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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Last week Scotti Scheffler was crowned the Open champion again.
He's a US Open shy now of being the next
golfer number seven in the Grand Slam. We still have
Phil that could win a US Open, although I don't
think he will. And we still have Jordan Speith who's
a PGA championship away from being a Grand Slam winner.
(00:23):
John Hagen joins US our resident Scottish Expert, Open Champion,
xx Open Championship Expert and many other things that we
have him on the show for. And he's out in
California today walking around beautiful Pebble Beach. Describe your scene
right now, John, where you're at.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's a deep fog, it's drizzling fifty two degrees, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yes, it's Pebble Beach weather, right.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's Pebble Beach in July, for certain. And I'm actually
right now I'm standing at the sixth Green doing a
morning walk and I'm still I'm still basking in what
Scheffler did. And I turn around and look back at
the sixth hole and I think of him making six
(01:10):
birdies on the eight par threes he played last weekend,
which says something, And I'm basking in the fact that
he's one hundred and eleven under par and major since
twenty twenty, which is forty six shots better than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, that's pretty good numbers, right there.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Boy something else.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I know we always like to make comparisons to Tiger
when somebody does something great, and I do think that
he is has that same ara right now that when
he gets in contention, he feels confident that he's going
to win. But the numbers don't lie. He's still a
lot of He's still way behind Tiger in terms of
wins and majors. But I think the one thing about
(01:50):
Scotty is that he doesn't really have a lot in
his life other than golf and family, and he's he
hangs out with the family and does the family stuff
and then he goes to work on the range. And
because of that, we may see a better mid to
late thirties and what golfers are usually in their prime
than Tiger when he started doing the navycal training and
(02:11):
he did all the other things in that what could
have been the prime of his career.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, I agree with you, and the other thing about
Scott he is he is since he's the age of two.
He said he wanted to be a pro golfer, which
means he's learned a lot of things and he's not
going to make the same mistakes that Tiger made with
his body. And I'm sure he's looking to the mid
(02:39):
thirties to maybe fifty years old being as competitive as
he is now. Tiger And the other thing you've got
to think about is Tiger was a big deal other
than his personality in his social life. But Tiger was
in a lot of trouble on golf courses and he
had the ability to make miracle shots. Scotty doesn't make
(03:03):
miracle shots because every shot he hits his whole high.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, drivers play.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, he's never out of play. It's just it's remarkable
what his level of ability is and it comes from
a demeanor, comes from his family, and he's had a
whole bunch of history with people who have gone by
the wayside because they didn't adhere to what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I think, would you think of Port Rush for the
second time as an Open championship venue? I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I love it, and I think probably the players that
I've talked to who have been on it and played
both times. They can't wait to go back. It's really
a golfer's golf course. And you mentioned earlier some of
the issues are you're going to go back to LIdM,
or you're going to consider, say going to Berwick or Sunningdale,
(03:59):
or they've they've gone through the history of hard courses
to get to think of Saint George's down in the
South that you almost need a helicopter you get there
for the tournament, but it still gets a tournament.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, I uh, they'll think the stories that I were
reading and I saw a podcast the other day talking
about Port Marnick in Dublin, and I've seen only pictures
of this Royal Saint Port's which did host an Open
Championship about one hundred years ago, and it's in the
community of Deal, which is close to Royal Saint George's
in Sandwich. What about adding other venues to the ten
(04:39):
that are currently in the open road your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I think they need to do it. It's said, it's said,
I don't want to say it's a different game, but
they want to preserve the game that Kaulf is as
we we all know it. Forget about live. But the
game that we have they want to preserve, and they're
using a couple of courses that you men sink ports.
They're using that as tune ups and it gets a
(05:05):
lot of tournaments we don't hear about, and it gets
qualifying tournaments for the Open, and those courses can stand it.
They need to. Even going up to Berwick, as difficult
as it is to maybe get up there, they need
for the betterment of golf. I think they need to
expand the ROTA, if you want to call it that,
(05:30):
and reconsider other than the old course, getting it on
a regular basis, which I think is also important. I
think they need some new blood and golf courses.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, and I understand the RNA's position on Turnberry. They
want it to be about the golf tournament. They wanted
to be about the champion golfer of the year. And
no matter what your feelings are on Trump and I've
driven that road between Glasgow and Turnberry or Prestwick and Turnberry,
there's nothing wrong with the road. You can easily get there.
(06:02):
There may be some say you're probably going to have
to close the Bruce course at Turnberry if you're going
to play there. But they don't want the tournament to
be a news story about anything other than the tournament.
And as I said, regardless of what your position is
on Trump, there's going to be protesters if they ever
host a tournament there, and that's what I think they're
trying to avoid.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, that's true. And look at Truon they close their
other golf course and use it for parking and the
rest of it. So the USGA did it at LACC
when they hit it in Los Angeles a few years ago.
So those things can be worked out. But Trump is
the problem. It is a great golf course, and also
(06:44):
you have to admit that his first golf course up
in Aberdeenshire is really a good golf course. Forget about Trump,
but it's a solid test to golf.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
He didn't design it, he just paid for it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's right. Yeah. And he's got another one that he's doing,
the naming it after his mother, and I think he's
pulling the first shovel of dirt today. As a matter
of fact on it.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Did you ever get your hundredth round on the old course?
I know you were shooting for that last year.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I did not, and it was a growth embarrassment. I
had a ligament issue with my left foot and I
had a brace on and was with my son and
a couple of his pals who are great golfers, and
they announced me on that on the first tee and
I was shaking in my boots and my brace and
(07:42):
I shanked it on the first tee and nearly took
out a spectator along the walkway on the right. It
was the most embarrassing thing in my life.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You know, I've only hit it. I've played the golf
course six times now, and the only time I've hit
iron off that tee is when i had to because
the wind was so strong behind us. I didn't want
it to run into the burn. But I I typically
hit three woods, seven wood, you know, maybe a butt
(08:13):
driver if it's into the wind, something like that, because
I don't want to shake it into the crowd because
there's a lot of people watching you on that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
First all that's right, and you know you want to
kiss the holy grail and you wanted to do it perfect.
And I've hit two five irons on that or two
four irons in that thing during There's no humility in
whatever club you've got in your hand. But I'll be
out there another month and a half, so I'll try again,
(08:43):
and I'll go without blinders.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
There you go. I played it. That was the last
spot on our trip a month and a half ago,
And unfortunately the wind was around thirty five and gusting
near fifty throughout the day. So the Old course is, say,
like any other golf courses, shows its teeth when the
wind is that bad?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Boy? Is it ever? And my day because I did
get into a cart and did not It just hurt
too much. I couldn't swing, obviously. But I'm coming down
sixteen and I hear this roar and this guy yelling
at me from the second fairway saying using four letter
words and saying that he had heard about this man
(09:29):
on this one hundredth round on the Old course. And
I turned around. It was Gary Player.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
There you go. That's pretty cool. Okay, Last thing, Scott,
he's got a chance to win the Grand Slam next
year at Shinnecock. Your thoughts on him potentially doing that
almost a year away.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, my favorite golf course for anybody that plays like
Scheffler does is Shinnecock. It's the closest day to day
that you can get to what we had in Ireland.
And as you were mentioning earlier, thirty mile an hour winds,
(10:09):
you never know what you're going to get. But he's
got the demeanor, the temperament, and he's just got this
uncanny ability to get the ball where it needs to
be and stay out of trouble. And that's how you
win those golf courses or beat those golf courses in
a tournament with the wind, using the weather as your asset.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Awesome, John, thanks so much as always. Can't wait to
talk to you again soon and I hope you get
that one hundred round and you know, shoot your age
or better. So enjoy your next trip to Scotland.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, if I do, you know you'll get a phone call.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Absolutely make sure you do play well. All right? That's
John Hagen. He joins us from time to time on
the radio show to discuss golf and as I said before,
has been a big part of the Saint Andrews area
in his life over the years, working with the RNA
and other entities, the Saint Andrew's Trust Links and others.
(11:06):
Allie Jared's the executive director of the Golf Hall of
Fame in Texas, we'll talk to her about their of
your virtual museum. Coming up next, it's the Golf Show
on the ticket
Last week Scotti Scheffler was crowned the Open champion again.
He's a US Open shy now of being the next
golfer number seven in the Grand Slam. We still have
Phil that could win a US Open, although I don't
think he will. And we still have Jordan Speith who's
a PGA championship away from being a Grand Slam winner.
(00:23):
John Hagen joins US our resident Scottish Expert, Open Champion,
xx Open Championship Expert and many other things that we
have him on the show for. And he's out in
California today walking around beautiful Pebble Beach. Describe your scene
right now, John, where you're at.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's a deep fog, it's drizzling fifty two degrees, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yes, it's Pebble Beach weather, right.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's Pebble Beach in July, for certain. And I'm actually
right now I'm standing at the sixth Green doing a
morning walk and I'm still I'm still basking in what
Scheffler did. And I turn around and look back at
the sixth hole and I think of him making six
(01:10):
birdies on the eight par threes he played last weekend,
which says something, And I'm basking in the fact that
he's one hundred and eleven under par and major since
twenty twenty, which is forty six shots better than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, that's pretty good numbers, right there.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Boy something else.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I know we always like to make comparisons to Tiger
when somebody does something great, and I do think that
he is has that same ara right now that when
he gets in contention, he feels confident that he's going
to win. But the numbers don't lie. He's still a
lot of He's still way behind Tiger in terms of
wins and majors. But I think the one thing about
(01:50):
Scotty is that he doesn't really have a lot in
his life other than golf and family, and he's he
hangs out with the family and does the family stuff
and then he goes to work on the range. And
because of that, we may see a better mid to
late thirties and what golfers are usually in their prime
than Tiger when he started doing the navycal training and
(02:11):
he did all the other things in that what could
have been the prime of his career.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, I agree with you, and the other thing about
Scott he is he is since he's the age of two.
He said he wanted to be a pro golfer, which
means he's learned a lot of things and he's not
going to make the same mistakes that Tiger made with
his body. And I'm sure he's looking to the mid
(02:39):
thirties to maybe fifty years old being as competitive as
he is now. Tiger And the other thing you've got
to think about is Tiger was a big deal other
than his personality in his social life. But Tiger was
in a lot of trouble on golf courses and he
had the ability to make miracle shots. Scotty doesn't make
(03:03):
miracle shots because every shot he hits his whole high.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, drivers play.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, he's never out of play. It's just it's remarkable
what his level of ability is and it comes from
a demeanor, comes from his family, and he's had a
whole bunch of history with people who have gone by
the wayside because they didn't adhere to what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I think, would you think of Port Rush for the
second time as an Open championship venue? I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I love it, and I think probably the players that
I've talked to who have been on it and played
both times. They can't wait to go back. It's really
a golfer's golf course. And you mentioned earlier some of
the issues are you're going to go back to LIdM,
or you're going to consider, say going to Berwick or Sunningdale,
(03:59):
or they've they've gone through the history of hard courses
to get to think of Saint George's down in the
South that you almost need a helicopter you get there
for the tournament, but it still gets a tournament.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, I uh, they'll think the stories that I were
reading and I saw a podcast the other day talking
about Port Marnick in Dublin, and I've seen only pictures
of this Royal Saint Port's which did host an Open
Championship about one hundred years ago, and it's in the
community of Deal, which is close to Royal Saint George's
in Sandwich. What about adding other venues to the ten
(04:39):
that are currently in the open road your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I think they need to do it. It's said, it's said,
I don't want to say it's a different game, but
they want to preserve the game that Kaulf is as
we we all know it. Forget about live. But the
game that we have they want to preserve, and they're
using a couple of courses that you men sink ports.
They're using that as tune ups and it gets a
(05:05):
lot of tournaments we don't hear about, and it gets
qualifying tournaments for the Open, and those courses can stand it.
They need to. Even going up to Berwick, as difficult
as it is to maybe get up there, they need
for the betterment of golf. I think they need to
expand the ROTA, if you want to call it that,
(05:30):
and reconsider other than the old course, getting it on
a regular basis, which I think is also important. I
think they need some new blood and golf courses.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, and I understand the RNA's position on Turnberry. They
want it to be about the golf tournament. They wanted
to be about the champion golfer of the year. And
no matter what your feelings are on Trump and I've
driven that road between Glasgow and Turnberry or Prestwick and Turnberry,
there's nothing wrong with the road. You can easily get there.
(06:02):
There may be some say you're probably going to have
to close the Bruce course at Turnberry if you're going
to play there. But they don't want the tournament to
be a news story about anything other than the tournament.
And as I said, regardless of what your position is
on Trump, there's going to be protesters if they ever
host a tournament there, and that's what I think they're
trying to avoid.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, that's true. And look at Truon they close their
other golf course and use it for parking and the
rest of it. So the USGA did it at LACC
when they hit it in Los Angeles a few years ago.
So those things can be worked out. But Trump is
the problem. It is a great golf course, and also
(06:44):
you have to admit that his first golf course up
in Aberdeenshire is really a good golf course. Forget about Trump,
but it's a solid test to golf.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
He didn't design it, he just paid for it.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's right. Yeah. And he's got another one that he's doing,
the naming it after his mother, and I think he's
pulling the first shovel of dirt today. As a matter
of fact on it.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Did you ever get your hundredth round on the old course?
I know you were shooting for that last year.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I did not, and it was a growth embarrassment. I
had a ligament issue with my left foot and I
had a brace on and was with my son and
a couple of his pals who are great golfers, and
they announced me on that on the first tee and
I was shaking in my boots and my brace and
(07:42):
I shanked it on the first tee and nearly took
out a spectator along the walkway on the right. It
was the most embarrassing thing in my life.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You know, I've only hit it. I've played the golf
course six times now, and the only time I've hit
iron off that tee is when i had to because
the wind was so strong behind us. I didn't want
it to run into the burn. But I I typically
hit three woods, seven wood, you know, maybe a butt
(08:13):
driver if it's into the wind, something like that, because
I don't want to shake it into the crowd because
there's a lot of people watching you on that.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
First all that's right, and you know you want to
kiss the holy grail and you wanted to do it perfect.
And I've hit two five irons on that or two
four irons in that thing during There's no humility in
whatever club you've got in your hand. But I'll be
out there another month and a half, so I'll try again,
(08:43):
and I'll go without blinders.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
There you go. I played it. That was the last
spot on our trip a month and a half ago,
And unfortunately the wind was around thirty five and gusting
near fifty throughout the day. So the Old course is, say,
like any other golf courses, shows its teeth when the
wind is that bad?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Boy? Is it ever? And my day because I did
get into a cart and did not It just hurt
too much. I couldn't swing, obviously. But I'm coming down
sixteen and I hear this roar and this guy yelling
at me from the second fairway saying using four letter
words and saying that he had heard about this man
(09:29):
on this one hundredth round on the Old course. And
I turned around. It was Gary Player.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
There you go. That's pretty cool. Okay, Last thing, Scott,
he's got a chance to win the Grand Slam next
year at Shinnecock. Your thoughts on him potentially doing that
almost a year away.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, my favorite golf course for anybody that plays like
Scheffler does is Shinnecock. It's the closest day to day
that you can get to what we had in Ireland.
And as you were mentioning earlier, thirty mile an hour winds,
(10:09):
you never know what you're going to get. But he's
got the demeanor, the temperament, and he's just got this
uncanny ability to get the ball where it needs to
be and stay out of trouble. And that's how you
win those golf courses or beat those golf courses in
a tournament with the wind, using the weather as your asset.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Awesome, John, thanks so much as always. Can't wait to
talk to you again soon and I hope you get
that one hundred round and you know, shoot your age
or better. So enjoy your next trip to Scotland.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, if I do, you know you'll get a phone call.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Absolutely make sure you do play well. All right? That's
John Hagen. He joins us from time to time on
the radio show to discuss golf and as I said before,
has been a big part of the Saint Andrews area
in his life over the years, working with the RNA
and other entities, the Saint Andrew's Trust Links and others.
(11:06):
Allie Jared's the executive director of the Golf Hall of
Fame in Texas, we'll talk to her about their of
your virtual museum. Coming up next, it's the Golf Show
on the ticket
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