December 2, 2025 • 19 mins
OUR FUTURIST THOMAS FREY TALKS THE DESTRUCTION OF SYSTEMS This article is quite alarming when you begin to realize that the systems you and I grew up with are trashed. Here he writes about the Great Systems Collapse, but it's not all gloom and doom. There is room for great improvement with today's technology. He also writes about the future of repopulation the world using robots and other such science fiction, but I have concerns about that. Read it here. He joins me at 1 to talk about it. Find out more about Thomas here.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our only futurist, I might add, but he is the best.
He is Thomas Frye. And every month Thomas comes in
here and he gives us this bright and shiny and
rosy version of the future where robots are going to
do all of our work and they're going to clean
our houses and toilets and it's going to be amazing.
And then today I open up the column that Thomas
has sent me to talk about for the show today,
(00:22):
and it says.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The great systems collapse. What we're passing to our kids.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
This is the most pessimistic future article you have ever written, Thomas,
but it's completely accurate. So let's talk about systems collapse.
What does that even mean.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, if you start going into systems thinking, you look
at the world in light of the systems that are
surrounding us, everything from our healthcare system, to our education system,
to the social security to our prison system, to insurance,
just everything that we have surrounding us. All of these
(01:02):
systems were designed for a different era. Now we're shifting
gears here, and these systems are designed to help people
that are in the older age groups. So the systems
collapse will actually be engineered by the gen Z people
(01:22):
that are in the thirteen to twenty eight year old
category right now, but they're going to be growing up
and they're going to want to make things work for them.
They're currently being left out of virtually everything.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
As the system start to teeter on the edge here,
the gen Z.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
People will be pushing hard to make sure there's a
new system in place on the backside that favors them,
or at least as an even system rather than the
ones that are kind of blatantly.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Working against them right now.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You mentioned them specifically, and you mentioned the college education racket,
and that's what it's become. I mean, let's be real,
back when I, even when I went to college in
the late eighties and the early nineties, you could go
through four years of college and not rack up thirty
fifty one hundred thousand dollars in debt. The cost, the
ROI on a college education has collapsed because the marketplace
(02:27):
has changed and it's simply not worth it to spend
one hundred thousand dollars to prove to an employer that
you can complete a task.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And that's kind of what college has become.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, the half life of Valide, the half life of
value of a college education is getting shorter every year,
So the value of that education is now much shorter
than the time it takes to pay for it. And
that's a tragedy right there. So we're going to have
(03:02):
alternative systems coming into play. As an example, I work
as an advisor for our company.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Called Cogniate, and Cogniate is.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Developing a rapid course for a builder where you can
actually build an entire course in less than an hour,
something that would take hundreds of hours in the past
to create. Now, with the help of AI, you can
actually turn out a brand new course really quickly. And
(03:33):
so we're going to have alternative education systems cropping up
all over the place, and that's going to challenge our
way of thinking.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
This has been something that I've been advocating for for
twenty years on my show I don't understand well, I
do understand right, and to your point about the current
systems being created to benefit the last generation, I understand
why the university and college systems have not been more
responsive to the changes that are happening in society.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Like if I've got a kid that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Excels in computer technology or has a knack for mathematics
and engineering, and they don't have any interest in classical
humanities or even taking an English course, which I think.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Would be a mistake.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
They should be allowed to take those highly specialized courses
if they can do the coursework. And yet universities and
colleges still demand that you have a more liberal arts
education because they believe that that's what's necessary in society.
And for a long time it probably was, but that
ship is kind of sailed at this point. Like you
(04:37):
don't hear people talking about the fact that you need
to read the Iliad, or you need to read Shakespeare,
or you need to take some sociology class that is
going to be full of claptrap that you're never going.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
To retain or need.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Why haven't the university systems in colleges adapted and said,
you know what, maybe we shouldn't be charging one hundred
thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars for for year education.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, well, things that are still working to a point
and then all of a sudden it'll collapse on them
and they won't won't be able to adjust quickly enough.
This is turning a battleship, and you can't turn the
battleship quickly. Yeah, this is just one perfect example that's
really in the public public view. The government has actually
(05:25):
reinforced this whole system with the loan system that they
have in place, providing these government loans that you can't
bankrupt on, and that has made it real easy for
colleges to actually recruit new students because all.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You have to do is sign here and all your
dreams will come true.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's the line that they're using, and nothing could be
further from the truth. So it becomes an asymmetrical economics
situation because they know much more about the transaction and
the other person does than the eighteen nineteen year old
kid does on the other end, and so have you
(06:07):
have no clue as to how difficult it will be
to repay that loana you're taking out.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So it's it's still working to a point.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But then all of a sudden, this is just going
to collapse, and it'll happen within the next couple of
years here very soon.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, Thomas, when I saw the headline on this column,
if you know anything about the fall of the Roman
Empire or fall of empires around the world, because empires
have fallen, you know, throughout our entire history. One of
the main signs of collapse is the loss of faith
in the systems right and the collapse of the systems
(06:47):
that make our entire country run. So are we looking
at that kind of collapse? And if so, is the
next generation going to be able to build something out
of the ashes that is going to be more effective?
More efficient? To your point about education, I mean, is
that what comes next? I'd like to think so. I'd
(07:08):
like to think that ingenuity and technology will help us
bridge the gap to whatever's coming next.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, I think possibly what will happen is we're going
to create parallel systems that the new system starts taking
off before the old system collapses.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Okay, that's kind of what it looks like to me.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So one of the main occupations moving forward in the
twenty thirties and twenty.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Forties is going to be entrepreneur.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So we're going to be teaching people entrepreneurship and lots
of different ways.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, unique in different ways.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Running a stable of AI agents from your desktop in
your bedrooms, that's going to be a lot of people's
career choice. And that's that actually gets you away from
the W two payroll system. So so you're not paying
taxes the way you normally would.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So the whole tax system is going to be.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Really struggling to deal with all of these changes. So
there's a lot of talk right now about doing away
with the income tax system.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think it can't happen quick enough.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I'd love to get rid of the income tax system.
I hate anything that tax is something productive, right, I
just do. And I think our tax system is created
and utilized by politicians to dole out favors to favored
industries that support them in such a way that prevents
(08:46):
other competitors from getting into those industries. The tax code
is used as a political tool at this poet point.
It's not a productive tool, and it's stupid the way
it's written. So let's do that first, Thomas, You and
I we're going to get rid of the income tax
system first.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
If we could wave our hands and do that, I
will absolutely do it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Right now, what do you think is the most likely
system to go belly up first? Out of the major
systems that you list here, you list healthcare, you list education,
you list the income tax system, the prison system, which
I find fascinating.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, well it looks like healthcare is going to
go through some major challenges right here real quick.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
So the insurance companies have far too much say in
what's going on. That's one that needs to be adjusted
real quick.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
In fact, the amount of money we paid just for
insurance is just staggering.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
It's absurd, it's absurd, it's reached absurd levels.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And then the amount of coverage there provide, it's just ridiculous.
It's virtually nothing. So if you if you go to
a pharmacy and you will want this medicine the doctor
prescribed this, and say you want to buy it for
a cash price, they'll give it to you for less
than the copay price that you with your insurance. And
(10:22):
so there's lots of examples like that of reasons why
that system is going to go down quickly. But the
education system is going to be facing huge challenges real soon.
The prison system will be perhaps a little bit longer,
(10:43):
and that the robots have to be trained. If you,
if you imagine a prisoner rather than having an ankle brace,
that they have a robot with them the whole time,
and the robot is is uh actually guiding them, telling
him what they can do and can't do. That's a
(11:04):
very specialized kind of robot. So the robot replaces the
ankle bracelet.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I don't know how well that'll work, but we're going
to see that fairly soon.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So some of the things are kind of exciting, but
I do have concerns that what we've been doing so far.
I mean, I just had this conversation with my son
because when I was young, my dad drilled into me,
don't ever quit a job before you have another one,
and you got to stay at the job for two
years to prove to everyone that you're responsible, that you
can hold a job. Now, young people, my son's age,
(11:40):
he's in his early thirties. He changed jobs three times
last year because he kept getting hut hunted by another company.
He kept getting poached by a different company. And I,
you know, my husband and I are talking about it's
like this to me is crazy. But in those three
job changes, he doubled his salary. So who am I
(12:04):
to say, have you got to stay at your job
for two years. It's just like things like that are
so fundamentally different from this generation to our generation.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
That's absolutely true.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
My oldest son has just accepted a new job, and
he was switching jobs almost every year and just kind
of working his way up in the face scale.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Now he's got a really really good job.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
He's going to be starting next year with Sonny Activision,
and that I'm really looking forward to hearing all of
the things he's started working on now. But yeah, virtually
every system we see, our postal system is on a
(12:51):
virgic collapse or so that's that's one that probably should
have gone downhill a long time ago. But if we're
going to be seeing this new zip line drone system
that is delivering goods from Walmart to people's houses, and
(13:14):
it's working with a lot of different companies, not just Walmart,
but having something delivered directly from your from the factory
to your home within I don't know, forty five minutes.
You order something and you have it in forty five minutes,
that's pretty darn good's that's a whole new kind of
delivery system that we haven't really opened the door on yet.
(13:38):
I don't know where how it works with people living
in apartments or kind of buildings, but.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
We'll figure that out as we go.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
We shall see.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But I want to get to the second article that
you sent me before we start going, because there's a
few things happening, and this article is called the Vitalist
How the gen Z women decided to populate the universe.
And this is kind of a fantasy situation, but you
start out by saying that Ashley was twenty six, unmarried
(14:07):
and had no intention of ever getting married, but had
four children that were primarily being raised by AI powered
robotic caregivers in communal housing complex specifically designed for people
that are essentially repopulating the earth. Thomas, I hate this
idea so much, so much, because that's the gene pool.
(14:29):
We get people without motivation, people without you know, all
of those things. And I'm not sold on robots raising
children yet, I really am not.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, well that's I write a lot of these things
to be controversial, so they're designed to challenge assumptions.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Is there a group of women that likely to do
something like this? I think possibly, And.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I think having children is actually a woman's superpower. I agree,
our ability to have kids, raised kids and having the
help of a robot to actually make it so it's easier.
That takes a lot of the mess out of it,
(15:20):
and it takes a lot of the expense out of
it as well. So some governments, I'm inclined to think
that some governments are going to push this idea because
every every person that's a citizen of that country is
is going to be have a certain value to that country.
(15:42):
So they will then create colonies of these type of
women that can actually regenerate the population of of some
of the low birth rate countries.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I mean, this kind of sounds like like a factory farm,
and it kind of sounds like, you know, a puppy mill,
for lack of a better way to put it. And
I think that the for me, we've already seen what
happens to kids whose parents have abdocated their parenting responsibilities
to a tablet or a cell phone, and they're not
(16:16):
doing well. Thomas, So I shudder to think, who is
going to program the robot caregivers? You know, Are they
going to be programmed to recite Shakespearean's sonnets to these
children when they're very little, to read them stories every
three to four hours, to provide a stimulating environment. Maybe
they'd be better parents. Maybe I'm just looking at this
all wrong, because if you could program the perfect parent,
(16:38):
you know that sounds great, But I still believe that
there's an incredibly powerful connection between mother and child, and
that kids do best when that connection is established, maintained
and sort of nurtured, not just when the kid's little
bit throughout life, and I wonder how that robot nanny,
(16:58):
for lack of a better way to put it, is
going to sever that relationship. Those are the things I'm
concerned about, and.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
You're you're very justified at having those concerns. Yeah, there's
all kinds of things that can go wrong. Is there
a way that this could actually work? Could they actually
set it up with a group of parents actually working
together to help raise these kids, where the grandmothers come
(17:28):
in and help out, so the robots play a lesser
role than than the dominant role that I that I
talked about. There might be some some way that this
will actually work. I know that people are going to
start trying things like this. Oh yeah, because right around
the corner, well.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
They've already they've successfully grown a lamb in an artificial embryo,
like basically on a table, they grew a lamb from
a fertilized egg, and they grew into a full grown
ram and then they just I guess unzip the bag.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
That kind of stuff really bothers me because there's more
and more research coming out now. When I was talking
to Thomas about this before he came on the air,
there's a researcher who studies breast milk, and what she
has found is that depending on what the child is
going through, if the child is sick, the mother's body
will actually produce antibodies for whatever that child is dealing
(18:26):
with because they're finding out that the saliva of the
baby actually informs the woman's body on what kind of
breast milk that baby needs at that moment. It's things
like that, like, we just don't know enough of that stuff,
Thomas for me to be comfortable with robots raising my babies.
You got to read both of the articles, by the way,
they're fantastic.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
They're on the blog today. Thomas.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
A joy of seeing you again as usual, and gave
me a lot of stuff to think about. Some of
it freaked me out, but it's okay. I'll survive.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, that's my goal.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, thanks Thomas.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
All right, Thomas Frye, thanks so much, buddy.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I'll see you soon.
Our only futurist, I might add, but he is the best.
He is Thomas Frye. And every month Thomas comes in
here and he gives us this bright and shiny and
rosy version of the future where robots are going to
do all of our work and they're going to clean
our houses and toilets and it's going to be amazing.
And then today I open up the column that Thomas
has sent me to talk about for the show today,
(00:22):
and it says.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The great systems collapse. What we're passing to our kids.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
This is the most pessimistic future article you have ever written, Thomas,
but it's completely accurate. So let's talk about systems collapse.
What does that even mean.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, if you start going into systems thinking, you look
at the world in light of the systems that are
surrounding us, everything from our healthcare system, to our education system,
to the social security to our prison system, to insurance,
just everything that we have surrounding us. All of these
(01:02):
systems were designed for a different era. Now we're shifting
gears here, and these systems are designed to help people
that are in the older age groups. So the systems
collapse will actually be engineered by the gen Z people
(01:22):
that are in the thirteen to twenty eight year old
category right now, but they're going to be growing up
and they're going to want to make things work for them.
They're currently being left out of virtually everything.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
As the system start to teeter on the edge here,
the gen Z.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
People will be pushing hard to make sure there's a
new system in place on the backside that favors them,
or at least as an even system rather than the
ones that are kind of blatantly.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Working against them right now.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You mentioned them specifically, and you mentioned the college education racket,
and that's what it's become. I mean, let's be real,
back when I, even when I went to college in
the late eighties and the early nineties, you could go
through four years of college and not rack up thirty
fifty one hundred thousand dollars in debt. The cost, the
ROI on a college education has collapsed because the marketplace
(02:27):
has changed and it's simply not worth it to spend
one hundred thousand dollars to prove to an employer that
you can complete a task.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And that's kind of what college has become.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, the half life of Valide, the half life of
value of a college education is getting shorter every year,
So the value of that education is now much shorter
than the time it takes to pay for it. And
that's a tragedy right there. So we're going to have
(03:02):
alternative systems coming into play. As an example, I work
as an advisor for our company.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Called Cogniate, and Cogniate is.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Developing a rapid course for a builder where you can
actually build an entire course in less than an hour,
something that would take hundreds of hours in the past
to create. Now, with the help of AI, you can
actually turn out a brand new course really quickly. And
(03:33):
so we're going to have alternative education systems cropping up
all over the place, and that's going to challenge our
way of thinking.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
This has been something that I've been advocating for for
twenty years on my show I don't understand well, I
do understand right, and to your point about the current
systems being created to benefit the last generation, I understand
why the university and college systems have not been more
responsive to the changes that are happening in society.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Like if I've got a kid that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Excels in computer technology or has a knack for mathematics
and engineering, and they don't have any interest in classical
humanities or even taking an English course, which I think.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Would be a mistake.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
They should be allowed to take those highly specialized courses
if they can do the coursework. And yet universities and
colleges still demand that you have a more liberal arts
education because they believe that that's what's necessary in society.
And for a long time it probably was, but that
ship is kind of sailed at this point. Like you
(04:37):
don't hear people talking about the fact that you need
to read the Iliad, or you need to read Shakespeare,
or you need to take some sociology class that is
going to be full of claptrap that you're never going.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
To retain or need.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Why haven't the university systems in colleges adapted and said,
you know what, maybe we shouldn't be charging one hundred
thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars for for year education.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, well, things that are still working to a point
and then all of a sudden it'll collapse on them
and they won't won't be able to adjust quickly enough.
This is turning a battleship, and you can't turn the
battleship quickly. Yeah, this is just one perfect example that's
really in the public public view. The government has actually
(05:25):
reinforced this whole system with the loan system that they
have in place, providing these government loans that you can't
bankrupt on, and that has made it real easy for
colleges to actually recruit new students because all.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You have to do is sign here and all your
dreams will come true.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's the line that they're using, and nothing could be
further from the truth. So it becomes an asymmetrical economics
situation because they know much more about the transaction and
the other person does than the eighteen nineteen year old
kid does on the other end, and so have you
(06:07):
have no clue as to how difficult it will be
to repay that loana you're taking out.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
So it's it's still working to a point.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But then all of a sudden, this is just going
to collapse, and it'll happen within the next couple of
years here very soon.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, Thomas, when I saw the headline on this column,
if you know anything about the fall of the Roman
Empire or fall of empires around the world, because empires
have fallen, you know, throughout our entire history. One of
the main signs of collapse is the loss of faith
in the systems right and the collapse of the systems
(06:47):
that make our entire country run. So are we looking
at that kind of collapse? And if so, is the
next generation going to be able to build something out
of the ashes that is going to be more effective?
More efficient? To your point about education, I mean, is
that what comes next? I'd like to think so. I'd
(07:08):
like to think that ingenuity and technology will help us
bridge the gap to whatever's coming next.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, I think possibly what will happen is we're going
to create parallel systems that the new system starts taking
off before the old system collapses.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Okay, that's kind of what it looks like to me.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So one of the main occupations moving forward in the
twenty thirties and twenty.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Forties is going to be entrepreneur.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So we're going to be teaching people entrepreneurship and lots
of different ways.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, unique in different ways.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Running a stable of AI agents from your desktop in
your bedrooms, that's going to be a lot of people's
career choice. And that's that actually gets you away from
the W two payroll system. So so you're not paying
taxes the way you normally would.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So the whole tax system is going to be.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Really struggling to deal with all of these changes. So
there's a lot of talk right now about doing away
with the income tax system.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think it can't happen quick enough.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I'd love to get rid of the income tax system.
I hate anything that tax is something productive, right, I
just do. And I think our tax system is created
and utilized by politicians to dole out favors to favored
industries that support them in such a way that prevents
(08:46):
other competitors from getting into those industries. The tax code
is used as a political tool at this poet point.
It's not a productive tool, and it's stupid the way
it's written. So let's do that first, Thomas, You and
I we're going to get rid of the income tax
system first.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
If we could wave our hands and do that, I
will absolutely do it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Right now, what do you think is the most likely
system to go belly up first? Out of the major
systems that you list here, you list healthcare, you list education,
you list the income tax system, the prison system, which
I find fascinating.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, well it looks like healthcare is going to
go through some major challenges right here real quick.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
So the insurance companies have far too much say in
what's going on. That's one that needs to be adjusted
real quick.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
In fact, the amount of money we paid just for
insurance is just staggering.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
It's absurd, it's absurd, it's reached absurd levels.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And then the amount of coverage there provide, it's just ridiculous.
It's virtually nothing. So if you if you go to
a pharmacy and you will want this medicine the doctor
prescribed this, and say you want to buy it for
a cash price, they'll give it to you for less
than the copay price that you with your insurance. And
(10:22):
so there's lots of examples like that of reasons why
that system is going to go down quickly. But the
education system is going to be facing huge challenges real soon.
The prison system will be perhaps a little bit longer,
(10:43):
and that the robots have to be trained. If you,
if you imagine a prisoner rather than having an ankle brace,
that they have a robot with them the whole time,
and the robot is is uh actually guiding them, telling
him what they can do and can't do. That's a
(11:04):
very specialized kind of robot. So the robot replaces the
ankle bracelet.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I don't know how well that'll work, but we're going
to see that fairly soon.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So some of the things are kind of exciting, but
I do have concerns that what we've been doing so far.
I mean, I just had this conversation with my son
because when I was young, my dad drilled into me,
don't ever quit a job before you have another one,
and you got to stay at the job for two
years to prove to everyone that you're responsible, that you
can hold a job. Now, young people, my son's age,
(11:40):
he's in his early thirties. He changed jobs three times
last year because he kept getting hut hunted by another company.
He kept getting poached by a different company. And I,
you know, my husband and I are talking about it's
like this to me is crazy. But in those three
job changes, he doubled his salary. So who am I
(12:04):
to say, have you got to stay at your job
for two years. It's just like things like that are
so fundamentally different from this generation to our generation.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
That's absolutely true.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
My oldest son has just accepted a new job, and
he was switching jobs almost every year and just kind
of working his way up in the face scale.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Now he's got a really really good job.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
He's going to be starting next year with Sonny Activision,
and that I'm really looking forward to hearing all of
the things he's started working on now. But yeah, virtually
every system we see, our postal system is on a
(12:51):
virgic collapse or so that's that's one that probably should
have gone downhill a long time ago. But if we're
going to be seeing this new zip line drone system
that is delivering goods from Walmart to people's houses, and
(13:14):
it's working with a lot of different companies, not just Walmart,
but having something delivered directly from your from the factory
to your home within I don't know, forty five minutes.
You order something and you have it in forty five minutes,
that's pretty darn good's that's a whole new kind of
delivery system that we haven't really opened the door on yet.
(13:38):
I don't know where how it works with people living
in apartments or kind of buildings, but.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
We'll figure that out as we go.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
We shall see.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But I want to get to the second article that
you sent me before we start going, because there's a
few things happening, and this article is called the Vitalist
How the gen Z women decided to populate the universe.
And this is kind of a fantasy situation, but you
start out by saying that Ashley was twenty six, unmarried
(14:07):
and had no intention of ever getting married, but had
four children that were primarily being raised by AI powered
robotic caregivers in communal housing complex specifically designed for people
that are essentially repopulating the earth. Thomas, I hate this
idea so much, so much, because that's the gene pool.
(14:29):
We get people without motivation, people without you know, all
of those things. And I'm not sold on robots raising
children yet, I really am not.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, well that's I write a lot of these things
to be controversial, so they're designed to challenge assumptions.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Is there a group of women that likely to do
something like this? I think possibly, And.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I think having children is actually a woman's superpower. I agree,
our ability to have kids, raised kids and having the
help of a robot to actually make it so it's easier.
That takes a lot of the mess out of it,
(15:20):
and it takes a lot of the expense out of
it as well. So some governments, I'm inclined to think
that some governments are going to push this idea because
every every person that's a citizen of that country is
is going to be have a certain value to that country.
(15:42):
So they will then create colonies of these type of
women that can actually regenerate the population of of some
of the low birth rate countries.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I mean, this kind of sounds like like a factory farm,
and it kind of sounds like, you know, a puppy mill,
for lack of a better way to put it. And
I think that the for me, we've already seen what
happens to kids whose parents have abdocated their parenting responsibilities
to a tablet or a cell phone, and they're not
(16:16):
doing well. Thomas, So I shudder to think, who is
going to program the robot caregivers? You know, Are they
going to be programmed to recite Shakespearean's sonnets to these
children when they're very little, to read them stories every
three to four hours, to provide a stimulating environment. Maybe
they'd be better parents. Maybe I'm just looking at this
all wrong, because if you could program the perfect parent,
(16:38):
you know that sounds great, But I still believe that
there's an incredibly powerful connection between mother and child, and
that kids do best when that connection is established, maintained
and sort of nurtured, not just when the kid's little
bit throughout life, and I wonder how that robot nanny,
(16:58):
for lack of a better way to put it, is
going to sever that relationship. Those are the things I'm
concerned about, and.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
You're you're very justified at having those concerns. Yeah, there's
all kinds of things that can go wrong. Is there
a way that this could actually work? Could they actually
set it up with a group of parents actually working
together to help raise these kids, where the grandmothers come
(17:28):
in and help out, so the robots play a lesser
role than than the dominant role that I that I
talked about. There might be some some way that this
will actually work. I know that people are going to
start trying things like this. Oh yeah, because right around
the corner, well.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
They've already they've successfully grown a lamb in an artificial embryo,
like basically on a table, they grew a lamb from
a fertilized egg, and they grew into a full grown
ram and then they just I guess unzip the bag.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
That kind of stuff really bothers me because there's more
and more research coming out now. When I was talking
to Thomas about this before he came on the air,
there's a researcher who studies breast milk, and what she
has found is that depending on what the child is
going through, if the child is sick, the mother's body
will actually produce antibodies for whatever that child is dealing
(18:26):
with because they're finding out that the saliva of the
baby actually informs the woman's body on what kind of
breast milk that baby needs at that moment. It's things
like that, like, we just don't know enough of that stuff,
Thomas for me to be comfortable with robots raising my babies.
You got to read both of the articles, by the way,
they're fantastic.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
They're on the blog today. Thomas.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
A joy of seeing you again as usual, and gave
me a lot of stuff to think about. Some of
it freaked me out, but it's okay. I'll survive.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, that's my goal.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, thanks Thomas.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
All right, Thomas Frye, thanks so much, buddy.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I'll see you soon.
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