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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
vicious felonies.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
These episodes are based on. These are our stories done.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Done, Yay, that's messed up.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
An SVU podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
My name is Lisa and my name is Kara, and
every week we dive into an episode of Law and
Order SVU the true crime it's based on. And you know,
sometimes we chat with a guest, but sometimes we don't,
but first we chit chat together. What's up?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
The specials out on Netflix night Owl.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
If you haven't watched it, please watch it for meeting
there and watch.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
It night Owl. One hour of Lisa Trigger doing stand up.
It's so crazy, vulnerable, one full hour.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I also want credit that I did not start this
episode saying who do who?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I have put that to bed.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I feel happy we have exercised the Carla from you.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Oh my god, have you been seeing one of them
days press Like Kiki Palmer, I always loved her and
like obviously a SVU alum, but like, she is just
so funny and I don't think there's ever been a
more charismatic human in the world. That's quick, funny, smart
on it not a like we'll call people like I'm
just obsessed. No one's existed like her. I love her.

(01:36):
I saw it. I saw a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
How was it? I liked it. It's really good. I
mean it's fun. They have great chemistry, Kiki.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I truly, like you're saying, I would sit and watch
her just like shop for shoes online, Like I would
watch her do anything. Like she's so funny and charismatic,
like you know, but I wanted there to be like
more jokes kind of in this. But besides that, I
like there's so many funny extra characters. Dwayne Perkins is
in it as a really funny character. Janelle James, Kat Williams.

(02:09):
There's like it's great. I mean, if you like Insecure,
it reminds me of like almost like an extended Insecure episode,
Like it's really it really has like Insecure vibes.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
And I really I had a good time. I had
a really good time.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
But yes, I've been noticing Kiky like fucking smashing it
in all these interviews, and she's so funny.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, yeah, probably has a.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Fun movie to see in the theater too, Like, well,
I saw it with my friend and we saw in
the middle of the day.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
We were alone, so we just kind of, oh, oh
my god, what a dream.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, it was like the It was you know, like
one thirty in the afternoon and it was the Discount
Theater in Pasadena.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
So you know, my child, I guess, why is it?
But it's a new movie? What it is?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
This theater plays all new, They play all news. I
took my kids there to see Wicked because I was like,
if they walk out after hour and a half, at
least I've only paid five dollars a ticket, Like it's great.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
They the tickets are five to fifty. I think if
you go before sex, oh I have something to say
to you. Uh oh no, and another thing.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
No, you're gonna be into this because it's something you've
loved in the past. I started True Blood, Okay, no
one told me it was soft core porn with just
like fun restaurant human like chats, Like I'm obsessed, Like
I can't believe the fucking is insane. I mean, within
ten minutes there's a woman on a hook being fucked
by a vampire and I'm like, this wasn't a selling

(03:32):
point for anyone for me, like I'm in, I'm in forgot.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I guess I forgot because that was like, you know,
I don't know if HBO is still doing that, but
that was definitely like the heyday of HBO being like,
oh and also there's gonna be crazy fucking like no
matter what it's about.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
You're right, I should have just known.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
But I think I thought it was gonna be a
different type of vampire vibe and it wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, it also like it changes a lot, like to
the end of the series, Like I'm so interested in
your thoughts, like because I like it's great.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I would say it's not like a great show, but
I'm I like it. That guy, I didn't realize he
had a long career the Stars Guard The Stars Guards
a vampire. Oh yeah, Like I didn't really, I didn't
know about him.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Really, so that was where I'm I feel like I
met him in True Blood. That's how I know him.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
But I'm a big Anna Paquin fan.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
And one of the guys is actually in the episode Smoked,
the guy who's dating Carrie Preston is the guy who
is in the like Shelter and like shot.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, Like I couldn't believe that. I bet people you're
going to see so many SVU people. I mean, like
it's true Blood. It's like it's like practically OZ crossover level.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
But my two issues though, are like the brother of
Anna Paquin and the restaurant owner look exactly alike. They're like,
both just these guys with blonde I'm like in highlight,
I'm like, you should have gotten just a brunette and
a blonde.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I can't Sam keep it straight. And the brother look alike. Interesting, Okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, they're like too similar.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I can't. Like now I've got it, but in the beginning,
I was like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Jason, Sam and Jason Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I do love.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
This idea where it's like you're discriminating against the vampires.
But I'm like, they do seem like they suck, like
as people be like they are not cool.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, it's nuanced, it's nuanced.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, it's very But Carrie Preston, like I haven't, like
she's just so young.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
It's crazy too.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think that's like it must not be where I
met met her. But that's like the first thing I
watched that she was a regular on too.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I feel I met her in terms of like there
was always actresses that are good but not famous, that
are nominated for Oscars, and she's one of them. Yeah,
Like there's just a few of these women where you're like, ah,
one of the best, but like we'll never see her
in right like on us, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (05:53):
She was one of those yeah where it's like, what's
this movie?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
What?

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
But oh I did just supply, But I did Films
to be Buried with Brett Goldstein's podcast, which I was
very excited to do. And there's like thirteen questions and
it's like pretty intense and obviously I prepped for ever
like I was, and I was giving. I was like
reading it out loud, but multiple times he went ooh
that was a good one.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
He goes, oh that that's good.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
He goes that's a good answer, And I'm like, this
is like and everything I hoped for for all this time.
I was like making lists, like organizing for a week
and a half two weeks.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Did you talk about movie game in Cinea Matrix on
the podcast?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
No? I kept it together because they have to start
paying me. I can't keep talking about movie grid the
way I do. I mention it after we got off
because he saw every single movie I said, and I
didn't have just one answer for everything. So like he
saw every and I go, I'm assuming you've seen every
movie for every guest you've had.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
So I'm like, how are you seeing all these movies?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm like, I want to see a head to head
with him and Doug Benson like, do you movies?

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Because he just saw every single thing and knew about it,
and I.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Was like, he goes, well, I don't watch TV, but
I watched movies non stop, but he knew everything. It
was pretty So at the end, I go, do you
play movie Grid and Cinematrix? He goes yeah, And I
told the story because when I first started playing, I
messaged Doug Benson about it and I go, it's kind
of hard.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
He goes, it's easy for me.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
So he really bobbed the drag queen to me, and
so yeah, like really, I just so, yeah, so knowledgeable.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh that's cool, that's really cool. Wait what okay? And
he's just like hot with an accent and charming, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
It's like we love. I'd be on a zoom with him.
We love Brett Goldstein.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, maybe I'll watch his show, but I doubt it.
I'm never going to get into the Apple TV universe
if y'all.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, we keep saying that's the only way we don't
pay for and Jared keeps.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Being like, we gotta start paying for we go. We
don't even have to.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I have so many things I buy that it's like
you got three months free all yeah, like everywhere, Like
I have every Apple product, Like, so I don't I
don't really know.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, everybody says several slow horses or I want to
watch the second season a Bad Sisters, like they're all.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so much, but I don't know. I
was just really proud of myself and it was really
good question. You know, it's like my dream, so like
that's what great stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Did you see the Oscar nomination Speaking before of Carrie
Preston getting knowledged for an Oscar, No.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I've heard, like I just want Demi Moore it to win.
I don't care. I don't like. Well, once I saw
all the hubbub that like the Challenger's soundtrack was snobbed,
I started listening to it and it is just like amazing,
Like what the fuck.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, the Amelia Perez of it all is weird. It
doesn't seem like anyone likes it. So it's just confusing.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I guess what is going on because I have not
really heard from that many people about it. But like
Coffee was vocal saying it was like one of the
worst movies she's ever seen.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, well so I watched this thing on Instagram. But
it was like, you know when you watch it and
you're like, who are you and what makes you think
that you're a professional at any of this? But he
was just saying, like the Academy used to be mostly
actors and now they opened it up and so like,
and it's international, and it's like it's not as craft
based or like that's I don't know, I have no idea, Okay,

(09:06):
it just seems like everyone's like, oh, it's like a
modern musical, and I'm like, oh, that's like musicals. But
for it to even win a glow like we're not
even talking to Oscar like over Wicked, a Broadway show
that's been on for twenty years, Like are you out
of your fucking mind? In what world would any song
beat defying gravity or whatever? Song they pick like, there's

(09:28):
just like that's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, I will know.
It's like I don't even care anymore. It was just
cool that like Bowen got to read them with Rachel
Sennet Young Hollywood. You know, it's like it's exciting. I'll
look at the dresses, but I just don't care, right,
except for Jimmy Moore.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I want her to win. I hope she wins, that's
all I really hope.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's wild for like a horror movie like that to
be nominated for Actress for Best Picture.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
It's cool.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's like a new feels like horror is getting a
little bit of a more big foot in the door.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Wow, that's so interesting, you know. Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
They never like, I mean, Casey can probably speak to
this better, but horror stuff never gets recognized right in Oscars.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Parasite, Yeah, historically, I feel like historically it's been sort
of snubbed from the Oscars. But latly the last couple
of years, I feel like like the shape of water
is sort of horror esque parasite.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Uh sure, but the substance is supposedly like one of
the glorious, like those are like more Yeah, but it's
not scary.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
That's the thing. Like the substance is not scary at all.
It's just gross. There's got it. It's not scary. Okay,
well I'm too scared.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Wait, this is a great opportunity for Casey to tell
us about a new podcast he's hosting.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Oh my god, yes, yes, that's right. I'm hosting a
new podcast. It's called Deer Movies. I Love You. It's
on the exactly right network that I'm hosting it with.
We know that network. I'm hosting it with million Erico,
formerly of I Saw What You Did. And Yeah, it's
just a very like approachable, fun movie podcast that is

(11:10):
all about sort of like the emotional connection we have
with movies, and we'll get into like the nitty gritty
of like you know, super art house bullshit, but we
make it approachable for everybody and it's like super fun
and silly.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
So give it a little lot of it.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
You're one of my You're one of my movie touchstone
people that I know has seen everything and I have
to ask you about So I think this is perfect.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
No, that's fine. I I want you to listen to
my episode. I want to see if you're impressed with
my option.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I definitely will I'll give you all yeah, I'll listen
and no, no, I can just.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Give you my sheep. Yeah, I want a report card.
I want yeah, I want to know. I want to
impress everyone with my choices. Now, I it was really hard.
I should just give you the questionnaire though, too, because
I was giving it to everyone. I was blacked out
at the bars. I was like corner everyone at the cellar,
like I was just so curious about it, Everyone's choices.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
I should have you guys on his guests.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
We should yours simply show guests.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah, I mean it's not like we don't like need
we don't have them every episode, but like the first
episode we have Chile was sharp.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Oh wait, that's my friend. How do you know about Schile?
What the fuck?

Speaker 5 (12:21):
She's really good friends with Millie. And so we bring
people on in the guest segment to talk about their
film area of expertise, and Chile would came on to
talk about Magic Mike and which is got of expertise
of mine as well? So but yeah, so yeah, you
guys can come on and talk about your area of expertise.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
What is I would say Edward Norton Movies in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
That's Percy's Dear Movies. I love you.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Everybody, go give it a little follow if you don't
follow it already.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
It's so fucking exciting.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Well, one of the ones, one of the questions on
his is like the film that's supposed to be bad
but you love and so I had a list of
a bunch and I actually went to Rotten Tomatoes and
I got both scores and averaged them to get what
is actually the worst. And that was really fun too.
He's like, Wow, I'm really into your preparation. I'm like,
oh yeah, oh yeah, babe.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
And it was The Stepford Wives.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's actually twenty six and thirty for Wow, because that's
that you love that most people hate.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, I'm trying to think what mine would be.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well, I had a few so huge, okay, so Deep
Blue Sea, but actually critics gave it sixty and then
it was thirty nine. Human Centipede was forty two and
twenty six. Step for Wives, like I said, twenty six thirty.
Love Stinks was nineteen and sixty three. Wait, I Love
Love Stinks with mel Brooks No with French Stewart and
Bridget like Samson.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Oh, it's a different movie I'm thinking of.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Okay, sorry, I was thinking about it with mel Brooks
and Leslie and Warren where he he's a billionaire that
has to be unhoused for a month in order to win.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
His money back. Oh I love that. No, that that
can't be the worst I met.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
The Sweetest Thing is twenty five and sixty five, and
then the Duplex was thirty five and forty, so I
went with the twenty six and thirty Stepford Wives.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Casey, what what?

Speaker 4 (14:13):
I love Duplex? I love that movie.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Hell yeah, Hell yeah, Kara, have you seen Duplex? No,
what's Duplex? It's actually Drew Barrymore and Ben's Stiller and
Harvey fire Steam.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Oh yeah, Okay, I don't know it. I look it up. Yeah,
it's fine. I mean, I'm glad Casey likes it like it's.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Directed by Danny DeVito it and I.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Think you wonder I love it and it and he
also directed Matilda and it feels kind of like an
adult Matilda.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
I mean, did he direct War of the Roses or no?

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Oh? Is he just in it? Let's see? Now this
is a movie podcast. By the way, the movie I
was thinking of it. Yeah, directed by Danny DeVito. Fuck yeah,
I love him damn because that that's like a trigger
family classic War of the Roses war.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, we used to have it.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
We taped it off TV on VHS. We had to
get scribbled on the side. War of the Roses.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
The movie I was thinking of, by the way, is
life Stinks.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
And I'm having dejavus because I feel like we've had
this exact conversation before where You've brought up love stinks
and I've been like, oh, the mel Brooks, it's life stinks.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I mean they the funnest questions is like what film
thought you thought was the sexiest? But then the side
character or is like what should you have not found arousing?

Speaker 3 (15:29):
But you do? And I would say it's the most
vulnerable I've been on a podcast.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Wow, No, I probably say crazy shit on this for sure,
for sure, But oh my god, wait, I do have
something to say. So my friend Sophia, Oh you know Sophia.
We went to backslize with her. So she's at Live
Nation and she's actually like she was like she brought

(15:55):
podcast touring to Live Nation. It was like all her
first accounts, Like she and so I got to go
to Madison Square Garden this week because one of the
podcasts she started, and she also did Gigglely Squad at
Radio City, so it's like a pretty big week for
her in New York. But I saw that a Dungeons
and Dragons podcast at Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Jared's was Clint produced the whole thing that Clint was there.
Clint was there, He's been there for a week. He
produced that whole show.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Okay, so I you know, they had fire, there was pyro,
there was a lot of screens, and I mean because
we played Call of Cuthulhu during the pandemic, I kind
of like understood what was going on. Yeah, but it's
truly because I was thinking about people that are dragalongs
coming to our live show, Like is it as confusing?
And I don't think so because we're recapping a thing.

(16:44):
But I would like they would just show a character
on the monitors and people would just start losing their shit. Yeah,
but it was exciting. It was a behaved crowd. I mean,
security did not really have to work too hard. But
it's crazy. Yeah, it's called Dimension twenty. Okay, my friend
Schamann is in the cast. Wait, which one is Chavon

(17:05):
Is she blonde and burnette, blonde with like a britishercent.
She was my favorite. Well she played a character. I
didn't hear a British accent. Oh, but she was dressed
so cute. I mean the girls were obviously my favorite.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, was Emily Axford in it too? She is she
married to one of the other ones. Yes, Emily and Murph.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
My apartment, my first apartment in la Emily and Murph
lived two doors down for me in that the worst.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
You would know all these dungeon Canadian doors, Like in
what world wouldn't you have a lot of.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's a lot of UCB people too, Like yeah, they
that's like, well it is because one of the guys
I write, I was like, he was in someone's photo
with Dan Black, who you're friends with, and they were
at the SNEL party.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
So I was like, oh my god, because it was
like the main guy is charming. And then someone was
saying that they did improv classes with him, so I
was like, oh, that makes more sense.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's not just like a I don't want to be like,
it's not just a weirdo.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
But yeah, yeah, he was my improv teacher get the Brennan.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
And he was my improv teacher at UCB.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Oh my god, Oh my god, Like that's so cool. Yeah,
I had a really really good time. The girls were
my favor and then since it's Madison Square Garden, like
a few of them lived out their fantasies and did
like some wrestling moves and like, and that was fun.
And then also some of the fire was a surprise
and so even the players didn't know. Oh but oh,

(18:29):
this is what I learned. Since I knew the person
on production. I can't believe Clint was there. I wish
I knew. I should have messaged you on my way there.
I had no idea you were going. I would have
been like, Clint, go say hi to Lisa. Oh my god,
I would have loved it. No, So, like I knew
one persons their tour manager, and then one person like
is the Live Nation promoter type. But she was saying
how they brought their own fucking WiFi.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Oh, Clint got there a week earlier to get everything
in place. He's like, there's so many pieces to this,
Like we got a like he was there. I was
at his house the night before he was leaving he
was packing. I was like, wait, the show's on Friday,
you're leaving on Sunday. He's like, it's so much like.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's but also what I would want to what I
would be interested in watching, is like So then I
went on the Instagram to kind of stalk everyone and
see what's going on, and the main guy does a
drag version where it's Bob, Monet, Jujub, and Alaska and
they're all playing D and D and it's kind of
what we did with Cthulhu and it is so fun

(19:23):
and it's like the clip I saw as Jujubi being like,
don't you have that bridge over the water? Does it
work for acid? And like they're all so I'm like,
I want to watch that. I mean, I would watch
like Bob do everything. But oh, that is so funny.
That's amazing. I didn't know that they did that.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Oh my god, have you been watching Traders? No, I'm
gonna get into it.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Maybe this afternoon since I'm not feeling so hot, I'll
just get into a Trader's thing.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
But I need to watch.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'm not want to be behind another I'm not gonna
be behind on another season of Traders.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I'm watching I'm not gonna. I can't. It's it's hit
a fever pitch for me. I need to. It's also
just such fun view.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
But it was also fun watching the podcast thing of
not knowing anything because like people were wearing costumes and
maybe think of the people that come see us. And
February twenty third, we're in DC, baby at the Empires.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Come see us, guys. You have a couple more weeks
and we love DC. We'll be doing a new episode
that you have not seen us do. We've got new games,
so come on down. But yeah, we should we get started.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's nice.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
We didn't even talk about the impending administrations.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
No, we didn't even talk about doom. Look at us.
We're doing great.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Hello, I mean we've already said hello, we're doing Manic
season five, episode two. I'm excited. I'm excited. And it's
really timely. I would say, yeah theme thematically.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I would say it's timeless. It's
been timely for like twenty years. But yeah, yeah, nothing
has changed.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And now that I'm like back into like rewatching old Simpsons,
it's like, oh my god, it's like the same comment
on stuff old US view. It's like the same fucking conversation.
And I can't believe we let it just get worse.
And oh my god, oh my god, damn boh, I

(21:22):
get buckle up. We got some flashlights. Stabler sees blood
on a concrete wall. A uniform cop runs forward. More
blood on the wall where basement vibes. It's not a home,
it's a huge space. Buckets more blood. Boiler room handle
is locked. We hear, don't hurt me, don't hurt me.
Finn and Benson arrive. It's nine fifty am. A passerby

(21:43):
saw a broken window and thought maybe it was a
break in, but.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Then they hurt. Shots fired.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Two dead kids in the gym, naked except for shoes
and socks.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
This is wild. There's a hostage.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Oh my god. Sailor's like, give us the kid. We
won't hurt you. Just let the kid go. Silence. No
one says anything. A gunshot. Sailor's not playing games anymore.
He kicks down the door. We see the kid. The
shooter's gone. They see a window open, finished checking out
the window.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
We what do we have? We have a culkin. It's Rory.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Rory has he done other stuff like he's the worst
of the Culkins.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
No, but he's I looked him up, like he's done
other stuff. What was like Rory Culkin's big thing.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
He was in Signs.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, and he has done for I mean he's he's
steadily working. Like he's got like four credits from twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh, he was in a Black Mirror.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Recently, he was in a bunch of episodes of Under
the Banner of Heaven, which was like a pretty people
liked it. It was you know, it's about Mormonism and stuff.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Oh yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah. He was in Castle Rock, which people watched on Hulu. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Like, so he's doing stuff, but definitely a more low
key Culkin.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
But I feel like Kieran was low key until recent Yeah,
they've all kind of gone, you know, But I mean mccaullay,
what a weird name. Oh he yeah, mccaullay is a
weird name. I've never met another McCauley in my life. Yeah,

(23:15):
maybe I will. Oh my god, I forgot Karen Culkin
was and she's all that.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Damn that's fun.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Oh when he was the little boy and father of
the bride, Oh my god, kue.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Okay, back to reality.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Rory. He's been hitting the head. There's blood. Sailor carries
him out. He's passed out. We got to help this
teenage boy. So we're getting a bus and the bus
gets us right into the credits beat beep stop requested.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
And now we're in the gym with Cragan. It's all
hands on deck.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
A witness saw a tall man, white man running away,
but that's all we have. And then the bullet only
winged the kids, so that's good and he's gonna wake up.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
So then we see.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Vury graphic murdered children. They don't really show dead kids
like this, even on this show. These dead children are
sitting up against the wall. They're not fully covered in
a sheet. You see like the blood spatter and the
holes in their bodies of blood, and they're naked.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
It is kind of crazy. Yeah, it is really crazy.
It's season five. I guess it's so weird because it's
like in some older there's like a period of time
where there's not as much graphic shit on this show,
but then now in recent ones, it's like we did
watch somebody just like burned alive, So like, I don't know,

(24:38):
some of the dead body shots in the earlier seasons
are very graphic, like the women in Baggage that we
just did. Oh yeah, you know, but yeah, especially kids.
I don't think on kids. It's usually just like I mean,
when they just did Natural Born, when they did Psychopath,
he kills his brother, and it's like you just see
a sneaker on a kid, like you even see the

(25:00):
body at all, you know, Like, but these are like damn, and.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
The teacher heard the gun shots went in because it's
actually Saturday, So what the fuck? Like, why are people
at the school on a Saturday. Yeah, Joey Blaine is
the boy. He's in the hospital, and then Luke Rhodes
and Tyrell Dent are the dead kids, and they are
star basketball players. And then munch goes whoa takeing Hazen
to the next level. Have some decorum, have some decorum.

(25:26):
These dead children aren't even covered by the sheet. And
then they think maybe the kids are there to shoot hoops.
That's why the they're on a Saturday. The security from
the school comes running in. The gun is missing. I
have a gun in the lock box because I confiscated
it from a student Friday, and authorities are going to
pick it up on Monday. That's weird. Is't not a
weird policy? What are the cops that busy pick up

(25:48):
the gun from the school?

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Maybe because the school would be closed, but yeah, you're right,
that is crazy. If you guys hear commotion, it's there's
something going on in the busy streets. It sounds like landscaping.
But it can't be because I live in a concrete jungle, so.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Where dreams are made of. Oh maybe the student's name
is Derek Fowler. What student?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah? Yeah, like I already said the other boys' names.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
So Derek brought the gun at the same grade as
the boys. So bam bam, we're gonna break it into
this apartment. The dude is chilling reading the paper and
he is being calm as hell. Randy Fowler is the man,
and they're like, well, what about Derek, And he goes
he's in his room.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Would you give up your kid that fast? Okay?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
So then Derek is playing with his cassette player and
Finn goes tell.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Us about the gun, and he goes, what gun?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then the dad screams like, you bitch, you stole
my gun, you little prick bitch. I added, but prick
it was said, and he's being arrested. The dad's like,
don't talk, son, you don't have to say anything. So
I love that he's still on his rights. And so
you know, we're going to go downtown. He's in cement
room and bars, Finn and Craigan are gossiping about him.
He lives with his mom usually, but he kept bringing

(27:03):
knives to school. He kept getting suspended. Now he's with
the dad, graduated to a gun. Uh oh, dad's in
the other room. He go and basically we get confirmation
that he was drinking all day, so he wasn't involved,
but he was just drunk at the bar.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Benson comes in.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
No rape on the dead boys, even though they were naked,
so that's a twist too, but I'm glad they weren't assaulted.
But the dad is drunk, the boy had the gun,
and then Elliott called Joe Blaine is awake, so a
lot of action. We gotta go see if he could
pick out the killer and see if it is this
expelled gun nut child. So then we meet the mom,

(27:43):
Mayor Winningham. She has hundreds of credits. I only know
her from this episode, but she's in flannel.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Do you have any oh yeah, I mean just I
just know her as like a person who's been in
stuff my entire life. But I don't think anything that's
ever been super important to me, me specifically, I'm trying to think.
I mean, yeah, like Saint almost Fire Turner and Hooch,
like she's in all these like old movies. But yeah,

(28:08):
nothing that's big in my life. But you know, a working,
well known actress. So they're asking who broke the window.
He said, the man made me do it. He has
a gun and the boy is sketching drawings in a
yellow legal pad, so you know, he's lost his mind.
His eyes are closed, he's chanting. He has a gun.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Oh boy, oh boy, shooting bang bang.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
He's struggling, and he has a just a square bandage
on his head and there's blood going through the bandage.
They want info on the man who dragged him and
like did all this, and but they just they just
need his face. But he looks away, he looks at
his mom, and then he draws the janitor's face, and
the janitor has a temper. The security guy says, and

(28:53):
he did throw a mop at kids, but the kids
did fuck with his bucket. So but there's two dead
and it's the two dead boys. So the two dead
boys fucked with his bucket and then he threw a
mop at them. So obviously this janitor is the one
who double homicided these children and strip them naked.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
But he's the only one with keys.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
But there are secret backup keys, the security guy says,
and obviously the janitor is the only guy who knows
about the secret backup keys. So janitor's immediately in cement
room bars. This is the most obvious red herring of
this show's history. The janitor is nervous and shaky. It
wasn't him. It's minute seven of the show. It's not him. Yeah,
But they show him the sketch and he goes, I

(29:32):
wouldn't hurt Joey, and I just want them to stop
being so mean to him. So they're back at like
the scene, so they have to like try to get
more evidence to see what's going on, and it's a puzzle.
Judas Ciper's on the scene. She's an aunt of a
listener and a former guest of the pod. She's chatting
and she says, like, if you shoot down here, there's

(29:52):
so much ricochet. It's ricochet heaven ping ping ping bing
like it. It would be pandemonium down here. But this
pipe has evidence that the shot was shot straight up
into it. There was no bouncing around, so that there
was obviously a struggle or you know, someone shot up.
And there's hundreds of prints in there, but the bloody
prints are with the kids. There's prints everywhere. But Joe

(30:16):
had his bloody prints on the inside door lock. So
the kid with his bloody hand locked the door. So
what if the kid and the shooter are actually the
same person. So yeah, it's the Kulkan. So he put uh,
he put it to his head and he shot it.
And then because he shrunk because it's scary, and he moved,

(30:37):
the bullet went straight up just grazed his head. And
so now we have to try to find the gun.
Benson finds the gun immediately, I wrote baby Benson, and
I don't know why I did that. Flannel Mom opens
the door and they bulldozed past her. She's like, tell
me what what what? They won't, It's like, just tell
her what's up. So they go into the bedroom. They
were gonna get him the fuck out of there. Guns

(30:59):
are up ready, but he's not in there. They can't
find him. He ran out the window. He's gone. There's
drawings everywhere, and one of the drawings is at a
school gym, two dead kids and a shooter standing over them. Okay,
so we plan the whole damn thing. The mom looks worried.
She's in window room blinds with a view because there's
woodroom blinds, but not of you like this. It was

(31:21):
a beautiful set of windows. We don't see this very often.
But she's like, it's just a drawing. It's kind of
like the Hile Hitler. You know, it's like, what, it's
not that big of a deal. Nah, you're being nuts.
Oh god, do you think Ivanka dressed like a handman's
tail character on purpose?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I heard she was wearing Oscar Delaurenta and that made
me sad because I always like Oscar Delorenta stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Fuck. Come on, listen. At the end of the day,
it's money, business, rich. They don't give a fuck. They
don't give a fuck. Yeah, these people don't give a fuck.
Fuck everything. I don't even want to leave its own
bag anymore. I'm over it. Class warfare. Yeah, keep your America,
you dumb bitches. I don't want it. I don't want it.
I did watch an interview with Chloe Sevenier recently, and

(32:08):
she was saying, she goes, yeah, we were also like
punk rock back in the day, and I wish I wasn't,
and she goes, I think I'd be a lot wealthier
and more successful.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, but it's like you are so successful.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
But she's like, yeah, back in the day, like you
never wanted to be seen as a sellout, and and
she goes, that's not really the thing anymore.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Like everyone, Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Chloe Sevigne, we were never going to see you like
on a Verizon commercial, you know what I mean, Like
she was never going to be like, well I love
Chick fil.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
A, Like yeah for sure. Yeah, I mean she does
fashion stuff. She's just cool girl vibes, you know. But
that's funny. That's funny that she's like, oh, my punk days.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Because that's how I'm like, where are the punk rock people?
It's like the people that are shown as punk rock
are the establishment?

Speaker 4 (32:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
People think like Rogan's a renegade and he's like so
part of all of this, and where are the punk
rock people? Yeah, Luigi, that's it, Just Luig it all
goes back to Luigi I'm back in the episode I'm back,
I'm back. I'm sorry. It's just like it's just a drawing. Man,

(33:15):
there's two dead kids, and your son has a drawing
of it. So I now get a lawyer and it's
dated months before. She's like, he's gentle, nice, you know,
typical boy. Mom, But he's just depressed. But he wouldn't
do this. And Benson's like, if you know, but right
now he can hurt someone or himself, you have to
tell us where he is. She's like, I have no clue.
I don't know. I didn't even realize he was gone

(33:36):
till you guys busted in. He doesn't have any friends,
no dad, it's just them too. The dad just left
three years ago. Like what a bummer. People shouldn't be
able to leave like that. Prison. Yeah, I believe in prison,
you ditch your kid, you go to prison. Like, I
don't understand why we let dad just kind of ditch
their kids. I know, I know it's fucked up. There's

(33:57):
a woman that, oh my god, did you.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Say if we did, if we did do prison for
abandon of your kids, guess who would be pro aborshi
all these guys.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
The janitor does confess to something though, uh oh, he
gave Joey the gun to scare the kids that picked
on him, and he knows he made a mistake. He's like,
I didn't know it was loaded. Why didn't you check?
Why did you give a kid a gun? Like this
is crazy? But anyways, we find out that this kid's
on a train out of town. They're trying to track
them down with schedules. They find him on camera on

(34:27):
you know, we're confirmed. Finn calls him a psycho brat.
You know, I love that, and he actually isn't leaving,
and then they catch him going to the regular subway,
so he's trying to trick them, and so it's is
he a mastermind or an idiot? And Finn goes, I
bet this is the mom's idea, Like buy a train
ticket to go somewhere else and fucking come back home.
Benson and Stabler are spying in a rain in a

(34:50):
rain covered car, in a rain, in a rain drop.
Suddenly we're the Magic school Bus. Benson and Stabler are
spying in a car and she he's like, you would
do whatever to save your kids to shut up and
don't judge her, but she's dumb. She's taking a cab like, babe,
obviously you're being followed. You should like you should have
thought a little harder. But Munch is on foot. Finn's

(35:12):
also in a rainy car. Benson and Stabler whatever, they're all,
they're all involved.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
They're all gonna get him. But much I do love Munch.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Munch is at the scene where the mom is getting
out and he goes, I'm gonna wait for backup. He's
like the only in the show's history he asks for backup,
waits to go in and I bet he would say
yes to protective custody and a detail.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Like I just love that Munch was down to chill.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, But anyways, we see the mom in the sun.
They're in a warehouse. There's a lot of boxes. She's
trying to protect him. They take them both away and
cuffs and they're in separate rooms. They're trying to make
him realize that he's in huge trouble. He starts talking
about Zoultar and listen obviously, like you know, you have
to have a mental break down, Like he's an an
unwell boy. This boy is sick. But I I like

(36:05):
it goes on too long. It's like so annoying.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Also, Zoltar is the movie in the movie is the
machine in the movie Big that turns Tom Hanks from
a little boy into a man.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
He's like, uh, he's the fortune teller. Well, it's at
Coney Islands. I've I've visited Zultar, Oh very much. Oh okay.
I like the There's a woman next to him, and
I like her better. Of course her fortune are a
little more on point Zults.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
We are obviously a pro female fortune teller podcast. Of
course over Zultar any day. But it's interesting that they
just picked this.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
There's a million, like made up names you can make
about this man who's in your dreams making you kill people,
you know, and he.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Chose Zultar, Baby, Vultar.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
He says it's the shooter and the drawing, and he
starts hitting himself. They're like, zult is gonna and he goes,
Zulter is gonna kill you. He thrashing. There's so much thrashing.
Stabler's holding him. His lawyer says, we're stopping this. This
boy is sick. He can't stand trial. And then, you know,
do we believe him, do we not. We got a
Benson Huang, you know, spying in. So Huang and Benson

(37:16):
believe the boy, and of course Stabler Kragan are questioning
the boy. But he has a pass of depression and
probably add his journals are dark, but he's talented. Something
tipped the fantasy to reality. That's Huang's big thing. Benson's like, well,
the janitor gave him a gun, and Huang's like, no,
that's not enough, Like that's the means, but that's not
the trigger to the psychotic episode. So what are what

(37:37):
could be the possible triggers. Huang is like, well, maybe
it's alcohol or drugs or lack of sleep or other stressors.
And then Craigan jumps in like, okay, can we actually
feel more bad for like the two kids that are killed.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Let's focus on that.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
But they do need a confession, and Huang's like, listen,
we need to give him food, rest, pencil and paper.
Wang's in there and he hasn't slept since Wednesday. It's Saturday.
He's thrashing, and I love the word thrashing, I really do.
I think that's one of my favorite words. Thrashing. He's
on the grates of the windows. I mean, Stabler's just

(38:09):
watching the thrashing. There's walking. He didn't want to take
the pills, but he had bad nightmares, and the pills,
you know, give him loud noises. He wanted the noises
to stop. Along's being very sweet and calming, and he's like, well,
what are the voices saying? So is to do stuff?
And Stabler goes Zoltar and that makes him thrash some more.
And then he poses like truly Britney Spears trying to

(38:30):
be sexy in a music video against the Greats, and
I paused it to write down notes and like, Stabler
looks disgusted at the post too. He's like, fuck, bro,
like stop, you're being weird. And so now we get
the bull you know, he gets bullied. He gets the pants.
People are so mean to him. He's breathing deep. He's talking,
I need the shooting running bang bang, okay, move on,

(38:53):
like I'm it just goes on forever again.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I'm writing thrashing.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Maybe I'm the problem breathing just tell us so. Anyways,
so he put his gun to his head because he
wanted to get rid of the voices. That's what happened,
and then everything's a blur. He's like, everyone's so mean
to me. He starts to cry and he wants to
see his mom. So now Craigan and Cabot, and Cabot
has fully full fluffy bangs and it's really hard to

(39:18):
pay attention to anything. She goes, this is hard, Like
he's thirteen, so it should be family court. But it's
premeditated murder. That's adult. And so then the DA wants
to charge him as an adult. An arrayment is Monday,
so Barry Mordock, the Crusader style lawyer, is taking the case.
But Cabot's like, well, what this isn't a constitutional issue?
What are you doing here? He goes the fourteenth Amendment,

(39:39):
the right to refuse medication and the right to privacy.
Joey's school made him take aptril and if you used to,
if you've been to our live shows before, we're going
to be in DC, so there's you know, if you
want to see one. But aptrol was the answer to
one of our trivia questions. Classic a classic trill, Yes, yes,

(40:01):
and so that's a you know, it's a wild pill.
Barry is smiling and he goes, we're gonna have a
fun time in Core and he's taking on this case
for free, and she's like the you know, fuck off.
The side effects of drugs do not cause people to murder.
And he's like, well it's mania. Mania is a side effect.
You can't blame a boy for having a manic episode
from a side effect that the drug was forced upon him,

(40:24):
you know, and kab but it's like, wow, you sure
know a lot about aptral and he's like, well, yeah,
you can thank the doctor who called me about this case.
Guess who it was, Hwong, Baby, it was Wong Damn
Trader starting in season four of Traders. Wait, bitch, are
you watching Traders? I'm about to start. I'm truly going
to start. I'm watching this season.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I'm going to start, not start all okay, I know,
like no, no, no, because I want to. I'm telling you,
you want to, like millennial TikTok. Whatever the reason is
is that it's just on Peacock and it's not on
my cable. If it was on my cable, I would
just have it saved on my DVR. I'll be watching it.
I'm an old person. I just want it on my
fucking cable. But I'm gonna watch it because I'm really

(41:05):
interested and I want to watch what Bob does.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
And there's a new season of two too.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Oh yes, yes, oh my gosh, there's been a lot
happen I now.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
So anyways, Cabot runs in. She's screaming into the precinct.
Benson and Stabler watch and Huang turns around slowly, and
Cabot's like, what the fuck were you thinking handing this
case over to Barry Mordoc. So Huang is like, listen,
Barry seemed concerned about the boy. I'm concerned about the boy.
And she's like, yeah, but you handed him a defense.
And she's like, you know, why don't you just publish
an article? Why are you fucking with my case? And

(41:37):
he's like, fuck you before you keep railing against me,
why don't you see what your detectives feel about this,
you know? And so then the detectives are like, well,
let's go talk to the doctor who prescribed these pills.
But doctor Engels, of course, the psychiatrist is like, well,
I can't let you guys know, you know, doctor patient,
you know, confidentiality. And then the guy is in shock
though when he hears why they're like, hello.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
The shooting. He goes, oh my god, like you could tell.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
You really rattled by the news, and he breaks his
ethical work codes immediately. He's like, I actually didn't prescribe
the drug, but the boy came in for therapy. I
think therapy could have worked for him. But after the
second session, HMO said that they wouldn't approve him as
a doctor and they wouldn't pay for them. They wouldn't

(42:20):
pay for it, but they would pay for the medication.
So HMO refused to pay for therapy but paid for
the pills. He's like, yeah, therapy is thousands of dollars
and lots of hours. Pills are cheap and quick, and
he's like, and I did not get I don't even
like giving kids meds, and we don't know what these
powerful drugs can do to these children. And they're like, okay,
but how did he get them? And it's important we

(42:40):
have to find out how he got these pills. So
the detectives are workshopping how he got them, so it's like,
did he buy him from school? And then Stable brings
up snorting adderall and a riddlin, and it's like, this
boy is not snorting Riddlin and drug dealing like this,
Like he's not a he does not have a friend.
Who is he buying? Really, I'm snorting with you. Fucking

(43:02):
I just hate when these like amazing detectives with the
best crime rate in all of Manhattan are like fucking
stupid sobs. Cabot's like, you know what, I know one
person I can ask to see how he got these
fucking pills. So she's with the boy Joey and Barry
and they're like, well, let's you know, where'd you get
these pills? And Murdoch of course goes it's a phishing expedition,

(43:23):
and Cabbot goes, listen, you're saying the drugs made him
do it. I want to know who gave him the pills,
and he says I don't know, so like, no doctor
gave it to him, so he got it himself. So
he's a criminal. So what's going on? You wanted to
be on those pills? And Barry's like, babe, I don't
know what you're bringing. I don't like this. I'll see
you in court. So now we're in court, so you
know this game. We're in court and the defense has

(43:44):
a you know, a professional on the stand and Cabot's
going to be like you dumb whore and like bring
her down. So basically, like one point eight percent of
people that took aptrol had manic reactions to it. So
using the numbers of how many people are anatural, that
means basically like fifty to seventy thousand people could have
these kind of manic reactions at any moment. And then

(44:07):
but it's like a bad study. So the study only
had one hundred and ninety people in it. That's not
enough to imply that seventy thousand people are going to
get it. And the results of the trial have also
never been replicated, and you need that for it to
be credible. So then this professional, this is like one
of my favorite things that's ever happened.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Son.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
The professional brings up anecdotal evidence in Cabot goes, I
thought you were here as a scientist, not as a storyteller.
Burn boom, Get out of here, Get out of here.
So he's on the stand, the little boy, and he's like,
you know, I felt on fire. Nothing could hurt me.
I did kill those boys. I wanted to die. I

(44:49):
was trying to take my own life, but I was
shaking too much. And then Cabot shows the drawing not
good for you, Joey, and he's like, it's just a drawing,
and it's like, no, it's the dead kids from the gym.
But also, you keep aiming aptrel. But you drew these
and went to a psychiatrist and planned the shooting before
anyone gave you aptrol. So boom baby, And this is
one of the worst wigs of all time. On the stand,

(45:11):
I would say, especially the hair is bad. The wig
is weird. It's a weird choice. It's a weird hairdo.
It's like, what were they trying to say? Like, there's
just so many questions with the wig, but also a
lot of questions with aptrol, and where did he get
the drugs?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Okay, So then the little culkin.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Is like, maybe I had the thoughts, but I wouldn't
have done it without the drug, And so then it's
like who prescribed it?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
You know, no one.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
He's stuttering, I don't know, I don't know. He's screaming,
I don't know. Cabot's like, you wanted it, you stole it.
Stop you know, they're they're on a they're on a
scream fest. And then the mom gets up and says,
I gave it to him. Okay, it was me. Cabot
is stunned. Wow, she's wrong. So we're in blind's room,
but it's like the dingy one. She told Barry Murdock

(45:54):
about the pills and he said it doesn't matter, you know, where,
as long as he took them. So then they're like,
so it was prescribed by a doctor and she goes, no,
it just showed up in the mail. It just arrived
and they're like what. She goes, no, I didn't buy it.
I didn't ask for it nothing, it just arrived. She's like, yeah,
when the HMO said that they weren't going to pay
for therapy, the pills just arrived on my steps. And
they're like what the fuck? And she's like, listen, I

(46:17):
started a new job. He was getting in trouble in school.
My boss was mad, and then the school said that like,
if he doesn't get medicated, he can't go to school.
And then a box of pills just arrived and she has,
you know, the letter and a doctor from three years
AGO's name on it. So that's like somehow this doctor
she hadn't seen for three years sent her a letter
with these pills. She says, I love my son. I

(46:39):
wouldn't do anything to hurt him. He was going to
get kicked out of school, and I, you know, I
wouldn't have a job. And then Sail there's a piece
of shit here and goes, you gave your kid drugs
to get to work on time?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Fuck you? Oh my god, he's cute.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Everyone said it was okay, and she's like, you know,
everyone wanted him to do it, and they're like, well,
why not get a prescription. She's like, I didn't want
him to get labeled. That follows you for life. And
one day came home from work and it was on
the steps. So I gave it to him. And she's
crying and she's like, I thought no one will know
and everything will be okay. She's crying even harder. Now.
This is all so heavy, and I feel like her

(47:12):
and Becky and Baker from the episode Justice. I hope
they find a support group together about moms whose fault
it is so I feel bad. They're just such sad
moms with such big decisions to make. So Cabot is
with the squad and you know, on the phone with
the pharmacy and the pharmacy said the prescription was legitimate
and it was signed by a real doctor and all

(47:34):
they did was mail out the medicine. And Craigan's like,
but is there a crime. Benson goes, I mean it's sleazy.
Cabot's like, no, it's worse than sleazy. Stabler comes in
with a poster and a spokesman CEO from this company
denies that they would do a mail out thing, but
it's like the letter that was with the pills is
on the letter head of this drug company. Stabler says

(47:57):
that their response to that was that this is a
rogue employer who did this and they're gonna s soon
be found out.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
So what can we do now?

Speaker 2 (48:04):
So we go talk to the doctor who like is
on the prescription from years ago. So we go talk
to him and they're like, well, what's the incentive? And
I'm guessing it's money. So we're in Chelsea and he says,
that's my signature, but I didn't write or read the letter.
And he's like skimming in and sables like, aren't you
the least bit pissed off someone could do this? And
he's like, listen, it was part of a marketing thing.

(48:26):
They said that they would send samples, but only to
patients who had taken the drug before, and he's like,
and they asked how many letters did he sign for this?
And he goes twenty four letters and they're like, well,
will you share the patientless He's like, oh, I shared it,
but only those with depression, and Kabit goes well with
or without their consent, and he goes, no, I didn't
consult them, and Saber goes, fuck you, I can't believe
you would do this.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
He goes, listen, I got paid nothing.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
They guaranteed the three month supply of essential drugs for
the clinic, and most patients here have no insurance, and
if I don't help them, no one will.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
She's like, whoa fuck, how's the deal?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
You know, how's your deal with the devil going he goes,
If it helps poor patients that need the medicine that
can't afford it, I'm fine with it, Like and I'm shocked.
I didn't expect him to try like that. He was
trying to be good, yeah, you know, And.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah that's where they get you, because you're like, oh,
I kind of see why you did it, but it's
like you would it have been pretty easy also to
just tell them, Hey, I'm having this sent to you
and like, what do you want it? Sign a consent form. Yeah,
it's only a few people. It wouldn't have been that hard.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
So he's like Aptrel's also a good drug, Like what
could have happened? And then he hears what happened and he's,
you know, upset, So he gives up the pharmacy wrap.
Jane Wellesley so they go find her and she's like
fidgeting at the trunk of a luxury station wagon. She
has boxes and boxes of Aptril and she's like, oh,
I have nothing to say, and Cabot on Fire, like

(49:47):
I said in this episode, goes, how do you know
what we're gonna ask?

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Love it?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
She's like no, no, and they use guilt and like
what about your kids? We need you to talk and
she's like we were very careful and and he goes, no,
people are dead, and her face shows some worry and fear.
But at the end of it, she goes, I have
an appointment, like excuse me. So then she but before
she closes the door, cab It catches her and goes,
you said we sent it out, so that means the

(50:14):
company knew what you were doing. It wasn't just you
deciding to like do this marketing scam. And so she
zooms off. We see it's a BMW, which is the
number one car of assholes. I would say, that's my
that's my opinion, and.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
It's full of salses working its way up. But yeah,
now it's fucking cyber trucks.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
That is true. That is one hundred percent true. It
is a cyber truck. So embarrassing. I oh my god,
oh my god. But she zooms off with you know
in her beamrah pills Cabot nods, she's gonna bring them down. First,
she stops at Huang's office for some advice, and she
thinks that the direct marketing tactics are directly responsible for
Joey's maname, you know mania, which led to the shooting.

(50:56):
And this is all fucked and she's like, the trial
starts tomorrow. I think I'm gonna win and I don't
want to, and Huan goes, will plead him out. She goes,
but how's that justice for the two dead boys? And
he's like, it's not. But you can help Joey, like,
you know, get him to the psychiatric care that he
needs and that's actually justice. And Cabot thinks about it,
and they go to Juvie and she's, you know, has

(51:16):
a meeting with Barry. Barry does not want to take
the deal at all. She's trying really hard. Cabot's like, listen,
just have him plead to guilty to manslaughter and he
goes to a psychiatric care facility and gets proper treatment.
He nods, he understands what you know she's saying. And
they're gonna let the kid decide. And the mom's like, wait,
we're gonna do this right now, and she starts panicking.
She's like, I need time to talk to Joey and

(51:39):
make a decision, but courts tomorrow, like they need to
make this deal asap. And Joey to his mom's like, no, girl,
like it's okay, I know, I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I want to get better. She hugs him.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
They all cry, and Cabot's now walking out of her
office and then knock, knock, knock on the if you
want me, but it's Fred Thomas and so and Fred
Thomas and is not happy with this deal. He's like,
man two for a double murder and he's like, you're
just letting Barry win. She's like, no, I got new information.
Corporate greed got involved. And then Fred Thompson, I took

(52:13):
a photo of this immediately as I was watching it,
he says, corporate greed is the beating heart of America.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Alex, Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
When you said this episode is so timely, I wasn't
even thinking about these implications. I was thinking more of
just like you know, gun violence in schools. But yes, damn,
I'm also this is a Luigi coded episode. I'll make
myself a Luigi bracelet. That's what I'll do for myself.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I'll say it again, corporate greed is the beating heart
of America. Alex, Ah, god, it is. That is it?
It's really corporate greed and racism. Yeah, it's really cool,
really concise. The show is incredible. We're so looking so prescient,

(53:02):
like the show like predicts the future. Yeah. So, but
he wants justice for the two boys, and I do
understand that. And then he calls her a bleeding heart,
which is like, Cabo, it's not a bleeding heart.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
She's a prosecutor.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Like, it's so funny with this nonsense but she he goes,
this is nonsense, but she does believe in it. She
thinks they are responsible, this drug company, and he goes, fine,
then get me justice.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I don't care how high you have to go.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I mean, you don't have to tell Alex twice she
will bust into a boardroom at any at a drop
of a hat. She goes to find Jane, harasses her
to come sit down with Joey's mother. Sandra confronts Jane
and he's like, you said it was safe, and I
gave it to my son. And she's like, yeah, you
shouldn't have done that, you know. And they're like, but
you just you just sent it. There was no warnings nothing.
The mom is just like upset. She's like, yeah, I

(53:50):
know what I did wrong. I know what my son
did wrong, but like your company, you did some of
you you have to share some of the guilts in this.
And Jane says, there were clear instructions and you didn't
follow them. And then it's like, you're a mother, what
if this was your kids? And how does that feel?
My kid's on murderer. I don't know why I said
it in that voice. It was like a.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Touching scene, but you know, the classic.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
But she begs her like, please, don't you love your children, like,
don't let that people just like, don't let this company
destroy anymore lives. This moves Jane. She's teary eyed. I
can't take Cabot seriously with these bangs. She says you
Jane says, do what do you want from me? And
then one of our favorite tropes, well you know what

(54:33):
she wants. I'm so excited, big business meeting giant, like
you know, building in the sky of view windows suits.
I count five women, forty men. And then Stabler is
like in front, and then Cabot and Benson are flanking
him in the back and they're walking Charlie's Angel style
to arrest his ass. And he's like, what is this
a hostile takeover?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Lol?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
And they're like, fuck you bitch, and so yeah, they're
like you sign an okay, this marketing we found evan
and so yeah. So the mom finally was guilted into
sharing all of the evidence that showed the company new
He okayed the marketing plan, he oh, is okay getting
patient lists, and Stabler is arresting him and I love
a rich man not being able to talk his way

(55:15):
out of something and he goes, stop it, you're hurting me.
And then Cabot walks away and she's like so hot
and she's like, yeah, like I did that so good,
dick wolf baby.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
And that is that.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
The sad part is like every time this show does
give you a little boost of like Sarah Chnin kind
of whereen when they arrest like a big pharmacy guy
or whatever. But you know, those fucking guys never go
to jail, Like, they never ever go to jail. They
never get purp walked out in the middle of a
board meeting like we're gonna find out more, but like

(55:50):
it's just, oh, I want to see it, but it
doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
And that's why Luigi matters.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Into his own hands allegedly allegedly alleged him.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
But somebody did. Somebody did when they got that guy.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Okay, let's get into the real cases.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
There's a few little cases.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
What there was a story just about the bad wig
that was that was the true crime of the episode.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
So we'll start in like kind of chronologically in how
the episode lays out with a school shooting on February
twenty sixth of nineteen ninety two, fifteen year old Khalil
Sumpter shot Ian Moore, age seventeen, and Tyrone Sinkler, aged sixteen,
dead in the hallways of their high school, which was
Thomas Jefferson High School in East New York, which is
a section of Brooklyn. At this time, guns are running

(56:46):
rampant on the streets of East New York.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
People are killing people who look at them the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Like it is a bad it's a bad time moment
in time for this area, and guns are everywhere. On
the day of the killings, actually about an hour later,
Mayor David Dinkin was scheduled to visit the school to
tell the kids to stay.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Off drugs and stay away from guns. And the hour
before the shooting happens. What so did the guys, Like,
did the student here, that's the talk. No, he he
didn't come.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
They canceled the visit because of this, you know, you know,
like there was a huge issue at the school, like
a double homicide.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
And I thought I heard Dinkin's message and said that's
a like fuck that guy.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, and like the like, this is a neighborhood where
a lot of teens have records. The New York Times
wrote about the three boys involved. Quote, none of the
youths qualified as full fledged hoodlums, so I wouldn't use
that word. That's the Times from the early nineties saying that,
but all these boys had records, but they were like
not anything super serious. Like, they had records, but they

(57:50):
weren't for anything big. The article does also use the
R words several times, just to take you back to
where it is about, you know, mental, about people's mental state,
and then two sentences later they used the word punctilius.
So there's a lot happening in this article from the
New York Times. But the victims lived the two victims
lived in the same housing project, and the shooter, Sumter,

(58:11):
lived a couple streets away. And the word on the
street was that the two victims would pick on Sumter
and intimidate him, but also that Sumter was just a
quote unquote a punk trying to prove himself, according to
a witness statement to the Times. But in junior high,
these guys were all friends in junior high until Tyrone
and Khalil allegedly tried to rob another kid and then

(58:33):
when he didn't have any money, they beat him up.
And then Tyrone got busted for it and Khalil walked,
So Tyrone assumed that Khalil made a deal and rat
it on him, but the police confirmed that that's not
what happened, so but still they became enemies over this.
So then later, according to other students, the other victim,
Ian tried to steal a gold nugget bracelet from this

(58:54):
other kid named Dupree who is Khalil's best friend, and
the robbery didn't work out, but still setting up Dupree
and Khalil do not like Tyrone and Ian. The next day,
Khalil wore the bracelet to taunt Ian and trol him
about not being able.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
To steal it. So these guys hate each other.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Ultimately, Khalil was too scared to really start an altercation
with Tyrone, who was very big, but they'd all they'd
go all out on harassing Ian, who had recently lost
a bunch of weight due to an operation, which is
sad and Khalil claims that in the days leading up
to the killing, Tyrone threatened him and his family and
shot at him on the street, but there was never
any evidence that turned up that Tyrone or Ian had guns.

(59:32):
And the prosecution thought that Khalil was making up that story.
He said, after these threats and after being openly shot at,
allegedly he borrowed a thirty eight, but police said that
the gun had originally been stolen in nineteen eighty nine
from an off duty campus police officer at the University
of Medicine and Dentistry in New Jersey in Plainfield, New Jersey.

(59:53):
So I don't know how this gun got into his hands,
but he somehow got it or borrowed it from someone.
One account says that on the day in question, people
had told Khalil he was about to get jumped. So
all of these things are building and building. So when
he sees these guys in the hallway, he says he
thought one of them reached into his waistband, and Khalil
thought he was reaching for a gun, so he shot

(01:00:13):
both of them dead. He confested the shooting. He claimed
he was in fear for his life. He said on
the stand, I thought my life was in danger. I
thought I'd suffer serious harm. A jury found him guilty
of secondary degree murder, but immediately reduced that finding to
first degree manslaughter, which these kind of reductions can happen
when a jury finds that while the killing was intentional,

(01:00:34):
which is a definition of second degree murder, the actions
were carried out with a mitigating circumstance quote unquote. So
in this case, they're calling the mitigating circumstance extreme emotional distress.
So when he addressed the judge, Sumpter said, I didn't
do this out of hate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I was pushed into it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
So he was facing a max of three and a
third years to ten years each for each of the
two manslaughter convictions, and he would have gotten nine to
life for each if he had it, if they hadn't
immediately lowered the charge to manslaughter.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
He did get the max.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
He got six and two thirds years to twenty years
in prison, which is the longest possible term for someone
guilty of two counts of manslaughter committed at the age
of fifteen. So I don't know when he got out.
I mean, this happened in the nineties, so he would
have gone out already. But I looked him up in
the I looked his name up in the Uh maybe
his name is somehow changed in these because he's only fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
But he's not in the inmate look up even though
they have people that have left. So I don't know
why I couldn't find him in the inmate look up.
But he's out now he should be, so that I wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Because he's a juvenile, doesn't SV like those records get
expunged or like yeah, or you can't follow along or
they get sealed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
But that's also just from episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Yeah, but he also does go to prison, so I
wonder if they tried him as an adult, like he
doesn't go to a juvenile facility. I don't know, I
have no idea, but that just is like where they
drew some of the bar getting the gun because the
kids are making, you know, like the storyline at the beginning.
Then they obviously referenced Columbine directly, which occurred in April
of nineteen ninety nine and is one of the most

(01:02:08):
infamous school shootings in US history. I'm not going to
go super in depth about what happened at Columbine. I
feel like everybody knows the story, sadly, it's been replicated
hundreds of times since. But essentially what happened was that
two high school seniors in Columbine, Colorado, Eric Harris and
Dylan Klebold murdered twelve students and one teacher and then
took their own lives. They planned the massacre for a

(01:02:29):
year before they did it. One thing I didn't know
about that was that they actually had planned a bunch
of bombs and then they wanted it to be a bombing,
but all their bombs failed to detonate, so then they
went on with a school shooting. So it sparked copycat killings,
which are now called the Columbine effect. One connection to
this episode is the fact that one of the shooters,
Eric Harris, was on a psychiatric drug called Louvox at

(01:02:52):
the time of the murders. The drug is an SSRI,
which stands for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, which was prescribed
which is used to prescribe obsessive compulsive disorder, and then
it says and associated depression. But when you look up louvox,
it's mostly prescribed for OCD. It's in the same pharmacological

(01:03:13):
category as prozac, zoloft, and pacsil. According to the Washington Post,
which by the way, I had to go on Reddit
to figure out a way to hop the paywall of
Washington Post and I literally was in Java script doing commands,
and I want you all to know how far I
went to get not pay for the Washington Post, but
to give you this information.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Thank you for your service.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
They were You're welcome, but they were one of the
only places that had like a specific article about the
medication that this kid was on. So according to the
Washington Post, quote it's praised by health professionals as an
important tool in the treatment of an inherited disorder end quote,
it's supposed to help curb recurring in irrational thoughts, impulses, images,
you know, a lot of the symptoms of OCD. The

(01:03:55):
company that made it was called Solve Pharmaceuticals. They said
that six point nine million patients of all ages worldwide
have used it, and some people in the article are
that they interview even call it a miracle drug. Even
though suicidal ideation was listed as a possible side effect,
private practitioners and the manufacturer that said that occurrences like
that are rare and likely to be caused by underlying depression,

(01:04:17):
and a report released by the US Agency for Healthcare
Policy and Research stated that there hadn't been enough research
on whether SSRIs are effective in treating depressed children and
adolescents and mildly depressed adults. Studies before Louvox came out
said that the drug triggered mania in one percent of cases,

(01:04:38):
but it was also then clarified that those were people
who actually had bipolar effective disorder, in which there are
swings between high highs and lows, you know, like agitated
moods and depressions. So that's I don't know, that's some
facts on louvox. There's no nothing conclusive really about whether
it affected the Columbine shooter. Some people apparently had issues

(01:05:01):
trying to get off the drug that would make thoughts
of suicide come up, and then as soon as they
got back on the drug, those thoughts would stop.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Jerry L.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Russian, a University of North Carolina pediatrician who studies serotonin drugs,
told The Washington Posts that patients who stopped taking the
drugs typically experience withdrawals, including agitation and anxiety, but didn't
get into whether it was, you know, a suicidal ideation
was a huge part of the withdrawal. But there were
reports that Eric Harris, the Columbine shooter, had tried to

(01:05:30):
stop taking Louvox because the Marines had rejected him for
being on it, like the Marines had said, like, we can't,
you can't be on like a psychotropic drug. But the
FDA has found no evidence that it's linked to violence,
and Louvox has increasingly been prescribed to adolescents, but critics
say that more trials and testing need to be done
to understand the side effects on that age group. So

(01:05:53):
here's another interesting connection is the case of there's a
lawsuit was filed in nineteen ninety six called Franklin versus
Park Davis. So doctor David Franklin was a whistleblower who
blew the whistle on what he believed to be Park
Davis's illegal marketing practices in connection with sales of the

(01:06:15):
drug neurontin.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
I hope I'm saying that right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Neurontin, and which Park Davis, by the way, is now Pfizer,
So I don't know, but it's Pfizer now. So Neuronton
was an FDA approved secondary course of treatment for epilepsy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Okay, it's an epilepsy drug.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
But uh oh, capitalism is the beating heart of America.
It's not making enough money as an epilepsy drug. We
don't have enough people with epilepsy or whatever. It's not
making enough money, so they're like, let's promote it for
additional indications, like for additional medical layeds.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Yes, exactly. So the drug was not.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
A few party that knew that I actually really am
I was just looking up what that was, which is
not illegal. It's not illegal to prescribe off label. I
didn't know that. So the drug was not approved by
the FDA for any of these things, and there was
little to no evidence that it even helped these things.
But they started prescribing it for migraines, bipolar add they

(01:07:14):
ignored studies that claimed that said that it really didn't
do much, and in the case of bipolar disorder, no
study has actually ever shown that it had a benefit
over the placebo. So like there's no like some people say, oh,
I might have helped a little bit with migraines or whatever,
but like nothing for the bipolar, which is you know
where I would say more spheres of depression and stuff

(01:07:36):
were coming in. So doctor Franklin was hired to conduct
marketing of the drug, and he found that this pharmaceutical
company was paying doctors for like illegal kickbacks for prescribing it,
including expensive meals like stays at luxury resorts cash. I mean,
we got this nice doctor in this episode who's getting
paid with drugs for his clinic, which you know obviously

(01:07:59):
makes you so unrealistic. Yeah, but this is like they're
just literally giving doctor. I mean, I worked at my
mom's office and pharmaceutical reps brought in lunch all the time, Like,
and they're in, they're bringing you sandwiches. You're like, oh
my god, I guess I love flow vent. Now they're
giving me, you know, like a nice rap sandwich. But
of course, doctors who have an oath, who've taken hippocratic

(01:08:21):
oath are not usually giving out prescriptions to shit because
they got free sandwiches or vacations.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
But I guess some of these doctors were.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Park Davis had hired ad agencies and marketing firms to
write articles about, oh sorry, gabapentin is also the name
of this drug. So they had hired marketing firms and
ad agencies to write these articles about Wow, You're gonna
love gabapentin, and then recruited physicians and paid them to
sign their names on the articles. Even though they were
ghost written by probably people that aren't even medical professionals.

(01:08:51):
And so, according to Franklin, a case report stated that
neuratonin had made a child's attention deficit order worse, and
his supervisors dismissed the report and that was a part
of his key decision to leave the Park Davis after
only working there for four months. And he actually said
that a supervisor told him, your career is going to

(01:09:12):
get fucked if you keep raising problems about this, and
that's what prompted him to quit. And he filed this lawsuit,
and I, you know, a lot of this stuff is
like very hard.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
To like a lot of this. When I was reading
these articles about this, I was like, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
But I think the summary judgment was thrown out and
it was settled.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
It was settled.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
And how much he got four hundred and thirty million
dollars to resolve criminal and civil liability related to the
off label promotion of narontan.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
He got that or if that was, but it was
it was like they had they had violated the False
Claims Act. So there's a lot of like medical health
insurance mombo jumbo in this that I could don't really
sift through, but I think I gave you, like the
basic you know, the part of this that they drew
from was like the pharmaceutical companies acting shady and trying

(01:10:09):
to make more money on medications.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I was just like, why can't it be enough, like
the greed, Like I just can't believe it's that crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
I know, I know it's really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
And yeah, as you like so ahead of the time,
like that is so fuck that, like kids could get
better with therapy, and they're just like, no, medications are
way easier than us paying like expensive therapists for years
on end, you know, like they have no.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
There's no depths to their depravity. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah, Well we don't have a guest for this one,
so we can just move on to recapping how depressing
this talking.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
About or are we just dug about Luigi? All right?
So obviously, I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Mean so timely. Can you fucking imagine we're doing making
manic that's crazy, I know, crazy in the scope of
you know, in the world of Luigi. Yeah, but they're
suppressing the shit out of the story and everyone thinks
that I'm being crazy, and I'm just like, you don't
like this is the case, Like this is such a
big case. The fact that it's not in the news
cycle is crazy. Why is like I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Like I'm like, I'm wondering if it's like, Okay, it
absolutely could be like suppression on purpose. It's also like
is it one of those things where like we research
some of these murders that happened like at the same
time as Scott Peterson was happening, so they got eclipsed,
Like is it everything that's happening with the world is
just like eclipsing the Luigi stuff, Like I know, because
we're still talking about Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, you

(01:11:49):
know what I mean. It's it's like, no, there's room
for everything. This is like that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
This is like specific purposeful suppression.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
And I'm scared they're gonna like do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
A gag order or something for the case, like that
would be terrible. Yeah, but we just need to move
forward to it. And the thing is like all the
like Luigi instagram's are just like I want to know
what maniacs like I do think I'm one of the
more normal of the Luigi.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Heads, and like the edits are creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
The edits are weird and it's like, I don't want
to see a Science Fare photos from seventeen. I'm like,
this is weird. I'm like, you guys are weird. Shit
stop you know, yeah, but maybe they're keeping quiet well,
so I'm gonna just request her. The attorney is on
Instagram as a private account, like, do you think Karen
will follow?

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Let me follow her?

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I mean, I wish that they didn't change blue check marks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
It fucking pisses me off.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Are like I used to actually mean something so like
it would be make you credible, and now it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
And that's like so fucking annoying. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
I didn't think Instagram was gonna do it, but Zuckerberg's
doing everything Elon does now, so bye bye confirming.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Your identity asers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
The only thing I would say about everything is like,
I'm at the I'm at these things comics like I
posted this on my stories too, but like, what happened
to being punk rock?

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Really fucking saying something like I'm so sick of these
dudes going on stage towing the like making these like
both sides. There was a fucking comic that went on
stage and did abortion material. I was like, well, you know,
it is taking a life, which I'm not. And I'm like,
are you fucking kidding me? I'm gonna confront and be like,
you know, shouldn't be saying this shit on stage, like
our rights are being taken away. And what's crazy is

(01:13:27):
I was. I got into a fucking debate. I couldn't
even believe it. This guy was like, well, why don't
we have Black History Months? Shouldn't exist? And this person's black,
so it's like really hard to like or you know
what I mean, Yeah, but they're a troll. Like everyone
was like, that person's a troll, Like he just want
you know whatever, and he goes, well, Morgan Freeman said,
why isn't there like a Jewish his stream month and
there's a black when he's like, I didn't realize that
was inferior to any of my friends, and then my

(01:13:48):
friends felt bad, and he's I'm like, I don't think
Black History Month is teaching black people they're inferior. I
think it's the point is to teach that they were
treated very badly, like white people should understand the history.
I'm like, it's just history that is being suppressed and
I go, there isn't a Jewish History Month here because
Jews have not been like discriminated against hugely in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Our society like in America.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
In America, I'm like, it would be weird, and he
was like, oh, I didn't even think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
So I did feel good that. I was like, what
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
But it is like if that's your experience as a
black person, like I it's just because you know about
my Special. I was like talking to George Sivus about
this and it was on their podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
But like I was like, you know, Netflix, as a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
I wanted to call my Special dumb bitch and they're
like that actually slays and is so funny and it
would catch attention. I go, no, I know, but like
I can't call myself a dumb bitch in this world,
Like it's not fun anymore. Like if everything was fine,
it's fine, but I can't like go on and be like,
oh look, I'm a dumb bitch because that and he goes, yeah,
you can't be like ironic or silly anymore because things
are so tense, Like you can't really take back all

(01:14:48):
these words because they are so real right now, Yeah,
like you have to fucking be above it, like you
have like flick these motherfuckers off, you know, Like I
there was a comic doing a joke about how the
people on January sixth are disgusting, like to just unleash
these disgusting people who murdered like employees and went into
a capitol and off stage a woman went up to

(01:15:10):
him and was like, fuck you, I uhould be ashamed,
like starting to fight with him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
It's like things are serious and it's everywhere, and I
just can't believe you would go on stage and like, well,
Biden's old.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
To fuck you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
There's Nazis, there's highlers, like fuck you. Comedy used to
be so fucking cool and like fuck the system, and
now it's just like these complicit, fucking losers, and I'm
disgusted with the people I perfer around.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Yeah, comedy used to be too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Yeah, Richard Pryor fucking on crack sucking dick, that's what
I miss.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
We still have.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
We have you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Okay, So this is fucked up and obviously very fucked
I mean, I don't know, the woman's so relevant, it's
still relevant.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
But also the woman in the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Oh you know, how I know the woman in the episode.
She's on fucking Broadway right now, she's in Cult of Love.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Oh May wading you? Yes? I was like, why do
I know her face? Fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Oh yeah, but you know I don't love her just
giving her kid a medication that a doctor hasn't talked
to her about, but this is it's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Baloney, making her feel bad. Oh you didn't want to
lose your job? Are you fucking crazy? So Gracey? Men
just leaving families. Men need to be fucking If you
leave your family and you do not financially or like
presently support your family, you should be in prison.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Yeah. Men should be in prison if you don't take
her or like yeah, or you work it off.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
You work it off in a labor camp and the
money goes to your your wife and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
He gets just leave and she needs to take care
of this wild kid and and then I don't know,
but I felt for her when she goes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
I mean, what could go wrong? Cries Thank God? Life
is so hard for so many people. Yeah. Yeah, and
it still.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Is to not be able to afford medication for your
to like finally get therapy and try to help your kid,
and you can't afford it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
The fuck is that? Let's get into what would Sister
peg Do?

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
This is our weekly segment where we try to give
you more information about the topics that we're broached in
today's episode. And today we'd like to point you to
Brady United Against Gun Violence. This is the oldest gun
violence prevention group. It is founded and led by survivors
of gun violence, and they have a three point strategy
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in the country. So for more information on that or

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Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah and the next week's episode and we recorded it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
I know we did. I have no recollection what this is,
but we did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
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us because I'll find out what we did. You'll find
out what we did. It'll be perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
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next week. Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
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