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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's the all show on the ticket. Interesting stat that
Randal Shambley brought up the other day on Live From
about Roy McElroy and I concur with this, and I'm
going to take you back. I've mentioned this a million times,
but in twenty eighteen, when Tiger won the Tour Championship,
the last day, he was playing with Roy McElroy and
(00:24):
Tiger beat him by four or five shots, and Rory
was driving it past Tiger by fifty yards on some holes,
and Tiger's seven and eight irons were closer to the
pin than Roy's wedges. And I made the comment, then,
if Roy doesn't become a better wedge player, the power
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Andy, does that remind you of late nineties on the reverse?
Oh yeah, sure, where Tiger is hitting past everyone but
couldn't wedge it very closely.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Because he couldn't control the distances with his wedges. And
Tiger learned to control distance with wedges. And Rory was
not a really good putter by PGA Tour standards. They're
all good as good putters by anybody else's standards, or
they wouldn't be out there. But the stat that Brandle
brought up is that his proximity of the whole is
much better than it's ever been, and that a couple
(01:12):
of years ago. He was right before we started working
with Brad faxon that he was around one seventieth in
the tour in strokes game putting, and the last year
or so and at the Masters, and even last year
with the miss putts at the US Open, he's turned
that into strokes game putting kind of on the average
around the fifth best on tour. So if you can't
put on the PGA Tour by PGA Tour standards, you
(01:36):
know good, you're not gonna win a lot off tournaments.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, it just shows that people have to continue to evolve.
Rory hits it miles. He doesn't always hit it miles
right down the middle. But now that his putting's better,
it's it's why he's winning more often.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, and if you miss a green, you think, well,
I can get this up and down. Even if I've
got a five footer, I'm gonna make it. If you're putting, well,
if you miss a green and you're put in your
one seventieth, you're like, oh my goodness, now I gotta
chip this in or I'm not going to make the putt,
and so you put so much pressure on the rest
of your game when you're putting doesn't work. So I
think that's that's kind of part of it as well.
(02:10):
All Right. I saw another tip the other day that
I did not know, but after I watched the tip,
and I'm going to try to explain this because it's
kind of hard to illustrate. I was watching a lot
of these players. I was watching Tommy Fleetwood do this today.
That a lot of people when they're hitting a wedge,
amateur players especially, kind of roll their wrists at impact.
(02:31):
And if you look at the club when it's finished,
the club is shut down and facing the ground, and
a lot of the most of the PGA tour players
when they hit a shot, as they come up and
hold the finish the club, the face of the club
is pointing directly back at them. Have you ever heard
of that of that tip?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Tell me more. Well, it's it's it's kind of swinging
the club to the left and bringing the club more
up instead of instead of coming through with impact and
rolling your wrists, which a lot of people do to
make the ball go left or or manipulate the club,
especially with the wedges and the very very short irons,
the club comes up in the face of the club
(03:12):
is pointing back towards the player instead of at the ground.
And I was watching Tommy Fleetwood hit a couple of
wedg shots today and his face is perfect, just like
the tip showed. So I think that's something that maybe
we're not doing right. Well, I'll have to talk to
my instructor buddies.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
But you know, in years gone past, especially with the
shorter shots, it was always I have a glass of
champagne on your wedge faced, you know, as you release
the shot or you hit through the shot, So coiling
that back around it seems a little contradictory to that,
But I'll definitely follow.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Up on it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, I'm gonna look into see if I can find
some video of that to kind of illustrate it, and
we'll talk about that here in the in the next
few few weeks. You mentioned that we mentioned that the
Ryder Cup is going to be get Hazel teen in
twenty twenty nine. You ever play there?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I have, I've not played there. Been there a handful
of times for some different things. The US Open in
nineteen ninety one. I'm dating myself a little bit, but
I was out there for an agronomy deal. My wife
and I have a friend that's an instructor there, and
like I said, my parents live like just a couple
miles down the road. But I'm sure when the chance
that comes, I'll get out there and play.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
When golfers travel around the country, and Bernhard Longer was
one of the first to do this, but now everybody
kind of does it. Is you know, their golf bag
may have thirty clubs in it when it's on the airplane,
which means it's probably overweight, but still they have a
lot of clubs in there, and then they take out
what they don't want depending on what they test on
the conditions. And a lot of people were switching out
(04:42):
their wedges for this event, going from a sixty degree
with maybe eight to ten or twelve degrees abounts to
one with four or a fifty six degree wedge with
fourteen degrees abounds down to ten. Now I'm one that
I'm not gonna have time to practice with a new
abounce and get the ideas with that. I don't think
a lot of amateurs are, and I typically like to
(05:04):
play with a lot of bounce, but that if you
know what you're doing, that may make sense with the
tight lights that you're going to have over in Scotland
and in Ireland.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well, those guys playing so many different types of courses
with different types of conditions, different types of grass. I know,
you typically play the trail courses and they're typically going
to be a little bit firmer, So the different bounce options,
you know, I would say it makes sense for the
different types of grass in firmness.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I was always taught in fittings that bounces your friend
if you know what to do with it. And when
I first started playing, we didn't even know how much
bounce was on the club. I think I had an
R ninety sand wedge with a brown shaft in it,
or a ram wedge that was popular back in the seventies.
And as we know, Cleveland was the first to kind
of start the wedge selection process and Tidelist and Paing
(05:55):
and others now have it as well. But I've always
learned how to get the golf ball first off of
tight lies, and if you can hit the golf ball first,
you're probably going to have more success regardless of what
bounces on the club.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah. I think it's almost a situation where you get
paralysis by analysis. You know, too many options, you know,
it gives you too much of a chance to wander.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The other thing that I found interesting is that there's
a lot of players on the tour that carry a
seven wood, and there's a few out there that have
put a nine wood in the bag recently. Nine woods
are really popular on the LPGA Tour, but several golfers
playing the Open Championship took those clubs out of the
bag and put in driving irons, twos and three irons
because they got to hit the ball low in the
(06:36):
wind and they got to get the ball running on
the fairways. Now, I think the twos and three irons,
unless you get a game improvement, two or three iron
is hard to hit. They obviously swing fast enough to
get it done, but is there Would you ever recommend
that an amateur player, and probably one that has to
have a little bit of speed play with the driving
irons or the longer iron, so even the game improvement.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Ones, no, not at all. I've got to be borderline
elite to utilize that club and hit it properly. Where
I've seen a lot of good players that are hitting
seven woods, so there's a reason that those clubs exist.
I think the latest trend that I've seen on the
tour is a lot of these guys have gone to
what they call these mini drivers. Yes, and it's a
twelve degree driver face or driver head with a half
(07:20):
an inch shorter shaft. Two wood, well yeah, maybe one
and a half and they hit it two seventy five.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I can remember the first set of clubs that my
dad had that he quit playing with, and basically in
the closet, I think the brand was Gene Littler. It
was Jean Littler, a driver, and it had a driver,
two wood, three wood, and four wood, and the two
wood was basically just a piece of wood that was
a little bit higher lofted and a little bit shorter
shaft than the driver. Back then, they played with forty
three inch drivers, and so the two wood might be
(07:50):
forty two in a quarter or whatever, and the three
wood might be forty two. But basically all the clubs
look the same. They were just lofted a little bit low.
That's exactly right. Yeah, All right, are you gonna bet
against Scotty this week? Or is this his tournament to lose.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I never bet against somebody, but I always bet for
the underdogs. But I'm fine with whoever wins as long
as it's competitive.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And Brian Harmon, we didn't mention him, but he won
the Open. A couple of years ago. He fought up
with by winning the BLO Texas Open, and here he
is again, back in contention.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Gritty in San Antonio earlier this spring, He's probably gonna
be gritty in Ireland this weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
All right, Andrew, thanks so much. We'll see you again
next month and enjoy your time and your golf and
all that kind of stuff, and we'll be out on
the trail very soon.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Thanks. Andy, appreciate all you do.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
All right, that's Andrew Peterson. That's today's Golf Show. Enjoy
the Open. See you next Saturday. It's the Golf Show
on the Ticket.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You've been listening to The Golf Show on Sports Radio
AM seven sixty. The Ticket brought to you by MK
Golf Tech, Joe Caruso's Golf Academy and by Alamo City
Golf Trail. We'll tee it up again next Saturday morning
at eight with another edition of the Golf Show. Exclusively
on sports Radio Am seven sixty The Ticket.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You've been listening to the podcast version of The Golf
Show on Sports Radio AM seven sixty The Tickets join
us again next time for another edition of The Golf
Show
It's the all show on the ticket. Interesting stat that
Randal Shambley brought up the other day on Live From
about Roy McElroy and I concur with this, and I'm
going to take you back. I've mentioned this a million times,
but in twenty eighteen, when Tiger won the Tour Championship,
the last day, he was playing with Roy McElroy and
(00:24):
Tiger beat him by four or five shots, and Rory
was driving it past Tiger by fifty yards on some holes,
and Tiger's seven and eight irons were closer to the
pin than Roy's wedges. And I made the comment, then,
if Roy doesn't become a better wedge player, the power
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Andy, does that remind you of late nineties on the reverse?
Oh yeah, sure, where Tiger is hitting past everyone but
couldn't wedge it very closely.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Because he couldn't control the distances with his wedges. And
Tiger learned to control distance with wedges. And Rory was
not a really good putter by PGA Tour standards. They're
all good as good putters by anybody else's standards, or
they wouldn't be out there. But the stat that Brandle
brought up is that his proximity of the whole is
much better than it's ever been, and that a couple
(01:12):
of years ago. He was right before we started working
with Brad faxon that he was around one seventieth in
the tour in strokes game putting, and the last year
or so and at the Masters, and even last year
with the miss putts at the US Open, he's turned
that into strokes game putting kind of on the average
around the fifth best on tour. So if you can't
put on the PGA Tour by PGA Tour standards, you
(01:36):
know good, you're not gonna win a lot off tournaments.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, it just shows that people have to continue to evolve.
Rory hits it miles. He doesn't always hit it miles
right down the middle. But now that his putting's better,
it's it's why he's winning more often.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, and if you miss a green, you think, well,
I can get this up and down. Even if I've
got a five footer, I'm gonna make it. If you're putting, well,
if you miss a green and you're put in your
one seventieth, you're like, oh my goodness, now I gotta
chip this in or I'm not going to make the putt,
and so you put so much pressure on the rest
of your game when you're putting doesn't work. So I
think that's that's kind of part of it as well.
(02:10):
All Right. I saw another tip the other day that
I did not know, but after I watched the tip,
and I'm going to try to explain this because it's
kind of hard to illustrate. I was watching a lot
of these players. I was watching Tommy Fleetwood do this today.
That a lot of people when they're hitting a wedge,
amateur players especially, kind of roll their wrists at impact.
(02:31):
And if you look at the club when it's finished,
the club is shut down and facing the ground, and
a lot of the most of the PGA tour players
when they hit a shot, as they come up and
hold the finish the club, the face of the club
is pointing directly back at them. Have you ever heard
of that of that tip?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Tell me more. Well, it's it's it's kind of swinging
the club to the left and bringing the club more
up instead of instead of coming through with impact and
rolling your wrists, which a lot of people do to
make the ball go left or or manipulate the club,
especially with the wedges and the very very short irons,
the club comes up in the face of the club
(03:12):
is pointing back towards the player instead of at the ground.
And I was watching Tommy Fleetwood hit a couple of
wedg shots today and his face is perfect, just like
the tip showed. So I think that's something that maybe
we're not doing right. Well, I'll have to talk to
my instructor buddies.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
But you know, in years gone past, especially with the
shorter shots, it was always I have a glass of
champagne on your wedge faced, you know, as you release
the shot or you hit through the shot, So coiling
that back around it seems a little contradictory to that,
But I'll definitely follow.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Up on it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, I'm gonna look into see if I can find
some video of that to kind of illustrate it, and
we'll talk about that here in the in the next
few few weeks. You mentioned that we mentioned that the
Ryder Cup is going to be get Hazel teen in
twenty twenty nine. You ever play there?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I have, I've not played there. Been there a handful
of times for some different things. The US Open in
nineteen ninety one. I'm dating myself a little bit, but
I was out there for an agronomy deal. My wife
and I have a friend that's an instructor there, and
like I said, my parents live like just a couple
miles down the road. But I'm sure when the chance
that comes, I'll get out there and play.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
When golfers travel around the country, and Bernhard Longer was
one of the first to do this, but now everybody
kind of does it. Is you know, their golf bag
may have thirty clubs in it when it's on the airplane,
which means it's probably overweight, but still they have a
lot of clubs in there, and then they take out
what they don't want depending on what they test on
the conditions. And a lot of people were switching out
(04:42):
their wedges for this event, going from a sixty degree
with maybe eight to ten or twelve degrees abounts to
one with four or a fifty six degree wedge with
fourteen degrees abounds down to ten. Now I'm one that
I'm not gonna have time to practice with a new
abounce and get the ideas with that. I don't think
a lot of amateurs are, and I typically like to
(05:04):
play with a lot of bounce, but that if you
know what you're doing, that may make sense with the
tight lights that you're going to have over in Scotland
and in Ireland.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well, those guys playing so many different types of courses
with different types of conditions, different types of grass. I know,
you typically play the trail courses and they're typically going
to be a little bit firmer, So the different bounce options,
you know, I would say it makes sense for the
different types of grass in firmness.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I was always taught in fittings that bounces your friend
if you know what to do with it. And when
I first started playing, we didn't even know how much
bounce was on the club. I think I had an
R ninety sand wedge with a brown shaft in it,
or a ram wedge that was popular back in the seventies.
And as we know, Cleveland was the first to kind
of start the wedge selection process and Tidelist and Paing
(05:55):
and others now have it as well. But I've always
learned how to get the golf ball first off of
tight lies, and if you can hit the golf ball first,
you're probably going to have more success regardless of what
bounces on the club.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah. I think it's almost a situation where you get
paralysis by analysis. You know, too many options, you know,
it gives you too much of a chance to wander.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The other thing that I found interesting is that there's
a lot of players on the tour that carry a
seven wood, and there's a few out there that have
put a nine wood in the bag recently. Nine woods
are really popular on the LPGA Tour, but several golfers
playing the Open Championship took those clubs out of the
bag and put in driving irons, twos and three irons
because they got to hit the ball low in the
(06:36):
wind and they got to get the ball running on
the fairways. Now, I think the twos and three irons,
unless you get a game improvement, two or three iron
is hard to hit. They obviously swing fast enough to
get it done, but is there Would you ever recommend
that an amateur player, and probably one that has to
have a little bit of speed play with the driving
irons or the longer iron, so even the game improvement.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Ones, no, not at all. I've got to be borderline
elite to utilize that club and hit it properly. Where
I've seen a lot of good players that are hitting
seven woods, so there's a reason that those clubs exist.
I think the latest trend that I've seen on the
tour is a lot of these guys have gone to
what they call these mini drivers. Yes, and it's a
twelve degree driver face or driver head with a half
(07:20):
an inch shorter shaft. Two wood, well yeah, maybe one
and a half and they hit it two seventy five.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I can remember the first set of clubs that my
dad had that he quit playing with, and basically in
the closet, I think the brand was Gene Littler. It
was Jean Littler, a driver, and it had a driver,
two wood, three wood, and four wood, and the two
wood was basically just a piece of wood that was
a little bit higher lofted and a little bit shorter
shaft than the driver. Back then, they played with forty
three inch drivers, and so the two wood might be
(07:50):
forty two in a quarter or whatever, and the three
wood might be forty two. But basically all the clubs
look the same. They were just lofted a little bit low.
That's exactly right. Yeah, All right, are you gonna bet
against Scotty this week? Or is this his tournament to lose.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I never bet against somebody, but I always bet for
the underdogs. But I'm fine with whoever wins as long
as it's competitive.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
And Brian Harmon, we didn't mention him, but he won
the Open. A couple of years ago. He fought up
with by winning the BLO Texas Open, and here he
is again, back in contention.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Gritty in San Antonio earlier this spring, He's probably gonna
be gritty in Ireland this weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
All right, Andrew, thanks so much. We'll see you again
next month and enjoy your time and your golf and
all that kind of stuff, and we'll be out on
the trail very soon.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Thanks. Andy, appreciate all you do.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
All right, that's Andrew Peterson. That's today's Golf Show. Enjoy
the Open. See you next Saturday. It's the Golf Show
on the Ticket.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You've been listening to The Golf Show on Sports Radio
AM seven sixty. The Ticket brought to you by MK
Golf Tech, Joe Caruso's Golf Academy and by Alamo City
Golf Trail. We'll tee it up again next Saturday morning
at eight with another edition of the Golf Show. Exclusively
on sports Radio Am seven sixty The Ticket.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
You've been listening to the podcast version of The Golf
Show on Sports Radio AM seven sixty The Tickets join
us again next time for another edition of The Golf
Show
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