December 1, 2021 • 38 mins
Donald Trump reportedly concealed his positive COVID-19 test result before debating Joe Biden, Ryan Busse discusses "Gunfight," and Scottie Pippen talks about "Unguarded."
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Comedy Central. Does anybody here celebrate Spotify? Yeah,
it's like pretty poppy. You love music? Did you get
your like your year? Your list thing that they do
when they wrap up your yearly because they send that
to you and they go like, this is the music
you listen to this year? Like, first of all, why
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do they say congratulations, like you achieved something? Congratulations, Trevor,
you listen to forty hours of music this year? Like
I had a choice, Like, yeah, it was even listening
listening to music or listening to my sixty year old
neighbors smash Like that was my choice basically because I
was gonna listen to the music and them at the
same time. I wanted the music. You know. It's also
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like a weird thing to like wrap up all my
Have you ever been disappointed when you see what your
wrap up is? Because everyone thinks they're a lot cooler
than they are right with their Spotify Everyone's like, oh, ship,
my wrap ups coming. I got this, Kendrick, I got
a little bit of this underground, Yeah, I got this.
We should have wrap ups of like our lives as people,
just like a wrap up of everything. Everyone you hung
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out with everything you did, just to realize like what
a loser you actually were, because we all think we're
a lot cooler than we are. And then when you
look at the wrap up of your year, you'll think
it was all the highlights, and then you realize all
the cool ship you did was like moments. Really, most
of your life was you like scrolling Instagram on the
couch and then scrolling Instagram on the toilets, and then
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going back to the couch and realizing that you left
your phone in the toilets. Coming to you from the
herd of Time st in New York City, the only
city in America. It's The Daily Here's tradition. Tonight, ed
Ryan Bussy, Scottie Pippett. It is The Daily Show with Hey,
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what's going on? Everybody? Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm
Trevor Noah. We got a lot to talk about, so
let's jump straight into the news. Our first story is
about abortion. What no, no, no, no, no, no, guys,
I'm not no, I'm not starting the show with the abortion.
What do you mean? I have to It was my show.
(02:13):
I can choose what I want to do. It's my choice. No,
I'm not yet it's my show. So well, you know what,
I'm I'm not gonna start the show. Yeah, I'm not
gonna start it on that. Yeah, and you can tell
the Supreme Court that I said it. You tell them.
All Right, We're gonna get to the story of the
Supreme Court, but first, let's warm up with a more
fun story. Yeah for yours. One of cable News's biggest
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stars has been Chris Cuomo, right, CNN anchor and Human
Protein Shake. But now Cuomo's network has decided that they've
had enough of his extracurricular activities. CNN has suspended anchor
Chris Cuomo indefinitely. It comes after records showed Cuomo took
an active role in helping his brother, the former governor
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of New York, responds to sexual harassment charges. Text messages
that interviewed transcripts released this week by the New York
Attorney General's Office showing Chris Cuomo helped prepare his brother
for press conference, assisted in drafting public statements, and even
share to lead on a woman accusing the former governor
of inappropriate behavior at a wedding. The documents also revealed
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Chris Cuomo offered to use his media sources to find
out if more women were coming forward in March. A
top aide too. Then Governor Cuomo texted Chris Cuomo quote
rumor going around from Politico. Want to do more people
coming out tomorrow? Can you check your sources? Four minutes later,
Cuomo responded on it. Okay, look, look, look, on the
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one hand, this is a story about a guy helping
his brother in a time of crisis. And I mean,
who wouldn't do that for their brother? Because you gotta remember,
brother is the top level of male relationship. Yeah, it
goes brother, my dude, Homi, this guy then stepdad. And
don't forget this is ingrained, right. Siblings learned to cover
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for a ch other from a really young age. Like
your brother tries to steal some cookies, he breaks the
cookie jar, You tell your mom the job fell by itself,
and then your brother shares the cookies with you. That's
how it works. Although now that I think about it,
Isaac never did share the cookies. Mom, Isaac broke the
jar changed my mind. Of course, it does matter, and
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it does make a difference how you help your brother
and what you're helping him with. Like if your brother
murders somebody. You can either help him get the best
lawyer in the country or you can help him bury
the body. I mean, both make you a good brother,
but one makes you an accessory after the fact. That's
a choice that you're making. And the big problem is
that Chris used his influence as a CNN journalist to
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help dig up info on Andrew's accuses and people. That's
not what CNN is about. CNN is about sitting twelve
people together at a desk and having them yell at
each other about whether Adele's Las Vegas residency is gonna
hurt Biden's numbers or not. That is CNN. Anyway, enough
about CNN, let's talk about COVID, the disease that's been
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around for so long that it's now at high risk
of catching. COVID. Since first being discovered in South Africa,
we've now learned that Army cron has been in countries
around the globe, and today they confirmed the first known
case in the United States. Yeah, I mean, Dan Macron
got here quickly. You know, say what you want about
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Joe Biden, but he got that supply chain moving. I'm
all right, guys, no, all right, so yes, apparently they
found a single case of Army Cron in California, which
it's just so typical. You know, mcron gets a little
buzz and immediately wants to try and make it in Hollywood.
I'm special. But aside from learning about COVID's newest variant,
now we're also learning more about its most famous supporter,
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Donald J. Trump. Do you remember how last year, a
month before the election, he suddenly came down with coronavirus. Yeah,
it was hilarious. I mean it was very scary. We
were all so scared, so scared. Well, now we're finding
out that Trump was basically a one man super spreada
We do begin with breaking news. Donald Trump tested positive
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for coronavirus three days before his first debate against Joe
Biden septem This stunning revelation is in a new book
by former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows that
was obtained by The Guardian, a positive test the country
never knew about. Here is the timeline as we know it.
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On Saturday September, Trump hosted the Rose Garden event for
Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and then later that evening,
he made his way to a rally in Pennsylvania. As
Marine one is lifting off for that event, the White
House doctor calls and says to stop him because his
COVID test came back positive. According to Meadows, he was
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then tested again. That test came back negative, so they
moved don as though nothing had happened. On Tuesday, the
day of the debate, Meadow says Trump was moving more
slowly than usual, but quote, nothing was going to stop
Trump from going out there. Of course, two days after that,
Trump tested positive again, alerts the world by tweet. Later
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spends three nights in the hospital getting treatment. Yeah, people,
Donald Trump got a positive COVID test, then retested and
got a negative test, and then just went about his
life without telling anybody, which I mean, on the one hand,
was incredibly irresponsible and dangerous, But on the other hand,
it was very relatable. I mean, that's why you get
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second opinions, right. If one doctor tells you that you're
very ill and you don't have much longer, but another
doctor says, looking good, my man, you should go to Miami.
I mean, you're gonna roll with that doctor. But was
especially responsible about this is that he hid. He completely
hid his positive test right before he went on stage
and screamed at ninety eight year old Joe Biden for
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two hours. I'm not saying that Trump was trying to
assassinate Joe Biden, but he definitely wasn't going out of
his way to avoid it. If this is God's plan
for Joe Biden, what could I do just stop it,
except maybe wear a mask, which I won't do because
it's Joe to a gay. Looking back on it, we
should have been able to tell that Trump had coronavirus
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at the debate. I mean, just look at the footage. Look,
I mean, I have a mask right here. I put
a mask on, you know when I think I need it?
Can I be honest? It's a very important when they
run through the men burned down your stores and killed
people in the place right there. I'm not sure how
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we missed it back then. Huh. All right, But let's
move on from Trump to the Supreme Courts, the Supreme
Court that he created in his image. In fact, abortion
has been a constitutional rights in the United States ever
since the Supreme Court decided Roll v. Wade nearly half
a century ago. But based on what happened at the
Supreme Court today, it seems like it won't be a
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right for much longer. The Fox tres A learned oral
arguments in a landmark abortion case wrapping up at the
Supreme Court after nearly two hours the hearing, setting up
a decision by the High Court now with the sixty
three conservative majority, that could change abortion laws across the country.
Hundreds of protesters from both sides of the issue gathered
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outside of the Supreme Court. The stakes could not be higher.
Ro versus Wade is on the line as the justices
considered a law from Mississippi that would ban almost all
abortions after fifteen weeks of pregnancy. After today's arguments over abortion,
it appears abortion rights in America as they stand right
now are in grave danger. After two hours of questioning,
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the general consensus among legal experts is that there are
at least five votes to uphold Mississippi's ban on abortion
after fifteen weeks of pregnancy, and passi as many votes
to overturn a federal right to an abortion altogether. Who
boy Based on the oral arguments in the Supreme Court today,
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it looks very likely that Roe v. Wade will soon
be overturned. And you know what you think about it, It
It is wild. It's wild to the United States takes
such a step backwards in women's rights. It's almost like
the US invaded Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban and then
came back to the US like, actually, those guys have
some pretty good ideas. And now the truth is, the
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truth is that this is the culmination of a fifty
year plan for the conservative movement to reshape the courts
for this very purpose. And say what you want about it,
but you've got to admit, man, the conservative movement is
just that dedicated to protecting life. I mean, not protecting
life from coronavirus or school shootings, or from a lack
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of healthcare, or climate change, or poverty or homelessness or
and I know, I know, I know there are guys
out there right now are saying, well, you know what,
tough luck, ladies, but this doesn't affect me. Well, first
of all, you're gonna see it affect your bank account
when you're paying child support for eighteen years. And secondly,
you guys clearly don't see what's happening here. Yeah, because
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first first they said a baby is only a baby
when it comes out of the vagina. Then they said
it's a baby when it's viable outside of the womb.
Right now, you've got people arguing that if there's any
electrical signal, it counts as a heartbeat. You realize what's
coming up next, Right at some point they're gonna be like, Okay,
we decided that sperm is babies, so you can't check
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off anymore. He was like, what, but what if I
ever went dream? Then your ass is going to jail
And now you're in your dreams trying to get your
high school teacher to put her shirt back on. No,
Mrs Patterson, please please, I can't do hard time. Please
get dressed. I'm kidding, of course I'm kidding. Obviously, nobody's
ever going to regulate what men can do with their buddies.
Come down, everybody. Now, look, we don't know for sure
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what the ruling will be at, and we won't find
out until next year. But you can't tell a lot
about where the justices stand based on what kind of
arguments they made. For example, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Trump appointee
and guy at the bar who insists he's totally finds
a drive. Well, he emphasized the view that overturning the
right to abortion would actually be the neutral position because
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it is neither pro life nor pro choice, but simply
leaves the issue up to the states. And I have
to admit, guys, that argument actually makes a lot of sense.
Like why should there be one abortion law for the
entire country. I mean, people in Alabama and people in
California have very different views on this, so maybe it
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should be different in different states. Although when you think
about it, there are also differences in different parts of
each state. So really the law should be like by county,
you know what I mean, that would be better. Let
should say, like red counties in a blue state can
ban abortion, but blue counties in a red state can
allow abortion. I mean that that seems fair, right, it's
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up to the states, But make it up to the counties.
Well except actually, sometimes you have urban and rural areas
sharing a county, So maybe it should be at the
level of the city or the town. Yeah no, wait,
what if each house? Oh yes, each house, each house
could have its own rule. Yeah, this makes sense all right,
because the neighbors, they don't always agree with each other,
but in the house, within the house, people have different opinions.
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You know what, what if each person made their own rule,
like each person could decide for themselves what they could
do with their own ship. People are figured it out. Yo,
Get me a taxi to the Supreme Court, you know,
get me a taxed me to the bar next to
the Supreme Court. I want to tell for justice having
or something. Yeah, man, this is amazing. All right, all right,
I gotta go to d C. But when I come back,
I'll be talking to a former gun manufacturer about what
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he regrets. And then Scottie Pippin will be joining me
on the show. You don't want to miss it. Yeah,
tell the taxi the way I'm gonna get my robe.
Welcome back to the Daily Show. My first guest is
Ryan Bussy. He's a former firearms executive who blows the
whistle on the gun industry in his new book, Gunfights.
Ryan Bussey, Welcome to the show. Thanks so much, Trevor.
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Fantastic to be here. You know, you've written a book
that I think threads the needle in a in a
very complicated conversation that America is having, and that conversation
is what are guns? What are guns mean to America?
And is there anything that can be done to try
and reduce gun violence in the country, and just so
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people have an understanding of who you are. I mean,
you like the poster child for the n r A.
I mean you, you were gifted shotguns as a kid. Right,
You're an avid hunter. You you you're an avid defender.
You still all of the Second Amendment. You worked as
a you know, for a gun manufacturer for twenty five years,
and yet you say that there is a lot that
is wrong with the gun industry. Let's talk about that.
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What changed in your life? What was the moment where
you thought this is not going the way it should.
I think there's a few things that changed more than anything.
I think the gun industry and the n r A
changed around all of us. And I think democracy. You know,
there's a lot of freedoms in America which are beautiful. Um,
the right to self defense and to own guns and
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to do things that I love to do with my boys,
and to shoot and to hunt and and all of
those things is fantastic. But if it's not balanced with responsibility,
it's going to run out of control. And I started
to see things in the firearm's industry and in my
life and in my career where responsibility was not being
inserted into the discussion anymore, and and just runaway rights
where we're taking over. And in the early ninety nineties
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and and then two thousands, when I got into the industry,
it was a much different place where responsibility and decency
were still inserted into the argument. And they're no longer
there anymore. Um, it's a very frightening It's a very
frightening place we live in now. It's interesting you say that,
because you know, when I was reading the book, there
were so many things I didn't know about the journey
of the n r A. I didn't know about the
journey of guns in America. You know, I've I've read
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about it. But as somebody is an inside it, you
really give an inside into a world that I think
a lot of people don't know much about. You know,
for instance, I didn't realize that at some point the
n r A essentially became more powerful than the manufacturers
of guns themselves. You talk about a moment with Smith
and Wisson decided to stand up and say, actually, maybe
we could do more for gun safety, and the n
r A lit a boycott against them. Yeah. I think
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it's it's important to note. I often hear on reports
and MPR segments where people say, well, the n r
A is just a tool of farms manufacturers. I found
that to be exactly the opposite. The n r A
ran the show. They still ran the show. They set
the narrative, everything that they stated, every every tactic that
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they laid down, everybody said, yes, sir, can I have
another um my experiences. There's no separation between the n
r A and the FIMS industry because there's an intertwined
sort of symbiosis between what drives success for the n
r A, which is fear, conspiracy theory, hatred of the other,
acceptance of racism. Those things drive electoral outcomes, and the
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n r A stumbled onto that fifteen or eighteen years ago.
Those are exactly the same things that drive firearm sales,
and so there's a very unhealthy symbiosis between those two entities.
You know, one of the parts of the book that
really stuck with me was when you were talking about
yourself as a gun owner, and you're talking about your
sons and your family, and you said something really interesting
that I think a lot of people don't actually think about,
and you said, we don't identify with guns. We like
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using them, we like hunting with them, we like shooting
with them, but we don't identify ourselves with the fire arms.
What did that mean and why is that important. There's
a couple different types of flags that we saw on
January six. We saw Trump and American flags, and then
we saw the other type of flag we saw were
come and take an air fifteen flags. Political radicals, right
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wing political radicals in this country now are driven, are
are owned. They use guns as the central symbol of
their identity. It's a dangerous thing. This is authoritarianism. You know,
at its formative stages. There are millions of sponsible gun
owners in this country who love to shoot with their
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kids and hunt and do all the things that I
love to do and believe in the right to self defense.
But this, but this idea that guns are somehow the
symbol of some right lane political movement. That's that's dangerous.
Nineteen thirty six Germany stuff. It's frightening. So do you
think there's a world then where America can find a
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balance between owning guns and still living in a safer society.
And I asked this question because I mean, here on
the show, you know, we've done a piece on Switzerland
and how Switzerland I think has more guns per capital
than the US and yet has lower gun deaths than
the US, you know, because the Swiss say they teach
people to respect the weapons. They teach people, you know,
how to hold the weapons, play with the weapons, use
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the weapons in the right environments. Even kids are told
how to shoot in some of the schools, you know,
and it feels like there's a culture around the gun.
But what I found interesting again in the book is
you talk about how that culture used to exist and
then it started getting mocked. Like you talked about the
funds as they're calling the ELMA fuds with the unsafety guys,
Like it seems like it's not cool to be safe
with guns now in the world of gun ownership. Well,
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that sort of responsible activity slows down the desired outcome.
It's not cool to be responsible in our politics anymore.
If you haven't noticed all of these social norms that
once existed, where you didn't say certain things, you didn't
tweet death threats to form to members of Congress, these
norms were not broken. That's the same thing happened to
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farms industry fifteen eighteen years ago. These norms of self control, responsibility, decency,
and and and to your point about like what is
the way out of this? Well, America is a democracy
that operas operates in the gray spaces. It's a beautiful thing,
but it only exists because of norms and impose self
responsibility and gon owners. For a long time, we're a
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poster child for that sort of responsibility. The fine I
tell stories in the book about how the firearms industry
fifteen or eighteen years ago would not allow tactical anything
to be displayed in its own age. Show gloves, tactical
vests are fifteen high magazines. Those were not displayed in
its own trade because it imposed the firearms industry imposed
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these rules upon itself, upon ourselves. We knew that this
was a bad thing to infiltrate society with, so sort
of like a fringe idea of what only a gun
was about, and we knew that that was a dangerous thing.
That meant that we accepted a certain level of sales
and then we wouldn't infiltrate guns, proliferated guns and lack
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of decency throughout society. But you have to accept that
sort of self restraint, that sort of self restraint is
now gone, and the same exact thing is happening in
our politics right Like the sorts of things that we
once knew not to say, not to do, not to
call your relative, not to call your coworker, not to
say in polite society, that's all gone. The n r
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A and the gun industry perfected us. When we talk
about some of the policies, what do you look at.
I know one of the proposals right now that seems
to have support from the right and the lift is
people saying, hey, let's go off to those dealers who
are selling guns to people and they know that it's
going straight to the black market. Let's go off to
those dealers. Are you are you full legislation like that?
And what are the policies do you think America could
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actually implement where people would see a change in gun violence.
I'm in favor of two things right now. One, we
need to close a gun show loophole. We've been trying
to do this since before Columbine. The kids in Columbine
use guns that were purchased through the gun show loophole.
Twenty some years later, we still haven't closed it. It's
a simple thing it's unforgivable. We should do it. It's
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not gonna be perfect. It's gonna fix some things, it's
gonna mitigate some things that needs to be done. Secondarily,
I'm worried about the larger societal impacts and the graph
of where gun radicalization and right wing radicalization is taking
our country. I don't think Kyle Rittenhouse was an aberration.
I think he's a warning of what's to come. We
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need to outlaw, as a country, state by state, county
by county, or fully as a nation, open armed intimidation.
You can't have open civil society. You can't have democracy
when one party is standing over the other with a
loaded a R fifteen. That's not civil. So I believe
two things would help now, close a gun show loophole
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and legislation to outlaw armed intimidation and open carry. Well,
you've written a really compelling book. I know there'll be
people who we fought, people who will be against it,
but that's what arguments are. Four. Thank you so much
for joining me on the show. Thanks to Traver, appreciate
having me here. All Right, gunfights is available wherever books
assault when we come back. The NBA legend Scotty Pippen
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will be joining me right here. Stay tuned, Welcome back
to the Daily Show. My next guest is NBA Hall
of Famer and six time NBA Champion and two time
Olympic gold medalist Scottie Pippen. He's here to talk about
his brand new memoir, Unguarded. Scottie Pippen. Welcome to the
Daily Show. Thank you for the leagure, thanks for having me.
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It can't be a pleasure. Let me tell you what
a pleasure is. A pleasure is me talking to one
of my favorite basketball players of all time. I'm someone
who didn't even know basketball, but all I knew was
the number one player to play with on NBA Jam
was Scottie Pippen. I had two favorite players in the
NBA Jam game. It was Scottie Pippen and was Muggsy Bogues.
And if I wanted to win, I went with Scottie Pippen.
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If I wanted to play like the cheap codes, I
play with Muggsy Bogues. Um. So thank you for being
on the show, um, and thank you for writing the book. Man.
It's It's It's It's been a really amazing journey getting
to know who you are as a human being. I
think let's let's start with the life side of Scotti Pippen.
I think everyone starts with the basketball, but I really
found interesting about you were starting with with the life
that you lived. You had to really get over so
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many hurdles in life. You know, you come from a
big family. You come from a family that went through
a lot of struggles. You know, you talk about your
brother and him being paralyzed at a young age. You
talk about your dad suffering a similar fate, but from
a very different standpoint. When you look at that journey
that Scottie Pippen had, you know, you had to make
decisions in life and you had to become a really
(24:06):
resilient person. What do you think it was that gave
you the fortitude to get through the things that you
got through to get to where you got to. I
would say it was my parents just kind of seeing
the life that they had taken on, and you know,
it wasn't something that they were prepared for and by
any means could we afford to have, you know, to
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disabled people living in one household, but we were able
to pull it through it through the struggles and ups
and downs, and you know, we we made the best
of what we had. I found myself wondering the whole
time reading the book. Did young Scottie Pippen know that
he was going to be one of the greatest every
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time he touched the ball? Or was young Scottie Pippen
just trying to get from one plate to the next,
one moment to the next. I think I was taking
it day by day, step by step. I can you create.
I was dreaming and wanting one day to play in
the NBA. But you know, along that journey you gotta
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reach certain other stuffs, you know, like playing college basketball,
my education, things of that nature. So those things were
important to me along the way, But ultimately I didn't
know what type of basketball player I would be. If
I would be one of the fifth grade is if
I just, you know, maybe get a trial for an
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NBA team. You know, you just hope for the best,
and you you work as hard as you can to
make sure that you're prepared for it. You know, it's
a long journey, and I, you know, I feel like
that I prepare myself for it. I feel like you've
lived in life as one of the greatest basketball players,
and now you've become an author of one of the
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greatest books that delves into the minds and the inner
workings of one of the greatest teams and sports legacies
of all time. Let's start at the beginning. I mean,
that's where the the books lost. The prologue if we
if we jump right to the beginning. In the prologue,
you talk about the Lost Dance, you know, the documentary
that everyone was watching during the pandemic, the story that
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everybody was talking about, and and you talk about how,
you know, you wanted to speak your truth, you wanted
to get your story out there when you were writing
the book. Was this was this your way of feeling
like you could answer some of the questions that people
asked from the documentary and maybe didn't show your side
of the story. Well, I think I kind of, you know,
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took myself away from being in the public eye during
the documentary. I don't know if people even recall, but
I was working for ESPN when the documentary came out,
and I took a little high is because I didn't
want to have to really of telling the story about
what happened, you know, twenty years ago. So, uh, that
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was one thing. But I did feel like that the
documentary it was not really about the last Dance because
I felt like that it was a lot of footage
that was taken that was going to be really praising
one of the greatest teams, uh that had really ever
been put together in the NBA, and really praised a
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lot of the people that was a part of that
great team. And I felt like that the documentaries was
solely built and control, you know, through Michael Jordan's and
I didn't feel like it really gave justice to a
lot of the great players, coach just that were a
part of that that journey. It was truly something that
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I felt like needed to be expressed from a team's standpoint.
You know, Michael Jordan is undoubtedly one of the greatest
to ever do it, but clearly as a person, it
must be challenging to play with somebody like that, who
you know, has a certain frame of mind for what
they're doing. When you were playing with him as a teammate,
did you have to you know, situate yourself according to him,
(28:04):
or how did you manage Michael's ego whilst also playing
in a team with Michael Well, it was an adjustment.
You know, when I came into the NBA, into the
Chicago Bulls organizations, Michael had been with the organization for
three seasons, three losing seasons, so it was an adjustment
for him to change his style of play and how
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he played the game. And it was I guess up
to me to sort of pick up areas where I
felt like that I could be a good fit for
the team to you know, get us a position where
we could be successful, but also opening up as a
player where I could show my talent and my greatness
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on the court as well. You know, every page I
turned to, I could see why this became a New
York Times best seller because it's Scottie Pippen telling us,
you know, his truth. It's it's it's you know, one
of the greatest NBA players delving into, you know, the
inner workings of of one of the greatest periods in basketball.
And and there's a part that I that that that
really stuck with me. It's when you wrote your own Tombstone,
(29:11):
which which is really funny. I mean it seems more,
but but it's really funny where you you're write you know,
I'm always I'm almost convinced that literally to my grave,
this would be my tombstone. Scotty Maurice Pippen, beloved husband
and father too, you know. And then it's seven time
NBA All Star, six time NBA Champion, and below that
it says set out the final one point eight seconds
(29:31):
of a playoff game between the Chicago Bulls and the
New York Now and I was I was interested in
in that, Like you know, obviously that's something that people
have talked about. But but I wonder why you think
that would be something that would always follow your legacy.
Why do you think that moment was so big, not
just for you, but for how people saw it from
the outside. Well, I think what people saw from the
(29:52):
outside they had never saw a player really stand up
for himself against a coach in the type a situation.
And I think I was that player to sort of
break that ice. And it was a moment um in
time for me because I've been challenged my whole life,
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and I had been playing under the wings of Michael
Jordan's for I guess at that time six years, three championships,
So I felt like it was time for me to
break out and to let them know that Hey, I
came here to be a star player. I didn't come
here to be a second filler to anyone, and I
(30:34):
think I needed to make that stak and just so happened.
It was in a game that I felt like, uh,
you know, it was that moment where I needed to
speak out, Well, you don't. There's a there's a reason
you're a Hall of Famer. There's a reason you have
your six rings. There's a reason you're a New York
Times bestseller. And in my heart, because of NBA Jam,
(30:56):
there's a reason you're still the best video game character
of all time. That move? Do that move with you
the whole time, just to get the guy off the ball.
Scotty could rebound better than anyone that in that game.
Have you ever played yourself in that game? By the way, man,
Scotty missing out, you're missing out in life. Scott. Let
me tell you something now, man, that you did this
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thing with I didn't even know what basketball was. I
just played video games. And then they would there was
this move you would get. You would just you would
rebound right, you jump up. Scotty could get it before everybody.
And then as soon as I land, I do this,
do this, and then everyone would like fall around me,
and then I go to the other side and then
I'm dunk. I was like, I don't know who Scotty Pippen.
I literally knew you as a video game character, like
(31:37):
in my world. It was like Kennan Reu from Street
Fighter and Scottie Pippen from NBA JAM And then someone
was like, this is a real person in a real country.
I was like, that's ridiculous. No one can jump that
high and then fight people like this, but here he is.
So thank you again, Scotty. I appreciate you. Thank you.
I appreciate it all right, don't forget people. Scotty's memoir
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un Guarded is available right now. You're definitely gonna want
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You're listening to Comedy Central. Does anybody here celebrate Spotify? Yeah,
it's like pretty poppy. You love music? Did you get
your like your year? Your list thing that they do
when they wrap up your yearly because they send that
to you and they go like, this is the music
you listen to this year? Like, first of all, why
(00:22):
do they say congratulations, like you achieved something? Congratulations, Trevor,
you listen to forty hours of music this year? Like
I had a choice, Like, yeah, it was even listening
listening to music or listening to my sixty year old
neighbors smash Like that was my choice basically because I
was gonna listen to the music and them at the
same time. I wanted the music. You know. It's also
(00:44):
like a weird thing to like wrap up all my
Have you ever been disappointed when you see what your
wrap up is? Because everyone thinks they're a lot cooler
than they are right with their Spotify Everyone's like, oh, ship,
my wrap ups coming. I got this, Kendrick, I got
a little bit of this underground, Yeah, I got this.
We should have wrap ups of like our lives as people,
just like a wrap up of everything. Everyone you hung
(01:04):
out with everything you did, just to realize like what
a loser you actually were, because we all think we're
a lot cooler than we are. And then when you
look at the wrap up of your year, you'll think
it was all the highlights, and then you realize all
the cool ship you did was like moments. Really, most
of your life was you like scrolling Instagram on the
couch and then scrolling Instagram on the toilets, and then
(01:28):
going back to the couch and realizing that you left
your phone in the toilets. Coming to you from the
herd of Time st in New York City, the only
city in America. It's The Daily Here's tradition. Tonight, ed
Ryan Bussy, Scottie Pippett. It is The Daily Show with Hey,
(01:53):
what's going on? Everybody? Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm
Trevor Noah. We got a lot to talk about, so
let's jump straight into the news. Our first story is
about abortion. What no, no, no, no, no, no, guys,
I'm not no, I'm not starting the show with the abortion.
What do you mean? I have to It was my show.
(02:13):
I can choose what I want to do. It's my choice. No,
I'm not yet it's my show. So well, you know what,
I'm I'm not gonna start the show. Yeah, I'm not
gonna start it on that. Yeah, and you can tell
the Supreme Court that I said it. You tell them.
All Right, We're gonna get to the story of the
Supreme Court, but first, let's warm up with a more
fun story. Yeah for yours. One of cable News's biggest
(02:35):
stars has been Chris Cuomo, right, CNN anchor and Human
Protein Shake. But now Cuomo's network has decided that they've
had enough of his extracurricular activities. CNN has suspended anchor
Chris Cuomo indefinitely. It comes after records showed Cuomo took
an active role in helping his brother, the former governor
(02:55):
of New York, responds to sexual harassment charges. Text messages
that interviewed transcripts released this week by the New York
Attorney General's Office showing Chris Cuomo helped prepare his brother
for press conference, assisted in drafting public statements, and even
share to lead on a woman accusing the former governor
of inappropriate behavior at a wedding. The documents also revealed
(03:17):
Chris Cuomo offered to use his media sources to find
out if more women were coming forward in March. A
top aide too. Then Governor Cuomo texted Chris Cuomo quote
rumor going around from Politico. Want to do more people
coming out tomorrow? Can you check your sources? Four minutes later,
Cuomo responded on it. Okay, look, look, look, on the
(03:38):
one hand, this is a story about a guy helping
his brother in a time of crisis. And I mean,
who wouldn't do that for their brother? Because you gotta remember,
brother is the top level of male relationship. Yeah, it
goes brother, my dude, Homi, this guy then stepdad. And
don't forget this is ingrained, right. Siblings learned to cover
(03:59):
for a ch other from a really young age. Like
your brother tries to steal some cookies, he breaks the
cookie jar, You tell your mom the job fell by itself,
and then your brother shares the cookies with you. That's
how it works. Although now that I think about it,
Isaac never did share the cookies. Mom, Isaac broke the
jar changed my mind. Of course, it does matter, and
(04:21):
it does make a difference how you help your brother
and what you're helping him with. Like if your brother
murders somebody. You can either help him get the best
lawyer in the country or you can help him bury
the body. I mean, both make you a good brother,
but one makes you an accessory after the fact. That's
a choice that you're making. And the big problem is
that Chris used his influence as a CNN journalist to
(04:45):
help dig up info on Andrew's accuses and people. That's
not what CNN is about. CNN is about sitting twelve
people together at a desk and having them yell at
each other about whether Adele's Las Vegas residency is gonna
hurt Biden's numbers or not. That is CNN. Anyway, enough
about CNN, let's talk about COVID, the disease that's been
(05:07):
around for so long that it's now at high risk
of catching. COVID. Since first being discovered in South Africa,
we've now learned that Army cron has been in countries
around the globe, and today they confirmed the first known
case in the United States. Yeah, I mean, Dan Macron
got here quickly. You know, say what you want about
(05:27):
Joe Biden, but he got that supply chain moving. I'm
all right, guys, no, all right, so yes, apparently they
found a single case of Army Cron in California, which
it's just so typical. You know, mcron gets a little
buzz and immediately wants to try and make it in Hollywood.
I'm special. But aside from learning about COVID's newest variant,
now we're also learning more about its most famous supporter,
(05:51):
Donald J. Trump. Do you remember how last year, a
month before the election, he suddenly came down with coronavirus. Yeah,
it was hilarious. I mean it was very scary. We
were all so scared, so scared. Well, now we're finding
out that Trump was basically a one man super spreada
We do begin with breaking news. Donald Trump tested positive
(06:13):
for coronavirus three days before his first debate against Joe
Biden septem This stunning revelation is in a new book
by former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows that
was obtained by The Guardian, a positive test the country
never knew about. Here is the timeline as we know it.
(06:35):
On Saturday September, Trump hosted the Rose Garden event for
Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and then later that evening,
he made his way to a rally in Pennsylvania. As
Marine one is lifting off for that event, the White
House doctor calls and says to stop him because his
COVID test came back positive. According to Meadows, he was
(06:56):
then tested again. That test came back negative, so they
moved don as though nothing had happened. On Tuesday, the
day of the debate, Meadow says Trump was moving more
slowly than usual, but quote, nothing was going to stop
Trump from going out there. Of course, two days after that,
Trump tested positive again, alerts the world by tweet. Later
(07:17):
spends three nights in the hospital getting treatment. Yeah, people,
Donald Trump got a positive COVID test, then retested and
got a negative test, and then just went about his
life without telling anybody, which I mean, on the one hand,
was incredibly irresponsible and dangerous, But on the other hand,
it was very relatable. I mean, that's why you get
(07:38):
second opinions, right. If one doctor tells you that you're
very ill and you don't have much longer, but another
doctor says, looking good, my man, you should go to Miami.
I mean, you're gonna roll with that doctor. But was
especially responsible about this is that he hid. He completely
hid his positive test right before he went on stage
and screamed at ninety eight year old Joe Biden for
(08:01):
two hours. I'm not saying that Trump was trying to
assassinate Joe Biden, but he definitely wasn't going out of
his way to avoid it. If this is God's plan
for Joe Biden, what could I do just stop it,
except maybe wear a mask, which I won't do because
it's Joe to a gay. Looking back on it, we
should have been able to tell that Trump had coronavirus
(08:22):
at the debate. I mean, just look at the footage. Look,
I mean, I have a mask right here. I put
a mask on, you know when I think I need it?
Can I be honest? It's a very important when they
run through the men burned down your stores and killed
people in the place right there. I'm not sure how
(08:47):
we missed it back then. Huh. All right, But let's
move on from Trump to the Supreme Courts, the Supreme
Court that he created in his image. In fact, abortion
has been a constitutional rights in the United States ever
since the Supreme Court decided Roll v. Wade nearly half
a century ago. But based on what happened at the
Supreme Court today, it seems like it won't be a
(09:07):
right for much longer. The Fox tres A learned oral
arguments in a landmark abortion case wrapping up at the
Supreme Court after nearly two hours the hearing, setting up
a decision by the High Court now with the sixty
three conservative majority, that could change abortion laws across the country.
Hundreds of protesters from both sides of the issue gathered
(09:28):
outside of the Supreme Court. The stakes could not be higher.
Ro versus Wade is on the line as the justices
considered a law from Mississippi that would ban almost all
abortions after fifteen weeks of pregnancy. After today's arguments over abortion,
it appears abortion rights in America as they stand right
now are in grave danger. After two hours of questioning,
(09:48):
the general consensus among legal experts is that there are
at least five votes to uphold Mississippi's ban on abortion
after fifteen weeks of pregnancy, and passi as many votes
to overturn a federal right to an abortion altogether. Who
boy Based on the oral arguments in the Supreme Court today,
(10:09):
it looks very likely that Roe v. Wade will soon
be overturned. And you know what you think about it, It
It is wild. It's wild to the United States takes
such a step backwards in women's rights. It's almost like
the US invaded Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban and then
came back to the US like, actually, those guys have
some pretty good ideas. And now the truth is, the
(10:29):
truth is that this is the culmination of a fifty
year plan for the conservative movement to reshape the courts
for this very purpose. And say what you want about it,
but you've got to admit, man, the conservative movement is
just that dedicated to protecting life. I mean, not protecting
life from coronavirus or school shootings, or from a lack
(10:49):
of healthcare, or climate change, or poverty or homelessness or
and I know, I know, I know there are guys
out there right now are saying, well, you know what,
tough luck, ladies, but this doesn't affect me. Well, first
of all, you're gonna see it affect your bank account
when you're paying child support for eighteen years. And secondly,
you guys clearly don't see what's happening here. Yeah, because
(11:10):
first first they said a baby is only a baby
when it comes out of the vagina. Then they said
it's a baby when it's viable outside of the womb.
Right now, you've got people arguing that if there's any
electrical signal, it counts as a heartbeat. You realize what's
coming up next, Right at some point they're gonna be like, Okay,
we decided that sperm is babies, so you can't check
(11:30):
off anymore. He was like, what, but what if I
ever went dream? Then your ass is going to jail
And now you're in your dreams trying to get your
high school teacher to put her shirt back on. No,
Mrs Patterson, please please, I can't do hard time. Please
get dressed. I'm kidding, of course I'm kidding. Obviously, nobody's
ever going to regulate what men can do with their buddies.
Come down, everybody. Now, look, we don't know for sure
(11:52):
what the ruling will be at, and we won't find
out until next year. But you can't tell a lot
about where the justices stand based on what kind of
arguments they made. For example, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Trump appointee
and guy at the bar who insists he's totally finds
a drive. Well, he emphasized the view that overturning the
right to abortion would actually be the neutral position because
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it is neither pro life nor pro choice, but simply
leaves the issue up to the states. And I have
to admit, guys, that argument actually makes a lot of sense.
Like why should there be one abortion law for the
entire country. I mean, people in Alabama and people in
California have very different views on this, so maybe it
(12:36):
should be different in different states. Although when you think
about it, there are also differences in different parts of
each state. So really the law should be like by county,
you know what I mean, that would be better. Let
should say, like red counties in a blue state can
ban abortion, but blue counties in a red state can
allow abortion. I mean that that seems fair, right, it's
(12:57):
up to the states, But make it up to the counties.
Well except actually, sometimes you have urban and rural areas
sharing a county, So maybe it should be at the
level of the city or the town. Yeah no, wait,
what if each house? Oh yes, each house, each house
could have its own rule. Yeah, this makes sense all right,
because the neighbors, they don't always agree with each other,
but in the house, within the house, people have different opinions.
(13:20):
You know what, what if each person made their own rule,
like each person could decide for themselves what they could
do with their own ship. People are figured it out. Yo,
Get me a taxi to the Supreme Court, you know,
get me a taxed me to the bar next to
the Supreme Court. I want to tell for justice having
or something. Yeah, man, this is amazing. All right, all right,
I gotta go to d C. But when I come back,
I'll be talking to a former gun manufacturer about what
(13:42):
he regrets. And then Scottie Pippin will be joining me
on the show. You don't want to miss it. Yeah,
tell the taxi the way I'm gonna get my robe.
Welcome back to the Daily Show. My first guest is
Ryan Bussy. He's a former firearms executive who blows the
whistle on the gun industry in his new book, Gunfights.
Ryan Bussey, Welcome to the show. Thanks so much, Trevor.
(14:04):
Fantastic to be here. You know, you've written a book
that I think threads the needle in a in a
very complicated conversation that America is having, and that conversation
is what are guns? What are guns mean to America?
And is there anything that can be done to try
and reduce gun violence in the country, and just so
(14:24):
people have an understanding of who you are. I mean,
you like the poster child for the n r A.
I mean you, you were gifted shotguns as a kid. Right,
You're an avid hunter. You you you're an avid defender.
You still all of the Second Amendment. You worked as
a you know, for a gun manufacturer for twenty five years,
and yet you say that there is a lot that
is wrong with the gun industry. Let's talk about that.
(14:46):
What changed in your life? What was the moment where
you thought this is not going the way it should.
I think there's a few things that changed more than anything.
I think the gun industry and the n r A
changed around all of us. And I think democracy. You know,
there's a lot of freedoms in America which are beautiful. Um,
the right to self defense and to own guns and
(15:07):
to do things that I love to do with my boys,
and to shoot and to hunt and and all of
those things is fantastic. But if it's not balanced with responsibility,
it's going to run out of control. And I started
to see things in the firearm's industry and in my
life and in my career where responsibility was not being
inserted into the discussion anymore, and and just runaway rights
where we're taking over. And in the early ninety nineties
(15:31):
and and then two thousands, when I got into the industry,
it was a much different place where responsibility and decency
were still inserted into the argument. And they're no longer
there anymore. Um, it's a very frightening It's a very
frightening place we live in now. It's interesting you say that,
because you know, when I was reading the book, there
were so many things I didn't know about the journey
of the n r A. I didn't know about the
journey of guns in America. You know, I've I've read
(15:53):
about it. But as somebody is an inside it, you
really give an inside into a world that I think
a lot of people don't know much about. You know,
for instance, I didn't realize that at some point the
n r A essentially became more powerful than the manufacturers
of guns themselves. You talk about a moment with Smith
and Wisson decided to stand up and say, actually, maybe
we could do more for gun safety, and the n
r A lit a boycott against them. Yeah. I think
(16:15):
it's it's important to note. I often hear on reports
and MPR segments where people say, well, the n r
A is just a tool of farms manufacturers. I found
that to be exactly the opposite. The n r A
ran the show. They still ran the show. They set
the narrative, everything that they stated, every every tactic that
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they laid down, everybody said, yes, sir, can I have
another um my experiences. There's no separation between the n
r A and the FIMS industry because there's an intertwined
sort of symbiosis between what drives success for the n
r A, which is fear, conspiracy theory, hatred of the other,
acceptance of racism. Those things drive electoral outcomes, and the
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n r A stumbled onto that fifteen or eighteen years ago.
Those are exactly the same things that drive firearm sales,
and so there's a very unhealthy symbiosis between those two entities.
You know, one of the parts of the book that
really stuck with me was when you were talking about
yourself as a gun owner, and you're talking about your
sons and your family, and you said something really interesting
that I think a lot of people don't actually think about,
and you said, we don't identify with guns. We like
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using them, we like hunting with them, we like shooting
with them, but we don't identify ourselves with the fire arms.
What did that mean and why is that important. There's
a couple different types of flags that we saw on
January six. We saw Trump and American flags, and then
we saw the other type of flag we saw were
come and take an air fifteen flags. Political radicals, right
(17:43):
wing political radicals in this country now are driven, are
are owned. They use guns as the central symbol of
their identity. It's a dangerous thing. This is authoritarianism. You know,
at its formative stages. There are millions of sponsible gun
owners in this country who love to shoot with their
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kids and hunt and do all the things that I
love to do and believe in the right to self defense.
But this, but this idea that guns are somehow the
symbol of some right lane political movement. That's that's dangerous.
Nineteen thirty six Germany stuff. It's frightening. So do you
think there's a world then where America can find a
(18:23):
balance between owning guns and still living in a safer society.
And I asked this question because I mean, here on
the show, you know, we've done a piece on Switzerland
and how Switzerland I think has more guns per capital
than the US and yet has lower gun deaths than
the US, you know, because the Swiss say they teach
people to respect the weapons. They teach people, you know,
how to hold the weapons, play with the weapons, use
(18:44):
the weapons in the right environments. Even kids are told
how to shoot in some of the schools, you know,
and it feels like there's a culture around the gun.
But what I found interesting again in the book is
you talk about how that culture used to exist and
then it started getting mocked. Like you talked about the
funds as they're calling the ELMA fuds with the unsafety guys,
Like it seems like it's not cool to be safe
with guns now in the world of gun ownership. Well,
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that sort of responsible activity slows down the desired outcome.
It's not cool to be responsible in our politics anymore.
If you haven't noticed all of these social norms that
once existed, where you didn't say certain things, you didn't
tweet death threats to form to members of Congress, these
norms were not broken. That's the same thing happened to
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farms industry fifteen eighteen years ago. These norms of self control, responsibility, decency,
and and and to your point about like what is
the way out of this? Well, America is a democracy
that operas operates in the gray spaces. It's a beautiful thing,
but it only exists because of norms and impose self
responsibility and gon owners. For a long time, we're a
(19:50):
poster child for that sort of responsibility. The fine I
tell stories in the book about how the firearms industry
fifteen or eighteen years ago would not allow tactical anything
to be displayed in its own age. Show gloves, tactical
vests are fifteen high magazines. Those were not displayed in
its own trade because it imposed the firearms industry imposed
(20:10):
these rules upon itself, upon ourselves. We knew that this
was a bad thing to infiltrate society with, so sort
of like a fringe idea of what only a gun
was about, and we knew that that was a dangerous thing.
That meant that we accepted a certain level of sales
and then we wouldn't infiltrate guns, proliferated guns and lack
(20:30):
of decency throughout society. But you have to accept that
sort of self restraint, that sort of self restraint is
now gone, and the same exact thing is happening in
our politics right Like the sorts of things that we
once knew not to say, not to do, not to
call your relative, not to call your coworker, not to
say in polite society, that's all gone. The n r
(20:51):
A and the gun industry perfected us. When we talk
about some of the policies, what do you look at.
I know one of the proposals right now that seems
to have support from the right and the lift is
people saying, hey, let's go off to those dealers who
are selling guns to people and they know that it's
going straight to the black market. Let's go off to
those dealers. Are you are you full legislation like that?
And what are the policies do you think America could
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actually implement where people would see a change in gun violence.
I'm in favor of two things right now. One, we
need to close a gun show loophole. We've been trying
to do this since before Columbine. The kids in Columbine
use guns that were purchased through the gun show loophole.
Twenty some years later, we still haven't closed it. It's
a simple thing it's unforgivable. We should do it. It's
(21:33):
not gonna be perfect. It's gonna fix some things, it's
gonna mitigate some things that needs to be done. Secondarily,
I'm worried about the larger societal impacts and the graph
of where gun radicalization and right wing radicalization is taking
our country. I don't think Kyle Rittenhouse was an aberration.
I think he's a warning of what's to come. We
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need to outlaw, as a country, state by state, county
by county, or fully as a nation, open armed intimidation.
You can't have open civil society. You can't have democracy
when one party is standing over the other with a
loaded a R fifteen. That's not civil. So I believe
two things would help now, close a gun show loophole
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and legislation to outlaw armed intimidation and open carry. Well,
you've written a really compelling book. I know there'll be
people who we fought, people who will be against it,
but that's what arguments are. Four. Thank you so much
for joining me on the show. Thanks to Traver, appreciate
having me here. All Right, gunfights is available wherever books
assault when we come back. The NBA legend Scotty Pippen
(22:38):
will be joining me right here. Stay tuned, Welcome back
to the Daily Show. My next guest is NBA Hall
of Famer and six time NBA Champion and two time
Olympic gold medalist Scottie Pippen. He's here to talk about
his brand new memoir, Unguarded. Scottie Pippen. Welcome to the
Daily Show. Thank you for the leagure, thanks for having me.
(23:03):
It can't be a pleasure. Let me tell you what
a pleasure is. A pleasure is me talking to one
of my favorite basketball players of all time. I'm someone
who didn't even know basketball, but all I knew was
the number one player to play with on NBA Jam
was Scottie Pippen. I had two favorite players in the
NBA Jam game. It was Scottie Pippen and was Muggsy Bogues.
And if I wanted to win, I went with Scottie Pippen.
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If I wanted to play like the cheap codes, I
play with Muggsy Bogues. Um. So thank you for being
on the show, um, and thank you for writing the book. Man.
It's It's It's It's been a really amazing journey getting
to know who you are as a human being. I
think let's let's start with the life side of Scotti Pippen.
I think everyone starts with the basketball, but I really
found interesting about you were starting with with the life
that you lived. You had to really get over so
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many hurdles in life. You know, you come from a
big family. You come from a family that went through
a lot of struggles. You know, you talk about your
brother and him being paralyzed at a young age. You
talk about your dad suffering a similar fate, but from
a very different standpoint. When you look at that journey
that Scottie Pippen had, you know, you had to make
decisions in life and you had to become a really
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resilient person. What do you think it was that gave
you the fortitude to get through the things that you
got through to get to where you got to. I
would say it was my parents just kind of seeing
the life that they had taken on, and you know,
it wasn't something that they were prepared for and by
any means could we afford to have, you know, to
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disabled people living in one household, but we were able
to pull it through it through the struggles and ups
and downs, and you know, we we made the best
of what we had. I found myself wondering the whole
time reading the book. Did young Scottie Pippen know that
he was going to be one of the greatest every
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time he touched the ball? Or was young Scottie Pippen
just trying to get from one plate to the next,
one moment to the next. I think I was taking
it day by day, step by step. I can you create.
I was dreaming and wanting one day to play in
the NBA. But you know, along that journey you gotta
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reach certain other stuffs, you know, like playing college basketball,
my education, things of that nature. So those things were
important to me along the way, But ultimately I didn't
know what type of basketball player I would be. If
I would be one of the fifth grade is if
I just, you know, maybe get a trial for an
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NBA team. You know, you just hope for the best,
and you you work as hard as you can to
make sure that you're prepared for it. You know, it's
a long journey, and I, you know, I feel like
that I prepare myself for it. I feel like you've
lived in life as one of the greatest basketball players,
and now you've become an author of one of the
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greatest books that delves into the minds and the inner
workings of one of the greatest teams and sports legacies
of all time. Let's start at the beginning. I mean,
that's where the the books lost. The prologue if we
if we jump right to the beginning. In the prologue,
you talk about the Lost Dance, you know, the documentary
that everyone was watching during the pandemic, the story that
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everybody was talking about, and and you talk about how,
you know, you wanted to speak your truth, you wanted
to get your story out there when you were writing
the book. Was this was this your way of feeling
like you could answer some of the questions that people
asked from the documentary and maybe didn't show your side
of the story. Well, I think I kind of, you know,
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took myself away from being in the public eye during
the documentary. I don't know if people even recall, but
I was working for ESPN when the documentary came out,
and I took a little high is because I didn't
want to have to really of telling the story about
what happened, you know, twenty years ago. So, uh, that
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was one thing. But I did feel like that the
documentary it was not really about the last Dance because
I felt like that it was a lot of footage
that was taken that was going to be really praising
one of the greatest teams, uh that had really ever
been put together in the NBA, and really praised a
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lot of the people that was a part of that
great team. And I felt like that the documentaries was
solely built and control, you know, through Michael Jordan's and
I didn't feel like it really gave justice to a
lot of the great players, coach just that were a
part of that that journey. It was truly something that
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I felt like needed to be expressed from a team's standpoint.
You know, Michael Jordan is undoubtedly one of the greatest
to ever do it, but clearly as a person, it
must be challenging to play with somebody like that, who
you know, has a certain frame of mind for what
they're doing. When you were playing with him as a teammate,
did you have to you know, situate yourself according to him,
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or how did you manage Michael's ego whilst also playing
in a team with Michael Well, it was an adjustment.
You know, when I came into the NBA, into the
Chicago Bulls organizations, Michael had been with the organization for
three seasons, three losing seasons, so it was an adjustment
for him to change his style of play and how
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he played the game. And it was I guess up
to me to sort of pick up areas where I
felt like that I could be a good fit for
the team to you know, get us a position where
we could be successful, but also opening up as a
player where I could show my talent and my greatness
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on the court as well. You know, every page I
turned to, I could see why this became a New
York Times best seller because it's Scottie Pippen telling us,
you know, his truth. It's it's it's you know, one
of the greatest NBA players delving into, you know, the
inner workings of of one of the greatest periods in basketball.
And and there's a part that I that that that
really stuck with me. It's when you wrote your own Tombstone,
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which which is really funny. I mean it seems more,
but but it's really funny where you you're write you know,
I'm always I'm almost convinced that literally to my grave,
this would be my tombstone. Scotty Maurice Pippen, beloved husband
and father too, you know. And then it's seven time
NBA All Star, six time NBA Champion, and below that
it says set out the final one point eight seconds
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of a playoff game between the Chicago Bulls and the
New York Now and I was I was interested in
in that, Like you know, obviously that's something that people
have talked about. But but I wonder why you think
that would be something that would always follow your legacy.
Why do you think that moment was so big, not
just for you, but for how people saw it from
the outside. Well, I think what people saw from the
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outside they had never saw a player really stand up
for himself against a coach in the type a situation.
And I think I was that player to sort of
break that ice. And it was a moment um in
time for me because I've been challenged my whole life,
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and I had been playing under the wings of Michael
Jordan's for I guess at that time six years, three championships,
So I felt like it was time for me to
break out and to let them know that Hey, I
came here to be a star player. I didn't come
here to be a second filler to anyone, and I
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think I needed to make that stak and just so happened.
It was in a game that I felt like, uh,
you know, it was that moment where I needed to
speak out, Well, you don't. There's a there's a reason
you're a Hall of Famer. There's a reason you have
your six rings. There's a reason you're a New York
Times bestseller. And in my heart, because of NBA Jam,
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there's a reason you're still the best video game character
of all time. That move? Do that move with you
the whole time, just to get the guy off the ball.
Scotty could rebound better than anyone that in that game.
Have you ever played yourself in that game? By the way, man,
Scotty missing out, you're missing out in life. Scott. Let
me tell you something now, man, that you did this
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thing with I didn't even know what basketball was. I
just played video games. And then they would there was
this move you would get. You would just you would
rebound right, you jump up. Scotty could get it before everybody.
And then as soon as I land, I do this,
do this, and then everyone would like fall around me,
and then I go to the other side and then
I'm dunk. I was like, I don't know who Scotty Pippen.
I literally knew you as a video game character, like
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in my world. It was like Kennan Reu from Street
Fighter and Scottie Pippen from NBA JAM And then someone
was like, this is a real person in a real country.
I was like, that's ridiculous. No one can jump that
high and then fight people like this, but here he is.
So thank you again, Scotty. I appreciate you. Thank you.
I appreciate it all right, don't forget people. Scotty's memoir
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un Guarded is available right now. You're definitely gonna want
to read it. We're gonna take a quick break, but
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