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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everyone, it's Andy Everett.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Enjoy this podcast version of The Golf Show from sports
Radio AM seven sixty The Ticket Now from sports Radio
AM seven sixty The Ticket. This is another edition of
The Golf Show. The Golf Show brought to you.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
By MK Golf Tech, Joe Caruso's Golf Academy, and by
Alamo City Golf Trail. Now on the first t Andy Everett.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
All right, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's time to talk golf for the next hour as
we're getting into the first stages of the playoffs with
a FedEx Saint Jude event in Memphis and cruning a
FedEx Cup champion in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Thanks for being with us this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Our guests today are from MK Golf, Tick, Mark Valier,
and Kurt James. Keith Becker is in the parking lot.
We'll be here in a little bit and we'll talk
with him as well. So welcome guys to the show
house things at MK.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
It's it's good, uh busy, I mean, this has been
a very busy year. It's not slowed down. This is
the best year ever so far. Kind of crazy.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Yeah, it's a kind of amazing. Hell Yeah, how busy
we continue to be. It's it's quite amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, And it's amazing because I don't think there's ever
any downtime that I've this this year, it's compared to
maybe other years, and it just shows that more and
more people want to play this game at as optimum
of a level as they can. And that definitely means
making sure your golf clubs work for you and not
for somebody else exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Yeah, they they Well, it's been I don't know ten
fifteen years at least, where all the publications, everything you
hear on TV, it's like, you got to go get fit,
you got to go get fit.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You get it.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
It's finally resonating. Yes, it's regating. Finally got dream.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You know, I always talking about the things that we
talk about off the air are often better than the
things we talk about on the air. So I'm going
to share a topic that we had in the last
forty seconds leading up to this, and all of us
in this room. Keith is going to change the age
demo when he walks in here in a second.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
But you guys are.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Seventy and I'm sixty one, and the one thing that
we were talking about is how far can we hit
the ball? And how can we hit it further? And
who should we comparing ourselves to. And I know from
the time you guys started doing this show, you know,
ten fifteen years ago, you've always talked about guys over
forty should be really thinking a little bit about how
(02:38):
far they hit it in compared to what the LPGA
ladies do or much younger obviously, but they have similar
swing speeds. But as much as we want to hit
it further, father time is not going to let us.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So you just got to go with what you got,
don't you the best? We have got to talk about this,
you know every show.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I mean, if it's all about maintaining a fitness lie
level at our age, it's it's it's that's paramount for sure.
And it's I mean, yes, you can gain if you
have speed when you're sixty. If you can just maintain
what you have at sixty into your seventies, you are
(03:15):
way ahead of way.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Well, typically the guys who can do that, what I've seen,
were some kind of athlete in the past. You haven't
who hasn't had his body broken down like a lot
of football players and things you say like that. But
like old baseball players or who played baseball or or
(03:37):
other sports, they can they can maintain speed longer because
they had so much of it to begin with.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, there's a guy that I follow online and I've
talked about this on the Afternoon Show and with Jason Garrett,
some of this from a ROSSI we talked about him.
His name is Gary Breca, and Gary has got a
great line that I think is one of the best
lines her and it says aging is the is the
aggressive pursuit of comfort. And as you get older, you're
just like, I'm not going to the gym because I
(04:07):
know it's going to hurt. I'm not gonna go play
thirty six holes because I'm gonna be worn out. And
you just kind of go back and sit on the couch.
And the more sanitary you get, the worse it gets.
As far as athletic competition is there there is no
substitution for getting off your rear end and going to
the gym or walking around the block for thirty forty
minutes or moving. And if you want to play golf
(04:30):
at a similar level at seventy that you did at
sixty or fifty, and you're gonna sit on the couch
all day.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It's not gonna work. I gotta have.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I encourage everybody to listen to Gary Brecca. He's a
human biologist and he's guys on podcasts, and yeah, I
follow him and I actually take his supplements.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah I have.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I take some of them too. Yeah, and I even did.
I don't know what it means yet. I'm trying to
figure it out. But I actually did one of those
methylation DNA tests that tells you what you're efficient and
deficient in and and so we'll get to we'll get
to that. But I just think that's the big tip
for us, us guys that are getting older. If you're
not working out, if you're not if you're not going
(05:07):
to the gym, it's you're going to feel better when
you're done. It's convincing yourself to get there. That's the
that's the hardest part. So I want to ask this
question because this is the one thing that's frustrated me.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And by the way, Keith has joined us. Welcome. How
are you good? Are you very good?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Uh, we'll get we're going to work us all into
this this subject. But I'm not overly upset or care
about how far I hit my irons. I've basically created us.
They got the set to wear anywhere from seventy yards
to one ninety five, maybe even to two fifteen.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The sixty degree wedge is going to go about sixty
five seventy yards in the three wood's going to go
two thirty and they're they're, they're, there's there's perfect right there.
But and maybe the three would leven go a little
bit further in some situations. But I had an eight
iron one hundred and fifty five to one hundred and
sixty yards for somebody sixty two years old. I'm fine
that you're good, But the driver doesn't go in relation.
(06:04):
It seems that I'm hit two forty three probably in
the air right now, or to forty six. Maybe i'd
have a test in a while, but I just want
it to be like two forty nine, and that to
me seems and six yards may not seem like a lot,
But why is it that the driver doesn't seem to
be or maybe it is and I just don't realize it.
Kind of in congruit with all the other clubs as
(06:27):
to how far I hit those, because I know most
people that are sixty years old can't hit an eight
more thane hundred and forty, but I can hit at
one sixty, but I can't hit the driver.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Two seventy five anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, Mostly your driver is your driver swing. You know,
you're not efficient with your kinematic sequence.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I know your drivers swing. You you don't have the
width in your drivers swing.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And your back swing's pretty good, but you know you
don't have that that movement that's necessary. Trapping an iron
off the ground is a little bit different than hitting
it off the tee. And so that's if you can get,
you know, work on within your driver swing. Yeah, you
know that's going to help you. Well, I think I
know the answer. And I work out quite often with Craig.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Brown, and he's got a little thing, a little.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Simulator in his in his gym there, and he says,
your power sources are.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Too tight, and that's the hips and the calves, and.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, I do the yoga stuff and I stretch them
out and that kind of stuff. But if you're not
doing it, like I don't know, forty minutes a day
every day, every day, and you skip days, it kind
of goes backwards.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Look, what look, what you have to look forward to
when you get to another twenty years game.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Another thing that we see a lot in the shop
is is people come in and they say, hey, I
want to hit it farther. I want to I want
my driver to go. You know, all my friends hit
it this far, so I want to hit it as
far as them. I think I need a new driver.
And we start taking a look, and ultimately it's one
of two things. Either a as Mark mentioned, uh, they're
(08:00):
kinematic sequence. They are not optimizing their launch angle, their
spin rate, et cetera in order to maximize their carry.
But a lot of times, and this is where it
gets a little bit tough, is hey, look, you're not
going to pick up as much as you think because
it's a speed issue. We know that if you want
to carry the ball two hundred and fifty yards in
(08:21):
the air, you have to swing one hundred miles an hour.
So if you're only swinging ninety five miles an hour.
I don't care what you do, you're not going to
get there. It's just a physics thing. So at that point,
maybe it's a hey, can we work on your dispersion
to make you more consistent, so you're not losing shots
left and right, but we see that a lot, and
(08:42):
so just explaining what the numbers mean to the public
and helping them understand, hey, this is how I can
this is how I can improve, this is what's realistic,
and this is what's not.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
The other thing that is critical with the driver, I
think is to get the driver go to get the
max out of it. You've got to be so tuned
between your loft, where you're hitting in in the face,
what ball you play can make a huge difference. You've
(09:14):
got to you've got to have all those fine tuned
to where you're getting the maximum carry and roll out
of your driver. And it's sometimes it can be just
as simple as a ball change or how how high
you tee the ball. I mean, it's all there's all
the kinds of things that go into maximizing a driver.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well, since you mentioned that, I will Mitch throw this
in there. I have been playing the last month and
a half with the left dash titleist. Yes, and I
don't think the down wind shots are that much difference.
But I think the end of the wind shots, which
I was struggling with with the prov one X now
with the left dash prov one x are flying a
(09:56):
little bit further not I mean maybe six yards, but
that's that's a good number.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
That's that's good glob Yeah, yeah, I think it is.
It's a high flight but lower spin. Yes, the poor
v one x is high flight, high spin.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I mean I think you have to understand, you know,
what it gives you when you get on the golf course.
And like we're talking a while ago, you know, like
Kirk and I for example, you know, we don't as
we have grown older, our ball our trajectory has gotten lower,
and so we have become more accustomed to accepting a roll.
(10:34):
You know. So let's say that the seven iron only
carriers let's say one forty five, and but we want
to get the ball to go one sixty, you know,
And so we understand that some some holes we can
get it to go one sixty, you know, on a
harder golf course, and it's going to roll out there.
But then when you get in a winter month, but
(10:55):
in some cases, when you got more we're playing.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
The golf course that got grass, it's going to go
is stopping.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, I still go back to something the PGA guys
have done for a number of years, and that's picked
the proper set of teas that you're going to play from.
And a lot of people I said this when I
finished up my trip in Scotland. If you play a
sixty five or sixty six hundred yard golf course the
United States and you go to Scotland and try to
play a sixty five or sixty six hundred yard golf course,
(11:23):
the down wind holes are going to be significantly shorter.
The end of the wind holes are going to be
a half a shot at least, if not a hole
shot harder, because the ball is going to react, especially
with the wind and the conditions that you get. And
we tried to play a golf course. Everywhere we played,
we tried to pick a tee that was under sixty
five hundred yards and the way they were staggered out
(11:43):
was mostly there was some that were in the high
fifty eight to fifty nine six hundred, six thousand, and
I think the max that we played was like sixty
four sixty five, which even the sixty four and sixty
five in the conditions we played in was probably too
much golf course. But that's one thing if you're the
I think the PGA Tour used to say, if you
(12:04):
had a five iron two hundred yards, you can play
a seventy two hundred yard course, but if you only
hit it one fifty, you better back up to a
better move forward to a better tee.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, absolutely, that is critical. There's all kinds of calculations
that you can read about it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's it's determined what.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Five iron times one eighty five, five iron times thirty
five iron yardage times thirty six.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, five iron, five iron yardage. But most people
shouldn't even carry five iron anymore. So anyway, maybe had
six iron time something else.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So Mark and I used to have kind of a
rule of thumb too that if you're playing a golf course,
and on most par fours, if you can't get to
the one fifty marker off the t you're too far.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Back, way too far back.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I mean, I've always had this thought that I, you know,
kirk On when we first started playing too, you know,
we'd like, well we played for the back gas and
you know that was that's gone by the wayside procure.
But you know, if I'm playing a par four, you
know four hybrid is now you know, if I'm a
three wood on a full par four.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That's too long a hole for me.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Ten at River Crossing, for example, from the booteasy is
I can't get there with I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
The driver of the deck is five man.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah for us free wood I don't want to hit
and four hybrids sometimes I can't get.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And if a club in your back like that that
you don't want to hit, get rid of it and
find something.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That you do. If I'm playing keats ball, I can
hit seven iron. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well it's like my best round in Scotland was seventy
four at Merefield. Well, when I played Mirefield in twenty sixteen,
they did not have a second teeth for the male golfer.
It was there was one set of teas for guys
and there was one set of teas for ladies. That's
all they had. And Mirrorfield and I was talking this
with the caddies. The members at Mirfield have certainly gotten
(13:53):
older and they said, you know what, we're sick and
tired of playing golf course. It beats our brains and
every time we play. If we need to grow the
rough back up or move the teas back. If the
British Open ever comes back, we will, but for now,
we're going to have a golf course that we enjoy playing,
and that is.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Fair for us.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So they had the sixty nine hundred tea still there,
which is about what we played twenty sixteen, but they
also had a sixty four hundred yard tea. So the
fifth hole is a par five and I was straight
down wind and I bombed a driver and I had
one seventy eight left to the hole, somewhere in that range,
and I hit eight iron and the caddy said, all
you got to do is get it to the front fringe.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
It's going to take it all the way back to
the hole.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And I flew it to the front fringe and the
slope took it all the way back to the hole,
and I made eagle on that hole, first eagle ever
in Scotland. And then I was looking at the score
sheet for where Rory would tee off and where I.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Would tee off.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And they may even have to build us another tee
for the tour if they ever go back there for
the Open. But because of the wind conditions and because
of the slope of the green or where the flag
was and the wind and all that kind of stuff,
he had about a he would have had about one
hundred yard difference off the tee, which he would have
probably hit it at least one hundred yards off the
(15:04):
tee for the night. In so we would have both
had the one hundred and seventy eight yard shot into
that part five with the conditions, and that means that's
where you should be teeing off from so that you
can have a chance to score the hole. All right,
we're going to talk about the FedEx Cup and all
those things going on there, Ryder Cup and a bunch
of other stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
We'll get to all that next. It's the golf show
on the ticket
Hi, everyone, it's Andy Everett.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Enjoy this podcast version of The Golf Show from sports
Radio AM seven sixty The Ticket Now from sports Radio
AM seven sixty The Ticket. This is another edition of
The Golf Show. The Golf Show brought to you.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
By MK Golf Tech, Joe Caruso's Golf Academy, and by
Alamo City Golf Trail. Now on the first t Andy Everett.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
All right, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's time to talk golf for the next hour as
we're getting into the first stages of the playoffs with
a FedEx Saint Jude event in Memphis and cruning a
FedEx Cup champion in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Thanks for being with us this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Our guests today are from MK Golf, Tick, Mark Valier,
and Kurt James. Keith Becker is in the parking lot.
We'll be here in a little bit and we'll talk
with him as well. So welcome guys to the show
house things at MK.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
It's it's good, uh busy, I mean, this has been
a very busy year. It's not slowed down. This is
the best year ever so far. Kind of crazy.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Yeah, it's a kind of amazing. Hell Yeah, how busy
we continue to be. It's it's quite amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, And it's amazing because I don't think there's ever
any downtime that I've this this year, it's compared to
maybe other years, and it just shows that more and
more people want to play this game at as optimum
of a level as they can. And that definitely means
making sure your golf clubs work for you and not
for somebody else exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Yeah, they they Well, it's been I don't know ten
fifteen years at least, where all the publications, everything you
hear on TV, it's like, you got to go get fit,
you got to go get fit.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
You get it.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
It's finally resonating. Yes, it's regating. Finally got dream.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You know, I always talking about the things that we
talk about off the air are often better than the
things we talk about on the air. So I'm going
to share a topic that we had in the last
forty seconds leading up to this, and all of us
in this room. Keith is going to change the age
demo when he walks in here in a second.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
But you guys are.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Seventy and I'm sixty one, and the one thing that
we were talking about is how far can we hit
the ball? And how can we hit it further? And
who should we comparing ourselves to. And I know from
the time you guys started doing this show, you know,
ten fifteen years ago, you've always talked about guys over
forty should be really thinking a little bit about how
(02:38):
far they hit it in compared to what the LPGA
ladies do or much younger obviously, but they have similar
swing speeds. But as much as we want to hit
it further, father time is not going to let us.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So you just got to go with what you got,
don't you the best? We have got to talk about this,
you know every show.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I mean, if it's all about maintaining a fitness lie
level at our age, it's it's it's that's paramount for sure.
And it's I mean, yes, you can gain if you
have speed when you're sixty. If you can just maintain
what you have at sixty into your seventies, you are
(03:15):
way ahead of way.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Well, typically the guys who can do that, what I've seen,
were some kind of athlete in the past. You haven't
who hasn't had his body broken down like a lot
of football players and things you say like that. But
like old baseball players or who played baseball or or
(03:37):
other sports, they can they can maintain speed longer because
they had so much of it to begin with.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, there's a guy that I follow online and I've
talked about this on the Afternoon Show and with Jason Garrett,
some of this from a ROSSI we talked about him.
His name is Gary Breca, and Gary has got a
great line that I think is one of the best
lines her and it says aging is the is the
aggressive pursuit of comfort. And as you get older, you're
just like, I'm not going to the gym because I
(04:07):
know it's going to hurt. I'm not gonna go play
thirty six holes because I'm gonna be worn out. And
you just kind of go back and sit on the couch.
And the more sanitary you get, the worse it gets.
As far as athletic competition is there there is no
substitution for getting off your rear end and going to
the gym or walking around the block for thirty forty
minutes or moving. And if you want to play golf
(04:30):
at a similar level at seventy that you did at
sixty or fifty, and you're gonna sit on the couch
all day.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It's not gonna work. I gotta have.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I encourage everybody to listen to Gary Brecca. He's a
human biologist and he's guys on podcasts, and yeah, I
follow him and I actually take his supplements.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah I have.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I take some of them too. Yeah, and I even did.
I don't know what it means yet. I'm trying to
figure it out. But I actually did one of those
methylation DNA tests that tells you what you're efficient and
deficient in and and so we'll get to we'll get
to that. But I just think that's the big tip
for us, us guys that are getting older. If you're
not working out, if you're not if you're not going
(05:07):
to the gym, it's you're going to feel better when
you're done. It's convincing yourself to get there. That's the
that's the hardest part. So I want to ask this
question because this is the one thing that's frustrated me.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And by the way, Keith has joined us. Welcome. How
are you good? Are you very good?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Uh, we'll get we're going to work us all into
this this subject. But I'm not overly upset or care
about how far I hit my irons. I've basically created us.
They got the set to wear anywhere from seventy yards
to one ninety five, maybe even to two fifteen.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The sixty degree wedge is going to go about sixty
five seventy yards in the three wood's going to go
two thirty and they're they're, they're, there's there's perfect right there.
But and maybe the three would leven go a little
bit further in some situations. But I had an eight
iron one hundred and fifty five to one hundred and
sixty yards for somebody sixty two years old. I'm fine
that you're good, But the driver doesn't go in relation.
(06:04):
It seems that I'm hit two forty three probably in
the air right now, or to forty six. Maybe i'd
have a test in a while, but I just want
it to be like two forty nine, and that to
me seems and six yards may not seem like a lot,
But why is it that the driver doesn't seem to
be or maybe it is and I just don't realize it.
Kind of in congruit with all the other clubs as
(06:27):
to how far I hit those, because I know most
people that are sixty years old can't hit an eight
more thane hundred and forty, but I can hit at
one sixty, but I can't hit the driver.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Two seventy five anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, Mostly your driver is your driver swing. You know,
you're not efficient with your kinematic sequence.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I know your drivers swing. You you don't have the
width in your drivers swing.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
And your back swing's pretty good, but you know you
don't have that that movement that's necessary. Trapping an iron
off the ground is a little bit different than hitting
it off the tee. And so that's if you can get,
you know, work on within your driver swing. Yeah, you
know that's going to help you. Well, I think I
know the answer. And I work out quite often with Craig.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Brown, and he's got a little thing, a little.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Simulator in his in his gym there, and he says,
your power sources are.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Too tight, and that's the hips and the calves, and.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, I do the yoga stuff and I stretch them
out and that kind of stuff. But if you're not
doing it, like I don't know, forty minutes a day
every day, every day, and you skip days, it kind
of goes backwards.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Look, what look, what you have to look forward to
when you get to another twenty years game.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Another thing that we see a lot in the shop
is is people come in and they say, hey, I
want to hit it farther. I want to I want
my driver to go. You know, all my friends hit
it this far, so I want to hit it as
far as them. I think I need a new driver.
And we start taking a look, and ultimately it's one
of two things. Either a as Mark mentioned, uh, they're
(08:00):
kinematic sequence. They are not optimizing their launch angle, their
spin rate, et cetera in order to maximize their carry.
But a lot of times, and this is where it
gets a little bit tough, is hey, look, you're not
going to pick up as much as you think because
it's a speed issue. We know that if you want
to carry the ball two hundred and fifty yards in
(08:21):
the air, you have to swing one hundred miles an hour.
So if you're only swinging ninety five miles an hour.
I don't care what you do, you're not going to
get there. It's just a physics thing. So at that point,
maybe it's a hey, can we work on your dispersion
to make you more consistent, so you're not losing shots
left and right, but we see that a lot, and
(08:42):
so just explaining what the numbers mean to the public
and helping them understand, hey, this is how I can
this is how I can improve, this is what's realistic,
and this is what's not.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
The other thing that is critical with the driver, I
think is to get the driver go to get the
max out of it. You've got to be so tuned
between your loft, where you're hitting in in the face,
what ball you play can make a huge difference. You've
(09:14):
got to you've got to have all those fine tuned
to where you're getting the maximum carry and roll out
of your driver. And it's sometimes it can be just
as simple as a ball change or how how high
you tee the ball. I mean, it's all there's all
the kinds of things that go into maximizing a driver.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well, since you mentioned that, I will Mitch throw this
in there. I have been playing the last month and
a half with the left dash titleist. Yes, and I
don't think the down wind shots are that much difference.
But I think the end of the wind shots, which
I was struggling with with the prov one X now
with the left dash prov one x are flying a
(09:56):
little bit further not I mean maybe six yards, but
that's that's a good number.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
That's that's good glob Yeah, yeah, I think it is.
It's a high flight but lower spin. Yes, the poor
v one x is high flight, high spin.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I mean I think you have to understand, you know,
what it gives you when you get on the golf course.
And like we're talking a while ago, you know, like
Kirk and I for example, you know, we don't as
we have grown older, our ball our trajectory has gotten lower,
and so we have become more accustomed to accepting a roll.
(10:34):
You know. So let's say that the seven iron only
carriers let's say one forty five, and but we want
to get the ball to go one sixty, you know,
And so we understand that some some holes we can
get it to go one sixty, you know, on a
harder golf course, and it's going to roll out there.
But then when you get in a winter month, but
(10:55):
in some cases, when you got more we're playing.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
The golf course that got grass, it's going to go
is stopping.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, I still go back to something the PGA guys
have done for a number of years, and that's picked
the proper set of teas that you're going to play from.
And a lot of people I said this when I
finished up my trip in Scotland. If you play a
sixty five or sixty six hundred yard golf course the
United States and you go to Scotland and try to
play a sixty five or sixty six hundred yard golf course,
(11:23):
the down wind holes are going to be significantly shorter.
The end of the wind holes are going to be
a half a shot at least, if not a hole
shot harder, because the ball is going to react, especially
with the wind and the conditions that you get. And
we tried to play a golf course. Everywhere we played,
we tried to pick a tee that was under sixty
five hundred yards and the way they were staggered out
(11:43):
was mostly there was some that were in the high
fifty eight to fifty nine six hundred, six thousand, and
I think the max that we played was like sixty
four sixty five, which even the sixty four and sixty
five in the conditions we played in was probably too
much golf course. But that's one thing if you're the
I think the PGA Tour used to say, if you
(12:04):
had a five iron two hundred yards, you can play
a seventy two hundred yard course, but if you only
hit it one fifty, you better back up to a
better move forward to a better tee.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, absolutely, that is critical. There's all kinds of calculations
that you can read about it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's it's determined what.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Five iron times one eighty five, five iron times thirty
five iron yardage times thirty six.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, five iron, five iron yardage. But most people
shouldn't even carry five iron anymore. So anyway, maybe had
six iron time something else.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So Mark and I used to have kind of a
rule of thumb too that if you're playing a golf course,
and on most par fours, if you can't get to
the one fifty marker off the t you're too far.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Back, way too far back.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I mean, I've always had this thought that I, you know,
kirk On when we first started playing too, you know,
we'd like, well we played for the back gas and
you know that was that's gone by the wayside procure.
But you know, if I'm playing a par four, you
know four hybrid is now you know, if I'm a
three wood on a full par four.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That's too long a hole for me.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Ten at River Crossing, for example, from the booteasy is
I can't get there with I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
The driver of the deck is five man.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah for us free wood I don't want to hit
and four hybrids sometimes I can't get.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And if a club in your back like that that
you don't want to hit, get rid of it and
find something.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That you do. If I'm playing keats ball, I can
hit seven iron. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well it's like my best round in Scotland was seventy
four at Merefield. Well, when I played Mirefield in twenty sixteen,
they did not have a second teeth for the male golfer.
It was there was one set of teas for guys
and there was one set of teas for ladies. That's
all they had. And Mirrorfield and I was talking this
with the caddies. The members at Mirfield have certainly gotten
(13:53):
older and they said, you know what, we're sick and
tired of playing golf course. It beats our brains and
every time we play. If we need to grow the
rough back up or move the teas back. If the
British Open ever comes back, we will, but for now,
we're going to have a golf course that we enjoy playing,
and that is.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Fair for us.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So they had the sixty nine hundred tea still there,
which is about what we played twenty sixteen, but they
also had a sixty four hundred yard tea. So the
fifth hole is a par five and I was straight
down wind and I bombed a driver and I had
one seventy eight left to the hole, somewhere in that range,
and I hit eight iron and the caddy said, all
you got to do is get it to the front fringe.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
It's going to take it all the way back to
the hole.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And I flew it to the front fringe and the
slope took it all the way back to the hole,
and I made eagle on that hole, first eagle ever
in Scotland. And then I was looking at the score
sheet for where Rory would tee off and where I.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Would tee off.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And they may even have to build us another tee
for the tour if they ever go back there for
the Open. But because of the wind conditions and because
of the slope of the green or where the flag
was and the wind and all that kind of stuff,
he had about a he would have had about one
hundred yard difference off the tee, which he would have
probably hit it at least one hundred yards off the
(15:04):
tee for the night. In so we would have both
had the one hundred and seventy eight yard shot into
that part five with the conditions, and that means that's
where you should be teeing off from so that you
can have a chance to score the hole. All right,
we're going to talk about the FedEx Cup and all
those things going on there, Ryder Cup and a bunch
of other stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
We'll get to all that next. It's the golf show
on the ticket
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