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Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, it's a golf show on the ticket. There's
all kinds of rumors flying around out there. They know
they have a new commissioner now on the PGA Tour,
and it looks like that twenty twenty seven is going
to be a very different schedule, at least if you
believe in the rumors, and that is is that the
season actually may not start until sometime in February, either
(00:32):
right before or right after the Super Bowl. Now you
always have that hype week of the Super Bowl where
that you're write before and if they were to start,
they could potentially start that week at Pebble Beach and
do the Super Bowl on Phoenix, because they always finish
the Super Bowl before that game starts. And the rationale
behind this is is that there's too much college and
pro football going on in January to where people care
(00:55):
that much about the Sony the Century Tournament of Champions,
the American Express and Tory Pines. Well, I would disagree
with that because both the Century before it got canceled
this year because of course conditions and Sony are usually
in prime time, So after football on a Sunday or
a Saturday, you can watch golf at eight or nine
(01:16):
o'clock at night because it's four or five hours earlier
in Hawaii. I am. I think the golf fan wants
to watch golf, and I don't think the average non
golfan is significant enough unless Tiger's playing to where that's
going to make a big difference in the television viewers
(01:37):
and the interest in the event. I just hope we
don't lose tournaments, because there is a lot of talk
about at least one of the Texas tournaments going away.
My guess would be as long as Valero is sponsoring
the Valero Texas Open, they would stay. Valero is a
big time when you lead the when you're either one
or two in terms of tournament giving. As far as
(02:00):
charity is concerned for the last ten twelve years or
even longer than that, that usually has some clouts. So
hopefully we keep our event, and it's hopefully it's the
week before the Masters. But twenty twenty seven, I believe
is the last year of that ten year deal that
Valerio signed a few years back. So I'm kind of
curious as to what the Texas events have. The Nelson
(02:23):
has had a hard time finding a golf course and
Colonial has had a hard time keeping a sponsor over
the last several years.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Andy, you're certainly closer to it than I am as
far as you know, paying attention to what the what
the PGA Tour does. Yeah, I really enjoy the Hawaii events.
That's events that I always watch. I've played the Plantation
Course at Capaloo a handful of times and know it,
so I always enjoy watching players that are better than
me play it, and it's it's fun fun to see that,
(02:51):
and it's fun to see it at seven, eight, nine
o'clock at night, which pretty awesome too. The PGA Tour
obviously knows what they're doing. They're a big money making
machine and TV contracts and viewership means a lot. But
golf has never been more popular, So I'm surprised that
that doesn't kind of counterbalance football star less right in consolidating,
(03:13):
I get that all the players don't want to play
as much and they want to play for more, so
let's just shrink the fields, and it just seems weird
to me.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I just wish there was more of it. Well, here's
one of the things I've always looked at. If you
take a field of one hundred and forty four golfers.
And I'll use Corey Connors as an example. When he
burst on the scene, he was a Monday qualifier and
won the Valero Texas Open back when he first won,
and he would not even be in a field if
the field was less than one forty four. Even if
(03:41):
it was one hundred and twenty eight or one hundred
and fourteen, he would have he likely would have not
been in the field because there may not even been
a Monday qualifier. And if you're going to make every
tournament eighty to one hundred players, you're taking out a story.
And Corey's now become probably a top twenty player in
the world, probably the best Canadian player as part and
(04:03):
part of the and the best player on their international
team for the President's Cup. So here's a story that
doesn't happen if you don't have that one twenty eight
to one forty four field, which most of the spring
events have the majors and the players have one hundred
and fifty six and so that and that's where you
kind of have to cap it because you can't get
more than one hundred and fifty six around unless you're
(04:23):
playing on multiple golf courses. I think Pebble Beach has
two hundred and eight, but you're playing on three golf
courses and then you're cutting it to the final day
to play play at Pebble. And in years past it
was the same thing with the American Express, the old
you know, the one in the deserts, So they would
play on three golf courses and cut it down to
one course on the last day to where you can
(04:45):
you can get everybody around. But to me, one of
the things that the PGA Tour and every single one
of its members was critical of live was you're only
playing with fifty four players. And so immediately, not within
a couple of years of that, they took Riviera and
Arnold Palmer and a handful of these other signature events
(05:07):
and made them eighty man fields. Yeah, I want to
see the best eighty players in the world, but I'd
also like to see somebody that I don't know come
up and surprise somebody, because that's that person could become
a somebody by getting a springboard through a win. And
the difference between one and one forty four saying a
college basketball is a lot. The difference between one and
(05:29):
one forty four and the PGA Tour isn't that much.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
They they've really been talking the last few years about
how the guys playing the lower level tours don't make
a whole lot of money. So now you're just basically
saying there's only going to be eighty guys that make money, right,
and they'll make a lot, and then there'll be all
the other guys that are I shouldn't say struggling, because
if you're if you're eighty one to probably two hundred,
you're probably doing some guys just great. But yeah, I
(05:54):
agree with you. You you don't see the surprises and
the quote unquote no names is off and as you.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Might and then you look at that means that more
players go to Europe to play, or Asia to play,
to work their way onto the PGA Tour if the
fields are shorter. And I don't think Live is going away.
I don't think we're going to see a merger unless
we were all wrong about something we all thought when
Live happened and started three years ago and then two
(06:22):
years ago we're going to have a merger. That the
Saudis have an unlimited bank account and they don't care
if they lose to a billion dollars a year, and
not because there's ten trillion in oil sitting under their ground.
So at some point if they don't get an ROI
because everybody, at some point says I need to get
something out of this investment. And apparently the last two
(06:43):
years Live is lost over a half a billion dollars
a year. At what point are the powers that be
in Saudi Arabia go, Okay, this isn't working. This isn't
Formula one, this isn't Championship wrestling, this isn't soccer. The
golfers aren't coming. Jose Ballistaire, it was the top amateur
golfer in the world, went live and won the Saudi
(07:04):
Invitational this past week. And the only reason I knew
that is because I got a notice on it on
a notification on a golf app that I'm on. I
didn't see it on Golf Channel for a couple of days.
I didn't see it on golf dot Com. I didn't
see it on Golf Week. The Lift Tour doesn't get
media coverage like other golf events do. And so good
(07:25):
for Jose. He won a bunch of money and he'll
be set for life now because of what Live gave him,
but he's playing an insignificant tournament in an insignificant place
as far as golf is concerned. And I just think
the Saudi's at some point got to go, Hey, this
guy won and nobody cared. What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Is Battlestar the guy that took the leak at Augusta National? Yes, classy, right,
you're right. I'm really curious to see what happens when
John Rahm and Bryson D. Chambeau and Brooks Koepka, not
that he's such a household name anymore, but when they're
con tracks expire with Live, because I get the feeling
(08:03):
that both Ram and Deshamba would like to play on
the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They like to pick and choose where they play. Yeah,
And I think the sticking point is is that Live
wants it's players to play all fourteen events or thirteen
of the fourteen, and the PGA Tour wants you to
play fifteen, and that's thirty tournaments, and there's no one
playing thirty tournaments. Now. The majors all would count as
far as their standings are concerned, but other than Sung
(08:27):
JM and Tom Kim, nobody's playing twenty six to thirty
five tournaments. Those guys do play a lot of golf
because that's what they do. They're single, and they don't care,
and they're just gonna go make some money each week.
So they kind of look at it. I'm gonna be
playing golf at home for my buddies for one hundred
bucks a hole, or I can go play whatever golf
tournament and the purse is seven million dollars. So that's
(08:47):
what their mindset is. I just I got a feeling
that at some point the Saudi's are going to say
this model doesn't work, and then maybe the merger happens.
But until that day comes, the leverage is still with
the saudiast because they have the most money.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I think those guys are locked up with Live through
twenty twenty six. But let's just say twenty twenty seven
rolls around, does the PGA Tour let Ram and Deschambeau
back to play.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
One of the things I would look at is if
Live could come up and say, okay, you can forget
to get rid of this team concept. Nobody cares this
whole idea of I mean, the d Chambeau and Mickelson
say this is so great that my team won.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You may care, nobody else in the world cares.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Teams matter in the Ryder Cup and the president's cuffing
the walker comes exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
That's it. We're playing team golf in three events a year,
and they're international and there's no money on the line,
So forget about that. But if you go back to
individual events only and say, okay, if you're a live golfer,
you can play four majors, and let's say four to
six live events, and if you're a PGA Tour player,
(09:53):
you can play ten to twelve and maybe you get
the best players in the world to play together a
little bit more. A lot of people want to put
an asterisk besides Scotty Scheffler, he can only beat the
guys that are in front of him. Would his record
be the same if Rom and Keepko were playing, and
maybe D Chambeau, who knows, maybe they we don't, will
never know, because but you would have to think that
(10:15):
Rom and d Schambeau would win a tournament here and there.
But to me, the live golf has two or three stars,
maybe six stars, and the rest are rank and file golfers,
whereas the PGA Tour has, really it's Scotty and Rory's
tour right now, but it has another twenty five to
thirty guys that you've heard of most of the sports fan,
(10:38):
not the golf fan. It's never heard of Jose Balistaik
or could care less until he wins a major, or
wins the Arnold Palmer or wins Jack's Tournament. But I
just hope the PGA Tour doesn't become live with short fields,
with a shorter season and less golf. I know the
main golfers, the big time golfers don't want to play
in the fall. Well guess what, they're not playing in
(10:59):
the all right now? Anyway, let them have three months off.
But the rest of us want to see golf, and
the rest of us want to play golf so we
can make money, So we can be one of those guys.
And we've got to figure out a way for that
opportunity to exist. Amen, all right, we're going to talk
about a tip that that we're going to give you Scotty,
Rory and who else. In twenty twenty five. We had
the Skins game yesterday and Justin Thomas is coming off
(11:22):
of a surgery we'll talk about all that coming up
on the ticket.
All right, it's a golf show on the ticket. There's
all kinds of rumors flying around out there. They know
they have a new commissioner now on the PGA Tour,
and it looks like that twenty twenty seven is going
to be a very different schedule, at least if you
believe in the rumors, and that is is that the
season actually may not start until sometime in February, either
(00:32):
right before or right after the Super Bowl. Now you
always have that hype week of the Super Bowl where
that you're write before and if they were to start,
they could potentially start that week at Pebble Beach and
do the Super Bowl on Phoenix, because they always finish
the Super Bowl before that game starts. And the rationale
behind this is is that there's too much college and
pro football going on in January to where people care
(00:55):
that much about the Sony the Century Tournament of Champions,
the American Express and Tory Pines. Well, I would disagree
with that because both the Century before it got canceled
this year because of course conditions and Sony are usually
in prime time, So after football on a Sunday or
a Saturday, you can watch golf at eight or nine
(01:16):
o'clock at night because it's four or five hours earlier
in Hawaii. I am. I think the golf fan wants
to watch golf, and I don't think the average non
golfan is significant enough unless Tiger's playing to where that's
going to make a big difference in the television viewers
(01:37):
and the interest in the event. I just hope we
don't lose tournaments, because there is a lot of talk
about at least one of the Texas tournaments going away.
My guess would be as long as Valero is sponsoring
the Valero Texas Open, they would stay. Valero is a
big time when you lead the when you're either one
or two in terms of tournament giving. As far as
(02:00):
charity is concerned for the last ten twelve years or
even longer than that, that usually has some clouts. So
hopefully we keep our event, and it's hopefully it's the
week before the Masters. But twenty twenty seven, I believe
is the last year of that ten year deal that
Valerio signed a few years back. So I'm kind of
curious as to what the Texas events have. The Nelson
(02:23):
has had a hard time finding a golf course and
Colonial has had a hard time keeping a sponsor over
the last several years.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Andy, you're certainly closer to it than I am as
far as you know, paying attention to what the what
the PGA Tour does. Yeah, I really enjoy the Hawaii events.
That's events that I always watch. I've played the Plantation
Course at Capaloo a handful of times and know it,
so I always enjoy watching players that are better than
me play it, and it's it's fun fun to see that,
(02:51):
and it's fun to see it at seven, eight, nine
o'clock at night, which pretty awesome too. The PGA Tour
obviously knows what they're doing. They're a big money making
machine and TV contracts and viewership means a lot. But
golf has never been more popular, So I'm surprised that
that doesn't kind of counterbalance football star less right in consolidating,
(03:13):
I get that all the players don't want to play
as much and they want to play for more, so
let's just shrink the fields, and it just seems weird
to me.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I just wish there was more of it. Well, here's
one of the things I've always looked at. If you
take a field of one hundred and forty four golfers.
And I'll use Corey Connors as an example. When he
burst on the scene, he was a Monday qualifier and
won the Valero Texas Open back when he first won,
and he would not even be in a field if
the field was less than one forty four. Even if
(03:41):
it was one hundred and twenty eight or one hundred
and fourteen, he would have he likely would have not
been in the field because there may not even been
a Monday qualifier. And if you're going to make every
tournament eighty to one hundred players, you're taking out a story.
And Corey's now become probably a top twenty player in
the world, probably the best Canadian player as part and
(04:03):
part of the and the best player on their international
team for the President's Cup. So here's a story that
doesn't happen if you don't have that one twenty eight
to one forty four field, which most of the spring
events have the majors and the players have one hundred
and fifty six and so that and that's where you
kind of have to cap it because you can't get
more than one hundred and fifty six around unless you're
(04:23):
playing on multiple golf courses. I think Pebble Beach has
two hundred and eight, but you're playing on three golf
courses and then you're cutting it to the final day
to play play at Pebble. And in years past it
was the same thing with the American Express, the old
you know, the one in the deserts, So they would
play on three golf courses and cut it down to
one course on the last day to where you can
(04:45):
you can get everybody around. But to me, one of
the things that the PGA Tour and every single one
of its members was critical of live was you're only
playing with fifty four players. And so immediately, not within
a couple of years of that, they took Riviera and
Arnold Palmer and a handful of these other signature events
(05:07):
and made them eighty man fields. Yeah, I want to
see the best eighty players in the world, but I'd
also like to see somebody that I don't know come
up and surprise somebody, because that's that person could become
a somebody by getting a springboard through a win. And
the difference between one and one forty four saying a
college basketball is a lot. The difference between one and
(05:29):
one forty four and the PGA Tour isn't that much.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
They they've really been talking the last few years about
how the guys playing the lower level tours don't make
a whole lot of money. So now you're just basically
saying there's only going to be eighty guys that make money, right,
and they'll make a lot, and then there'll be all
the other guys that are I shouldn't say struggling, because
if you're if you're eighty one to probably two hundred,
you're probably doing some guys just great. But yeah, I
(05:54):
agree with you. You you don't see the surprises and
the quote unquote no names is off and as you.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Might and then you look at that means that more
players go to Europe to play, or Asia to play,
to work their way onto the PGA Tour if the
fields are shorter. And I don't think Live is going away.
I don't think we're going to see a merger unless
we were all wrong about something we all thought when
Live happened and started three years ago and then two
(06:22):
years ago we're going to have a merger. That the
Saudis have an unlimited bank account and they don't care
if they lose to a billion dollars a year, and
not because there's ten trillion in oil sitting under their ground.
So at some point if they don't get an ROI
because everybody, at some point says I need to get
something out of this investment. And apparently the last two
(06:43):
years Live is lost over a half a billion dollars
a year. At what point are the powers that be
in Saudi Arabia go, Okay, this isn't working. This isn't
Formula one, this isn't Championship wrestling, this isn't soccer. The
golfers aren't coming. Jose Ballistaire, it was the top amateur
golfer in the world, went live and won the Saudi
(07:04):
Invitational this past week. And the only reason I knew
that is because I got a notice on it on
a notification on a golf app that I'm on. I
didn't see it on Golf Channel for a couple of days.
I didn't see it on golf dot Com. I didn't
see it on Golf Week. The Lift Tour doesn't get
media coverage like other golf events do. And so good
(07:25):
for Jose. He won a bunch of money and he'll
be set for life now because of what Live gave him,
but he's playing an insignificant tournament in an insignificant place
as far as golf is concerned. And I just think
the Saudi's at some point got to go, Hey, this
guy won and nobody cared. What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Is Battlestar the guy that took the leak at Augusta National? Yes, classy, right,
you're right. I'm really curious to see what happens when
John Rahm and Bryson D. Chambeau and Brooks Koepka, not
that he's such a household name anymore, but when they're
con tracks expire with Live, because I get the feeling
(08:03):
that both Ram and Deshamba would like to play on
the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They like to pick and choose where they play. Yeah,
And I think the sticking point is is that Live
wants it's players to play all fourteen events or thirteen
of the fourteen, and the PGA Tour wants you to
play fifteen, and that's thirty tournaments, and there's no one
playing thirty tournaments. Now. The majors all would count as
far as their standings are concerned, but other than Sung
(08:27):
JM and Tom Kim, nobody's playing twenty six to thirty
five tournaments. Those guys do play a lot of golf
because that's what they do. They're single, and they don't care,
and they're just gonna go make some money each week.
So they kind of look at it. I'm gonna be
playing golf at home for my buddies for one hundred
bucks a hole, or I can go play whatever golf
tournament and the purse is seven million dollars. So that's
(08:47):
what their mindset is. I just I got a feeling
that at some point the Saudi's are going to say
this model doesn't work, and then maybe the merger happens.
But until that day comes, the leverage is still with
the saudiast because they have the most money.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I think those guys are locked up with Live through
twenty twenty six. But let's just say twenty twenty seven
rolls around, does the PGA Tour let Ram and Deschambeau
back to play.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
One of the things I would look at is if
Live could come up and say, okay, you can forget
to get rid of this team concept. Nobody cares this
whole idea of I mean, the d Chambeau and Mickelson
say this is so great that my team won.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You may care, nobody else in the world cares.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Teams matter in the Ryder Cup and the president's cuffing
the walker comes exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
That's it. We're playing team golf in three events a year,
and they're international and there's no money on the line,
So forget about that. But if you go back to
individual events only and say, okay, if you're a live golfer,
you can play four majors, and let's say four to
six live events, and if you're a PGA Tour player,
(09:53):
you can play ten to twelve and maybe you get
the best players in the world to play together a
little bit more. A lot of people want to put
an asterisk besides Scotty Scheffler, he can only beat the
guys that are in front of him. Would his record
be the same if Rom and Keepko were playing, and
maybe D Chambeau, who knows, maybe they we don't, will
never know, because but you would have to think that
(10:15):
Rom and d Schambeau would win a tournament here and there.
But to me, the live golf has two or three stars,
maybe six stars, and the rest are rank and file golfers,
whereas the PGA Tour has, really it's Scotty and Rory's
tour right now, but it has another twenty five to
thirty guys that you've heard of most of the sports fan,
(10:38):
not the golf fan. It's never heard of Jose Balistaik
or could care less until he wins a major, or
wins the Arnold Palmer or wins Jack's Tournament. But I
just hope the PGA Tour doesn't become live with short fields,
with a shorter season and less golf. I know the
main golfers, the big time golfers don't want to play
in the fall. Well guess what, they're not playing in
(10:59):
the all right now? Anyway, let them have three months off.
But the rest of us want to see golf, and
the rest of us want to play golf so we
can make money, So we can be one of those guys.
And we've got to figure out a way for that
opportunity to exist. Amen, all right, we're going to talk
about a tip that that we're going to give you Scotty,
Rory and who else. In twenty twenty five. We had
the Skins game yesterday and Justin Thomas is coming off
(11:22):
of a surgery we'll talk about all that coming up
on the ticket.
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