November 8, 2025 • 10 mins
The reasons behind the change to a 72-hole format
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, it's eight seventeen. It's the Golf Show on
the ticket. We'll get to some tips here with Joe
here in the next segment. Live Golf made some news
this week. They're going to seventy two holes. So do
they have to change their name from LIV to l
XXII the Lexi Tour of situor here's a little insider note.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Terrell Hatton, who plays on.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The Live Tour, said they pulled all forty eight of
the regulars who play in this and only three of
the forty eight wanted to switch to seventy two holes.
Oh well, but the guy that's running it, and I
guess the Saudi's also said this is the only way
we have a chance to get official World Golf rankings.
I don't care if you play fifty four or you
play seventy two, or you play one hundred and forty four.
(00:48):
The problem is you only have forty eight people or
fifty four people in your field, and about half of
them no one's ever heard of. To me, that's the
biggest reason why they're not getting World Golf ranking points.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Any other reasons.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, it's political, all right, let's just say the way
it is it's very political. I think that I get
to fifty, you know, the field isn't one or one
twenty or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And now six PGA tour events only have eighty in them.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, so I can see if I see the future
with live and it continues moving forward, which everybody keeps saying, well,
they're losing money, and they're losing here, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And five hundred millions a lot, but not to a
guy that's got two trillion in the bank.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, I think whether they say three hundred and something
trillion underneath the ground.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, So I think that.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
The the what you're finding is, I think pretty soon
they're going to go to one hundred players in the
next couple of years and that will.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So do the hundred players go from the PGA tour
or do they just get unto their hundred players they're
then they're fifty players.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well so they're they're corn Ferry Tours, the Asian Tour, right,
And what you're going to find is the Australians are
not coming over here anymore. Cost so much too far
until well until the corn Ferry Tour isn't a tour
where you go broke right, all right, so even if
you finished in the twentieth you're not you're barely scraping by.
(02:24):
So I think when you get to the corner the
corn Ferry Tour you watch, it's gonna be pressured to
push that money forward to make at least six hundred
thousand first, because the Asian Tour is nine hundred and
something right.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And understand that even if you're staying at a cutread hotel,
you know, if you're like the you know, the Marriott,
it's like a residence in it's not a four seasons
or something like that. You know, even if it's one
hundred and forty dollars a night, one hundred fifty dollars
a night, you're there for a week.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, So that's a thousand dollars you're.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Spending on your hotel room and you're you're and they're
not being a courtesy car to every player that shows
up on the corn Ferry Tour like they do at
the PGA level PGA Tour level, and so the expenses
are what I would guess three four thousand dollars a
week at least.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
You know, without caddy and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But you may get a little bit of food at
the golf course, but at six o'clock you're gonna probably
go with outdate again.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Right, it's very expensive to play, and I think that
what you're gonna find the LIFT Tour is gonna be
a lot of I believe is going to be the
European You're gonna have more Euros, You're gonna have more Australians,
you canna have all the Asians. I think that's what
that tour might end up as all right as time
(03:41):
goes on, because why come all the way over here,
right and play for less? So it's like they're going
to if they get world ranking points.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So the PGA Tour is gonna have to fund the
corn Faery Tour and probably the other satellite tours that
they sponsor. The Latin American Tour, there's going to have
more funding for that in order to keep them.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
With those players off of Lift.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
If this continues moving forward, and if Live does get
world ranking points, where are you going? I mean, you
get the world ranking points, you can go play the Major.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And here's the other thing I would look at too,
that if you're a corn Ferry Tour player, that's kind
of on the bubble you don't really you don't really
have status either place. And in the past when you
were trying to be a pro, you went to Africa
and Australia and all over the all over the world.
Why would I go all over the world when I
(04:40):
can play at thirteen or fourteen events on Lyft.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Nick Flanagan told me, he goes, look, Joe, you're not
going to see any Australians come over here.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He goes, are you ever see the Americans going to
the DP Tour or the Australasian Tour?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I think what you're going to find if again, if
it continues moving forward very you're going to have the
PGA Tour, which is it's going to be all American
and maybe a few and then the live will be
the rest. Right, That's just my just my thought, but
I keep thinking about it. It's like you could lose
(05:14):
all the great euro Australian South African. All right, when's
the last time we're seen a great South Africa? We
have one all right on the PGA Tour, I believe,
And that's it. And I think the reason I'm being
told is it's so expensive to come over here to
get your card through the corn Ferry Tour that it's
(05:37):
not worth it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But even if you were to increase the purse to
six hundred thousand, eighteen percent is what they pay the winner,
So that's basically the first place first place six hundred thousand.
So you'd have to have a two million dollar event
pretty much a two point two million dollar perse in
order to be.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Able to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
So it's gonna be interested.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
That's going to be interesting, Listen. I know corn Faerries
probably getting a lot of notoriety for this, but I
don't know that the pgaight. And I know that they
give them bonus commercials and ads and things like that
on the PGA Tour, so that their investment in the
corn Fairy Tour is there. But we I always talk
(06:21):
about this with what the PGA Tour events that don't
have marquee fields, Why are fans going to show up
if none of the top twenty five players are in
the field.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I totally agree, And that's like you see, well, the
liv has maybe like fifteen guys that we know and
that could easily play over here on the PGA Tour,
and then the other forty or so who are they?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And I don't want to take anything away from don't
really know I want to take anything away from Scotti Scheffler.
He's been remarkable. But John Rahm hasn't been in a
tournament in the last year and a half that he's
played in, and not the Dustin Johnson really cares about
his golf game anymore, but he hasn't been there either.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Neither is Patrick Reid, neither is Brooks Koepka.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And I've always said the Live Tour has got about
seven or eight guys that matter the rest. They they're
good players, but they're not gonna, you know, light the
world on fire from an attendance standpoint.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
My concerns we lost the Latin Americans. Yeah, we lot.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Him and everybody again follows him.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Abraham Answer and the most popular Mexican Tour player of
all time. He lost Jouquin Neeman. And there's one more
slipping my tongue right now, but there's I mean, we
cannot continue losing the the international player. Either they're really
good South African players or are they over there They're overseas.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So here's an idea to make everybody happy, except I
don't know how you do this. Let's say that they
passer rule or I don't think they will. But would
it be a good idea for Live to say, Okay,
you only have to play in seven of the fourteen tournaments,
and the PGA Tour say you only have to play
(08:11):
in ten tournaments, not fifteen. So and you can play,
and if you're a PGA Tour player, you can play
on Live. And if you're a Lift player, you can
play on the PGA Tour. Now here's the only thing
I've and I've said this about this from the get go.
If you win the Valero Texas Open, you won a
tournament that's one hundred years old.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
If you won bay.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Hill, you want a tournament that's got Nald Palmer's name
attached to it. If you win Memorial Jack, if you
win Riviera, it's now Tiger. If you win the Byron
Nelson at least you have Byron Nelson's name attached to it.
That may not mean anything to anybody, but your legacy
grows when you win PGA Tour events, the Portland Invitational,
in the Orlando Tournament, and all these tournaments on golf
(08:56):
courses that no one's ever heard of or seen that
have no set status or history to them, I think
those meaning those Yeah, you got a nice fat paycheck,
but it doesn't do anything for your legacy unless that tournament,
you know, fifty years from now, it builds legacy. So
to me, if you're playing golf for legacy or you're
playing golf for money, that's kind of one of the
(09:17):
decisions you have to make. And Scotty always talks about,
you know, I don't play golf for money. I've got
all the money i'll ever need, but I like to
increase my legacy. So but if you're trying to make
everybody somewhat happy, because I think Bayhill and Memorial and
the Marquee events on the PGA Tour could use Bryce
(09:39):
and the Shamba in their field every now and then.
Oh yeah, and if he could play seven times a
year on or ten times, if he can stay at
PGA Tour status, Okay, you have to play ten or
twelve events, not fifteen, and in the four majors count
as part of those twelve, and then go play five
or eight or to hover many times you want to
play on live. I me looking for a way to
(10:00):
unify the tours, and I don't know if that's a
good idea or not.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't know it. They're going to have to come
up with something because it there's it's like the NFL,
there's only so many great players. Well, let's add another
team and another team in Europe had another team.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
That's pay one hundred and six players on there. Now
you're just wander down the field. Yeah, there's not enough quarterbacks,
all right. And it's the same thing with golf.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
There's only so many guys that are playing for legacy,
all right, and there's only so many guys.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
That are going to be great. I mean, there's they're
all good, but there's only a handful that are great.
All right, it's eight seventeen. It's the Golf Show on
the ticket. We'll get to some tips here with Joe
here in the next segment. Live Golf made some news
this week. They're going to seventy two holes. So do
they have to change their name from LIV to l
XXII the Lexi Tour of situor here's a little insider note.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Terrell Hatton, who plays on.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The Live Tour, said they pulled all forty eight of
the regulars who play in this and only three of
the forty eight wanted to switch to seventy two holes.
Oh well, but the guy that's running it, and I
guess the Saudi's also said this is the only way
we have a chance to get official World Golf rankings.
I don't care if you play fifty four or you
play seventy two, or you play one hundred and forty four.
(00:48):
The problem is you only have forty eight people or
fifty four people in your field, and about half of
them no one's ever heard of. To me, that's the
biggest reason why they're not getting World Golf ranking points.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Any other reasons.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, it's political, all right, let's just say the way
it is it's very political. I think that I get
to fifty, you know, the field isn't one or one
twenty or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And now six PGA tour events only have eighty in them.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, so I can see if I see the future
with live and it continues moving forward, which everybody keeps saying, well,
they're losing money, and they're losing here, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And five hundred millions a lot, but not to a
guy that's got two trillion in the bank.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, I think whether they say three hundred and something
trillion underneath the ground.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, So I think that.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
The the what you're finding is, I think pretty soon
they're going to go to one hundred players in the
next couple of years and that will.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So do the hundred players go from the PGA tour
or do they just get unto their hundred players they're
then they're fifty players.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well so they're they're corn Ferry Tours, the Asian Tour, right,
And what you're going to find is the Australians are
not coming over here anymore. Cost so much too far
until well until the corn Ferry Tour isn't a tour
where you go broke right, all right, so even if
you finished in the twentieth you're not you're barely scraping by.
(02:24):
So I think when you get to the corner the
corn Ferry Tour you watch, it's gonna be pressured to
push that money forward to make at least six hundred
thousand first, because the Asian Tour is nine hundred and
something right.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And understand that even if you're staying at a cutread hotel,
you know, if you're like the you know, the Marriott,
it's like a residence in it's not a four seasons
or something like that. You know, even if it's one
hundred and forty dollars a night, one hundred fifty dollars
a night, you're there for a week.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, yeah, So that's a thousand dollars you're.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Spending on your hotel room and you're you're and they're
not being a courtesy car to every player that shows
up on the corn Ferry Tour like they do at
the PGA level PGA Tour level, and so the expenses
are what I would guess three four thousand dollars a
week at least.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
You know, without caddy and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But you may get a little bit of food at
the golf course, but at six o'clock you're gonna probably
go with outdate again.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Right, it's very expensive to play, and I think that
what you're gonna find the LIFT Tour is gonna be
a lot of I believe is going to be the
European You're gonna have more Euros, You're gonna have more Australians,
you canna have all the Asians. I think that's what
that tour might end up as all right as time
(03:41):
goes on, because why come all the way over here,
right and play for less? So it's like they're going
to if they get world ranking points.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So the PGA Tour is gonna have to fund the
corn Faery Tour and probably the other satellite tours that
they sponsor. The Latin American Tour, there's going to have
more funding for that in order to keep them.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
With those players off of Lift.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
If this continues moving forward, and if Live does get
world ranking points, where are you going? I mean, you
get the world ranking points, you can go play the Major.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And here's the other thing I would look at too,
that if you're a corn Ferry Tour player, that's kind
of on the bubble you don't really you don't really
have status either place. And in the past when you
were trying to be a pro, you went to Africa
and Australia and all over the all over the world.
Why would I go all over the world when I
(04:40):
can play at thirteen or fourteen events on Lyft.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Nick Flanagan told me, he goes, look, Joe, you're not
going to see any Australians come over here.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He goes, are you ever see the Americans going to
the DP Tour or the Australasian Tour?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I think what you're going to find if again, if
it continues moving forward very you're going to have the
PGA Tour, which is it's going to be all American
and maybe a few and then the live will be
the rest. Right, That's just my just my thought, but
I keep thinking about it. It's like you could lose
(05:14):
all the great euro Australian South African. All right, when's
the last time we're seen a great South Africa? We
have one all right on the PGA Tour, I believe,
And that's it. And I think the reason I'm being
told is it's so expensive to come over here to
get your card through the corn Ferry Tour that it's
(05:37):
not worth it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But even if you were to increase the purse to
six hundred thousand, eighteen percent is what they pay the winner,
So that's basically the first place first place six hundred thousand.
So you'd have to have a two million dollar event
pretty much a two point two million dollar perse in
order to be.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Able to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
So it's gonna be interested.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
That's going to be interesting, Listen. I know corn Faerries
probably getting a lot of notoriety for this, but I
don't know that the pgaight. And I know that they
give them bonus commercials and ads and things like that
on the PGA Tour, so that their investment in the
corn Fairy Tour is there. But we I always talk
(06:21):
about this with what the PGA Tour events that don't
have marquee fields, Why are fans going to show up
if none of the top twenty five players are in
the field.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I totally agree, And that's like you see, well, the
liv has maybe like fifteen guys that we know and
that could easily play over here on the PGA Tour,
and then the other forty or so who are they?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And I don't want to take anything away from don't
really know I want to take anything away from Scotti Scheffler.
He's been remarkable. But John Rahm hasn't been in a
tournament in the last year and a half that he's
played in, and not the Dustin Johnson really cares about
his golf game anymore, but he hasn't been there either.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Neither is Patrick Reid, neither is Brooks Koepka.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And I've always said the Live Tour has got about
seven or eight guys that matter the rest. They they're
good players, but they're not gonna, you know, light the
world on fire from an attendance standpoint.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
My concerns we lost the Latin Americans. Yeah, we lot.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Him and everybody again follows him.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Abraham Answer and the most popular Mexican Tour player of
all time. He lost Jouquin Neeman. And there's one more
slipping my tongue right now, but there's I mean, we
cannot continue losing the the international player. Either they're really
good South African players or are they over there They're overseas.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So here's an idea to make everybody happy, except I
don't know how you do this. Let's say that they
passer rule or I don't think they will. But would
it be a good idea for Live to say, Okay,
you only have to play in seven of the fourteen tournaments,
and the PGA Tour say you only have to play
(08:11):
in ten tournaments, not fifteen. So and you can play,
and if you're a PGA Tour player, you can play
on Live. And if you're a Lift player, you can
play on the PGA Tour. Now here's the only thing
I've and I've said this about this from the get go.
If you win the Valero Texas Open, you won a
tournament that's one hundred years old.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
If you won bay.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Hill, you want a tournament that's got Nald Palmer's name
attached to it. If you win Memorial Jack, if you
win Riviera, it's now Tiger. If you win the Byron
Nelson at least you have Byron Nelson's name attached to it.
That may not mean anything to anybody, but your legacy
grows when you win PGA Tour events, the Portland Invitational,
in the Orlando Tournament, and all these tournaments on golf
(08:56):
courses that no one's ever heard of or seen that
have no set status or history to them, I think
those meaning those Yeah, you got a nice fat paycheck,
but it doesn't do anything for your legacy unless that tournament,
you know, fifty years from now, it builds legacy. So
to me, if you're playing golf for legacy or you're
playing golf for money, that's kind of one of the
(09:17):
decisions you have to make. And Scotty always talks about,
you know, I don't play golf for money. I've got
all the money i'll ever need, but I like to
increase my legacy. So but if you're trying to make
everybody somewhat happy, because I think Bayhill and Memorial and
the Marquee events on the PGA Tour could use Bryce
(09:39):
and the Shamba in their field every now and then.
Oh yeah, and if he could play seven times a
year on or ten times, if he can stay at
PGA Tour status, Okay, you have to play ten or
twelve events, not fifteen, and in the four majors count
as part of those twelve, and then go play five
or eight or to hover many times you want to
play on live. I me looking for a way to
(10:00):
unify the tours, and I don't know if that's a
good idea or not.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I don't know it. They're going to have to come
up with something because it there's it's like the NFL,
there's only so many great players. Well, let's add another
team and another team in Europe had another team.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
That's pay one hundred and six players on there. Now
you're just wander down the field. Yeah, there's not enough quarterbacks,
all right. And it's the same thing with golf.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
There's only so many guys that are playing for legacy,
all right, and there's only so many guys.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
That are going to be great. I mean, there's they're
all good, but there's only a handful that are great.
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