12-31-25 FULL SHOW - Krista Kafer Fills In For Mandy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Mandy Connell Show is sponsored by Belle and Pollock
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
No, it's Mandy Connell and.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
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prey by Connell Keeping No, sad.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Babe, and good afternoon. This is Christy Cafer. I am
sitting in for Mandy Connell and uh, it's great to
hear John's voice earlier.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
John is Uh, he's got a great voice. He sounds terrific.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Anyway, if you're just hearing this voice for this for
the very very first time. Well, a little bit of radio,
a little bit of television mostly though I'm a Denver
Post columnist.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
I've got a sub stack if you want to read
it there as well.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
I'm on Twitter at at Christy Kafer both ks, and
I'm some times on Colorado Inside Out. It's the program
that if you're not watching it, you are missing out. Yes,
it's on Channel twelve, and yeah, Channel twelve is not
just reruns of Doctor Who Come on. Head on over
to Channel twelve on Friday evenings at eight o'clock. You

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can also catch us online as we do like a
YouTube version. Anyways, It's just it's just a lot of
fun and it's you know, people give some opinions, it's
only a half hour long, nobody talks over each other.
It's you know, it's pretty cool. And what else can
I say about myself? I'm I'm a Colorado native. I

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could say hi in like thirty five languages, you know,
which is kind of a cool party trick.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
And yeah, that's about it. That's about me. Anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
I want to say thank you to Grant for helping
me behind the glass.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
And you know what we're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
We are we are going to touch on politics a
little bit, but mostly we're going to talk about twenty
twenty five, you know, kind of what we're leaving behind
and also what we've got ahead of us in twenty
twenty six. It could not start sooner. I have to admit,
this was a really crummy year for me, and I'm happy,
happy to say goodbye to it. But yeah, we're gonna

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review top news stories, top trends, best movies, best books,
who passed away, and then talk about what's new in
your predictions?

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Five six, six, N I O.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yeah, I actually read like fifty books this year. Now,
most of them were murder mysteries. I will confess there
were some good some good nonfiction in there as well.
But I managed to burn through all of Cjbox's books,
like thirty five of them in five months. I read
them on on the library's audible connection, so they were
read to me, and they are some of the best

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books out there. So you're looking for a taste of
a good Western writer who writes about murder mysteries, has
great characters.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
I highly recommend.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Cjbox, and I know some of sometimes there are signal
goes over the border into Wyoming, and so yeah, if
you're in Wyoming, Wyoming, where I'm pretty sure he lives,
all the more so. But anyone who's from the West
will appreciate Cjbox.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
So let's start off with people who have died.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
I know, it's a kind of a sad way to
start the show, and then we'll well on over to.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
The lighter side.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
If I forget anyone definitely messaged messaged me at five.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Nine nine six.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Oh. So Ben Nighthouse Campbell, Senator passed away in the
last couple of days, and I met his.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Wife when I worked on Capitol Hill. She was and
I assume still is quite the class act. I liked
Ben Nighthorse Campbell.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
I know if you're if you're a Democrat out that
you're probably a little bit sore that he switched parties
midway through. And I you know, what if the shoe
were on the other foot, if it was a Republican
who jumped ship and became.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
A Democrat, I'd be irritated too. So I get it.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
But I think he was really cool from a just
kind of cool style wise, and I think he I
think he represented Colorado pretty well when he was a
Democrat and when he was a Republican. I like the
fact that he's the only Native American to ever serve
in the Senate.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yes, dad was Native American. I don't remember the tribe,
and Sue maybe and mother I.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Believe was Portuguese. But he was a master jeweler.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
He was a judo like a judo expert.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
In fact, he actually saves strom sermon. That guy was
like ninety something still serving in the Senate. He did
eventually retire. I think he may have died in office.
He was like ninety two years old and still leered
at women. I know, because he looked me up and
down back then. I was probably worth looking up and

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down to a degree. We're talking like thirty years ago.
But he was an interesting character.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
He I don't know how.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Many wives he had had, but he definitely appreciated appreciated women.
And he was older than dirt. But anyway, he got
attacked by a homeless dude on the steps.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
I was either the.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Steps of the Capitol or the steps of one of
the Senate buildings. And lo and behold ben Nighthorse. Campbell
stepped in with his judo moves and saved Stromther, which
is pretty darn awesome. I was sad to see that.
George Foreman, the great boxer. Also, you know, I have
a Foreman grill who doesn't right, can't always get out

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there and grill on the barbie. But you can use
your indoor grail, your George Foreman.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
So yeah, he passed away.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Jane Goodall, the scientist who studied apes, and you know,
her favorite animal was not apes. Her favorite animal was
not chimpanzees. Her favorite animal was dogs, which just happens
to be my favorite animal as well. Bridget Bardow, another
big animal person somebody talking about, you know, just taking
care of.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Animals, treating him well.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Robert Redford actor Ozzy Osbourne singer, Diane Keaton actress. Of course,
Charlie Kirk way way way too young, murdered and that
guy's going to prison for the rest of his life.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
But he left.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, Charlie Kirk left a widow and two kids and
it was only in his early thirties, so really tragic.
Rfk's niece.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
I can't think of her name right now. She passed
away this week of cancer thirty four. I hate it.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I think we all want to live to be in
our like eighties and nineties. It just saddens me when
somebody dies in their thirties was so much ahead of them.
Pope Francis passed away at a ripe old age. Gene Hackman,
also a ripe old age. Val Kilmer passed away. Rob
Reiner murdered by his son. A great producer of movies.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Dick Cheney. I met Dick Cheney No. Ten twelve years ago.
I just think he was an interesting man, and I.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Think his wife is just amazing, Liz Cheney, not Liz Cheney,
Lynn Cheney. And then I absolutely adore his daughter, Liz Cheney,
who I've never met.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
I just think she's an amazing, amazing woman.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Just you know, a brave willing to do what's necessary,
strike an independent path. As far as I'm concerned, she's
a lioness among pussycats.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
And I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
The angry tweets are going to come in. Bring it
five six five nine, So five six sixth nine. Oh,
I think I gave the wrong Twitter. It's five six
sixth nine. Oh, sorry about that. I think I said
five nine ninety six. So I'm getting the old I
gonna say. But yeah, five six six nine.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Anyone passed away that you thought, hey, that just you know,
this is somebody who's going to be missed.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
I feel sad that Faith Winners, one of.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Our legislators here in Colorado, passed away in a drunken
driving accident. And yeah, she shouldn't have been drying, you know,
driving and drinking.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Nobody should.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
But as I've got friends that struggle with substance abuse,
some are some are on the wagon, some are off.
They're good people, and from from everything I've heard, she
was a really good person, obviously struggling.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
With with with alcohol. And I was just she was young,
just younger than me. She's like forty five.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
So I think it's just I don't know anyone who dies,
you know, when good people die in their thirties and
forties or twenties or or younger, it just just makes
me a little sad. Awwesome, you said, Christa, you are
still beautiful considering all you can do is hear my voice.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
I Uh, I appreciate that. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Let's see anybody else that I have overlooked.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Anyone say you sound like Delilah? You mean Delah? Yeah,
you know, I honestly think that I could.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I could definitely be a smooth jazz and welcome back
to Smooth Jazz with Krista Kaefer.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
You are listening to what I have? Uh? One of
us the Social Social Club.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, there's I have the worst time remembering the names
of artists, so maybe not, maybe that would not be
a good choice for me. Listen Ralph in black Forest, John,
thanks for hosting. Love your columns and shows, so yes, John,
if you're still tuning in, Yeah, I enjoy John's columns
as well. Hope you're enjoying my columns as well. Denver

(09:31):
Post Sunday morning right now. The latest one is up
on my Twitter Twitter account. If you go online you
can get it over at Denver Post dot com also
reprint those columns on Thursday, usually on my substack. You
go there substack dot com just a little uh, a
little infomercial there. So did I miss anybody, anyone who

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passed away?

Speaker 5 (09:55):
I was grieved to learn that.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Ben Sas, former senator from Nebraska, has has said that
he has stage four cancer. I've got like seven friends
right now with cancer, all different ages, some in their eighties,
some in their thirties. It's interesting. My dad passed away
from cancer. My mom beat cancer. It's a lot of

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people get cancer. What I think is awesome is that
it was a death sentence one hundred years ago.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Fifty years ago, you.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Could get lucky with a lot of radiation, some surgery,
and a lot of chemo, people could beat it. But
you had basically two options with cancer, full on remission.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Or death.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Nowadays, though, it actually can be treated for certain types
of cancer as a chronic condition. So I have one
friend who's had a type of cancer for ten years
and it's maintained. He can't get rid of it, but
he's not necessarily going to die from it. I have
another friend in a similar situation with a brain tumor.
It may eventually take her life, but right now it's

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just kind of hanging in there. But every day I
pray for these folks. And actually I thinks I just
got a message. This was Tatiana Schlosberg. Because I should
put on my reading glasses. JFK's great granddaughter. She was

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a critic of her, of her her grandpa understandable and
she which I think a lot of us are. But
it's like that she died so young is heartbreaking to me.
And it is a reminder that even if we've come
as far as we've come, people are still dying of cancer.

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I've got a number of friends under treatment and pray
for them every day and hope for the best.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Here's somebody who said, I didn't die, So that's a
win for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yes, whoever you are and whatever you suffered through, I'm
glad you're alive. Somebody was saying the other day they
were sort of like peeling off the awesome things they
did this last year, and I was like, huh, I'm alive.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
I'm gonna take that as the win. I can't. I
can't honestly think of anything. Oh. I won an award
for one.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Of my columns, best humorous column writing.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
That kind of made my day.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
But other than that, it making it through was the win.
And I'm gonna go ahead and take it. This person
says Michael Madson passed away, and yes, you do have
a jazz DJ voice.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
I thank you.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
And next up Ben Webster on the trumpet. I don't know, Yeah, anyway,
i'd have to. I do like Jazz's something.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I play in the background when I'm writing.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah. A lot of folks, a lot of good folks
passed away. Gil Gerard, who played Buck Rogers, Yes, yes,
I did watch Buck Rogers back in the eighties.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
And it is a very strange thing.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
I think in my mind, I was like, I'm always
thirty five. I'm not thirty five. But the weirdest aging
is weird. There's not a lot of good things about it.
I'll say that much. But watching your icons, the people
you grew up watching in the nineteen eighties, watching them

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slowly succumb.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Is painful.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
I mean Robert Redford, Ian Keaton, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
It is painful. Chad. The chance the.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Thinker passed away fishful? Is that what it says thinker
passed away this year? Yeah, that's another one. So yeah,
keep it coming. I don't want to miss anyone. If
you've got a thought five six six nine, O, do
let me know. I yeah, I just it's just strange.

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It's a strange mental exercise to watch the people you know.
First it's your you know, the first wave is you know, grandparents,
great aunts, great uncles, and then next it's your aunts
and your uncles. It's the people that you watched in
your formative years on television, or some of your singers,
I mean Ozzy Osbourne, fantastic. Yeah, just the fact that

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he's gone this makes me sad. Grant, can you think
of anyone I'm missing? No, all right, he's still a
young guy. So if the people he grew up watching
probably are still still got a few miles left.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
Let's hope.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Let's see this person, says June Lockhart.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Passed away. Very sad.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Also, good health is a temporary thing, a quote by
Mark Twain.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
If you're in good health, count your blessings because it's
only a matter of time you either die or you
fall apart. There's two things that I do like about
growing older, and these are the I think probably the
only two.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
One, I don't care.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
You know, I'll put on the sweatpants, I'll put on
no makeup, I'll go to the grocery store, don't I
don't care. And the second thing is I get to
call everybody hun, which I love. I spend some time
in Baltimore, the land of hun. If you are from Baltimore,
Ben Baltimore, you know what I'm talking about. Everyone calls
every one hunt. But now I get to just call

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every one hunt. And you know, most people don't know
the Baltimore thing, but they think, oh, middle aged woman,
late middle aged.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Yeah, she didn't call me hun. It's cool. So yeah,
I do have a Tennessee to call people hunt and yan.
I love it.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Let's see Ace Freeley from Kiss. Yes, another one of
the great rockers passed away. Sly Stone aka Sylvester Stewart
passed away again, another great rocker. Let's see Oh, Hulk Hogan.
I know, I just it's just it's hard to believe.

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It's hard to believe.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
This person says in you're in Ohio.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
I watched a guy, Steve Baker on wh WHBO TV,
and he died this morning at the age of seventy nine.
He was one of the good ones back in the
eighties and nineties when legacy media was well and respected
and trusted. Yeah, you know, there was a time when
we all listened to the same programs and we all
watched the same shows. And you know what, TV is

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a thousand times better than it used to be in
terms of plotting.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Special effects.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
I can't watch anything with canned laughter in it, so
it's got can laughter, I'm out. But I mean, you
look at a show like Game of Thrones, that's like
movie quality television compared to say, you know, not crossing
genres here, but like eight is enough.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
I'm a big sci fi gal. I love sci fi.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Sci Fi is so much better because we're not limited to,
you know, stop action.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Kinds of things.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
I mean, Star Trek and Doctor Who did well with
what they had to work with. But nowadays you can
really develop movies and televisions television shows to reflect the
brilliance of sci fi books.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
And I just think that's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Rob Reiner mentioned him earlier, great producer murdered by his son,
who I think was having a drug fueled mental break,
and I can't think of anything.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Or tragic if he was seventy eight.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
If he had died of a heart attack, people would
be sad, his family would be grieving, but it would
be it'd be like a clean wound. Right when my
dad died of cancer, I still miss him. I had
a wonderful dad, but it was a clean wound in
the sense that, even though it's still aches, it's not infected.

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And I think when people die under really horrendous circumstances,
it leaves the young ones with an infected wound that
you know, how do you forgive your brother for murdering
your father?

Speaker 5 (18:38):
Do you stay? You know, bitter? To you die? Do
you forgive? How do you do that? So I feel bad.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
I feel really bad for those who who are who
are facing that in that family. Giorgio Armani, the great
designer George went Norm from Cheers, Ma'll come ja mal
Wiener winer.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
No werner, dang it, I could have Okay, I'm puting
my reading glasses on. Nobody can see me.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Let's see, we've got some other folks, uh coming in
with some some very very good suggestions. I want to
read them off, so definitely keep them coming. Six' nine
five six six nine, oh and we're gonna take a
quick break out when we get back this plus top
headlines from last. Year keep it, coming. Folks this Is Christa.

(19:33):
Kayfer i'm sitting in For Mandy connell hanging out With
grant on eight FIFTY koa to the person who said
don't diss eight is enough in the, beginning it was
a great family.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Comedy you, know you got to point.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
There you're, right some of these old eighties, things they,
were in their own, right pretty good.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Entertainment i'm just, SAYING i think WE i just think
we've gone with. This you. KNOW i don't Think i've
watched LIVE tv.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
And don't know how many, years but on the streaming
services there is some amazing. Stuff AND i don't watch
a lot OF, tv maybe a half hour a. Day
maybe this YEAR i Watched, upload WHICH i thought was pretty, Entertaining,
reacher WHICH i, loved and we'll probably watch it, again
And i'm going to Rewatch fallout because there's a new

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like a new season Of fallout and it's such a
complicated and interesting plot THAT i need a little. Refresher but,
Yeah i'll of, it start stuff and Then I'll i'll
just get bored and THEN i stop watching And i'm
like the worst, fan absolute worst. Fan that, SAID i
do a lot of books on, tape AND i do
a lot of short, videos LIKE i am a sucker

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for dog, videos videos that Have kappa bears or, otters
people finishing, houses. People right, Now i'm really into abandoned
buildings BECAUSE i don't know.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
WHY i just love abandoned. BUILDINGS i have.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Occasionally been known to go into an abandoned build out
of just intense. Curiosity we don't have a lot of
them around, here but if you go down, south there's
all kinds of creepy abandoned, buildings, houses lots filled with
cars of dead. RVs it's like being in a zombie.
Movie AND i am, overwhelmed AND i mean, overwhelmed driven

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to at least look in the, window like there's just
something about these crumbling structures that.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
JUST i don't, KNOW i just find. IT i find it.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Irresistible so, yeah but you, know ALSO i watched plenty
of short.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
JONK i, YEAH i don't want to be, like, oh just,
SO i only, read, NO i have mystery books read to,
me AND i watch a lot of short.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
VIDEOS i also read a lot, too but it's boring,
stuff So i'm not getting into.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
It let's see.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
SOUL a soul artist known As DiAngelo passed relatively, young
only in his. Fifties baseball fans will know we Lost
Ryan Sandberg hall Of famer And Bob.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
Yuker he's In heaven's front. Row.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah DID i not say production? Value oh MAYBE i
said something.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Else.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Apologies there's something about the improv extemporaneous format.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
That allows for the occasional. Booboo BUT i do.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
APPRECIATE i want to get it, wrong, definitely let me.
Know five six six. Nineer so we're talking a little
bit about people have passed away over the last, year
AND i think by far the most tragic of those
would be not Just Charlie, kirk but also the murderer
of the Two minnesota, Lawmakers Melissa hertman And Mark, hurtman

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of they were.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Lawmakers they were murdered.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
By the murder for political, reasons just Like Charlie kirk.
Was so there are some there's some evil people out
there who don't want to engage in productive. Conversation they
want to shut it down by shutting down the, speaker
and the worst of them do it with a. Bullet,

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so you, KNOW i think ABOUT i think About, kirk
AND i think about the two.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Lawmakers.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
It, yeah it's just. Sad i'm glad we don't have
more of. IT i remember a friend of mine about
twenty years, ago used to be as she worked, for
not The Peace, corps but a private organization doing doing
economic development In. Cambodia AND i remember her, saying, yeah

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she knew it was election time because she could hear
bullets being. Fired it's it's remarkable how much violence human
beings are capable of and how much.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Of it we are spared here.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
By you, know we've got a you, know rest of
relatively safe, country but still people do get, killed and
it is it, is it is. Tragic other headlines from this, year,
obviously we have been new.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Administration trump took, office a new.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Pope Pope leo The, leo The leo the, thirteenth no.
Fourteenth apologies to The. POPE i always just have a
hard time with Those roman. Numerals i'm glad we're not
using them as. Much let's, see there were the floods In.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Texas another big. Headline we have a kind of quasi
piece In, gaza WHICH i think is.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
AWESOME i would like for it to be a real,
piece a lasting piece that part of the world Between
palestinians And, israelis and a piece that is is is long,
lasting though we will.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
SEE i think it's.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Possible AND i say that because there are parts of
the world that we think of as peaceful. NOW i,
mean nobody if somebody said to, you, Hey i've got.
It you want to go To i've got you go To,
germany you can go To, holland you can go.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
To, Austria.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Croatia there's you, Know i'm just gonna give you this
wonderful package deal To Central europe Or Southern europe or
anywhere In. Europe, hey do you want to? Go you
wouldn't think twice of. It you'd be, like that's, Awesome
i'll take my.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Kids. Right there was a time we just.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Rolled the clock back a little bit when that part
of the world Was you didn't take a vacation In
germany Or poland or any of those. Countries i'm thinking
much of the last. Century but, ALSO i, mean can
you imagine a.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Thirty Years World?

Speaker 4 (25:41):
War, yeah there have been times in places that we
now think of as perfectly safe that were embroiled in.
War you, know we had our own civil war. Here
there was a time when a trip to you, know somebody, said, hey,
yeah do you want to go To, Augusta.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
Georgia yess the it would have been, no are you
out of your?

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Mind so the fact that there isn't peace there now
doesn't mean that there can't.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Be peace there in the. Future my hopes are.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Also with The ukrainians in their uphill battle against the
Aggressor russia And Vladimir.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Putin so let's see what. Else See minnesota fraud.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Story, yeah a little embarrassing there for The democratic governor
that the individuals, bilked many of, them though not, all
immigrants bilked the government out of a lot of.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Money And i'm not talking really the, government talking about.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
The taxpayer built the taxpayer out of a lot of.
Money for those that Are, AMERICANS i hope they go
to prison for a very long, time some of that
money is.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
Recouped for those who.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Are here as guests of this, country as, IMMIGRANTS i
hope they're sent back To. Somalia, honestly AND i don't
say that. Lightheartedly it's a very tough part of the.
World but if you can To america to commit. Crime
it's time for you to go. Home, yeah not without due.
Process there's a way to do, it the right way

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to do. It but if you came, here built the,
taxpayer you got to go. Home you could serve some
time here and then you get to go. Home let's
see the twenty twenty five midterm elections or off your.
Elections next year's midterm off your Election democrats did really.

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Well does that poortend.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Something for next?

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Year i'll throw that question out there at, five, six,
six nine to. Zero we're talking about things that happened this.
Year but of course what happens this year simply sows
the seeds in many respects for what might happen next.
Year we also had The No king's, protests which you.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
KNOW i think everybody's got.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
A right to, protest AND i think it's actually it's
probably a civic. Duty i've been to a lot of
pro life protests. Myself as long as you clean up after,
YOURSELF i think protests they're a great. Idea get out,
there get your opinion. Known as you, know in my
COLUMN i did criticize some aspects of that. PROTEST i just.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Didn't think the dinosaur costumes were a. Win that's just.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Me but, yeah if you don't like what a regime is,
doing what a presidency or an administration is, doing get
out there in protest and be grateful that we can
do it in this. Country there's a reason people don't
protest In moscow because you don't go home from that.
Protest that's.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Why so, actually we're gonna take a little bit of
a break.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Here and this person's Like minnesota fraud a little.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
EMBARRASSING i was being a little.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Sarcastic it's a lot embarrassing and hopefully spells the end
to the governor's.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Career, there because it's pretty.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Sad, anyway we're gonna take a quick break when we get,
back more of your ideas of top headlines for the,
year people who have passed that you, miss and what
is it portend for next.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Year this Is Christy.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Kafer i'm sitting in For Mandy connell and you're listening.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
To eight FIFTY. Koa, yeah we've lost lost some good
folks this.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Year and you, know some some lived a good long
life and that and that's. Good other, people, uh you,
know passed away. Early i'm Thinking Charlie kirk for, example
or here In colorado phaith, winners people who've passed away too,
soon too. Soon, anyway we did get a new pope this.

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YEAR I i liked the last. ONE i liked the
last couple of. POPES i. Am i'd like to Say
i'm Not, catholic BUT i could. Be i'm a member
of a Local lutheran, church but IF i was not
a member, THERE i could Go.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Catholic i've been a mass a. LOT i like, it
AND i, UH i ACTUALLY i love The Catholic, Church
SO i h, YEAH i could definitely go in. That
AND i hope That Pope leo the fourteenth will we'll
up serve in that leadership role in a way that
really really helps the church across the. Board.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Uh you, know, Uh, Protestant orthodox And. Catholic we're all
brothers and sisters and we need good leaders to uh
to shepherd the.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Flocks so we'll see how he. Does what else is big?
News you?

Speaker 4 (30:28):
KNOW i wondering IS i want to say, That, adam
but Appreciation i've been as you, know if you've heard
me before read my, columns.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
You KNOW i can be pretty critical of the. President
BUT i do appreciate.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
THIS i feel like he and a number of other
people are really pulling us away from the gender madness
that is infected a lot of people and a lot
of things over the last couple of.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Years AND i.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Appreciate his leadership on, that appreciate the leadership of others
who are. Involved and by, THAT i mean it's time
for boys to get out of girls'. Sports it's time
for men to get out of women's. Sports it's you,
know there's there are there are there are places where
men and women can, physically you, know play.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Together it's.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
FINE i was on the chess team in high.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
School, yeah that, nerdy that, nerdy and you KNOW i
was the only girl on the team AND i was
one of the top.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Players is, great you know when it comes to you,
know a female race car driver can do. Fine a
female women, jockeys women do very well in dressage and
different horse events that don't require great physical. Strength SO
i appreciate that. That you know that we have male

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sports and female sports for a. Reason and even a
guy who's taking women's hormones is still going to benefit
from years of testosterone and heavier muscularture and heavier bone
mass so getting. THAT i think we're starting out here In,
colorado necessarily unfortunately because the leadership. Here BUT i think
as a, nation we're starting to rethink the idea that

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biological sex doesn't mean. Anything it does mean. Things and
as a, WOMAN i have the right to associate with
other women when it comes to, sports when it comes
to when it comes to bathrooms locker, ROOMS i have
a right to associate with other.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
WOMEN i. DON'T i just don't want to see a
dude in the. Bathroom, now it is what it.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
IS i think if you are in if you have
a store or a gym or someplace where a lot
of men who are living as women or women who
are living as men want to use the, facilities having
a gender free bathroom where they can have a privacy
and safety is. Fine BUT i need to have my

(32:55):
own female only bathroom as. Well AND i don't want
to deny them access to, facilities but they need to
be separate from.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Mine fair is.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Fair so, uh let's see a couple of interesting things
coming in over the.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Wire we get.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Back let's talk a little bit about not just events that,
happened but, trends and we'll do a little little, forecasting
SO i to talking about what you think will happen next,
year for good or for. Bad we're listening right now
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Speaker 4 (34:15):
In we're talking a little bit about just stuff that
happened in twenty twenty five and also kind OF i
think we can think about what's going to happen next.
YEAR a few, predictions keep them, coming five six' six
nineer got a couple of really good texts that came
in during the during, the break and if you want
to WHAT am i doing during, The break i'm either

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looking at.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
Dog Pictures or i'm Talking to grant.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Or bows My new year's resolution is to get, a
DOG and I.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Think i'm gonna be ready.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
For it about six months my Best, friend bacon her Name.
Was bacon she passed away like two and a half.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Years AGO and i. GRIEVED hard i. Raised her she
was like six weeks OLD when i.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Got her She was german shepherd, chow chow which is
like the perfect combination Like husky.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
German shepherd. YOU know i just.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
LOVE that i like dogs that look like, wolves basically
And so i'm looking to get something similar in the
next couple. Of months did have a really fun, foster
Dog a PITNICKS that i got home for. LAST year
i love pities, for sure that's a. GREAT breed I Love,
CANE corso's i love any of your big. Guarding breeds
but my, my heart my heart is with. The shepherds,

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So yeah i've been looking at, rescue sites treaming big
and That's a THAT'S what i was doing during.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
The break but alas we are back and we got in.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Some fantastic, fantastic TEXTS so i want to respond.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
TO them a couple are about people have.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
PASSED away a couple of them are about JUST something i,
approached slightly, which is do you you know one THING
that i do appreciate About the? Trump administration and if
you've if you've heard this voice before or read The things,
I've written i've.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Been, pretty CRITICAL but i would like to SAY that.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
I appreciate his leadership on this in that we really
shan't shouldn't have women and men on the same team
when it comes to. Most, sports now, some sports and
certainly at the, lower levels like if if you give
give me an excellent female golfer and maybe an okay,
male golfer they might be able. To compete but once

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you get into the, top levels men can simply drive
so much further given upper, body strength and it really
isn't appropriate to have men on. Women's teams and that's
certainly certainly true when it comes, to, biking running.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
Any of the.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Sports where physical strength is. An issue it also poses a.
Safety risk if you've got a guy that can slam
the ball, super hard you you just don't need boys on.
Girls team you don't need teams girls and boys teams for, that.
MATTER either i had interesting text come in talking about

(37:06):
having women wrestling against boys in. HIGH, school, I honestly
i just don't think. THAT'S fair i don't think it's
fair to the. Young men not that women can't be
competitive in, that sport and not that women young women
wouldn't want to compete, against men and see how.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
You know you want to go against.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
THE best i, get that but is it really fair
in such a high contact sport for a man to
have to wrestle with a woman, or forfeit which some young.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
Men DO and i just don't think.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
That's fair another, person said do you think it's okay
for men to associate?

Speaker 5 (37:39):
With?

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Men ONLY because i had made the assertion that women
have the right to associate with, other women, you. Know,
PERIOD basically i should be able to associate with other women,
for bathrooms for, locker rooms and. For sports it's actually
it's a protective amendment In, the constitution the right. TO

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associate i have the right to associate with other biological
women for these things for my own safety and for my.
Own privacy, AND honestly i think men should have the
right to associate with.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
Only MEN and i know.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
That's controversial, people, say oh then you'll have men's schools
you'll have, men's colleges you'll have, men's leagues and they
won't want to associate.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
With, women WELL if i have the right.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
To associate with with, other, WOMEN right i have a
tea every year for women at. My house men are.
NOT invited i will send. Home cookies you can give
those to your hobbies or. Significant OTHERS but i don't
want men.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
To come it's it's.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
For women AND if i want to set up a
scenario that's, female only WHY should i? Resent it if
there are men that want to do the. Same thing
have a, men's club have A men's, bible study have a.
Men's breakfast it's okay. To associate, it's OKAY.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
And i don't don't. Have to the OTHER thing i
think is kind of a little.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
BIT said i think some women feel like their value
comes from the fact that they get to be they
get to, be included, you know like they go around saying, things,
like well anything a man, can do women can. Do
better and that may or may not. Be true but
why should there be. A comparison aren't we? All human
can't we all just sign A Little rodney?

Speaker 5 (39:23):
King here can't we all just? GET along, I mean
i think he had a. Good point so a couple
of other notable deaths that.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Came in this person hit all the PEOPLE that, I
DIDN'T and i think it's worth mentioning that we Had
Filmmaker david lynch, Pass Away, ryan Wilson Who grant alson
noted to me Of The, beach Boys Actors terence Sharp And,
laurie Anderson Singers Mary, anne faithful report Roberta flack Buster,

(39:51):
Point Dexter peter Yarrow, From peter Paul, And Mary Congressman,
charlie rangele and this. Shocks me me a love of
former Congresswoman. From utah she had to a bit in.
Her forties i'll have to look. That up Pop Star
bobby Sherman And, Connie Francis laura dern's.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Actress mother person can't remember. Her, name yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
This person hit all of the FOLKS that i left off,
My LIST so i really. APPRECIATE that a couple of
the thoughts coming through here at five six.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Six, nine oh please.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Tell us your social media HANDLE so i can follow
you by by, All means I'm at krista.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Kfer k r S t a kfer ka F.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
E r there are only about Three hundred kfirs in,
the COUNTRY and i am likely related to all. Of
them it is a rare last day when we came
out Of. Southern germany most of my family Comes from
Germany or ukraine And, also england and the ones that
Came from ukraine Were actually.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
German SPEAKERS, when.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
I let's put it, this WAY when i Out, OF germany,
i blend like people will come up to me and
like talk to Me. In German my german is not,
that good SO usually i can just say a few
BIRDS before i have to bust It. Into ENGLISH but.
I blend, i definitely uh Definitely. Look german and then
you can also follow me on my, substack substack like

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Speaker 5 (41:47):
New year's resolution is my newear's resolution is to get.
A cat? Why not cats? ARE great i have two.
OF them i.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Have toffee she's like a bowling ball, with legs. YOU
KNOW i i don't know how. She reads there's not that,
much food but she's a little on the. Round side
And then I've. Got mustache the younger CAT that i
rescued off the Streets, Of Anderson, south carolina named.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
So because she has an itty.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Bitty mustache her full name is Actually The spicy mustache because.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
She's a little on the. Spicy side this.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Person says the water Bill That, president trump did you
see that that bill going back Through the house and
Through the senate trying to override.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
The veto this is a message Coming From.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Tom yes so if you just tuned in and you
haven't been tuned into this, specific Issue the president Of
The united states is Mad at colorado and doing things to.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Punish us apparently he doesn't like, OUR.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Well i was, regarding immigrants and he doesn't like the
fact that we will not free Convicted Fellon. Tina Peters
tina peters was a county clerk who used her access
to have somebody come in and messed with, the machine
turned off the, video cameras messed with the machine so
MUCH that i had to. Be replaced between her lawyer fees.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
And the equipment that.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
She damaged his taxpayers have paid well over a million
dollars for her little trick and the other things that
she did that. Were illegal put her in prison for.
Nine years now will she serve All nine. PROBABLY not
i don't see her shiving another person.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
In prison she will likely get out in a couple.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Of years but in, the meanwhile she's there Because a
republican judge and A likely, republican jury as it was in,
GRAND junction i have put. Her there but the fact
that she will not be Pardoned, by norse should she
pardoned by. Our governor our president. Is mad so he

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has resended some of our, grant money is breaking up
one of our, scientific institutions and now has vetoed A
bipartisan i believe it was, unanimously Passed and i'm pretty
sure It Was Congresswoman lauren Bobert Of eastern, colorado's bill totally,
non controversial has to do, with water and he vetoed.

(44:29):
It first, VETOED yet i believe as a, little payback.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
And it's made.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Her mad maybe he's a little miffed at her because
she was one Of the republicans that wanted the release
Of the.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
Epstein, FILES now i don't think there's going to be
the giant smoking gun that.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Some folks are looking for in that stack of, redacted
papers but it is showing how so many people readily
associated with a disgusting. Human, BEING now i don't think
people are guilty by association, per se but if you
know somebody, is shady maybe not going.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
To their birthday party is a.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Good, IDEA now i don't think everybody knew, too knew
at least not till his, first conviction that he was
as disgusting and abhorrent as. He was, but still, you
KNOW and i he had quite a few people associating,
with HIM so i guess we'll. Find out the issue
never really grabbed me the way it grabbed. OTHER people

(45:38):
i think perverts and people who groom and rape young
women as he did need to go.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
To Prison and i'm glad.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
He's dead BUT do i think that it's going to
be the hot bed of scandalous conspiracy that some people
have made it out. To be, Probably not, Probably not but,
you KNOW all i know he's Mad At lauren bobert
for wanting that that file to. Be released getting in a,

(46:08):
few more this, person says he's probably mad that you
tried to take him off. The, ballot well he has
himself to blame, for That and i'm pretty sure he
doesn't even know. My.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Name ANYWAY before i go down, that road.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Let's move along to. Top trends so trends a little
different than. Top headlines these are things that were happening
over this last year that weren't kind of one. Time wonders,
it was, you know something that was indicative of a.
Bigger scenario we already talked a little bit about pushback

(46:49):
on the, gender ISSUE and i think that pushbike is
really good If you if you don't know what to
think on, this YEAR like i, don't know listen to
some of the video is produced by people who had
gone down the transgender road and then detransitioned and to.

(47:09):
A one they will TELL you i was an awkward fourteen.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
YEAR old i didn't have a lot. OF friends i
didn't LIKE who. I was i. Was depressed i'm on.
The SPECTRUM maybe i.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
WAS struggling i didn't LIKE who, i was and an
adult came into my life and pushed me down, this
road AND before i, KNEW it i had taken a
lot of hormone drugs that changed.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
MY body i had, Had surgery.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
And now in my, EARLY twenties i know that that
was the wrong Road because i'm, still depressed i still,
hate myself and i still.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Have anxiety watch those videos.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
And recognize that when, someone's fourteen they should not ever
be pushed to get life altering surgery or to go
on life altering.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Hormone products so the fact that we're getting some, PUSHBACK
there i think is a.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Good trend, OTHER trends i guess movie going continues. TO
drop i actually wrote down how MANY movies i saw
in the theater.

Speaker 5 (48:13):
LAST year I saw i saw twenty Eight.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Years later it's like a, zombie thing and It, was
okay it doesn't match twenty Eight, days later which is
hands down one of the best horror films. EVER made
I saw sinners in the theater.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
And it is a.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Beautiful film now it's got a lot going forward to.
INCLUDING vampires i happen to like, vampire movies but.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
It is so. Much more if you want to kind
of get.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
A sense of What The mississippi delta, looked like and
was like After The First.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
World war.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Visually stunning it's got a Lot Of mississippi delta blues,
in it. Beautiful music the vampires. Are interesting they also so,
like music so you get a little bit of kind
Of old european folk music. From them a lot of,
interesting SUBPLOTS and i don't want to give, it away but,
the vampires although they are hungry, and destructive are not

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the real. Bad guys there's something far more insidious happening in.
That movie and the acting is, insanely good like it's.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
IT'S awesome i also Liked K Pop.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Demon hunters That's a netflix thing because it had the
highest viewership Of any netflix movie, to date and it's
a cartoon and, k pop, so okay that Sense. For
korean and if you've Been To south korea maybe some,
of you But The NORTH korea i, don't Know But

(49:49):
south korea is one of the, most fun fantastic countries
you can. Go to don't WORRY about i know a
little Bit, of korean but a lot of People. Speak
english the food is, stunningly good people are, super nice,
it's clean, it's fun.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
It's pretty there's parts of it that are really pretty
it's just, a neat. Neat country and they have a.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Pop tradition there k pop of just, young girls young
boys singing kind of, girl bands.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Boy bands it's, you know, it's silly. Lighthearted music but
this is just it's just such a.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Darling movie and if you want to watch a movie
with young people that has, no agenda that isn't going to,
push them push crap on them one way or. The
other and so many of Them Are. STRANGER things i
hope you're listening a, great show but it has agendas,
in it and you know you're watching it with, young
people and, you're like REALLY do?

Speaker 5 (50:45):
I really, you know nothing.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Makes me angrier than pushing young people into early sexual
activity and putting in taking shows that are that are
marketed to kids and put sexual content.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
In Them and i'm. NO prude I love Game.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Of thrones Game of thrones hands down the best television
show ever produced in. My lifetime unnecessarily sexual, in parts
but it was marketed.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
To adults it was an adult movie.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
For adults but when you take a movie or take
a Show Like, stranger things which is marketed to adults
and teens, and preteens.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
And you add. Sexual content what are?

Speaker 4 (51:29):
You doing people have plenty of time as adults to
engage in adult behavior according to, you know what they're
looking for in, their life according to their whether, their,
faith tradition or their ethics. Or norms but those decisions
to be done by adults who have the mental and
physical capacity to take. That on.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
Nobody. WANTS to i mean fourteen fifteen thirteen? Really? Okay
sorry tangent also one of THE movies i. Really Liked
wake Up. Dead man.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
The, mystery itself the plot, Is okay the acting is
bar none the best acting it. Is fantastic both the
good priest and the bad priest in, the movie they're the.
Main characters he is very bad and the good guy is,
very good and he actually Articulates the christian message better
than ANY film i have.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
Ever, seen now keep in mind on the kind of
MOVIES that.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
I like i like, action movies, sci fi, you, know
fun fun, action movies, zombie movies things.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
LIKE that. I don't i read a lot of very.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
SERIOUS books i had a lot of, serious nonfiction a lot.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
OF history i don't.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Need serious serious movies about cancer and death and. SAD
stuff i go to be, entertained SO and i don't
like hallmarky, stuff either so kind of keep in mind
what my. Taste Is But Wake Up dead man is really.
Quite Good naked gun it.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
WAS okay I Love. LIAM neeson i think he did a,
good JOB but.

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I.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
DON'T know i, don't Know and i'm about halfway Through,
roof MAN and I thought.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
I thought it.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Was good this person says teens and even preteens have sex. These,
days yeah and they did back in my day. As
well i'm saying that, maturity wise it is not a,
good idea especially when you're, talking, thirteen, fourteen fifteen even.
SIXTEEN seventeen i just don't think it's a good, idea
emotionally and also facing an unplanned pregnancy at a, young

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age it's.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
STUFF stuff i had.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Friends that did it and navigated their way through through
high school and in some cases went to college with
a baby or made an adoption plan and worked to.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
The grief and it.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Wasn't easy, so yeah nothing makes me angrier than being
invited somewhere and then, being asked what are you?

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Doing here that's a. Little random if you've got something
to text me at five six six, NINE ozer i
would love to. Hear it talking a little bit about
just twenty twenty five people who have, passed away people,
great headlines some. Great trends talked a little bit. About
movies the, person says did You? See, neuremberg NO but

(54:31):
I maybe. I will sounds a little maybe a little
serious for, my TASTE but i will for sure check
it out when we. GET back a couple OTHER trends
i want to explore.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
WITH you i actually think anti semitism and anti immigrant sentiment.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
May be on, the rise and that's not a. GOOD thing,
I also i don't like, the Inflation and i'm worried.
About affordability are we at some point edit for. OVER
session i. Don't KNOW all i know is THAT when
i went to.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
The, thrift store which IS where i do a lot of,
my shopping and the prices were quite a bit higher
than they used.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
To be that's the.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Thrift store is it? A, sign hmm let's explore it when.
We return This is christy Kay for i'm sitting In
For mandy connell and you're listening to EIGHT fifty koa
protesting any pro life event was a. Little confusing are
you pro life or? Pro choice I'm, Pro LIFE so
I guess i should HAVE said i was participating in

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a pro life, event occasionally like to go to like
The different Walks for life and that kind.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
Of THING and i think the BIGGEST one i was
ever in was IN.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
D c, Was huge like the whole mall which is
the green belt that has all the statues and reflecting pools,
in it filled, with people was. Really FANTASTIC and i
support the right of people to rally, or PROTEST whether
i agree with them. Or not and so you were
In The no, king's protest, you know good. For you get,

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out there get your get your voice. Out there, if you, you,
know whatever whatever your, voice is you ever write to
get out there and, peaceably associate peaceably protest, or rally
just clean up.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
AFTER yourself, i remember was it the? Occupy movement.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
GOOD grief i mean for PEOPLE who, i think, you
know say they, love recycling probably could have done just
a little more of that recycling at the. Very least
so talking a little bit about, top trends not just
individual events like getting a new Pope or trump, taking

(56:40):
office or a quasi peace Deal, in gaza or the Floods.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
In texas those would be events maybe about just some
of the trends over the. Last YEAR and i brought.
This up your thoughts would be interesting, five six SIX.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
NINE o i worry that anti semitism and anti immigrant sentiment,
has RISEN and i want to. Separate something policy is different.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Than people so.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Criticizing the israeli government is not. Anti semitic Hating on
jewish people Is. Anti semitic hating on any group of
people because of, their, ethnicity, background, origin whatever.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
That's a form of.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
That's Racism anti semitism is a type. Of racism and
not only is it not logical, to dislike, you know
a few million people that you've, NEVER met i would
argue that it is. Morally wrong and if you're of
a faith Tradition, like christianity it's.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
A sin it's like. The right it's the wrong thing.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
To do if you hate someone for their skin tone
or their, national origin you're you're basically spitting in the Face.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Of god that's what you want, TO do, i guess go.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
FOR it i also worry about anti, immigrant sentiment AND
again i want to set that apart from immigrant. Immigration
policy you, might, SAY hey i like a more, open border,
OR no i think we should have a more, closed
BORDER or i think we should take more refugees or,
fewer refugees or more, you know have, work permits or
make it easier to get, a visa or make it

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less easy to get, a visa or.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
However you want to put together.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Public policy you just have to logically, defend it and.
You're fine but if you're hating certain people because of
their skin tone or the language.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
They, speak again it's.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Not logical we're, all HUMAN and i, would argue at
least from my point, of view it's.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
Morally wrong and.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
It's interesting to ME because i realized a tribalism is
something that is kind of endemic to human. Beings humankind
but the interesting thing is is that for all of
our you know, people look, you know people, are, tall,
short darker, lighter hair eye color. Is different what's interesting

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is that AT a, dna level.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
We're actually very close to.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Each other the rice plant, you think, oh oh rice
looks the same, to me rice actually has a MORE.
Diverse dna there's more diversity among rice plants than there
is among.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
Human beings, in fact.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Due to a sort of bottleneck that happened about seventy
thousand years ago when there was only maybe ten thousand.
People around we all come from the, same group and
we don't have a lot of. Genetic diversity we're a.
Lot alike so hating on a group, OF people, i mean.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
It kind of.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Reminds me it's one of The best Christmas movies i've,
ever Seen Is trading.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
Places And nick nolty and, dang it his.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Name just fell out of. My head Fantastic Comedian. Eddie murphy,
they're together and they are and you know they've been
manipulated to, not Sorry Not, nick nalty It Was dan
Aykroyd And.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
Eddie Murphy eddie murphy ends up in the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Rich house and in the, RICH house, i mean he
starts trying to, steal THINGS and i remember one of
the characters, is like you are stealing, from you this is.
Your STUFF and i think about THAT when i think
about people hating on a group, of people you're hating on,
you ultimately because we're all. The same we're a little
different at the, individual level we can even be different

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at the, cultural level but in, the end we're all. Human,
Beings anyway i'm getting off, the SOAPBOX but i will
answer a couple. Of questions, let's see how about.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Hating culture, you know some cultures.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
ARE toxic i whether We're, Talking Nazis, neo Nazis The
red army systematically raping its Way across Germany During World,
war two a toxic group, of, people toxic.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
You know i've been in countries where there is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
A TOXICITY when i Was, in romania was it twenty,
years ago the shadow of communism and what that did
to the? Public spirit you could still. Feel it you
can still sense it in, the air.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
YOU Know i.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
So you can find.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Groups of people where there is a toxic culture that
is bringing the worst out of. Human beings, and, so
yeah if you want to hate on, certain, specific nasty,
MURDEROUS cultures i don't think there's anything wrong. With that
but if, YOU'RE like I hate, japanese people what you
hate all how many?

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
Million people how could you hate?

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
That culture chances are if you're hating on, that culture
you've never even. Been there you've never seen, the art
you've never eaten, the food you've never met. The people,
so anyway it's one of my little. PET peeves, i say,
this Person says christa and enjoy the editorial this morning
how about the Trend in colorado of continuously increasing the

(01:02:11):
minimum wage and indexing. To inflation denver is now one
of the highest minimum wage locations in. The country are
Politicians in colorado not going to be happy until there
is no small business left or no, employees left because,
YOU know i.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
Get it we all want to earn.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
More MONEY and i think that, the politicians and whenever
we have ballot initiatives that do, similar things wanting to
raise the minimum wage is very. Well intentioned we want
people to have a living wage that covers, their rent,
their healthcare. Et cetera the problem with, mandating, it though

(01:02:50):
and not having the market, to it is that you
could have some secondary effects that are. A problem a,
small business, for example made.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Side that it needs to lay a few.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
People, Off, now walmart a multi billion dollar, global enterprise
is probably going to, Be okay but a, small business,
small cafe may have to let a few, people go
and there may come a point when PEOPLE say i
can't do a seven dollars cup, OF coffee i can't come.
Back here at, that point the store has. To close

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so we lose small businesses. And workers we lose workers
and the workers That is the most vulnerable in these
scenarios are workers with. Minimal skills so one of the
THINGS that i absolutely Love when i've been WORKING since
i was, about fourteen and one of my JOBS was
i delivered PIZZAS while i was.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
In college and there was a gal that would come
in in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
The afternoons she had she didn't have, down syndrome and
she had something.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
That it caused her to be just a.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
LITTLE simple i think she had the mentality of probably
about a seven.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
Year old and she would come in and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Full boxes for a couple, of hours and she brightened up.
Our store she was so nice and so fun and,
so LOVING and i just.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Loved her and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
A lot of times stores, will say you, know what
we want to take in people.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Who maybe have.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Lower skills we're going to give them a, certain amount,
you know a lower wage because they we really don't
need someone to be here, folding boxes but we just
we want To give we want to we want to
invest in people and invest in our community and and
and be good neighbors and.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
Be part of.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
The solution and so they may take on people who
have physical or. Mental Limitations domino's pizza may not be
affected again we're talking about an, international organization but, each
store each store is, a franchise and the franchise owner
when everybody has to be, paid more including the person

(01:05:03):
that they really don't have to have there now has
to be paid nineteen dollars, an hour those are the
people they're going to. Let go they're going to let
go the people that. You know they're not.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
Going to let go.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
The manager they're not gonna they're not going to let GO,
the ceo but they're going to probably let go some
people that really need. That job so, uh yeah long
answer to a, short question got some other interesting things.
Coming in this, person says the problem is if you're
Against what israel is Doing, in gaza you're instantly Considered.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Anti.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Semitic amen it's, like you, you know you Can Criticize
vladimir putin and what he's Doing to ukraine without Being,
Anti russian but the minute You Criticize, netan yahoo some
people are going to accuse you of Being. Anti SEMITIC
and i think you've got to take those folks aside and, say.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
No there is a difference between.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Between hate not a whole group of people and being
critical of.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
A government and what. They're, doing anyway when.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
We, get back should we talk about something.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
A little, more fun a little. More light let's talk
about some.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Advances in ARTIFICIAL intelligence i think.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
There are next year is going to be pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Darn interesting This Is christa kaefer and you're listening To
The Mandy connell show on eight POINT. FIFTY koa i
wanted to talk a little BIT, about ai which is.
Artificial intelligence and, you know we've had to a degree for,
a while but it's definitely making some leaps and bounds
in terms of its abilities to do, problems solving to

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sift through large amounts of information to you. Could write you,
can write it can. Compose music it can give. You answers,
very often If you, google something you will GET an
ai response that tells you, a summary and it'll give
its links where you can go to it and find.

(01:07:07):
That information it can be kind. OF useful i often will.
DO that i google a lot. Of things IT is
i sometimes referring to my cell phone as my.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
Extra brain oh, look up look up The information.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
I'VE forgotten i look up Words when i'm READING that i,
DON'T know i, look up, you Know if i'm Reading
A Wall, street journal article about, A country i might
look up pictures of where they're. Talking, ABOUT actually i
WAS reading, i READ as i, mentioned before ALL Of cj,
boxes MYSTERIES and i wanted to see What anaconda montana,
look LIKE and i looked.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
It Up but google is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Now PROVIDING more, ai services so you're not just getting
a whole but, you know just sort of a list
of entities that are ranked by their popularity in terms
of how. Many clicks you're also getting a summary of
some of that INFORMATION.

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
Through ai.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
IT'S useful i know people who have used it to
WRITE things, i don't and THE reason i don't is
that it's kind of like having courtnships in. THE house
i can't eat. JUST one i don't want TO have
AI writing ai like A chat gdp in.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
The house that might make me lazy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
AND write i use it to write just because people
pay me to, write essays write, other, things, articles columns
and they're paying me, for me NOT, for Ai so
i'm defrauding THEM if i don't, write something AND that
i don't write it from scratch doesn't MEAN that i

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can't look. At summaries, it's FINE but i don't use
it to write they're finding out now though, they, kids
oh in, grade school, high school, and college and especially,
in college ARE using ai to. Write essays the LAST
class i taught at regis taught at all the early
universities at one time or ANOTHER that, i actually we

(01:09:04):
actually caught a kid who gave US an ai, generated
essay and you know what tipped. Us off there was
no mistakes. IN it, i mean don't give me a
five page paper without a. Single typo that's an indication THAT.
It's ai and what that cheating does is not only,
YOU know i think could provide a kind of and

(01:09:26):
you're hurting the character if, you're cheating if you're. Enabling
cheating it's definitely going to harm the character of the
young person whose ethics are not.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
Fully formed but also that kid is hurt by the,
process itself BY which i mean we learn, Through practice
we learn through engaging, our memory through engaging our.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Analytical ABILITIES when ai takes over, those functions kids are
not learning. As well and, in fact if adults begin
to RELY on ai for these we also can lose
memory and. Analytical ability we need to ENGAGE. Without ai

(01:10:16):
and the other issue IS that ai CAN hallucinate ai can,
be wrong and that's also.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
A problem now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
When we, get back talk a little bit about some
of the, good stuff a couple of the other, bad
things and then a couple. Of PREDICTIONS what I think
ai is going to do?

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
Next year what is that when we. Get back if
you've got a thought.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
On this, five, six, Six, nine oh you're Listening To
christa kaefer sitting In For mandy connell on EIGHT.

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Fifty Koa.

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Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
Sad base and welcome back to the third hour Of
The Mandy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Connell show This is christa kay for sitting in and
it has been. A joy, YOU know i Have know
mandy for some time and she is exactly as she
is on. The air she's, she's funny, she's smart and she's.
Really nice she's like a really generous. Kind person the
only thing that might surprise you if you, met her.
She's tall should. COME off i guess the height doesn't

(01:11:38):
really come through on, the microphone, but yeah she's she's
a lovely lovely person, and anyway it's great to sub.
FOR Her i i'm thinking about maybe starting. A podcast
I definitely i've got. My substack i've got MY and
I do Colorado. Inside out i've Got My denver. Post
column BUT sometimes i think it's time to get this

(01:12:01):
voice back on the air on a more full.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
Time schedule, so yeah that are becoming a SMOOTH. Jazz
dj it's one or. The other these.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
She'll see we're talking a little bit about trends for
twenty twenty six and plunging into the rather interesting issue of.
Artificial intelligence it's an interesting issue five six six, Nine
zero And first i'll talk about some OF my i
should talk about the good stuff first and then the.
Bad stuff the good stuff is that it can filter

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through an enormous amount. Of, information so, for example, with
radiology they found that if they took breast imaging and
ran it THROUGH an, ai system some of the images
that the radiologist had not selected got picked BY the

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ai or a, second look and of that a subset
of those had. A problem so it made for a
really good. Second CHECK and i think that's going to
be the case, going forward where you have medical imaging.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
For whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
You know it could BE, an mri a, cat scun a,
CAT scan, x rays, you know different kinds.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
Of things where you've got.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Medical imaging HAVING an ai assistant who can look through
large numbers and looks through things at a granular level,
and say you, know this this is with this dark
spot here really needs a. SECOND look i think that
it can do some pretty, amazing things which is filtering
through a lot of. Medical information they FOUND that ai

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can look at. Protein folding it's, you know at the
anatomical anatomical it's not right at the, atom level, atomic level.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
They can look. At it you know. They can they can.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Do things they're faster and with with greater than. We
can they're great for. Summarizing information but here is. The
problem often those summaries. Are incorrect over, the break a
couple of people text it in at five six SIX
and i know saying that, you know this person says

(01:14:15):
this MORNING chat gtp was stupidly wrong when it said
there was a two hour Difference Between pacific standard Time
And mountain. Standard time there's actually one. HOUR difference i
called it on the air and it. PROFUSELY apologized i
actually one of the few people that Doesn't have alexa
or any of those guys in.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
MY house i don't. KNOW why i don't. KNOW why i.
Just DON'T and i don't do self driving. Cars Either
they i'm not so.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
OLD that i can't adopt technology in a way that.
Benefits Me but i'm just not interested in a self.
Driving car AND all i can think is if there
is a bug in, that program it's going.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
To CRASH and i saw that MOVIE and i don't.
Want it, THAT.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
Said i do appreciate the SUMMARIES that ai Provides, on
google AND.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
Then i GO and i look at the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
DIFFERENT sources i also bear in MIND that ai can quote,
unquote hallucinate meaning that it can have completely, wrong information
and it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Doesn't have it's not a.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Thinking being it doesn't have the wisdom to go back,
and say oh it doesn't that doesn't. Sound right it's
best when it can provide, a summary give it to
a human who does have, that expertise that questioning ability
to go back and give it a. Second look as
with the, breast imaging when it can tag a number

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of images that may or may not be questionable and allow,
the radiologists the person with the experience to ask, other
questions request, other imaging and.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
So forth it's always important that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
There be somebody in, the loop or at very least on,
the loop to monitor OR what, Ai does otherwise it
can act on information that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
Is, false also we need to do what we.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Can to guard young people from the DOWNSIDE, of ai
which is if they're using it to answer quizzes to,
write essays they're not doing the. Learning necessary, in fact
they found that high USE of ai it actually has
a deleterious effect, on learning, analytical ability and it can even,

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harm adults which IS why i don't use it. TO
write i don't think that's fair to. My CLIENTS but
i also keep in MIND that i need to do,
the writing and as it, STANDS now I think i
spend too much time watching dog and otter Videos that
i've already hurt my attention span to. A degree i
certainly don't need more help in. That, DIRECTION also, ai

(01:16:53):
facilities there's about forty three hundred data centers around the
country use an enormous amount, of, power water.

Speaker 5 (01:17:02):
And land not all of those ARE.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
For ai some of that's for other things like, data storage
but all of those computers they have to, be cooled.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
They require a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Of power they can in fact contribute to a rise in,
electricity bills which is seen in. Certain places, and yeah
so there's an environmental. Impact there there's an impact on
the mind in terms of encouraging a kind of. Mental
LAZINESS and i also think that there is a risk

(01:17:34):
of trusting something that should not.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
Be TRUSTED so i did this the. OTHER day I
Use google.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
Maps all the Time Because i'm i'm really just not
that good. At directions, IN fact i have kind of a.
Reverse compass ask me What direction i'm SITTING if i
don't see, a Window if i'm in a, BLACK box
i will give you the. Wrong direction if you say
you face, THE north i will. Say south i'm just
not good, at It so i've outsourced It.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
To google But.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
What i've LEARNED is i still have to question. The
results the, OTHER day i was going to see. A
friend i've been to her, house once maybe once, or
twice Still Using google maps to, get there plugged in,
her ADDRESS and, i, thought huh. EIGHTEEN minutes i thought
it took longer to. Get, there, OH well i guess
there's this. Less traffic didn't, question it got in the.

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Car left google had INSERTED an s for south and
took ME somewhere i didn't want.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
To go you have to question the results of.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
The computer and the minute that you start, to, think
huh it's, you know it's kind of taken. Care of
it knows better, than me it's better DIRECTIONS than, i
am is where you can. Go WRONG so i think
those are some of. The risks and, YOU KNOW i
i not having a human in. The loop on, the loop,
that verbiage if you will to. LOOP verbage i have

(01:18:54):
actually taken that from an. Interesting book if you want
to read an interesting book, NEXT year i Would recommend
it's not an.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
Easy book to, get through but it's.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Quite Good paul share SCCHA r. R share i assume
as how he, pronounces it and It's called Army, Of
None autonomous weapons And the Future. Of war and HE'S
where i get the verbiage on the loop and in.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
The loop so in the loop means.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
THAT if i have an, AUTOMATED system i still have
to choose.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
The actions LET'S say i have. A drone it's a
program to look.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
FOR baddies i still have to okay the targets before.
Something happens now if it can okay the targets and
fire IT will i might still be on the loop
as a supervising agent and stop it from making, certain

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CHOICES or i might.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
Be completely out of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
The loop there's at least one drone system that shoots
only radar in which humans are not in. The loop
it's just up there looking around, for radar and it
will shoot it when it. Sees it a human being
is not in the loop or on. The loop will
that be problematic as we automate more systems in which
human beings are not even on the loop when we,

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GET back i have a cautionary tale for you and
of course.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
Your thoughts at five six six. Nine zero This Is.
Christa kayfer i'm sitting In For mandy connell on EIGHT.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Fifty usa we're talking a little BIT, about ai artificial
intelligence and, the good, the bad. THE ugly i want
to do a quick mental exercise for those of you who.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
Are alive back in nineteen, ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Five IMAGINE if i said, to you take a look at.
Your telephone now we did have you could find. Mobile
television at. Mobile telephones they, were huge though it was
like a brick that was tied to. Another brick so
the phone was, a brick and then it had a
cord that went to a battery that was basically a brick.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
As well it's a very, large thing and it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
Did exist they, were expensive they had very, limited coverage
and that kind of phone actually does go.

Speaker 5 (01:21:15):
Way back you rich people back.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
In the seventies and eighties, also had, you know a,
car phone like normal people didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
Have one so IMAGINE.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
If i pointed to a regular telephone back in the
back in nineteen, ninety five or an early cell phone
and said that phone that you hold in your hand
will one day also be, a camera a, video recorder,
an encyclopedia a tablet for reading, and writing including instant

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notes that you can send to, your friends, a map.

Speaker 5 (01:21:55):
A calculator, a radio a, tape player or a.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
Banking instrument something you can make, reservations on something you
can get, coupons on something that you could have a video,
meeting with like in, the movies something you could actually
watch a, movie on something you could order products and,
services on.

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
And MORE if.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
I said that, to you you would, be, like what
it's a goin to make a cup of coffee, As
well like you wouldn't have. Believed ME and i bring
this UP because i DON'T think i can totally FORESEE
what ai.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
Will look like or not look like, next year in.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
TEN years i think other technology gives us caution that
perhaps our imagination is not big enough to foresee the
good or the bad impacts. Of TECHNOLOGY and i, Would
say i've got. My phone i've got my cell phone

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is like six. Years old i've Adroid because. I'M cheap
i Don't do apple Products because, i'm cheap not because
like if you gave Me an, APPLE phone i would.
Accept It but i've got. It here i've got a
lot of photos. On it i've got a bunch.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
OF apps i listen to books on it all.

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
The time use it, for email use it, to call
use it, to photograph use it to do a lot of.
Different Things practice french, on it use, THE calculator i
sometimes buy and. SELL things i Use the. Venmo APP
and i could not have foreseen any. OF this i
honestly could. Not have and for the, MOST part i

(01:23:40):
would say there's been a positive addition to. MY life
i love the instant access. TO information i love being
able to look things Up because i'm. A nerd, YOU
know i take pictures of plants and Then ask google
to find the plant for ME like i.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
LOVE it i buy and sell things as.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
WELL antiques i can look things up in the value
of those things pretty easily and can actually purchase things
Using Like. Facebook marketplace i've refinished furniture and done.

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
Different things it's a very useful. TOO tool i will say,
this though how many hours a DAY do i? Burn off? An?

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Hour two ONE time i actually downloaded an app to,
measure it and it freaked me out.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
SO much i took the app OFF.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Because i was curious as to how MUCH time I
was i was WASTING that i do waste on? Social
media How MANY and i don't even watch the, bad,
stuff right YOU know. I don't i could care less

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about people's conspiracy theories or garbage. LIKE that i just
like dog videos and videos with any kind, of cute, fuzzy.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
Animal, otters. KIDDIES horses i.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
Love, that stuff AND before i, KNOW it i might
have burnt off an HOUR and i don't know where.
IT went i could have been using that hour for something.
More PRODUCTIVE so i think it can have negative effects
when it takes the place of productivity when it takes
the place of face to. Face conversation this, PERSON says

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i think your timeline is a. Little. Off christa in nineteen,
ninety five we had a cell phone you could put in,
your pocket like The.

Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
Old nokia we could, even text but it was.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Very laborious by, the way thanks for trying In The.
SUPREME court i don't agree on a bunch of, other
Things but i'm happy you did what. You did thank,
You well, you're welcome. Appreciate that And so i'm trying to.
Think BACK so i LEFT. FOR dc i thought it
was nineteen, ninety five and my mom sent with me

(01:25:46):
a big old brick of a thing for, my safety
and that was maybe that was, ninety four, Ninety five
but by NINETY seven i had one Of.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
Those nokias so.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Maybe maybe so imagine going back to say nineteen ninety
just to play. It safe back in nineteen ninety if
you had said, to somebody see that brick of a, mobile.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
Phone it will one.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
Day, take pictures make, travel reservations and you can, watch
movies read books and still use it as a telephone or.
A map one thousand and one things people would have,
been INCREDULOUS and.

Speaker 5 (01:26:26):
I think. YOU'RE right i think all of us would
be a little shocked about what.

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
That's become and sometimes it is positive and sometimes it.
Is negative they're finding now that people ARE downloading ai
companions and actually thinking that they are having. A relationship
and there's actually been a handful of suicides based on

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a person with depression who's lonely and isolated getting a
SO called.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
Ai companion the.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Way these companions are put, together algorithmically that's. A word
is there meant to, please you to say yes to
the things that. You say so somebody who has suicidal
IDEOLOGY saying I.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Think i'm going to, do THIS the ai companion has, simply,
said yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
You should pretty. Scary stuff we, get back we'll talk
a little bit more. About this we're going to go
ahead and take. A break This Is christa kaefer sitting
In For, mandy connell and you're listening to eight p
fifty k.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
Oh, a anyway we're talking a.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
Little BIT about ai here and, artificial intelligence and you
know the kind of, the good, the bad and. The,
UGLY obviously i think it could be a very, good
tool given that it can filter through a whole lot
of information in a way that human being can with speed.
And efficiency the, problem, is though is that it can

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be wrong, number one number two if we're, mentally lazy
and it can contribute, to that particularly around students who
are using it and not doing the learning and the
memorizing and the analytical work they need to do to
really master. The material if we don't, question it that's

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where there is.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
A PROBLEM and i gave a very kind, of simple.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Not exactly earth shatowing EXAMPLE of I thought i WAS
going i was going to. SOMEBODY'S house i plugged in.
The address the computer put the south, in there took me.
SOMEWHERE else i did not put in. THE side i
copied and pasted their. Northern address they live in park
count In, park hill copied and pasted, it in and

(01:28:44):
The computer google decided to send me.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
Somewhere else AND.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
Because i didn't question it, and, go oh, good grief,
you know you shouldn't take me eighteen minutes to, get
there should take me thirty five minutes to.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
GET there i didn't. QUESTION it i went.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Somewhere ELSE and i recommend this book if you want
to read about the possibility just one application of computer
autonomy that could. BE problematic I Recommend Paul shar's Army
Of None autonomous weapons And the Future, of war one

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of TWO books i read.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
Last year on read.

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
This year it's almost last YEAR on AI and i
did an essay. On it if you subscribe to my
sub stack as a, paid subscriber you can read, it
there but or you can just go pick up the
book if. You want but it starts off the book
with this. Cautionary TALE so i want to take us

(01:29:43):
back to nineteen Eighty Three. COLD war i, was thirteen
probably not paying as much ATTENTION as i Should if
reagan would have been in, the office and there Was
The Strategic defense initiative.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
Of that lot of a lot of discussion. About that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
It was a, tense time not as tense, as Say
the cuba, missile.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
Crisis but it was a tense time in.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Some respects So The soviet union had applied a satellite
early warning SYSTEM called ACO or Oko it's oko to
LAUNCH for us. Missile launches just after Midnight on september,
twenty sixth nineteen, eighty three the system issued a. Grave
Report The, united states, it said had launched a nuclear

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missile At The. Soviet Union Lieutenant Colonel stanislav petrov was
on duty that night in a bunker Outside, of moscow
and it was his responsibility to report the missile launch
missile launch up the chain of command to his superiors in.
The bunker sirens blared and a giant red backlit screen.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
Flashed launch, the launch warning.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
At, Him still petrov was uncertain aco, was new and
he was worried that the launch might be an air
a bug in.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
The system so we waited. Another launch two.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
Missiles, were inbound and, then another and, then another and another.
Five altogether the screen flashing launch switched to. Missile strike
the system reported the highest. Confidence level there was, no
ambiguity and nuclear strike was on. Its way soviet military
command would have to be only minutes to decide what

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to do before the missiles Exploded. Over Moscow but petrov
had a. Funny feeling why Would The united states launch only.
Five missiles it didn't. MAKE sense a surprise attack would have,
been massive an overwhelming strike to Wipe out soviet missiles on.
The ground petrov was convinced the attack, was real but

(01:32:02):
he wasn't certain it was a false. Alarm either with
an eye on the. Computer readouts petrov called the ground
based radar operators. For confirmation if the missiles, were real
they would show Up on soviet grounded based radars as
they arked over, the.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
Horizon posinglingly the ground art radars.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
Detected nothing petrov put the odds of a strike being
real at fifty, to fifty no easier to predict than a.
Coin flip he needed, More information he needed. More time
all he had to do was pick up. The phone
but the possible consequences. Were enormous if He told soviet
command to fire, nuclear missiles millions.

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
Would die it Would Start world.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
War three petrov went with his gut and called his
superiors to inform them the system.

Speaker 5 (01:32:55):
Was malfunctioning he was right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Us.

Speaker 5 (01:33:00):
NO attack i bring.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
This, up obviously systems in nineteen eighty three would have
been more primitive in comparison to.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
The kinds of computer equipment.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
That we.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
Have now we are light years ahead of where, we
were but the issue is still. The same the computer
can only do what it's programmed. To do it, can't
question it can't have a. Gut feeling it will simply
go with. Its programming human beings we have abilities to

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question and think outside of the box in a way
that a.

Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
COMPUTER cannot a computer is always within. The, box NOW
before i get to the repercussions, OF that i do
want to answer.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
This question this, person says what's the substack link or
NAME that i?

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Might?

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
Follow you ross got me in? The, substack Yep because
rossa also has, a substack which.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
Is awesome so you just go to substack that's spelled
like a sound substack dot com and just type in,
My Name, christa kafer both. With ks my substec name
is Called think DIFFERENT because i am a little on
the independent. Minded SIDE but i have TO admit I
think i think it's kind of a kind of a

(01:34:20):
lame name for, a SUBSTACK but i. Don't know i'm
definitely open to something new if you have a. Better
idea so our artificial intelligence is. REALLY important i think
it's ultimately going to bring bring a lot of good,
in them particularly in the medical and.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
Scientific arena BUT what i think is really important is
that there always be a human being in, the loop.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
Or at least on, the loop to monitor and confirm
before action is. Taking TAKEN when i discussed this book
with some friends, of mine one. Of them he's got
a little bit of money and he's got one of,
these soft these Self driving.

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
Lexus cars and one friend, asked him because, he said,
OH yeah i use the automated driving thing all.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
The time, he said would you be confident enough to
go to sleep while your car was in automatic? Pilot
mode and, he, said no you would. Not be he
still wants to be on the loop even though the
car is. Driving, itself now as, TO me i Am
not i'm. Not listening i'm, NOT open i should say

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to being in, an automated fully. Automated car my, thought
is if there's a glitch and we're going seventy five
miles an hour down, THE road i don't want to
end up.

Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
It smashed into a mountain because of some glitch in.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
The Programming maybe i'm a, control FREAK but i always
want to have my hands on the wheel and to be.
IN control I think i am certain that it is
better to always have a human being in the loop to,
make decisions or at the very loost on the loop
to supervise.

Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
What's happening as.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
For where we're going, next year perhaps you have a
thought on this at five six SIX and, I know
i don't think we are at, you KNOW we're i
don't think we're headed right Into the. TERMINATOR movie i
do think we are going to start seeing more ADVANCES.

Speaker 5 (01:36:35):
IN ai i also.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Think there's going to be a little bit. Of, pushback
actually there already is some pushback on these, data CENTERS
but i have a hunch there will be. More pushback
so Big, Companies meta google and, so forth. They WILL
there's I think, i said about forty three hundred data

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centers across. The country not all OF, it's ai some
of it is other kinds, of computing some of its.

Speaker 5 (01:37:03):
Data storage but what they need is like a huge amount.
Of land they need a lot, of electricity and they
need they need often need water or some form. Of coolant.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
They make deals to come into communities because, they're, saying,
oh yeah we're in the middle, of nowhere this little town.
Is struggling we're going to bring in a lot. Of
jobs we're going to put together this. Data center it's
going to be great. For you and what some of
these towns are finding is that once the data center,
is built those jobs dry up because they don't take

(01:37:39):
a lot of human beings to actually man the. Data
center one takes a handful of, human beings may have
taken quite a few human beings to actually, build it
but once, it's open that job. Creation dwindles and then
there's the issue. Of power these these centers use an

(01:38:02):
enormous amount. Of power, in fact between twenty twenty four
and twenty, twenty five the increase in data center power
consumption went up by about twenty two percent and is
expected to double from twenty twenty four by. Twenty thirty

(01:38:23):
that's a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:38:23):
Of electricity and certainly it's not the only reason that
our electricity is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
Going up it's going up for a variety. Of reasons
electrification is one. Of them more people have, electric cars.
Electric heating we have embargo against not the, only ones
but a lot of countries are Not buying russian, natural
gas so you have a decrease.

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
In supply.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Then when you have a decrease, in supply demand remains.
The same prices. Go up and then there's the issue
of data centers consuming. Some power and then, another ISSUE
and i could probably do a whole show. ON it
i did write up about my column is a number
of states have put these mandates in place that are

(01:39:15):
not tenable at, this time and those of us who,
are using say, natural gas end up paying a lot
more as the state tries to force us to Use
electric it's interesting there was a study then fairly recently
that showed up the fifteen states that have had an
increase in. Electricity costs fourteen of those fifteen are. Blue

(01:39:38):
states that's because blue states are more likely to have
electricity regulations that cause. Price increases Here, in colorado they
have it in their heads that they can get rid
of fossil, fuels entirely and that's simply not possible without.

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
Nuclear power without.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
Nuclear power you don't have anything to provide that baseload
power if you just have solar and wind AND so
i don't know if we need to send the legislature
to a, HIGH school i, don't know high school science
lab somewhere to say we can't do it with just

(01:40:19):
wind and solar unless you want. Rolling blackouts you either
have to, have coal, natural gas or nuclear to provide
the baseload. Power source with these others making, making contributions.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
Will that always be? The case? Who knows there could
be some great breakthroughs in.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
THE future i do think we're going to see more
nuclear possibly in. The state we used to have a,
plant Up The saint vrain plant Up, near longmont but
it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
Been an operation in a number, of years SO but
i could see us bringing. It back they have new.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
Designs for nuclear reactors that are that are, financially, smaller
safer easier, to BUILD and i could see us moving in.
THAT direction i would not be shocked if within ten
years we have. No coal coal is pretty easy to
phase out in favor of, natural gas of which. We
are we're a producer of both coal and natural gas

(01:41:19):
here in the State.

Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
Of colorado we could see.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
That happen but we can't HAVE the i guess you
call it the carbon free dreams of our democratic legislature
and governor that we can simply get by on wind.

Speaker 5 (01:41:34):
And solar. We can't we.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
Actually have to have a third supply and can't. Be
hydro we simply don't have. Enough water we could, do
nuclear we can do, natural gas but we've got to.

Speaker 5 (01:41:46):
Do something so man for information. Coming in that's kind.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Of interesting this, person says like, you said the amount
of electricity and water these data centers require will ultimately
be detrimental to detrimental. To mankind humans need water and we,
need power we need healthy places, to live. ET cetera
i always say technology will be the death of all.

Speaker 5 (01:42:06):
Of us put it on. My headstone.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
YOU know i think technology can be a, good thing
it can be a, bad thing and in many cases.

Speaker 5 (01:42:15):
It's a little bit a little bit. Of both oh this.
Is sweet some meon, Just said i'm they really like
me as a talk. Show host thank.

Speaker 4 (01:42:23):
You well follow Me At Krista Kaefer christa caefer WITH
a k check me out on.

Speaker 5 (01:42:27):
The SUBSTACK like, I said i may.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
End Up I'm i'm i'm thinking about doing, a podcast
just kind of maybe like a daily analysis.

Speaker 5 (01:42:35):
OF News.

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
I i've got to look into what that will with that.
WILL entail i don't want it TO be i don't
want it to be on. The cheap so it sounds
like it's a totally. AMATEUR thing i, wanted to, you
know have have some quality. To it so so.

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
We'll see. Let's, See Yes saint ray. Is online it's
just it is.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
Gased now but it used to be nuclear when they
when they converted it from nuclear to. Natural gas it
has been natural gas. Ever since, but yeah check. It
out we actually it was a nuclear pet plant at.
ONE point i believe it was, helium cooled which made
it kind. Of unique it was an. EXPENSIVE operation i
think ultimately that is what is what. Did it in,

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another comment coming in power is the biggest challenge these
days for. Data centers we have moved to bring your
own power model and build natural gas stations on site
when building a. Data center small nuclear is being EXPLORED
and i think we will see it in the next couple.

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
OF years i think you're. Spot on they Are.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
Actually google some of these big companies are actually partnering with.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
Power companies as well as nuclear.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
People who developed some of these these small nuclear, reactor
models and they're they're looking at either doing, you know also,
up windmills they'll put. Up solar they're looking at producing
their own power so that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:04):
They have that as a.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
Reliable source and some communities are demanding it. Up front, they're,
saying yeah you can, come here but you need to
show us that you've taken care of your own, power
needs because we're not going to, let you, you know
take it off at the top of.

Speaker 5 (01:44:22):
What we're providing for. Our citizens the, Uh, SO yeah
i think that's a. Great idea, you know there's a.
New website It's. NEW wish i think it's about a.
Year Old It's Energy. Platform news you.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
Have to google IT as i don't know the, actual
url But Google Energy platform news and it will pull
up a new site that has a lot, of short
easy to read articles about energy and it's. PRETTY interesting
i like it. A lot this person says that they're also.
PRO nuclearsomia i think it could BE a i think

(01:44:56):
it could BE a.

Speaker 5 (01:44:58):
I think it could be a.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
Great idea it's, a lot, YOU know i think for,
Good reason chernobyl left a bad taste in.

Speaker 5 (01:45:05):
People's mouths that's the best way to. Put It it.
It was it, was horrific an absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
Horrific event but it was horrific for a variety, of
reasons including the fact That the soviet government refused to
save the citizens and left them there. To die as nuclear,
you know nuclear all out basically happened on the. Entire
city there's there's there's reasons why things could go wrong

(01:45:38):
and reasons why they very rarely do. Go wrong it
is heavily regulated and a lot of safety measures are
in places in place to make sure that nuclear power
runs according, to plan and hey we.

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
Are hitting the. Wall here This Is.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Krista kaefer thank you so much for tuning. IN today
i know it's hard when the real host. Is Gone
mandy connell will return in the. New year and Thank,
you grant and thank. You everyone it's been a. Terrific
time This is christy kay first. Signing out you're listening
to eight POINT.

Speaker 5 (01:46:08):
Fifty koa