eating delicious things.
Now those delicious things have changed over the years. It

(59:15):
would have been wild game and things that the native
people's had grown, like squash and corn, things that the
Europeans had brought, like cabbage and turnips, and they would
have sat down and they must have eaten a whole
like of a lot, because it just like three days worth.
It's kind of interesting. The things that we eat at
Thanksgiving come from, honestly, that come from all over the world.

(59:39):
It's crazy when you think about it. So turkey and corn,
if you have anything with tomatoes in it, or peppers
that comes from Mexico. If you have regular potatoes like
stuffing potatoes come from Peru. Also sweet potatoes come from
Central and South America. Came from like the rainforest. The

(01:00:02):
if you have butter, if you put some butter on
your mashed potatoes, that the cows were domesticated in the
Middle East, it's kind of cool. Also, marshmallows you put
some ice is kind of gross. When you put marshmallows
on sweet potatoes like that's guild in the lily man.
Those things are sweet enough, but marshmallows, that ancient recipe

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comes from Egypt. Right. If you have apple pie, the
apples came from Central Asia originally, that's where they were domesticated.
If you have cranberries, they come from here in North America.
But if you put sugar on it, sugar originally comes
from Papua New Guinea. Yeah. So these foods come from
all over the world where they were domesticated from wild foods.

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Now they're on your table enjoying it. And I think
just sitting down and enjoying the beautiful, the beautiful you know,
science of domestication and the beautiful art of exchange that
through cultural exchange over thousands of years, we have all
of these delicious foods together. Now, I think the pecan

(01:01:08):
pie stories the most is the more interesting. Is I
want to do that before we hit our next break
and so pecans. I'm not a huge fan of pecan pie.
I think pecan zach. Do you like pecan pie? I
think it's okay. I'm not a big fan. It's lower
on my Thanksgiving pie to your list that it be
towards the bottom. Yeah, I would. I'd have to put

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it there too. I like pecans and other things I like.
I like walnuts better, honestly, and but mad pecans are okay,
and pecan pie is okay. But if the story behind
the pecan is really cool, So pecans. It's a North
American nut. They were all over the place. They were
eaten by native peoples. They were collected from wild trees

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that people who came from Europe, and they're you know,
the the people that descended from them also love pecans,
and they would be planting them everywhere. Founders of this
country love pecans. But the like growing of pecans and
making pecans tastier, the kind of selective breeding that's made
all foods yummier over time. That was really hard to

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do because which I got about a tree that takes
like twenty years to mature before it produces nuts, so
not an easy thing to cultivate and improve. But they
figured out in the early nineteenth century, so early eighteen hundreds,
that they could graft older like tree things onto newer
onto to younger plants, or they could graft they liked

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the nuts on one tree, they could graft that onto
another tree grafting's done all the time. It's done with roses,
it's done with fruit trees, it's done with grapes. Very often.
The you see like a delicious grape vine, sometimes like
the root is one kind of grape and the top
part of the plant is a different grape, like because

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the roots hardier from like a really hardy strain, top
parts yummier. Sing goes with roses, the bottom part might
be like a wild rose, something gets really hardy, and
then the top part is something beautiful. It's making all
these flowers, right, So that grafting technique four pecans, it's
discovered in like eighteen twenties. But then in the eighteen forties,

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a slave named Antwine in a Louisiana farm makes a
really genius graft and that deliciousness in that particular nut tree.
It became famous at like one awards. Then it ends
up getting like grown everywhere, and so the pecans that
we eat today come from strains like that. So it's

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just kind of cool. So not only do you have
foods from around the world, and you also have people
groups from around the world, and I think it's even
great to celebrate antwine and you know, other African Americans
that came to this country that were that had been
in slavery or were released from slavery, Like George Washington,
Carver made some major improvements on our agriculture. And so

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if you want to supply this kind of awesome information
in your classroom to give context and celebration about what
it means to be human and what it means to
appreciate true diversity, which is appreciating everybody, then you know
what I'm down for it. If you want to use
your classroom as a place to say white people are

(01:04:32):
bad and people who aren't white or good, now that's
not good any more than the opposite would be good.
Anytime you're denigrating a whole people group for their skin
tone or their origin continent of origin, it's morally wrong.
It's not the thing to do. So don't use our
taxpayers University of California to push that kind of propaganda

(01:04:55):
on a beloved holiday. Not cool, not cool at all.
Interesting texts coming in on the text line five, six, six,
nine to oh, So when we get back we'll hit
those as well as finish out this topic on why
Thanksgiving should be celebrated. Enjoy it. Enjoy each other, enjoy

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the history behind it. I got some more historical tidbits
I think you'll find interesting, and you know, kind of
where the you know, we talked a little bit about
George Washington and then Madison he did a Thanksgiving proclamation
and then we don't see any proclamations from the presidential
office until Lincoln. And there's an interesting story behind that.

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We'll talk about that plus your texts at five, six, six,
nine oh when we get back. This is Christy Kayfer
sitting in for Mandy Connell. You're listening to eight fifty KOA.
On the text line, this person says dark pecan pie,
which is made with molasses, is better than light pecan pie,
which is made with sugar. All right, I'm want to

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give it a try. I'm always open to trying new
kinds of delicious foods. It's a pretty open palate. I'll
eat just about anything. Sometimes I joke that I'm like
a you know, grizzly berry eating out of a garbage can.
Like I just I love food, and there's not much
I don't like. I don't like chocolate to cookies, which
is weird, I know. And I don't really like watermelon,
but you know, pretty much open to anything else. This

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person says, there's there should be absolutely no apologize for
what happened in both North and South America. Domination has
been a key part of human nature since we came
to be. I won't argue with that. Yes, there was
a lot of what we would consider war crimes now
these days, but the Indians were doing it to themselves
as well as before Europeans showed up. Absolutely zero sympathy

(01:06:45):
should be given. I would actually take the opposite of that,
in the sense that I just think warst sucks. I
hate killing. I hate death, particularly of civilians. You know,
war and conquest, as you say, has been going on
since forever. And I'm not going to make apologies for
European Americans anymore than I'm going to make apologies for

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native tribes that lived here, for the Huns or the
Romans or the Mongols. Human beings do this. I'm not
going to apologize for what other people do. I can
apologize for what I do, but I will say that
war is terrible, that killing people is wrong, taking other
people's stuff wrong. I think it's morally wrong, and I

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think it's tragic. And you know, I think about what's
going on in Nigeria right now, in which you have
people attacking and kidnapping Christian school children. It's just sickening.
I think the turmoil and you know, potential civil war
in Sudan is tragic. I think what happened in Gaza tragic.

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I think what happened with the terrorists Tamas that attacked
civilian Israelis and killed them was tragic and wrong and sick.
And I think it's tragic and sad that sixty thousand
Cousin's Diide, most of them civilians, a lot of them
women and children. And I just think it's sick and
wrong and sad. I hate war. I hate the idea

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of people dying before they grow old out of violence.
Just think it sucks. Anyway, on that super positive. Now,
I'm gonna go ahead and conclude this hour. We get back,
we'll talk a little bit about a little bit more
about Thanksgiving. I got some other cool historical points for you. Also. Also,

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you know, if you're going to call upon death for
your enemies, why you should get your grammar right. Just
a thought going into the holiday you're planning on doing that.
I've got you back I can help you out. This
is Christy Kaefer. I'm sitting in for Mandy Connell. You're
listening to eight fifty k away. The Mandy Connell Show
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it's Mandy Connell.

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Manna got way say can the icy three?

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Andy Connell Keith, You're sad babe, and welcome to the
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the first time, I'm I usually sort of see not heard.
I'm a columnust so you'll probably see me in print.

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I'm on The Colorado Inside Out some nights. It airs
on Friday on Channel twelve here in Denver. You can
also pick it up online and uh, actually I'll be
on tomorrow night. So great panel. It's a short program.
Kyle Dyers the girl that hosts it. She's terrific, and
it's just it's a lot of fun because people don't

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talk over each other, they're not rude. Each gave interesting
viewpoints and I can't recommend it enough. If you want
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subs deck, just put my name in there. Krista Cafer
with a K had a lot of great stuff coming
in on the text line at five six six'. Nine.
Oh Also grant is now behind the glass helping out

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making the show. Possible, HEY i hope you. Are you
got great plans For? Thanksgiving heading To South carolina tomorrow?
Morning oh? Fantastic what part of the state? Sumter? Sumter
my mom's In? Greenville so is that near? Far no? Idea,
okay this is like in the Far.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Northwest my brother lives there and he is getting married On.
Saturday so we're spending The thanksgiving with his new wife's
family and my family and then celebrating their love On.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
SATURDAY i love. That what a what a lovely time
to get. MARRIED i, mean somebody mentioned that, earlier that
a lot of people get married this time of. YEAR
i just think it's. BEAUTIFUL i, mean you've got the
church is already. Decorated it's not you've got to pay for, flowers,
Right so you've got. Flowers you've got in this case
probably mums and. Pumpkins get a little closer To, christmas

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you get Point settas And. Holly it's it's just a
nice time of, year so talking a little bit About,
thanksgiving AND i think WHAT i would call threats to
a good, time and that is from the right on the,
left to be totally. Frank, also let's get to it
later on this. Hour why it is that if you're
going to call upon death for your, enemies you should

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at least get the grammar. Right and you just might
hit that towards the end of the. Show little sarcasm
on my, part but it's also the, WELL i make
the point pretty well in my column For This sunday that,
yeah there's a big difference between hung and, hanged just
saying if you're like an evil podcaster calling for your

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enemies people you don't like to be, hung hanged would
be the words you're looking for. There if you want
somebody executed at the, Gallows Joel oltman just saying it's,
hanged hanged by the. Neck hung is reserved for inadimant
objects like hung by, this you, know stockings hung by the,

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chimney with care portrait hung on the. Wall you can
have a hung. Jury but if you're talking about individuals they're,
hanged you go With. Hungye it's a completely different connotation,
there And i'm not going to get into it at,
length just to say that if you're going to call
upon death for your, enemies get it. Right you, know

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When Joe oltman says that he Wants Jared polls to be,
hung he's suggesting something a little bit different than having
the man, hanged just saying a little free advice out,
there a little free. Advice let's, See oh see tomorrow
instead Of. Friday you're, right It's Tomorrow's. Thursday tomorrow Is.

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THURSDAY i will not be on tomorrow. NIGHT i will
be On friday night On channel. Twelve, hey thanks Lot
texter at five six six nine er And i'll. See
what do you think of a couple of our verse
shot and killed this. AFTERNOON i, DON'T i. DON'T i
don't know if they were. KILLED i know they were.
SHOT i have to check the news news on. THAT
i think it's disgusting and. Horrible people who shoot and.

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Kill people who murder other people is bad and wrong
and morally. Reprehensible AND i hope that person is jailed
for the rest of their. Life but it is when
you when you shoot at troops even. Worse so those
are folks that are defending our. Country and so, YEAH i,
MEAN i don't know if you're asking, HYPOTHETICALLY i don't
know how anybody could justify that talking a little bit About.

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Thanksgiving two things THAT i think of are a threat
to a good time and that is this no contact.
Movement and it sits on the, left although people do
it on the right, too and that's where they decide
shun people that they just agree. With NOW i have been.
Shunned i'm kind of a moderate republic. KID i don't
know how you would describe me. Exactly I'm, i'm you,

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know kind of Where mandy And ross are kind Of
i'm really pro, life so Maybe i'm to the right
of them on. That but Maybe i'm, Like i'm anti death.
Penalty maybe that puts me to the. Left I'M i
don't have a lot of team, spirit so the fact
That i'm willing to Criticize republicans kind of sets me
apart from some other. Commentators and OCCASIONALLY i find myself

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in alignment with the left some things like the death
penalty and more on free, trade which it used to
be something we owned on the, right But i'm definitely
a free free trade, gal So i'm kind, of you,
Know i'm kind of an independent, thinker and if a
partisan thinking is your, jam that's fine by. Me it's
probably not what you're gonna get from, me. Though i've

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got friends on the right and friends on the. Left
and the idea of the idea of unfriending somebody BECAUSE
i disagree with them politically is just it's just. WEIRD
i just think it's it's. Weird it's not SOMETHING i relate.
To it's if you're the kind of person that likes

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to Shun i'd love to know. Why if you're a
shunner five six six nine, zero you, know you just
can't be around people you disagree with if you've been
a victim of. Shunning AND i don't necessarily use the word,
victim it's not, like not like it killed me to
see these people. Leave they were kind of irritating to begin.
With i've been shunned by five, people three clients and

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two so called friends former friends that decided that they
just absolutely could not handle being around me because they
didn't agree with me on, something and so they they
won't even say hi to. Me IF i see them in.
PASSING i GUESS i just you, know that would just

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violate something like just to say. Hi it's very, strange
AND i just think it's. WEIRD i think it's weird
Because i've got friends THAT i really really disagree. WITH
i think they're great, people they're. Nice we have other
stuff in. Common there's like ninety five thousand other topics
to talk. ABOUT i like, FOOD i like, DOGS i like.

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Horses if you like, food dogs or, horses or international,
travel that's four things right. THERE i actually if you,
said there's like well and, faith like, faith, food, horses, dogs.
Travel if you, Said, krista you could only talk about
five things from now, ON i could do. IT i

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could not talk about, politics even THOUGH i more, LIKE i,
MEAN i sort of do it for a. LIVING i
could be pretty content to hang just to talk about
those five things for you, know, forever BECAUSE i love
those five. Things so the idea that you have to
like only have people at the kitchen table you you agree,
with it's just. WEIRD i don't know if you got a.

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Thought five, six, six. Nine, OH i know we have
an early break on this end of this, hour so
we're gonna take a, break and we get, back we'll
mention another annoying, thing another annoying, movement which is Decolonizing,
thanksgiving which is very historically, DEAF i. Think and then
some other some cool things About, Thanksgiving Abe lincoln and

(01:17:18):
some stuff ON, fdr some other some other. Folks and
then some foods that we no longer. EAT i don't
eat much that used to be big Time thanksgiving. Foods
if you have a favorite, food it could text that
to me two five six six. Nine oh well that
we will take a quick. Break we'll be back at a.
Gyf this Is Christa kaefer sitting in For Mandy connell

(01:17:39):
listening to eight Fifty koa talking About. Thanksgiving and you,
KNOW i think it's a great. HOLIDAY i love, food
and it's it's pretty. Cool so it was not we
think about The pilgrims being like kind of the First,
thanksgiving you, know having a big feast Of thanksgiving is
something that human beings have done for, forever and One
thanksgiving that that it doesn't get a lot, of you,

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know it's kind of a historical footnote is before the
sixteen twenty One Pilgrims thanksgiving in fifteen sixty, five some
eight Hundred spaniards landed safely on the shores of what
is Now, florida and they were just so grateful to get.
There they celebrated a Massive thanksgiving and they ate they

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ate a meal with members of The temeequa people who live.
NEARBY i think that's pretty. Cool it's like kind of THE
i don't, know maybe that should be the First, thanksgiving
but The Pilgrim thanksgiving is also, awesome and that is
an autumn and we now have it in. Autumn the
sixteen twenty one meal with The wampanoag people who gave

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them critical aid when they needed, it and they together
it was like a three day feast sounds good to.
Me and the native people they brought with them their
the crops they, grew like squash and corn, beans and
they hunted for wild. Game they probably had fish and,
seafood which we don't usually have at Our thanksgiving. Meals

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and then they they had some things that the pilgrims
brought with, them probably like cabbages and. Turnups so those
were kind of the original foods for that. Day that
has certainly. Changed we now eat some other. Things BUT
i thought that was an interesting. Article it WAS i
think it was A Fox news piece THAT i saw
BEFORE i left the house to come, here and that,

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is here's a couple of things that aren't eaten anymore
that were big in the eighteen. Hundreds and that is oyster,
stuffing Which i've, had WHICH i have mixed feelings, about ambrosia,
salad WHICH i. LOVE i think it's. Delish mash, turnups
which is it's kind of like mashed, potatoes although turnups
come From. Europe potatoes were domesticated In peru made their way.

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North just kind of interesting corn. PUDDING i Mean i've
never had. That i've had giblet. GRAVY i think giblet gravy's.
Delish in, fact WHEN i got friends that give me
a duck or, GOOG i will usually make giblet gravy
there as. WELL i think it tastes. Good cranberry. Fluff
my mom used to make. It it still does For.

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CHRISTMAS i kind of cranberry fluff with it's got like
nuts and marshmallows and, cranberries really really. Tasty And i'm
partial to pumpkin pie and other people like apple pie
or pecan. PIE i don't know That i've ever met
a dessert THAT i didn't think was, Delicious so pretty
open on. That couple of other interesting historical, tidbits and

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that Is, washington when he was still a general gave
A thanksgiving. Proclamation it was in seventeen seventy. Seven then
when he was, president he did a presidential proclamation and
he spent the day he went to. Church then he
donated food and. Beer beer was like a big drink
back that still is a big. Drink but they used

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to make beer out of all kinds of, things not
just grain based beers like we have. Now they had pumpkin,
beer mad all kinds of. Beers but, anyway he donated
food and beer to the. Cities this would Be New York.
City they're imprisoned, debtors and you know it's. Generous SO
i HONESTLY i think we should be like What George
washington should inspire a kind of generosity in. Us then

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we Have James. Madison he also does A, thanksgiving but
it's in the. Spring the Next November thanksgiving would have
Been Abe lincoln during The Civil, war and he did
it as it had been in decades since anybody had done.
It did It to's got to be a way to
unify us around, something and then it became more, common

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and then something interesting happened during FDR's. Presidency we'll Get
we'll get to that when we get back from this.
Break this Is Christy. Kafer i'm sitting in For Mandy.
Connell we've been talking a little bit About. THANKSGIVING i
asked folks earlier if they had a favorite food or,
alternatively on the dark, side if they had been shunned

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by their family over politics five six six NINE. O
i am curious about this whole shunning. PHENOMENON i am
not a. SHUNNER i have been, shunned, however by a
couple Of. Republicans, ACTUALLY i know that other people have
been shunned by family members on the left and of most,
people you don't want to talk about. Politics we don't
have to talk about. Politics it's. Fine there's like a

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million other things to talk. About but some people can't
even be around people with whom they have a. Disagreement very.
Strange this person brings us up jiblet. Gravy it's the.
Best BUT i watch many people take the giblets. Out
why would you do? That why would you take them? Out?
ANYWAY i always make jiblet gravy WHEN i do goose her,

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duck because you, KNOW i think you just cook the whole,
animal just some. Respect so talking a little bit about
kind of firsts In thanksgiving, History lincoln kind of bring,
it brought it. Back during The Civil, war there's a
little bit of A thanksgiving hiatus Between madison And, lincoln

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and he kind of started the whole Last thursday Of
november with his. Proclamation it goes like that for a
while and THEN Fdr he's. Worried it's during The Great.
Depression he gets worried that Since thanksgiving is so late
in the, month kind of like it is this, year

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that it'll cut The christmas buying season. Short so he
actually Does thanksgiving in the middle of the month and,
says you, know we're going to do, this is when
we're going to do the. Holiday, well a bunch of states, said,
no thank. You they continue to do theirs on the
Last thursday of the, month and so you ended up
with Two thursdays that, month different. States we're Doing, thursdays Different,

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Thursdays thanksgiving celebrated at different. Times not the best. Situation
and Then congress, says, hey we'll fix. It and that's
when it officially becomes the Fourth thursday Of, november AND
i think it's horrific. HOLIDAY i guess there's a movement right,
now a movement on the left called No, contact where

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they've decided not to have contact with anyone who Sports.
TRUMP i know a personal, experience there are some people
on the right that don't want anyone any contact with
people who have Criticized. Trump there are people who on
the right who don't want to be around people on the,
left people on the left that don't want to be
around people on the. Right And i'm just, like, hey

(01:24:26):
can we just eat a meal together and hang? OUT i,
mean it seems to me that's What thanksgiving is. About
it's about people who are different hanging out. Together The,
pilgrims they were From, europe they were From. England they
celebrated the, first oh one of the First thanksgivings With Native,
americans people that had different religion than, them different, views different,

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foods different, practices and yet they all hang out for
three days and EIGHT i think that sounds kind of.
Sweet so as of, like you, know there's certain foods
that we don't eat. Anymore the First thanksgiving was mostly game, fish,
seafood interestingly, enough and, turnips, cabbages, beans, squash and probably.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
See.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Beans. Squash corn would have been with the with The
indians brought to the, table with the natives brought to the,
table we now eat some other. Things interesting interesting. ARTICLE
i saw foods that have kind of disappeared from the.
Menu back in the eighteen, hundreds people did oyster. Stuffing
i've had oyster. Stuffing it was. OKAY i like, oysters
BUT i don't, KNOW i don't need to eat them On.

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Thanksgiving ambrosia salad or frog's eye. Salad people like. That
i'm a big. Fan masked turnups used to be a
pretty common alternative to. POTATOES i PERSONALLY i like, turnups
just fine potatoes originally domesticated In, peru now a pretty pretty.

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Commonplace what's interesting is it tomatoes were domesticated In, mexico
along with turkey some other common, foods and we think
of it as An italian. Thing it's. Not it, was you,
know once you had That colombian, exchange some foods that
were From europe And asia came, here some foods from
here went. There then you get things like you, know

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The irish loved. Potatoes the spices that come from you,
know like hot, peppers for, example they come From, mexico
but they made their way into Like indian food And pakistani,
Food malaysian, food which we think of. Odd it's so so. Spicy,
well that hot spice comes from this part of the.
World so kind of, cool, huh kind of. Cool this person,

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says you got to be kidding. Me it's people on the.
Left they can't be around people on the. Right believe
it or. Not there are people on the right who
are just as. Intolerant you, See intolerance is not a
it's not a left, thing it's not a right. Thing
it's not a white, thing it's not a black. Thing
it's actually a human. Thing and What i've come to
See i've been shunned by like five, people two people

(01:27:05):
who WERE i thought were my friends that obviously, weren't
and three acquaintances and they stopped speaking to me over.
Politics they were actually all on the. Right believe it or.
Not the only death Threats i've ever gotten were from
people on the. Right so there are losers on both.
Sides whether it's people who cut each other out of
their lives and unfriend them because they don't agree with,

(01:27:26):
them or it's uh because, people you, know they want
to be, bullies and it's left and, right and you,
KNOW i think it's better just to have quality people around.
Me AND i don't. CARE i don't care if you
you voted For. TRUMP i don't care if you voted For.
Harris you're a nice. Person you are always welcome at my.

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Table this person, says leftover's turkey stuffing in gravy in
between a dinner. Roll that is like the Post thanksgiving choice,
Food like That's friday, food, Right and my, mom my
mom now lives In South, carolina but my mom makes
the best. Stuffing SO i think the stuffing should be

(01:28:07):
made in the cavity of the of the, turkey not
on the. Side it's got to get that, turkey you,
know the fat from the bird needs to end up
in the. Stuffing and anybody who's using like you meet
people who are, like, WELL i just subbed out this
delicious thing for, This like they used margarine instead of.
Butter that's that's almost grounds for. Unfriending. Almost i'm not

(01:28:33):
SAYING i, would but, Margarine now you gotta have. Butter it's,
like you, know people are, like, OH i subbed out
the sugar with apple. Sauce i'm, like, Ugh or you
know what we're doing diet. Eggnog WELL i. CAN'T i
can't do. That i'd be like bringing a flask of
my own eggnog and drinking that BECAUSE i diet. Eggnog.

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Margarine even lean MEAT i think is. Suspect and somebody's, like,
oh these beautiful lean, steaks and, like can we bacon with?
Bacon can we Fix we got to fix that because
everybody knows that a rabbi is the is the choice,
meet not the lean. Stuff the lean stuff is like
what you use in other stuff you, need you need

(01:29:19):
a little. Fat all. RIGHT i will not do a cooking,
SHOW i. Promise So i'm talking about not only the
goods Of, thanksgiving which is obviously the, food the cool,
history the idea of different people coming together around the same.
Table there is whether it's the no contact, people the
people who are, like, OH i can't possibly be around
someone who voted differently than. Me those people and then

(01:29:41):
we have the Decolonize thanksgiving. Folks AND i read an
interesting article about. This it's not, shocking it is uh
at the two the three universities That Fox news calls
out are M i t just an awesome University washington
you and you, Know diversity Of, california and the last

(01:30:03):
one's not too. Shocking want to tack in the whole university,
here but certain, professors certain classes are trying to indoctrinate
their students with this idea of Decolonizing. Thanksgiving The thanksgiving
should really just be a day of a day of.
Mourning and you, KNOW i get if you're you, know
you're with older. Students let's say you become a teacher
and you've got high school. Students if you've got you,

(01:30:25):
know you want to teach some kind of historical. CONTEXT
i think that's. Fine if you're with young, students they
should be putting their hand in, paint you, know and
then making a handprint and then making that into a.
TURKEY i keep it, simple keep it. Fun but if
you want to give, context that's fine to older, students
but don't make it a miserable. Day it was a beautiful.

(01:30:47):
Day it was people of The Native american. Tribe the
the tribe of people was the Wamp in wamp and
o egg. People it was they had had critically helped
The pilgrims out during their first rough. Year they and
the pilgrims From england sat down together at a, table

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ate together for three. Days it was a big. Feast
and that's a beautiful. Thing and the thing about cultural,
exchange you, know there's good cultural, exchange there's bad culture.
Exchange war is a bad. THING i hate. War and
there was warfare going on on this, continent and then
there was warfare going on In europe when The europeans
came over. Here there was warfare between those that came

(01:31:31):
and those that were. Here it's a human. Thing it's
not an exclusive thing to one group or. Another human
beings like to take the stuff of other human beings their,
land their, women their food or. Whatever but that's not
the only cultural. Exchange the cultural exchange between the people

(01:31:52):
who were here and the people who came here also
resulted in the, beautiful delicious foods we, have which are
a mix of both artistic. Exchange people. Intermarried were All americans,
today at, least you know in this, country whether you
were Of indian Or Native american, stock or Of european,

(01:32:13):
stock Or asian stock Or african, stock or all human,
beings all human. Beings we're all here, together we should eat.
Together and that cultural exchange is frankly WHY i THINK
i ABSOLUTELY i Love. Mexico actually was one of my favorite.
Places AND i remember WHEN i went To spain for
the first, TIME i expected the same kind of. Awesomeness

(01:32:33):
spain was, okay you, know it was. Okay But. Mexico
the REASON i Like mexico better very rich exchange of.
Culture you have the native, cultures The spanish, culture Some
African american people brought into. Slaves all of that culture
mixed together to cruise something new and vibrant and, awesome
AND i love. IT i think it's really really. Fun

(01:32:55):
so if you, Say, CHRISTA i got two plane, TICKETS
i could take it To mexico or you could take
it To. Spain i'm going With. MEXICO i just think
it's MORE i think ANY i think all of these
quote Unquote New world places From, America canada all the
way down to the tip Of South america some really
interesting places because of that. Exchange so if you go

(01:33:15):
to a college course and all they want to do
is talk about the negative. Stuff And i'm not saying
we shouldn't disease wiped out like fifty to ninety five
percent of the people that lived here because they didn't
have the immunity That europeans had for measles and typhus
and small. Smallpox and then there was, war and it

(01:33:36):
was disproportionately by The europeans wanting the land of the
people who had that already lived. Here and you, know
you could point out the fact that tribes fought among
tribes before, that And europeans fought Among europeans before. That
the human beings have been fighting human beings for as
long as we can. GO i think it's important to acknowledge.

(01:33:58):
That BUT i also think it's import AND i acknowledge
that war, sucks, frankly and people, died and they died,
painfully AND i wish that hadn't. Happened but we don't
need to cloud a beautiful holiday Like thanksgiving and act
like it's a quote unquote day of, mourning which is
what the Decolonize thanksgiving people want to. Do they want

(01:34:22):
to point out the, bad and it's, fine they don't
want to point out the. Good and there was a
lot of good that came of, it a lot of.
Good this person, SAYS i wish the government could halping
so elementary and just do their. Jobs what happened to
the old days when they could get a scotch after
a strong. DEBATE i. AGREE i think people need to

(01:34:45):
stop being nasty and start being a little. Nicer i'll
eat or i'll. Drink if it's good, Scotch i'll drink
that with. Anybody my preference is for an old, fashioned
like it's a really quality. Drink BUT i guess you
KNOW i can. DO i can do. Scotch it's good.
SCOTCH i could do it. Neat it's, Fine And i'll
sit down with. ANYBODY i don't care if you're on

(01:35:05):
the hard left or the hard. Right if you are
a nice, person it's all. Good talk about other, stuff it's.
Fine if you need to tell me your, views that's fine.
Too just be, nice. Right i'm interested in hearing what
people have to. SAY i go out of my way to,
read you, know stuff on the, right stuff on the,
left STUFF i don't agree. With and every DAY i

(01:35:25):
read The Wall Street journal in The Denver, post AND
i go To foxnews dot com And Sean in dot,
com AND i Read The, atlantic AND I i listen
TO npr AND i listen to right wing radio AND
i just take it all in and figure out WHAT i,
want WHAT i, THINK i want to hear. It so
people want to tell me something that they, think even
IF i don't agree with, it say it. Nice i'm all.

(01:35:47):
Ears this person, says we are divided half, liberal half,
conservative and we have so much joy and laughter when we're.
Together we don't. Talk you don't talk, politics Do there's
just so much more to chat. ABOUT i could not agree.
More there is just so much more to chat. About in,
FACT i would say, this if you, Said, christa you

(01:36:07):
could only talk about five things, dogs, horses, food travel
and music or or you, know or, faith, gardening, books
history and. Science, yeah that's ten. Topics but if you

(01:36:32):
gave me five of each of, those and so that's.
It so that's. That those are your topics for the
next six, months in, person on the, radio. WHATEVER i
could do it BECAUSE i like talking about. STUFF i
don't need to talk about. Politics in, FACT i don't
actually talk about politics most of the time BECAUSE i
do it for a. Living in, fact if somebody tries
to bat, me if you know, me or you've tried

(01:36:55):
to beat, me you Know i'm not. Baitable and, secondly
if SOMEBODY'S i absolutely insists on, Debating i'm happy to
discuss whatever you want to, Discuss but if you want
to debate, me you have to pay. Me AND i
tell people THAT i do politics for a. Living if
you want to debate, me discuss is. Fine tell me

(01:37:15):
what you. Saying you're interested in WHAT i have to.
Think you want an exchange of, ideas that's, awesome but
you want to go into debate, mode that's something quite.
Different and you got to pay. Me and if you pay,
Me i'll do, it and i'll do it. Well you'll
see a competitive side of me THAT i don't often
show Because i'm really not that competitive. Generally you, know

(01:37:35):
we're playing. Cards i'm as happy to win as. LOSE i,
mean unless there's money on the. Table but when it
comes to professional, debates If i'm sitting down to a,
Debate i'm there to win AND i probably will. Win
i'm sort of nine tenths, actually probably ninety nine percent non.
Competitive but WHEN i, Debate i'm quite, competitive AND i

(01:37:55):
don't do it for. FREE i prep for. IT i
go in AND i go in to. Win so whenever
somebody tries to bait me into. Debate i'm always, like,
hey puff up the cash, man that's what you want to,
do we can do. That so great. SHOW i really
appreciate all the folks that have texted, in a lot
of nice, folks just happy to, say, hey you, know

(01:38:16):
it's been a while since you've been. On great to
have you, Back great to be. BACK i Think august
was WHEN i was here. Last probably we'll sub For
mandy again Around. Christmas always happy to help out a.
Friend AND i will say this About. MANDY i Know
mandy's a personal. Friend she is as. Nice she's exactly
who she is in real, life, funny smart and nice

(01:38:37):
like those are. As she's, tall she, said she sounds
tall in the. Air she is, tall but she's also really,
nice really, funny and really. Smart and SO i don't
know what a voice. Conveys and that's not like guy
should be doing smooth jazz and welcome back to smooth.
Jazz this Is Christa. Kaefer but, YEAH i guess that's

(01:38:58):
WHAT i. COULD i could ALSO i could do a
few accents as. Well it could probably Do RUSSIAN. Tv
IF i need to Do russian, RADIO i could probably
make that. HAPPEN i could also DO. NPR i could
also DO Bbc Radio welcome back TO. Bbc so you,
KNOW i got. OPTIONS i don't have to do. THIS
i you, KNOW i could do other things as. Well

(01:39:21):
so check me. Out i'm At chris Dea kaefer On,
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Ninezero some person says can't do mag Of, family the
ones who literally Worshiped. Trump you, KNOW i know it's

(01:39:43):
tough to be around people who are really amped up
about a particular president or a particular. Candidate if they're
nasty about. It if they're, NASTY i, mean if you're just,
nasty you're not a. Welcome but if you're really amped
about a, CANDIDATE i don't mind hearing your reasons. Out
if you really Love, trump or you really Love, harris
or you really love, anybody that's. Fine you can tell

(01:40:06):
me about. THAT i think that's. Fine if if you
want to dominate the, conversation get all red faced and
like grip the countertop and or grip the table or you,
know stab something with your fork or stab someone with the, Fork, like, no,
NO i can't do. That so, YEAH i. DON'T i don't.

(01:40:28):
Care if you're really Into trump or really Into obama,
whoever that's fine and we can even talk about. It
but like this, PERSON i can't do people who are
like crazy about it if they're going to be, rude
because it kind of takes the fun out of the.
Meal to be perfectly, Honest let's see this person says

(01:40:49):
there are more on the left that are intolerant of different.
Opinions how many lefty guides do we? Hear this is
someone who's text in do we read or hear about
every day explaining how to talk with your conservative. Uncle,
no that's a good, point remember Talking remember the talking
Points obama And biden release to talk to conservative family
members talk about eye. Rolling, yeah you're. Right that was

(01:41:13):
pretty cheesy of them and pretty pretty. Irritating there are you,
know there ARE i would, say irritating people on both.
Sides AND i guess that people just don't know how
to read the. Room like if everyone's laughing and having
a good time talking about whatever and suddenly you're stabbing
something with a, fork and screaming about your favorite candidate not.
COOL i don't care if you're on the right or the,

(01:41:35):
left that's just. Weird but if you're willing, to, like you,
know hang, up hang out and talk about. Whatever this
person says that dressing is the better, word not. Stuffing oh, yeah,
OKAY i cang go either way and go either. Way, well,
hey we're, hitting we're hitting the end of the. HOUR
i want to say thank you To grant for making
it happen behind the. GLASS i want to say to

(01:41:57):
thank you everyone for hanging out with the substitute. Host,
no it's not easy to not Have mandy on because she's.
Terrific AND i hope you have an absolutely Wonderful, Thanksgiving
and thanks for tuning in here to eight point fifty.
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