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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, it's eight thirty three On the Golf Show,
Andy Ever along with Joe Caruso from the Joe Cruz
Golf Academy out at San Pedro Driving Range in part three,
we were watching a little bit of the replay of
the second round of the Worldwide Technology Championship over in Cabo,
and I made the comment a lot of golfers on
the PGA Tour like to hit fades. It's if you're
(00:23):
a young player, I think you need to learn how
to draw the ball. And if you're an older player,
if you want some distance, you better draw the ball, right,
I think t.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It was best said that Hogan said it. He goes,
you got to learn how to hit a perfect draw
to be able to hit a perfect fade.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
If the only thing you can do is fade, you
can't draw it, You're just not a player.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm not much of a fader of the golf ball.
But I played at River Crossing about a month ago,
and the par five on the back nine, I guess
it's thirteen yea fourteen fourteen kind of tight, and I
hit a drive in the right side of the fairway
and two thirty six to the hole with a helping wind.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I would normally, if I could hit the drive, hit
seven wood and it would have landed about two twenty
and bounced up on the hole. But I can't cut
a seven wood that far, and the three wood is
a lot straighter face, so it's easier to cut. And
I kind of aimed at the bathroom off to the
left of the hole. I'd just hit it on a
(01:24):
line there and it just had this nice little fade
and it rolled up to about twenty feet past the
hole and almost Madie Eagle had to tap in.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Birdie.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
But I don't hit the fade very often, but I
was able to pull that one off.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You did the right thing, the one straight as face. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So the problem is that when you try to hit,
if you truly don't know how to hit a fade
and you try it one, you think the face needs
to be open to the target.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's not, and it needs to be open to the path. Yeah.
And what people do is.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
This question came up with a couple of young players
nights ago, and they'll open it and then push it
right up into the trees in front of them, or
they I'm going to cut this, and then I just
pull it and it goes over to that bathroom you're
aiming at.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, if you double cross, there's the lost ball. Take
your double and go on on. But you don't aim
at the It's not to the target. It's to the
path and a little bit of an outside in swing,
but not as much as you think you have to.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
All Right, speaking of.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Shots, here's an issue that I have and I play
with what I guess would be considered game improvement clubs,
the ping G four hundreds I guess or whatever it is,
the irons, and the ball gets in the air high.
And I tend to hit the ball high to begin with,
but there's a challenge for me when I get in
trouble and I have to hit like a low punch
(02:50):
shot back into play, because if you're not, if I'm not,
really and especially if I have to hit a cut
shot back into play, the ball gets in the air
very quickly.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So what's a good tip, a.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Good idea to keep the like if you have to
punch it out under trees, to not let the ball
jump high as as much as it does, especially for
those who play the more game improvement helping clubs.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, if you think it's a five iron, take you
four if you carry one. That's the problem, you know,
that's the that's nowadays. A lot of people don't carry
a four iron, so I don't even carry a five.
I go six to four to four hybrid.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And I hit the six iron and I'm and I
was in there was that.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It was at Brackenridge, and I had a h I
was trying to just punch it back into play because
I were by the cart path right, and I just
wanted to go one hundred and twenty yards down the
fairway and I had another one hundred and twenty to
the green. I've been okay, but I got up near
too fast, hit the tree and corimba the bumpings.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Those that those clubs are gonna, you know, game improvement
clubs like that. The ball's going to want to jump
and go straight up, all right, So you use your
imagination little bit. You be surprised what your driver can
do if they ally or allows it right. So usually
on the trail courses, we don't have a whole lot
of roughs, so it's like a lot of it could
(04:10):
be dirt because.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Of all the trees in thin grass.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Pull out your driver choke down towards the shaft and
punch it. It's not getting in the air. It's the
same with your four hybrid. You be surprised. The hybrids
don't jump, they don't get up in the air like that.
They come out like a line drive.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Sixty degree wedge sometimes is the bane of my existence,
and sometimes it's okay. But I think one of the
things that I struggle with maybe others do too, is
that we don't hit it hard enough.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
We take too easy of a swing with it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And you know, I don't really want my sixty degree
wage to go more than about seventy yards.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
That's kind of the max limit. I'm gonna hit it anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm more comfortable with it at fifty or forty, and
if I have green to work with, I'm gonna take
the fifty six. If I don't, I'm going to hit
the sixties so I can stop it quicker. But I
think sometimes you got to, at least in the back
of your mind, think that you're hitting the club a
little bit harder or with more force.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, it's what you find is the people will swing.
They'll make this big driver swing with an l wedge
and the ball rolls up the face and goes straight
up in the air instead of if you could think
three quarterback swing with a lot of with a lot
of speed and power through the ball and cut off
(05:25):
the follow through, it'll go a lot further.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It will definitely go a lot for.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I got to touch like the fifty six.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I can pick a landing area and it's and it
feels it's a comfortable shot. If I've got to stop
it on that on that spot, now I feel like
I got to hit just give that that little bit
more power through the swing, right.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I would I highly recommend to if you get to
sixty is learn how to hit you know, a three
quarterback swing to a half finish or to a three
quarter finish, but nothing that's long, right, because the ball
will go shorter. Yeah, So it's really really hard punch
shot bad yardages. My bad yardage is like one eighty
(06:07):
five to two hundred because my four hybrids, when I
hit it smoothly, it's a right about a two hundred
yard club and my six irons about a one seventy
five maybe one eighty club. If it's the conditions are right,
if I got a good wind, I can hit further, So,
if I'm one ninety, do I hammer the six iron,
ease off the four hybrid? What what's the best piece
(06:27):
of advice on no matter what your gap is, because
somebody's you're gonna have probably a gap somewhere at some point. Yeah,
it's all about your lie, all right. If you have
a really good lie, and I call a spongy lie,
smash that six iron. If the if the lie is
kind of thin, kind of really tight, all right, not
(06:49):
a whole of what I call spongy grass, all right,
then you're gonna have to take the hybrid. But if
it's if you got a nice lie and it's cushy
down there, jump on that. Sorry, you may fly a
little bit, it'll take off, You have a chance, Yeah
all right, But if it's the ball first, if it's
if it's tight lie, you're not getting it there.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, And that brings me to the other thing too
that I've learned over the years. When you're gonna jump
on the club, one of the tendencies is to sway
to kind of get that extra little hip bomp or
or power. You still have to rotate. If you sway,
you're gonna hit the ground first.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
They centered you can't move, You move, you're gonna drop
kick it in there.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, you're gonna hit the big ball first, not the
little one.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
About two years ago I switched to a even roll putter,
and the ball rolls amazingly off the club face with that,
With that putter, uh, and the way I determine how
the ball rolls as I line up every putt with
the side stamp where it says, you know, pro V
one X or whatever side stamp of the golf ball.
I line that up to my attended line of target.
(07:56):
And when I'm putting, well, I'm able to find a
way to match speed and pa or pace and direction, slope,
whatever you want to look at. But man, last week
I could not figure that out. And the greens were
perfect at Brackenridge last week that they were really good.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
But I had thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Five puts after eating thirteen greens in regulation and I
didn't think I hit a bad put the whole day.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
They just didn't go in.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, you know, putting is very interesting. People don't under
There's one big thing that people don't practice, and it's
hard to practice. To be honest with you, is the
line you pick. Do you see the speed to the line?
You pick, and we have something at the academy where
(08:42):
we can roll. It's like a stint meter, right, so
we can roll balls. You pick that left edge, that's
what you see, and we start rolling balls off the
stint meter so that player can see the speed going
into the hole. You do ten of them and then
you back away and you let them putt.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
They have perfect speed.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's really hard to tour players. They see something all right,
they see right edge or outside whatever it may be,
and they have just a knack they hit the right speed.
But it's like Jason Days, like, yeah, I spend two
hours putting. Oh okay, well in.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
The winter he has a bad back. Right, he's been
over for two hours. Your lower back's gonna hurt.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, well, I got other thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
But the I think the the the learning how to
see the speed to the line you see is so important.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's extremely important.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Do you have a this is kind of a stick.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I think putters have always been whatever you like, whatever
feels comfortable. But is there a putter that, regardless of
the way you putt, is better than others that you've
seen out there on the market. We see so many
of the players on the PGA who are playing with
something similar to that of the spider petter.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
The reason is behind that is because of the may
you know, Mark Vlaier and those guys could probably come
up with a better answer, But I believe it's the
grooves in the face of that putter. The ball rolls
end over in right when it comes off where Scotty
believes that the ball has to get up in the air.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
A little bit and then tumble all right.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
So because the butt, no matter how you put the
ball on the green, according to Scotty, there's an indentation
that the ball is sitting.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
In Scotty Cameron right right Scotty camera.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So he believes the ball needs to be lifted a
little out of that indentation before it rolls. So like
your even roll putter, I guarantee that ball is like
rolling right off the face. It is and the same
with the spider And that's the reason why it's become
so popular is that that face. And now you have
(10:57):
the zero torque putters right, So golf, the all golf stuff, Yeah,
la golf, everybody everybody could there's a spider putter now
that's that way Odyssey has its line. And I'll tell
you what, if you got a little bit of a
yippies in your stroke, that's a great putter I've seen.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I have two clients.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
They got kind of like you got a little lightning
strikes they go through their arms and now they claim
they probably one of the best putters in their groups.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
All right, one last thing. We talked about young kids
learning the game. But one of the things where I
think instruction really helps out someone who is beginning golf
is to learn the grip. And then one of the
basic fundamentals, and that kind of starts with the grip.
The golf grip, the proper grip is not a comfortable
thing unless you do it a thousand times. And if
(11:50):
you have to unlearn something before you learn something, I
think that's even more difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's it's it.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
There was a quote one time I was told by Hogan,
he goes, it never feels the same, and you have
to know the mechanics of the grip and where it's
what it should look like when you put your hands
on the club, and mainly because of what you eat,
what you drink. All right, you could your hands could
(12:16):
be puffy the next morning. You know, you're on one
of these trips and y'all went out and had steak,
mashed potatoes and whatever, wine and something else, and you
know you played the day before, and the next day
the grip feels like it's like thick, all right, But
if you know the mechanics of how to put your
hands on there and just take a look in the
(12:37):
mirror and go that's it or here's my feel, and
go with it.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But it's extremely important.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
All right, one more segment to go, a few other
things to get to. We'll do it next.
All right, it's eight thirty three On the Golf Show,
Andy Ever along with Joe Caruso from the Joe Cruz
Golf Academy out at San Pedro Driving Range in part three,
we were watching a little bit of the replay of
the second round of the Worldwide Technology Championship over in Cabo,
and I made the comment a lot of golfers on
the PGA Tour like to hit fades. It's if you're
(00:23):
a young player, I think you need to learn how
to draw the ball. And if you're an older player,
if you want some distance, you better draw the ball, right,
I think t.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It was best said that Hogan said it. He goes,
you got to learn how to hit a perfect draw
to be able to hit a perfect fade.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
If the only thing you can do is fade, you
can't draw it, You're just not a player.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm not much of a fader of the golf ball.
But I played at River Crossing about a month ago,
and the par five on the back nine, I guess
it's thirteen yea fourteen fourteen kind of tight, and I
hit a drive in the right side of the fairway
and two thirty six to the hole with a helping wind.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I would normally, if I could hit the drive, hit
seven wood and it would have landed about two twenty
and bounced up on the hole. But I can't cut
a seven wood that far, and the three wood is
a lot straighter face, so it's easier to cut. And
I kind of aimed at the bathroom off to the
left of the hole. I'd just hit it on a
(01:24):
line there and it just had this nice little fade
and it rolled up to about twenty feet past the
hole and almost Madie Eagle had to tap in.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Birdie.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
But I don't hit the fade very often, but I
was able to pull that one off.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You did the right thing, the one straight as face. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So the problem is that when you try to hit,
if you truly don't know how to hit a fade
and you try it one, you think the face needs
to be open to the target.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's not, and it needs to be open to the path. Yeah.
And what people do is.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
This question came up with a couple of young players
nights ago, and they'll open it and then push it
right up into the trees in front of them, or
they I'm going to cut this, and then I just
pull it and it goes over to that bathroom you're
aiming at.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, if you double cross, there's the lost ball. Take
your double and go on on. But you don't aim
at the It's not to the target. It's to the
path and a little bit of an outside in swing,
but not as much as you think you have to.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
All Right, speaking of.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Shots, here's an issue that I have and I play
with what I guess would be considered game improvement clubs,
the ping G four hundreds I guess or whatever it is,
the irons, and the ball gets in the air high.
And I tend to hit the ball high to begin with,
but there's a challenge for me when I get in
trouble and I have to hit like a low punch
(02:50):
shot back into play, because if you're not, if I'm not,
really and especially if I have to hit a cut
shot back into play, the ball gets in the air
very quickly.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So what's a good tip, a.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Good idea to keep the like if you have to
punch it out under trees, to not let the ball
jump high as as much as it does, especially for
those who play the more game improvement helping clubs.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, if you think it's a five iron, take you
four if you carry one. That's the problem, you know,
that's the that's nowadays. A lot of people don't carry
a four iron, so I don't even carry a five.
I go six to four to four hybrid.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And I hit the six iron and I'm and I
was in there was that.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It was at Brackenridge, and I had a h I
was trying to just punch it back into play because
I were by the cart path right, and I just
wanted to go one hundred and twenty yards down the
fairway and I had another one hundred and twenty to
the green. I've been okay, but I got up near
too fast, hit the tree and corimba the bumpings.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Those that those clubs are gonna, you know, game improvement
clubs like that. The ball's going to want to jump
and go straight up, all right, So you use your
imagination little bit. You be surprised what your driver can
do if they ally or allows it right. So usually
on the trail courses, we don't have a whole lot
of roughs, so it's like a lot of it could
(04:10):
be dirt because.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Of all the trees in thin grass.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Pull out your driver choke down towards the shaft and
punch it. It's not getting in the air. It's the
same with your four hybrid. You be surprised. The hybrids
don't jump, they don't get up in the air like that.
They come out like a line drive.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Sixty degree wedge sometimes is the bane of my existence,
and sometimes it's okay. But I think one of the
things that I struggle with maybe others do too, is
that we don't hit it hard enough.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
We take too easy of a swing with it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And you know, I don't really want my sixty degree
wage to go more than about seventy yards.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
That's kind of the max limit. I'm gonna hit it anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I'm more comfortable with it at fifty or forty, and
if I have green to work with, I'm gonna take
the fifty six. If I don't, I'm going to hit
the sixties so I can stop it quicker. But I
think sometimes you got to, at least in the back
of your mind, think that you're hitting the club a
little bit harder or with more force.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, it's what you find is the people will swing.
They'll make this big driver swing with an l wedge
and the ball rolls up the face and goes straight
up in the air instead of if you could think
three quarterback swing with a lot of with a lot
of speed and power through the ball and cut off
(05:25):
the follow through, it'll go a lot further.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It will definitely go a lot for.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I got to touch like the fifty six.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I can pick a landing area and it's and it
feels it's a comfortable shot. If I've got to stop
it on that on that spot, now I feel like
I got to hit just give that that little bit
more power through the swing, right.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I would I highly recommend to if you get to
sixty is learn how to hit you know, a three
quarterback swing to a half finish or to a three
quarter finish, but nothing that's long, right, because the ball
will go shorter. Yeah, So it's really really hard punch
shot bad yardages. My bad yardage is like one eighty
(06:07):
five to two hundred because my four hybrids, when I
hit it smoothly, it's a right about a two hundred
yard club and my six irons about a one seventy
five maybe one eighty club. If it's the conditions are right,
if I got a good wind, I can hit further, So,
if I'm one ninety, do I hammer the six iron,
ease off the four hybrid? What what's the best piece
(06:27):
of advice on no matter what your gap is, because
somebody's you're gonna have probably a gap somewhere at some point. Yeah,
it's all about your lie, all right. If you have
a really good lie, and I call a spongy lie,
smash that six iron. If the if the lie is
kind of thin, kind of really tight, all right, not
(06:49):
a whole of what I call spongy grass, all right,
then you're gonna have to take the hybrid. But if
it's if you got a nice lie and it's cushy
down there, jump on that. Sorry, you may fly a
little bit, it'll take off, You have a chance, Yeah
all right, But if it's the ball first, if it's
if it's tight lie, you're not getting it there.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, And that brings me to the other thing too
that I've learned over the years. When you're gonna jump
on the club, one of the tendencies is to sway
to kind of get that extra little hip bomp or
or power. You still have to rotate. If you sway,
you're gonna hit the ground first.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
They centered you can't move, You move, you're gonna drop
kick it in there.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah, you're gonna hit the big ball first, not the
little one.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
All right.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
About two years ago I switched to a even roll putter,
and the ball rolls amazingly off the club face with that,
With that putter, uh, and the way I determine how
the ball rolls as I line up every putt with
the side stamp where it says, you know, pro V
one X or whatever side stamp of the golf ball.
I line that up to my attended line of target.
(07:56):
And when I'm putting, well, I'm able to find a
way to match speed and pa or pace and direction, slope,
whatever you want to look at. But man, last week
I could not figure that out. And the greens were
perfect at Brackenridge last week that they were really good.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
But I had thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Five puts after eating thirteen greens in regulation and I
didn't think I hit a bad put the whole day.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
They just didn't go in.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, you know, putting is very interesting. People don't under
There's one big thing that people don't practice, and it's
hard to practice. To be honest with you, is the
line you pick. Do you see the speed to the line?
You pick, and we have something at the academy where
(08:42):
we can roll. It's like a stint meter, right, so
we can roll balls. You pick that left edge, that's
what you see, and we start rolling balls off the
stint meter so that player can see the speed going
into the hole. You do ten of them and then
you back away and you let them putt.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
They have perfect speed.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
It's really hard to tour players. They see something all right,
they see right edge or outside whatever it may be,
and they have just a knack they hit the right speed.
But it's like Jason Days, like, yeah, I spend two
hours putting. Oh okay, well in.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
The winter he has a bad back. Right, he's been
over for two hours. Your lower back's gonna hurt.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, well, I got other thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
But the I think the the the learning how to
see the speed to the line you see is so important.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's extremely important.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Do you have a this is kind of a stick.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I think putters have always been whatever you like, whatever
feels comfortable. But is there a putter that, regardless of
the way you putt, is better than others that you've
seen out there on the market. We see so many
of the players on the PGA who are playing with
something similar to that of the spider petter.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
The reason is behind that is because of the may
you know, Mark Vlaier and those guys could probably come
up with a better answer, But I believe it's the
grooves in the face of that putter. The ball rolls
end over in right when it comes off where Scotty
believes that the ball has to get up in the air.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
A little bit and then tumble all right.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
So because the butt, no matter how you put the
ball on the green, according to Scotty, there's an indentation
that the ball is sitting.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
In Scotty Cameron right right Scotty camera.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So he believes the ball needs to be lifted a
little out of that indentation before it rolls. So like
your even roll putter, I guarantee that ball is like
rolling right off the face. It is and the same
with the spider And that's the reason why it's become
so popular is that that face. And now you have
(10:57):
the zero torque putters right, So golf, the all golf stuff, Yeah,
la golf, everybody everybody could there's a spider putter now
that's that way Odyssey has its line. And I'll tell
you what, if you got a little bit of a
yippies in your stroke, that's a great putter I've seen.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I have two clients.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
They got kind of like you got a little lightning
strikes they go through their arms and now they claim
they probably one of the best putters in their groups.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
All right, one last thing. We talked about young kids
learning the game. But one of the things where I
think instruction really helps out someone who is beginning golf
is to learn the grip. And then one of the
basic fundamentals, and that kind of starts with the grip.
The golf grip, the proper grip is not a comfortable
thing unless you do it a thousand times. And if
(11:50):
you have to unlearn something before you learn something, I
think that's even more difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's it's it.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
There was a quote one time I was told by Hogan,
he goes, it never feels the same, and you have
to know the mechanics of the grip and where it's
what it should look like when you put your hands
on the club, and mainly because of what you eat,
what you drink. All right, you could your hands could
(12:16):
be puffy the next morning. You know, you're on one
of these trips and y'all went out and had steak,
mashed potatoes and whatever, wine and something else, and you
know you played the day before, and the next day
the grip feels like it's like thick, all right, But
if you know the mechanics of how to put your
hands on there and just take a look in the
(12:37):
mirror and go that's it or here's my feel, and
go with it.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But it's extremely important.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
All right, one more segment to go, a few other
things to get to. We'll do it next.
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