Growing cool season veggies; Zombie trees!

Episode Transcript

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome.I'm Ron Wilson. You're in the garden
on you on the news radio six' ten WTVN A two to one WTVN
eight hundred and sixty ten WTVN.Yep, we're talking about yardening. Yeah,
it looks like a little frost freezeout there. Maybe tomorrow morning,
maybe even Monday morning as well.We'll talk more a little bit about that
a little bit later on. Butyou know what, I know you haven't

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planted any of those tender annuals.I know you haven't planted those tender tomatoes
and peppers yet, so you reallydon't have a whole lot to worry about
besides maybe covering that Japanese maple orthe hostas maybe. Okay, we'll talk
about that a little bit later,because you know what time it is,
it's time for the buggy Joe Boggsreport. That would be Joe Boggs.
He would be an assistant professor CommercialWarderscuder for the obviously Universe extension. I

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know what you department it tomorrow posherBoy for OSU Extensions. Still can't believe
that one co creator Motha bygl dotOSU dot EEDU is his website. Ladies
and gentlemen, mister common Sense callhimself Buggy Joe Boggs. You know what's
funny is I have a print outwhich I you know, I've had his
reason to say all that stuff.And I found one from the original one

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that I had printed out, andI've made so many notes on it,
I couldn't read anything anymore. Ididn't do another one. And I have
things on I have things on herethat I wrote down that you had said,
words that you had used. Iforgot about our third cousin, Gilmour
Pond. Oh, Gilmour Pond,Oh my goodness. Yeah, the other

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one, Dudley Dudley Woods. Yeah, yeah, I tell you. It's
like all the home day. Yeah, I know. I started reading through
all these all these names and thingsI wrote down, and boy, I
learned all kinds of stuff that Andyou know Mathra coffee, I mean yeah.
Attached on the back of the sheetis a coffee cup that says Mathra

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Coffree Beanery. Boy, I'll tellyou, I think we did talk about
that producing some some cups. Now, that would be something, wouldn't it.
That would be something we could sellthose in fundraiser. Yeah it is.
What are we raising funds for?By the way, ah, well,
we could raise funds for a roadtrip. What do you think I

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mean? Because you know you saidthat I'm a you know, poster child
for extension and I'm always getting told, you know that I should probably go
outside the state. I think theword this is. This is by the
way. I don't know what you'regonna talk about today, but this is
a quiz buggy Joe Bogg's day.Are you ready for the lightning round?

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I'm ready for getting struck by lightning? Yes? All right. During the
depths of the Great Depression, cartoonistE. C. Seger shows a particular
vegetable to give his comic strip charactersuperhuman powers. Who was the character and
what did he eat? I thinkprobably it was I would have just guessed.

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I'm only guessing that it was.It was Dudley Woods and it was
a turnip. I'm sorry, Icouldn't help that. So are we talking
about Popeye? Popeye the Sailor eatingspinach? Now tell me the truth.
Did that not influence you as akid? And I still love spinach?

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It didn't know? But what wasinteresting when I read this story is the
fact that it did actually, andthat was why they did it was to
attempt to kid kids of all agesto eat more of spinach. And they
said because at that time the dietaverage died of Americans were lacking in essential
vitamins and minerals, and especially thekids, and there was a little bit

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of a concern there. So hedid that on purpose. And believe it
or not, they said, duringthe nineteen thirty spin each consumption was said
to have increased by as much asthirty three in some areas. You know
that really that that's crazy. Excuseme, that is crazy. That brings
up a point. I mean,spinach is a cool seasoned vegetable. I

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love Oh yeah, I love spinach. Oh I do, I do,
And I'll tell you it's not.It's well, there are some insects,
I mean, flea beetles can hitspinach, you know, as we know,
of course they can. You know, they can hit a lot of
things. But if you haven't grownin your garden before, let's start there,
or you haven't had egg plant.Now why do I say egg plant,

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Well, you know, flea beetlescan like egg plants too, Then
you're less likely to have it,you know, to have it attacked.
But I'll tell you, I justI just you almost cannot beat fresh you
know, spinach, greens, right, I mean right out of the garden,
and a lot of different you know, in salads you know, raw
or of course if you have theflea beat, we'll just get a little

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crunch there, you know, thatlittle pepper pepper corn in there or something.
But you know what if you ifyou go if you go to like
I have a custom made sub orsomething, and they had choice between spinach
and let us I take the spinach. Oh absolutely, it really has a
It just has such a But youknow, gardeners, you know that that

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we're talking about gardening, and andyou know hopefully everybody has their tomatoes in
so they can cover them. Youknow, that's that's a spring event,
right, Yeah, of course notI am joking. No, don't don't
plant the tomatoes. Don't plant themyet, No, not yet. But
you know we can be putting insome of the cool seasons. Exactly.

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We're wide open for the cool seasonstuff. And yeah, unless I got
into a really serious freeze, shouldn'tbe any problem. Yeah, yeah it
is. You know, we canstill be you know, kind of under
the gun that way. But butthese are the kinds of things. I
mean, all the greens that wecan grow in the garden. You know,
this is sometimes we just simply Ido. I mean, I'm just

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gonna say for myself overlook that youknow, at the edge of your garden,
you've always got someplace where you canhave a row of something, right,
And the greens, as I said, are are things that you know,
again we kind of we sort offorget about because you can put them
in, you know, and thenyou can be planting others and then as

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they start bolting, as they getwarmer, and you say, okay,
it's getting a little out of handnow, then you can just you know,
take them out or leave them asyou know, like green compost.
You know. It's it's on theother hand, yeah, I do have
to say though we do have tobe a little careful with some of them
attracting pasts that can then you know, cause other problems. But it is,

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you know, you had much betterguests on talking about extending the gardening
season than I you know that Iknow about doing. But it is kind
of interesting about the spinach thing andpopeye and of course there's got there must
be about half, you know,demographically, a percentage of the audience listening

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Popeye? What are we talking about? Now? That's what That was my
other comment, How many people evenknow who we're talking about? We talk
about Popeye? By the way,it was the first frozen vegetable to be
marketed with the bird's eye. Youknow, I did know that. I
actually did. Look. I sawa documentary on freezing techniques, and I
did not realize, you know thatthat that bird's eye just they pioneered so

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many things, you know that,and I didn't realize it. Yeah,
Spinach, I do kind of recallback in the depth, my third neuron
is firing here all of a sudden, kind of scary, and I kind
of recall that. It's pretty well, the whole frozen vegetable thing is a
pretty fascinating story, you know,from beginning to end, and I think

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even today, you know, Ilove the idea that we're finding, you
know, that we can store thingsby freezing. You know, I grew
up with canning, and we throwsome things, but canning was the big
thing. But it's it's really fascinating. So that was the first round and
we got through it in fifteen minutes. Unbelievable. By the way, March

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the twenty sixth is National Spending's Dayand you can see a you can you
can see a statue of pop bythe Sailor in the town of Crystal City,
Texas. By golly, there yougo. That's maybe that's where the
road trip heads out. That's theroad trip. Yeah, we we end
up down there, you know withour pictures Selfie's Oh, I think this

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is shaping up, isn't it soundsgood to me. Let's take a quick
break, we come back, we'llfind out what Buggies Joe Boggs really wanted
to talk about here on news radiosix to ten WTVN. Talking to your
areading here on news radio six tenWTVN with our good friend Buggy Joe Boggs
from OSU Extension of course their websitebygl dot OSU dot edu. I had

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another quiz for you, but Iknow you had something you want to talk
about today. Let's do the quiz. That sounds good to me. This
is a diagnostic quiz, and Ithink I can explain it to you.
I was proud of myself that Icame up with the answer for this.
All right, We've got three sixfoot pyramidal arbor fidet he planted early last
fall, watered on a regular basis. They're planted on an eight foot centers

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and they're in a triangle, nograss underneath them, bare ground and got
the email said we planned blah blahblah. Unfortunately, they seem to be
progressively dying from the bottom up.Started with a few branches to the bottom
turning a black brown in late fall, and then it just keeps moving up.
But the interesting thing is when youlook at the picture, Joe,

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now listen to what I'm saying,they are that black brown from the ground
up about fifteen to eighteen inches likeyou drew a circle around the base of
the tree perfectly. Wow. Sothe bottom is dead from eight to fifteen
eighteen inches down all the way aroundall sides, and a perfect straight line

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on all three of them, andit hasn't progressed past that fifteen to eighteen
inch heighth. The rest of theplanet is absolutely wonderful. So I'm suspecting
that they must have a big dogthat likes to walk in circles. Well,
the first question I asked was didyou spray any herbicides around the basic

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yea, all right, Nope,didn't spray anything. It was all cleared
out. We planted him. We'vebeen watered, Mike. You told us,
you know, blah blah blah,And I said, anything else,
it's different that happens out there aroundthe base of those And he said,
our and plural dogs love them.Oh so I said, I was joking,

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yeah, and you were right.Yeah, it's it's the dogs.
They had two or three dogs urinating. And I just emailed back and said,
evergreens and male dogs do not mix. They do not. But you
know there's a very interesting, subtlething happening here that this isn't really nice.
I mean, I know this,this this, this, this tops

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everything that I was going to talkabout seriously, because because we do see
some interesting things with a number ofdifferent plants, but particularly arborviting. And
you and I have talked about thisin the past. So if you have
a if you have a high nitrogenapplication to arborvidy, let's say that that

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someone you know you have arborvidy andthen you're you're spreading fertilizer on a lawn.
You know that's near the arborvi dyand you're using a cyclone spreader,
broadcast spreader, you know, andthese pellets are going all over the place,
a cyclone or yeah, and alodge in yeah, well and a

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rotary okay, And and those fertilizerpellets, if they lodge into that foliage,
the nitrogen specifically can cause a verystrange reaction that that produces kind of
a greasy blackish, bluish blackish foliageand and you know it really stands out.

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They can eventually brown. Uh.And it does present a bit of
a diagnostic conundrum because a lot oftimes, you know, well, actually
if you're if you're just having thearborivide on the lawn, is only on
one side of the arbor BiDi,then you get this pattern of that side
and you know, you may thinkit's service side drift, you may think

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it's something else. But this wasa case with a garden center in Dayton
we talked about some years ago,and that's what happened. However, there's
also another strange occurrence that can happenwith arburvide where there's no nitrogen application,

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there's no high nitrogen, and you'llstill get that bluish black foliage and very
often it's kind of in a randompattern, you know, random meaning that
it's not just on one side oryou know, it's very often though it's
towards the bottom. And that's beena phenomenon that's been reported in Ohio,

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I know, Virginia, North Carolina, and this is coming from their plant
and pest diagnostic clinics, and tomy knowledge, it has never been solved.
It's in a situation where there's absolutelynot been a high nitrogen application inadvertently
you know, exposed to the foliage. So so it is an interesting diagnostic

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things. You know, this isthat's that worked out fairly well. Like
I said, I was kind ofjoking about the dogs. Yes, but
obviously yes, the high nitrogen usuallywith dogs, you know this, you
know, normally it's just like afew spots, you know, it's a
he said. He commented that,he said that, yeah, those guys
have been hammering those things. Inever even thought about that, well,

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I had. I had a similarquestion and got pictures and it took me
a while because it was the browning, you know, the bluish black and
then kind of browning. It wasrandom and fairly high. I mean,
you know, the person sent mepictures and was standing next to it.
It was like it was I mean, it looked like some of them were

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up around the person's waist, andit's like, what in the world.
And I did think dog. Idid think animal. But you know,
like, well at the very end, and this is what's the fun about
diagnostics, right ron. You know, sometimes the answer comes right at the
end. Because I was thinking,I was thinking dog. What turned out
and this was a great Dane breeder. They had great Danes and of course,

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yeah, okay, so that's alittle bit bigger dog. And so
it was. It was really acomical thing because for some reason he didn't
take to that. He didn't thinkof the dogs, you know, urinating
on it, and I didn't,you know, I was saying the pattern
was too too high. You know, maybe a neighbor coming over at night.
I don't know, but it uh. But that is a fun thing

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about diagnostics, isn't it. Wealways learned something. You know, you're
a redneck. If you shared yourdog, that's good. Yeah, you
know, I hate to say that. We may be leaving it on that
note right today, Well, thisis the time of year when diagnostics really,

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you know, it is really cominginto play. You and I are
doing. I'm sure seeing the samethings. You know, a lot of
reports on one of my favorite trees. I just can't help myself. I
really like Japanese maples. And ofcourse when we say that, I hear
them referred to as all kinds,you know, cut leaf maples, you

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know, all Japanese or cut leafthey are not all just from Japan.
That's something that you know, Ialways try to remind one another, right,
but just let's just say the cutleaf maples. But man, they
are highly sensitive to to solve moistureproblems at both ends of the spectrum,
right, too much water, notenough water, either end of the spectrum.

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They can be they can be damaged. And that's something with all the
rainfall we've had this spring, startingto pick up a few you know,
emails with pictures and and very oftenyou see it's a top down die back.
Right. The other indicator could bethat you have all these leaves that
are all these little stems that arestarting to come off the main stem.

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So you're sort of developing a telephonepole appearance if you prune them, and
we call that epicormic growth, andthat's typically produced when a tree is really
in trouble. It's like their lastditch effort to survive because what happens then
is the stress causes buds that areburied in the bark, called admontitious buds,
to break to produce this epicormic growth. It's not a good sign,

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right Roder, you see that ona tree, it's usually well, you're
probably going to need to consider replacingit. But that's a high point this
season. I think that we're notfinished with the impact of the very high
soil moistures that we've been getting through. And our proviety is another one that
can suffer from that, right,you know, we either way, And

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yeah, most of the time comingout of the winter, when I start
seeing that it's they stop watering aboutsome time back in September, Yeah,
when we were getting all that rainfallor we shut off our irrigation system and
then yeah, I was just gonnasay, then it went all fall all
winter, and we did have somerainfall during the winter, but too late

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at that point. And then youget to now and then it starts to
get the piece here and the piecethere, and you know, you're like
that. Yeah, yeah, excellentpoint. You know, as I said,
both ends of the spectrum, andthe hardest thing to diagnose, in
my opinion, are effects that occurredlast summer or late summer before the fall,

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because I kept to remember these evergreensthey can go into the winter,
you know, zombie trees. Youknow they're dead, but we just don't
know it. They're still green orpieces of them can be that way.
So, yeah, this is thetime of year when diagnostics is a bit
of a challenge because you have tokind of weigh everything and also environmental conditions

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that may have been you know,months and months ago. Yep, Joe,
we gotta go, We got tobreak. Oh okay, we've used
up our time. This has beengreat. It's always always a pleasure,
Joe Bogs. Always a pleasure inhaving you back again. The website byg
L dot OSU dot ed you.Thank you, sir. We'll talk to
you next Saturday. Have a greatweekend. You take care on all right,

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bye bye, all right, we'lltake you a quick break. We
come back. Phone lines are openfew at eight two to one WTV in
here on news radio six to tenwtvn uh talking to yarding. And you
know, Joe and I were talkingearlier about the evergreens, and I think
that's and we both are kind ofweird about this. But when we come
out of the winter, it's alwaysinteresting to look at the plants and try
to figure out what happened while they'redoing whatever. And you've got to look
at all the things from last summerthrough the fall, through the winter,

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through the spring season to try tofigure it out in our providing and evergreens
in general. And you know,I've harped on this for the last I
don't know all the time, butabout how important it is to water and
you can and just you know,this time of the year when you start
seeing arborvidy especially that have pieces thatare browning, tips that are browning,
et cetera, et cetera, ninetynine percent of the time is because it

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wasn't watered right or wasn't watered enough. Yeah. I watered it up until
the end of September, but thenwe shut off the irrigation and I stopped
watering. You know, we hadall fall for watering. Well, we
you know, didn't have that muchrainfall, and it was warm and blah,
blah blah, and guess what that'swhat? That is what happens?
And a good example, like whenJoe and I were talking there about the
evergreens and not showing up till lateron. If you do a holiday planner

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around Christmas and New Year's where youtake the evergreen pieces, the evergreen boughs
and stick those in a planter,stick them down to potting soil and make
your holiday planner, and then takethe holiday decorations out, leave it there
over the wintertime, which I doevery year. And then right about ten
days ago or so, when itfinally gets to a point where things really
start to warm up all right andthere's not much more surre in that pot,

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what happens to the evergreens? Theystart to turn lose their color and
they start to turn brown. Nowthey were dead, they were toast when
you cut them off of the evergreenback in the fall to make your holiday
planters, right, your Porsch planters. So they were gone, but they
were amazingly stayed green all winter longuntil it finally got to a point where

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it's time to start to come backto life. No moisture, no roots,
and guess what happens. They startto turn brown and lose their color,
and that's what happens, and thatjust shows you. However, greens,
you can hold that all season,all the way through, and then
start to show those symptoms now orstarting at two or three weeks ago.
So it's always interesting and it isinteresting to try to figure out some of

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these things, and sometimes you can't, you know, just can't figure it
out. But again it's just thatshows you how important it is to keep
up a regular watering, especially ifevergreens for the first two or three years
that they're planted. I consider themnewly planted until they start to get some
kind of a root system established,and then you can start to back off
a little bit as but you stillwant the water as needed in dry situations.

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But for evergreens, it's key,it is key. I can't stress
how important it is to make surethey've got good even moisture that first two
maybe three years, and again supplementas needed during drought periods as well.
Let's see here, Hazel, goodmorning, good morning, How are you

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hey? Just fine? Hey?I just wonder when is the best time
to trim a pushy little I can'treach anymore to make arrangements out of them.
And I wonder I want to beable to have it low enough that
I can reach the cattykins, right, but I don't know when. As
soon as those flowers are done andthen you've done harvesting for the spring,

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uh huh yep, as soon asthat's done, going there and do what
you need to do to prune,and then all the new growth will come
out after that, all your newextension, and then of course you'll have
the catkins on that. So yeah, do it as soon as they're done.
For as soon as that flowering isdone or you're done harvesting. I
didn't go from there, Okay,so I can do it right, Nope,
not gonna hurt the planet all Andwhen you make the cut, you

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know, you can see where thefoliog is coming out, where those buds
are. Just make the cut justabout a quarter of an inch above that
and you're good to go. Okay, You're welcome, Hazel. Good talking
to you all, right, byebye. Hazel's been calling our show for
a long time. Good to hearfrom her. By the way, before
we go into the break, Ido what a couple of things April is
Kid's Garden Month coming up. Atthe top of the hour, We're going

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to talk to em Shipman. Emis the executive director of Kids Gardening.
Their website, kids gardening dot org. It's a it's a national organization,
nonprofit and they have done and stillI mean they have always done, but
are even doing a much. It'sjust crazy what they're doing now to get
kids involving. They offer you somany things that you can download, print

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out, classes, workshops, seminars. She's gonna tell you all about it.
But I'll tell you what if you'rea teacher, church, school,
whatever it may be, you gotkids, grandkids, neighborhood kids, and
you want to get involved with gardening, kids Gardening, their website, kidsgardening
dot org has so much information foryou it makes it a piece of cake.
All right, quick break, wecome back. We'll have them on

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and then of course at the bottomof the hour, we'll open the phone
lines back up for you at atwo to one WTVN here on news Radio
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