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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy. Don't forget our website run Wilson online
dot com Facebook page. In the garden with Ron Wilson
and as I promise, it's time for a bifurcation of segments,
whether it's the weather and in the trees with Ronnie Rothas.
He's the amateur meteorologist weather Predictor Extraordinaire, Registered Consulting arbors I,
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State Board Certified Master Arboris. He's got about ten other
plaques on his office wall as well, with all kinds
of certifications. He's a cornacopia filled with copious amounts of
strange and unusual information. His website arbordoctor dot com. Ladies
and gentlemen, ronrothis sit down, sit down, Good morning sir,
(00:51):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
How are you I?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Why was any better? I would be? Ron Rothis?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
You gonna have to work on being better then, Not
because it's I'm not much better than you, but because
you need to have higher I need to have what
you have, higher goals.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We're losing you. You're fading in and out on us
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Anyway, is that any better?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That's better? Thank you. I was going to also say
that you were our professional at Shinrin Yoku.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I have no idea what that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Is professional forest bather because you're always in the trees
and look, you're always happy and upbeat, had a very
positive attitude. And that's because you hang out in the trees.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And there is there's abundant scientific research that shows the
exposure to hanging out in the trees and get your greenery.
And as you were talking out a little bit earlier
in the show, you know, with everything that we've had
happening recently in the country, going out and doing some
gardening or taking a walk in the woods. But you know,
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the science is very clear that it is very beneficial
to our mental health.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
No doubt. And you know, idea if and if you
can't you can't think of a park or somewhere to go,
I just say, go to your local gardens so you
don't have to buy anything. Just walk through and enjoy
all the stuff they've got right now, lots of color,
lots of fall color, and the pumpkins and all and
just chill out.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, it's I'll tell you what. There's some beautiful garden
centers around Meamma on the west side of Cincinnati, and uh,
you know white out Gardens is beautiful, beautiful gardens. Oh yeah,
east side of Cincinnati you have beautiful garden centers. Uh
so excuses, but there are alsos. Cincinnati area is just
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really blessed to have some beautiful parks both in the city.
I'm sure other you're broadcast in or very really no excuses,
and it's getting like you know, there is in the
ends right now. Yeah, fift degrees right now, lit moll
so you know, get out meet them or walking in
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the woods. It's going to be much cooler under the
fees and is out in the open somewhere. Oh yeah,
it's a great way, you know, pay attention to something
else other than you know, some of the natives having.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Going on, no doubt about it. Talking with Ron roethis
this website arbordoctor dot com. Yes, he is fading in
and out, but we'll get that corrected somehow. Uh. Before
we go into the break, first thing I want to
talk about. We just lost him, so we'll pick him
back up again. I don't know what was going to
call him back here. Yeah, we're going to try to
reconnect with him. But when I was talking about the
forest bathing, it's it's known as shinrin yoku, and it
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really is true, uh, going out there and and then
moving through, walking through, sitting down, enjoying all the different
aspects that you see. You know, one thing I've always
told and if you've listened our show over the years,
I've always said that even if you're not a hunter,
all right, deer hunting, there's something about deer hunting. Just
do it. Don't deer hunt. You call back immediately because
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he is Ron Rothulson, because he is Ron rothis but
don't you don't have to deer hunt, but do like
you would if you were deer hunting, where you go
out at four o'clock in the morning in a complete darkness,
get yourself set up in the woods, you know, wherever
we may be, in a stand or down on the ground,
and just sit there and watch as mother Nature comes
to life and the sun comes up. You will be
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I don't know, there's something about that experience that is
absolutely phenomenal. And that's why you see Ron sometimes climb
up in the tree and just hang out at four
in the morning until the sun comes up and then
he goes to work. Yes, is that what I did?
I don't know. I think it's what you do. Hey,
all right, so we got you back, hopefully we got
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you connected here. Let's talk. First of all, it would have.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Been much more exciting if I had been out when
I was in the studio with you a couple of
weeks ago. You know, I'm there one minute, gone the next.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That would be interesting. It would be you're still fading
it out a little bit. But let's let's try this.
Get this to the segment. First of all, looking at
the weather we are now, if I'm not mistaken, looking
at the drought monitor for the Midwest, most of the
state of Ohio is in either a slight or moderate drought.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, it's it's kind of scattered, but you know their areas,
they're just normally dry. But I think can for this
is in a moderate drought. Yeah, it's very driver. Hell,
and the weather forecast is not prominent because we have humidities,
high temperatures in the upper eighties or even low nineties
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for one or two days. It's it's not a pretty
picture right now.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Fortunately, so as we're looking out there right now, as
far as watering goes. You know, I think we're I
don't know where we are as far as rainfall in
an area, and you can't really look at that because
you just have to look and say, yeah, we are
extremely dry. One of my points earlier on was that,
you know, we've got to stick with this watering, especially
those evergreens.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, and you know, rainfall kind of variable. But my
lash uh you know, Shivy at the west west side
of Cincinnati. Basically I had basically one farm in the
month of August. Total rainfall for the entire month was
one point one point one Total rainfall months of September
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so far zero point sixty nine inches, So I mean
one point eight inches the first of August. That is
maybe a third of what we would get in that
time period. So yes, I mean newly transplanted trees, everythings,
but really just about everything, because Ron, what do we
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talk about every year in January, February, March, and it's
you know, becoming uh cercicle. Right now, with Halloween coming
up a month or so, the ghosts of droughts passed,
and right is the time when we're either ghosts of
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droughts passed to show up next spring or prevent that?
And what are the ghosts of droughts passed? Evergreens trees declining,
every problems turning brown, you know, three months after the drought,
five months after the rout drought, six months after the drought.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I can't tell you how many times here I've gotten
calls frien, well, you know, I don't understand why my
evergreens turning brown and March or April or June and
I go up out stress and they said, but it's
pouring down in every day and it's like, yeah, but
it wasn't last fall. So you know right now?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Is that to all that?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And people say things like, well I can't afford the
water bill. Well, you know, if you lose five green
giant arbery, it's gonna cost many hundreds if not, you know,
a few thousand dollars if you have someone pump, I'm
can you afford that?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Last year I think the most of the most it's
a water bill that I had was maybe a couple
of hundred bucks. Well, you can't buy one eight foot
green giant arborviting and have it planted for that, so
you know, it's just it's an investment in the future
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right now. I don't mean getting out there. You're built
through the roof and water every day. It's sensible watering
an inch per week. You know, put the sprinkler out there,
put a little coffee can out, or buy a little
rain gage from the heart story, and and maasure how
much water you're putting out so you're not overdoing it
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with the watering. You don't want you to be out there,
you know, watering every day in areas of Cincinnati. It
maybe areas I know you're you're nationwide the areas they
have sandy soil. Some of those areas do more frequent water.
But in the area, you know, it's it's one an
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if the hem and watering, but you know, put the
sprinkler out and then don't water that area again for
a week or ten days or whatever. But when you
do water, make sure you're putting that inch down at least.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yep, Ryan, we're losing you big time. Let's let's take
a break when we come back. I got questions about
Ron as far as what happen of trees are planted
too deep, So we're gonna jump back into tree care.
But again, the big, the main you know thing here
right now is as I mentioned earlier in the show,
water is very very important, and the his saying about
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the ghosts of the droughts past is true. And if
it cost you another one hundred bucks a month to
water extra to protect all those plants, it's worth the
one hundred dollars because it'll cost you a heck a
lot more than that to replace those plants down the roade,
plus the time involved to get them to grow. Eight
hundred a two three eight two five five. That's our
number here in the garden with Ron Wilson talking to
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you yarding at eight hundred eight two three eight two
five five this morning, our of course, our hobby meteorogist,
and I say certified arburst and the all kinds of
other things that he has plaques on his wall for.
I mean, he knows his stuff. Website arbordoctor dot com.
Ronrothis so hopefully we're not gonna get your fading in
and out here. We got you connected to try it again.
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But so you know, one of the things you and
I kind of and you especially but working on trying
to really bring around around the awareness about show me
that root flair planting trees properly, and of course fall
being a great time for planting, and so a lot
of trees are going to get planted this fall. But
do you go out and I do occasionally and find
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these trees that are struggling or not doing so well,
and you clear things away and you find out they're two, three,
four or five six inches too deep into the ground.
So when that happens and they've been growing for a
couple of years, can you save trees that are planted
too deep?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You can? It depends sometimes on how long it's been
like that. People will call me out to look at mature,
older trees and sometimes it's basically past the point you
can do anything. The younger the tree is, the more
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success you're going to have. When I say younger, I
mean it can be, you know, several years after it
was planned, you know, a number of years and still
be fine. But having soil up over the root flare
no matter how old the tree is. And I've uncovered
root flares on trees that you know, that were decades old,
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and it really really helps. But you know, the deep planning,
the veried root flare is a big problem. And what
will happen with some trees, and probably the worst is
red maple. Is when they are too deep, they'll form
a secondary root system up above the main root flare,
and some of those roots will, you know, grow around
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the trunk of the tree, and as the trunk of
the tree grows, will start to girdle the trunk of
the tree. And it's that girdling process and whatnot that
makes some of that correction very difficult to impossible over time,
so you really want to catch it before that happens.
The other thing that happens is roots start growing upwards
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from the buried root flare, so over time that that
root system comes back up to the surface, and if
you try to dig down and uncover the root flair,
you end up running into the main root system. It's
coming upwards, so all you can really achieve is a
little bit of a dish around the base of the tree.
So ideally you want to correct that when you plant
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the tree. And you know, just a major caution to
your listeners. I run into it on almost every landscape
where trees, root systems are buried when planted by professional landscapers,
So please don't assume because your tree was professionally planted
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that was planted at the right depth.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
In fact, I would.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Assume that it very well wasn't unless you go out
and actually find that the rude flare is visible, because
it's very often it is not. You know, pictures worth
a thousand words. Knowing what we're going to talk about
this morning, I went to my blog site, which if
listeners go to arbordoctor dot com and you'll see blog.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
At the top.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I put two posts on there. One is the tree
planting guide that the Ohio Chapter ISA developed last year
and I was on that committee, which shows how a
tree should be planted. And then the other post that
I put on this morning was fixing deep planting and
buried rood flares and actually has videos on there showing
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how that rude flare depth correction can actually be done.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
If a tree, a younger tree, let's say it's been
planning for two or three years and it winds up
being six inches below the ground, is that a situation
where you would really suggest coming in and maybe digging
the tree back up and replanting it. I mean, that's
a lot of excavation to get sort off the top
of the that root flare, and then what do you do.
Now your tree is planted in a depression.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, I hate to say it depends, but it depends. Okay,
if the if the tree is truly you know, six
inches deep in a flat area, and you're going to
have a serious depression at some point, I would say, yeah,
you might have to dig the tree up and replant it.
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I really try to avoid that because you know, when
the tree has been in for a while, it's it's
you know, it's root system has taken hold, it's more
new roots. When you dig up the tree, you cut
a lot of those roots, and you're really starting over
with that tree. You know, you're you're kind of replanting it.
So it's so it's very hard on the tree. And
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if you have a depression around the tree, you know,
people say, isn't water going to collect around there? Well, yeah,
it made temporarily in a heavy rainstorm. But if your
soil is you know, well drained, you're just normally well drained,
it'll percolate into the into the soil and disperse within
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you know, an hour or so. So it's not a
problem really to have a depression around the tree. But
like I said, obviously, if it's if it's too deep
and six inches it might be might be getting there.
You kind of have to do it eventually.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Go to his website arbordoctor dot com. He has posted
some things videos and pictures there for you to see
what you should be looking for. And again, if you're
not sure, call out your certified arborst have them take
a look at the tree as well. Ron Roth, It's
always a pleasure. Arbordoctor dot com. Take care. Welcome back
here in the garden with Ron Wilson. It's time to
get attle update with our wild birds. And you know
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who we're gonna talk to. She knows more about wild
birds and wildbirds know about wild birds. A matter of fact,
if you're having a party at your house, invite her
over and she'll go outside, stand on your patio, put
her arms out to her sides. She'll look on a
Saint Francis statue and the birds land all over her,
on her shoulders, her head, and you know what, they
don't poop on her. They just enjoy having her there.
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She is the She is like the grand Poopa of
all of the birds from wild Birds Unlimited, our wild
wing wonder. Monica Brubaker, the Morning thank you. All those birds,
all those birds lined up on the ledges this morning
looking in the windows. Yeah, she's got to be on there.
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Oh yeah, pecking on the windows. Monica Brubaker.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
How are you good to see you, to talk to you. Yes,
I'm very good. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You can imagine that you're seeing me. I imagine when
I'm talking to people, I see you.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So yeah, there you.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Go, all right, right off the back website for everybody.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
WBU dot com, slash Westchester or Springbar.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
There you go, and lots of great information on there
for you as well. You guys still doing classes and
things like that.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, we're doing Yeah, walks and talks we've got coming up.
Let's see, Raptors Inc. Is going to be visiting us
on October twelfth. Oh cool with yeah, with some owls.
So they're going to be talking about owls.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Look at look on the website and there's a link
that shows all of our walks and talks. We updated
regularly and there will be things, you know, throughout the year.
Sure we don't just do it in the summer. We
you know, continue to have things available throughout so yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Excellent, All right, let's take a look at our wild
Birds out there. I don't know how often you get
a chance to listen to our show because you're always
traveling learning more about birds around the country. But had
an eagle in our backyard about a month, month and
a half. Yeah, it was the greatest thing.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Ever, just hanging out.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
No, well it it was until a big a murder
of crows I guess that's what they're called. Oh yeah,
took off after it and chased it over to the fields.
We get him every now and then in our nursery.
We'll see him by the lakes, up in the trees.
But this came out. It was a younger one. This
one came out from the woods right behind our house.
And I had just gotten home, swept down across the
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lawn and I was like, what's like an airplane? And
I was like, what the heck is? Oh my gosh,
And I went outside and went back up on the top.
And then when trotted over our house, I went out
the front door. Of course, I don't have my cell
phone with me, right and I'm looking and I don't
see it. I look back and it's sitting on top
of our roof, on this bricked divider and he's sitting
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really still, and I put my hand up because the
sun was out to look at him. And then he
took off again and flew and then went back to
the woods. And then all of a sudden, I hear
all these crows going nuts, and I look out and
I can see them on his tail as he's flying
back across his field, headed like southeast or so. It
was absolutely unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yes, you love it when that happens.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh. Yeah, they were all over it. I mean, and
they were on him too. They didn't mess around, but
that thing was so big. It was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I never see orioles in my yard, but I get
an eagle, I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I had goosebumps, I'm telling you, and I still get goosebumps.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Tell the story.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So we've gone through Uh, we're in a bit of
a drought right now in our area. It's been it's
been hot u we cooled down, which has been nice
over the last couple of weeks, but very very dry.
How is this affecting both our birds that hang out
all the year, and then of course the migratory birds
are now starting to move through. I'm assuming.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
They are. Yes, they are the there's lots of warblers
coming through right now. You know, if you've got a
bird bath, you've probably noticed that. You know, the activity
there has definitely picked up. I mean because they are
searching for the water. But you know it affects of course,
you know with leaves dropping and berries. You know, there's
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a lot of natural food out right now and it
may be dropping early, but there's lots out there for them.
So your feeders may actually slow down. But depending on
what you know, you're migrating birds are coming through, it
might be very busy at any given time, so so
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keep them going.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
So you know, right now we start to see an
increase in monarch butterflies in our area as they're starting
to yeah, migrate south. A lot of folks that haven't
seen them, like all of a sudden, you're here, so
you know, everybody scrambling to get milkweed out and things
like that to help them along. So as we're looking
at migratory birds and they're a very very important part
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in course, they're they're they're you know, the losses of
birds have been phenomenal, just like pollinators. They're on this
journey as well. Should our seed mixes and our feeders
change a little bit right now to kind of compensate
for all the different types of birds that are moving through,
or or should we do anything specific, or just yeah,
stick with what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think that adding millet to your mix right now,
a light a light blend, you know, with a light
a little bit of millet isn't a bad idea. Throughout
the fall, we've got ground feeders that are coming in.
We'll have more ground feeders during the fall in the
winter than any other time of year. So you know,
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you can watch for junk goes and white crowned, white
throated sparrows and they will eat off the ground. So
but don't you know the millet has to be somewhat
controlled in our area because it does attract our non
native sparrows that can be very aggressive. So just a
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light mix of millet is good, you know, and even
putting out a ground feeder is a good idea.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Now when for somebody that's not familiar, what is a
ground feeder?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, you know, we've got feeders that actually do sit
on the ground because some birds don't like to go.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Up to.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Go up to feeders and they stay on the ground
for it, So then it becomes open to of course
our friends squirrels, raccoons. But the beauty of what we
have at wild Birds Unlimited is we have a seed
that is hot pepper seed. It's got hot pepper, and
mammals like you and I, squirrels, raccoons taste hot pepper
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that birds do not. So you can, you know, put
your feeders with hot pepper and and it'll be just
for your birds. That was a great option.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Is that a that's available? I know you sell wild
Birds Unlimited, you sell see that's pre coded with with
that cap station. But can you buy that and do
it yourself too?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Well? The thing is is that what we have is
extremely hot.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
You know, there's.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Different levels right of ron, so what you would use
number one is probably not. I mean, you know you
don't want it to be airborne to get in your
eyes or anything else. So yeah, sure you can and
you can try it, but you know you're going to
be better off just buying it and already mixed and
no problems with it being airborne.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You know, that's been that's been around now for seems
very consistent for several years as far as being a
good repellent for the mammals, the raccoons, and the squirrels.
I mean, I think that's become pretty much the go
to now right for for keeping the keeping the squirrels out.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, I mean, it definitely is. And I know a
lot of people get concerned about, you know, the feeding
of hot pepper, but wild birds, you know, that's what
we do. We make sure we guarantee it's going to
be safe for your birds. It's you know, not going
to harm them or your squirrels and raccoons. They may
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taste it, okay, you know, they may try it, but
it's certainly not going to harm them. So yeah, it
is a viable option. There's other ways, well, we can
keep the squirrels and raccoons off.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You caught that there are other ways. Let's take a break.
We got more with Monica brew Baker's she here is
our wild winged wonder from wild Birds Unlimited. We'll find
out what some of those other options are and what
we should be doing for our birds as we start
to cruise into the fall season. Here in the Garden
with Ron Wilson. Welcome back here in the Garden with
Ron Wilson. We're talking bird with our wild Winged Wonder
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from wild Birds Unlimited Monica brew Baker. And you know
one of the things that I know you I bet
you guys get asked this every day at least once
in your outlets, what do I do about the squirrels?
And I know they drive just dry people nuts, they do.
And right now we grow those little mini decorative pumpkins
and they're into those big time. They have just destroyed,
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which tells me twofold. I was trying to explain to
my wife. One is it's really dry out and they're
looking for moisture. So if they find that moisture, they're
in and maybe that's going to be a tough winter.
Who knows. Maybe that's a little Mother nature predictor there.
They're jumping into those already. But birds are the same way.
So you've got to, as you said earlier, keep that
water going so important. Bird feeders may not be on
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there quite as much right now because the supply naturally
is good, but you still want to keep the bird
feeder going.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Don't see that.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You go ahead, no, right now, it's a good time,
you know, to like reevaluate your whole setup there out there.
You know, have you got everything set up as you
want it. We've got great pole systems you know that
allow you to hang your feeders in multiple different ways.
You know, clean your feeders, bring your feeders in, get
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them a good wash, you know, put them back out.
We're having a feeder swap coming up mid October where
you bring your old feeders in and we're going to
give you twenty percent off on a new feeder.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Cool so you know, kind of evaluate what's going on
and again get working my way towards the squirrel issue.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
As far as squirrel proof bird feeders right and ways,
there are ways to get around them, there.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Are, and you know, so much of it has to
do with placement. I mean, we do have squirrel proof
feeders themselves that work.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
They really do work.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But in terms of hanging a feeder out and keeping
a squirrel off of that, you know, it's a matter
of placement and then you know the use of baffles
so that they can't climb up to get to your feeders.
But it can be done. Everybody says, now it can.
I've tried everything. Well, you know, come on in, We're
going to talk to you and you know, help you
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out because it can be without the use of you know,
hot pepper.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, it can be done, says Monica brew Baker, and
she is our wild wing wonder And if anybody knows
that it can be done, it would be Monica brew
Baker talking about the birds. So Wildbird's Unlimited, of course,
and they do such a great job.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Again, your website is WBU dot com slash Westchester or Springboro.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Got a couple of locations for you to check out there.
Of course, wild Birds Unlimited for folks that aren't listening,
are from the Cincinnati area. They're all around.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
They are the what three hundred and eighty store franchise.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Wow, that's all.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, I've been around since nineteen eighty two. So and
Jim Carpenter started it. He's still involved.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
The great you know, the whole the whole company is
just uh, you know, we want to bring nature to you.
And you know we're not a high cell we don't
try to push product on you. We're really concerned about
your needs. What do you need, what do you want?
And you know we'll figure out the best solutions for it. So, yeah,
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you haven't been in stop in and of course.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Uh, the the good thing about jim As you came
up with the bark butter butts bites butter butter. Yes, yeah,
you got it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yes, yes, that name is being used synonymously now with
you know, any spread that goes on trees, even though
it is trademark. But yeah, bark butter is has more
species a more a higher species count than any other
single bird food out there. We have it in many forms.
We have it in the spreadable form. We also have
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it in nugget form, we have it in suet form.
It's in every form. But yeah, birth love it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And if you're one of feed your robins, you can
get the bites and sprinklows around and they love to
eating that.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yes, oh definitely, yeah, yep, that's one thing Robin's will
will definitely.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I thought of you the other day. I saw you.
I was at a farm store or whatever I saw
for chicken feed. They have those big bags of the mealworms,
and I know you guys sell that too, and the
black soldier flies. I mean that's becoming a major business.
I was just curious, you know, if you put a
greenhouse in your backyard to start raising black soldier flies
and their larvae.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if your names will like it, but.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Okay, probably not a little bit of a smell there.
Talk about Monica brew Baker wild Bird's Unlimited. Of course,
we want you to plant and landscape for the birds
as well, and there's many ways to do that and
a lot of a couple great but I keep forgetting
to send you that book, A great couple of great
books out there, which I will recommend next week because
I forgot to bring with me today that has a
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great but again, with the wild Birds Unlimited, they're doing
all the other stuff, all the bird feeders and the
waters and all of the right bird feeds. And by
the way, Monica Brew Baker. As we get into the
fall season, this is when everybody and his brother sells
bird seed or bird feed. I say bird yeah, feed,
because you can't plant the seed and grow birds bird feed.
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But everybody's got it. And I could see a fifty
pound bag for two ninety nine and I see a
fifty pound bag for seventy nine ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
What you say, there's a huge difference. Yeah, you know,
there's a lot of fillers and commercial blends. Right they
throw the milow, Is it like a red beab in there,
or it's loaded with the millet that I was talking
about that's only really good for certain birds. So you know,
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our blends have absolutely no fillers and it's all the
seeds your bird is going to eat. There's no waste
in there, so it's not apples to apples. When you
can compare, for sure, you're getting a much better bang
for your buck with us, so you get.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
What you paid for. And of course when you put
it in the feeder and all of a sudden you
hear your bird's going cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
That's how you know. That's how you know, and I know,
but you also know is when all your bird food
ends up on the ground, Yeah, wondering, you know what
the heck? Okay, well that's because they don't. They're not
going to eat it, and it's going to grow pretty
weeds for you. So yeah, yeah, you can feed what
they want and that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And that's one thing I learned from money. A lot
of the many things I've learned from money a brew baker,
is if all your seeds winding up bird feeds going
on the on the down, on the ground, it's because
they don't like what's in there. They're tossing it all
out of the way. H So that doesn't show up. Okay,
Another misconception is out there right now, folks buying thistle
seed for their thistle feeders. But the thistle seed that's
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in there does not sprout and grow. It's not really
thistle seed, but not our native.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, it's not our native. It comes in there's only
two places that comes from India and Ethiopia, and it's
heat treated, you know, when it comes into the United States.
So it's not going to start, you know, the thistle,
the weed, the Yeah. So it is totally different too,
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different species.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
If I if I'm looking at my mix that I'm
buying out there, what do I want to be the
prominent seed that I'm seeing at the top the highest percentage?
Is it the sunflower seed?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Look at the ingredient list. You're right, because they're listing
in in order of quantity of volume. Yeah, sunflower seed definitely.
Or you know, anything that's high fat. I mean, you
know keynuts, you know, even safflower is a relatively high fat,
high protein, Yes, and that's what your birds need. And
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that's what they want watch out for.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
If you don't want to do the bird feeder, an
easy way to do this is the suitcakes and you
can hang those anywhere and when they come with such
a different variety and all different things in the suitcake.
That and this is a great time to be feeding
them as you go through the winter. It's a really
easy way to feed the birds and bring them into
your garden.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
It is it's going to slow down, Sue, is a
definite slow down, like right now, okay, because of everything
out there in nature. But as soon as we're getting cold,
as we move into November, it's going to start picking up.
And then yes, you know it can't be beat for
fat content, and everybody will you know, eat it. It's
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just a matter of them finding it. And you know,
having an effective feeder for suet too. You can hang
them against the trunk of a tree, not dangling out
on a limb. But if you hang them against the
trunk tree.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So that they're nice and stable, yes, so.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The stable and not hanging you and dangling.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So yeah, got it. Monica Brewbaker, always great information, always
great having you on here. The guys here at the
towers don't like it because all the birds are hanging
out right now. Try to listen to you, but they'll
all go away here eventually. One last time.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Your website wbe dot com, slash Westchester Springboro.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Stop en C, Monica Brew, Baker Wildbird's Unlimited. Thank you
so much. We'll talk to you later.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Thank you, come bick.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Break, we come back. Phone lines you're open for you
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Our toll free number eight hundred eight two three eight
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and as I promise, it's time for a bifurcation of segments,
whether it's the weather and in the trees with Ronnie Rothas.
He's the amateur meteorologist weather Predictor Extraordinaire, Registered Consulting arbors I,
(00:24):
State Board Certified Master Arboris. He's got about ten other
plaques on his office wall as well, with all kinds
of certifications. He's a cornacopia filled with copious amounts of
strange and unusual information. His website arbordoctor dot com. Ladies
and gentlemen, ronrothis sit down, sit down, Good morning sir,
(00:51):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
How are you I?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Why was any better? I would be? Ron Rothis?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
You gonna have to work on being better then, Not
because it's I'm not much better than you, but because
you need to have higher I need to have what
you have, higher goals.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We're losing you. You're fading in and out on us
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Anyway, is that any better?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That's better? Thank you. I was going to also say
that you were our professional at Shinrin Yoku.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I have no idea what that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Is professional forest bather because you're always in the trees
and look, you're always happy and upbeat, had a very
positive attitude. And that's because you hang out in the trees.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And there is there's abundant scientific research that shows the
exposure to hanging out in the trees and get your greenery.
And as you were talking out a little bit earlier
in the show, you know, with everything that we've had
happening recently in the country, going out and doing some
gardening or taking a walk in the woods. But you know,
(02:05):
the science is very clear that it is very beneficial
to our mental health.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
No doubt. And you know, idea if and if you
can't you can't think of a park or somewhere to go,
I just say, go to your local gardens so you
don't have to buy anything. Just walk through and enjoy
all the stuff they've got right now, lots of color,
lots of fall color, and the pumpkins and all and
just chill out.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, it's I'll tell you what. There's some beautiful garden
centers around Meamma on the west side of Cincinnati, and uh,
you know white out Gardens is beautiful, beautiful gardens. Oh yeah,
east side of Cincinnati you have beautiful garden centers. Uh
so excuses, but there are alsos. Cincinnati area is just
(02:53):
really blessed to have some beautiful parks both in the city.
I'm sure other you're broadcast in or very really no excuses,
and it's getting like you know, there is in the
ends right now. Yeah, fift degrees right now, lit moll
so you know, get out meet them or walking in
(03:19):
the woods. It's going to be much cooler under the
fees and is out in the open somewhere. Oh yeah,
it's a great way, you know, pay attention to something
else other than you know, some of the natives having.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Going on, no doubt about it. Talking with Ron roethis
this website arbordoctor dot com. Yes, he is fading in
and out, but we'll get that corrected somehow. Uh. Before
we go into the break, first thing I want to
talk about. We just lost him, so we'll pick him
back up again. I don't know what was going to
call him back here. Yeah, we're going to try to
reconnect with him. But when I was talking about the
forest bathing, it's it's known as shinrin yoku, and it
(03:56):
really is true, uh, going out there and and then
moving through, walking through, sitting down, enjoying all the different
aspects that you see. You know, one thing I've always
told and if you've listened our show over the years,
I've always said that even if you're not a hunter,
all right, deer hunting, there's something about deer hunting. Just
do it. Don't deer hunt. You call back immediately because
(04:17):
he is Ron Rothulson, because he is Ron rothis but
don't you don't have to deer hunt, but do like
you would if you were deer hunting, where you go
out at four o'clock in the morning in a complete darkness,
get yourself set up in the woods, you know, wherever
we may be, in a stand or down on the ground,
and just sit there and watch as mother Nature comes
to life and the sun comes up. You will be
(04:38):
I don't know, there's something about that experience that is
absolutely phenomenal. And that's why you see Ron sometimes climb
up in the tree and just hang out at four
in the morning until the sun comes up and then
he goes to work. Yes, is that what I did?
I don't know. I think it's what you do. Hey,
all right, so we got you back, hopefully we got
(04:59):
you connected here. Let's talk. First of all, it would have.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Been much more exciting if I had been out when
I was in the studio with you a couple of
weeks ago. You know, I'm there one minute, gone the next.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That would be interesting. It would be you're still fading
it out a little bit. But let's let's try this.
Get this to the segment. First of all, looking at
the weather we are now, if I'm not mistaken, looking
at the drought monitor for the Midwest, most of the
state of Ohio is in either a slight or moderate drought.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, it's it's kind of scattered, but you know their areas,
they're just normally dry. But I think can for this
is in a moderate drought. Yeah, it's very driver. Hell,
and the weather forecast is not prominent because we have humidities,
high temperatures in the upper eighties or even low nineties
(05:54):
for one or two days. It's it's not a pretty
picture right now.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Fortunately, so as we're looking out there right now, as
far as watering goes. You know, I think we're I
don't know where we are as far as rainfall in
an area, and you can't really look at that because
you just have to look and say, yeah, we are
extremely dry. One of my points earlier on was that,
you know, we've got to stick with this watering, especially
those evergreens.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, and you know, rainfall kind of variable. But my
lash uh you know, Shivy at the west west side
of Cincinnati. Basically I had basically one farm in the
month of August. Total rainfall for the entire month was
one point one point one Total rainfall months of September
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so far zero point sixty nine inches, So I mean
one point eight inches the first of August. That is
maybe a third of what we would get in that
time period. So yes, I mean newly transplanted trees, everythings,
but really just about everything, because Ron, what do we
(07:08):
talk about every year in January, February, March, and it's
you know, becoming uh cercicle. Right now, with Halloween coming
up a month or so, the ghosts of droughts passed,
and right is the time when we're either ghosts of
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droughts passed to show up next spring or prevent that?
And what are the ghosts of droughts passed? Evergreens trees declining,
every problems turning brown, you know, three months after the drought,
five months after the rout drought, six months after the drought.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I can't tell you how many times here I've gotten
calls frien, well, you know, I don't understand why my
evergreens turning brown and March or April or June and
I go up out stress and they said, but it's
pouring down in every day and it's like, yeah, but
it wasn't last fall. So you know right now?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Is that to all that?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And people say things like, well I can't afford the
water bill. Well, you know, if you lose five green
giant arbery, it's gonna cost many hundreds if not, you know,
a few thousand dollars if you have someone pump, I'm
can you afford that?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Last year I think the most of the most it's
a water bill that I had was maybe a couple
of hundred bucks. Well, you can't buy one eight foot
green giant arborviting and have it planted for that, so
you know, it's just it's an investment in the future
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right now. I don't mean getting out there. You're built
through the roof and water every day. It's sensible watering
an inch per week. You know, put the sprinkler out there,
put a little coffee can out, or buy a little
rain gage from the heart story, and and maasure how
much water you're putting out so you're not overdoing it
(09:17):
with the watering. You don't want you to be out there,
you know, watering every day in areas of Cincinnati. It
maybe areas I know you're you're nationwide the areas they
have sandy soil. Some of those areas do more frequent water.
But in the area, you know, it's it's one an
(09:38):
if the hem and watering, but you know, put the
sprinkler out and then don't water that area again for
a week or ten days or whatever. But when you
do water, make sure you're putting that inch down at least.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yep, Ryan, we're losing you big time. Let's let's take
a break when we come back. I got questions about
Ron as far as what happen of trees are planted
too deep, So we're gonna jump back into tree care.
But again, the big, the main you know thing here
right now is as I mentioned earlier in the show,
water is very very important, and the his saying about
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the ghosts of the droughts past is true. And if
it cost you another one hundred bucks a month to
water extra to protect all those plants, it's worth the
one hundred dollars because it'll cost you a heck a
lot more than that to replace those plants down the roade,
plus the time involved to get them to grow. Eight
hundred a two three eight two five five. That's our
number here in the garden with Ron Wilson talking to
(10:35):
you yarding at eight hundred eight two three eight two
five five this morning, our of course, our hobby meteorogist,
and I say certified arburst and the all kinds of
other things that he has plaques on his wall for.
I mean, he knows his stuff. Website arbordoctor dot com.
Ronrothis so hopefully we're not gonna get your fading in
and out here. We got you connected to try it again.
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But so you know, one of the things you and
I kind of and you especially but working on trying
to really bring around around the awareness about show me
that root flair planting trees properly, and of course fall
being a great time for planting, and so a lot
of trees are going to get planted this fall. But
do you go out and I do occasionally and find
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these trees that are struggling or not doing so well,
and you clear things away and you find out they're two, three,
four or five six inches too deep into the ground.
So when that happens and they've been growing for a
couple of years, can you save trees that are planted
too deep?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You can? It depends sometimes on how long it's been
like that. People will call me out to look at mature,
older trees and sometimes it's basically past the point you
can do anything. The younger the tree is, the more
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success you're going to have. When I say younger, I
mean it can be, you know, several years after it
was planned, you know, a number of years and still
be fine. But having soil up over the root flare
no matter how old the tree is. And I've uncovered
root flares on trees that you know, that were decades old,
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and it really really helps. But you know, the deep planning,
the veried root flare is a big problem. And what
will happen with some trees, and probably the worst is
red maple. Is when they are too deep, they'll form
a secondary root system up above the main root flare,
and some of those roots will, you know, grow around
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the trunk of the tree, and as the trunk of
the tree grows, will start to girdle the trunk of
the tree. And it's that girdling process and whatnot that
makes some of that correction very difficult to impossible over time,
so you really want to catch it before that happens.
The other thing that happens is roots start growing upwards
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from the buried root flare, so over time that that
root system comes back up to the surface, and if
you try to dig down and uncover the root flair,
you end up running into the main root system. It's
coming upwards, so all you can really achieve is a
little bit of a dish around the base of the tree.
So ideally you want to correct that when you plant
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the tree. And you know, just a major caution to
your listeners. I run into it on almost every landscape
where trees, root systems are buried when planted by professional landscapers,
So please don't assume because your tree was professionally planted
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that was planted at the right depth.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
In fact, I would.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Assume that it very well wasn't unless you go out
and actually find that the rude flare is visible, because
it's very often it is not. You know, pictures worth
a thousand words. Knowing what we're going to talk about
this morning, I went to my blog site, which if
listeners go to arbordoctor dot com and you'll see blog.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
At the top.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I put two posts on there. One is the tree
planting guide that the Ohio Chapter ISA developed last year
and I was on that committee, which shows how a
tree should be planted. And then the other post that
I put on this morning was fixing deep planting and
buried rood flares and actually has videos on there showing
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how that rude flare depth correction can actually be done.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
If a tree, a younger tree, let's say it's been
planning for two or three years and it winds up
being six inches below the ground, is that a situation
where you would really suggest coming in and maybe digging
the tree back up and replanting it. I mean, that's
a lot of excavation to get sort off the top
of the that root flare, and then what do you do.
Now your tree is planted in a depression.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, I hate to say it depends, but it depends. Okay,
if the if the tree is truly you know, six
inches deep in a flat area, and you're going to
have a serious depression at some point, I would say, yeah,
you might have to dig the tree up and replant it.
(15:30):
I really try to avoid that because you know, when
the tree has been in for a while, it's it's
you know, it's root system has taken hold, it's more
new roots. When you dig up the tree, you cut
a lot of those roots, and you're really starting over
with that tree. You know, you're you're kind of replanting it.
So it's so it's very hard on the tree. And
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if you have a depression around the tree, you know,
people say, isn't water going to collect around there? Well, yeah,
it made temporarily in a heavy rainstorm. But if your
soil is you know, well drained, you're just normally well drained,
it'll percolate into the into the soil and disperse within
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you know, an hour or so. So it's not a
problem really to have a depression around the tree. But
like I said, obviously, if it's if it's too deep
and six inches it might be might be getting there.
You kind of have to do it eventually.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Go to his website arbordoctor dot com. He has posted
some things videos and pictures there for you to see
what you should be looking for. And again, if you're
not sure, call out your certified arborst have them take
a look at the tree as well. Ron Roth, It's
always a pleasure. Arbordoctor dot com. Take care. Welcome back
here in the garden with Ron Wilson. It's time to
get attle update with our wild birds. And you know
(16:53):
who we're gonna talk to. She knows more about wild
birds and wildbirds know about wild birds. A matter of fact,
if you're having a party at your house, invite her
over and she'll go outside, stand on your patio, put
her arms out to her sides. She'll look on a
Saint Francis statue and the birds land all over her,
on her shoulders, her head, and you know what, they
don't poop on her. They just enjoy having her there.
(17:13):
She is the She is like the grand Poopa of
all of the birds from wild Birds Unlimited, our wild
wing wonder. Monica Brubaker, the Morning thank you. All those birds,
all those birds lined up on the ledges this morning
looking in the windows. Yeah, she's got to be on there.
(17:36):
Oh yeah, pecking on the windows. Monica Brubaker.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
How are you good to see you, to talk to you. Yes,
I'm very good. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You can imagine that you're seeing me. I imagine when
I'm talking to people, I see you.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So yeah, there you.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Go, all right, right off the back website for everybody.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
WBU dot com, slash Westchester or Springbar.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
There you go, and lots of great information on there
for you as well. You guys still doing classes and
things like that.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, we're doing Yeah, walks and talks we've got coming up.
Let's see, Raptors Inc. Is going to be visiting us
on October twelfth. Oh cool with yeah, with some owls.
So they're going to be talking about owls.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Look at look on the website and there's a link
that shows all of our walks and talks. We updated
regularly and there will be things, you know, throughout the year.
Sure we don't just do it in the summer. We
you know, continue to have things available throughout so yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Excellent, All right, let's take a look at our wild
Birds out there. I don't know how often you get
a chance to listen to our show because you're always
traveling learning more about birds around the country. But had
an eagle in our backyard about a month, month and
a half. Yeah, it was the greatest thing.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Ever, just hanging out.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
No, well it it was until a big a murder
of crows I guess that's what they're called. Oh yeah,
took off after it and chased it over to the fields.
We get him every now and then in our nursery.
We'll see him by the lakes, up in the trees.
But this came out. It was a younger one. This
one came out from the woods right behind our house.
And I had just gotten home, swept down across the
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lawn and I was like, what's like an airplane? And
I was like, what the heck is? Oh my gosh,
And I went outside and went back up on the top.
And then when trotted over our house, I went out
the front door. Of course, I don't have my cell
phone with me, right and I'm looking and I don't
see it. I look back and it's sitting on top
of our roof, on this bricked divider and he's sitting
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really still, and I put my hand up because the
sun was out to look at him. And then he
took off again and flew and then went back to
the woods. And then all of a sudden, I hear
all these crows going nuts, and I look out and
I can see them on his tail as he's flying
back across his field, headed like southeast or so. It
was absolutely unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yes, you love it when that happens.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh. Yeah, they were all over it. I mean, and
they were on him too. They didn't mess around, but
that thing was so big. It was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I never see orioles in my yard, but I get
an eagle, I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I had goosebumps, I'm telling you, and I still get goosebumps.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Tell the story.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So we've gone through Uh, we're in a bit of
a drought right now in our area. It's been it's
been hot u we cooled down, which has been nice
over the last couple of weeks, but very very dry.
How is this affecting both our birds that hang out
all the year, and then of course the migratory birds
are now starting to move through. I'm assuming.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
They are. Yes, they are the there's lots of warblers
coming through right now. You know, if you've got a
bird bath, you've probably noticed that. You know, the activity
there has definitely picked up. I mean because they are
searching for the water. But you know it affects of course,
you know with leaves dropping and berries. You know, there's
(21:21):
a lot of natural food out right now and it
may be dropping early, but there's lots out there for them.
So your feeders may actually slow down. But depending on
what you know, you're migrating birds are coming through, it
might be very busy at any given time, so so
(21:42):
keep them going.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
So you know, right now we start to see an
increase in monarch butterflies in our area as they're starting
to yeah, migrate south. A lot of folks that haven't
seen them, like all of a sudden, you're here, so
you know, everybody scrambling to get milkweed out and things
like that to help them along. So as we're looking
at migratory birds and they're a very very important part
(22:03):
in course, they're they're they're you know, the losses of
birds have been phenomenal, just like pollinators. They're on this
journey as well. Should our seed mixes and our feeders
change a little bit right now to kind of compensate
for all the different types of birds that are moving through,
or or should we do anything specific, or just yeah,
stick with what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think that adding millet to your mix right now,
a light a light blend, you know, with a light
a little bit of millet isn't a bad idea. Throughout
the fall, we've got ground feeders that are coming in.
We'll have more ground feeders during the fall in the
winter than any other time of year. So you know,
(22:45):
you can watch for junk goes and white crowned, white
throated sparrows and they will eat off the ground. So
but don't you know the millet has to be somewhat
controlled in our area because it does attract our non
native sparrows that can be very aggressive. So just a
(23:06):
light mix of millet is good, you know, and even
putting out a ground feeder is a good idea.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Now when for somebody that's not familiar, what is a
ground feeder?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, you know, we've got feeders that actually do sit
on the ground because some birds don't like to go.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Up to.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Go up to feeders and they stay on the ground
for it, So then it becomes open to of course
our friends squirrels, raccoons. But the beauty of what we
have at wild Birds Unlimited is we have a seed
that is hot pepper seed. It's got hot pepper, and
mammals like you and I, squirrels, raccoons taste hot pepper
(23:47):
that birds do not. So you can, you know, put
your feeders with hot pepper and and it'll be just
for your birds. That was a great option.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Is that a that's available? I know you sell wild
Birds Unlimited, you sell see that's pre coded with with
that cap station. But can you buy that and do
it yourself too?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Well? The thing is is that what we have is
extremely hot.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
You know, there's.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Different levels right of ron, so what you would use
number one is probably not. I mean, you know you
don't want it to be airborne to get in your
eyes or anything else. So yeah, sure you can and
you can try it, but you know you're going to
be better off just buying it and already mixed and
no problems with it being airborne.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
You know, that's been that's been around now for seems
very consistent for several years as far as being a
good repellent for the mammals, the raccoons, and the squirrels.
I mean, I think that's become pretty much the go
to now right for for keeping the keeping the squirrels out.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, I mean, it definitely is. And I know a
lot of people get concerned about, you know, the feeding
of hot pepper, but wild birds, you know, that's what
we do. We make sure we guarantee it's going to
be safe for your birds. It's you know, not going
to harm them or your squirrels and raccoons. They may
(25:19):
taste it, okay, you know, they may try it, but
it's certainly not going to harm them. So yeah, it
is a viable option. There's other ways, well, we can
keep the squirrels and raccoons off.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You caught that there are other ways. Let's take a break.
We got more with Monica brew Baker's she here is
our wild winged wonder from wild Birds Unlimited. We'll find
out what some of those other options are and what
we should be doing for our birds as we start
to cruise into the fall season. Here in the Garden
with Ron Wilson. Welcome back here in the Garden with
Ron Wilson. We're talking bird with our wild Winged Wonder
(25:53):
from wild Birds Unlimited Monica brew Baker. And you know
one of the things that I know you I bet
you guys get asked this every day at least once
in your outlets, what do I do about the squirrels?
And I know they drive just dry people nuts, they do.
And right now we grow those little mini decorative pumpkins
and they're into those big time. They have just destroyed,
(26:16):
which tells me twofold. I was trying to explain to
my wife. One is it's really dry out and they're
looking for moisture. So if they find that moisture, they're
in and maybe that's going to be a tough winter.
Who knows. Maybe that's a little Mother nature predictor there.
They're jumping into those already. But birds are the same way.
So you've got to, as you said earlier, keep that
water going so important. Bird feeders may not be on
(26:39):
there quite as much right now because the supply naturally
is good, but you still want to keep the bird
feeder going.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Don't see that.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You go ahead, no, right now, it's a good time,
you know, to like reevaluate your whole setup there out there.
You know, have you got everything set up as you
want it. We've got great pole systems you know that
allow you to hang your feeders in multiple different ways.
You know, clean your feeders, bring your feeders in, get
(27:11):
them a good wash, you know, put them back out.
We're having a feeder swap coming up mid October where
you bring your old feeders in and we're going to
give you twenty percent off on a new feeder.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Cool so you know, kind of evaluate what's going on
and again get working my way towards the squirrel issue.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
As far as squirrel proof bird feeders right and ways,
there are ways to get around them, there.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Are, and you know, so much of it has to
do with placement. I mean, we do have squirrel proof
feeders themselves that work.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
They really do work.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But in terms of hanging a feeder out and keeping
a squirrel off of that, you know, it's a matter
of placement and then you know the use of baffles
so that they can't climb up to get to your feeders.
But it can be done. Everybody says, now it can.
I've tried everything. Well, you know, come on in, We're
going to talk to you and you know, help you
(28:14):
out because it can be without the use of you know,
hot pepper.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, it can be done, says Monica brew Baker, and
she is our wild wing wonder And if anybody knows
that it can be done, it would be Monica brew
Baker talking about the birds. So Wildbird's Unlimited, of course,
and they do such a great job.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Again, your website is WBU dot com slash Westchester or Springboro.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Got a couple of locations for you to check out there.
Of course, wild Birds Unlimited for folks that aren't listening,
are from the Cincinnati area. They're all around.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
They are the what three hundred and eighty store franchise.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Wow, that's all.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, I've been around since nineteen eighty two. So and
Jim Carpenter started it. He's still involved.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
The great you know, the whole the whole company is
just uh, you know, we want to bring nature to you.
And you know we're not a high cell we don't
try to push product on you. We're really concerned about
your needs. What do you need, what do you want?
And you know we'll figure out the best solutions for it. So, yeah,
(29:19):
you haven't been in stop in and of course.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Uh, the the good thing about jim As you came
up with the bark butter butts bites butter butter. Yes, yeah,
you got it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yes, yes, that name is being used synonymously now with
you know, any spread that goes on trees, even though
it is trademark. But yeah, bark butter is has more
species a more a higher species count than any other
single bird food out there. We have it in many forms.
We have it in the spreadable form. We also have
(29:52):
it in nugget form, we have it in suet form.
It's in every form. But yeah, birth love it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And if you're one of feed your robins, you can
get the bites and sprinklows around and they love to
eating that.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yes, oh definitely, yeah, yep, that's one thing Robin's will
will definitely.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I thought of you the other day. I saw you.
I was at a farm store or whatever I saw
for chicken feed. They have those big bags of the mealworms,
and I know you guys sell that too, and the
black soldier flies. I mean that's becoming a major business.
I was just curious, you know, if you put a
greenhouse in your backyard to start raising black soldier flies
and their larvae.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if your names will like it, but.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Okay, probably not a little bit of a smell there.
Talk about Monica brew Baker wild Bird's Unlimited. Of course,
we want you to plant and landscape for the birds
as well, and there's many ways to do that and
a lot of a couple great but I keep forgetting
to send you that book, A great couple of great
books out there, which I will recommend next week because
I forgot to bring with me today that has a
(31:00):
great but again, with the wild Birds Unlimited, they're doing
all the other stuff, all the bird feeders and the
waters and all of the right bird feeds. And by
the way, Monica Brew Baker. As we get into the
fall season, this is when everybody and his brother sells
bird seed or bird feed. I say bird yeah, feed,
because you can't plant the seed and grow birds bird feed.
(31:22):
But everybody's got it. And I could see a fifty
pound bag for two ninety nine and I see a
fifty pound bag for seventy nine ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
What you say, there's a huge difference. Yeah, you know,
there's a lot of fillers and commercial blends. Right they
throw the milow, Is it like a red beab in there,
or it's loaded with the millet that I was talking
about that's only really good for certain birds. So you know,
(31:53):
our blends have absolutely no fillers and it's all the
seeds your bird is going to eat. There's no waste
in there, so it's not apples to apples. When you
can compare, for sure, you're getting a much better bang
for your buck with us, so you get.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
What you paid for. And of course when you put
it in the feeder and all of a sudden you
hear your bird's going cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
That's how you know. That's how you know, and I know,
but you also know is when all your bird food
ends up on the ground, Yeah, wondering, you know what
the heck? Okay, well that's because they don't. They're not
going to eat it, and it's going to grow pretty
weeds for you. So yeah, yeah, you can feed what
they want and that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And that's one thing I learned from money. A lot
of the many things I've learned from money a brew baker,
is if all your seeds winding up bird feeds going
on the on the down, on the ground, it's because
they don't like what's in there. They're tossing it all
out of the way. H So that doesn't show up. Okay,
Another misconception is out there right now, folks buying thistle
seed for their thistle feeders. But the thistle seed that's
(32:57):
in there does not sprout and grow. It's not really
thistle seed, but not our native.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, it's not our native. It comes in there's only
two places that comes from India and Ethiopia, and it's
heat treated, you know, when it comes into the United States.
So it's not going to start, you know, the thistle,
the weed, the Yeah. So it is totally different too,
(33:28):
different species.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
If I if I'm looking at my mix that I'm
buying out there, what do I want to be the
prominent seed that I'm seeing at the top the highest percentage?
Is it the sunflower seed?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Look at the ingredient list. You're right, because they're listing
in in order of quantity of volume. Yeah, sunflower seed definitely.
Or you know, anything that's high fat. I mean, you
know keynuts, you know, even safflower is a relatively high fat,
high protein, Yes, and that's what your birds need. And
(34:03):
that's what they want watch out for.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
If you don't want to do the bird feeder, an
easy way to do this is the suitcakes and you
can hang those anywhere and when they come with such
a different variety and all different things in the suitcake.
That and this is a great time to be feeding
them as you go through the winter. It's a really
easy way to feed the birds and bring them into
your garden.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
It is it's going to slow down, Sue, is a
definite slow down, like right now, okay, because of everything
out there in nature. But as soon as we're getting cold,
as we move into November, it's going to start picking up.
And then yes, you know it can't be beat for
fat content, and everybody will you know, eat it. It's
(34:47):
just a matter of them finding it. And you know,
having an effective feeder for suet too. You can hang
them against the trunk of a tree, not dangling out
on a limb. But if you hang them against the
trunk tree.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So that they're nice and stable, yes, so.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The stable and not hanging you and dangling.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So yeah, got it. Monica Brewbaker, always great information, always
great having you on here. The guys here at the
towers don't like it because all the birds are hanging
out right now. Try to listen to you, but they'll
all go away here eventually. One last time.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Your website wbe dot com, slash Westchester Springboro.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Stop en C, Monica Brew, Baker Wildbird's Unlimited. Thank you
so much. We'll talk to you later.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Thank you, come bick.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Break, we come back. Phone lines you're open for you
at eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
Don't forget our website, Ron Wilson online dot com. See
Rita Hikingfel Service beer there at october Fest. Pretty cool picture, uh,
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