September 13, 2021 • 38 mins
President Biden rolls out a major vaccination mandate, Roy Wood Jr. worries about the rise of the Mu COVID-19 variant, and Dr. Anthony Fauci talks vaccine disinformation.
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Anthony Fauci. This's the Daily Show with Trevor. Hey, what's
going on everybody? I'm Trevor Noah, and this is the
Daily Show. I mean, it looks different than when we left,
you know, because we have a brand new studio here
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in Times Square. You see, I actually would have kept
doing the show from my apartment, but then I started
to have problems with the WiFi, and I decided that
building an entirely new studio was easier than calling Spectrum.
So here we are. You know, it's a little different,
you know, and people are still like wearing masks and
trying to stay safe, and you know, so it's not
socially distant, it's just sort of, you know, distant. I
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guess it's like the daily sort of distancing show. Trademark
that trademark that anyway, Today is Monday, September and Saturday,
as you know, was September eleven, the twentieth anniversary of
the two thousand and one attack on the United States.
And I know it was a somber occasion, but personally
I found it uplifting as well. You know, it's actually
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inspiring to remember how things can be when people all
come together with a single purpose to help each other.
And also it's just interesting to look back twenty years
and see how much things have changed. I mean, for example,
twenty years ago, Rudy Giuliani was America's mayor, projecting calm
and sobriety when the country needed it most. But as
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Saturday's commemoration, Giuliani was not that. I don't want to
sound like a name dropper, but I told this to
the Queen of England. She said, you did. You did
a wonderful job on September living and therefore I'm making
you an honorary night commander of the Royal something. Rather,
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I turned down a knighthood because if you took a
nicely you had to lose your citizenship. I know, Prince
Andrew is very questionable. Now. I never went out with
him ever, never, never had a drink with him, never
was with a woman or a young girl with him ever.
One time I met him in my office and one
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time when we had the party, right Bernie, you were there?
Oh man, How only Rudy can spend the anniversary talking
about the time he hung out with Jeffrey Epstein's alleged
pedophile friend. You know, your speech went off the rails
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when people watching it are like, I wish this guy
would talk more about nine eleven. What is he doing?
I mean, my favorite part of this whole thing is
how Rudy Giuliani can't even get his story straight while
he's telling it. I never once met Prince Andrew never.
I mean, yeah, one time we hung out in my
office and we had that party that time Bernie remembers
that don't you don't you Bernie? I mean, I don't
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know who Bernie is, but I bet he and his
wife had a very long car ride home. But it
turns out Rudy wasn't the only politician observing the day. Yeah,
President Biden went to the World Trade Center with former
presidents of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and George W. Bush,
who gave a really beautiful and inspiring speech about unity
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and democracy. I mean, don't get me wrong, he skipped
the pages about opening torture chambers and invading random countries
that had nothing to do with nine eleven. But aside
from that, it was a beautiful, beautiful speech. And while
that's the way, you know, the traditional way for former
presidents to commemorate nine eleven, there's one president who's never
been about the traditional. During visit with firefighters to commemorate
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the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven, form President Donald Trump
repeated the false claim that he won the election, and
we won the election. But what are you gonna do wrong?
We are fighting like hell and we're gonna keep fighting.
Trump then left for Florida, where he provide a commentary
for a pay per view boxing match that let's see
what happens with the scoring. Yeah, this is boxing. You
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never know who's gonna until it's officials. Like collections, I've
seen some of them do. Yeah, Donald Trump spent nine
eleven do live commentary for a boxing match. How is
this his life? Like? How is he doing that? You know?
Sometimes sometimes I think Donald Trump is just to make
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a wish kid who never died. I wanna be on
TV anything you want, big guy. Now I want to
be president of the United States. I mean sure, I
guess now I want to be a boxing commentator. Shouldn't
you be dead by now? Who? Like? How old is
this kid? Where did we get him from? And look,
I'm not judging Trump, like I'm happy anytime an unemployed
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person finds work. And I would definitely rather have him
at a boxing match instead of hosting a memorial ceremony.
And here comes the widows crying, some of the biggest cheers,
the wettest cheers you've ever seen. Aren't these ladies so beautiful?
But honestly, I feel like this says more about the
state of boxing than it does about Trump. I mean,
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have you seen boxing these days? Every fight it's just
a massive gimmick. Now Trump is commentating Logan Paul is
fighting a polar Bay on roller skates, Like whatever happened
to two men just getting in the ring and trying
to beat each other to death for money. Huh shame
all right, And finally some environmental news. These days, everyone
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is trying to consume less and recycle more, and now
Taco Bell, America's third largest fast food chain and pizza
hot Stoner roommates, is doing its parts. Taco Bell wants
you to send him your trash. The fast food chain
says it plans to launch a nationwide pilot program for
customers to send back used hot sauce packets in the
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mail so that they can be recycled and not end
up in a landfill. Taco Bell says it's using the
mail because most people aren't physically eating at a restaurant. Okay,
first off, it's a little ominous how Taco Bell is like,
please people, we do not want the sauce to end
up in a landfill? Like why what's gonna happen? We're
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gonna end up with like mutant seagulls? Is that where
corona came from? But more importantly, this idea has all
sorts of problems with it. For one thing, people who
eat at Taco Bell don't care about the environment. I mean,
they don't even care about their own bodies, polar bears
are concerned about them, not to mention the environmental impact.
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Think about it, shipping empty sauce packets across the continent, Guys,
I feel like it's much less wasteful for the packets
to just stay where they are now in our kitchen drawers,
you know, between some dead batteries and a bottle of
crazy glue that you used once before the cap got stuck.
They're doing pretty good there. So yeah, this is a
weird idea, you know, but what do you expect, you know,
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coming up with weird ideas? Is Taco Bell's whole thing?
You know, this is a place that will still wrap
a soft shell around a hard shell and wrap that
inside of Derido's chip, which is delicious. But you really
think their idea to save the environment is going to
make ends. I mean, I'm just glad that they're trying
to help, although maybe they could start by not handing
out a million source packets with each order. Maybe that's it,
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you know, I order one taco and I get enough
mild source to water board it. If Taco Bell wants
my advice, this is what you should do, Taco Bell.
You should just have somebody holding the source at the
drive through to squirt it on people's food. Yeah, my
aunt used to do that whenever we have a cookout
at the family thing. She didn't want us wasting, catchup
and all of those things, so she'd be like, hold
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out your hot dog, hold it out. That's enough. Move,
that's enough move, that's enough move. But let's move on
now to our top story. For months now, the US
government has been doing everything it could to convince people
to get vaccinated. They made the vaccine free, but that
didn't work, so then they started trying to pay people
to get it, but that didn't get everyone either. So
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then they threatened to put Mike Richard's back as Jeopardy hosts,
but that still didn't get the job done. Because you see,
as of today, only sixty repercent of people twelve and
older are fully vaccinated. And it seems like President Biden
is done waiting. Clearly frustrated by the pace of COVID
nineteen vaccinations in this country, President Biden tonight is trading
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out the velvet glove for a hammer, unveiling a broad
and largely new COVID strategy heavily grounded in vaccine mandates.
Meant to compel millions of American workers to be vaccinated.
President Biden announced sweeping coronavirus vaccine mandates Thursday, requiring all
federal workers and government contractors to be fully vaccinated. He's
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also ordering all businesses with more than one hundred employees
to require shots or weekly testing for their workers. Companies
that failed to comply could face fines of fourteen thousand
dollars per violation. My message to unvaccinated Americans is this,
what more is there to wait for? What more do
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you need to see patient? But our patients is wearing
thin and your refusal has cost all of us. Damn.
This guy's not playing games getting your vaccine. It's a mandate.
You say what you want about Biden. He's not messing around, man.
This is actually what American needs. You know, Americans should say.
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The new law is every president has to be at
least ninety years old and knocking on death's door. Yeah,
just making policies like they're crossing ship off their bucket list.
I don't care about re election. I'm doing what I said.
And if you ask me, it's actually smart of Biden
to do this mandate through people's employers. That's smart. Yeah,
it's not the government coming for you, it's your employer,
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because Americans already used to the employer having a ton
of power over their lives. I mean, think about it.
Your employer can tell you what to wear, what time
you've got to be there, when you can leave. I mean,
they can even put up a sign on the bathroom
door that says do not use, and then you just
gotta not poop. That's power. But still a lot of
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people are wondering if Biden is even allowed to do this,
And according to the Biden administration, the answer is yes.
The White House believes it's on solid legal footing, insisting
the federal government has the power to protect workers from
grave danger under the Occupational Safety and Health Act of
nineteen seventy. We have never used OSHA. We have never
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used the power of the federal government to mandate vaccines
for this many people before. That doesn't mean that it's
legally weak. It just means we've never seen OSHA, for instance,
that was established fifty years ago, impose vaccine mandates to
this extent, and it's new, But that doesn't mean it's illegal.
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That's right. Biden is issuing this mandate thanks to a
law from seventy that has never been used for something
like this before. And a lot of experts agree with
him on this. But I just love how there's so
many laws out there that you can find one for
basically anything you want to do. You know. I feel
like America's laws are like like a mom's handbag, whatever
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you could possibly need, it's somehow in there. You know,
you can have sex on the beds at a mattress
store and if anyone objects, you can just be like, clearly,
you've never heard of the taft Heartily Act. But while
many health experts are are happy to see Biden doing
whatever he can to force people to get vaccinated, many
Republicans think Biden basically just took a dump on the Constitution,
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and according to them, they're not going to stand there
and smell it. The Republican National Committee is threatening to
soothe the administration with at least nineteen g OP governors
vowing to defy the rules. What the Biden administration is
doing is government overached, pure and simple. This president is
saying to them, look, you can either get vaccinated or
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ah as one individual is going to threaten your ability
to feed your family, and that's just wrong. You should
not lose your job just because Joe Biden is having
this hissy fit. The governor of South Carolina saying he
will fight them to the gates of hell. Wow, fight
them to the gates of hell. I mean, normally that
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statement is hyperbole. But with COVID you might actually get
the chance. Yeah, COVID doesn't mess around. So these Republican
governors say that they're going to sue because of the mandate,
and who knows, they might even win because you've seen
the Supreme Court now you know Republicans run that ship
these days. Republicans saying I'll take you to court basically
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is the same as them saying, let's see what my
dad has to say about this. What do you say,
Dad Gossage? What do you say? And what's interesting to
me about the mandate is that part of the reason
Biden wants it is to help the economy. You know,
he wants people to get vaccinated so that they can
go back and work. So you think the Republicans would
agree with this. I mean, they're the one saying people
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have to go back to work, so we gotta get
rid of the unemployment. Benefits, and then Biden says, yeah,
and also they have to get the vaccines. What no, no, no, no, no,
we only want to do it in a way that
screws poor people. Now, look, if these Republican governments had
their way instead of the mandate, the government would just
keep trying to educate and convince people to take the
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vaccine on their own. What makes that difficult, and what
everyone has to acknowledge is that there's one reason to
get a vaccine. There's only one reason to get the vaccine,
and that's to not get COVID and go to hospital.
But people who don't want the vaccine, they have like
five thousand reasons that they don't want to take it.
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You know. Some people say there's not enough research on
it yet. Some people are hesitant because they're worried about
the side effects. Some people are hesitant because they think
they're healthy enough to handle it on their own. Some
people think there's a microchip in it where people can
track you. Wait, the vaccine is tracking you. The vaccine
is tracking us. You mean, like the iPhone that's always
in your pocket. Yeah, just like the iPhone. Crazy, I know, crazy, right? Wait,
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what so you see that's why a mandate might be
the only way to get the vaccination numbers up. But
that doesn't mean that people are going to go along
easily any mandates, no matter how much it seems like
common sense to some people, is gonna make other people
really mad. And it's not just a vaccine. This has
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happened before you realize that. Right. There was a time
in America when a lot of people refused to wear seatbelts.
And when the government finally stepped in and said you
have to wear a seatbelt, Boy, did they get piste off.
It's a new seatbelt ordinance. If the town council gets
its way, sat belts will be mandatory for everybody riding
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in the front seat of a car through a rich
Land I left to detour of the town to get
to Calamazoo to pass the seat belts. Artist, right, don't
use the seat felt. I would wear my seatbelt to
get caught. I get caught against Florida Highway Patrol Lieutenant
Chris Miller. Here's it all when it comes to seatbelts.
I hear it's uncomfortable. Um, it wrinkles my clothes. Um,
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it's not cool, it's not freedom no more. You don't
want to words. Mm hmm sound sound familiar. Yeah. All
the complaints about seatbelts back then are the same things
you hear now about vaccines. I mean, except for the
wrinkling clothes. That's a very rare side effect of the vaccines.
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So look, the backlash to these vaccine mandates are really nothing. Unique. Mandates,
by their nature build resistance, and if Biden is going
to be doing that, I hope he is ready for
what's going to happen, right because mandates turn I don't
knows into fu cuse. So even if you think mandates
are necessary, all I'm saying is buckle up, all right.
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When we come back, Roy Wood Jr. Is going to
tell me what COVID has taught him about life, and
the one and only Dr Anthony Fauci is joining me
on the show, So don't go away. Welcome back to
the daily sort of distancing show. Last week, the United
States surpassed forty million total cases of the coronavirus, which
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means American now has almost as many COVID cases as
streaming networks, and for the last several months, most of
those cases have been caused by the highly infectious Delta variant.
But just like Travis Barker replaced Scott Distric, there's a
hot new variant that's taken over. As the Delta variant
is sweeping through America's unvaccinated communities, the WHO is warning
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of yet another variant of interest. The new variant, first
identified in Columbia back in January, has now been detected
in every US state except for Nebraska. Well officials say
it is not an immediate threat. The variants quote constellation
of mutations suggest that it could actually invade vaccines new
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new No people, I'm sorry, this pandemic has already been
so hard. I'm not also gonna start learning Greek cow.
I'm not even sure which one is is new or new?
How do you? How do you say that new new? Now?
While all of these new variants have gotten everyone frazzled.
I talked to Roy with Junior and my good friend
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about it, and it turns out variants are a lot
more common than we think. Check it out, my man, Roy,
what's up? Man? What's going on? My dude? I don't
think you were gonna come when I said, when you
come to the studio and chat to me. Where you came?
I appreciate that about it though, but I couldn't see
you came. I appreciate that. I don't do that though,
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do that, man, No disrespect to you. Man, I can't
hear your hands touching me. I don't know what kind
of variants you got. Man, I'm fling. You know how
I talked to people now, See, you ain't seen me
in a while. When I when I talk to people, now,
I do that. Queen of England, I hit him with that.
Queen of Lizabe hit him with it. So you don't
you don't touch That's ridiculous. Okay, I'm just gonna tell
you right now, that's ridiculous, all right, because I washed
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my hands vaccinated, vaccinated. You can adapt me. If you
want to adapt me, you can. You can something. I'm sorry.
He's various. Got me all freaked out. Man, you gotta
get tested again, and then you gotta get boosters. We didn't.
We was done with mask for a while. Now we
gotta put the mask back home. Look, man, it's given
my goal to your complex. I grew this ship out
so people could see it, and now you have to
cover it. My goal to your complex. That some bullshit.
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I'm ashamed of it. If you don't add the same
thing with my dimples. I was excited. They were like,
the thing is finished. I can take the Moscow have
the dimples. Now have to cover the dimples. People don't
realize the dimples gotta breathe. Do you get instid of
the dimples? Rea, don't anything breathe? The point of having
dimples if you can't show them ships the same thing
with a goatie, my friend. People don't know you have
face hair. People need to know about that. Boy. You know,
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I'll be honest with your roy I'll be honest with you.
This whole thing has been a learning experience for me.
I don't even like it's it's been a revelation. I
didn't even know that viruses could like mute hate so
far variance more variants tell you something. Before Corona, I
ain't know a damn thing about viruses. I thought people
got chicken pots because they didn't use protection on the phone.
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But then I started watching Faulchi. Right. I started watching
Fauchi for like a year. Now I'm an expert on
this ship. I'll be watching them COVID numbers like the
stock market every morning. I'd be calling up my friends
a dog. The server prevalence exceeded all one council to cookout. Click. Wait,
so you were having cookouts. I told you to invite
me to the cookout. If you had a cooked done.
You told me about the COVID that was I'll let
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you know that wasn't the one that stay focused on COVID, man,
Just say, here's the thing. Here's the thing I learned
about these variants. Man, the more I learned about the
COVID variance, what I've realized, right, is that variance everywhere.
This COVID thing ain't isolated. If you stop out a
problem quick, it ain't gonna mutate. But if you let
a problem linger, it's gonna always mutate into some weird ship.
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Look at Trump, like Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump
case some point, what we did with Trump, we let
him run around four years, right, and if we let
him run around, But yeah, I know what you ran
around four years not mother was running around? Okay, okay,
So what we got now after Trump? You got variants.
Marjorie Taylor Green, You got Matt Gates all up in
our face. Matt Gates, look at damn food, look like
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one of the people in mine craft only you can't
can't let your kids play with him? Well, okay, no, no,
I think I see what you're saying. The longer you
let something bad faster the wild, that it's gonna get
so like climate change, right because we kim of change.
They said to us, you guys need to cut down
on the fossil fuels. And then a society, we were like, no,
we don't want Well we've got like it went from
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hottest summers and now we have like fire tornadoes. Variant
fire tornadoes. Dog. I mean, at least with a regular
tornado you get to enjoy a view while you're getting
whipped around through the sky. Climate change rule one of
the best parts of being in a damned tornado. I'm
not from a place of tornadoes, so I'll just have
to take your way from Alabama. I'm the tornado expert.
You know which variant we really needed to stop the
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for it got out of hand. Kanye, Kanye, Kanye. It
was going well, we didn't. I should have said something
when he started saying slavery was a choice and rapping
about pooperty school off the top. You already know it's
never a good sign when your rappings sound like rules
at a dog park. But we didn't stop them. We're
stopping We didn't stop him. And what can you start doing?
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Start living in the basement of the stadium and start
dropping albums that's damn two hours long, But I want
to listen to no damn two hours. Let me tell
you something. If your album is more than two hours,
that's not an album. That's a mother book. It's a book.
I don't want to listen to your book. I mean, look,
I'm not gonna lie when you when you put it
that way, When you put it that way, variants are
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everywhere the like, it's not just a virus, it's it's
it's politicians, it's politics, it's people. It's just like, if
you let the thing get out of hand, then that's
it's so. Then the question is what do we do?
It was simple. Every problem has a vaccine. You just
gotta take it. For like mega politicians, the vaccine is
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voting for climate change, is renewable energy for Donda. I
don't know. I guess it's just somebody just ripping my
ears off or some no hold up, or it's not
that bad, it's not that bad. No, it's not. No,
it's not that I don't want to hear. No, it's
not that bad. I put noise canceling headphones on top
of my beats. That's not terrible. That No, No, Roy, Roy,
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do not the old Kanye that just interrupted White Women.
That's the one I like. Roy, It's not that bad.
It's not that five tracks are amazing. Be on it.
Out of seventy five tracks are amazing. Podcast that man
tricked you all into. Well, no, no, no, no, no.
It's not a great album, but there are some good songs.
It's not You've just got to find the songs in
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the album. You took a piece of ship. I bet
you can find something edible if you look through it
long enough to find some corn? Does that make that
ship good? Kanye is not ship? Take that back, Roy,
I didn't say that there were no corn. I just
said this one was a turn all right. When we
come back, I'll be talking to the Corona fighter in chief,
Doctor Anthony Fauci. You don't want to miss it. Welcome
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back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is America's
top infectious disease experts, Dr Anthony Faucci. He's gonna give
us the latest on COVID, the vaccine, and all of
the vaccine mandates. Dr Fauci, it is an absolute honor
to have you not just back on the show, but
back in in my new little space. Um. So, first
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things first, congrats on still being the Chief Medical Advisers
to the President. Um, depending on what media I'm consuming,
you're either hailed as a hero or you are calling
people are calling for you to be fired. My question
to you is do you always just have to have
your your LinkedIn profile ready and loaded because you never
know what it's gonna be like for you, not really,
not really each other, not not really at all. So
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you're sta, yeah, yeah, I'm from pretty good shape. I mean,
you're right. There are a lot of slings and arrows
that come with this job, but that's to be expected.
It's it's a very controversial issue and very charged in
many respects, particularly with regard to some of the things
we're gonna be talking about. Mandates and vaccines and masks
and all the other things. They get people very exercised.
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So let's talk a little bit about that. Let's jump
straight in. You know, you have been working in the
field of infectious diseases for I mean a lifetime. You
have seen pandemics and epidemics come and go, but this
feels unique. It feels unique and that people are fighting
not just against the virus but also against what many
people are touting as the solution, aka the vaccine. Do
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you feel that your team could be doing a better
job in convincing people to hit the vac to get
the vaccine or do you think we've gotten to a
point where now politics has taken over the conversation. Well,
we always can do better, and what we're trying to do, Trevor,
is to get, for example, trusted messengers from the community
to try and convince those people who have been conclitrant
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about getting vaccinated. People who don't want to get vaccinated
are not a homogeneous group. They have different reasons why
they don't want to get vaccinated. Some of them just
need more information, some of the understandable suspicions about how
quickly things were done, and some just need a little coaxing.
But there are some, and I believe it's a substantial
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proportion of the remainder. There are about seventy five million
people who are eligible to be vaccinated, who have not
gotten vaccinated. Many of them are really almost for ideological reasons,
because it's no accident when you look at the under
vaccinated states and those places where you're having surges of
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virus more so than in any other part of the country,
it's very heavily weighted towards red states as opposed to
blue states, and that really shouldn't be, Trevor, it should
not be. This is a public health issue, and as
you said very appropriately moment ago, the common enemy is
the virus. There shouldn't be the divisiveness that we're seeing.
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We're trying our best to convince people, but you reach
a certain point where you almost hit a wall that
you're not going to get to a certain group of people,
and that's where mandates come in. I mean, no one
likes to mandate people to do things that they may
not want to do, but sometimes for the greater good
of society, you have to do that. You know, the
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same thing like seatbelts and things like that that we do,
you have to do it. But when you when you
look at mandates in a world where so many people
are unsure of the vaccines, in a world where people
are still reading about side effects, you know, people who
may or may not have died. You know, a study
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just came out now about adolescence having especially with teen boys,
having a greater likelihood of getting a side effect than
getting any of the bad symptoms from COVID. Isn't it
difficult to then convince people in that world because it
feels like, you know, the government is forcing them to
do something before everybody knows about the vaccine. Or do
you feel that if we don't act now, then we're
facing down the barrel of an even worse gun. I
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think the latter, but with regard to you mentioned a
moment ago, one of the problems, Trevor, is that there's
a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there. The thing
we need to do is to get as much correct
information out there. For example, many of the points that
you brought up are countered by the mere facts. For example,
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if you do a risk benefit ratio of the benefit
of getting vaccinated, particularly among younger people who might have
a greater likelihood of getting this unusual and rare adverse
event of myocarditis, which is a inflammation of the heart
almost invariably resolves without any real negative consequence. Is that
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when you do that risk benefit ratio, and it's done
in a very serious way by statisticians that the benefit
of getting the vaccine far outweighs the risk. That's just
a fact. And then when you think about the other
misperceptions that are due to misinformation and disinformation, you just
have to be patient and do your very best to
(29:22):
counter the misinformation, and I believe when we do that,
you will gradually see people. For example, one of the
things that was a sort of a stumbling block was
that the Fiser vaccine did not get yet full stamp
of approval what we call the b l A for
a biological license application. As a matter of fact, it
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now does have the stamp of approval. So many people
who are saying, I don't believe all you're saying, I
want the stamp of approval of the FDA. Now we're
seeing some people who were not amenable to getting vaccinated
are now getting vaccinated. But we're getting to your ladder point.
We've really reached the point now where where although we're
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still vaccinating people at a reasonable rate, we don't want
to go into the full the children going back to school,
they're getting into the holiday season. When you have such
a substantial proportion of the population, i e. Seventy five
million of the eligible people who are not getting vaccinated.
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That's just asking for trouble before I let you go.
One of the things I learned the last time I
spoke to you is that people sometimes don't really get
the science. I know. I'm one of them. I'm not
a scientist. I I get the basics and that's about it. However,
I do understand people's actions, and so we asked you
what to do without Amazon packages, We asked you what
to do in public, et cetera. So I wanted to
(30:49):
ask you if you wouldn't mind playing a game with
me called would you rather? It's really simple questions, just
so I understand what Dr Fauci would rather do, because
in life we have to make decisions. Are your game?
I'm alright, don't worry. I'm I'm not gonna get you fired.
Dr Fauci, were just it's just a question. It's just
the thing. Um, Okay, would you rather attend an outdoor
(31:10):
concerts in West Virginia like right now, or an indoor
concerts in Vermont? That's a good question. I think outdoors
is always better than indoors. I'm fully vaccinated. I probably
would wear a mask. But outdoors is that much better
than indoors, even in a place where the numbers are spiking. Yeah,
(31:32):
you know again, I know who you're wrong. I know
I'm putting you in a touchpot. Please, don't get me wrong.
Don't get me wrong. I know what I'm doing. That's
the whole point of the game. I know what I'm doing.
But you're saying outdoor is still yeah. No, no, I
would never do that. I will fight the people who
sound bite the show, Doctor Fauci. We were having a
conversation here, but the outdoor is the important thing, is
what you're saying. Okay, okay, okay. Would you rather watch
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the movie Shangshi in a movie theater or on an airplane?
You know, it's very interesting. Airplanes are doing what they
can to really provide protection with HEPA filters and having
people wear masks. I'm not sure what the movie theaters
are doing. If they're providing really good ventilation, I think
it could be an even match there. But until I
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know what the movie theaters are doing, I know what
the airlines are doing, so I would probably be in
an airline. Okay. Final question, would you Dr Fauci, rather
fights one horse sized duck that has COVID, one horse
sized duck that has COVID or one hundred duck sized
horses that have COVID. I go for the one on
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one as opposed to the many. I see is this
is is because of like the risk of spreading amongst
the many, and you can handle the one exactly. Okay,
all right, Well, I know you're a busy man. I'm
I'm always grateful to you for taking the time. I'm
grateful to you for being calm um. I know you
are one of the most hated and loved people on
the planet, and you it sucked into the politics when
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you just want to talk about the medicine. So thank
you for joining me on the show. I hope to
see you back. Hopefully next time we see you back,
there will be a thousand people with us. There will
be no more pandemic, and we'll be laughing about how
we we we fought this thing and we want so.
Dr Fauci, thank you so much again for your time.
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Thank you.
All Right, We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll
be right back after this, well, that's our show for
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tonight's until tomorrow. Stay safe out there, get your vaccine,
and remember mail your unfinished sauce packets back to Taco
Bell and mail your gordita to me because I'm hungry.
What's the Daily Show? Weeknights at eleven Central. Learned Comedy
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(33:50):
has been a Comedy Central podcast
You're listening to Comedy Central, my New York neighbors. I've
got some great news. It turns out I can take
the show from a studio again. Yeah, which means I
won't be taping from the apartment the Unfortunately, we won't
be as close. But I just want you guys to
know that I'm gonna miss you. How about you miss
(00:22):
shutting up? Huh? We love you, two asshole. Coming to
you from a heart of Times Square, the most important
place on Earth. It's The Daily Show, Ears edition coming out,
Biden lays down the lawn, COVID's Next Move, and Dr
(00:44):
Anthony Fauci. This's the Daily Show with Trevor. Hey, what's
going on everybody? I'm Trevor Noah, and this is the
Daily Show. I mean, it looks different than when we left,
you know, because we have a brand new studio here
(01:05):
in Times Square. You see, I actually would have kept
doing the show from my apartment, but then I started
to have problems with the WiFi, and I decided that
building an entirely new studio was easier than calling Spectrum.
So here we are. You know, it's a little different,
you know, and people are still like wearing masks and
trying to stay safe, and you know, so it's not
socially distant, it's just sort of, you know, distant. I
(01:26):
guess it's like the daily sort of distancing show. Trademark
that trademark that anyway, Today is Monday, September and Saturday,
as you know, was September eleven, the twentieth anniversary of
the two thousand and one attack on the United States.
And I know it was a somber occasion, but personally
I found it uplifting as well. You know, it's actually
(01:49):
inspiring to remember how things can be when people all
come together with a single purpose to help each other.
And also it's just interesting to look back twenty years
and see how much things have changed. I mean, for example,
twenty years ago, Rudy Giuliani was America's mayor, projecting calm
and sobriety when the country needed it most. But as
(02:12):
Saturday's commemoration, Giuliani was not that. I don't want to
sound like a name dropper, but I told this to
the Queen of England. She said, you did. You did
a wonderful job on September living and therefore I'm making
you an honorary night commander of the Royal something. Rather,
(02:36):
I turned down a knighthood because if you took a
nicely you had to lose your citizenship. I know, Prince
Andrew is very questionable. Now. I never went out with
him ever, never, never had a drink with him, never
was with a woman or a young girl with him ever.
One time I met him in my office and one
(02:57):
time when we had the party, right Bernie, you were there?
Oh man, How only Rudy can spend the anniversary talking
about the time he hung out with Jeffrey Epstein's alleged
pedophile friend. You know, your speech went off the rails
(03:19):
when people watching it are like, I wish this guy
would talk more about nine eleven. What is he doing?
I mean, my favorite part of this whole thing is
how Rudy Giuliani can't even get his story straight while
he's telling it. I never once met Prince Andrew never.
I mean, yeah, one time we hung out in my
office and we had that party that time Bernie remembers
that don't you don't you Bernie? I mean, I don't
(03:41):
know who Bernie is, but I bet he and his
wife had a very long car ride home. But it
turns out Rudy wasn't the only politician observing the day. Yeah,
President Biden went to the World Trade Center with former
presidents of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and George W. Bush,
who gave a really beautiful and inspiring speech about unity
(04:03):
and democracy. I mean, don't get me wrong, he skipped
the pages about opening torture chambers and invading random countries
that had nothing to do with nine eleven. But aside
from that, it was a beautiful, beautiful speech. And while
that's the way, you know, the traditional way for former
presidents to commemorate nine eleven, there's one president who's never
been about the traditional. During visit with firefighters to commemorate
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the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven, form President Donald Trump
repeated the false claim that he won the election, and
we won the election. But what are you gonna do wrong?
We are fighting like hell and we're gonna keep fighting.
Trump then left for Florida, where he provide a commentary
for a pay per view boxing match that let's see
what happens with the scoring. Yeah, this is boxing. You
(04:48):
never know who's gonna until it's officials. Like collections, I've
seen some of them do. Yeah, Donald Trump spent nine
eleven do live commentary for a boxing match. How is
this his life? Like? How is he doing that? You know?
Sometimes sometimes I think Donald Trump is just to make
(05:09):
a wish kid who never died. I wanna be on
TV anything you want, big guy. Now I want to
be president of the United States. I mean sure, I
guess now I want to be a boxing commentator. Shouldn't
you be dead by now? Who? Like? How old is
this kid? Where did we get him from? And look,
I'm not judging Trump, like I'm happy anytime an unemployed
(05:33):
person finds work. And I would definitely rather have him
at a boxing match instead of hosting a memorial ceremony.
And here comes the widows crying, some of the biggest cheers,
the wettest cheers you've ever seen. Aren't these ladies so beautiful?
But honestly, I feel like this says more about the
state of boxing than it does about Trump. I mean,
(05:56):
have you seen boxing these days? Every fight it's just
a massive gimmick. Now Trump is commentating Logan Paul is
fighting a polar Bay on roller skates, Like whatever happened
to two men just getting in the ring and trying
to beat each other to death for money. Huh shame
all right, And finally some environmental news. These days, everyone
(06:18):
is trying to consume less and recycle more, and now
Taco Bell, America's third largest fast food chain and pizza
hot Stoner roommates, is doing its parts. Taco Bell wants
you to send him your trash. The fast food chain
says it plans to launch a nationwide pilot program for
customers to send back used hot sauce packets in the
(06:41):
mail so that they can be recycled and not end
up in a landfill. Taco Bell says it's using the
mail because most people aren't physically eating at a restaurant. Okay,
first off, it's a little ominous how Taco Bell is like,
please people, we do not want the sauce to end
up in a landfill? Like why what's gonna happen? We're
(07:03):
gonna end up with like mutant seagulls? Is that where
corona came from? But more importantly, this idea has all
sorts of problems with it. For one thing, people who
eat at Taco Bell don't care about the environment. I mean,
they don't even care about their own bodies, polar bears
are concerned about them, not to mention the environmental impact.
(07:24):
Think about it, shipping empty sauce packets across the continent, Guys,
I feel like it's much less wasteful for the packets
to just stay where they are now in our kitchen drawers,
you know, between some dead batteries and a bottle of
crazy glue that you used once before the cap got stuck.
They're doing pretty good there. So yeah, this is a
weird idea, you know, but what do you expect, you know,
(07:47):
coming up with weird ideas? Is Taco Bell's whole thing?
You know, this is a place that will still wrap
a soft shell around a hard shell and wrap that
inside of Derido's chip, which is delicious. But you really
think their idea to save the environment is going to
make ends. I mean, I'm just glad that they're trying
to help, although maybe they could start by not handing
out a million source packets with each order. Maybe that's it,
(08:08):
you know, I order one taco and I get enough
mild source to water board it. If Taco Bell wants
my advice, this is what you should do, Taco Bell.
You should just have somebody holding the source at the
drive through to squirt it on people's food. Yeah, my
aunt used to do that whenever we have a cookout
at the family thing. She didn't want us wasting, catchup
and all of those things, so she'd be like, hold
(08:30):
out your hot dog, hold it out. That's enough. Move,
that's enough move, that's enough move. But let's move on
now to our top story. For months now, the US
government has been doing everything it could to convince people
to get vaccinated. They made the vaccine free, but that
didn't work, so then they started trying to pay people
to get it, but that didn't get everyone either. So
(08:50):
then they threatened to put Mike Richard's back as Jeopardy hosts,
but that still didn't get the job done. Because you see,
as of today, only sixty repercent of people twelve and
older are fully vaccinated. And it seems like President Biden
is done waiting. Clearly frustrated by the pace of COVID
nineteen vaccinations in this country, President Biden tonight is trading
(09:14):
out the velvet glove for a hammer, unveiling a broad
and largely new COVID strategy heavily grounded in vaccine mandates.
Meant to compel millions of American workers to be vaccinated.
President Biden announced sweeping coronavirus vaccine mandates Thursday, requiring all
federal workers and government contractors to be fully vaccinated. He's
(09:37):
also ordering all businesses with more than one hundred employees
to require shots or weekly testing for their workers. Companies
that failed to comply could face fines of fourteen thousand
dollars per violation. My message to unvaccinated Americans is this,
what more is there to wait for? What more do
(09:59):
you need to see patient? But our patients is wearing
thin and your refusal has cost all of us. Damn.
This guy's not playing games getting your vaccine. It's a mandate.
You say what you want about Biden. He's not messing around, man.
This is actually what American needs. You know, Americans should say.
(10:20):
The new law is every president has to be at
least ninety years old and knocking on death's door. Yeah,
just making policies like they're crossing ship off their bucket list.
I don't care about re election. I'm doing what I said.
And if you ask me, it's actually smart of Biden
to do this mandate through people's employers. That's smart. Yeah,
it's not the government coming for you, it's your employer,
(10:40):
because Americans already used to the employer having a ton
of power over their lives. I mean, think about it.
Your employer can tell you what to wear, what time
you've got to be there, when you can leave. I mean,
they can even put up a sign on the bathroom
door that says do not use, and then you just
gotta not poop. That's power. But still a lot of
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people are wondering if Biden is even allowed to do this,
And according to the Biden administration, the answer is yes.
The White House believes it's on solid legal footing, insisting
the federal government has the power to protect workers from
grave danger under the Occupational Safety and Health Act of
nineteen seventy. We have never used OSHA. We have never
(11:23):
used the power of the federal government to mandate vaccines
for this many people before. That doesn't mean that it's
legally weak. It just means we've never seen OSHA, for instance,
that was established fifty years ago, impose vaccine mandates to
this extent, and it's new, But that doesn't mean it's illegal.
(11:45):
That's right. Biden is issuing this mandate thanks to a
law from seventy that has never been used for something
like this before. And a lot of experts agree with
him on this. But I just love how there's so
many laws out there that you can find one for
basically anything you want to do. You know. I feel
like America's laws are like like a mom's handbag, whatever
(12:08):
you could possibly need, it's somehow in there. You know,
you can have sex on the beds at a mattress
store and if anyone objects, you can just be like, clearly,
you've never heard of the taft Heartily Act. But while
many health experts are are happy to see Biden doing
whatever he can to force people to get vaccinated, many
Republicans think Biden basically just took a dump on the Constitution,
(12:30):
and according to them, they're not going to stand there
and smell it. The Republican National Committee is threatening to
soothe the administration with at least nineteen g OP governors
vowing to defy the rules. What the Biden administration is
doing is government overached, pure and simple. This president is
saying to them, look, you can either get vaccinated or
(12:52):
ah as one individual is going to threaten your ability
to feed your family, and that's just wrong. You should
not lose your job just because Joe Biden is having
this hissy fit. The governor of South Carolina saying he
will fight them to the gates of hell. Wow, fight
them to the gates of hell. I mean, normally that
(13:14):
statement is hyperbole. But with COVID you might actually get
the chance. Yeah, COVID doesn't mess around. So these Republican
governors say that they're going to sue because of the mandate,
and who knows, they might even win because you've seen
the Supreme Court now you know Republicans run that ship
these days. Republicans saying I'll take you to court basically
(13:35):
is the same as them saying, let's see what my
dad has to say about this. What do you say,
Dad Gossage? What do you say? And what's interesting to
me about the mandate is that part of the reason
Biden wants it is to help the economy. You know,
he wants people to get vaccinated so that they can
go back and work. So you think the Republicans would
agree with this. I mean, they're the one saying people
(13:56):
have to go back to work, so we gotta get
rid of the unemployment. Benefits, and then Biden says, yeah,
and also they have to get the vaccines. What no, no, no, no, no,
we only want to do it in a way that
screws poor people. Now, look, if these Republican governments had
their way instead of the mandate, the government would just
keep trying to educate and convince people to take the
(14:16):
vaccine on their own. What makes that difficult, and what
everyone has to acknowledge is that there's one reason to
get a vaccine. There's only one reason to get the vaccine,
and that's to not get COVID and go to hospital.
But people who don't want the vaccine, they have like
five thousand reasons that they don't want to take it.
(14:37):
You know. Some people say there's not enough research on
it yet. Some people are hesitant because they're worried about
the side effects. Some people are hesitant because they think
they're healthy enough to handle it on their own. Some
people think there's a microchip in it where people can
track you. Wait, the vaccine is tracking you. The vaccine
is tracking us. You mean, like the iPhone that's always
in your pocket. Yeah, just like the iPhone. Crazy, I know, crazy, right? Wait,
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what so you see that's why a mandate might be
the only way to get the vaccination numbers up. But
that doesn't mean that people are going to go along
easily any mandates, no matter how much it seems like
common sense to some people, is gonna make other people
really mad. And it's not just a vaccine. This has
(15:23):
happened before you realize that. Right. There was a time
in America when a lot of people refused to wear seatbelts.
And when the government finally stepped in and said you
have to wear a seatbelt, Boy, did they get piste off.
It's a new seatbelt ordinance. If the town council gets
its way, sat belts will be mandatory for everybody riding
(15:45):
in the front seat of a car through a rich
Land I left to detour of the town to get
to Calamazoo to pass the seat belts. Artist, right, don't
use the seat felt. I would wear my seatbelt to
get caught. I get caught against Florida Highway Patrol Lieutenant
Chris Miller. Here's it all when it comes to seatbelts.
I hear it's uncomfortable. Um, it wrinkles my clothes. Um,
(16:09):
it's not cool, it's not freedom no more. You don't
want to words. Mm hmm sound sound familiar. Yeah. All
the complaints about seatbelts back then are the same things
you hear now about vaccines. I mean, except for the
wrinkling clothes. That's a very rare side effect of the vaccines.
(16:31):
So look, the backlash to these vaccine mandates are really nothing. Unique. Mandates,
by their nature build resistance, and if Biden is going
to be doing that, I hope he is ready for
what's going to happen, right because mandates turn I don't
knows into fu cuse. So even if you think mandates
are necessary, all I'm saying is buckle up, all right.
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When we come back, Roy Wood Jr. Is going to
tell me what COVID has taught him about life, and
the one and only Dr Anthony Fauci is joining me
on the show, So don't go away. Welcome back to
the daily sort of distancing show. Last week, the United
States surpassed forty million total cases of the coronavirus, which
(17:18):
means American now has almost as many COVID cases as
streaming networks, and for the last several months, most of
those cases have been caused by the highly infectious Delta variant.
But just like Travis Barker replaced Scott Distric, there's a
hot new variant that's taken over. As the Delta variant
is sweeping through America's unvaccinated communities, the WHO is warning
(17:41):
of yet another variant of interest. The new variant, first
identified in Columbia back in January, has now been detected
in every US state except for Nebraska. Well officials say
it is not an immediate threat. The variants quote constellation
of mutations suggest that it could actually invade vaccines new
(18:04):
new No people, I'm sorry, this pandemic has already been
so hard. I'm not also gonna start learning Greek cow.
I'm not even sure which one is is new or new?
How do you? How do you say that new new? Now?
While all of these new variants have gotten everyone frazzled.
I talked to Roy with Junior and my good friend
(18:24):
about it, and it turns out variants are a lot
more common than we think. Check it out, my man, Roy,
what's up? Man? What's going on? My dude? I don't
think you were gonna come when I said, when you
come to the studio and chat to me. Where you came?
I appreciate that about it though, but I couldn't see
you came. I appreciate that. I don't do that though,
(18:45):
do that, man, No disrespect to you. Man, I can't
hear your hands touching me. I don't know what kind
of variants you got. Man, I'm fling. You know how
I talked to people now, See, you ain't seen me
in a while. When I when I talk to people, now,
I do that. Queen of England, I hit him with that.
Queen of Lizabe hit him with it. So you don't
you don't touch That's ridiculous. Okay, I'm just gonna tell
you right now, that's ridiculous, all right, because I washed
(19:05):
my hands vaccinated, vaccinated. You can adapt me. If you
want to adapt me, you can. You can something. I'm sorry.
He's various. Got me all freaked out. Man, you gotta
get tested again, and then you gotta get boosters. We didn't.
We was done with mask for a while. Now we
gotta put the mask back home. Look, man, it's given
my goal to your complex. I grew this ship out
so people could see it, and now you have to
cover it. My goal to your complex. That some bullshit.
(19:28):
I'm ashamed of it. If you don't add the same
thing with my dimples. I was excited. They were like,
the thing is finished. I can take the Moscow have
the dimples. Now have to cover the dimples. People don't
realize the dimples gotta breathe. Do you get instid of
the dimples? Rea, don't anything breathe? The point of having
dimples if you can't show them ships the same thing
with a goatie, my friend. People don't know you have
face hair. People need to know about that. Boy. You know,
(19:50):
I'll be honest with your roy I'll be honest with you.
This whole thing has been a learning experience for me.
I don't even like it's it's been a revelation. I
didn't even know that viruses could like mute hate so
far variance more variants tell you something. Before Corona, I
ain't know a damn thing about viruses. I thought people
got chicken pots because they didn't use protection on the phone.
(20:12):
But then I started watching Faulchi. Right. I started watching
Fauchi for like a year. Now I'm an expert on
this ship. I'll be watching them COVID numbers like the
stock market every morning. I'd be calling up my friends
a dog. The server prevalence exceeded all one council to cookout. Click. Wait,
so you were having cookouts. I told you to invite
me to the cookout. If you had a cooked done.
You told me about the COVID that was I'll let
(20:36):
you know that wasn't the one that stay focused on COVID, man,
Just say, here's the thing. Here's the thing I learned
about these variants. Man, the more I learned about the
COVID variance, what I've realized, right, is that variance everywhere.
This COVID thing ain't isolated. If you stop out a
problem quick, it ain't gonna mutate. But if you let
a problem linger, it's gonna always mutate into some weird ship.
(20:56):
Look at Trump, like Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump
case some point, what we did with Trump, we let
him run around four years, right, and if we let
him run around, But yeah, I know what you ran
around four years not mother was running around? Okay, okay,
So what we got now after Trump? You got variants.
Marjorie Taylor Green, You got Matt Gates all up in
our face. Matt Gates, look at damn food, look like
(21:18):
one of the people in mine craft only you can't
can't let your kids play with him? Well, okay, no, no,
I think I see what you're saying. The longer you
let something bad faster the wild, that it's gonna get
so like climate change, right because we kim of change.
They said to us, you guys need to cut down
on the fossil fuels. And then a society, we were like, no,
we don't want Well we've got like it went from
(21:38):
hottest summers and now we have like fire tornadoes. Variant
fire tornadoes. Dog. I mean, at least with a regular
tornado you get to enjoy a view while you're getting
whipped around through the sky. Climate change rule one of
the best parts of being in a damned tornado. I'm
not from a place of tornadoes, so I'll just have
to take your way from Alabama. I'm the tornado expert.
You know which variant we really needed to stop the
(22:00):
for it got out of hand. Kanye, Kanye, Kanye. It
was going well, we didn't. I should have said something
when he started saying slavery was a choice and rapping
about pooperty school off the top. You already know it's
never a good sign when your rappings sound like rules
at a dog park. But we didn't stop them. We're
stopping We didn't stop him. And what can you start doing?
(22:20):
Start living in the basement of the stadium and start
dropping albums that's damn two hours long, But I want
to listen to no damn two hours. Let me tell
you something. If your album is more than two hours,
that's not an album. That's a mother book. It's a book.
I don't want to listen to your book. I mean, look,
I'm not gonna lie when you when you put it
that way, When you put it that way, variants are
(22:42):
everywhere the like, it's not just a virus, it's it's
it's politicians, it's politics, it's people. It's just like, if
you let the thing get out of hand, then that's
it's so. Then the question is what do we do?
It was simple. Every problem has a vaccine. You just
gotta take it. For like mega politicians, the vaccine is
(23:02):
voting for climate change, is renewable energy for Donda. I
don't know. I guess it's just somebody just ripping my
ears off or some no hold up, or it's not
that bad, it's not that bad. No, it's not. No,
it's not that I don't want to hear. No, it's
not that bad. I put noise canceling headphones on top
of my beats. That's not terrible. That No, No, Roy, Roy,
(23:24):
do not the old Kanye that just interrupted White Women.
That's the one I like. Roy, It's not that bad.
It's not that five tracks are amazing. Be on it.
Out of seventy five tracks are amazing. Podcast that man
tricked you all into. Well, no, no, no, no, no.
It's not a great album, but there are some good songs.
It's not You've just got to find the songs in
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the album. You took a piece of ship. I bet
you can find something edible if you look through it
long enough to find some corn? Does that make that
ship good? Kanye is not ship? Take that back, Roy,
I didn't say that there were no corn. I just
said this one was a turn all right. When we
come back, I'll be talking to the Corona fighter in chief,
Doctor Anthony Fauci. You don't want to miss it. Welcome
(24:09):
back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is America's
top infectious disease experts, Dr Anthony Faucci. He's gonna give
us the latest on COVID, the vaccine, and all of
the vaccine mandates. Dr Fauci, it is an absolute honor
to have you not just back on the show, but
back in in my new little space. Um. So, first
(24:30):
things first, congrats on still being the Chief Medical Advisers
to the President. Um, depending on what media I'm consuming,
you're either hailed as a hero or you are calling
people are calling for you to be fired. My question
to you is do you always just have to have
your your LinkedIn profile ready and loaded because you never
know what it's gonna be like for you, not really,
not really each other, not not really at all. So
(24:53):
you're sta, yeah, yeah, I'm from pretty good shape. I mean,
you're right. There are a lot of slings and arrows
that come with this job, but that's to be expected.
It's it's a very controversial issue and very charged in
many respects, particularly with regard to some of the things
we're gonna be talking about. Mandates and vaccines and masks
and all the other things. They get people very exercised.
(25:16):
So let's talk a little bit about that. Let's jump
straight in. You know, you have been working in the
field of infectious diseases for I mean a lifetime. You
have seen pandemics and epidemics come and go, but this
feels unique. It feels unique and that people are fighting
not just against the virus but also against what many
people are touting as the solution, aka the vaccine. Do
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you feel that your team could be doing a better
job in convincing people to hit the vac to get
the vaccine or do you think we've gotten to a
point where now politics has taken over the conversation. Well,
we always can do better, and what we're trying to do, Trevor,
is to get, for example, trusted messengers from the community
to try and convince those people who have been conclitrant
(26:01):
about getting vaccinated. People who don't want to get vaccinated
are not a homogeneous group. They have different reasons why
they don't want to get vaccinated. Some of them just
need more information, some of the understandable suspicions about how
quickly things were done, and some just need a little coaxing.
But there are some, and I believe it's a substantial
(26:23):
proportion of the remainder. There are about seventy five million
people who are eligible to be vaccinated, who have not
gotten vaccinated. Many of them are really almost for ideological reasons,
because it's no accident when you look at the under
vaccinated states and those places where you're having surges of
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virus more so than in any other part of the country,
it's very heavily weighted towards red states as opposed to
blue states, and that really shouldn't be, Trevor, it should
not be. This is a public health issue, and as
you said very appropriately moment ago, the common enemy is
the virus. There shouldn't be the divisiveness that we're seeing.
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We're trying our best to convince people, but you reach
a certain point where you almost hit a wall that
you're not going to get to a certain group of people,
and that's where mandates come in. I mean, no one
likes to mandate people to do things that they may
not want to do, but sometimes for the greater good
of society, you have to do that. You know, the
(27:28):
same thing like seatbelts and things like that that we do,
you have to do it. But when you when you
look at mandates in a world where so many people
are unsure of the vaccines, in a world where people
are still reading about side effects, you know, people who
may or may not have died. You know, a study
(27:48):
just came out now about adolescence having especially with teen boys,
having a greater likelihood of getting a side effect than
getting any of the bad symptoms from COVID. Isn't it
difficult to then convince people in that world because it
feels like, you know, the government is forcing them to
do something before everybody knows about the vaccine. Or do
you feel that if we don't act now, then we're
facing down the barrel of an even worse gun. I
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think the latter, but with regard to you mentioned a
moment ago, one of the problems, Trevor, is that there's
a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there. The thing
we need to do is to get as much correct
information out there. For example, many of the points that
you brought up are countered by the mere facts. For example,
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if you do a risk benefit ratio of the benefit
of getting vaccinated, particularly among younger people who might have
a greater likelihood of getting this unusual and rare adverse
event of myocarditis, which is a inflammation of the heart
almost invariably resolves without any real negative consequence. Is that
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when you do that risk benefit ratio, and it's done
in a very serious way by statisticians that the benefit
of getting the vaccine far outweighs the risk. That's just
a fact. And then when you think about the other
misperceptions that are due to misinformation and disinformation, you just
have to be patient and do your very best to
(29:22):
counter the misinformation, and I believe when we do that,
you will gradually see people. For example, one of the
things that was a sort of a stumbling block was
that the Fiser vaccine did not get yet full stamp
of approval what we call the b l A for
a biological license application. As a matter of fact, it
(29:44):
now does have the stamp of approval. So many people
who are saying, I don't believe all you're saying, I
want the stamp of approval of the FDA. Now we're
seeing some people who were not amenable to getting vaccinated
are now getting vaccinated. But we're getting to your ladder point.
We've really reached the point now where where although we're
(30:06):
still vaccinating people at a reasonable rate, we don't want
to go into the full the children going back to school,
they're getting into the holiday season. When you have such
a substantial proportion of the population, i e. Seventy five
million of the eligible people who are not getting vaccinated.
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That's just asking for trouble before I let you go.
One of the things I learned the last time I
spoke to you is that people sometimes don't really get
the science. I know. I'm one of them. I'm not
a scientist. I I get the basics and that's about it. However,
I do understand people's actions, and so we asked you
what to do without Amazon packages, We asked you what
to do in public, et cetera. So I wanted to
(30:49):
ask you if you wouldn't mind playing a game with
me called would you rather? It's really simple questions, just
so I understand what Dr Fauci would rather do, because
in life we have to make decisions. Are your game?
I'm alright, don't worry. I'm I'm not gonna get you fired.
Dr Fauci, were just it's just a question. It's just
the thing. Um, Okay, would you rather attend an outdoor
(31:10):
concerts in West Virginia like right now, or an indoor
concerts in Vermont? That's a good question. I think outdoors
is always better than indoors. I'm fully vaccinated. I probably
would wear a mask. But outdoors is that much better
than indoors, even in a place where the numbers are spiking. Yeah,
(31:32):
you know again, I know who you're wrong. I know
I'm putting you in a touchpot. Please, don't get me wrong.
Don't get me wrong. I know what I'm doing. That's
the whole point of the game. I know what I'm doing.
But you're saying outdoor is still yeah. No, no, I
would never do that. I will fight the people who
sound bite the show, Doctor Fauci. We were having a
conversation here, but the outdoor is the important thing, is
what you're saying. Okay, okay, okay. Would you rather watch
(31:54):
the movie Shangshi in a movie theater or on an airplane?
You know, it's very interesting. Airplanes are doing what they
can to really provide protection with HEPA filters and having
people wear masks. I'm not sure what the movie theaters
are doing. If they're providing really good ventilation, I think
it could be an even match there. But until I
(32:17):
know what the movie theaters are doing, I know what
the airlines are doing, so I would probably be in
an airline. Okay. Final question, would you Dr Fauci, rather
fights one horse sized duck that has COVID, one horse
sized duck that has COVID or one hundred duck sized
horses that have COVID. I go for the one on
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one as opposed to the many. I see is this
is is because of like the risk of spreading amongst
the many, and you can handle the one exactly. Okay,
all right, Well, I know you're a busy man. I'm
I'm always grateful to you for taking the time. I'm
grateful to you for being calm um. I know you
are one of the most hated and loved people on
the planet, and you it sucked into the politics when
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you just want to talk about the medicine. So thank
you for joining me on the show. I hope to
see you back. Hopefully next time we see you back,
there will be a thousand people with us. There will
be no more pandemic, and we'll be laughing about how
we we we fought this thing and we want so.
Dr Fauci, thank you so much again for your time.
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Thank you.
All Right, We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll
be right back after this, well, that's our show for
(33:25):
tonight's until tomorrow. Stay safe out there, get your vaccine,
and remember mail your unfinished sauce packets back to Taco
Bell and mail your gordita to me because I'm hungry.
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