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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, yeah, as soon as Halloween hits, just rolls blank
and it's ready next year.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I had several responses when you and I kind of
went off on the Halloween decorating early, had several people
emails that kind just tries me insane. See why people
do that so early? I agree? I agree, people were
with us saw that one.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So yeah, we're heading into October. Yeah, and this is
my last one in September because I'm on vacation next week,
so I won't be here, so I won't be here
to bother everybody. Ye got a swim beaching the party,
and I am definitely going toe of relaxing. Do they
(00:45):
have hammocks where you're going beached? I'm sure there's beach chairs,
and I'm sure there's chairs by the pool.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
My problem with beach chairs I can't get out of them.
I'm not supposed to. We're supposed to stay there. Yeah,
but you know you got to get up and get
a drink or something.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Snap your fingers, move the umbrella. Oh you're going to
that kind of place. Well never mind, No, I'm not
really going on that, but I but yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Snap your fingers, pool boy, it would be I had
never done that before, never done the only inclusive things.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, the cool part about the place for going is
that there's a that they have. They have h they
have multiple pools at the resort, but they have at
the main part of the resort there's two pools and
one of them is for kids and one for adults. Nice,
and the one for kids has got all the slides
and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And that's where you hang out and that's what No,
I want the slides and all that this stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'll be in the adult pool that has the bar
and swim up bar, right, has a swim up bar,
chairs in the water, stools in the water. Yeah, you
the man. Hey, I'm gonna do it. You gonna do it, right,
you de man? So, yeah, a week in week in Florida.
So what time? What time do we usually start these
swimming sessions in the morning? Swimming sessions in the morning
(02:11):
at the swim up bar. I don't know, you know what.
It just depends on what I'm feeling. You know, I'm
on vacation, so I really don't care what time it starts.
I don't care if it's nine, ten eleven, Yep. It
is what it is. It is what it is, so yeah,
it's a lot of it's good. Good, a lot of
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a lot of just relaxing because I didn't really need
I haven't had much relaxing this year. Good. We're not
good for that, but good to get able to do this.
So anyway, what's going on in the in the yard?
Have you been watering? If you haven't been, you're in trouble.
Your evergreens are in trouble, Your lawn's in trouble. But
you know, we're always optimistic. And if you look at
(02:53):
the weather forecast, starting Monday, things cool back down. We're
back into the seventies, fifties and six season at night,
and there is a big blue rain drop every day
next week there's a chance of showers. Not they're not
talking monsoons, but there's a chance of rainfall every day.
So you know, I'm look I look at that and
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say that's pretty good. Ron Roth has even even semi
agreed with it. So this'd be a great weekend to
get out and get ahead of it and get things
really watered in, well, get your stuff planted, you know,
do whatever you need to do, and then let mother
nature come through next week and help you continue to
water it in.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So it looks good. It looks like the weather is
going to switch back around for us, so we will
take it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Of course. And at least I haven't had the boat,
or at least the girls haven't had the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Not a lot of people have been more in the
last three weeks or so. Absolutely Notleu. You have an
irrigated lawn. I definitely don't have that, But don't you
wish you did? Let me think about it, and I
think more people should think about this. I mean, we're
seeing this more irrigated lawn. I'd rather have have a
self mowing lawn.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's get about three goats.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You work on that's fenced in already. We gotta do
the front two Well, well the front's not that hard.
Oh okay, then you bring in the three goats. Yeah,
the dogs would love playing with the they would you'd
have those in your backyard, eh, and.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
The knowing me and I'd have the goats that freak
out and they fainting ghasts. Faint goats. Yeah, I don't think.
I don't think my my neighborhood is zoned for goats
or probably animals. Probably not. But if you can work
on that sure he's self mowing lawn. That would be great.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You do the load and the low mo. I don't
think there's such a thing as a no mo, but
a lom well three times a year, twice a year.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well okay, and I am thinking about getting new mo
mower for next year. Nice, bigger one, nice like one
of those ones that the landscapers use that you were
kind stand on.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
The back, right around the back on the little slide
your skid thing, and yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Just what you need because out of everything.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, you hate the lawn, knowing you for twenty four years,
and it's been you've been that way since you first
got open.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I hate pulling weeds. Do you do that when
you were a kid? What my lawn? Yeah? No, I
did it when dad let.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Me, when he let you. So you did want to
it one time?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I did. I wanted to because I've made extra money
that way. But but they were always afraid that I
was gonna you know, oh we're using this big machine,
you're going to get your foot something like Okay, fine,
My parents.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Had me on that Bowling's lawn more sure, eight years old,
probably earlier.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So uh, who do you have today? On the show.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Are you Gary, Slim Buggy, Joe Boggs, Danny Gleeson always
throughout the show. We limit it to one today so
we can take a lot of calls. Got a lot
of tips to share as well. Our good friend here,
Kevin O'Dell from Odell Landscaping, And Kevin's always chiming in
on our show. He's a true plantsman. He and Steve
Fulter at that category. It's just you know, way up
(06:19):
there when it comes to plants, and he's always chiming
on the show. But he's also a hunter. And there's
a problem going around with deer right now in many states,
including Ohio, and I guess it's becoming more and more
prominent in our area. And he would like folks to
know more about it. In case you see this happening
to the deer in your yards, what to do about it?
(06:41):
Learn more about this disease. It doesn't affect us, but
talk about that. And then the second segment we're going
to talk about Okay, so he's such a good landscaper
and how do you protect those nice landscapes that you
put in from deer damage? So he's going to share
a few tips with that as well. Very cool, so
fun talking to Kevin for half an hour.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
The website is Ron Wilson online dot com, along with
the Facebook page in the Garden with Ron Wilson and.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Tip sheets Galore. I also brought back who came through
with for you this week, which I said he would
buggy Joe, Buggy Joe with all the kissing bug Yeah,
and I've moved that back to the top because the
kissing bug things is going on. Oh the other thing
this week on a sidebar here, all these people are
(07:27):
now posting stuff because the the lantern fly is. People
are starting to see lantern flies in their yard and
they're acting like this is like, oh, look look at
this pretty colorful bug. It's the most colorful insect there,
I think, and I'm looking at these videos. It's just like,
smash the damn thing. Kill it. It hits an aphit
(07:48):
on steroids. And then you know, someone's like, oh, look
look how fastest things fly and she hit it with
a stick and I think this.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, that's like they got a spring underneath them. They
go straight up.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, good job now you now, And I had no
chance of killing this thing.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You know, what's funny is and we've been talking about
spotted lantern fly for a long time and it was
coming here. Then there's nothing to stop it. You can
control it, you can spray it, keep it under control it,
but you got to watch for it and all that stuff.
And they love grapes. Grape growers are not happy about that,
but nevertheless, non native invasive pass. But it's very colorful,
all the stages of us outstanding. We saw it up
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in Cleveland. We were up there two days, last two days, Wednesday, thursdays,
three days, all right, whatever. Anyway, they've had it for
a long time. Now we're finally getting here. But only
the west side of Cincinnati has it where it's a
lot and hasn't really shown up as much. On the
east or northern part of Cincinnati. We're seeing a few
(08:49):
here and there, but not like on the west side
where the box tree moth is more on the east side,
and I haven't seen any so far on the west side.
So they'll all cross pasth it's.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Sound like a thing. Yeah, yeah, that's at the spot
of the area in the west side. We got them things,
all the things on the east side, and they like
come in and they come like the jets and the sharks. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But that spotted lanternfly. You just touch that thing and
it springs straight up in here. You're like, oh wow, yeah, yeah,
kill that thing.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So yeah, it's ah. When they get in mass numbers,
they can. They don't kill trees, but they can sure
weaken them. Yeah, and turn them black because of the honeydew,
the poop. M Uh have you seen them yet here
your ard?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Not in my yard. I haven't seen any Uh. The
fall checklist is posted, print it up, good, mark it off. Good.
Rita is making moonshine. And I'm saving this recipe because
I think I'm gonna do someone I get back from
vacation the additional purposes only. Sure, we'll go with that.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's it's it's apple flavored, right, yep. Yeah, So I'll
have to send that rescue to doctor Armitage.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Because we we'll need it for them from when we
get sick this.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, and so you take it sip of that. You've
got the warm apple and the warmness of the other
stuff alcohol. Yes, and that just makes you feel better,
of course.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes. And the plant of the week is the baldpress.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Bald cypress it's time to plant trees. It's fall. It's
plant trees. That's one that everybody you know, you see them.
You're gonna see a lot of them next week, yep,
down in Florida. But then it's like you know, believe
or not, they grow just about anywhere and everywhere, very
tough and hardy and street tree, lawn tree. It's a
big tree. Although there's some newer varieties that stay narrow,
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but bald cypress is a great choice for that evergreen look.
But do remember they drop those needles in the fall
and then they come back out in the springtime. It's amazing.
People don't realize that. And don redwood, which is I'll
give you the hint, that's our next week. What but
they dropped their needles in the fall, and I get
these calls. We planted this in the june, and all
(10:56):
of a sudden, all the leaves are turning the bright
red and they're starting to fall off the tree. Whatever
we do wrong, you did everything right. That's what it's
supposed to hear.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So there you go, all right, Well, I will catch
you in Joe's on the flip side in two weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Good, have a great time. I know you will find
that hammock, that beach chair, and that pool boy. Yeah figures,
and the little in the barstool in the middle of
the brook with the umbrella in it. You don't do that,
I might might, Okay, fine, apple, little coconut yep, maybe
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some apple, maybe some moonshine. Yeah, Freda would bring somebody
for us to take have fun. You I know you will,
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(11:53):
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(12:14):
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and then we'll see eight hundred a two three eight
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two five five here in the garden with Ron Wilson,
Chess tracker and the dou Rango kid. Welcome back here
in the guarden with Ron Wilson again that toll free
number eight hundred eight two three eight two five five. Uh,
got about two minutes to go, so let's go right
to South Carolina. Harry, Good morning.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Morning Ron. How are you, Harry. I'm doing great in yourself.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Let's get to it. Japanese beetles they come out in June.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yes on June bug.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
That's correct. Well, there are there are I've been doing
for me, and they attack my maple tree in the
front yards. Three year old tree. Do some damage here.
He looks ugly.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Wife wants to.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Cut it down and put a palm tree in there.
I don't want to. I want to save the tree.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I've been people that tell me I can put something
in the yard in September to get rid of the larva.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, actually, the best time is in the spring, and
it's it's a grub. Yeah, it's called a grub preventor,
and and and uh that there's grub X and then
there's grubs stop, so make sure you know which one
you're getting. There are grub killers and they are a
grub preventter. So when you go to the local garden center,
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say I'm looking for a grub preventor, and typically that's
applied usually anytime May early June. All right, Now, what
happens is the beetles that are the grubs that are
already in the soil. They're there. They're gonna hatch out
in the next year, and they're gonna be adults and
they're gonna, you know, come out and do their thing.
But what you're doing putting it down next spring is
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stopping the ones from the future on from that point forward.
So you're still gonna get some beetles, all right, but
but you're you're working for twenty twenty seven. Now, what
you're talking about is actually June or May beetles, which
are kind of just a copper brown and Japanese beetles
have more of an there go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, these are more decorative. They look like Japanese
beetles the pictures I've been seeing online.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, then it could be. But either one will feed
on the folies. But yeah, that's that is the best shot.
Keep listening to the show. We come back from the break,
I will continue talking about grub control and beetle control
and help you out as much as I can. Appreciate
the call, appreciate you listening to our show. Eight hundred
eight two three eight two five five. That's our number
here in the garden. Ron Wilson talking to the yardening
(15:03):
at eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I am Ron Wilson, your personal yard boy, talking there
before we went into the break. Lexington and South Carolina,
a beautiful little town by the way. About grub control
and Japanese beetles. There are many different types of beetles
and many different types of grubs. The grubs, obviously, are
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where the beetles come from in the soil. Then they
hatch out in the springtime and then continue to fly
around devour some of your leaves and the flowers, and
then make lay the eggs back into the turf, and
then you know the season's over. And if you look
at a chart right now, and typically most of them
come out and there's all, like I said, all different kinds.
I think Jesus State of Ohio. I've got so many
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different types. But that's the way they all pretty much.
The life cycle is for all of them, and most
of them start to come out sometime in mayish through June,
even into July. And we've had Japanese beetles here in
July with no problem. But June bugs may may beetles,
June beetles, Asian beetles, Japanese beetles, got a whole bunch
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of them.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
The goal is to yes, go after the grubs, but
typically we only go after the grubs if we have
serious turf problems because they do feed on debris and
the turf root systems in the soil, and when you
start to have turf problems, that's typically when we go
in and treat for grubs for grub control. Now, if
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you have really high populations of beetles flying into because
they can fly into your yard, there's a good chance
there's going to be some grubs in your yard as well.
So when do you treat, Remember that they lay eggs
in the summer, those eggs go through several phases. By fall,
they're a very small grub. There's still feeding in September,
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it's all weather pending September, early October, still feeding a
little bit. They're small, and then as the temperatures get cooler,
they drop down into the soil for overwintering. Right they
overwinter deep in the soil, and in the springtime when
it starts to warm up, they start to move back
up to the top. They're fat and sassy at that point.
Not a lot of feeding. Typically rarely any damage in
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the springtime because the lawn is so actively growing. And
then they hatch out become adults, whatever their time period
happens to be. So grub control is two things. One
is the preventer is typically the best, and that's applied
sometime in our area typically mid to late May, June, July,
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even into early August. Get it in, you got to
water it in. Well, that's a key, and once that
gets in there, then that helps to prevent them from growing.
So you catch them, you nip it in the bud.
So Barney would say, you nip it in the bud
right there. So they lay those eggs.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Done.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Deal and that lasts typically about ninety days, so it
carries you. If you put it first to June, you
at June, July, and August, right, So keep that in
mind as well, so you know, that's why sometimes we'll
back off till about the first or mid June to
make sure it carries into the later part of the summer.
If by chance, you have had a lot of beetle
problems and you had grub problems, and grub problems starting
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can show up on your lawn in September from those
grubs feeding already, you can go in in September and
even early October again depending on the weather, and use
a grub killer, and that would be a product that
you would apply that again you got a water down
well that kills the grubs that are there right then
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or within about a two week period. Now some of
them say at twenty four hour or a grub control. Yeah,
someone can work that quickly, but over a two week
period or so. So you could go after them if
you know you have them in September in early October
by applying that, getting it watered in and actually killing
the grubs while they're still at the top of the
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surface feeding on those roots all right. Otherwise you can
wait until we get back into the spring season and
then apply that. Like I said, in our area, it's
typically June July, even early August sometime in there for
the preventer which takes care of those young eggs as
they're laying their eggs throughout the summer season and into
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into early September. But June, July and August is when
we typically apply that. So you got two ways to
go after it. And that doesn't stop all of them.
They fly distances to come in and feed, so you'll
still get that. But that will obviously reduce the populations
in your turf, cut down on any turf issues that
you're having, and should help to reduce some of the
populations that are flying out there as well. I do
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not recommend using Japanese beetle traps. Japanese beetle traps attract
and as research has been done, I don't know why.
Sometimes I don't know why garden centers still sell Japanese
beetle traps. Research has been done. In many cases, you
draw more Japanese beetles to that trap and you can't
catch them all because it fills up so quickly then
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you would have gotten had you not put the trap
out there. And the pheromone or hormones that are pheromones
that are in that trap though tractive beetles to your yard.
If anything, you would buy beetle traps and put them
in your neighbor's yard so they go to your neighbor's yard.
But you really don't want to use those unless you
can get them way away from your house and maybe
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try to attract the beetles further away from your home.
That's a possibility. But again and for around the landscape,
I have found you know, you can cover plants up
with cheese cloth or whatever for two or three weeks
during the heavy feeding time. I've also found it getting
up in the morning or in the evening and hosing
off plants that have the beetles feeding on them causes
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them to fly away go somewhere else. And amazing how
you can minimize damages there actually spraying with insecticide. You
could spray every day and not keep them under control.
So no, we don't really recommend a lot of insecticidal sprays.
But again, the grub control grub killers in the summer
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or late summer, like September eish October, and then the
grub preventers usually late May, but June, July and early August.
And that's the way you take a look at those
and good luck with it. To glenn Dale we go.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
David, Good morning, morning Ron. How are you. I'm good
house with the lawn seating.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Hey, I well, I'm about ready to go. Okay, called
you up a few weeks ago and you told me
to buy some turf type tall rescue blamed right now.
I've gone out and looked a round for it. I
went down ready and seed and seed. I went into
minors and I can't find it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Where can I find reading? Seed doesn't have turf type
tall rescue.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Well, I'm gonna look again because I was there.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, they used it. I'm pretty sure that they usually
handle something. Just tell them you're looking for turf type
tall rescue. That's what you're looking for. And I sometimes
they'll sell it as a single like just like fine
lawn tall rescue. Most of the time it's sold in
a blend, and I like the blends better than the
single stand. But just tell them turf type tall rescue,
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that's the grass seed you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
If they don't have it.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
You know, look at something that White Oaks got it,
Ny Turfs has it, Sharon Nursery. I mean, most of
the garden centers I know have the turf type tall
rescues because it's becoming one of the most popular grasses
used in our area.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Regardless, grass will go, will grow straight up and down right.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, it's a yeah, it's a great turf. And again
they call it turf type because it's like a second
cousin the Kentucky fescue which you see along the Expressway.
But it's a desirable uh with as far as the blades,
the height that it gets, et cetera, et cetera. So
it's a good, excellent grass for turf.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Okay, now I'm probably gonna do it this week. How
long can I go? Can I Can I plant the
seed in October or November?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Once you get we try to get it in September.
And the way it's looking right now, we've been dry,
so folks have been holding off a little bit. Looks
like good rainfall next week. So I'm looking to jump
in there this weekend and get some things done anticipating
some rainfall next week. Getting moisture back in the ground.
It's nice to get that up and growing. So the
sooner you can get that seated, the quicker is going
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to come up. Last year, it stayed warm so late
that you know a lot of folks that's seated in
mid to late October, still got the grass to come
up and looking pretty good. But you want to get
it in as soon as you can to give it
a chance to get up, start to root in, growing,
et cetera, et cetera. So by the time we get
to the first of December, it's looking pretty darn good.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
At that point.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Once we get to end of November and December, it
now becomes dormant seeding, which then it is lays there
until next spring.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Okay, you know, Ron, I had literally manually pulled out
all the crab grass, the broad leaf clover, and weeds,
all different kinds of weeds. My yard, my front yard
was the worse front yard on the street. So that's
where I'm going. I got it. I got it all
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out and I killed it, pulled weeds, pulled all the
roots out down deep. You would think of nuts.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
No, I don't think you're nuts. I think it's great.
I'm glad you did it. And I think you know
what's gonna happen now. And I'm being honest when I
say this, when you if you get back in there
and we can get that grass seed down and the
starter fertilizer and get that up and growing next spring
you and maybe by the end of the fall, but
next spring for sure, and going in the summer, you
won't have the worst looking lawn out there. You'll have
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a much better looking lawn. And it just gets better
and better as it continues to mature.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
All right, Well, I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
David keep us posted now, all right, you don't want
to hear what how everything goes for you? Quick break,
we come back. I got lots of tips to sharing course,
taking your calls at eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five coming up the top of the hour,
Kevin O'Dell uh. And you've heard Kevin on our show
many times, true plantsman, landscape designer, really knows this stuff. Well,
there's a there's a disease that's affecting deer in our
(25:22):
area in other states as well, and it doesn't affect us,
but it does affect them. Kevin wants to let everybody
know about it. In case you see deer in your
yard that are acting a little different, that's what it is,
and we want to know about it and report it
and all of that. But then we're going to talk
with Kevin. Okay, So what do you do as an
expert landscape designer and installer to keep the deer out
(25:43):
of your great landscapes? How do you handle that? You
should have some good tips from Kevin coming up in
our next hour and then right now eight hundred eight
two three eight two times five to five for your calls.
Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Welcome back Here
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Ron Wilson. Read is making the apple moonshine uh huh
sEH here Her alcoholic recipes always seem to get a
lot of response. But you check that out. Got your
fall checklist on there for you. You can print that
out and then kind of work your way through. Doesn't
apply to all onnes in the in the air and
the areas around us, but most of them. So you
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can kind of use that as a checklist as you
go through the fall season, making sure you get things
taken care of before we get into the winter. And
by the way, I was at a buying show this
week in Cleveland, Ohio, the BFG Show, and that's where
independent garden centers go and uh, see all the new
products that are coming along, order the products for next year.
You know that type of thing. And it always kills
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me when on the I look on the bags of
fertilizer and it says, you know, the winterizer getting your
lawn ready for the winter. It's like, wait a minute,
I'm not getting it ready for the winter. I'm getting
it ready for next spring. I'm building on it for spring.
And and you know, sometimes that winter riser thing can
be kind of confusing. It's just you need to feed
the lawn twice in the fall. That's just the cool
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season grasses, not warm season. And typically a lot of
times what we are using in the beginning of the
fall is the same thing we use at the end
of the fall, which can also be the same thing
we're using in the springtime. Yes, so don't let that
kind of fool you. And I just kind of always
laugh and I look at that because we're actually building
up our lawns for the how it looks in the fall,
and it's going to look great. You know, it's going
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to go through the winter just fine, and then it
comes out in the springtime and look even better. That's
why what you do in the fall for cool season
turf is the backbone to how well that lawn is
going to perform in the spring and obviously coming through
the winter, but it's you know, we're working on next
spring and summer and going into the next fall. So
do keep that in mind. And by the way, I
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was talking about the pre emergent or the well, I
could have been talking about pre emergent oversides, but the
grub preventers and the grub killers and putting down the
grass seed, you know, the lawn renovation, planting. You know,
the whole thing that comes back to is water. Water
is the key to the success of all the things
that you're doing out there. Proper watering and you know,
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core air rating. You gotta have moisture in the ground
or you can't core air rate. You may have to
water two or three days in advance, come back in
core air rate. Then come back and do what you're
gonna do, and then get the sprinkler backs set up
to get some good even moisture in there. You've got
to water things in. You've got to water in pre
emerged oversides. You've got to water in grub killers, you've
got to water in grub preventters. You've got to water
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in those newly planted trees and shrubs and for them
keep them watered as we go through the fall and
right up to the holiday season. So important. And right
now we're in a pretty serious drought in the state
of Ohio. I mean, it's it's dry out there. Modern drought,
light drought. We got all the droughts that we're looking at.
And hopefully we're gonna get some rainfall coming in here
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and cooler temperatures next week, but you can't count on that.
You've got to make sure you're watering. And that's where
I'm thinking it may be something you look at the
investment somewhere down the road of installing an irrigation system
into your lawn that you would use manually, and it
could be into the landscape as well, but into the
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lawn that you operate manually. You heard the last weekend
talk at the talking with a good friend, Gary Sullivan,
who is the home improvement expert, and Gary's got a
great irrigation system, but rarely is it on a timer.
The only time he would ever put it on a
timer is if he was going to be out of
town for a couple of weeks and he looks down
the schedule and it doesn't look like it's going to
rain for two weeks. He may put it on a
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timer to water once while he's gone. But you know,
he does that manually, so it's not running all the time.
You just turn it on when you need to be watering.
But it really helps you to keep everything looking good, watering,
timely watering. You're not dragging hoses around everywhere. I would
be dragging the hoses for the landscape, but I wouldn't
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be dragging the hoses for the turf. So think about
down the road. Would an irrigation system be good for
your lawn and the way that you you know, you
garden as well, so you might want to keep it.
Take a look at that. It just seems like that's
been a trend more and more of dry falls going
into the fall season and through the fall and if
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that is, I think it may really come in handy
for you. But again, watering proper watering is key, is
key to so many things that we do in our
yards and gardens, and we've got to make sure we
and sometimes it can be hard to figure that one out.
In some cases, especially watering newly planted trees and shrubs
is a two wet is it too dry? Im'm getting
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enough water in there. That's why, you know, my general
rule of thumb is soak the heck out of it.
Don't just slightly soak water till the hole fills up
and water is running out of the hole, and I'll
cross to the top of the soil. Soak it really well,
give it time to get close to drying out. Soak
it really well. If you do that, you know you
got it made. And that pretty much applies to container gardening,
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raise bed gardening, hanging basket gardening, house plant gardening. That's
typically what you're looking to do. There are some plants
that like good even moisture. Otherwise that really does work
for you. And by the way, as we are now
going into the fall season, I do want to remind
you there's a few things that we actually stop doing
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at this stage rather than continuing to do it. One
is heavy pruning. You really don't want to encourage any
new growth on woody trees and shrubs and evergreens at
this stage in the game. You want them to harden off,
stop growing, get ready for the now. You want them
to get ready for the winter season. So you know,
heavy pruning, heavy cutbacks. If you got to do that,
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save it for late in the fall after the plants
have gone dorm it, or do it in the spring,
late winter, early spring before they start to leaf back
out again. Spring flowering plants, of course, you would wait
till they flower and then you cut them back at
that time. But we don't want to encourage new growth
right now, so don't do heavy sharing, hand pruning, clipping
a few pieces out here and there, whole branch removal
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not an issue. Keep at that. But don't heavily prune
trees and shrubs at this stage, all right. Don't heavily
apply fertilizers right now, except for like root stimulants planting
new trees and shrubs. Back off on that right now.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Now. Applying all natural fertilizers that are like.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
A four to two one, you can get by with that,
but for the most part, we don't want to apply
a lot of fertilizer right now, because again we're not
encouraging new growth. Container gardens with the annuals, different story.
Hanging basket with annuals, different story. Yeah, we're going to
continue to feed those, but for the most part, for
the rest of it, we're going to back off. You
could come back later in the fall as they start
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to shut down and give them a little feeding. The
nestlmen going into the winter season of light feeding, and
in many cases with evergreens, if you insist on feeding
in the late fall, it's about half the normal rate
most of the time spring and is one of your
better times for feeding. But again, don't do that, all right,
and stop deadheading roses all right, they want to harden
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off as well. By leaving those old flowers on there,
it helps to tell them to stop growing, start to
harden off and get ready for the winter season, right
And don't rush to cut back most of those perennials
right now if they're at fifty percent green, leave them
alone if you can. They're still supplying a nutrients back
to the root system, and in some cases you want
to leave those flowers on there for seeds for later,
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and some of the stems as well for wildlife for
later as well. We'll talk more about that as we
go through the fall season. All right, quick break, we
come back. Mister Kevin O'Dell's going to join us. We're
going to talk about a little deer issue that's going
on in our area other states as well, and then
he's going to give us some tips on landscaping without
a lot of deer damage. Here in the garden with
Ron Wilson,
Well, yeah, as soon as Halloween hits, just rolls blank
and it's ready next year.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I had several responses when you and I kind of
went off on the Halloween decorating early, had several people
emails that kind just tries me insane. See why people
do that so early? I agree? I agree, people were
with us saw that one.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So yeah, we're heading into October. Yeah, and this is
my last one in September because I'm on vacation next week,
so I won't be here, so I won't be here
to bother everybody. Ye got a swim beaching the party,
and I am definitely going toe of relaxing. Do they
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have hammocks where you're going beached? I'm sure there's beach chairs,
and I'm sure there's chairs by the pool.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
My problem with beach chairs I can't get out of them.
I'm not supposed to. We're supposed to stay there. Yeah,
but you know you got to get up and get
a drink or something.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Snap your fingers, move the umbrella. Oh you're going to
that kind of place. Well never mind, No, I'm not
really going on that, but I but yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Snap your fingers, pool boy, it would be I had
never done that before, never done the only inclusive things.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, the cool part about the place for going is
that there's a that they have. They have h they
have multiple pools at the resort, but they have at
the main part of the resort there's two pools and
one of them is for kids and one for adults. Nice,
and the one for kids has got all the slides
and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And that's where you hang out and that's what No,
I want the slides and all that this stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'll be in the adult pool that has the bar
and swim up bar, right, has a swim up bar,
chairs in the water, stools in the water. Yeah, you
the man. Hey, I'm gonna do it. You gonna do it, right,
you de man? So, yeah, a week in week in Florida.
So what time? What time do we usually start these
swimming sessions in the morning? Swimming sessions in the morning
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at the swim up bar. I don't know, you know what.
It just depends on what I'm feeling. You know, I'm
on vacation, so I really don't care what time it starts.
I don't care if it's nine, ten eleven, Yep. It
is what it is. It is what it is, so yeah,
it's a lot of it's good. Good, a lot of
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a lot of just relaxing because I didn't really need
I haven't had much relaxing this year. Good. We're not
good for that, but good to get able to do this.
So anyway, what's going on in the in the yard?
Have you been watering? If you haven't been, you're in trouble.
Your evergreens are in trouble, Your lawn's in trouble. But
you know, we're always optimistic. And if you look at
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the weather forecast, starting Monday, things cool back down. We're
back into the seventies, fifties and six season at night,
and there is a big blue rain drop every day
next week there's a chance of showers. Not they're not
talking monsoons, but there's a chance of rainfall every day.
So you know, I'm look I look at that and
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say that's pretty good. Ron Roth has even even semi
agreed with it. So this'd be a great weekend to
get out and get ahead of it and get things
really watered in, well, get your stuff planted, you know,
do whatever you need to do, and then let mother
nature come through next week and help you continue to
water it in.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So it looks good. It looks like the weather is
going to switch back around for us, so we will
take it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Of course. And at least I haven't had the boat,
or at least the girls haven't had the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Not a lot of people have been more in the
last three weeks or so. Absolutely Notleu. You have an
irrigated lawn. I definitely don't have that, But don't you
wish you did? Let me think about it, and I
think more people should think about this. I mean, we're
seeing this more irrigated lawn. I'd rather have have a
self mowing lawn.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's get about three goats.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You work on that's fenced in already. We gotta do
the front two Well, well the front's not that hard.
Oh okay, then you bring in the three goats. Yeah,
the dogs would love playing with the they would you'd
have those in your backyard, eh, and.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
The knowing me and I'd have the goats that freak
out and they fainting ghasts. Faint goats. Yeah, I don't think.
I don't think my my neighborhood is zoned for goats
or probably animals. Probably not. But if you can work
on that sure he's self mowing lawn. That would be great.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You do the load and the low mo. I don't
think there's such a thing as a no mo, but
a lom well three times a year, twice a year.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well okay, and I am thinking about getting new mo
mower for next year. Nice, bigger one, nice like one
of those ones that the landscapers use that you were
kind stand on.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
The back, right around the back on the little slide
your skid thing, and yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Just what you need because out of everything.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, you hate the lawn, knowing you for twenty four years,
and it's been you've been that way since you first
got open.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I hate pulling weeds. Do you do that when
you were a kid? What my lawn? Yeah? No, I
did it when dad let.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Me, when he let you. So you did want to
it one time?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I did. I wanted to because I've made extra money
that way. But but they were always afraid that I
was gonna you know, oh we're using this big machine,
you're going to get your foot something like Okay, fine,
My parents.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Had me on that Bowling's lawn more sure, eight years old,
probably earlier.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So uh, who do you have today? On the show.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Are you Gary, Slim Buggy, Joe Boggs, Danny Gleeson always
throughout the show. We limit it to one today so
we can take a lot of calls. Got a lot
of tips to share as well. Our good friend here,
Kevin O'Dell from Odell Landscaping, And Kevin's always chiming in
on our show. He's a true plantsman. He and Steve
Fulter at that category. It's just you know, way up
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there when it comes to plants, and he's always chiming
on the show. But he's also a hunter. And there's
a problem going around with deer right now in many states,
including Ohio, and I guess it's becoming more and more
prominent in our area. And he would like folks to
know more about it. In case you see this happening
to the deer in your yards, what to do about it?
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Learn more about this disease. It doesn't affect us, but
talk about that. And then the second segment we're going
to talk about Okay, so he's such a good landscaper
and how do you protect those nice landscapes that you
put in from deer damage? So he's going to share
a few tips with that as well. Very cool, so
fun talking to Kevin for half an hour.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
The website is Ron Wilson online dot com, along with
the Facebook page in the Garden with Ron Wilson and.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Tip sheets Galore. I also brought back who came through
with for you this week, which I said he would
buggy Joe, Buggy Joe with all the kissing bug Yeah,
and I've moved that back to the top because the
kissing bug things is going on. Oh the other thing
this week on a sidebar here, all these people are
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now posting stuff because the the lantern fly is. People
are starting to see lantern flies in their yard and
they're acting like this is like, oh, look look at
this pretty colorful bug. It's the most colorful insect there,
I think, and I'm looking at these videos. It's just like,
smash the damn thing. Kill it. It hits an aphit
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on steroids. And then you know, someone's like, oh, look
look how fastest things fly and she hit it with
a stick and I think this.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, that's like they got a spring underneath them. They
go straight up.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, good job now you now, And I had no
chance of killing this thing.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
You know, what's funny is and we've been talking about
spotted lantern fly for a long time and it was
coming here. Then there's nothing to stop it. You can
control it, you can spray it, keep it under control it,
but you got to watch for it and all that stuff.
And they love grapes. Grape growers are not happy about that,
but nevertheless, non native invasive pass. But it's very colorful,
all the stages of us outstanding. We saw it up
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in Cleveland. We were up there two days, last two days, Wednesday, thursdays,
three days, all right, whatever. Anyway, they've had it for
a long time. Now we're finally getting here. But only
the west side of Cincinnati has it where it's a
lot and hasn't really shown up as much. On the
east or northern part of Cincinnati. We're seeing a few
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here and there, but not like on the west side
where the box tree moth is more on the east side,
and I haven't seen any so far on the west side.
So they'll all cross pasth it's.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Sound like a thing. Yeah, yeah, that's at the spot
of the area in the west side. We got them things,
all the things on the east side, and they like
come in and they come like the jets and the sharks. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But that spotted lanternfly. You just touch that thing and
it springs straight up in here. You're like, oh wow, yeah, yeah,
kill that thing.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So yeah, it's ah. When they get in mass numbers,
they can. They don't kill trees, but they can sure
weaken them. Yeah, and turn them black because of the honeydew,
the poop. M Uh have you seen them yet here
your ard?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Not in my yard. I haven't seen any Uh. The
fall checklist is posted, print it up, good, mark it off. Good.
Rita is making moonshine. And I'm saving this recipe because
I think I'm gonna do someone I get back from
vacation the additional purposes only. Sure, we'll go with that.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's it's it's apple flavored, right, yep. Yeah, So I'll
have to send that rescue to doctor Armitage.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Because we we'll need it for them from when we
get sick this.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, and so you take it sip of that. You've
got the warm apple and the warmness of the other
stuff alcohol. Yes, and that just makes you feel better,
of course.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes. And the plant of the week is the baldpress.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Bald cypress it's time to plant trees. It's fall. It's
plant trees. That's one that everybody you know, you see them.
You're gonna see a lot of them next week, yep,
down in Florida. But then it's like you know, believe
or not, they grow just about anywhere and everywhere, very
tough and hardy and street tree, lawn tree. It's a
big tree. Although there's some newer varieties that stay narrow,
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but bald cypress is a great choice for that evergreen look.
But do remember they drop those needles in the fall
and then they come back out in the springtime. It's amazing.
People don't realize that. And don redwood, which is I'll
give you the hint, that's our next week. What but
they dropped their needles in the fall, and I get
these calls. We planted this in the june, and all
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of a sudden, all the leaves are turning the bright
red and they're starting to fall off the tree. Whatever
we do wrong, you did everything right. That's what it's
supposed to hear.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So there you go, all right, Well, I will catch
you in Joe's on the flip side in two weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Good, have a great time. I know you will find
that hammock, that beach chair, and that pool boy. Yeah figures,
and the little in the barstool in the middle of
the brook with the umbrella in it. You don't do that,
I might might, Okay, fine, apple, little coconut yep, maybe
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some apple, maybe some moonshine. Yeah, Freda would bring somebody
for us to take have fun. You I know you will,
all right, Relax man, all right, Joe Strucker, executive producer.
If you like what we see on our website, Ryan
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Joe if you want to, but he's not going to
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And for finally, the sweet Tarts on the back sweet
Tarts on that back seat showing that big rock on
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the left hand finger. Unbelievable. I'm real good man, Doctor
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two five five here in the garden with Ron Wilson,
Chess tracker and the dou Rango kid. Welcome back here
in the guarden with Ron Wilson again that toll free
number eight hundred eight two three eight two five five. Uh,
got about two minutes to go, so let's go right
to South Carolina. Harry, Good morning.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Morning Ron. How are you, Harry. I'm doing great in yourself.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Let's get to it. Japanese beetles they come out in June.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yes on June bug.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
That's correct. Well, there are there are I've been doing
for me, and they attack my maple tree in the
front yards. Three year old tree. Do some damage here.
He looks ugly.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Wife wants to.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Cut it down and put a palm tree in there.
I don't want to. I want to save the tree.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I've been people that tell me I can put something
in the yard in September to get rid of the larva.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well, actually, the best time is in the spring, and
it's it's a grub. Yeah, it's called a grub preventor,
and and and uh that there's grub X and then
there's grubs stop, so make sure you know which one
you're getting. There are grub killers and they are a
grub preventter. So when you go to the local garden center,
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say I'm looking for a grub preventor, and typically that's
applied usually anytime May early June. All right, Now, what
happens is the beetles that are the grubs that are
already in the soil. They're there. They're gonna hatch out
in the next year, and they're gonna be adults and
they're gonna, you know, come out and do their thing.
But what you're doing putting it down next spring is
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stopping the ones from the future on from that point forward.
So you're still gonna get some beetles, all right, but
but you're you're working for twenty twenty seven. Now, what
you're talking about is actually June or May beetles, which
are kind of just a copper brown and Japanese beetles
have more of an there go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, these are more decorative. They look like Japanese
beetles the pictures I've been seeing online.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, then it could be. But either one will feed
on the folies. But yeah, that's that is the best shot.
Keep listening to the show. We come back from the break,
I will continue talking about grub control and beetle control
and help you out as much as I can. Appreciate
the call, appreciate you listening to our show. Eight hundred
eight two three eight two five five. That's our number
here in the garden. Ron Wilson talking to the yardening
(15:03):
at eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I am Ron Wilson, your personal yard boy, talking there
before we went into the break. Lexington and South Carolina,
a beautiful little town by the way. About grub control
and Japanese beetles. There are many different types of beetles
and many different types of grubs. The grubs, obviously, are
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where the beetles come from in the soil. Then they
hatch out in the springtime and then continue to fly
around devour some of your leaves and the flowers, and
then make lay the eggs back into the turf, and
then you know the season's over. And if you look
at a chart right now, and typically most of them
come out and there's all, like I said, all different kinds.
I think Jesus State of Ohio. I've got so many
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different types. But that's the way they all pretty much.
The life cycle is for all of them, and most
of them start to come out sometime in mayish through June,
even into July. And we've had Japanese beetles here in
July with no problem. But June bugs may may beetles,
June beetles, Asian beetles, Japanese beetles, got a whole bunch
(16:15):
of them.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
The goal is to yes, go after the grubs, but
typically we only go after the grubs if we have
serious turf problems because they do feed on debris and
the turf root systems in the soil, and when you
start to have turf problems, that's typically when we go
in and treat for grubs for grub control. Now, if
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you have really high populations of beetles flying into because
they can fly into your yard, there's a good chance
there's going to be some grubs in your yard as well.
So when do you treat, Remember that they lay eggs
in the summer, those eggs go through several phases. By fall,
they're a very small grub. There's still feeding in September,
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it's all weather pending September, early October, still feeding a
little bit. They're small, and then as the temperatures get cooler,
they drop down into the soil for overwintering. Right they
overwinter deep in the soil, and in the springtime when
it starts to warm up, they start to move back
up to the top. They're fat and sassy at that point.
Not a lot of feeding. Typically rarely any damage in
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the springtime because the lawn is so actively growing. And
then they hatch out become adults, whatever their time period
happens to be. So grub control is two things. One
is the preventer is typically the best, and that's applied
sometime in our area typically mid to late May, June, July,
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even into early August. Get it in, you got to
water it in. Well, that's a key, and once that
gets in there, then that helps to prevent them from growing.
So you catch them, you nip it in the bud.
So Barney would say, you nip it in the bud
right there. So they lay those eggs.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Done.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Deal and that lasts typically about ninety days, so it
carries you. If you put it first to June, you
at June, July, and August, right, So keep that in
mind as well, so you know, that's why sometimes we'll
back off till about the first or mid June to
make sure it carries into the later part of the summer.
If by chance, you have had a lot of beetle
problems and you had grub problems, and grub problems starting
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can show up on your lawn in September from those
grubs feeding already, you can go in in September and
even early October again depending on the weather, and use
a grub killer, and that would be a product that
you would apply that again you got a water down
well that kills the grubs that are there right then
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or within about a two week period. Now some of
them say at twenty four hour or a grub control. Yeah,
someone can work that quickly, but over a two week
period or so. So you could go after them if
you know you have them in September in early October
by applying that, getting it watered in and actually killing
the grubs while they're still at the top of the
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surface feeding on those roots all right. Otherwise you can
wait until we get back into the spring season and
then apply that. Like I said, in our area, it's
typically June July, even early August sometime in there for
the preventer which takes care of those young eggs as
they're laying their eggs throughout the summer season and into
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into early September. But June, July and August is when
we typically apply that. So you got two ways to
go after it. And that doesn't stop all of them.
They fly distances to come in and feed, so you'll
still get that. But that will obviously reduce the populations
in your turf, cut down on any turf issues that
you're having, and should help to reduce some of the
populations that are flying out there as well. I do
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not recommend using Japanese beetle traps. Japanese beetle traps attract
and as research has been done, I don't know why.
Sometimes I don't know why garden centers still sell Japanese
beetle traps. Research has been done. In many cases, you
draw more Japanese beetles to that trap and you can't
catch them all because it fills up so quickly then
(20:13):
you would have gotten had you not put the trap
out there. And the pheromone or hormones that are pheromones
that are in that trap though tractive beetles to your yard.
If anything, you would buy beetle traps and put them
in your neighbor's yard so they go to your neighbor's yard.
But you really don't want to use those unless you
can get them way away from your house and maybe
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try to attract the beetles further away from your home.
That's a possibility. But again and for around the landscape,
I have found you know, you can cover plants up
with cheese cloth or whatever for two or three weeks
during the heavy feeding time. I've also found it getting
up in the morning or in the evening and hosing
off plants that have the beetles feeding on them causes
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them to fly away go somewhere else. And amazing how
you can minimize damages there actually spraying with insecticide. You
could spray every day and not keep them under control.
So no, we don't really recommend a lot of insecticidal sprays.
But again, the grub control grub killers in the summer
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or late summer, like September eish October, and then the
grub preventers usually late May, but June, July and early August.
And that's the way you take a look at those
and good luck with it. To glenn Dale we go.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
David, Good morning, morning Ron. How are you. I'm good
house with the lawn seating.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Hey, I well, I'm about ready to go. Okay, called
you up a few weeks ago and you told me
to buy some turf type tall rescue blamed right now.
I've gone out and looked a round for it. I
went down ready and seed and seed. I went into
minors and I can't find it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Where can I find reading? Seed doesn't have turf type
tall rescue.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Well, I'm gonna look again because I was there.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, they used it. I'm pretty sure that they usually
handle something. Just tell them you're looking for turf type
tall rescue. That's what you're looking for. And I sometimes
they'll sell it as a single like just like fine
lawn tall rescue. Most of the time it's sold in
a blend, and I like the blends better than the
single stand. But just tell them turf type tall rescue,
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that's the grass seed you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
If they don't have it.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
You know, look at something that White Oaks got it,
Ny Turfs has it, Sharon Nursery. I mean, most of
the garden centers I know have the turf type tall
rescues because it's becoming one of the most popular grasses
used in our area.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Regardless, grass will go, will grow straight up and down right.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, it's a yeah, it's a great turf. And again
they call it turf type because it's like a second
cousin the Kentucky fescue which you see along the Expressway.
But it's a desirable uh with as far as the blades,
the height that it gets, et cetera, et cetera. So
it's a good, excellent grass for turf.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Okay, now I'm probably gonna do it this week. How
long can I go? Can I Can I plant the
seed in October or November?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Once you get we try to get it in September.
And the way it's looking right now, we've been dry,
so folks have been holding off a little bit. Looks
like good rainfall next week. So I'm looking to jump
in there this weekend and get some things done anticipating
some rainfall next week. Getting moisture back in the ground.
It's nice to get that up and growing. So the
sooner you can get that seated, the quicker is going
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to come up. Last year, it stayed warm so late
that you know a lot of folks that's seated in
mid to late October, still got the grass to come
up and looking pretty good. But you want to get
it in as soon as you can to give it
a chance to get up, start to root in, growing,
et cetera, et cetera. So by the time we get
to the first of December, it's looking pretty darn good.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
At that point.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Once we get to end of November and December, it
now becomes dormant seeding, which then it is lays there
until next spring.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Okay, you know, Ron, I had literally manually pulled out
all the crab grass, the broad leaf clover, and weeds,
all different kinds of weeds. My yard, my front yard
was the worse front yard on the street. So that's
where I'm going. I got it. I got it all
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out and I killed it, pulled weeds, pulled all the
roots out down deep. You would think of nuts.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
No, I don't think you're nuts. I think it's great.
I'm glad you did it. And I think you know
what's gonna happen now. And I'm being honest when I
say this, when you if you get back in there
and we can get that grass seed down and the
starter fertilizer and get that up and growing next spring
you and maybe by the end of the fall, but
next spring for sure, and going in the summer, you
won't have the worst looking lawn out there. You'll have
(24:53):
a much better looking lawn. And it just gets better
and better as it continues to mature.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
All right, Well, I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
David keep us posted now, all right, you don't want
to hear what how everything goes for you? Quick break,
we come back. I got lots of tips to sharing course,
taking your calls at eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five coming up the top of the hour,
Kevin O'Dell uh. And you've heard Kevin on our show
many times, true plantsman, landscape designer, really knows this stuff. Well,
there's a there's a disease that's affecting deer in our
(25:22):
area in other states as well, and it doesn't affect us,
but it does affect them. Kevin wants to let everybody
know about it. In case you see deer in your
yard that are acting a little different, that's what it is,
and we want to know about it and report it
and all of that. But then we're going to talk
with Kevin. Okay, So what do you do as an
expert landscape designer and installer to keep the deer out
(25:43):
of your great landscapes? How do you handle that? You
should have some good tips from Kevin coming up in
our next hour and then right now eight hundred eight
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Ron Wilson. Read is making the apple moonshine uh huh
sEH here Her alcoholic recipes always seem to get a
lot of response. But you check that out. Got your
fall checklist on there for you. You can print that
out and then kind of work your way through. Doesn't
apply to all onnes in the in the air and
the areas around us, but most of them. So you
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can kind of use that as a checklist as you
go through the fall season, making sure you get things
taken care of before we get into the winter. And
by the way, I was at a buying show this
week in Cleveland, Ohio, the BFG Show, and that's where
independent garden centers go and uh, see all the new
products that are coming along, order the products for next year.
You know that type of thing. And it always kills
(26:45):
me when on the I look on the bags of
fertilizer and it says, you know, the winterizer getting your
lawn ready for the winter. It's like, wait a minute,
I'm not getting it ready for the winter. I'm getting
it ready for next spring. I'm building on it for spring.
And and you know, sometimes that winter riser thing can
be kind of confusing. It's just you need to feed
the lawn twice in the fall. That's just the cool
(27:06):
season grasses, not warm season. And typically a lot of
times what we are using in the beginning of the
fall is the same thing we use at the end
of the fall, which can also be the same thing
we're using in the springtime. Yes, so don't let that
kind of fool you. And I just kind of always
laugh and I look at that because we're actually building
up our lawns for the how it looks in the fall,
and it's going to look great. You know, it's going
(27:27):
to go through the winter just fine, and then it
comes out in the springtime and look even better. That's
why what you do in the fall for cool season
turf is the backbone to how well that lawn is
going to perform in the spring and obviously coming through
the winter, but it's you know, we're working on next
spring and summer and going into the next fall. So
do keep that in mind. And by the way, I
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was talking about the pre emergent or the well, I
could have been talking about pre emergent oversides, but the
grub preventers and the grub killers and putting down the
grass seed, you know, the lawn renovation, planting. You know,
the whole thing that comes back to is water. Water
is the key to the success of all the things
that you're doing out there. Proper watering and you know,
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core air rating. You gotta have moisture in the ground
or you can't core air rate. You may have to
water two or three days in advance, come back in
core air rate. Then come back and do what you're
gonna do, and then get the sprinkler backs set up
to get some good even moisture in there. You've got
to water things in. You've got to water in pre
emerged oversides. You've got to water in grub killers, you've
got to water in grub preventters. You've got to water
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in those newly planted trees and shrubs and for them
keep them watered as we go through the fall and
right up to the holiday season. So important. And right
now we're in a pretty serious drought in the state
of Ohio. I mean, it's it's dry out there. Modern drought,
light drought. We got all the droughts that we're looking at.
And hopefully we're gonna get some rainfall coming in here
(28:55):
and cooler temperatures next week, but you can't count on that.
You've got to make sure you're watering. And that's where
I'm thinking it may be something you look at the
investment somewhere down the road of installing an irrigation system
into your lawn that you would use manually, and it
could be into the landscape as well, but into the
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lawn that you operate manually. You heard the last weekend
talk at the talking with a good friend, Gary Sullivan,
who is the home improvement expert, and Gary's got a
great irrigation system, but rarely is it on a timer.
The only time he would ever put it on a
timer is if he was going to be out of
town for a couple of weeks and he looks down
the schedule and it doesn't look like it's going to
rain for two weeks. He may put it on a
(29:38):
timer to water once while he's gone. But you know,
he does that manually, so it's not running all the time.
You just turn it on when you need to be watering.
But it really helps you to keep everything looking good, watering,
timely watering. You're not dragging hoses around everywhere. I would
be dragging the hoses for the landscape, but I wouldn't
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be dragging the hoses for the turf. So think about
down the road. Would an irrigation system be good for
your lawn and the way that you you know, you
garden as well, so you might want to keep it.
Take a look at that. It just seems like that's
been a trend more and more of dry falls going
into the fall season and through the fall and if
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that is, I think it may really come in handy
for you. But again, watering proper watering is key, is
key to so many things that we do in our
yards and gardens, and we've got to make sure we
and sometimes it can be hard to figure that one out.
In some cases, especially watering newly planted trees and shrubs
is a two wet is it too dry? Im'm getting
(30:43):
enough water in there. That's why, you know, my general
rule of thumb is soak the heck out of it.
Don't just slightly soak water till the hole fills up
and water is running out of the hole, and I'll
cross to the top of the soil. Soak it really well,
give it time to get close to drying out. Soak
it really well. If you do that, you know you
got it made. And that pretty much applies to container gardening,
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raise bed gardening, hanging basket gardening, house plant gardening. That's
typically what you're looking to do. There are some plants
that like good even moisture. Otherwise that really does work
for you. And by the way, as we are now
going into the fall season, I do want to remind
you there's a few things that we actually stop doing
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at this stage rather than continuing to do it. One
is heavy pruning. You really don't want to encourage any
new growth on woody trees and shrubs and evergreens at
this stage in the game. You want them to harden off,
stop growing, get ready for the now. You want them
to get ready for the winter season. So you know,
heavy pruning, heavy cutbacks. If you got to do that,
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save it for late in the fall after the plants
have gone dorm it, or do it in the spring,
late winter, early spring before they start to leaf back
out again. Spring flowering plants, of course, you would wait
till they flower and then you cut them back at
that time. But we don't want to encourage new growth
right now, so don't do heavy sharing, hand pruning, clipping
a few pieces out here and there, whole branch removal
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not an issue. Keep at that. But don't heavily prune
trees and shrubs at this stage, all right. Don't heavily
apply fertilizers right now, except for like root stimulants planting
new trees and shrubs. Back off on that right now.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Now. Applying all natural fertilizers that are like.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
A four to two one, you can get by with that,
but for the most part, we don't want to apply
a lot of fertilizer right now, because again we're not
encouraging new growth. Container gardens with the annuals, different story.
Hanging basket with annuals, different story. Yeah, we're going to
continue to feed those, but for the most part, for
the rest of it, we're going to back off. You
could come back later in the fall as they start
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to shut down and give them a little feeding. The
nestlmen going into the winter season of light feeding, and
in many cases with evergreens, if you insist on feeding
in the late fall, it's about half the normal rate
most of the time spring and is one of your
better times for feeding. But again, don't do that, all right,
and stop deadheading roses all right, they want to harden
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off as well. By leaving those old flowers on there,
it helps to tell them to stop growing, start to
harden off and get ready for the winter season, right
And don't rush to cut back most of those perennials
right now if they're at fifty percent green, leave them
alone if you can. They're still supplying a nutrients back
to the root system, and in some cases you want
to leave those flowers on there for seeds for later,
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and some of the stems as well for wildlife for
later as well. We'll talk more about that as we
go through the fall season. All right, quick break, we
come back. Mister Kevin O'Dell's going to join us. We're
going to talk about a little deer issue that's going
on in our area other states as well, and then
he's going to give us some tips on landscaping without
a lot of deer damage. Here in the garden with
Ron Wilson,
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