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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, everybody. Welcome. I'm Ron Wilson, and you are
in the garden here on news radio six ' ten
WTVN eight two to one wtv IN eight hundred and
six to ten WTVN, talking about yard Eninggan. Before we
get Buggy Joe Boggs on here, I'm just gonna say this,
Your plants are thirsty, Join them for a drink. It
is hot, it has been has been hot, it has
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been dry, and again scattered dryness here and there. But
as we look at the state of Ohio, a lot
of pockets now showing up with extreme or severe drought situations.
I was in Yellow Springs on Monday and they are
just a a horrible pocket there, but it's worse than
other areas. And coming up at the bottom of the hour,
after Buggy Joe Boggs, we're gonna talk to my good
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friend Ron rothis. He is a certified arborist, but he's
a hobby meteorologist and he does an outstanding job predicting
the weather and looking forward ahead and keeping me posted
and all of us posted on where we are as
far as rainfall in the state of Ohio. And now
we have run on a here and of course he's
a graduate of the Ohio State University as well, so
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you know you gotta you know he's good. So anyway,
we'll get him at the bottom of the hour and
get it update because I think you'll be surprised how
much the state of Ohio is in a pretty serious
situation right now. So yep, your plants are thirsty and
you need to join them for a drink. Trust me.
We'll talk more about that as we go through our show,
but in the meantime is time to kick it off
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with the buggy Joe Boggs report. That would be mister
Joe Boggs, Assistant Professor of the Ohio State University Extension,
obviously Hamilton County Associated Faculty. Always you a part of
an entomology website bygl dot OSU dot EU, Ladies and gentlemen,
mister common Sensical itself himself, mister Joe Boggs, Hello Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I am at I am wonderful. Where will you be
at seven fifteen this evening?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I will be camping out, camping out in front of
the TV. I was gonna say, we cannot look, oh,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I can't imagine you actually going on a camping trip.
If the Buckeys are on TV.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No, no, and then we can't look past Western Michigan.
I hope nobody is. You know, you got these sleepers
out there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I can't look past any college team.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You you really can't. We talked about that last week.
It's Yes, that's the wonderful situation that we're in across
the country, right, you know, we don't we have so
many possibilities. That just makes it very interesting. And of course,
you know the NFL started right so, uh what Thursday
night we learned that, yes, football is a game of
inches or toes, right.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Game of toes, exactly, right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Game of toes. So that's going to be very interesting
with uh, with talking with Ron because you know, I
think I had said this to you in a previous
conversation that yesterday. I was driving back from the Ohio
Diagnostic Workshop, which was held yesterday at the OAR D.
C uh Our Research Center up in Worcestern, Ohio, and
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ran into just intense thunderstorms and I was thinking, this
is outstanding, this is what we need. And then I
get home, you know, in southwest Ohio, right out to
the north of Cincinnati, and you know, I asked my wife.
I was thinking, this is great, I won't need the water.
And of course, you know, she was standing in a
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cloud of dust because.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
We got tuble weeds going across your.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Laws, humble weeds, and yes, reading the grapes of wrath,
you know, getting ready to go out to somewhere. But
you know, and I'm sure Ron will really mention this
and delve into this more deeply. I just did something
like I was while I was waiting to come on.
And you can go to the National Weather Service see
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a really nice map on local area rainfall monitoring, and
it's updated I think every seventy two hours or what
I shouldn't say, it was over the past seventy two hours,
I should say. And if you look at that map,
you see that, yes, you know, parts north of Columbus,
northwest of Columbus, west of Columbus, even Columbus itself got
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some rain, but you know, pretty heavy rain, just north
and northwest. But then you move over, like you say,
in the direction of Yellow Springs and Springfield, and there
is just a swath all the way down through where
you and I are located, and even north that just
didn't really get anything. It's just an amazing looking map
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which reminds us of this hit or miss situation that
we're in. And yesterday, literally I would be driving to where,
you know, in such heavy downpours that you know, people
have their hazard lights on and then you just pop
right out of it and the pavement would get dry
very quickly. So those storms are marching along in a
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pretty confined area, and we are, as you said, in
a very serious situation, particularly with well newly planted trees.
I mean, my goodness, newly planted trees and shrubs off.
People aren't monitoring the soiled moisture. And we say that
very deliberately, don't. We always say, don't just water because
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you think you need to, even if you're in a
dry period, if you've watered recently, you know, use the
finger test, you know, get your fingers into soil, get
a you know, something that you can dig a little bit,
see what the moisture is like. You know, we would
hope maybe people would be you know, avid gardeners would
have a soil probe, right, that's like a X ray
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vision into the soil. But just check it out and
make sure that we're not getting so dry that we
then start getting root damage. And there have been a
number of studies in the last twenty thirty years where
you know what we believe to be root rots, well,
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they are root rots. I should just say that they
get confirmed of a root rotting pathogen. Many of those
are water molds in a whole different kingdom from fungi.
They're ooh my seats. And it's often those starts not
with wet but with dry because these pathogens can come
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in more as saprophites starting to digest damage tissue, and
that damage can occur during droughts, right, So you end
up with roots that are damaged dried out during drought out.
And then we get water. You know, we start picking
up rainfallwer thinking oh, we're home free, but the trees
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or shrubs just continue to decline. And that's when we
take a sample and yes, we learn that there is
a water mold or a root rotting pathogen in the soil.
But it didn't start because of the water. It started
because of the drought.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Do you remember Jesus probably five or six years ago? Yeah? Probably?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Were you and I we we were doing the Kentucky trips.
Were you down in October. Yeah, and uh, we were
touring the arboretum there at the University of Kentucky. It
had been a really sure yeah, and the uh that
had been a really really dry period for them, even
worse than than Ohio had been having. And they had
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huge cracks in the ground. I mean it was it
was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And remember, yeah, we lost some people.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well yeah we did. We went down with fifteen and
came back with the eleven or ten or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, but I always.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Remember them telling me, and I don't know it was
doctor Potter or what, but uh, anyway, somebody said something
about the other thing we don't think about is when
these when it gets this dry, and the cracks that
you see like that actually tear the roots of the plants. Yeah,
apart when the crack opens up like that, the roots
actually get broken and it and it's like really and
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they're like, yeah, I think about it and know it
can cause damages that way too, so interesting, but yeah,
it's uh, that's why I keep saying that you know
your plants are thirsty, so get out and join him
for a drink or two or three.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, and you make a very good point, and that
was that was Bill Fountain? Doctor Bill Fountain, doctor from Yeah,
retired from horticulture UK, but still very active. And yeah
he yeah and doctor Yeah, who was who is that? Doctor?
Did I say Pound?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
No? I did? I said who is that?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Oh Pounder? We had Yeah, doctor Pound was right, Yeah,
that's right with the turf grass.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah all right, but get confused.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I know the doctor is in. That's what we need
to say. And and you know, I think, are we
at a break because.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There's there are real quick I just want to I
know you're not a tennis player, uh, and you don't
watch tennis, but did you see the insects got the
spotlight this week at the Open?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
They had to.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Heard something about it.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, there was an insect hopping around on the tennis
court and you're not allowed to smash them. So they
had two guys trying to catch this thing and it
kept jumping and they finally got a hold of it
and come to find out, someone identified it as the
spotted lantern fly. Yeah, and they held a mic down
to it. It was hey, Joe, look at me, Hey Joe,
look at me. I'm on National TV, Look TV, quick break,
(09:26):
we come back more the Buggy Joe Boggs report here
on news radio six to ten WTV in talking with
Buggy Joe Boggs from OSU Extension here on news Radio
six y ten WTV in talking about how the spotted
lantern fly made its debut at the New York the
Tennis Open this week.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, that was yeah, you know, I'm sorry for that
music painted and then it got quiet and I was
waiting to hear the click when I get back on right.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So yeah, you know, that's the interesting thing about spotted
lantern fly. As you were describing that, they we're trying
to they're trying to catch it. Now. First of all,
it's not a fly. It just is named that because
it does have some fly like characteristics. If you when
the wings are open, it sort of resembles a fly,
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sort of. The lantern is presumably associated with like a
Japanese lantern or these these ornamental lanterns. Uh, you know,
that's that's the story. In terms of the common name.
It really is a striking insect. But here is the
important point relative to catching the spot lantern fly. It's
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in a group of insects called hoppers plant hoppers, And
of course we also have not in the same group.
We have tree hoppers and and uh and potato leaf
hoppers for example. The hoppers, now, they are almost better
than grasshoppers, except you know the grasshopper run. You can
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see the legs and you know their name applies it,
so you know they're gonna hop it. But I'll tell you,
based on personal experience, it's almost easier to catch a
grasshopper than it is a spot of lantern fly and.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
The place.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh my goodness. They they well their wings cover the legs,
so they're just sitting there like a little tense you know,
and they and they actually look like a moth to me.
I've had more people say that, and I agree. When
I first saw one of the pictures, I thought, well,
that really is going to be mistaken for a moth.
They're big, and that's the other thing. They're probably one
of the biggest plant hoppers that you're going to see.
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But because those wings obscure the legs, it's a surprise
when they when they hop and and I can't describe it.
It's like they hop so quickly, you know, just might
on my hand approaching one, for example, you could just
see I'm sneaking up on it and just it's like
now you see it, Now you don't they You almost
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can't even see them. They hop so quickly, and as
I said that, that surprises people because they just don't
look like they should do that. But of course you
know that's how they escape predation and so on and so forth.
It makes them very hard to capture, and it provides
entertainment value, right.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Oh it was. It was a good twenty seconds where
you know, they got a standing ovation.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Once they finally caught it, well made the news. And
of course, of course, as we've discussed before, spy lantern
fly is slowly, you know, moving and spreading across Ohio inevitably.
That's you know, we're all going to be facing it.
It's a it's a step sucking insects. And we do
need to be aware that the number one host, and
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this can be deceptive to people, is of course Tree
of Heaven, and the deception comes from the fact that, well,
we consider Tree of Heaven to be a non native
invasive right, so when I first heard that, I thought, fantastic,
you know it's going to ye. But then the deception
extends to the other hosts. They can be found feeding
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on over seventy different types of hosts. And I'm sure
many of the listeners know that they really do, like
they love tree of heaven first. But I'll tell you
if you have a wild grape, and I have some
pictures of this a wild grape stem growing up on
a tree of heaven, boy, they're on that wild grape
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almost as much as they are a tree of heaven.
So that's a concern obviously, because the vineyards now in Pennsylvania,
they've done a very good job of learning how to
manage spot lanternfly in their vineyards. But a management point
focuses very heavy, heavily on doing things that increase the
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vigor of the vines. And that's very important because, like
I said, these are sap sucking insects. They tap into
the flow them, they pull out a lot of the
food flowing through flow them, and of course they pull
out so much that they have to get rid of
the excess fluid and they jet it out the back end,
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and literally they do jet it out. It's amazing how
rapidly they produce what we call honeydew right raining down
on everything, that sticky fluid that we associate with aphians.
But that tells us that they are pulling out a
very important component to the health of that plant. And
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if you focus on making those plants healthier, they can
withstand the infestations much more so than if you have
plants that are under stress. But it leads me to
also at the very top of the spotted lantern fly
host lists are maples, and that's something that was observed
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in Pennsylvania. I talked to a manager for a cemetery,
large cemetery just outside Philadelphia, and he said, you know,
it was interesting. They kept some of their trees of
Heaven to use is I want to call them trap trees,
but they treated those tree of heavens with a new
nicotinoid called safari or dino tephron, and that was to
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try to eliminate them because they knew they were going
to come to tree of Heaven. But then he said
he was very surprised the next most common hosts were
red maples. So what we're going to need to be
prepared for. And we've seen this with other sapsucking insects
like calico scale. You know, many of our soft scale,
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all of our soft scales are sap sucking insects. And
you've seen this in the Mason area right where you
have a lot of calico scale, for example on honey locusts,
and also on maples if those trees are in a
bad sench of you know, if they're in parking lot
tree planters for example, and they have calico scale, we'll
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start seeing the canopy thinning. It's not just because of
the scale. It's a combination of a poor site, you know,
leading to severe stress, coupled with you know, something that
just adds to that stress, the calico scale. And that's
going to be very important with spotted lantern fly because
it's going to behave like calico scale or like a
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lot of other sucking insects. So the impact is going
to be greater on trees and shrubs even other plants
that are under severe stress. And that's a message we
probably need to be focusing on. They're also going to
be a big nuisance pass because you get large numbers.
But what I'm addressing here is a perception that they
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are frontline tree killers, right. I mean sometimes we'll hear
that and they really aren't. Uh, you know, the the
hopper alone don't kill. It's that they add to the
stress that then can lead to killing their hosts.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So I think the the National news that was they
had covered that that I saw anyway, and we and
we're running out of time here, but I had mentioned
at the end of the segment about the damages that
they have caused the grape and grape industry. Yeah, over
the last several years.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
It's been but you know, again you you talk to
manager of vineyards and they're getting they're getting more comfortable. Yeah,
and just by managing the vigor of the vines. So
that's very that's a very important message for folks. There's
not a lot we can do to stop them. Obviously,
they're going to just keep moving through. But but on
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the good news, though, things are finding them good to eat,
believe it or not. And that's something that we've seen
with other non native invasives. So you know, hopefully by
the time they really get rolling in Ohio, we will
have had enough birds learning that they can actually eat them.
We have you know, other insects you know that make
a living on them, and also a number of diseases.
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There were some fungi I know, sounds funny here, but
insect pathogenic fungi that crashed populations in eastern Pennsylvania in
one season. It was pretty dramatic. So hopefully, you know,
those types of things will catch up, so we're not
dealing with the numbers that they dealt with along the
East Coast. I know we're out of time, but you
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know we are.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's good. And by the way, things eating. Joe's not
talking about humans or Joe, because Joe would never eat
an insect, but now we're talking about other critters. Hey, Joe,
always a pleasure, great information, Appreciate it, and we will
talk to you next Saturday.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Go bucks, you go bos. Have a great weekend. Say
hi to Ron for me.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The Iran I will say hi Ron for you as well.
Quick break we come back. Will join us. My good
friend Ron rothis he's the arbor doctor, great meteorologist as well.
We're going to see what his take is on the
severe drought that Ohio is in right now. Yep, that's
right here on news radio six en WTVN. Did you
know we're under a severe drought? I'm as a matter
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of fact, the state of Ohio is looking at a
really severe situation right now, and I it is, and
I thought I bring in my good friend and he's
been on our show several times. He is a obviously,
he is a registered consulting arbist. He does a great job.
He's an ISA board certified Master arbist as well. But
he's a great at meteorology and looking at the weather.
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Keeps me informed all the time, and a lot of
us in the industry in the state of Ohio, keeps
us informed where we are as far as the weather
and the rainfall and things like that. His website is
arbordoctor dot com and he happens to be mister Ronrothis
Good morning, Good morning. I am doing great. So you
know you sent me all this this week, and I
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know I had talked to you earlier about being in
Yellow Springs and how how dry it was there. It
looks like it's a lot more serious in the state
of Ohio than I thought.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, and it's happened rather quickly because of the very
hot weather that we've had, you know, over the past week,
obviously not this morning, and the you know the fact
that we just haven't been getting widespread rains. There were
some scattered you know rain there yesterday, but it hasn't
been real widespread and you mentioned that severe drought, and yes,
some areas are under severe drought. But the the US
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Drought Monitor of several categories ranging from no drought, normally dry,
moderate drought, severe drought, and then two more extreme drought
an exceptional drought. And Ohio has not seen exceptional drought
in the twenty first century. But right now there are
several number of counties in southeast Ohio and then just
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south of Columbus that are now into exceptional drought with
the extreme and severe drought in a much larger area,
including you know, up in the Yellow Springs into the
Columbus area, you know, a wide part of Ohio. There's
really only about five percent of the state in northeast
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Ohio that is not at least abnormally dry right now,
and around sixty somewhat percent is an at least moderate drought.
So the state climatologist, Aaron Wilson, no relation to you,
is saying that this is probably the worst drought since
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nineteen eighty eight and is probably going to go down.
Is one of the worst droughts that Ohio has ever seen.
Twenty two Ohio counties just a few days ago were
declared disaster areas, but the Unitasity's Department of Agriculture because
of the extreme nature of this drought, and there's no
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rain forecast and it's going to go back up in
the eighties this week, so it's not over. And I
guess I know Sunari's got summ rain yesterday, but it's
just it's just going to be a put a dent
in it if that. You know, a lot of areas
didn't get it yesterday, so and I you.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Know it, I haven't heard a whole lot. Actually, I
was kind of surprised after I saw this map and
talking to you and not a lot of mention of
it on the news or anything. And but it's it's
pretty serious. Unfortunately, you've got to take another break round.
Stick with us. We'll come back. We'll talk more about
the UH severe drought and extreme drought and exceptional drought
that we're experiencing here in Ohio here on news radio
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six ten WTV, talking your arding here on news radio
six to ten w TV and special guest right now,
Ron Rothis the Arbor Doctor. Check out his website is
arbordoctor dot com. Go to the UH weather page and
you'll find all of this information on there for you.
It's uh, it's rather scary to look at it right now,
really is to look at the state of Ohio and uh,
and the draft that we are in and the varying
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degrees throughout the entire state, so ron and now we're
looking ahead with all of these extremes and exceptions and
the severes, and you're looking over the next couple of weeks,
You're not seeing any rainfall out there as far as
you can see right now.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Right, No, I mean there's a there's a glimmer of
hope in that there seems to be some precipitation edging
is edging this way, and the two week outlook, but
it's still not here yet even two weeks out, so
it's looking really dry again. It gets hot later this week.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Now.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
I also want to emphasize this disaster declaration because of
the drought, includes Pickaway County, which is you know, in
the you know, right in the Columbus area, right, and
then it includes contiguous counties to the disaster declaration, which
includes Franklin County, so Columbus is actually eligible for disaster assistance,
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you know, agricultural interests and whatnot. Uh into this drought already,
and it looks like it's only going to get worse.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So as we're looking at our landscapes right now, I
got about a minute and a half to go. I mean,
if somebody's saying, okay, I can only water so much,
what's my priority?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Trees? I mean, certainly trees, shrubs. I let the grass
go and don't be mowing it. If it's drout, stressed,
you know, just let it go. My grass never gets
watered and always comes back. Yeah, but you don't want
to keep running a lot more back and forth over it.
But but your trees, your evergreens especially really gonna and
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the new transplants, you know, if it's new, if the
just planted, you know, container ground material is going to
dry out even faster than my experience in bald and
burlot material. You know, I always say one inch per week.
You know, if you're water in a tree, put a
little rain gauge out, measure an inch of water before
you move the hose. If it's a new trans plant,
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you can put the hose at the base of it,
but that doesn't work for an established tree.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Nope, got to get to sprinkle out and let it
run for a while and get a good soaking down
into that. If I do that for a larger tree,
and I'm able to do that, I know, what's an
intro for growing conditions per week. If I could do
that at this stage once every two weeks got to
be a major help.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Oh absolutely, I mean anything you can do is going
to help. And maulch helps is almost a coarse textured mulch.
Arborus woodchips make a great mulch and several inches deep,
a little deeper than we might put the you know,
really finely shredded mulch right, and that really helps the
whole the moisture in the soil as well and keep
it from drying out as quickly. I've seen huge differences
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in trees that are mulched with Arborus woodchips versus not,
you know, maulster at all or not Arburus woodchips.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Got a good, good, great information as usual. Get his
website is arbordoctor dot com. You can do that for
all the tree information, and then you can also look
at his weather pay you'll see all of this. See
the drought monitor on there for Ohio in the United
States as well. It's pretty drastic out there right now.
Can't stress enough how important watering is going to be
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for your landscape. Ron rothis always a pleasure. I know
you're not much of a Buckeye fam at what's your
prediction today?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Not much of a buck eye fan?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Go bop, go bucks. All right, I have a good one.
Appreciate it, Take care all right, bye bye again. Arbordoctor
dot com is a great website. You'll spend hours on their.
Trust me with all the info he puts on. But
he really knows his weather and of course being with
the trees and all keeping up with that as well
in the landscapes, and he keeps us all informs. It
does a great job. All right, quick break, we come
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back Peggy and Montgomery's going to join us. We're going
to talk about planting fall balls. She's our fall ball
expert here on news radio six to ten WTVN
Good morning, everybody. Welcome. I'm Ron Wilson, and you are
in the garden here on news radio six ' ten
WTVN eight two to one wtv IN eight hundred and
six to ten WTVN, talking about yard Eninggan. Before we
get Buggy Joe Boggs on here, I'm just gonna say this,
Your plants are thirsty, Join them for a drink. It
is hot, it has been has been hot, it has
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been dry, and again scattered dryness here and there. But
as we look at the state of Ohio, a lot
of pockets now showing up with extreme or severe drought situations.
I was in Yellow Springs on Monday and they are
just a a horrible pocket there, but it's worse than
other areas. And coming up at the bottom of the hour,
after Buggy Joe Boggs, we're gonna talk to my good
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friend Ron rothis. He is a certified arborist, but he's
a hobby meteorologist and he does an outstanding job predicting
the weather and looking forward ahead and keeping me posted
and all of us posted on where we are as
far as rainfall in the state of Ohio. And now
we have run on a here and of course he's
a graduate of the Ohio State University as well, so
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you know you gotta you know he's good. So anyway,
we'll get him at the bottom of the hour and
get it update because I think you'll be surprised how
much the state of Ohio is in a pretty serious
situation right now. So yep, your plants are thirsty and
you need to join them for a drink. Trust me.
We'll talk more about that as we go through our show,
but in the meantime is time to kick it off
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with the buggy Joe Boggs report. That would be mister
Joe Boggs, Assistant Professor of the Ohio State University Extension,
obviously Hamilton County Associated Faculty. Always you a part of
an entomology website bygl dot OSU dot EU, Ladies and gentlemen,
mister common Sensical itself himself, mister Joe Boggs, Hello Joe.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I am at I am wonderful. Where will you be
at seven fifteen this evening?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I will be camping out, camping out in front of
the TV. I was gonna say, we cannot look, oh,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I can't imagine you actually going on a camping trip.
If the Buckeys are on TV.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No, no, and then we can't look past Western Michigan.
I hope nobody is. You know, you got these sleepers
out there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I can't look past any college team.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You you really can't. We talked about that last week.
It's Yes, that's the wonderful situation that we're in across
the country, right, you know, we don't we have so
many possibilities. That just makes it very interesting. And of course,
you know the NFL started right so, uh what Thursday
night we learned that, yes, football is a game of
inches or toes, right.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Game of toes, exactly, right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Game of toes. So that's going to be very interesting
with uh, with talking with Ron because you know, I
think I had said this to you in a previous
conversation that yesterday. I was driving back from the Ohio
Diagnostic Workshop, which was held yesterday at the OAR D.
C uh Our Research Center up in Worcestern, Ohio, and
(03:03):
ran into just intense thunderstorms and I was thinking, this
is outstanding, this is what we need. And then I
get home, you know, in southwest Ohio, right out to
the north of Cincinnati, and you know, I asked my wife.
I was thinking, this is great, I won't need the water.
And of course, you know, she was standing in a
(03:24):
cloud of dust because.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
We got tuble weeds going across your.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Laws, humble weeds, and yes, reading the grapes of wrath,
you know, getting ready to go out to somewhere. But
you know, and I'm sure Ron will really mention this
and delve into this more deeply. I just did something
like I was while I was waiting to come on.
And you can go to the National Weather Service see
(03:48):
a really nice map on local area rainfall monitoring, and
it's updated I think every seventy two hours or what
I shouldn't say, it was over the past seventy two hours,
I should say. And if you look at that map,
you see that, yes, you know, parts north of Columbus,
northwest of Columbus, west of Columbus, even Columbus itself got
(04:11):
some rain, but you know, pretty heavy rain, just north
and northwest. But then you move over, like you say,
in the direction of Yellow Springs and Springfield, and there
is just a swath all the way down through where
you and I are located, and even north that just
didn't really get anything. It's just an amazing looking map
(04:33):
which reminds us of this hit or miss situation that
we're in. And yesterday, literally I would be driving to where,
you know, in such heavy downpours that you know, people
have their hazard lights on and then you just pop
right out of it and the pavement would get dry
very quickly. So those storms are marching along in a
(04:57):
pretty confined area, and we are, as you said, in
a very serious situation, particularly with well newly planted trees.
I mean, my goodness, newly planted trees and shrubs off.
People aren't monitoring the soiled moisture. And we say that
very deliberately, don't. We always say, don't just water because
(05:18):
you think you need to, even if you're in a
dry period, if you've watered recently, you know, use the
finger test, you know, get your fingers into soil, get
a you know, something that you can dig a little bit,
see what the moisture is like. You know, we would
hope maybe people would be you know, avid gardeners would
have a soil probe, right, that's like a X ray
(05:39):
vision into the soil. But just check it out and
make sure that we're not getting so dry that we
then start getting root damage. And there have been a
number of studies in the last twenty thirty years where
you know what we believe to be root rots, well,
(06:01):
they are root rots. I should just say that they
get confirmed of a root rotting pathogen. Many of those
are water molds in a whole different kingdom from fungi.
They're ooh my seats. And it's often those starts not
with wet but with dry because these pathogens can come
(06:21):
in more as saprophites starting to digest damage tissue, and
that damage can occur during droughts, right, So you end
up with roots that are damaged dried out during drought out.
And then we get water. You know, we start picking
up rainfallwer thinking oh, we're home free, but the trees
(06:41):
or shrubs just continue to decline. And that's when we
take a sample and yes, we learn that there is
a water mold or a root rotting pathogen in the soil.
But it didn't start because of the water. It started
because of the drought.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Do you remember Jesus probably five or six years ago? Yeah? Probably?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Were you and I we we were doing the Kentucky trips.
Were you down in October. Yeah, and uh, we were
touring the arboretum there at the University of Kentucky. It
had been a really sure yeah, and the uh that
had been a really really dry period for them, even
worse than than Ohio had been having. And they had
(07:25):
huge cracks in the ground. I mean it was it
was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And remember, yeah, we lost some people.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well yeah we did. We went down with fifteen and
came back with the eleven or ten or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, but I always.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Remember them telling me, and I don't know it was
doctor Potter or what, but uh, anyway, somebody said something
about the other thing we don't think about is when
these when it gets this dry, and the cracks that
you see like that actually tear the roots of the plants. Yeah,
apart when the crack opens up like that, the roots
actually get broken and it and it's like really and
(07:58):
they're like, yeah, I think about it and know it
can cause damages that way too, so interesting, but yeah,
it's uh, that's why I keep saying that you know
your plants are thirsty, so get out and join him
for a drink or two or three.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, and you make a very good point, and that
was that was Bill Fountain? Doctor Bill Fountain, doctor from Yeah,
retired from horticulture UK, but still very active. And yeah
he yeah and doctor Yeah, who was who is that? Doctor?
Did I say Pound?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
No? I did? I said who is that?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Oh Pounder? We had Yeah, doctor Pound was right, Yeah,
that's right with the turf grass.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah all right, but get confused.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I know the doctor is in. That's what we need
to say. And and you know, I think, are we
at a break because.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There's there are real quick I just want to I
know you're not a tennis player, uh, and you don't
watch tennis, but did you see the insects got the
spotlight this week at the Open?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
They had to.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Heard something about it.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, there was an insect hopping around on the tennis
court and you're not allowed to smash them. So they
had two guys trying to catch this thing and it
kept jumping and they finally got a hold of it
and come to find out, someone identified it as the
spotted lantern fly. Yeah, and they held a mic down
to it. It was hey, Joe, look at me, Hey Joe,
look at me. I'm on National TV, Look TV, quick break,
(09:26):
we come back more the Buggy Joe Boggs report here
on news radio six to ten WTV in talking with
Buggy Joe Boggs from OSU Extension here on news Radio
six y ten WTV in talking about how the spotted
lantern fly made its debut at the New York the
Tennis Open this week.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, that was yeah, you know, I'm sorry for that
music painted and then it got quiet and I was
waiting to hear the click when I get back on right.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So yeah, you know, that's the interesting thing about spotted
lantern fly. As you were describing that, they we're trying
to they're trying to catch it. Now. First of all,
it's not a fly. It just is named that because
it does have some fly like characteristics. If you when
the wings are open, it sort of resembles a fly,
(10:15):
sort of. The lantern is presumably associated with like a
Japanese lantern or these these ornamental lanterns. Uh, you know,
that's that's the story. In terms of the common name.
It really is a striking insect. But here is the
important point relative to catching the spot lantern fly. It's
(10:40):
in a group of insects called hoppers plant hoppers, And
of course we also have not in the same group.
We have tree hoppers and and uh and potato leaf
hoppers for example. The hoppers, now, they are almost better
than grasshoppers, except you know the grasshopper run. You can
(11:01):
see the legs and you know their name applies it,
so you know they're gonna hop it. But I'll tell you,
based on personal experience, it's almost easier to catch a
grasshopper than it is a spot of lantern fly and.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
The place.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Oh my goodness. They they well their wings cover the legs,
so they're just sitting there like a little tense you know,
and they and they actually look like a moth to me.
I've had more people say that, and I agree. When
I first saw one of the pictures, I thought, well,
that really is going to be mistaken for a moth.
They're big, and that's the other thing. They're probably one
of the biggest plant hoppers that you're going to see.
(11:38):
But because those wings obscure the legs, it's a surprise
when they when they hop and and I can't describe it.
It's like they hop so quickly, you know, just might
on my hand approaching one, for example, you could just
see I'm sneaking up on it and just it's like
now you see it, Now you don't they You almost
(12:00):
can't even see them. They hop so quickly, and as
I said that, that surprises people because they just don't
look like they should do that. But of course you
know that's how they escape predation and so on and so forth.
It makes them very hard to capture, and it provides
entertainment value, right.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Oh it was. It was a good twenty seconds where
you know, they got a standing ovation.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Once they finally caught it, well made the news. And
of course, of course, as we've discussed before, spy lantern
fly is slowly, you know, moving and spreading across Ohio inevitably.
That's you know, we're all going to be facing it.
It's a it's a step sucking insects. And we do
need to be aware that the number one host, and
(12:46):
this can be deceptive to people, is of course Tree
of Heaven, and the deception comes from the fact that, well,
we consider Tree of Heaven to be a non native
invasive right, so when I first heard that, I thought, fantastic,
you know it's going to ye. But then the deception
extends to the other hosts. They can be found feeding
(13:10):
on over seventy different types of hosts. And I'm sure
many of the listeners know that they really do, like
they love tree of heaven first. But I'll tell you
if you have a wild grape, and I have some
pictures of this a wild grape stem growing up on
a tree of heaven, boy, they're on that wild grape
(13:31):
almost as much as they are a tree of heaven.
So that's a concern obviously, because the vineyards now in Pennsylvania,
they've done a very good job of learning how to
manage spot lanternfly in their vineyards. But a management point
focuses very heavy, heavily on doing things that increase the
(13:53):
vigor of the vines. And that's very important because, like
I said, these are sap sucking insects. They tap into
the flow them, they pull out a lot of the
food flowing through flow them, and of course they pull
out so much that they have to get rid of
the excess fluid and they jet it out the back end,
(14:14):
and literally they do jet it out. It's amazing how
rapidly they produce what we call honeydew right raining down
on everything, that sticky fluid that we associate with aphians.
But that tells us that they are pulling out a
very important component to the health of that plant. And
(14:37):
if you focus on making those plants healthier, they can
withstand the infestations much more so than if you have
plants that are under stress. But it leads me to
also at the very top of the spotted lantern fly
host lists are maples, and that's something that was observed
(14:57):
in Pennsylvania. I talked to a manager for a cemetery,
large cemetery just outside Philadelphia, and he said, you know,
it was interesting. They kept some of their trees of
Heaven to use is I want to call them trap trees,
but they treated those tree of heavens with a new
nicotinoid called safari or dino tephron, and that was to
(15:22):
try to eliminate them because they knew they were going
to come to tree of Heaven. But then he said
he was very surprised the next most common hosts were
red maples. So what we're going to need to be
prepared for. And we've seen this with other sapsucking insects
like calico scale. You know, many of our soft scale,
(15:42):
all of our soft scales are sap sucking insects. And
you've seen this in the Mason area right where you
have a lot of calico scale, for example on honey locusts,
and also on maples if those trees are in a
bad sench of you know, if they're in parking lot
tree planters for example, and they have calico scale, we'll
(16:06):
start seeing the canopy thinning. It's not just because of
the scale. It's a combination of a poor site, you know,
leading to severe stress, coupled with you know, something that
just adds to that stress, the calico scale. And that's
going to be very important with spotted lantern fly because
it's going to behave like calico scale or like a
(16:27):
lot of other sucking insects. So the impact is going
to be greater on trees and shrubs even other plants
that are under severe stress. And that's a message we
probably need to be focusing on. They're also going to
be a big nuisance pass because you get large numbers.
But what I'm addressing here is a perception that they
(16:49):
are frontline tree killers, right. I mean sometimes we'll hear
that and they really aren't. Uh, you know, the the
hopper alone don't kill. It's that they add to the
stress that then can lead to killing their hosts.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So I think the the National news that was they
had covered that that I saw anyway, and we and
we're running out of time here, but I had mentioned
at the end of the segment about the damages that
they have caused the grape and grape industry. Yeah, over
the last several years.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
It's been but you know, again you you talk to
manager of vineyards and they're getting they're getting more comfortable. Yeah,
and just by managing the vigor of the vines. So
that's very that's a very important message for folks. There's
not a lot we can do to stop them. Obviously,
they're going to just keep moving through. But but on
(17:48):
the good news, though, things are finding them good to eat,
believe it or not. And that's something that we've seen
with other non native invasives. So you know, hopefully by
the time they really get rolling in Ohio, we will
have had enough birds learning that they can actually eat them.
We have you know, other insects you know that make
a living on them, and also a number of diseases.
(18:12):
There were some fungi I know, sounds funny here, but
insect pathogenic fungi that crashed populations in eastern Pennsylvania in
one season. It was pretty dramatic. So hopefully, you know,
those types of things will catch up, so we're not
dealing with the numbers that they dealt with along the
East Coast. I know we're out of time, but you
(18:34):
know we are.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
That's good. And by the way, things eating. Joe's not
talking about humans or Joe, because Joe would never eat
an insect, but now we're talking about other critters. Hey, Joe,
always a pleasure, great information, Appreciate it, and we will
talk to you next Saturday.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Go bucks, you go bos. Have a great weekend. Say
hi to Ron for me.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The Iran I will say hi Ron for you as well.
Quick break we come back. Will join us. My good
friend Ron rothis he's the arbor doctor, great meteorologist as well.
We're going to see what his take is on the
severe drought that Ohio is in right now. Yep, that's
right here on news radio six en WTVN. Did you
know we're under a severe drought? I'm as a matter
(19:16):
of fact, the state of Ohio is looking at a
really severe situation right now, and I it is, and
I thought I bring in my good friend and he's
been on our show several times. He is a obviously,
he is a registered consulting arbist. He does a great job.
He's an ISA board certified Master arbist as well. But
he's a great at meteorology and looking at the weather.
(19:40):
Keeps me informed all the time, and a lot of
us in the industry in the state of Ohio, keeps
us informed where we are as far as the weather
and the rainfall and things like that. His website is
arbordoctor dot com and he happens to be mister Ronrothis
Good morning, Good morning. I am doing great. So you
know you sent me all this this week, and I
(20:00):
know I had talked to you earlier about being in
Yellow Springs and how how dry it was there. It
looks like it's a lot more serious in the state
of Ohio than I thought.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, and it's happened rather quickly because of the very
hot weather that we've had, you know, over the past week,
obviously not this morning, and the you know the fact
that we just haven't been getting widespread rains. There were
some scattered you know rain there yesterday, but it hasn't
been real widespread and you mentioned that severe drought, and yes,
some areas are under severe drought. But the the US
(20:35):
Drought Monitor of several categories ranging from no drought, normally dry,
moderate drought, severe drought, and then two more extreme drought
an exceptional drought. And Ohio has not seen exceptional drought
in the twenty first century. But right now there are
several number of counties in southeast Ohio and then just
(20:57):
south of Columbus that are now into exceptional drought with
the extreme and severe drought in a much larger area,
including you know, up in the Yellow Springs into the
Columbus area, you know, a wide part of Ohio. There's
really only about five percent of the state in northeast
(21:17):
Ohio that is not at least abnormally dry right now,
and around sixty somewhat percent is an at least moderate drought.
So the state climatologist, Aaron Wilson, no relation to you,
is saying that this is probably the worst drought since
(21:38):
nineteen eighty eight and is probably going to go down.
Is one of the worst droughts that Ohio has ever seen.
Twenty two Ohio counties just a few days ago were
declared disaster areas, but the Unitasity's Department of Agriculture because
of the extreme nature of this drought, and there's no
(21:59):
rain forecast and it's going to go back up in
the eighties this week, so it's not over. And I
guess I know Sunari's got summ rain yesterday, but it's
just it's just going to be a put a dent
in it if that. You know, a lot of areas
didn't get it yesterday, so and I you.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Know it, I haven't heard a whole lot. Actually, I
was kind of surprised after I saw this map and
talking to you and not a lot of mention of
it on the news or anything. And but it's it's
pretty serious. Unfortunately, you've got to take another break round.
Stick with us. We'll come back. We'll talk more about
the UH severe drought and extreme drought and exceptional drought
that we're experiencing here in Ohio here on news radio
(22:39):
six ten WTV, talking your arding here on news radio
six to ten w TV and special guest right now,
Ron Rothis the Arbor Doctor. Check out his website is
arbordoctor dot com. Go to the UH weather page and
you'll find all of this information on there for you.
It's uh, it's rather scary to look at it right now,
really is to look at the state of Ohio and uh,
and the draft that we are in and the varying
(23:00):
degrees throughout the entire state, so ron and now we're
looking ahead with all of these extremes and exceptions and
the severes, and you're looking over the next couple of weeks,
You're not seeing any rainfall out there as far as
you can see right now.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Right, No, I mean there's a there's a glimmer of
hope in that there seems to be some precipitation edging
is edging this way, and the two week outlook, but
it's still not here yet even two weeks out, so
it's looking really dry again. It gets hot later this week.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Now.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
I also want to emphasize this disaster declaration because of
the drought, includes Pickaway County, which is you know, in
the you know, right in the Columbus area, right, and
then it includes contiguous counties to the disaster declaration, which
includes Franklin County, so Columbus is actually eligible for disaster assistance,
(23:56):
you know, agricultural interests and whatnot. Uh into this drought already,
and it looks like it's only going to get worse.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So as we're looking at our landscapes right now, I
got about a minute and a half to go. I mean,
if somebody's saying, okay, I can only water so much,
what's my priority?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Trees? I mean, certainly trees, shrubs. I let the grass
go and don't be mowing it. If it's drout, stressed,
you know, just let it go. My grass never gets
watered and always comes back. Yeah, but you don't want
to keep running a lot more back and forth over it.
But but your trees, your evergreens especially really gonna and
(24:38):
the new transplants, you know, if it's new, if the
just planted, you know, container ground material is going to
dry out even faster than my experience in bald and
burlot material. You know, I always say one inch per week.
You know, if you're water in a tree, put a
little rain gauge out, measure an inch of water before
you move the hose. If it's a new trans plant,
(25:00):
you can put the hose at the base of it,
but that doesn't work for an established tree.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Nope, got to get to sprinkle out and let it
run for a while and get a good soaking down
into that. If I do that for a larger tree,
and I'm able to do that, I know, what's an
intro for growing conditions per week. If I could do
that at this stage once every two weeks got to
be a major help.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Oh absolutely, I mean anything you can do is going
to help. And maulch helps is almost a coarse textured mulch.
Arborus woodchips make a great mulch and several inches deep,
a little deeper than we might put the you know,
really finely shredded mulch right, and that really helps the
whole the moisture in the soil as well and keep
it from drying out as quickly. I've seen huge differences
(25:43):
in trees that are mulched with Arborus woodchips versus not,
you know, maulster at all or not Arburus woodchips.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Got a good, good, great information as usual. Get his
website is arbordoctor dot com. You can do that for
all the tree information, and then you can also look
at his weather pay you'll see all of this. See
the drought monitor on there for Ohio in the United
States as well. It's pretty drastic out there right now.
Can't stress enough how important watering is going to be
(26:11):
for your landscape. Ron rothis always a pleasure. I know
you're not much of a Buckeye fam at what's your
prediction today?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Not much of a buck eye fan?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Go bop, go bucks. All right, I have a good one.
Appreciate it, Take care all right, bye bye again. Arbordoctor
dot com is a great website. You'll spend hours on their.
Trust me with all the info he puts on. But
he really knows his weather and of course being with
the trees and all keeping up with that as well
in the landscapes, and he keeps us all informs. It
does a great job. All right, quick break, we come
(26:41):
back Peggy and Montgomery's going to join us. We're going
to talk about planting fall balls. She's our fall ball
expert here on news radio six to ten WTVN
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