October 11, 2025 • 8 mins
Korn Ferry Tour’s leader on pace with… Tiger Woods?!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's the Golf show on the tickets. One other tip
thing I want to ask you about. We see pros
all the time and they play to a certain number
because they know that the ball is going to spin back.
And I think we go back to the Greg Norman days.
One He used to play the Tour edition golf ball
and everybody could spend that thing and it was cool
(00:23):
to watch the ball hit the green and zip back
towards the hole. And Harvey Pennick used to have the
famous line, why do you want to put spin on
the ball? Do you hit it too far? What are
your thoughts when you're teaching players to not only control spin,
but do you want them to play a golf ball
in a shot that is going to land twenty feet
past the hole and spin back towards it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
No, don't want that. You know, tour players have great
They have a great ability to control how far they
hit it. Now, that comes down to a lot of
different things. It's the ball you play has to be
a premium ball. Well. Number two, your grooves have to
be as new as possible.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And cleaned and clean. They get that brush out about
every two shots.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
They can't be old because then you lose spin. Once
you start losing spin, you lose the ability to control
how far you hit it. And then the texture ground
you play on it means a lot. If it's you know,
if you're playing a Cordia, just you san Antonio for
a minute, Cordier, you know, for you're using your hitting
(01:31):
off zoyst grass, you can control how far it goes.
It looks like it's sitting on a D or TPC
or somewhere is. But when you go somewhere where the
fairways are not as tight, they need to be super
tight to be to be able to control that kind
of spin. No, I don't want the ball hitting up
(01:52):
there and spinning back because one I don't now the
players that I teach don't have that kind of control
how far they hit it.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Right, You got to learn you got to learn distance
control first and how far the ball goes with each club.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And it has a lot to do with the ground
you hit off of. I mean, it has to be
tight to be able to control how far you hit.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And that's another thing that a lot of amateurs struggle
with is because if they get on tight lies, they
they don't necessarily they want grass. They want fluffy lies
so they can use which will take spin off of it.
You'll basically catch flyers from the fairway.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes, I mean they's trying to hit the green, so
but I don't you know, controlling distance. That's the upper
echelon I mean. And again the fairways they play off
of Oak Hills. You know those kind of places, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The corn Ferry Tour Championship is going on this week
and the number one player on the corn Ferry Tour
this year was Johnny Kiefer. He's tight for eighteenth right now.
Neil Shipley has the lead at minus eight And what
are your thoughts on Johnny coming too the PGA Tour
next year and the successes that we hope he has.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know, it's been I got to know Johnny when
he was the eighth grade, ninth tenth, worked with him,
and then Gathright took over and it's done an incredible
job with john And the one thing that I always
tell people that you cannot teach and Johnny has it
is the will to win. And I don't care who
(03:26):
I'm playing with. He's not scared to tee it up
with whoever. He doesn't care the way he does it.
You know, he's an incredible chipper of the ball. He
puts extreme he's unbelievable inside one hundred and twenty yards.
So and he's not afraid to go. Okay, I'm here
with John Rahm and the match play. I'm taking him down,
(03:47):
all right, So my game is as good as is yeah,
and maybe he's our next, our star player that can
play on the Ryder Cup and take these guys down.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
He's he's tough as a teacher, really tough as a teacher.
You can't really teach that. But how do you hone
it and kind of or do you even try to,
you know, make it under control?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
You don't. What you do is you you have to build.
If you watch him play, you can tell that they've
done an incredible job with his his routine, all right,
His routine never changes. He's right on top of it
every single time. And he hates to lose. He's got
(04:32):
some good friends here he plays with, all right. That
some of these young men are are trying to make
it on tour also, and they play over there a TPC.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
He hates.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I wonder sometimes the best players in the world at
whatever sport, do they even enjoy winning as much as
they hate losing. I totally get what Scott he said
at at the at the at the British Open this year,
where it's like, yeah, this is great and I'm gonna
I'm here and I hope I'll win. But two weeks
I'm going to be in Memphis and oh, no one's
even gonna remember I won the Open.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I think so, I think that he hates to lose.
He smiles when he holds those trophies, but I mean,
at the same time that smiles, I'm reaching goals that
I put on that myself since I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I know, I was never I never had the skill
set as a kid to be good as a kid.
I'm actually way better now than I've ever been in
my life. But I can remember if I had bad
days on the golf course, my first thought was, I
don't want to see these golf clubs. Give me my
fishing stuff. I'm going to go fishing. And I set
out oft the driving range doing the radio show a
couple of years ago at the Vlero Texas Open, and
(05:41):
the guys that played well they went to eat the
guys that played poorly. It was Rory and Matsiyama, and
they were side by side on the driving range hitting
golf balls for thirty minutes after their round. And if
you're not willing to go fix what's wrong before you
start the next day, you're probably not destined to play
pro golf.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yet he is in the h he's a good he's
a great young man. He's going to be a great
ambassador for the game, for the PGA Tour. And uh,
he's slight build, he's not real big, so you know,
and I know they have him on a great workout
program and keep them healthy. So the only thing that's
(06:18):
going to stop him would be some aches and pains
that might stop him. But yeah, it's not mental.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, and I think a lot of golfers have learned
from Tiger. Yes, you need to work out, but you
don't need to overdo it. And Tiger did that Navy
seal stuff that was not going to be conducive to him.
Well that's the seals hurt him. Yeah, all right, so
they're broking. But Johnny's another thing too. He's very intelligent
(06:47):
young man.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So I don't we see success, you know how much
you know it depends on that great putter of his.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
All right, the one last thing. They're going to bring
the skins back on Thanksgiving Black Friday. Justin Thomas Xander Shoffley,
Keegan Bradley and Tommy Fleetwood. I think that died a
long time ago. That's why it left. That's why we
got rid of it. And there's really you know, these
guys are good, but there's no Tiger. There's Scheffler played
here and that he played. I think it's the wrong four.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It is the wrong flour. You gotta have Teraryll Hadden.
Some guys you want to throw clubs. Yeah, exactly, Kopka
in there, exactly. Yes, the microphone on these guys, let
them cut it up a little bit, all right. Joe
Patrick Red Thanks Patrick, would be great, see you next time.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Continued success out at San Pedro at the Joe Cruzo
Golf a cat one thing.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Thanks to my wife for all my success.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Awesome, there you go, all right, thanks to Shane. It's
the Golf Show. See at four thirty for u T
s A Football.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You've been listening to the Golf Show on Sports Radio
AM seven sixty. The ticket brought to you by MK
Golf Tech. Joe Caruso's Golf Academy and by Alamo City
Golf Trail. We'll tee it up again next Saturday morning
at eight with another edition of The Golf Show exclusively
on sports Radio AM seven sixty The Ticket.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You've been listening to the podcast version of The Golf
Show on sports Radio AM seven sixty the Tickets join
us again next time for another edition of The Golf
Show
It's the Golf show on the tickets. One other tip
thing I want to ask you about. We see pros
all the time and they play to a certain number
because they know that the ball is going to spin back.
And I think we go back to the Greg Norman days.
One He used to play the Tour edition golf ball
and everybody could spend that thing and it was cool
(00:23):
to watch the ball hit the green and zip back
towards the hole. And Harvey Pennick used to have the
famous line, why do you want to put spin on
the ball? Do you hit it too far? What are
your thoughts when you're teaching players to not only control spin,
but do you want them to play a golf ball
in a shot that is going to land twenty feet
past the hole and spin back towards it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
No, don't want that. You know, tour players have great
They have a great ability to control how far they
hit it. Now, that comes down to a lot of
different things. It's the ball you play has to be
a premium ball. Well. Number two, your grooves have to
be as new as possible.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And cleaned and clean. They get that brush out about
every two shots.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
They can't be old because then you lose spin. Once
you start losing spin, you lose the ability to control
how far you hit it. And then the texture ground
you play on it means a lot. If it's you know,
if you're playing a Cordia, just you san Antonio for
a minute, Cordier, you know, for you're using your hitting
(01:31):
off zoyst grass, you can control how far it goes.
It looks like it's sitting on a D or TPC
or somewhere is. But when you go somewhere where the
fairways are not as tight, they need to be super
tight to be to be able to control that kind
of spin. No, I don't want the ball hitting up
(01:52):
there and spinning back because one I don't now the
players that I teach don't have that kind of control
how far they hit it.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Right, You got to learn you got to learn distance
control first and how far the ball goes with each club.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And it has a lot to do with the ground
you hit off of. I mean, it has to be
tight to be able to control how far you hit.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And that's another thing that a lot of amateurs struggle
with is because if they get on tight lies, they
they don't necessarily they want grass. They want fluffy lies
so they can use which will take spin off of it.
You'll basically catch flyers from the fairway.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes, I mean they's trying to hit the green, so
but I don't you know, controlling distance. That's the upper
echelon I mean. And again the fairways they play off
of Oak Hills. You know those kind of places, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The corn Ferry Tour Championship is going on this week
and the number one player on the corn Ferry Tour
this year was Johnny Kiefer. He's tight for eighteenth right now.
Neil Shipley has the lead at minus eight And what
are your thoughts on Johnny coming too the PGA Tour
next year and the successes that we hope he has.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know, it's been I got to know Johnny when
he was the eighth grade, ninth tenth, worked with him,
and then Gathright took over and it's done an incredible
job with john And the one thing that I always
tell people that you cannot teach and Johnny has it
is the will to win. And I don't care who
(03:26):
I'm playing with. He's not scared to tee it up
with whoever. He doesn't care the way he does it.
You know, he's an incredible chipper of the ball. He
puts extreme he's unbelievable inside one hundred and twenty yards.
So and he's not afraid to go. Okay, I'm here
with John Rahm and the match play. I'm taking him down,
(03:47):
all right, So my game is as good as is yeah,
and maybe he's our next, our star player that can
play on the Ryder Cup and take these guys down.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
He's he's tough as a teacher, really tough as a teacher.
You can't really teach that. But how do you hone
it and kind of or do you even try to,
you know, make it under control?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
You don't. What you do is you you have to build.
If you watch him play, you can tell that they've
done an incredible job with his his routine, all right,
His routine never changes. He's right on top of it
every single time. And he hates to lose. He's got
(04:32):
some good friends here he plays with, all right. That
some of these young men are are trying to make
it on tour also, and they play over there a TPC.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
He hates.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I wonder sometimes the best players in the world at
whatever sport, do they even enjoy winning as much as
they hate losing. I totally get what Scott he said
at at the at the at the British Open this year,
where it's like, yeah, this is great and I'm gonna
I'm here and I hope I'll win. But two weeks
I'm going to be in Memphis and oh, no one's
even gonna remember I won the Open.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I think so, I think that he hates to lose.
He smiles when he holds those trophies, but I mean,
at the same time that smiles, I'm reaching goals that
I put on that myself since I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I know, I was never I never had the skill
set as a kid to be good as a kid.
I'm actually way better now than I've ever been in
my life. But I can remember if I had bad
days on the golf course, my first thought was, I
don't want to see these golf clubs. Give me my
fishing stuff. I'm going to go fishing. And I set
out oft the driving range doing the radio show a
couple of years ago at the Vlero Texas Open, and
(05:41):
the guys that played well they went to eat the
guys that played poorly. It was Rory and Matsiyama, and
they were side by side on the driving range hitting
golf balls for thirty minutes after their round. And if
you're not willing to go fix what's wrong before you
start the next day, you're probably not destined to play
pro golf.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yet he is in the h he's a good he's
a great young man. He's going to be a great
ambassador for the game, for the PGA Tour. And uh,
he's slight build, he's not real big, so you know,
and I know they have him on a great workout
program and keep them healthy. So the only thing that's
(06:18):
going to stop him would be some aches and pains
that might stop him. But yeah, it's not mental.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, and I think a lot of golfers have learned
from Tiger. Yes, you need to work out, but you
don't need to overdo it. And Tiger did that Navy
seal stuff that was not going to be conducive to him.
Well that's the seals hurt him. Yeah, all right, so
they're broking. But Johnny's another thing too. He's very intelligent
(06:47):
young man.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So I don't we see success, you know how much
you know it depends on that great putter of his.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
All right, the one last thing. They're going to bring
the skins back on Thanksgiving Black Friday. Justin Thomas Xander Shoffley,
Keegan Bradley and Tommy Fleetwood. I think that died a
long time ago. That's why it left. That's why we
got rid of it. And there's really you know, these
guys are good, but there's no Tiger. There's Scheffler played
here and that he played. I think it's the wrong four.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It is the wrong flour. You gotta have Teraryll Hadden.
Some guys you want to throw clubs. Yeah, exactly, Kopka
in there, exactly. Yes, the microphone on these guys, let
them cut it up a little bit, all right. Joe
Patrick Red Thanks Patrick, would be great, see you next time.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Continued success out at San Pedro at the Joe Cruzo
Golf a cat one thing.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Thanks to my wife for all my success.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Awesome, there you go, all right, thanks to Shane. It's
the Golf Show. See at four thirty for u T
s A Football.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You've been listening to the Golf Show on Sports Radio
AM seven sixty. The ticket brought to you by MK
Golf Tech. Joe Caruso's Golf Academy and by Alamo City
Golf Trail. We'll tee it up again next Saturday morning
at eight with another edition of The Golf Show exclusively
on sports Radio AM seven sixty The Ticket.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You've been listening to the podcast version of The Golf
Show on sports Radio AM seven sixty the Tickets join
us again next time for another edition of The Golf
Show
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