12-23-25 FULL SHOW - Krista Kafer Fills In For Mandy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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No, it's Mandy connellyn on KA ninety one.

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Speaker 4 (00:25):
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Speaker 5 (00:30):
This is Chris ay Kaper.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm sitting here with a rod and h Yeah, we're
doing the Mandy Connell Show.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
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Speaker 4 (00:40):
She will be back, I believe right after Christmas, and
as a big fan myself, I will be tuning in
there as well. If you're just hearing this soultry silky
voice for the first time, I'm actually more often seen,
not heard. I'm a Denver Post columnist. You can check
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Speaker 5 (01:12):
I think you should subscribe to the Denver Post.

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Do it online.

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It's a lot more.

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Expensive if you get an actual paper, but it is
a it's a solid paper, great reporting and it's actually
one of like seven that I read every day, to
the Wall Street Journal, the Denver Gazette, Denver Post. I
check out Foxnews dot Com, CNN dot com, Comradeo Public Radio,
what else, Colorado Sun. Yeah, I'm one of those people

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that is like a news addict.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
And here's the funny thing.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
I watched very little TV, and when I do, it's
like sci fi or something weird last hour of the day.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
But I don't watch TV news, but I do enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
And I'm also on Twitter at at Christkaper if you
want to follow me there, And yeah, what else can
I say? I'm on Colbadell Inside Out on channel twelve
usually months, sometimes twice a month, and uh, I'm a
Colorado native. And yeah, I know there's like two people
who hate my guts.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
I'm serious, there's like two of them.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
And I'm about to get one of their texts at
five six six nine to Oero that say I hate you.
I'm turning off the radio. Well, I'm glad to know
your hand works. I think that's super that your radio works.
Your handworks. You can actually use a little bit of
personal agency and uh, you know, go over to something
that'll make you feel a little bit better. So uh yeah,

(02:32):
before you before you send me the text, why don't
we just assume I already got that text and that
you're on your way out. So toodles just got oh
this is nice. Somebody just wrote in and said, Hi, Christa,
good to hear your voice. I I'm one, you know,
occasionally for Mandy, occasionally for Ross.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Friends with both of them.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
They are fantastic people. And I also tune into their
shows as well. It is uh, you.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Know, radio. I have loved radio from day one.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I used to listen to the Rush Limbaugh Show way
back when I was a painter's apprentice during college, and
I would bring my Walkman, you remember Walkman, and I
would put on Rush Limbaugh on eight fifty KOWA and
listen to it while I was up on like twenty
foot ladders doing doing painters prep. Basically I doing all

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the calking and spackling and taping and all that jazz.
And I tell you, when you talk, when you're talking
on the radio, the word culk is a word that
you say pretty carefully. Don't want to run a foul
of the U of the FCC. But anyway, I got
a good show ahead, and yeah, thanks for your text

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story to come in five six six, And I know,
let's talk a little bit about the best Christmas gift
you've ever given or received, best Christmas movies. Also talk
a little bit about how the Colorado Legislature just got
school I say, just they've been schooled over and over
and over again by the Supreme Court and lower courts

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on the First Amendment, and they just get schooled again
this week. It is actually the subject of my upcoming
Sunday column, which is why do we keep having to
have the Colorado Legislature and yes, Governor Polis and state regulators,
how come we have to keep sending them back to school?
And every time we have to send them to school,

(04:30):
we have to foot the bill. You know, they're not
paying for their own plane rides to get to Washington,
d C.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
For those Supreme Court hearings.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
We pay for that, and the nice what three hundred
dollars a night hotels. It's not like they're staying at
Motel six. We're paying for that as a taxpayer. So
I'm thinking, maybe, just maybe, if you are a legislator,
and I'm talking about you Democrats, not Republicans. You need
to read the First Amendment. It protects each not just oh,

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this is right. You know what, Sony Walkman did not
receive a radio. I didn't actually have a Sony Walkman.
I had a knockoff that also had a radio. I'm
kind of the knockoff queen. I uh, I have Droid.
I don't have an Apple phone. I own no Apple products.
They're just too expensive. Frankly, probably a little too cool
for me. I have the knockoffs because well, I'm cheap,

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or maybe broke would be a better description of what
I am. So No, I didn't have a Sony Walkman.
I did have one of those radios that you had.
I had the radio and the tape player. So when
I wasn't listening to led Zeppelin, I was listening to
Rush Limbaugh.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Thanks for the correction.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Also, if you want to anyone on Common on anything
I have to say, including a little you know correction
there taken well five six six nine. Oh so yes,
we're gonna talk about Christmas. Also First Amendment and why
we have to keep schooling the lisature on the public dime.
Also Rand Paul's festivest report. I like Rand Paul he's

(06:06):
He's Kentucky, Kentucky guy, A little on the libertarian side.
I'm a little on the libertarian side, to be frank,
I'm kind of for those of you you've heard me
on radio, and I'm on radio for the better part
of I don't know, ten or twelve years, and or
you've read my column or whatever. You know, I'm kind
of a weird mix. I'm like libertarian conservative. I kind

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of swing letton. I mean, I wouldn't say left exactly,
but I'm kind of independent on some other issues like
super pro life. I you know, I'm kind of a mix.
I'm actually kind of a hippie, which I joke with
my my editor.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
My editor is on the left and is super.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Like straight laced, you know, a great family. I think drives,
you know, a Sedan like or no, a mini van
something like that. I've got my you know, old JALOPI
the two hundred and thirty five thousand miles on it.
And I'm always making stuff like you know, I've got chickens,
I grow my own food. Always like making jewelry and stuff.

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So you'd think, Okay, I don't smoke pot at all,
but I do have a little bit of a kind
of a crunchy hippie thing happening.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
But I'm I'm conservative, libertarian and a little on the.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Independent side, so you could say I do appreciate Rand Paul. Also,
higher energy bills are coming our way. Not too happy
about that. We'll talk about why that's going to happen.
But let's start off on.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Let's throw on the shallow end of the pool.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Let's we're We're gonna get deeper as we go on, right, five, six, six,
N I know, if you want to weigh in best
best Christmas movies that you've said, give me your give
me your top three, I'm gonna give you my maybe
my top five, a couple of a couple of films
that are kind of Christmasy that I think are kind

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of fun, and then my my absolute favorites. And the
reason I'm thinking about it as I just watched Knives Out,
I think I only watched two new releases all year.
I just haven't been getting to the movies. And here's
the funny thing. I just read an article saying that
there's a fear that like movies as a collective experience,

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you know, going to the theater, that that's dying out
a bit that the top of the top years for
movie watching was actually the forties and fifties kind of
golden era of cinema, and people went every week to
see a movie. Nowadays, you know, I think I went
twice this year. Part of it's the expense, and part

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of it.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Is so easy to.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Say, it's just so easy to watch it on television.
So the other day I watched Knives Out, the third one,
and I don't recommend the second one. The first one
I thought was really fun, second one it was okay,
And the third one I highly recommend, even though I
would give it a B plus.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
And here's why. It's the plot's okay.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
It's a little far fetched, well maybe a little more
than a little far fetched, but the acting is so awesome,
and the young priest who plays the main character, he
just nails it. He's so earnest, he gives the Christian
message perfectly. There's also like a really bad priest who's awful,
I mean, genuinely awful bad guy. But it just it's

(09:27):
it's a beautiful film because of the acting in general
and in particular.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
The acting of the main character. And I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
I think the other one I saw was Bad Guys
to the Cartoon. I think, honestly, I think those are
the only two. Oh and Sinners. I saw Sinners as well.
And Sinners. I recommend hands down that film as an
A plus plus if don't take a young person to
see it. It's got some adult scenes in it, and

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it's pretty violent, but it's got amazing music and Jimmy,
if you you are tuning in on your way home
from the radio show, it's got some beautiful soul music
in it. It's got some Mississippi Delta blues.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Takes place in nineteen thirty two.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
The acting is superb, the subplots are superb. It just
is a kind of a historical film. It's amazing. But
it's also a vampire film. And like the combination of
those two things, history and bloodsucking vampires. I'm a big fan.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Before I digress further, I.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Will say that my top five films, and my change
this a little bit as the show goes on, as
you give me your recommendations, I'm going to go with
clause I just watched that. It's a Netflix shows a
cartoon in It's just beautiful I loved it elf, of course, funny,
adorable Christmas story, awesome Red One.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Just watched Red One.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
That was really fun, you know, and then you've got
your grades like it's a wonderful life. But my favorite
Christmas story of all time. And I watch it every
year no matter what. I don't always watch it.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
You know.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
It's one of those films you can't watch it with everybody.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
I'm gonna say it here in a moment, and you're
gonna be like, yeah, I wouldn't recommend watching it with
anyone under eighteen. Is Bad Santa. I absolutely love Bad Santa.
And I love it not just because it is laugh
out loud funny. Billy Bob Thurton does an amazing job
being this absolutely horrific human being. He is a horrible, horrible,

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horrible person at the beginning of his film, and not
horrible like Hitler level horrible, but like just completely like
just drunk and gross and nasty, you know, just a
nasty human being. And by the end of the movie
he becomes I won't even say he becomes a decent person,

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becomes better, becomes less bad person by the end of
the movie because of the unmerited love of a child,
and that is the Christmas story in a nutshell right there.
Because of unmerited love, we have a chance to be
something better than we are. And I loved it. I
absolutely love it. So that's why I watch it every year.

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And honestly, I you know the thing about It's a
Wonderful Life, and I love that movie, but It's a
Wonderful Life is about a wonderful person who realizes, you know, Sue,
you know the work of this this angel that you know,
without him, the town would have gone downhill. And it
just validates what a wonderful you know, what a wonderful
guy he is.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
I I tend as.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
So much as I love that movie, I tend to
relate better to honestly, to Bad Santa, because when I
look in the mirror, I see.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
A very very flawed person.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
I'm trying trying, certainly harder than Billy Bob Thornton's character was.
But I like the idea of, you know, people getting redeemed.
So redemption stories have a particular resonance with me, which
is why I love Bad Santa, and it is it
is such a funny movie that if you're you know,

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drinking something at the time, you know, you could laugh
so hard it comes out of your nose like it is.
It is the laugh out loud laugh to your stomach
that hurts.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Funny.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
It's a little on the body side, so make sure
you don't take take young people to see it because
it you know, it's a little naughty, but it is
h It's a redemption story, Barnun. And I think about
the stories that I love most, right, I love There's
two movies. I love, Uh Fathers Do I think is

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a really good movie, and I love Peanut Butter Falcon.
One's a journey and a hero's journey story. One is
a redemption story. And even the journey one Peanut Butter
Falcon also is a bit of redemption story. So that
there's something about redemption stories that land really well with me.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
So a couple of this is so nice.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
People are just like saying hi that they're they're happy
to tune in and happy, happy to hear this voice.
I really appreciate. Thank you, Sheila, thank you. Let's see
who else is on here? Thank you to the person
who is southbound of Fort Collins to Golden, thank you
to everyone else that oh and from let's see from

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Greenwood Village. Thank you, thank you for just you know,
saying Hi, I really appreciate it. It's it's making me happy.
So best gift. I know we're kind of doing best movies,
but I also like best gifts as well. G I
Joe's space shuttle. This person was eight years old when
they got that. That just sounds awesome. I think I
think I was ten when I got this homemade.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Bar and my dad did for my briar horses.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
That that is still my best gift ever.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Love it.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Back to movies, and I do want to get a
rod'sinion of his favorite Christmas movie, but I've got Gremlins.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Is Gremlins?

Speaker 4 (15:05):
This would be the Yeah, Gremlins is that a Christmas movie?
And I'm going to say yes. I'm also going to
go on record in saying that die Hard is in
fact a Christmas movie.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
I know there's some controversy there, but.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Gremlins, die Hard, Yes, they are both Christmas movies.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Now, don't expect a manger scene. Expect a lot of violence.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
And uh, I'm kind of a action movie person.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
It's so funny when people are like CHRISTA, you're kind
of serious, Like I just want to go see a
nice drama about a family coping with cancer, and I'm like, no,
I've already been there, done that a couple of.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Times, like in real life. So no, I need to
shoot them up.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
I need a car chase, I need a vampire. I
need a bad Santa. I need I need action. I
don't want, you know, the serious drama she how she
covers from the great loss of her love and how
she overcome.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
No.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Uh huh, car chase, vampire, That's what I need. This
person loved die Hard. I also love Diehard, actually loved
all the Diehards. And I'm sad that Bruce willis Is.
It's kind of in decline, but it seems to you know,
he's still still hanging with family but not acting obviously.

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This person says top Christmas movies The Night They Saved Christmas,
A Christmas Story, and Gremlins. Well said, got a thought
on your favorite movie?

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Five six six nine.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Oh, I you know I have to be I really
enjoyed Red One again. There's a little redemption action there.
This guy's kind of a kind of a con artist,
and he comes to believe in Christmas, of course, but uh,
and I love anything with the rock in it. But
the Rock in a movie, and I will go see
the movie because I love that guy. I just think

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he's awesome, and it's just it's lighthearted, it's fun, and
I love movies that don't have any you know, Hollywood message.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
If there's a if it's a message.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Film like oh, we're going to help you fight global warming,
We're going to help you, blah blah blah, I'm like, no, no, no,
no no, I don't need that.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Any car chases I need.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
I need fun, or I can go the fantasy route
unicorns and pegasusts and swords and all that stuff, but
I don't. I'm not doing the Hollywood message movie, and
I'm not doing the you know, serious drama. Not saying
that there's anything wrong with these, it's just that I
try to fight to stay out of the deep end
of the pool because I have a tendency to I

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don't know, wax, little melancholy and a little serious. I mean,
I write about things like use in Asia and public policy,
and first minute, I like read some you know Supreme
Court decisions, like the whole thing, like I have to
do some mental heavy lifting. And when I'm not doing that,
I gotta do something fun, something you know, a little crazy,

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a little interesting. I do like sci fi, which is
very sort of thought provoking, but I don't. I can't
do the heavy handed We're here to make you a
better person kind of movie.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
This person said, why won't anyone talk about the thousands
of people who lost all of their food because of
the power outage.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
We are low.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Income and can't replace ours, including our Christmas dinner, not
to mention the rest of the month. That sucks. Why
don't you Why don't you text me back and give
me your phone number, and I will. I will give
you a pumpkin pie because I'm really good at making them,
and I have a bunch of pumpkins. So text me

(18:57):
back your your phone number. I won't give it on
the air, or I won't and I won't, I won't
or your email. And I don't have a lot myself.
But I'm gonna give you a pie because i'll make
it for you tomorrow. I'm making a pie for my sister,
so I'll make you a pie. It doesn't going to

(19:18):
replace your whole meal, but maybe it'll help. But yeah,
the power outage sucked. I don't know why they don't
bury these these electrical lines so that we don't have
fire hazards, we don't have to have power outages. And
I'm sorry man or gal people your family lost your food.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
That sucks.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Let's see, Grinch is my favorite Halloween character, So you
can name movies. Name your movies as Christmas movies. So
this was okay, back it up. I've been telling people
that the Grinch is my favorite Halloween character, so you
can name your movies as Christmas movies.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Fair enough. We'll get to some of the other movies.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
There are some great movies that are coming in right now,
movies that you love Christmas movies and so forth. And
I gotta take a break otherwise I'm gonna be busted.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
This is Christy Kafir.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I'm sitting in for Mandy Connell and you are listening
to eight fifty koh a.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
It is the goat of Christmas movies, the top Christmas movie,
the best Christmas themes, elf, elf, it is a great
movie at all. John Williams music, directed by Jon Favreau,
who I love dearly, and.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
I think it just has the best Christmas feel.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Well and it's sweet, it's just a sweet it's a
sweet Darling movie and funny and funny, very funny, and
uh yeah, just kind of a fish out of water
down the elf who finds himself in the big city
and he's just full of Christmas cheer and he can
even make the grumpiest person smile so well, said a rod.

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Let's see This person says, just saw Red.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
One with my daughter. Great film.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Don't and also, don't forget Jingle all the Way Deck
the Halls is a classic. Another person says, let's see
Diehard is definitely a Christmas movie, undertones of ode to
joy throughout. Listen closely next time, I will Fred Clause.
Another movie that someone says, let's see Christmas in Connecticut,

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The Bishop's Wife and Elf. Also to the person who
lost their Christmas food, if you've got homeowner's insurance, this
person says, you probably get your food covered there. I
don't know. If you don't have homeowner's insurance, I don't
know what to tell you, but yeah, if you get
back with me, I will.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
I'll give you a pie. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Everybody's gotta have pumpkin pie, and I think it's great
for Thanksgiving and for dinner. So I don't know if
you all heard about this, but friend Sass one of
my favorite former senators when he was senator from Nebraska.
I just I just thought he was a really neat
person and a very sincere person person who was just

(22:08):
I mean not just well spoken, but you know, didn't
contradict himself, didn't lie, didn't say stupid stuff, didn't attack people,
was really smart at public policy.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Even if you.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Disagreed with how he voted, you couldn't help but notice
that he was a thoughtful person. And I just found
out that he's got stage four pancreatic cancer.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
I tell you, I know like five people personally.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
I don't know bensas personally, but five people with cancer
this Christmas and really close friends, close family members that
are actively battling cancer with chemotherapy, with radiation, removal of
you know, body parts. And then I've got a number

(22:54):
of friends that are struggling with other things as well.
So it is it is a tough, tough Christmas, and perhaps,
I don't know, just a good reminder that there's got
to be more than this. I mean, I love life
and I love all the cool stuff, but dang, it
can be get painful, sometimes lethal weapon. Yes there's I

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think that there's some Christmas in there. It's a wonderful life,
a great perspective reset.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
This person says, I can't help but say, yeah, it does.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
Agree.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Actually, I was laying in bed last night and I
was like, what if I had played things differently in
my life, maybe made some different choices, maybe made some
better choices.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
What would that look like? You know?

Speaker 4 (23:40):
And I lay there, I was kind of in a
melancholy mindset and I thought, well, you know, everybody would
have been fine without me.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
You know, they'd be fine, they'd make their way.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
They you know, I'd like to think I was a
good influence, but nobody's irreplaceable. I'm sure they would have
found somebody else that was good to hang out with them,
and that I don't know, maybe I need a little
It's a wonderful life reset, a little little perspective reset
to think, you know what, we all matter, and we

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weren't there for a sister, a brother, a spouse, mom,
a dad, a kid, they wouldn't be where they're at today.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
And that's what makes that movie so beautiful.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Keep it coming on the movies five, six, six, and nine.
O would love to hear what you think. You know,
it's interesting. I think I mentioned I always saw a
couple of movies in the theater. I only saw let's see.
I think I saw Sinners and maybe one other in
the movie theater. And part of it's the expense, and
part of it is just like getting up and going

(24:46):
I'm not that I'm that old, but it you're think, well,
I can just watch it on Netflix. I could just
watch it on Prime. I could do that. And the
weird thing is that a lot of people are already
choosing that, and this trend away from movies. If movies.
The golden era of movies was nineteen forties and fifties
when people went weekly. Once TVs became common and people

(25:08):
started having a TV in their house, that was the
first drop off of movies. People could get entertainment beyond
radio in their own living room, kind of like watching
a movie, and so people stopped going as much.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Then you get.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Cable TV, and even more so. I can still remember
HBO Da Da Da Da da da Na no no no,
I can remember it from the nineteen eighties. And then
you know, a little promo took forever, but you could
you could watch movies no longer just you know, waiting
for them to run as reruns on the weekends. You

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could watch them on cable television on HBO or you know,
later on Stars and these other ones. Then we go
from that to satellite DVR. You could save a movie
and watch it for later. You do that with a
VCR too, obviously DVR. And now we have streaming and

(26:06):
now it's like I could go home right now any
movie I want to watch. I mean, I have to pay,
but I can call it up through streaming and I
can watch it. And I can more increasingly watch brand
new movies as they come out right on my own television.
And so they find that that has been killing movie attendants.

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And then you add one more layer onto that, and
that's COVID. During COVID, people got out of the habit
of going to the movie theater. And it's affected church attendants.
It's affected a lot of things because people just kind
of got out of the habit of doing things communally
and we're becoming a little more individualistic in general as

(26:47):
a society. There's some good things about that, and there's
some really bad things about that. And one of the
bad things is, Yeah, we have all of these different
entertainment options, some of them are exceptional, but we're not
all watching the same thing, so we don't have that
as a kind of collective culture to bind us together,

(27:08):
and that that, you know, that may become more and
more separate, more and more animized because of it. I
find I watched probably a half hour of TV a day,
and I tend to like I mean, I really there's
a couple of shows I'm watching right now that I'm
that I'm enjoying. I tend to watch a show all
the way through and then try to find something else

(27:28):
that I like, and then I watch.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
It all the way through as well.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
And I have to admit I tend to drift towards
sci fi. I think the best television show I've ever
seen in my life was Game of Thrones. I think
it rivals any movie. I think its production value is
that high. I wish they'd come out though, with a
PG thirteen version of it or a PG version of it,
because I would love to be able to recommend it

(27:54):
to people with, say, junior high aged kids, because I mean,
and it's got the dungeons, the dragons, the swords, but
there is so much adult scene.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
There's so many adult scenes in it.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I mean to the point where I would get up
and go into the kitchen and make a cup of
tea because I don't need I don't need to see
people getting it on. And to me, that's like watching
it's like watching someone chew with their mouth open. It's
way too much information. So between the nudity and the uh,
the adult scenes, it I'm not gonna say it ruined.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
It didn't ruin it. It's still the best television show
of all time.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
But it made it so you couldn't recommend it for
everybody because it's not appropriate for younger people. I don't
really think it's appropriate for me. This is Christy Kaefer.
I'm sitting in for Mandy Connell. And keep your text
flying in five six six and I know, and we'll
be back in just a few minutes.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
This is eight fifty KOA. Stay tuned.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Just tell the legislature got schooled by the courts on
the First Amendment. Yeah, these guys never learn. Maybe they
could just I don't know, read it. It is available online.
You know, they could just say, you know, google Constitution,
First Amendment and then read it.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Before they decide to legislate it away.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
That way, we don't have to keep paying for them
to go to the Supreme Court. Just saying so, I'm
talking a little bit about movies in general. This person says,
movies will never die. People like the experience of watching
stuff in the movie theater. They just have to start
making better movies. You know the Two Dunes, the Dune
remakes one and two, and I think the second one
came out this year. I did see them in the theater,

(29:37):
and they were You have to see that in the theater.
Those are both beautifully done. Cinematography wise, they're stunning. I mean,
you can watch it on a big TV, but it's
not quite the same. Another person even says that, hey,
are TVs are so much better. We've got surround sound,
we've got these big screens.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
It's true, it is better.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Another person says, hey, it's just gotten so much more expensive.
Back in nineteen seventy four, they went to see James
Bond Man with the Golden Gun, paid a dollar for
the movie, a dollar for popcorn, and fifty cents for
a coke. Likely pocketed the other fifty cents that he
got from his dad, so yeah, I get it, and
I have tom. Unless a movie is big like Dune,

(30:23):
I don't go to the movie theaters just because of
the expense. Got to give you a couple of other
really good movies for Christmas. I named it the very
beginning of this segment, Elf Claws, Christmas Story, Bad Santa
Read One ones that I really like. But here's here's
five other classics that are just as good as those

(30:43):
Home Alone, National Lampoons, Christmas, Charlie Brown Christmas and Trading Places.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Right, awesome classics.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I absolutely love them, this person says The Family Man,
that's Nicholas Cay just a good movie, and die Hard
two of the best films of all time. Yeah, I cannot.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Disagree with that.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
The person says, let's see Exited the afternoon showing of
David on Fridays singing, I will not be afraid. Not
only is the movie visually studying, but the soundtrack is
available and the Grand Baminis Bambinies, Bambinies, Grand Babinies. It's great,

(31:28):
are already mastering the lyrics because they love to sing.
So yeah, this person took their kids, their grandkids the
Grand Babinies and loved the movie.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
David. You know, it looks good.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
I gotta admit, it looks like a really really fun
This just looks like a fun a fun movie. And
you know, the biblical story of David very compelling, very interesting.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
So yeah, I may have to see.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
That myself when we get back in about let's we're
exit out of here in a minute or two. When
we get back, yeah, let's talk a little bit about
that First Amendment issue. Just just a little things, just
a little thing. But yeah, it bugs me that we
have to keep schooling our legislators, including our governor and

(32:16):
our agencies, are bureaucrats about exactly what the First Amendment entails. Now,
they could look it up. They don't actually have a
constitution sitting around they could they could look it up.
They could do a little homework before they start legislating.
You know, maybe they ought to make a movie about it,
like a First Amendment movie, talking about how government cannot

(32:38):
coerce or compel or quash keeping with some alliteration, they
can't do those things with free speech. Now that doesn't
mean that they're you know, you can't, you know, use
speech to orchestrate an insurrection. That that's not good. You
can't libel somebody, right, there are limits, but generally speaking,

(33:01):
you can't do that stuff.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
So in the last minute that we ever remaining.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
A couple other films that people love Bad Santa, I
have to agree it is the best.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
It's my favorite.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
This person's favorite movie is the Gift of the Magi
either the nineteen seventy eight versions or my modern version
made in twenty ten, or a Christmas Carol, the Kelsey
Grammar version. And then best for comedies, Trading Places, Yes,
Trading Places is just absolute classic dan Aykroyd and Eddie

(33:33):
Murphy and it is laugh out loud funny. And that
is actually where Jamie Lee curtis something that's her. I
think it was her second. I think Halloween was her
first movie. And finally, this person says Violent Knight with
David Harber as mister c also love actually appreciate that. Well,
we're gonna hit We're gonna hit the wall here. This

(33:54):
is Christi Kaefer. I'm sitting in for Mandy Connell and
you are listening to eight point fifty KOA.

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Speaker 5 (34:27):
Welcome back to the Mandy Connell Show. This is Christy Kaper.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
I'm sitting in we are it's this song's sake, and
we're keeping ignorance at Bay. I feel I feel us
quite the responsibility anyway, if you're just tuning in, I
normally seem not heard. If you will, I'm a Dever
Post columnist and I sometimes do radio and I sometimes
do television. I'm on Cio Colorado Inside Out on Friday nights,

(34:55):
eight o'clock on Channel twelve. Not every time, usually about
once or twice a month. It's a lot of and
then I sub occasionally for Mandy and Ross and it's
a blast.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
I absolutely love doing radio. It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
You can check me out at at Chris de Kaifa
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you know, send me a little uh, send me a
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for my paid subscribers, and I'm going to kind of

(35:27):
build that out a little bit next year, and it's
one of.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
My one of my uh, one of my.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Goals this year has been I almost said I almost
said something bad. I almost said a bad word on air.
I almost had to dump myself. It has been a
hard year. I almost use an adverb we're not supposed
to use on air. And I'm sure that it's been
a hard year for a number of you as well.
And uh got a bunch of friends with cancer, a
bunch of friends with other stuff, a bunch of friends

(35:53):
in the hospital. I spent some time in the hospital
this year. It's just been a bad year and thing
bad year, if you know what I mean. So I'm
looking forward to a better year next year. And part
of that is just to kind of develop some of
my assets, maybe start a podcast.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
And I got to find a new horse to ride.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
It's been it's been a couple of years since I
was riding regularly. So you got a horse out there
and you're like, my horse needs exercise. I don't have
my own attack unfortunately, but I uh, I do ride
Western or English love an Australian saddle. That's my my favorite.
But yeah, I'm just gonna throw that out there. It's
totally like a self Uh, it's not self aggrandizing, self

(36:31):
helping self, something selfish.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
If you're in the Denver metro area and you need
me to ride your horse or you want someone to
ride with you got two horses, I it's a it's
a goal. It's a goal for the year is to
get back in the saddle, literally, because the best thing
for the inside of woman is the outside of a horse.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Absolutely, everything from the way they smell to just grooming them,
riding them. I just think they're a fantastic animal. The
only animal.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Well, it's better as a dog, and that not by much.
The dogs. I'm getting a dog next year.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
My buddy Bacon died two years ago, and I think
I'm finally She was like my soul sister dog.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
She was a German Shepherd mix. She was my best friend.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
And it's taken me a little while to get to
a point where I could open my heart to a
new dog. So that a little foster during this summer
for canine, let's see Carl's Canine Crew down in Colorado Springs.
Great organization, but I'm thinking I think I've got ready
to have a dog. Yeah, another, get another German Shepherd

(37:35):
chow mix hopefully, because that's like a perfect match for me.
And uh, anyway, enough about me, Let's move on to
something a little more subsmative, and that is the First Amendment.
You see our legislature. They don't have a very good
legislature in the state, by my reckoning, I'm a Republican.
I would like Republicans to be in charge.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
I do not like this legislature.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
They have made things so much more expensive here in Colorado.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
And kind of my.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Big issue with them is they seem to not get
the First Amendment. So the First Amendment protects our right
to assemble, protects the right of the press, protects our
right to have our faith and to live out the
values and beliefs of our faith, and also protects free speech.

(38:24):
And here's the thing that, not only can they not
stop free speech, you can't have a law that stops
free speech. You also can't compel people to say stuff. Now,
obviously there are limits. If I dropped an F bomb
on air and I didn't dump myself, there's a handful
of other words I can't say I Or if a
rod didn't do me the favor and dumped that seven

(38:46):
seconds so it didn't.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Go out on the air waves.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Then we would be busted here at the radio station.
And are you know, because it face a fine right.
So I don't have I can't abuse. I don't have
the free speech to say.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Certain things on the air.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
If you liabel somebody, if you do things to destroy
somebody's reputation and then come back with a civil suit
and they can sue your butt.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
And yeah, so you don't have the right to libel.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
You don't have the right to incite people to violence.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
So you know, speech that incites is not protected.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
But other things that, yeah, there's there's just a handful
of things that are not protected.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
But otherwise speech is protected.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
And a government cannot censor, and it cannot compel, it
cannot quash, and it cannot coerce. And I'm hoping there's
some legislators out there that you know aren't Democrats. There's
also some Republicans who aren't big fans of free speech.
They seem to basically be in Congress, however, And I

(39:55):
just I just want to encourage you to pick up
a pocket constitution. I think Independence Institute gives them away,
go online and can google it on your phone.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Ask a friend, phone a friends.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
There's a lot of ways to access the First Amendment
and just read it. And then if you want to
go a little deeper, you can read a little uh,
you know, you can read some of the Supreme Court
decisions that sort of spell out some of the implications.
So I have a friend who's a legislator. I told
him that I would keep his uh, his name protected.
He just texted him and he said, when, uh, when

(40:28):
challenged by me, he was he was.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
He's been out office for a little while.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
But when he was in office, when he would challenge
one of his colleagues about the constitutional constitutionality of their proposals,
they they didn't respond the way I would like them
to respond, which is, you know, here's why it's constitutional,
blah blah blah blah. Instead, in this particular individual was

(40:53):
Minority Leader Dan Grossman. When this person whose name shall
be protected challenge the constitutionality of one of Minority Leader
Dan Grossman's bills, the minority leader, who was a Democrat, said,
it's not my job to worry about the constitution.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
My job is to pass legislation.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Not a good attitude, and I would say that, and
you know, I know, get democrats and Republicans and independents
that tune in. There are people on the right who
also need to read the constitution, who also don't seem
to understand that there are constitutional limits. And I am
such a big fan of rule of law that I
would and I am a republican. I would rather have

(41:38):
a democrat who understood an embraced rule of law than
a Republican who didn't. I would actually rather have a
monarchy with rule of law than a democracy without. So
what is rule of law? Rule of law means we
have laws, they're written down, they apply to everyone, including

(41:58):
the leaders.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
There are no sort.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Of you know, oops exceptions. Everybody has to be under
the law, something that's been around since the Magna Carta.
It's an interesting document that was signed back in the
thirteenth century England where the lords basically said to the king,
you are not above the law. And so, I know
it's a pretty radical thing to say, Yeah, I would

(42:23):
rather have a monarchy with rule of law than a
democracy without. Let's keep in mind that Hitler was voted
into power. Some of the worst examples of countries that
disregard rule of law, that don't hold people accountable, don't
keep you know, they don't uphold the laws for everyone.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
Everywhere are democracies.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
They basically people vote in their own dictators, and those
dictators can do whatever they want, you know, putin can
point at a person in a crowd and say that
guy doesn't go home tonight.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Right.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
They spare their friends always people are you know, corrupt
and taking cash and doing all these different things. They
spare their friends from the law. They are themselves not
under the law, and they throw people in jail on
spurious charges. So I want to live somewhere where there is.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Rule of law.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Rules are written down, there's a process by which laws
are actually made.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
Everyone understands that process.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
You don't just get to slip something into the law code.
There's a process. People follow that process and they're going
to abide by it. Every single person, including the leaders,
are going to abide by that law. Well, I bring
that up because of our organic laws here in the US.

(43:49):
The most important one is the Constitution. And any state
law or state regulation cannot break the Constitution. It cannot
run a foul of the Constitution, including the First Amendment,
the one that protects our speech, our right to practice
our faith, our faith or no faith. If you're an atheist,
you have the same rights. We have a right to assemble,

(44:12):
We have a right to the free press. Well, I
really wish the legislature would just just give it a try,
just you know, maybe they can't get the cliff notes
version of the Constitution. Just read the first Amendment, because
they seem to keep forgetting it, and then they keep
having to get schooled by the courts, which costs us

(44:36):
as taxpayers, because we got to pay for the government lawyers.
We've got to pay for the travel.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Now.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
These people don't do it for free.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
And so it ends up it ends up costing us.
So earlier this week just to give a couple of
examples on where I think they've run a foul and
where they need to study a little bit harder. So
a Biden appointed judge, So this is no you know,
conservative dude.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
A Biden appointed.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Federal judge blocked a Colorado law from being enforce This
law requires health warnings, think like you know, cigarette pack
health warnings on gas stoves. That they have to put
these stickers on the gas stoves or they have to
put it on whatever online presence they have selling them

(45:24):
online that says, go to this government website. You go
to the government website, it says these bad things about
gas stoves. Was It turns out the so called research
about the ill health effects of gas stoves is contestable.
It's not settled science. It's not like, you know, the
Sun revolved or the Earth revolves around the sun kind

(45:47):
of settled science.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
It is.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Uh, it's a bit controversial. Honestly, if you're properly invented
and you have a gas stove, you are fine. I
have gas heat, I have a boiler in my house.
You know, everything's vented. It's fine. I have a gas fireplace,
it's fine. I have a gas hot water heater. It's fine.
You know, everything's vented. Everything's fine. But to force those

(46:12):
who are selling these products, to force them to put
these stickers on their products, is forcing them to give
a message against their own product, basically a message that
is controversial. And therefore, this judge, this is a Biden
pointed judge said, no, this law likely violates the First

(46:38):
Amendments First Amendment rights.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Of those who sell these stoves.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
This so called settled science is not settled, and they've
he's put an injunction on the law cannot be enforced
as it moves up the court, because you.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
Know these things.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Rarely does the government go, oh, I forgot about the
First Amendment. Just repeal this. It's it runs a follow
the first Amendment. We forgot and we did this thing
that's wrong. No, no, they don't do that. They keep
using our money to keep propelling it through the court.
But luckily it's not going to get enforced. Why while

(47:17):
it's going up through the court, Well, why is it important.
I don't sell stoves. I don't even have a gas stove.
Why is this important? Why it's important is is the
government cannot compel speech, can't force you to say things
that you disagree with.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
It just can't do.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
That, especially when the information is not one true. You know,
you could have cigarette labels, cigarette warnings on labels, so
the back when I smoked it, I don't think I
paid attention to them, but you can have that because
everyone knows that smoking causes health issues. The you know,

(47:55):
if you've got a gas stove that it's not vented,
that could be a problem. But if it's vented, it's
not a problem. So why are these people having to
put warning stickers on their products?

Speaker 5 (48:07):
If this is.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Allowed to stand, it's basically going to give a green
light to the legislature to say, yeah, you can force
any entity you disagree with to put some kind of
a warning.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
Label on it.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
And if you doubt that they actually might go down
that road last year or actually last session this year,
they actually consider doing that with gas stations. They wanted
gas station owners to put stickers on pumps that said warning,
this causes global warming and all kinds of catastrophic bad things.

(48:40):
And they didn't go for it. They didn't actually it
didn't make its way to the governor for signature. But
if they get a green light on this stove bill,
why not do that? Why not put a sticker on
anything they don't like? How about on milk, you know,
dairy dairy, farmer's cows, unless they're taking the methane, drawing

(49:03):
the methane off of these places they do produce methane.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
Cows are farty, it's the way it is.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
You can feed things to them that make them less gassy,
But gaws are gassy. They fared a lot, They fart
more than us and it's a major methane contributor. Now
there are things to do to mitigate that, but what's
to stop a legislature from slapping a warning level on
a cart and a milk on a t bone steak.

(49:33):
If they're allowed to go forward on this, they can
compel speech all over the place. And that's why it's
got to stop with stoves. And that's not the only
place that the legislature has tried to do this. I
would say a more serious infraction is a twenty nineteen
law that prohibits counselors from helping young clients come to

(49:54):
terms with their biological sex. So, if you're say a
young man, sixteen year old, fourteen year old, you go
into a counselor, you've got a lot of anxiety, maybe
socially awkward, having a hard time making friends, and you know,
maybe your cousin said, well, you know what, you might
actually be a boy, or oh maybe your teacher says

(50:16):
this to you, maybe you're actually a girl, and so
you bring that up with your counselor well, what if
I'm actually a girl? What if I'm trans By law,
your counselor has to say, why, yes, you are?

Speaker 5 (50:31):
What can we do to enable that. They can't push back.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
By law, the state prohibits counselors from saying, well, you know,
maybe there's another origin to your anxiety, to your depression.
You know, what does it look like to be able
to accept your body, to accept your biological sex.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
And they can't do that. They're not allowed.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
The legislator said, nope, we have a government line here
we are. The government line is this, if you think,
if you're a boy and you think you're a girl,
you are a girl. And if you're a counselor, you
better affirm that you better get that kid on some hormones.
You hatter do what you need to do to affirm
that decision, even if that decision ultimately harms that young person.

(51:21):
And I encourage you if you are, you know, kind
of up in the air on this and you're not
quite sure what you think.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Watch some videos of kids who.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Have de transitioned mark you know that they're they're now
in their twenties, and they will say to a one,
I was I felt awkward. I didn't have a lot
of friends. I was very anxious, I was very depressed.
I thought that by changing my sex or trying to
train and change my sex, that I would feel better

(51:50):
about myself, and that I and that my life would
be better. And I went and saw a counselor. They
affirmed that. They set me up with a doctor who
asked no questions. They put me on hormones. Later on,
I got a surgery, and now I realized it was
a mistake and I can't get myself back. The young

(52:12):
women all have these really deep masculine voices. I have
a deep voice, but it's still a female voice. They
sound like men. They they've they've they've lost breasts. You know,
now they have to get implants. There are worse things
that could happen. Uh, you know, a young man may
have to have the you know, the breast implants taken out.
Hopefully they haven't messed with anything below the below.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
The waist up, but they all have.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
They've all been disfigured by hormones or by operations. And
all of them say, why didn't somebody push back, Why
didn't somebody treat the underlining causes of my depression and
in my anxiety? Why did they take me down this road? Well,
right now, in Colorado, that's the only road. The legislature

(53:01):
will allow other infractions on the second Amendment are sorry,
first Amendment. Second Amendment's important to first Amendment when we
get back. That is five sixty six nine Ohero is
the text line.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
And this is Christa Kaefer.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
I'm sitting in for Mandy Connell and you are listening
to eight fifty KOA. Dave, who works here at the station,
just brought me the KBCO Volume thirty seven CD. So
our one of our sister stations on the FM side
is KBCO and every year they have people come and
sing in their studio and then they do this compilation

(53:35):
and I have all of them and I love them
and I love KBCO, so it's a yeah, it just
makes me happy. Anyway, speaking of happy, I would be
super super happy if the legislature actually acquainted itself.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
What's the first Amendment?

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Just maybe pick up a copy of the Constitution.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
They don't even have to get a copy.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
They can just go online, you know, just read it,
you know, google first Amendment and it'll bring up some stuff.
Just glance at it before the next session. It's all
I ask. And before we went to a break, I
talked a little bit about a decision from this last
week where a Biden appointed federal judge said, no, you

(54:18):
can't make a law to force the vendors of gas
stoves to put a warning label on their products. That's
compelled speech. And it may seem like a small thing,
but if the legislature was able to do that, then
they could do anything. I mean, I mean not anything, obviously,

(54:38):
but they would be able to compel all kinds.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Of speech they could put.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
You force people who sell milk to put a warning
label on the milk saying this caustium cows. Cows are
contributor methane. Methane is a global warming gas.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
It's one of the reasons.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
That the temperature has risen. You should not drink elk.
And imagine it. Everyone out there works for a particular
business or has if you're retired, imagine if you had
to on your own products. We're not talking cigarettes or
cocaine or whatever. We're talking about. You know, stuff that's
good that you would have to put some kind of

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a label on it saying that it runs a foul
of what the government thinks you ought to be buying.
And yeah, it's pretty serious.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
And it gets more.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Serious when you look at other ways in which our
Colorado legislature has decided.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
To coerce or censor free speech.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Before the break, I talked a little bit about twenty
nineteen law that prohibits counselors from helping young clients teens
that come in come to terms with their biological sex,
even with that's what the client wants. So if a
client comes in and says, I don't feel comfortable in
my own body, I want to accept my own body.

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I want some relief from this depression and this anxiety.
Can you help me? A counselor can only say to
that client government approved speech, and in this state, the
only government approved speech is that, oh, yeah, you're definitely
you're a boy, You're definitely a girl. Let's see if

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we can make that happen for you. Or if you're
a girl who is uncomfortable with her body, maybe you're
just a boy. We'll go down that route. And if
you ever listen to the testimony of people who have
later de transitioned, they will say, if only somebody had
questioned what I was saying. And I think back, you know,

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when I was young, when I was a teenager, one
of the manifestations of depression for me was I hated
my own face, absolutely hated it. Coming to terms with that,
coming to terms with my own body, my own looks
was something that a counselor worked worked with me on,
so I wouldn't hate looking in the mirror. But our counselors,

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thanks to this Colorado law, cannot help a client accept
his or her own body. They can only say to them, Yep,
you're trans let's make that happen. And that is unfair.
It's unfair to the clients, it's unfair to the counselors.
And I think I think the.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
Courts are onto them.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
There was oral arguments in the Colorado or in the
US Supreme.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Court earlier this year.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
I think it was in October, and they even some
of the liberal judges were thinking, I don't think you
can compel speech this way, that counselors who want to
help clients come to terms with their biological sex cannot
be compelled to stick with government approved speech that runs

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a foul of the First Amendment. And even some of
the liberal judges were questioning our Colorado, our Colorado Legislature's decision.
So they're going to so they'll rule on that in
the next couple of months. Session I think starts sometime

(58:15):
in January. Supreme Court, they've already heard the oral arguments,
read all the briefs.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
Now they're writing.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
They're writing the decisions, and then they will announce those decisions.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
If you want to read an interesting book, So I've
read a book Brier, so he's on the left.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
I read his he was a former Supreme Court justice.
I read his book. I read the Chief Justices book,
and then I read Amy Cony Barrett's book and that one.
I really enjoyed the Briar book, and I really even
though I don't agree with it particularly, I thought it
was a really thoughtful book.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
And then I really liked Barrett's book.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
And one of the things that I thought was so
interesting about Barrett's book is how much the Court does to.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Facilitate open discussion.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Like they take their lunches together, they're always talking to
each other, they're always talking to their clerks, they're always
reading stuff.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
They do a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
To make sure that their decision making and their discussions
remain open and that they keep respect for each other.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
It's it's really it's a really cool book.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
If you want to put a cool book on your
reading list, I would recommend Barrett Barrett's book also Brier
I like, I thought he's book was good too. And
I think I've read sixty books this year now. I
think two thirds, maybe three fourths of them were murder mysteries.
I managed to burn my way through all of Cjbox's books.

(59:44):
I think I've got like four to go. He's written
like twenty five books. And I know our station does
make its way over the border into Wyoming. So if
you know Cjbox, the writer of the most fabulous Western
murder mysteries, tell him that there is a guest host
on a fifty koa that thinks he's.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
The best ever.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
I just think these books are fantastic. But I did
read some serious books. I mean those are serious fiction,
but I did read a lot of nonfiction as well.
And yeah, if you want to pick up some serious stuff,
pick up Cony Barrett's stuff or her book and also
Bryer's book. Both both really sharp and interesting books. So

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talk a little bit right now about the legislature's inability
to understand that the First Amendment protects speech that they
don't agree with. Sucks to be them because when they
go to the Supreme Court, and these things always do
end up in the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is like, guys,

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you need to read the First Amendment. You cannot compel
or coerce or censor free speech. That is, if you're
selling stoves, if you're a counselor here's another example. There's
another case that the court may take, and that is
Saint Mary Catholics Parish versus Roy. And this has to

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do with the Catholic Archdiocese and all of its Catholic
schools which serve a lot of low income kids. In
the preschool system Colorado, the legislature decides, hey, let's have a.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
Free preschool program.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
We can do fifteen to thirty hours of quote unquote free.
The taxpayer pays for it, preschool more if you're more hours,
if you're a kid that's vulnerable for a variety of reasons.
But we'll let anybody go to any school they want,
except for Catholic schools. So if you're a Catholic and
you want to go to Catholic schools, or you're not

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Catholic and.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
You want to go to Catholic schools.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Those schools right now are not participating because the state
will not let them another way in which legislature and
in this case, I think just regulators in general are
saying that they just don't get the First Amendment. You
got a thought on this five six, six, nine to Oh,
we'll get back with it when we get back from
this break. You're listening to eight fifty koa swimming around

(01:02:08):
in the deeper end of the pool. We did movies
earlier in the show, and we head back to Christmas
movies later in the show. But I am disappointed with
our legislature, in part by the fact that we've already
gotten in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
Seriously.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
So you think about three ZHO three Creative LLC versus Alanis.
That was in twenty twenty three. That was a Colorado
case and the Supreme Court said, no, you cannot force
a web designer to write things that she disagrees with.
When it comes to say, a gay wedding, you can't

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do it. And that was a similar case back in
twenty eighteen Masterpiece Cake Shop versus Colorado's Civil Rights Commission,
and that one's a little more ambiguous, but still you
cannot discriminate against faith based providers. You just can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
We are protected.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Faith based providers and people of faith are protected, and
people of no faith are protected. You and your beliefs
and living out those beliefs is protected unless there is
a super compelling government interest in in denying those rights.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
You have to do them.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
I mean, you have to protect the right to practice
your religion under the Constitution as part of the First Amendment.
And so we have another case, and this is Saint
Mary's Catholic Parish v. Roy in which sometimes this week,
like nineteen friend.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Of the Court brief shows up. These are a miki brief.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Briefs where people write in is a friend of the
court and say, hey, you got.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
To take this case.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Twenty two states, a whole bunch of think tanks, faith
based think tanks as well Catholic families wrote into the
Supreme Court and said please, please, please take this case now,
it won't be for spring.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
They would hear the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Case next year, and then in twenty twenty seven they
would rule on it to say that the state of
Colorado cannot arbitrarily not allow Catholic preschools to participate in
their universal.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Universal Preschool program.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
That these Catholic parishes, the church schools have a right
to have their own beliefs and guidelines, and you can't
just say, well, we don't like them, and unless you
do the government thing, you can't participate in our program.
And there is a whole bunch of different cases that
back that up. In fact, the state decided to cut

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its losses a little bit earlier this year. There was
another court case called Camp Ideragi Association Versus Rules, in
which there's a a it's a day camp.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
It's kind of in the foothills.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
I think it's in Bailey Camp Ideragi, where it's a
Christian camp, and when kids stay there, if you're a boy,
you got to sleep with the boys. If you're a girl,
you sleep with the girls. You have to use the
bathroom that corresponds to your sex. And the state was like,
you know, we can't have day camps and stay over

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camps for kids. If you have them, you have to
let boys use the girl's bathroom and girls use the
boys bathroom or stay in their dorms if that's what
the kid thinks of themselves. So if a boy believes
he's a girl, he gets to stay with the girls.
If a girl believes she's a boy, she gets to
stay with the boys, and this camp was like, we
can't do that. That's outside of that violates our faith beliefs,

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that biological sex is a real thing and needs to
be respected. The case got settled because the state was like, Okay,
you guys, you guys can do your thing. We're going
to respect your First Amendment rights. So at least that
case is not going to end up in the Supreme Court.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
I just think that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
These legislatures, this legislature, and these regulators need to return
to the First Amendment. Read it over, read some of
this law, read some of these cases, and from now
on respect our First Amendment rights, our right to our practice,
our religion and faith tradition, our right to our free speech.

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And here's the deal. The rights of religious people. In
protecting them, it protects atheists as well. It protects if
you said, I don't agree with that person, well the
rights that protect them also protect you. So it's in
all of our best interests. Interesting, some interesting, breaking news

(01:06:57):
that I will get to when we get back. This
is Christy Kayfer. I'm sitting in for Mandy Connell. Our
text line is five six six nine oh and you're
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I think I could use a theme song. This is
Christy Kaper. I'm sitting in for Mandy Connall. And if
you're just tuning in, uh, He's just a guest host.
And normally you catch me in the newspaper. I'm a
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and there on Colorado Inside Out on Channel twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
It's nine o'clock, no sorry, eight o'clock.

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On Friday nights, and it's it's a nice little half
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Kyle Dyer super great gal. She is the host of that.

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And it's a couple of people talking about say it's
like four people talking about public policy and nobody talks
over each other, nobody like, you know, it's it's nice.
It's like you hear some different opinions and people like
each other and it's you know, it's educational. It's sometimes
kind of funny and it's not annoying, which is which

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is nice.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
I also have a Twitter. I do tweet a couple times.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
A day at at christa Kaefer and both with a K.
And then uh, let's see, I got a Facebook page,
I got a sub stack. Got to kind of build
that out next year. It's one of my professional goals,
and uh, we'll see what happens. So it's uh, it's
great to be here, great to be sitting in for
Mandy Connell.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
One more pretty serious issue.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
I want to chew on a little bit and then
let's hold over to the I guess the shallow end
of the pool and talk a little bit about best Christmas,
best Christmas gifts, best Christmas songs, best Christmas movies. I mean,
we got to prepare mentally. We got a holiday coming up.

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So during the last segment, I get an interesting somebody
texted me at five six six nine O saying, didn't
the PUC, that would be the Public Utilities Commission outlaw
gas stoves, and it's it's the kind of uh they're
they're going down that road. And here's the problem. If
you have gas fired in anything in your house, and

(01:09:41):
I have gas fired heat.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
I have radiators. I have a little old house and
I've got radiators for heat.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
I've got a hot water heater that's that's runs on
natural gas. That I have a fireplace that I only
run when I'm in the room. I'm one of those
freaks that keeps my house between sixty two and sixty
five degrees.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
Part of it's because I want to save money.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Part of it's because I run a little hot and
I'd rather put on a sweater than pay a little
bit more in power usage. So I've got natural gas. Well,
imagine my surprise and horror. Honestly, when the PUC, the
Public Utilities Commission decided, it was about two weeks ago

(01:10:25):
that they wanted to put the squeeze on all of
us using gas. Now I say all of us, it's
like seventy six percent of all Colorados use use gas
to heat their house. They want us to convert to electric, Okay,
so they want us to get rid of whatever we have.
So imagine my case. So I have radiators. My house

(01:10:47):
was built in nineteen fifty two. Chances are if you
have a house that's from the fifties, on back, you know,
into the you know, old Victorian houses. Chances are you've
got radiator heat. Now there are electric radiators, but most
radiators are going.

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
To be gas.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
And in order to get rid of my boiler, which
I just bought a couple of years ago, you know,
that's probably about a six thousand dollars unit. Not only
would I eat the cost of what I just put in,
I would then have to come up with like twenty
thousand dollars to put in a heat pump, and I

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would never really recoup that cost, even though you know
they're relatively efficient nowadays, even the most efficient heat pump.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
There's a big study that was done.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
If I swap out what I've got, I will probably
not recoup those costs in the next couple of decades.
So I'm going to be underwater there. Also, I've got
all these radiators which are functional, but obviously they're not functional.
I don't want them in the house. Who's going to
pay for that? So the PUC comes out and says,
we don't like gas heat. We want there to be

(01:12:04):
less gas heat. We want to quote unquote incentivize customers
to move away from gas. So how do those incentives work,
So they might offer rebates. They being the power company,
so Excel or Black Hills or one of the providers
of electricity might offer.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
People like me an incentive.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Even if that incentive is decent, say five maybe they
say five thousand dollars offered, three thousand dollars off. I
still don't have eighteen thousand dollars sitting around or fifteen thousand.
I mean, if I could get a heat pump for
like five bucks, fine, maybe we could go that route.
But most of us, and you know, some people would

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tune in are wealthy, and that's awesome, but don't have
that kind of money sitting around. Secondly, and this is
what the PUC doesn't want you to know. Where do
you think where do you think electricity comes from? Now?
Some of it does come from wind and solar that's awesome.
If if you live in Glenwood Spring, some of it

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comes from hydropower, it's awesome. They're trying some geothermal stuff, awesome.
There might be some nuclear facilities in our future, awesome.
But right now about forty percent of electricity comes from
natural gas. So on one hand, the PUC is like,
oh no, we can't have natural gas heat, you must

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have electric it's better for the environment. But electricity comes
from natural gas. So you want the electric companies and
the gas companies to put the squeeze on those of
us that have natural gas heat. And by squeeze, I
mean offer these incentives. Some of us aren't going to
take those incentives. Who pays for the incentives? Magic Wand

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and Governor Polis No, rate payers pay for that. So
rate payers, people who are paying for the natural gas,
are going to be paying people to get rid of
natural gas.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
That pool is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Going to get smaller, right, it's going to go from
sixty seven to maybe fifty percent of people who heat
their homes with natural gas. We now have a smaller
pool of people. That smaller pool now has to pay
for the infrastructure. So gas is going to go up
for that reason, so more there we're paying for the incentives,

(01:14:37):
We're going to be paying more for natural gas. And
if you're like me and you have a little house,
you've done a lot to bring about efficiency, you don't
have a lot of money.

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
We are screwed. Our prices are going to be going up.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
The cost to heat our house, it's going to go up,
and up and up unless the legislature acts to get
the PUC back on. Let's I turn the heat on
the PUC. I don't see any way out of this.
This is christ A Kafer. I'm sitting in for Mandy Connell.
The text line is five six six nine oh and
we will be back at a jiff. You are listening

(01:15:11):
to eight fifty koa. I'm gonna keep it short and
sweet in this particular segment. One listener that wrote in
five six six nine ohs said, remind people to give
to food banks. If you've got abundance this year, share
it with others. There are people who lost their food
and the you know, they have power outage and their
stuff went bad. I mean, things happen the people who

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are who are facing a lean Christmas and the ability
to help them out is a good thing. Also, I
want to give a thumbs up to Chunk the bear
so up in Alaska. They give a they have like
a fat bear contest. And I love bears. I love animals.
And the thing is is that social media's figure that

(01:15:56):
out about me. They know that if they even just
show a picture. Sure, I have a German shepherd. I
will linger. I will watch the video pretty much any
animal videos, and then anything having to do with horses
and German shepherds and German Shepherd mixes. I mentioned it
earlier in the show. One of my one of my
goals next year is to get a dog again. I
lost my best friend two years ago. She was a

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German Shepherd chowchow. And I know that I'm finally ready
to get another dog because I keep looking at pictures
of German Shepherd mixes and Malanois mixes and any kind
of shepherd mix.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
It was just those.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Pointy ears as smart. German Shepherds are like the best
dogs ever, and the mixes are nice too. So my
German Shepherd chowchow was not only gorgeous animal. She was smart,
she was athletic, She's independent, and she was just like
my little soul sister. And I had her for almost

(01:16:55):
thirteen years. She used to ride with me. I used
to ride horses a lot, and she trail me on horseback.
I took her hiking, She had swim with me. She
was just the best. She's just the best gal. And yeah,
I somehow, you know, social media, it learns your habits.
The algorithm algorithm that figures you out. And so if

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you're like a you know, like you're a bad person,
it'll just feed you bad.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
Stuff, like you know, racist crap and.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
All that and draw you farther and farther out in
conspiracy theories, but algorithms also work on good people. And
in my case, it's like, look, it's another picture of
a German shepherd linger on this website a little bit
longer post this picture of this German shepherd loving a kitten. Yeah,

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that's that's what I was doing over break, And of
course it was one of those posts. This time it
was about bears because I also like, really like bears,
and it was about the winner of the fat bear contest.
I think grizzly bears to get through the lawn Alaska and.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
Northern Canadian winner.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
These brown bears, these grizzly bears, they have to I
think they have to eat like a million calories between
spring and fall. And they'll eat anything anything we can
eat they can eat, so berries, meat, roots, whatever, they
eat it all.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
And there was a bear named Chunk.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Chunk had a broken jaw, so one of the major
tools for getting food was busted, and yet Chunk managed
to chunk up enough to not only survive the winner,
he also won the fat Bear contest, which is pretty awesome.
I love it. And you know, I know there's some
folks on the right that listen to the show, some

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folks on the left, some folks in the middle. My
other favorite short story for the week, and this is
for fans on the left. And also, if you're not
a huge fan of politicians naming, naming stuff after themselves,
putting their face on everything, you will also appreciate this story.

(01:19:02):
I thought it was tremendous, fantastic story. So the new
Parks Pass for National Parks has got a picture of
George Washington and a picture of Trump. Regardless of what
you think of Trump, I really don't want a politician's
face on the card. I wouldn't want Biden's on there.
I wouldn't want Obamas on there. I wouldn't want George

(01:19:22):
w Bush on there. I don't I love Reagan. I
don't even want Reagan on there. George Washington, fine, you
know Mount Rushmore, that'll work for me too. But otherwise,
on the National Parks Pass, how about you put put
like a wolf or a bear on there?

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
Come on, so there's a woman in Boulder who.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
Makes stickers of it's pictures of national parks that she's painted.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
They're beautiful and you can just if you get.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
That parks pass that has the President's face on it,
and that's not your thing, you can get one of
those stickers. It goes on there perfectly. She's in Bolder
as you can imagine. But I it's just such a
great idea. So if you dig that, come over to
my Twitter page at at Christa Kaefer.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
You'll find the article there and you can get the
link to get the sticker.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
When we get back, let's talk Christmas. Let's talk your
favorite movie, your favorite gift, your favorite song, whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
We'll do that. This is Christa Kaefer.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
I'm sitting in for Mandy Connell and you're listening to
eight fifty koa. I want to talk a little bit
about Christmas because well it's coming up and tomorrow's Christmas Eve,
so hopefully you've got everything in place to have a
good Christmas Day.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
I've got that decorations up.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
I had to. I went to a couple of concerts,
Saint Martin's Chamber, Chuire really cool Messiah sing along or
you get to like sing along to Handles Messiah. I mean,
that's pretty awesome. And yeah, it's just it's it's been good.
I want to talk a little bit about movies just
because it's an awful lot of fun and that is
best Christmas movies five six six N I know, what

(01:20:56):
are your favorite Christmas movies? I've got I've got ten,
but I just cut somebody's text at five sixty six
nine O. They like the Santa Claus and Earnest Saves Christmas.
I've forgotten about Ernest Saves Christmas. Ernest Goes to Jail
is my favorite. But Ernest Saves Christmas is a blast.

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And if you know it's silly, it's fun. If you
have a young person in your life and you're like,
I want a clean film with no like Hollywood whatever,
you know, propaganda, I want just something fun and sweet.
Ernest Saves Christmas is absolutely awesome. I agree with a
Rod that Elf is a fantastic, fun, fun film and

(01:21:41):
it's sweet. It's just so sweet, and you know it'll
get you in the mood for Christmas.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
I just watched Claus is a Netflix thing.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
Klaus, Sorry, Klaus, how dare you I ruined? It Klaus
and Klaus is. Oh, it's so sweet, and the animation
is quite nice. It's just adorable. It's just an adorable,
adorable movie. Of course, the Christmas Story you can't go
without that. It's been a few years since I've seen it,
but it's just adorable. I think it takes place in

(01:22:11):
like nineteen I don't know, thirty nine, nineteen forty somewhere
in there, and it is. It's adorable, a red one
that's a newer one. It's about a year old and
anything with the rock and it's got.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
To be great. I love I love Dwayne. He's you know,
I should have married him when I could have. He's fantastic.
Die Hard. You can't go without die Hard.

Speaker 8 (01:22:37):
Die Hard. Nope, never have, never will. Not a Christmas movie.
End of story.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
Oh, I think it's a Christmas movie.

Speaker 7 (01:22:44):
I I feel like Christmas. Does that have a Christmas spirit?

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
It does get to his family. No, it's about family.
It's about getting back to your family.

Speaker 7 (01:22:55):
Every movie about family.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
Of this Christmas movie, well, some of them are everything,
not every single one. And there's some Christmas music in it.
I think some greenery.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
I Gremlins is a Christmas movie. I would say, you're saying, no, one,
thats not a Christmas movie. Home Alone fantastic.

Speaker 8 (01:23:19):
How about some love for Home Alone two, which is
actually really good as well?

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
It is really some love that way some.

Speaker 8 (01:23:26):
Lie I might even say. Dare I say there's a
case to be made. Home Alone two is better than
Home Alone one?

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
We should watch them back to back and see, hmmm,
lethal weapon?

Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
Is this this person's favorite?

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
It is? It's got some Christmas in it, Okay, Christmas Vacation, absolutely,
Christmas my favorite. I absolutely love Bad Santa. That's my favorite.

Speaker 7 (01:23:50):
Do you the last time you watched it?

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
I watch it every.

Speaker 8 (01:23:52):
Year, And this is coming from me. From me, it's
a little, a little over the top rude.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
It is crude. It's a little rye watch. It's a
little cruise crude. I wouldn't say I think it's very funny.

Speaker 7 (01:24:07):
Did you watch the second one?

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
I won't watch it second one?

Speaker 7 (01:24:10):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
Because I don't think it has the same spirit. I mean,
the first film is a redemption movie. It's all about
a really horrible person becoming better because of the unmerited
love of a child, which is the Christmas story, right,
And he becomes a better person. He goes from being wretched,
I mean he's wretched. He goes from being wretched to okay.

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And you know, I guess I just am too familiar
with my own faults, so I I mean, I guess
that kind of captures my faith, right there is to
go from being not not cool to being redeemed. And
that that's Bad Santa. Now it is, like you said,
it's pretty crude, it's pretty ribald. Do not watch it

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with somebody over or under eighteen because there's some adult
so there's some adult.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
Behavior in it, let's put it that way.

Speaker 7 (01:25:02):
But I do.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
I watch it every Christmas. It's my favorite Christmas movie.
I will admit that, Dad Santa your favorite?

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
My favorite? Yes, oh, CHRISA, it's my favorite. I watch
it every year.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
I you know, our friend Christian who sometimes comes on,
does a lot of interesting Hollywood writings. I actually, if
you go to his website you'll see I did a
whole write up, like a whole essay on why Bad
Santa captures the meaning of Christmas? Got I say? I
also think I think National Lampoon's Christmas is good. That

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Charlie Bowen Christmas is it that captures the Christmas message
as well. I think it's pretty awesome and trading places.

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
Is pretty darn cute.

Speaker 7 (01:25:43):
Where's my love for Polar Express.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
I've never seen that.

Speaker 8 (01:25:46):
This is a weird one where they do like everyone
thinks the animation is weird. It was one of the
OG motion capture movies. It's arguably one of Tom Hanks's
best performances because he does so many roles.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
I know, he's in almost every movie, and he is wonderful.
He is wonderful. This person said it's a wonderful life
at home alone. Also, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, Back to
You Holiday Inn with Bing Crosby, Fred Astaire, Archerie Reynolds, wonderful,
just a wonderful time at.

Speaker 8 (01:26:18):
Christmas, since nobody else has said it yet. One of
the OG's for me, my childhood favorite meer called miser
a Year without a Santa Claus. Huh, haven't seen it?
Have you ever seen the stop motion? Not the stop
motion the motion, No, it is stop motion of the
Rudolph movie like the claymation.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
Yeah, yeah, the original The Year without a Santa Claus.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
That scene, Okay, I'm like toally Eddy the Yeddie in
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
Let's see.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
This person says The Three Godfathers. The recent one is
too much. I guess there's two versions of it, Violent night.
It's fun but gory, great Christmas spirit. This person says
The Snowman. I hear The Snowman's pretty good. I think
I've seen the book. I do love that. I do

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love that Charlie Brown Christmas and yeah, I just think
it's a It's a cool movie. I what else some
other films five six six nine, Oh, favorite music too.

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
I got admit.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
I love the old fashioned stuff, you know, the big choir,
Joy to the world, Hark the herald angels sing, God
Rest you Mary, gentlemen.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
Like that's all good.

Speaker 7 (01:27:35):
I had to.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
I worked at a mall when I was a teenager,
and if you work at the mall, I mean there's
got to be a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
Maybe I blame it because I went to a period
where I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
Was an atheist from about seventeen to about twenty three.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
And I think what sparked that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Honestly, was working the Christmas season at the mall. Not
just the rude customers, but the endless loop of five
genuinely horrible Christmas songs over and over again. It's the other,
the Hawaiian one.

Speaker 7 (01:28:10):
My favorite Christmas song, you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
Just okay, it's lovely, Okay, let's skip that. Walking around
the Christmas tree it's awful, man. All I want is
a hyppopotamus. That one all I went is my two phones.
It's all of these awful songs like the sixties.

Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
Absolutely, that's what's all about. Those are the best.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
I hate those songs, Chris and the then, and then
there's that one I gave my heart, I gave it away.
Yet it's these horrible songs and they play them on
an endless loop, so you hear the same five songs
for your entire nine Chris, I wanted by the end
of the Christmas I want to like jam a pen

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in my ear and never hear it again.

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
It was hard.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
I mean, if they have been playing traditional, beautiful Christmas music, I.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Could have lived with that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
But rocking around the Christmas tree, what's the one with
a female singer.

Speaker 5 (01:29:08):
Like I can't remember?

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
It's yeah, it's genuinely awful. I guess it's good.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
I don't say it on the air. I could probably
cause somebody to wreck their car.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
This person says the ref I have to admit the
breath is pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
It's a great life. No, it's a wonderful life.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
And Rudolph Rudolph is what you were thinking of to
stop action things. Yeah, so yeah, I gave my heart
to some Next year, I'll give my heart to someone new.

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
I hate that song.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
It's awful, Yeah, it's I think it's actually why I
lost my faith is having to listen to those five
songs over and over and over again, and Felice Navidad
over and over again, combined with angry entitled Last Minute Shoppers.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
It was, uh, it was brutal. It was absolutely brutal.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Let's see, does Steve fidellis that's an awesome song. I
like that Mannheim Steamroller, classic classic stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
I think there's uh, there's definitely some music that is
I just never want to hear again. There's one, Yeah,
I wish I could think of that. Never mind anyway,
Best Christmas movies, best Christmas songs, and if you want
to say.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Best Christmas gift, I'll take that as well. Five six six,
n I know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
And for those of you who are just tuning in,
you're like, why is she talking about Christmas music. Well,
it's it's just around the corner. Christmas is coming. And secondly,
we already did hit some pretty heavy topics earlier in
the show, and I want to go off on a
light note. So yeah, we did. We talked about censorship
first Amendment, talked about the PUC's action to drive up

(01:30:52):
our gas bills, and so, yeah, we're gonna talk a
little bit about Christmas. This person said, Blue Christmas by Elvis.

Speaker 5 (01:31:02):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
OMG, Chris, you're my long lost soul mate.

Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
I hate those songs too. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
White Christmas is nice. It's the George Michael song is
one of the ones that is the worst. I gave
my heart, you gave it away. Next year, I'll give
it to someone special. If you're working the word special
into a song, you know it's.

Speaker 5 (01:31:23):
Got to be pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
Christmas chronicles. This person likes that is their movie. And
this person says, and I get this one hundred percent.
Is the uh nothing will ruin Christmas like working at
a post office at Christmas time.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Yeah, I get that. And so I just packaged up
some cookies.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
I'm gonna put them in my mailbox for tomorrow so
that my postman or woman gonna have a little cookies. So, yeah,
you got to cut these people some slack. And if
you're rude because you're under pressure and you realize that
you were kind of rude, call them the next day
or go back after Christmas and apologize. Otherwise that person

(01:32:04):
is going to learn to hate Christmas the way I did. Now,
I did recover my love of Christmas. Sometime later. I
recovered my faith sometime later. I'm not an atheist anymore.
I'm a Christian. But I do blame that five song
reel that I had to hear from my entire eight
or nine hour.

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
Shift, day after day for my loss of faith.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
It pretty much nearly killed it. This person says, last year,
I never got to hear Felisa Navidad. I've only heard
it once. You know, it's actually kind of a cue song.
I have to admit. This person wants to remind you
a rod that Diehard has owed to joy in it.
He's not convincing it, He's not convinced. This person says

(01:32:50):
Midlay clear as a World War two movie about Germans
and Americans stopping the fight to come together and celebrate
Christmas for one night without fighting.

Speaker 5 (01:33:01):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Crampis. I kind of like Crampus. I want to go
up to one of the Scandinavian countries and see the
Crampist festivals where they dress up. It looks pretty darn awesome.
Let's see Rock and Rudolph. Oh, good grief, that is
the worst.

Speaker 7 (01:33:20):
Ugh.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
This person says Sagar's version of Little Drummer Boy. I
don't know if that's I assume that person loves that.
I have mixed feelings about Little Drummer Boy. It was
it was written in the seventeenth century, so there's actually
a pretty old song. But I just think a woman
has just given birth in a manger, you know, in
the hay, and kind of the last thing she really

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needs is a drum solo.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
I'm just saying that's why I have mixed feelings about
the song.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
But it is kind of sweet. It is about giving
what you have, and you know, if you don't have
great gifts to bring, bring what you have. That's all
God wants. So this person recommends a movie called Ice Harvest.
It's a dark comedy about a mob accountant who steals
a million dollars at Christmas time. It stars John Cusack,

(01:34:09):
Billy Bob Thornton, Randy Quaid, Oliver Platt, Connie Nielsen, and
Harold Raymis is its last movie. I have to check
it out because I do like me a dark comedy. Oh,
sand to Baby is the worst. A rod has got
to agree with that one sand sand to Baby, Yeah

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it is. Oh, they were awful, awful, awful songs, awful songs.
Christmas in Connecticut Original Miracle on thirty fourth Street is
a big, big fan of those. This person says love
came down at Christmas is her favorite. Love all thet's

(01:34:49):
see love, love all lovely love, divine love was born
at Christmas. Star and Angel gave the sign that's lovely.
This person says, I got my faith, still have some
PTSD for working at the post office at Christmas.

Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
Yeah, I totally, I totally get it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
It is because if you're around people who were rude,
and I just remember people were horribly rude at times,
and I worked I worked retail all through college, and yeah,
between the Christmas, the five Christmas songs played back to
back on a continuous reel, plus the attitude of certain people,

(01:35:28):
it just made you think, you know, I'm going to
move to a Muslim country. I'm out of here.

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
But I did recover my love of Christmas.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
I now have. I've got the core. I go to concerts,
I like to carol. I'm looking forward to Christmas Eve
service all that. I like all the things. But there
was a time when I really didn't want you any one,
didn't want much to do about it because of the
just what you have to go through if you work retail.

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This person says, white Christmas. The movie was bing Crosby
and then let's see this person is a little critical
of a rod as I am about discounting. Die Hard says, uh,
there's Christmas all over that movie, and it's an amazing movie.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
To boot agree, it's really good. It's really good.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Let's see the Wham Christmas song. Yeah, I I it's terrible.
That's the Yeah, that's the George Michael one. It's awful.
And then there's the who's the it's the female singer
All I Want for Christmas? It's like and all I
Want for you know, he's your love kind of song?
Does that sound familiar? Mariah Carey? That is the worst

(01:36:39):
song ever. Now, when to Marilyn Manson, did this the
Beautiful People song. Somebody took those two songs infused them
into one song and one video, and it kind of
redeems it. Have you seen it? Yeah, it's it's exactly
what Mariah Carey needed.

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
Was just a dose. I'm Marilyn Manson.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
He kind of cancels it out.

Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
A Christmas Carol animated with Jim Carrey playing Scrooge, deck
the Halls, Christmas with the Cranks. Let's see what about
the song Grandma Got run Over by a Reindeer?

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
I actually I think I hate that song. I hate
that song. Oh you're just putting your head down. You
like all the junkie songs. I think something's been lost
between A Rod and I. Best song of the best
version of the Drummer Boy is Bob Seeger or Being

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and Bowie. I have to admit the bing Crosby and
David Bowie do what is beautiful? That might be something
that A Rod and I can can't agree on.

Speaker 7 (01:37:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
So, and I just see that my cousin he had
the comment about Grandma got right over. Came from my cousin, Hello, cousin. Yeah, anyway,
it's been a great show. It's been great being back
on the air. And I really appreciate everyone who tunes in.

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
I know that when you tune.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
In to see you to hear your favorite person, Mandy Connell,
who is awesome. It is always a little disappointing to
have a guest host. I remember back when I used
to listen to Rush Limbaugh every day. I was like, no,
not the guest host, even if the.

Speaker 5 (01:38:31):
Guest host was pretty decent.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
So I appreciate everybody hanging by me. If if you
want a little more Christa Kaifer, check out my substack
at substack dot com. It also check me out on
You can find me on the Denver Post. That's where
I write. And uh yeah, I've got a Facebook page,
I've got a Twitter page. I have a kind of
inactive Instagram, you know. I I just can't bring myself

(01:38:56):
to do like a third social media. Occasionally I post there.

Speaker 7 (01:39:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
I just don't think I'm cool enough to be honest.
A couple more songs before we hit the break, and
it's the big break, and then it won't be back on.
I won't be on tomorrow, but I will be back
all right. Before I'll be back on Christmas, no Thanksgiving,
no Halloween. No. I will be back on New Year's
Eve in a week or so. So you could say

(01:39:23):
it's going to be a big break from this voice.
A couple other songs. Prancer is a wonderful Christmas movie.
Friday after Next, the three quel to Ice Cubes Friday and.

Speaker 5 (01:39:35):
The Next Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Interesting. This person says, I work retail part time, so
I get the issue. However, I have yet to hear
the classic Deck the Halls from any artists. Yes, Deck
the Halls is wonderful, absolutely wonderful. This person loves the
song called we Need a Little Christmas. Love that song too.

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This person loves the movie Christmas Carol that had Patrick
Stewart as Scrooge. Is the most amazing rendition of that story.
You know, favorite song, I'm gonna I kind of I
just love God, Rest you merry, gentlemen. I don't know why,
I just do an O little town of Bethlehem. Can

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we find some agreement there? Erd good time? Any of
the classics? Oh, well, there you go. Hannil's Messiah pretty awesome.
H Well, I guess we can't be friends, but that's okay.

(01:40:40):
Is doing a wonderful job as a as a as
making the show happen, being the producer, and of course
thank you Mandy Connell for letting me sub for you,
and thanks to everyone who listened in today.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
I hope you all had an absolutely marry Mary, merry Christmas,
and that you find something, whether it's a cheesy song
from the fifties.

Speaker 6 (01:41:03):
Or or.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
A gospel story or bad Santa, or something that lifts your.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
Spirits and may the day, May the day be bright.
This is Christa Kaefer.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
I've been sitting in for Mandy Connell and you're listening
to eight fifty koa