Monster's Legacy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
These are our stories.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Done done, Yay, that's messed up.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
An SVU podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I am Lisa and I'm Kara, and you guys, I
mean hopefully it's episode two twenty.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
You get it. It's a shita.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
We talk about an episode of SVU, we talk about
the true crime that it was based on, and then
sometimes we interview somebody and first we just chitchat, catch up,
rant about the state of the world.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
You guys know what we do. Well, I'm at you know,
I'm post soul cycle.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
And today it was an EDM class, so I was
I thought I was gonna hate it. I think I'm
into EDM. Yeah, like it was really fun and she
did such a good job, Rachel. But then after class
it was her and a few other you know, class participants,
and I go, I didn't know, I like, DVM, this

(01:18):
this was so fun and she goes, yeah, it's just
like nostalgic, you know, reminds me of high school. I'm like, sure,
You're sure bitch. She's like, it's twenty fourteen. You know,
it's just so nostalgic.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh my god, yeah yeah, sure, absolutely, yeah, that's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
And they were like, yeah, reminds me of school dances.
I was like truly mid twenties. It was just like
I was like getting married. Wow, so funny. And the comics. Now,
I was at the cellar and they're all like twenty six,
twenty seven, and that was me, you know at some point.

(01:58):
But they're all surprised I'm thirty seven. But I think
it's the like I live an immature lifestyle. Maybe they
were all really shocked.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well yeah, I get that.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I mean they're like whoa, And I'm like, well, yeah,
I've I've achieved a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
It would be crazy if I was your age.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Right, yes, But I think also when you're twenty like
five or six, you think thirty seven is super old,
and it's not.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's young, you know, like I think that's young.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
So yeah, I mean I was Okay, So my brother
was in town. My brother, Colin show only member of
my family that listens to the pod.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I brought him up on a different podcast just yesterday.
I actually talk about Colin a lot because of the
seven days on, seven days off schedule.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Does I'm both ordering the duck I feel also makes
its way it.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, but I just think that's like such a good lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
But then, well it was funny because it was Ian
Laura's podcast and I was like talking about doctors. I'm like,
it is a hard job. I'm like, it's really intensive,
Like I would never want my child to have to
work that hard. And he's like, but it's honorable. Well,
while we talk about the schedule, he goes. But even
then it's like seven days you have to you're getting back,
you know, recovering. I go, well, no, he's gay. He's traveling.
And yeah, well you didn't mention that. They're like, you

(03:08):
didn't mention that he was gay. No, oh yeah, you
got Eurovision. I'm like, he's not acclimating. They're like, yeah,
the gays don't really need rest. I go, no, no, no.
Going from the hospital to Hawaii, yeah no.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
And he was in Vegas and then he was at
a conference in la and then he came to stay
with us for a few days, and so wildly I
had tickets to go see Anitra at this place in Wiho,
and sadly it got postpone because of the fires, and
then it got rescheduled to when he was in town.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
So I just got him my ticket, perfect, perfect.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
So we go and he was like it was just funny,
because he was like, it is funny that you're as
old as you are, and like you have two kids,
and like you are at a drag show with me
at like midnight right now, you.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Know, like I do.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I you're as old as you feel, you know, like
you're I feel like I feel much younger than I am,
and I try to stay young, but like you know,
I also was extremely tired after going out with him
two nights in a row, Like, I was very tired.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Wait, how is what else did you guys do?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
So we went to see Anitra and it was awesome.
It's just like one of those things where like the
watching the show. I love watching the show at watch parties,
like I love going to bars to watch it.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
It's so fun.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
The whole crowd reacts like did you watch last week's episode?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, I'm watching every week. Yeah, I'm into I'm into it.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
They're talented, yeah yeah, and they're down to fight a
little you know, like they're giving. They're giving, and you
can sort of see like who people like, like.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
People at this bar and this was like a big bar.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
There's like a big club kind of in Weho and
you could tell they were like huge. Arietti stands like
even before she won sorry spoiler alert, everybody like before
she like won the challenge, like people were like obsessed
and yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
I was talking to some people that weren't that indoor.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I'm like that final outfit was incredible, the coral glasses, nails,
the little suit like I was in.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
I loved that outfit, a lion fit. She looked amazing
as the lionfish. Like I was showing my kids last
night because we read a ocean book, and I go,
do you guys want to see the challenge from drag Race?
It was amazing And I was showing them the runway.
I go, look how much that looks like a Spanish answer.
Rosie was like yeah, like I'm indoctrinating them.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
But then so then Anitra and this other queen who's
like local, and I feel bad.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I forgot, Oh my god, look at what I'm holding. Okay,
do you see this oh god, lipstick. Yes, but is
it or is it a lie?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
So it looks like the lipstick that on All Stars
they used to eliminate each other, but it's red and
then when you take off the cap, it's a lighter.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I love that. That's fun.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
It was a gift from a couple of gays in
San Francisco that I love.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I was like, that's a gift from somebody who knows you.
That's very good. That's a very good gift.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
And this queen that I don't know, and they just
kind of comment during commercial breaks, which is cute and funny.
And then afterwards, so you're like, Okay, can I see
the show now, and like they're like, are you guys.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Ready for anitra? Wait ten more minutes.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
And then it would be other queens and then they'd
be like, anitra will be out here in five more minutes.
And it was like just we were just waiting and
waiting and waiting for anitra. But Anuitra famously canceled. So
I was just happy that she showed. She put on
a great show. She did like a she did like
a dualipa medley kind of which, by the way, Analise
is covering us today for Casey, and Analise is a

(06:28):
huge du Alipa fan. So if you haven't checked out
the Antra, I mean, if you haven't, I'm just gonna
say go see Anutral live. She does a Dualipa medley.
And then we went to Pisia Palace, this place in
La that's like Indian Italian fusion and it was so good.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
And then what'd you get?

Speaker 1 (06:47):
We got this delicious like bread that had like chili
on it, but it was like it was like an
Indian version of garlic bread.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
It was so good.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
And then we got this pasta that was super spicy
and like an Indian spicy sauce.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
And then we got a pizza that had like green
chili on It was spicy.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
This stuff was but not like crazy, like I can
handle a medium level of spice and it was like
pretty good.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
And then the next night we.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Went to uh oh and by the way, as I
was walking out of an etress, somebody said, oh my god,
I love your podcast and I was like, thank you
so much, so hello to you.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I'm sorry I didn't get to say hi. It was loud.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
And then the next night I went to Chris Fairbanks
had a birthday party. Another I was gonna play the
Getty to you because I thought you would think that
was funny. They basically had like they had a step
and repeat like backdrop for a photo booth, and then
they had like the Getty Images label like hanging down
so that it like looks like we're all in Getty Images,

(07:41):
which is really funny.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Obviously you can tell. But it was really funny.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
And I met Chris's sister who loves our podcast, loves
you loves our pod, and she was so sweet. And
then the next actually that's actually the best.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
It happens to you at the cellar too, like comics
was like, oh my god, my sister, my childhood friend
or someone. Yeah, listens to the pod, so thanks so much.
We love that comedians know who really runs this town, Jay, Yeah,
but thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
No, it was funny because I saw Logan Gunzulman, who's
a comic that you're also, and she was like, oh,
I got a text Liza, because you know, she was
like she she loves SVU and Law and Order as well.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
But that was really fun that party.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
And then the next day I ran into another listener
at a trampoline park where I took my kids.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Was this the same trampoline park from the fire like evacuation.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Or franchise because that was down in the San Diego area.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
This is the one that's in the LA area. But yes,
same franchise, So you guys are now a trampoline park family.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm gonna say that I did buy the membership because
one visit is the same as one month membership. So
I'm gonna cancel it, but I'm gonna take them a
bunch of times this month. Okay, great, great, great, great,
you know I love a deal.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Wait did you watch the Super Bowl? Did you go
to a friend's house? Uh?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yes, we went to our friend's house to watch.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
The Super Bowl and then our sports friends or someone else.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Where'd you go?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
It was?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
I went to my friend Valentina's house.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
She's my friend through Rosie's school, and like she lives
a couple of blocks for me, and she had a
nice party and uh, like tons of food and some
guy that owns a beer company brought all this beer
and then we and then I but I wasn't really
paying attention to the game that much because Philly was
just kind of whipping them from the beginning. But then
I obviously sat and like watched the halftime show, and

(09:31):
I watched it with like a very precocious eleven year
old who, like is was so cool and he just
knew everything and was we were just like him and
I were just like vibing, were like, oh my god,
Drake must be in a hole right now. Like we
were just like me and this eleven year old kid
were just like talking about the halftime show the whole
time because a lot of people at the party were like, oh,
I guess I don't know that much of Kendrick's music,

(09:52):
and I'm not like the biggest Kendrick fan, but I
do know a lot of the music and was like,
I was into the halftime show.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
How about you? What it was your Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well, I I don't listen to rap, but I was in.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
I mean, I loved it from the moment.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
And usually I also don't like men performance so hotly famously,
so I'm glad that Sizza was there, but like, I
loved it. And then I was watching with fun people,
the same people again, so Sidney, Marie, Amina Matteo. So
it was Sydney's birthday party. So we actually did a
painting party, like a sip and paint.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I loved it. We painted Snoopy on turntables. Wow. And
it was on the Lower East Side and I loved it.
I want to do more painting parties. I felt so accomplished.
It was cute, Like, yeah, I loved it. It was
such a creative, fun birthday like I've never done one
of those, so it was really a good time.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
But then we went to the Cellar.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
They closed down the Cellar for it was a super
Bowl every year, and they have like plates shaped like
footballs and tablecloths that look like the field.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
So I like that. But I just but Sydney right
away yelled.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Look at those Flair jeans, and then that was all
of Instagram. Was just like Drake, you had a tiny
man and flares really come for you.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, this is human.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh my god, those Celene jeans, those Celene jeans. I
was like, if I if I had laid my eyes
on those in college, I would have been I would
have been love at first sight, like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
But I I you know, Samuel L.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Jackson's in my top five favorite like actors of all
time and so I just was so into seeing him.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I like the lamp post.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I mean I guessed when I saw Serena, I gas, yeah,
Like I.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Just was so into it all.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
And afterwards though, one of my friends was like, damn,
like Usher was more fun last year.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
I go, honey, that was a party. We're fighting fascism.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, she goes suns over, Yeah, she goes Damn, you're right.
I'm like, he did that in the in front of
the fucking president.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah. It has never gone to a super Bowl before.
I didn't know that. Ok.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
It was so dark because like I was really into
the pre star Spangl Banner performances and then like the
star Spangle banner I'm into, and then when they cut
to him and then like military and Gray, I'm like,
this is so fucking dark. But like, yeah, you know,
I keep like ranting and raving that no one's cool anymore,
no one's punk rock. People are now like what is

(12:18):
it called compulsory like compliance?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, Like people are changing.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
They're something like that, Like they're already taking like fitting
into the things before it's even mandated.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Like Disney is changing language.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Everyone's doing this stuff, and it's like whoa are we
not fighting this? Yeah, and so it's just kind of
like a dark, fucked up time and to have someone
be that badass, does it tease being sued? Said his
name while smiling at the camera. But yeah, So obviously
all of like the imagery and everything that probably you know,

(12:55):
a lot went over my head.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
But I obviously had to watch a lot of the
tiktoks that broke down, lot of the Easter eggs and
stuff that I did not know.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
But it was a.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Very black super Bowl, and and like with Grant, it
just it was exciting, and I hope it's not the last.
Like a part of me is like, are they just
letting us have a hurrah before we're done? Like I'm
so scared. But I loved how black the super Bowl
felt like it was. And maybe it's because I watched

(13:24):
with a bunch of black people, but like it just
fell No. They kept they kept saying, they kept, they
kept saying, I can't believe how black they're letting Kendrick be.
I can't believe how black this is. And you know,
just the black body is making the flag. I mean,
it was really badass. And so I'm sorry if you
know some people in the Midwest weren't entertained, but yeah,

(13:44):
this was huge.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
It was exciting.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
And then my soul cycle teacher played the Super Bowl
Kendrick with Samuel Jackson in class, and so I was zooming.
I was motivated, and then she went straight into the
Challengers soundtrack, wh.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Like I couldn't I've been uh well.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
On Saturday, I went to two soul cycles back to back.
Oh yes, you told me you were gonna do that.
I not only survived, I thrived. The music was amazing,
Like I went by so fast, honestly, like I was like, oh,
I should do two a day's every weekend.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Were you You weren't hurting extra like the next day
or anything. No, Honestly, her Tuesday class that was one
hurt more because maybe because I went hard, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
But it was also two tailor songs of every album.
So I was like in I was, I was just
floating high. So yeah, I'm like so, But I also
like Jalen Hurts is so hot. Saquon Barley's children. There
was a lot of babies on the field, and obviously
I love I love Taylor Travis. The three peat would

(14:49):
have been nice. I have not contacted my friend Caleb yet,
but I know I was.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I was wondering if you were watching with him. No,
I bandwagon so fast.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I started cheering for the Eagles at the first intercession,
like I dropped the Chiefs immediately. No, once I found
out Jalen Hurts had an all female management team, like, uh, manager, agent,
account all.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Obviously, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And then Travis of course said, I'm happy the President's coming,
so yeah, I want you to lose.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
It's like it did feel like mass that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
They were like in one of the interviews, like how
do you feel he goes, it's an honor to have
like a president come to the game. Whatever, And then
when they asked Jalen Hurts, he goes, I don't know,
he can be there. I don't care. So yeah, it's
like it is, it is what it is. But Jalen
Hurts is only twenty six. That is a grown ass man, Like, wow,
twenty six. It just it was an exciting It was
a boring game because of the blowout, but I really

(15:37):
love like, you know, one of the interceptions, it was
a rookie player on his birthday.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Oh wow, that's so fund.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Jean and I guess that position he plays as notoriously black.
So then everyone's like the de I white, like running
back did it or not running back?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Whatever?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
The defense Twitter's me, I mean, not Twitter, but like Instagram.
The meme people are so funny. It's really incredible how
funny one is and how I feel, Like, Yeah, I cried.
I cried. You know.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
They had the.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Voice Sekwan Barley like Barkley, They like played a voicemail
that his daughter left him before the game about like
you are gonna win at and then it's like him
and the kids on the field. Yeah, and then the
next video of him is just like shotgunning a beer shirtless,
and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
God, wait, I saw some video of a guy too
that was on the field with his dad when he
was little, and then he's wearing his dad's number.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
He won. Oh, let's not cry. We're not gonna cry.
I saw that this morning and was like, well, that's
so sweet.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I also cried during the Women in Sports commercial, like
it was Caitlin Clark and the gymnast. I mean a
lot of athletes I don't know, Shakhari Richard, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Cried at that commercial In front of the people.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
And then well there was one person from Philly, and
so I was assuming he was an Eagles fan, but
he actually met five grand against them and lost.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
And I go, that's what you do. That's what you
do when you fucking go against your don't go against
your hometown, bro, that's bad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
And then I don't know if this is real, but
I saw one reel where it was like a girl
after her waitressing shift being like, I just bet my
mortgage on blue gatorade and it was yellow gatorade, So like.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I think people were betting like the gatorade. It's like
betting's gotten crazy. Oh by the way, coach of the
Eagles is hot. Oh yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
When they poured water on that guy, I'm like, I
haven't seen a coach that isn't like a like fucking
old man dating a twenty three year old in a
long time.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
And then one of the girls from Taylor Watch podcast,
she's from Philadelphia and she was down in Nola and
I keep watching her celebration video. She's just in the
middle of Bourbon Street with a whistle and I guess
that's part of their culture. And she's just whistling, and
all these guys are dancing around or going blow that
whistle or whatever, give him that whistle, and she's just
blowing the whistle, partying and like, I'm just I'm nervous

(18:00):
for the parade. I hope everyone's safe. I hope the
lamp posts survived. I gotta grease those lamp posts. Well
do you saw they just they just rip them out
of the ground. They're like, you don't want us climbing it,
We'll take them out. They were they were holding lamp
like street lamps on what.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Are those little lights?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, the lights, the three raffic lights, traffic lights, those
whole poles people were holding that were God. There were
people in horses Philadelphia, riding horses in the middle of
the parade. I mean, I really do love it. And
I'm going to Philly to perform I think in June.
So oh yeah, there's still gonna be buzzing. There will
still be buzzing in June. And I'm I'm a bit

(18:39):
I flip flopped, so yeah, I'm a five, I'm Eagles Now,
I'm Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Baby, Listen.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
There's certain things we stand for on this podcast, and
then there's other times where you know, look, my favorite
housewife used to be Lisa Vanderpump. Like we've all flipped
back and forth on different things. I was listening to, like,
I don't really listen to Bitch Sessha anymore because they
went behind a paywall. But like they did, they did
their four hundredth episode and they had the watch with
Crappin's guys on and they were just doing their best

(19:09):
and worst their favorite and least favorite housewives, and I
was like, I don't even know how I could decide
one of them. Did pick vander Pump though, but do
you think you could even choose to Dinda? Drenda's your top?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Who's your bottom? I quote her the most, Yeah, I
quote her the most. I want to be at Bluestone.
I forget it, right, I regret it. Yeah, And it
wasn't even thinking about that one when I even think
about the quotes, but I say, not, well, bitch all
the time. Yeah, I made a nice clip, you fool,
Like I just love her on the bug shot.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
She likes the party. I don't know, Like she liked
the cheese store.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I remember she went to the cheese store and how
the time, Like Dirinda's my girl, like Milinda is.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
My I was sad that we got rid of her
first of the traders.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
She came in too hot. I guess for that game
she wasn't.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
It's sexis and this happens on reality shows throughout.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Oh I thought she started shit with Iver, but it's
my first season watch is.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
But I'm just saying, like surve up everyone like women,
gay people and not white people get voted out first immediately.
Always it's always like, well, I don't know if I
trust them, and it's like I think it's an unchecked bias,
like it really Jeremy was like it just happens. They're
just more frivolous. But also like the game players are stupid.
The traders are stupid, Like get rid of the game players,

(20:28):
not the wives.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
They don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah yeah, wait, but who would be your bottom least
favor housewife.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's just tough because I think some are despicable people
but are good housewife?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Do you pick the most boring housewife?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Like I know, I truly don't like Lisa Barlowe, but
she is good television.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know, And like I was thinking, Vicki and Ramona
but it's like we need them. So like I hated
Carlton the Witch. I guess, oh yeah, Carlton the Witch.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Oh my gosh, remember like Peggy, I just think it's
so funny when the people that have been on it
for one season it just are so forgettable.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I did also, I mean, this isn't a sports podcast,
but have you been paying attention to the Luca of
it all? You know, the Luca Dallas.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
No, I don't know anything. What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
So? Oh, okay, this is this will be fun hopefully
all the sports girl is right us. Let us know
if I'm describing this good or not. So this is
all new to me. But now I'm like a number
one Luca fan. I followed him like for life. Now okay,
so Luca is the Dallas Mavericks, like kind of hero.
He's apparently like the third best player in the league,
like very good, twenty five, very young.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
But he's a party boy.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I guess he's a little chubby, but like there's a
video of the owner like someone taking a beer from him.
But he's I guess he's like a party guy. Okay,
but Dallas loves him. He brought the team to the finals,
he's like a core member. Mid season, all of a sudden,
they trade him to the Lakers, like a week or
two ago, out of nowhere, and then people are outside

(21:57):
of Dallas going bring him back.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
He's not fat like.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
People are people because because and then who they got
for him is like this guy ad who's always injured
in like seven years older than him and just not
as good a first round draft pick, and then maybe
like another person, and so everyone's like what the fuck
is going on? So then there is the conspiracies, but
one is like the fifth richest woman in the world
is like a dumb bitch. Obviously billionaires are bad people,

(22:23):
and she wants to move the team to Vegas, but
they're like, well, you can't move our start whatever. There's
all these fights people are happening, and these are just
billionaires who don't care. So she just as a fuck you,
like did it to be able to move people and
pay whatever. Then there's also conspiracies that like the NBA
viewership is down and this is like part of the
leadership doing this because they can't move Luca to a

(22:45):
new place, like they need to train Luca to take
over post Lebron like Lebron's gonna and then Lebron's actually
gonna be a part owner of this Vegas team, so
he's gonna eventually be the face of that. But so
I guess it's like and then they're like Lebron might
help Luca better train for his body and like take
care of himself. So there's all of this, and then

(23:07):
someone was like, it's because Lebron murdered someone, and it's
this and that, and I don't think that's what's happening,
and I might be missing some conspiracy. I don't know,
but it's like never been done, Like it's a crazy
fucking thing. And Luca was devastated, like he just was
so sad and like he's beloved. But as soon as
he moved to La, the ticket sales like exploded, but

(23:29):
he already donated half a million dollars to like building
children stuff up at post fire. He's like hey, He's like, hey,
my new neighbors, Like here's half a mill, Like I'm here,
like this is my new town. And then I'm getting
chills and so he's like on the bench and he's
like sad. And then it was the first huddle. It's
like him and Lebron finally playing, and Lebron in the huddle.

(23:49):
What a fucking leader. And that's another thing like Travis
and Pat m homes Like in the Super Bowl, I
thought like their leadership was bad. They weren't like like
you're losing, pump up your team a war, but like
they kind of flop. But anyways, so Lebron's in the
huddle and he goes, Luca, be your fucking self, don't
fit in, fuck like fit the fuck out.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I saw that video. I didn't know what I was
looking at, and Luca.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Smiles, and then I just watched clips today and it's
like Luca did a giant long pass to Lebron and
Lebron made like this bucket like easy layup. But it
was cool, and you could see Luca's smile because he
is twenty five and he gets to like passed away
with Lebron. Yeah, and so he was so depressed and sad,
being like so disrespected by you know, these rich meal

(24:36):
and he was about to have like a max out contract,
so I think they didn't want to pay him like
his hundred plus million that he was supposed to get.
But like the smile on his face passing to Lebron
and like getting into the game again.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
So yeah, you guys got Luca. So it's really exciting.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
This is great education. Now I know what's going on
in sports in my own city. I'm really truly not.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I was not.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
You know, I probably like a few days away from
figuring that all out, like you know, that would have
passed me in a wave like you always get things
a few days before me.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
But I actually had something to say.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
No, we have to get started, but I.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Okay, I got something to say.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
So you know, I love magazine YouTube content that's nothing new.
And I was watching a criminologist talk about serial killers.
So he was like watching. He was like watching movies
and TV shows and then saying what's real and not
real and whatever. And so his name is David Wilson.
He's a criminologist. And he goes, he goes, stop trying

(25:41):
to get inside these guys' heads. Fuck these guys. He's like,
they're losers. These are losers. Serial killers are losers. Yeah,
and he goes, we need to stop trying to figure
out their dark brains and focus more on why the
same communities are targeted and help people if we actually
want to like, you know, help stop serial killers. He goes,

(26:02):
fuck the inside of their minds, but challenge homophobia. Have
a grown up debate on how we police people who
sell sexual services and why the elderly are so vulnerable
in our culture, and he said we need to focus
on those things instead of like, you know, sexualizing these Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I'm like not that it's the same. He's not a
serial killer. But it's like, we can stop calling Kanye
a genius now too, can we stop? Like I don't know,
I'm just like like yeah, but it's like calling all
these like just mediocre shittheads that got away with killing
in the seventies before there was fucking DNA and like CCTV,
and we're like, oh, a genius, let's get inside and

(26:46):
figure out what's making them tick.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Like yeah, no, he said they're all losers. Yeah, yeah, good,
I love that. Yeah. So if you guys, I don't
I think it was GQ.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I'm not really sure, but his name, like I said,
criminologist David Wilson. He was he was sexy, Like I
really enjoyed watching him, all right, cool, I enjoyed it,
but then I yeah, and then I watched people talk
about their movie roles.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
I'm a dork. All right, let's start, all.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Right, let's startry. I got so sports, but it was
exciting the Luca like, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
And this episode comes out on the eighteenth, and that
means that this coming Sunday. If you live in Washington,
DC or it's area, shit must be terrible for you
right now. So come treat yourself to see us do
That's Messed Up Live at the DC Improv And you
can get tickets at that That's Messed uplive dot com.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
At that same link.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
You can also scroll down to Lisa's website and see
all of her road dates that she's got out and
about on the road.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, I'll be in Vegas, Nashville, Minneapolis, Seattle, Austin, Providence,
New Orleans, Philly, and also DC.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
And also DC this weekend before we're doing a Yeah,
before we do our live show, she'll be doing stand ups,
So get over there and.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Check that out. And then yeah, thanks guys.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Uh, let's get started, all right, guys, we're doing Monsters Legacy,
not to be confused with Monsters Ball JK.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I don't think anyone I can not confuse it.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
But season fourteen, episode thirteen, and yeah it's it's good.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Okay, yeah, done done.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
We're at gymnastics practice, never a good place, set us
to you. Yeah, there's a pommel horse. There's some want
to touching. Yeah, there's a problem. The boys going wild
on this pommel and he gets a cramp though, and
it's really painful. So the coach starts stretching him. But
there's a camera on them while they're being stretched, so
not good. And then guess who sees something? Oh is

(28:59):
that careesy? Yeah before he was caresy. He's a janitor.
He's a janitor. He has long, stringy hair and he's
behind the door like staring at what's happened.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
This one is going out to all of you that
message us on the Instagram going, oh my god, did
you guys know.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
That there's an episode where Creese is just like a
like a suspect. We do and this is it we do.
It's so sweet and right now.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
People send me a lot of Luigi's stuff and I
thank you, but there's just so few, so few that
like I got it all I do.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
There's not enough. It's just it's truly like wild. Yeah,
I know the case.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Isn't actively happening, and I don't want the media to
put out false narratives and rather silence than anything.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
But yeah, it's all.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
When the trial starts, I think things will get crazy, right,
I hope.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Okay, So the coach is like, loosen up and the
So now the janitor enters, Janitor Careesi and he enters
the gym. He's looking the coach. He's like, can you
go do that later? And he's like all right, and
he walks away, but he's looking. You know, he's not
breaking icon contact with the stretching. And then also he
has a brunette bob, So if you're imagining Careese as

(30:05):
he is now, imagine him with a brunette bob. And
so now you know the boys stretched out. He goes
back to the pommel horse. Now we're in a dark
parking garage, the only place more dangerous than a gymnastics gym,
and the coach is walking to his car. He has
the accent of a gymnastics coach, so Eastern European vibes.
And then he gets an attack. So he gets pushed

(30:28):
into his trunk. The trunk closed on him with his
legs hanging out and then he is stabbed in his
ass over and over and over and over, and we
can assume it's Creasey the janitor.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
We can.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
And anyways, so now Olivia arrives and she's in a
sexy red dress and Amaro goes, wow, whoa, he's circling
around her and it is flirty because what were your
things that you thought they were gonna fuck and then
they weren't there?

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah? Well I always thought like a vibe very like
obviously basic thoughts were like, oh, Stabler's gone, the new
man and Olivia are now going to have romantic tension, you.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Know, So I guess I thought that her and uh
and I see it yeah, and tomorrow and.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Like yeah, stuff like this, he's like, I fucking her,
Like he's like, whoa, Like it's crazy. So but it's
a really sexy dress. Yeah, but she's with somebody.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Well okay, so then he so then he goes but
it's too early for Valentine's Day like dinner, and she goes, oh, well,
this new guy I'm seeing, we're not quite ready for
like Valentine's Day. So we decided to do a more
casual pre dinner. That's all fine, but that's not a
casual pre dinner dress. You can wear that dress to
a wedding that was a formal like wedding guest dress.

(31:53):
But I don't know who she's dating, but it's probably
not someone that important where it's like I'm assuming it's
like I.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Think, but oh, it's they need a more casual thing.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
It's just like you can't say it's a casual pre
dinner and be dressed like you are going to an
event like a fucking Oscars Woman's Nominee brunch.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, this is a Glamour Woman of the Year Brounch outfit.
This is not This is not like, oh, we're just
gonna like casually go out on like the twelfth or something,
you know.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, so, but then it's so then you know, he's like,
sorry to end your shit early. But while they're like
just chatting about Valentine's Day, the man is still there
on a stretcher, groaning like there's a bleeding man, and
they're just like, damn girl, you look hot, and he's
like like he's whimpering enrolled in.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Front of them.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, he's on his side with like a bloody sheet
covering his butt.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
It's really gross.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
And so it's Alexey Bellia Cove and he's whimpering and
he's barely holding on and basically ice pick ice, and
he bled a lot.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
And we're in the credits. We're in the credits.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
So we're back from the credits. He's awake after surgery.
He's talking somewhererow in Benson. He goes, I noticed the
guy had Workloves boots and Olive overalls. They're like, well,
is it revenge? And he gets mad and he's like,
what are you talking about? I love my wife. I
have good relationships with my ex wives. He has three
of them. Amaro goes, okay, like what about relationships with

(33:22):
someone you shouldn't have? Like maybe that's why you got
stabbed in the ass and those no.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
I learned that lesson.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Four years ago, a student's father accused me of being
involved with his wife, and Amorro goes, were you he
doesn't matter? He goes, yeah, but he tried to ruin
my life and Corey tried to convince people I molested
his kid. So then he's like, yeah, the old student's
name is you know, Eddie. And when I went to
go like talk to him, like the dad was throwing
furniture and like shit was nuts. So now we're at

(33:51):
the home of Eddie and the dad is like, oh
my god, Russians are such liars. I may be kicked
to chair and Finn's chatting with him and the dad.
It's like, listen, you know, he said my kid had potential.
We pay for private lessons, and then he goes, actually
your kid sucks, and I actually I get it. I would.
I would beat the shit out of this guy too.
I wouldn't say he molested my child if you did.

(34:13):
Do you recognize this actors from.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
This is Us?

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, I just don't care. Oh okay, well he I
think he did stand up in Chicago. I was wondering
if you knew him, because Jared knows him from Chicago. No,
but I thought maybe you would know me. Yeah, no,
clue I recognized him. He was also in that like
documentary about SBU guest stars. Oh I remember there was
like that TV special. He talked a lot in it,
and I didn't care about him though, neither.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'm sorry to this man, like I'm happy for his success,
but uh yeah, I mean he's doing.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
A good job. So whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
So amorrows talks inside, well, Finn stays outside with the
dad Omar and this the son has like a such
cutl sweater. He goes, I don't want to talk about
the coach and they're like, oh, but were you stretching
He goes, oh, not in that way, like, you know,
not with me at least maybe another kid. Finn is
with the dad and he goes, well, you know, Alexi's
not gay, and the dad's like, well, we don't know that.

(35:05):
I actually don't fucking care because after my son was
not with the coach, someone came up to me and
said you're better Your son is better off without him.
And it's like, well who told you that? And it
was someone in a jumpsuit, a lanky man. Okay, so
we got careesy and he has a record. He has
a record john Johnny dub dug Oh, I was just

(35:26):
gonna say Johnny dub check. Such a crazy name they
give him. So he has a record vandalism, possession disorder,
early bar fights, and Rollins is about to have a
little fun with him, but it's actually like, oh, cute
to see it.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Because now they're married.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, but Finn is there too, and this guy's been
clean from crimes for five years, so like, what's going
on and they go, you know you could have killed
him and he goes, oh who and they're like, okay,
we know you see this guy every day, so like
you know, we know it.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
We're gonna find your prince.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
He goes, no, you're not, and they're like why because
you wear gloves like his blood's everywhere, Your blood's everywhere.
So Johnny's getting shake nervous and they're like, why are
you doing this? You know everyone's vouched for. Your boss
said you're amazing. Your parole officer like what happened? And
did something happen? Like what happened? And he goes what
he does, He wouldn't try that with me. So now
we're in the hospital and he's cuffed to the hospital

(36:15):
bed the like the coach, and he goes the janitor
accuse me, he's a fucking psycho. He calls the janitor
an idiot, and Omarro is like, well, you tape your sessions,
don't you, And he goes, well, yeah, that's the benefit
of the student. The student can watch the footage and
like learn and he goes, okay, what benefit to the
student get from stretching.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
He goes, that benefits me.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I tape everything because since I was accused, and so
you know, for days they watch all of this footage
and Finn goes ninety hours of tape and his only
crime is boring me to death, like, I'm so sorry.
A kid wasn't raped in gymnastics practice, Finn. So then
Benson talks to like dozens of people. Nobody likes the guy,

(36:56):
but nobody said he's a pedophile, so they gotta say
so to him. But also, like what do we do
with I can't even say his name, dub check, so
they have to, you know, they say sorry to him.
They're like, my bad, I'm sorry, we thought you were
a pedophile, But like, fuck, what are we gonna do with,
you know, Johnny? Because something happened what triggered him? So they're,
you know, he's on his way to Rikers right now.

(37:17):
So we see him in a van. There's six other prisoners.
The cops are you know, are start opening the van
to take them out to like bring him into Rikers,
and bam, they like, you know, the janitor has handcuffs
around the other man, choking him violently.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
They pull them apart. What is going on? He screams,
it's not my fault. It's not my fault.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I said, I want to be put in with that,
And Rollins and Finn are on the scene so fast
and guess you know what's set careesy janitor do dub
check off. He the guy he's attacking is a pedophile.
He touched boy scouts. So another pedophile has been attacked.
Ding Ding Ding Okay, pedophile. So we're at a raiment.
He's remanded back to Rikers. He's like, you know, he

(37:58):
tells his mom sorry, who is an oxygen tank in court?
And then Rollins goes to talk to the mom and
they bring up the pedophile beatings and she's like, listen,
my kid's been sober and clean. There's no trouble, no
fights since he you know, he was a teenager. His
dad died when he was ten, and so he had
a lot of problems. And they're like, well, what other
men does he have in his life? And she goes, well,
years later in the neighborhood, you know, this coach took

(38:20):
an interest in Johnny and he went to some open
air camp up state.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
He hated the camp.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Johnny was homesick, but and when he got home from camp,
he was just never the same. Benson says, we've seen
it before, like you suffer the abuse and then you
can't there's a trigger. And Omar I was like, okay, so,
like I guess being shackled to another pedophile is obviously
a trigger. And Craigan Daddy not having it. He's like,
well the defense Kim, bring that up. I'll make sure

(38:45):
the DA passes that along. Benson goes, wait, stop, what
about the camp coach Like Martin Schultz like, can we
please just like go figure out what's up with this coach?
But there's no record, no accusations, there's nothing. But it's like, Craigan,
shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Let your detectives cook, like you know, they're good at
their jobs, Like, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
So they go to this camp and it's Ed Asner.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, who I only know by face and name and
nothing else.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, tap dance for a comedian? And what is he?
Why are we supposed to know Ed Asner?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
He's like, and I feel it's like, okay, Casey, come
teach us.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, Casey, I thought you lead in to tell us.
Do you know at apples Well, he was.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
On he's on Mary The Mary Tyler Moore Show, which
is set in Minneapolis, so he's beloved here. Okay, So
Mary Tyler Moore Show, I feel like is what he's
most famous.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Okay, got it all right? So Mary Tyler Moore Show. Cool, cool, cool,
And he's wearing a bad news he's hat, there's a
log cabin. This man's guilty, but he's playing old confused
man and he's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember
that boy. He was a Mets fan. He wore the
same T shirt every day and then he'd like babbles.
But he goes, oh, your cops, what did he do?

(39:53):
And they're like, yeah, he assaulted too many and he's
going away for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
So then ad Asner is.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Like, oh yeah, great student, good kid, and the detect
we're like, well he was until you know he came
to camp. But the guy goes, it's too cold, let's
go inside. He gets them hot chocolate because it's good
for the soul, and then Benson finally brings up the
abuse question and he's like, hey, I gotta stop you.
I know these days everyone's gonna be asking questions, but
I don't tolerate devians. And if I saw any counselor

(40:19):
anyone look at a kids sideways, I would have knocked
him on his ass and put him on the bus.
And he's chewing and being casual, like, you know, just
hanging out. He goes, I'm a friend to kids, pedophile,
you don't say friend to kids. Sorry, sorry, sorry. He
wants to change these kids' lives. He wishes he could
have done more for Johnny and the others, but he couldn't,

(40:41):
you know, he goes fatherless kids. Try as you might,
but you can't fill that hole, right, detective. Okay, guys,
we've been holding for my radiator. It's not stopping. So
if you hear what you guys have nicknamed the sword fights,
deal with it. We can't keep waiting. Okay, it's actually quiet. Now, okay,
this is good. But I mean I can't even believe it.

(41:04):
I can't try as you might write, Detective. I mean,
I cannot believe how does he know?

Speaker 3 (41:09):
How did he know? Yeah, she doesn't.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Give off and it's not like he could have researched
her before in this like a Sebastian Valentine moment, Like
what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (41:19):
She shocked?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
She goes excuse me. He says, it's all right, honey,
you've done good. I mean you could have gone the
other way too. So now it's tomorrow and Benson pleading
Craigan like, oh my god, he's a straight up sociopath, Like,
let us fucking get his ass. She's like, he spent
the whole time reading us, like, oh ha ha, chocolate,
it was all a fucking act. And I'm like, trust

(41:41):
your detectives. And he goes, well, over fifty years and
not one complaint. I mean he's never been like charged
for decades, Like something's going on. Benson goes, I know,
but like these predators know how to pick their victims,
and they're like following Craigan around the whole precinct.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
He's trying to escape them.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Rollins is there, and then Rollins has a whole corkboard
and it's bunches of mug shots and she goes, maybe
not complaints, but a wake of damage. Dozens of kids
in prison now for assault and rape and murder.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I mean, we talk about this all the time. It's
just like.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
It's like abuse, the ripple effect, Like our society is
fucked because of abusers and believing kids like so cyclical
and huge, and just to think about like all the
people that are holding on to like these dark secrets
and acting out and can't and then like no support
and then are treated like they're the problem. It's like,
so fuck, your kid comes back from camp and he's

(42:35):
not the same.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, yeah, like what the fuck? Yeah? It is a
fucking vicious cycle, so scary.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
You know, like dozens of these kids straight from that
camp are in prison for assault, rape and murder, Like
what the fuck? And you know a lot of and
he and Craigan's like, well a lot of sexual trauma
ends up in silence and shame and they're like, whatever
this guy did. This is ground zero for a second
generation epidemic of like crime and fucked up stuff and
so much chamage. And finally he goes, this won't be easy,

(43:07):
but like let's try to get some complaints. So Rollin says,
what do you mean complaint? We have a whole board
of witnesses, and he goes, convict, that's not They're not human,
like crazy is crazy? No, he goes, they're own reliable witnesses.
And I get that because of our you know, stigma
too everything. Yeah, and maybe individually but there's like a
clear pattern, so like they have to prove it that

(43:28):
there's one of them, Like there's one abuser they have
in common that's better than individually.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
So like maybe that could prove a pattern.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
And it doesn't matter that they're like incarcerated and if
it is, like prisoners don't really want to admit they
were abused because hella, oh prison, right, But one of
these guys he doesn't have to worry about chatting because
he's on death row. Thank god. You know, there's got
to be a perk somewhere. So since he's on death
row and he's in Ohio and he sentenced to die
in ten days, maybe he can be the start of

(43:57):
this case. And who is it? But you know, canted
rapist Mike Tyson. So should we like talk about this?
I don't know, Like yeah, in nineteen ninety two, he
was convicted of rape and sentenced to six years in prison.
He was released on parole after three years, So convicted rapists, Like,
but we know he was abused.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
That's why he collects pigeons. Is that the whole thing?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Like this is an odd choice, I would say for
a show like this, but I am sure they weren't
ignorant to this, so like, what do you think that is?

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Like what, I'm always very shocked.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I was always like, wait, SVU like got a convicted
rapist to guest star on the show.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
It's like, you know, they.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Had the guy from they had the guy the dad
from seventh heven. I don't think they knew yet, you know,
like they've had some people on that have later been
convicted of stuff, but like, yeah, he he he just
he admitted to being molested as a child. Yeah, I
mean that service time. Maybe that's what they're trying to
do with the casting.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, so obviously you know, has a past of crime
and abuse and was convicted of right, but also molested
as a child. So I understand the complications. I mean,
this is the complications of all of it. You know,
it's like really hard because you know, I'm thinking about
the firefighter inmates and stuff like that and getting a

(45:18):
second chances living more like rehabilitation, giving access like understanding
the traumas and all of that. But then also, yeah,
it is scary. I don't know, I don't fucking know.
It's just so loaded. I mean they asked him for
a reason. If we get Warren Light, we can talk
to him about it.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, let's start a document that'll be question once so
we don't forget.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, I want to ask Warren Light about this kind
of decision. So they bring up Martin the ed Asner
to him and he's like, I'd rather not speak about it.
Benson and Finn are like working him, and Tyson's like.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Well, why why right now? Like why not?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Then?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Like why suddenly you're into it.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
She's like, well, we're just finding out about it and
what he did to those boys, and we want to
punish him and Mike. Tyson's like, I don't want to
think about any of this. I don't want to think
about any of them. And Benson goes them and Finn goes,
I mean at trial, the guy you killed said that
it was a stranger. Is there more to it? And
he looks up and he goes, it doesn't matter. I
killed him. I can't take it back. I'm trying to
stay at peace. Now, get the hell out of here,

(46:21):
screams through, like through the bars, and then so like,
what do we do?

Speaker 3 (46:25):
You know what we do? We call Andre Brower, That's
what we do. Baby.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
We got Bayard Ellis amazing defense attorney and we need
his help deep voiced legend, baby rest in peace. And
he is like, you need help with a death row case?
Or am I doing Svu's job And Benson goes, damn, dude,
A little bit of both fuck.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
And he's like, he's like, so you're asking me a favor.
You're not angry with me anymore?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
And she takes the sip of her drink and goes,
I was never angry, and he's like, you had a
right to be. I blew up your relationship with David
Hadden Hayden Hayden.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
And is that Henry Connick junior? H yeah, Harry Connick Junior.
Why are these names so hard for me?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
So she goes, I was angry, but I knew that
you were doing right by your client. And she goes,
please look at Reggie's case. The DA said it was
a robbery gone bad, but nothing was taken and the
man who was killed had two prior solicitations for young
black men. And he goes and it never came out
at trial and she goes, no, Reggie mentioned like, none
of it, and he's like, biting it for the bait,

(47:29):
you know what I mean he's biting, he's nailing, and
so he wants in and the timeline's tight. If we
don't help him, he dies in nine fucking days. I
just hate this and like this this whole episode. I'm
sorry to go on a tangent, but this whole episode
was so hard to watch knowing this administration is so
trigger happy to murder at federal crimes and thinking about

(47:49):
the last case where like evidence was coming out and
the governor goes, I don't give a fuck kill killing
a person when evidence can come out to save him, Like, in.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
What world is that normal? Who wasn't even the person
who did committed the crime? By the way, that guy
was an accessory.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Okay, So now Mike Tyson is doing a little more talking,
you know, because it's not too late, and the governor
can grant clemency and Bayard Ellis is compelling and now
like maybe Benson didn't work, by like Ellis is definitely
gonna work. And he goes, listen, if the parole board
recommends this, and that your old lawyer that you had
sucked and he never brought any of this up, like

(48:26):
you know you can, we can save your life, and
they bring up the camp in his childhood and what
was brought up before the trial, and he goes, nothing,
I met the lawyer the day before my trial. They
didn't talk much, and Benson's like, well we can talk now, okay, Reggie,
we need you to tell us what happened at Martin's camp.
He doesn't want to. He wants to let it go

(48:47):
and forgive everyone, even his mom. And they go, well
what did she do? And he says for sending me
back to Martin's camp. So they're outside and they're like, fuck,
what are the chances? And Ellis is like, dude with
a fucked up trial, like if o Hio kills him,
that state sanctioned murder.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
And that I mean that happened within the year.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
We are living in a time where there was evidence
to come out to help a man and they decided no,
not worth it, not worth it to wait. Yeah, He's like,
you got any vacation time accused? So then Ellis this
is the best. So then Ellis asked, Benson, you know
they're in Ohio. He's like, you got any vacation time
accumulated to work on this with me? And she goes,

(49:27):
I have about fifty to sixty weeks worth. She could
take a year of vacation and still be getting paid, like.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, because whenever they tell her to take a couple
of days, she's like, no, I got to finish the case.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
She never fucking takes the vacation.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
We know she's gone on the Bahamas once and I
love them in winterwear and it's really coold.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
You can see their breath, you know. So yeah, we
got to go talk to the public public defenders. So
they're talking to this public defender. He looks at the file.
He goes, oh, yeah, Jerry, decide in forty minutes.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
What do you want?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
And Ellis is like, okay, well you're you know, you
could have gone and asked for clemency, Like what's going on?
He's like, fuck that Rhodes was the only witness for
the defense. He lied on the stand. He said he
wasn't there, but the victim's blood was on his shoes
and he said he did it. And Ellis goes, yeah,
but the old attorney only met with him like for
one day before his trial, and he goes, yeah. That
lawyer was eventually disbarred. Like that's what's crazy too. It's

(50:19):
just like personal people like people's lives are in the
hands of disbarred maniacs who don't care that shopa day before.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I mean, it is okay.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
So then this dude they're talking to looks uh, looks
up and goes, listen, people are entitled to counsel, not
the quality of the council. And Ellis goes, damn like
mean mugs him, and Benson's like, listen, we found an
abusive abuse background.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
He's like, yeah, that's most of the cases.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
The governor doesn't pardon murderers because they had a bad childhood.
And Ellis has lost his patience and he's like, it
took me two seconds to find out that the murder
dude had like solicitation charges against young men, and I
need to prove that the defense attorney did not bring
that shit to the jury but should have. And the
dude stands up and goes, all right, it's just it's
it's bad.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
What do you fucking want?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Like, you know what I do is triage, Like I
have people on death row for crimes they didn't even commit,
Like this guy, a dan murder someone. What do you
want from me? He goes, And if you think you
could do a better job have at it, and Elis goes, yeah,
that's what I fucking wanted. So they get all the infos.
So Benson's back at like tyson seal and they need
him to talk, like they need him to talk, give

(51:25):
us more. You know, you guys said you didn't know him,
but we know that he hired you for odd jobs.
What was the odd job? How did you end up
in his home? What was going on? He goes, stop,
this is over. You know, it's like days before the death,
Like I don't want like he doesn't want to, and
that's how strong the shame is, Like you're dying in
a few days and you still don't want to tell anyone.

(51:45):
Ellis leaves to give Benson, you know, her time to shine.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
She she is the master of victims.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
So then he finally starts talking immediately like she actually
doesn't have to do much, like just her presence in
this moment finally got him to talk his uncle. I
think him leaving the room too, like him not having
to confess it in front of like another man is
kind of like a little bit what gave her some
of the yeah trust but also her yeah yeah, And

(52:11):
so this is all really sad. So basically, his uncle
put his mouth on him and he said, now you're
a big boy, and this is what big boys do
with men. And then it cuts to Benson in the
car explaining everything else she heard to Ellis, and it's
probably because Mike Tyson's not that good of an actor.
And so after the uncle, it was the mother's boyfriend,
and then the mom's pimp, and then at ten it
was a teacher at school.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
These predators have such a radar.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
And then three years at camp and by the end
Schultz was passing him around to all the other men,
and Reggie drops out of school, hitchhikes and ends up
in Ohio. Dan First starts paying him for sex for
over a year, and then one night after dan Forth
was done with him, three other men walked into the
garage worked him over all night, and then the next
day Reggie comes back and kills him, kills dan Forth.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Mike Tyson.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Actually, Reggie was like, you know, I told the lawyer
that the jury should hear this, and that his lawyer
says him, it's best to just say you weren't even
there at all. The lawyer is dead, though, but we
need to get this information to the parole board, and
we need confirmation of two tracks to like get this going.
We need like the dan Forth information and what happened
to him as a child. So Finn is talking to

(53:15):
his sister, who works at Saint Michael's Hospital in the Bronx,
and says, like, the uncle abused me at first, and
then I'm mature, so like moved on to Reggie. And
she's like, I was just glad it wasn't me anymore.
I would stay at the library till close and read.
And Finn's like, yeah, you're lucky. You know you got
out put your brother's on death row. She says, I
pray for him every day, and Finn is like, well,
you know what he went through and it was more

(53:35):
than just your uncle. And I know you couldn't protect
him growing up, but help him now. Rollin's and tomorrow
give Sheltz a visit. And you could tell Rollins is
sickened by this man. And he's like, oh my god, Reggie,
when he came here, he didn't even have a toothbrush.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
He says, oh yeah, his mom was a crack addict.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Twelve year old kid with a long rap sheet, but
sweet kid, and you know, no one helped him, but
me like, and then a young boy arrives. A young
boy arrives. He's like, oh my god, this is so scary.
He looks scared, he has a watering can. I'm so sad.
And then Asner's like, I thought you were working on
the dupe check dub Chack. Why can't I say his
name dub Check? And it's like, well, they both came

(54:14):
to this camp. And he's getting defensive and he's like,
I'm sorry, like, and he hasn't asked her an excuse
for everything, like these people usually do. And Omar was like, okay,
we're not saying it was you, but you told us
if there's any whiff of trouble you'd kick out the
counselor that did something. So did anything happen? And he shouts,
you want me to lie? Rollins goes, well, the statue
of limitations is gone, so you can talk and there's
no liability for you or the camp. He looks stunned.

(54:36):
He screams, get the hell out of here. I don't
want that boy upstairs to hear any of this. Get out.
He looks pissed. I want him dead. So then they
go but I'm against the death penalty, okay. So they go.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Talk to.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
It's like, fuck, that's why it's all so complicated. Yeah,
I remembering it to do death penalty debates in high school.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Me too. I wrote a paper about it, like fifth
grade or something. Fifth grade.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, capital punishment, fifth grade.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
So they go talk to this assistant prosecutor from that case.
It was her first murder trial, and then the like
it was her first time as lead counsel and she had,
you know, like someone higher than her press, like the
DA was her lead. What's it called, like a supervising Yeah. Yeah,
And she said it was a good case. It was
a good case to cut my teeth on a man's

(55:27):
fucking life. The courthouse in Ohio is gorgeous though, marble, gold, filigree, green.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
She goes it was an open and shutcase. What do
you want And Benson's like, well, no, it's not. And
she keeps trying to walk away and like you know,
throwing stuff, and she's getting really defensive, and she's like, yeah,
I was given the solicitation information and it's public record,
and I gave it to the defense and they didn't
use it. That's not my fault, and Benson seems suspicious
since she's like, well, there are people, and Benson seems suspicious.

(55:56):
And then this woman is like, there are people on
death row that deserve clemency, but Reggie deserves to die,
and you get to decide. Fuck, you get to decide
who deserves to die. Also, I recognize this woman that's
playing the lawyer, so I looked her up and she
plays Sarah Hyland's mom in the Hothouse episode. Remember when
she's like freaking out and she's like, we did do this.

(56:17):
We did like we had to get the straight a's
and blah blah, and it's not fair.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
She's smarter than me. And the mom's like, calm down,
that's the mom.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I'm like, yeah, it's like a real woman, so we
can't be mean about her. But I'm like, you thin
lipped bitch, because she's a good actor. She's a good actor.
I hate her. So then you know, she goes off
and Benson's like, wow, she seems defensive and he goes listen,
she told us everything we actually needed to know. That
the lawyer was given the record and didn't use it.
That speaks to negligence, you know, Is that enough and

(56:46):
it's like enough for a pearl board hearing, let's go.
So his sister's talking to the board. Reggie is listening
in a cage in the corner, and at seventeen, she
saw his bloody under her when he was thirteen, and
her mom saw it too and didn't say a fucking word.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
The mom was using.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
She felt sorry for Reggie, but she couldn't fight her
and the mom's boyfriend, and she told the defense attorney
about it, but his lawyer told her to shut the
fuck up, and the jury did not need to know
that Reggie.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Was a homo.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
It's going good, and yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
It's so hard.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
It's gonna be even harder to do this podcast with
the new administrat because in my head him like everything
that's disappearing and all the like things they want to
hide and suppress, Like it's gonna just affect every you know,
if you're not allowed to be publicly gay and then
not like cases like this, like this lawyer, what a

(57:39):
piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
You'd rather.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
His client be sentenced to death then know that it
was molested, And like just because you're molested, that doesn't
mean you're gay, Like, yeah, you know, it's just gonna
make everything so complicated.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Yeah, whatever, So the.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Pearl Board hearing is going good, but you know, the
fifteen minutes left of this episode, so come on, use
your user brains. So the woman in the cream suit
speaks and and so then Ellis also, besides the sister's testimony,
brings seven signed affidavits from og jurors saying if they
knew about his past, they wouldn't have sentenced him to death.
The man speaks and takes off his glasses, which is

(58:20):
never good if someone takes off his glasses. He has
something bad to say and goes. So now he admits
to the murder. He denied the murder. Why would he
admit it now? And it's like, are you not hearing
any of this? And the lawyer like, I don't understand.
I don't understand what is happening? Are you not hearing
any of this? Okay, So they so basically, this board

(58:40):
has twenty four hours to make the decision.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
So now we wait.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
So they go talk to him and his you know
cell and the Borough board voted five to four against Reggie,
and he's like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
How?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
And so Benson and Ellis are now at a counter
there's a lot of muffins, and Benson's like, what the
fuck they read the defense was unconstitutionally deficient, So what
is going on?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
This doesn't make sense? What am I missing?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
And Ellis was like, well, four of those five votes
are ex cops and CEOs, and Benson's like, yeah, they
were like rolling their eyes while their you know, while
the sister talks. And then the fifth one, she asked
all the right questions. She's this woman in the cream suit,
she's being positive, she's the head of social services.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
And Alice goes, well, guess what, she should have fucking
recused herself for bias and not even been on this
because he got an off the record call that morning
that said that that Cream's suited bitch is married to
Jim Harrison, who is the lead prosecutor who supervised the
thin lipped lawyer, and that she cut her case on
Reggie's trial.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Yes, this is a big dune. Done. Was that clear? Yes?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Okay, so she shouldn't even be on this because she's
married to a man that was involved in the original case. Yeah,
Like that's that these people are evil, putting someone to
death for ea for your husband's record, Like because it's
gonna because it's gonna like take away something from your
husband's like like you know, stats as how many convictions

(01:00:08):
he's gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Oh but guess what ellis there's one last shot. Okay,
so well, and then Benzic goes who was rigged and
he's like, well, it's been rigged against Reggie from the start.
You know, he had like a crackhead mom like, yeah,
it's been rigged against him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
So now they're at the judge's office.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Who's like, wow, these are huge accusations like that the
prosecutors or defense like hit evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
And he's like yeah, they fucking suck. And she goes, well,
he's had twenty years to work on this. Why is
it like five days before? This seems like a hail Mary?
And it's like, ya, it is, it is. It's yeah,
the life they're begging. She won't grant a stay of
execution though, She says, you can have the files and
you have till noon to figure something out. And he goes,
it's only five o'clock. It's not even twenty four hours.

(01:00:54):
She goes, take it or leave it. He goes, yeah, thanks,
your honor you dumb hunt. And so then Benson and
Baird are in a hotel room, files photos everywhere, papers, papers, papers,
looking for clues and they find a clue. So like
in the crime scene of dan Forth, there's blood everywhere,
but in the middle of all the blood, there's like
a square area that's sanate, like that's clean, So there

(01:01:17):
was no blood there, so something was there. But this
means these photos are of a sanitized crime scene. What
was that square? What we find out they're polaroids, their photos.
Stacks of photos were taken away and not shown. They
fell on the floor during like the struggle when you know,
Mike Heysen came back and so then he saw all
the photos and that's what set him off because there

(01:01:37):
was like photos of the assaults and rapes and he
didn't want them scene and so so the photos are
what set him off. He hates photos. So who else
took photos of him? Because in the cell I missed
this through the recap, but like he why did he
say doesn't take photos? There was like a scene like

(01:01:57):
h he goes, I don't like to have my picture.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Taken because I think, yeah, because he's saying I don't
want my pearshaken. And then I think he's saying because
I know been happening, like it happened when he was
a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Oh he never said it before it happened here, right, yeah, okay, yeah,
so then you know he doesn't like having his photos taken.
He just does not like it, the photos or what
set him off. So that means and there had They're like,
oh other photos and videos exist, so like who else
did that? So now they're talking to Janitor Carisi zop
Check and it was you know what that last name
reminds me of the other two.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Isn't that their last name? Do Beck? Yeah? Is bec
in that? Yeah? I'm like, why am I so fucking
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
But Janitor crisis like it was humiliating Coach Schultz videotape
me and him in the basement and if he said
he and then said if I told anyone, he would
show everyone the photos. So it's like, yeah, that's why
there hasn't been a complaint fifty years. Craig in Yeah,
he doesn't want anyone to know, like he wants help,
Like he just doesn't want anyone to know about these photos.

(01:02:59):
But it's rush time. We got to save this man's life.
So Finn and Tomorrow are walking out of the prison
being like, fuck statue of limitations, like what are we
gonna do? Are we gonna get this guy? And Tomorrow goes, no, dude,
not for possession of child porn. There's no limits. So
we need to find the fucking photos. So Schultz remembers
details of what boys wore, so that means he probably
watches these all the time, Like why would he remember.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Wow, I didn't even catch that. Yeah, we need to
find this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
So it's a full on search at this house and
the little boy in the watering can comes out and
Tomorrow's trying to like talk to him to try to
get information, and then it cuts back to court and
the prosecutor bitches on the stand and I can't wait
for Ellis to get her asked. So then she was like,
the the murderer was brutal as fuck, and I was
trying to get justice for the murdered person, and I
worked hard every single day and the fact and the

(01:03:47):
Adiada court. So then we're back to the search going on,
and Pablo goes, well, Schultz asked me to burn all
of this after you came looking around and it's all
these burnt up videotapes and all this evidence and he's
and Omar's like, you burnt it all, and Pablo goes
the fire ran out before everything was burnt.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Okay. Back to trial.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Alice is like, Okay, you said that they were strangers,
but they had a prior relationship. So did you know
about everything about the case or do you suck at
your job? And she's like, yeah, there's evidence theying to
each other. And she's not shaken. She has an answer
for everything. And then we're back at the house. So
then the g I love his car. It sucks. So
jeep Grand Cherokee pulls up and the pedophile camp guy

(01:04:30):
and he's screaming.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
He's like, get out of here, blah blah blah, you
need a warrant. And then he.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Starts screaming like the house doesn't include the shed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
You can't be in my shed. This is illegal. He
starts talking about things being an admissible in court or not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
And for for you just to be a camp director
and know all this legal shit, like clearly you're a criminal.
You've known yeah, And so Rollins goes, shut up. It
SAIDs property, not house. And he looks at Pablo and
is like, I gave you everything. I told you to
do one thing. How fuck dare you? And then he
grabs the little boy's neck and pulls him down and says,

(01:05:04):
you sold me out, your little bastard. So Omaro grabs
his ass and he keeps using more legal terms. I'm
the boy's legal guardian, you fucking creep and whatever. He
keeps screaming, and the watering canboy is scared, so then
he calls everyone idiots. I'm the only father they ever had.
So we're back in court and then we're back to
blood and the square of the photos. That's like, what's

(01:05:26):
going on in court right now? So they were missing
and she never got them. So Alice is like, let
me get this straight. You didn't investigate mister dan Force's
criminal history of soliciting the young men. You knew nothing
about mister Rhodes's history of sexual abuse, and you knew
nothing about dan Forth like paying mister Rhodes for sex.
So are you bad at your job or did you

(01:05:48):
intentionally hide all of this from the defense. She goes
absolutely not, I would have never done that, and the
sister and Benson are in the stands and they like
kind of give a look to each other like fuck
you did, bitch, And so then they hate her and
hopefully Ellis is gonna bury her. She goes, Okay, I
guess I could have fucked up a little, but it's
because of my inexperience. I would have never purposely withhold
evidence to put a man on death row. But also, like,

(01:06:09):
what the fuck is up with the process like the
DA's office that they would put like someone's first lead
case to be a capital punishment case. Yeah, yeah, I
got so fucked up. But don't worry, because he has
more evidence. And he hands her a bunch of notes, right,
and it's like an envelope, and he goes, what's on
the outside of the envelope And it says to mister

(01:06:30):
Harrison from mL Marnie Lathrop and that's her, okay, and
so and it says FYEO for your eyes only, not
to be shared with the defense, and now read from
this page, bitch. And it's in her handwriting, and what
does it say? And she goes, I don't want to
use this language. It makes me feel uncomfortable. And he goes, well,

(01:06:50):
you wrote it, so why don't you say it? Yeah,
and the judge gets mad, and the judge goes read it,
and so she's pissed, but she has to read it.
And now that she's a perjury bitch, I can't wait.
Let's put her on the death row. So further notes.
So then this is what it says on the notes.
Further notes on the F word squad Reggie Rhoades odd

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jobs for Reggie Danforth may refer to sexual favors. Enclosed
envelope contains photos found at scene, sexually explicit images of
victim and defendant. Does that jog your memory, bitch? And
the photos are in the envelope.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
And even when.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
This became a death penalty case, she held onto these
photos that she had. She knew she had them, she
did not bring them up. And now you're perjuring on
the fucking stand. So she didn't share them with anyone
but her supervisor. And it's like Ellis got her. The
sister looks satisfied. Benson touches the sister's knee, like we
got her. The judges disgusted, grants a stay of execution.

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You know, death warrant will expire. Benson and Ellis share
a beautiful. Look Benson and the sister hug.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
We won.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
We won, Reggie, the state will look at the case.
We got you a new trial. You're gonna be moved
to a different prison. He hugs both of them. At Asner, though,
is in shackles. He's not in an orange jumpsuit, he's
in a brown one. And he's like being walked into prison.
And guess who's in the bars, in behind the bars
looking at him walking into prison the janitor.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
So now the janitor behind bars.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Is seeing the person that like molested him in the prison.
And that's a crazy end because in my head, I'm like,
do you think he's like fuck, yeah, the guy's arrested,
or like, oh, I'm gonna stab him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Like what do you think is going? Like what is
this end?

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Do you think obviously that's sick wolf baby? But like, yeah,
I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Well, I'll tell you the real cases and we'll see
what's up, because I think Carreese janitor has like nothing
to lose.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
He's not gonna see daylight again. He's like he, well,
he murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Well, actually he's actually just has two assault cases. Nobody
died of the guys he attacked so he could get out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I hope he doesn't murder the guy and get life,
but we'll see. That's I'm sure he'll make his lifetime
in prison very difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
At least. There are a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Cases that this draws from, So I'm gonna dive right
in the first. Okay, the dub check part of this
episode is based I think on John Gagan. John Joseph
Jack Gagan was a Catholic priest in the Archdiocese of Boston.
Maybe you've heard of them from a little movie called Spotlight,
and he was a serial child rapist. This priest was

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accused of sexually abusing one hundred and thirty boys at
least over his thirty year career, and, in a classic
move from the Catholic Church playbook, happens in six parishes
because obviously, you know, they shuffle this guy's ass around.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Gagan was defrocked in nineteen ninety eight by Pope John
Paul the Second. He was found guilty in February two
thousand and two of indecent assault and battery for grabbing
a ten year old boy's butt in a swimming pool
at the Wall Fam Boys and Girls Club in nineteen
ninety one and was sentenced to nine to ten years
in prison. And I'm like, he got nine to ten
years in prison for grabbing a butt. I think it's

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like there were other cases. He was prosecuted in two
other sexual abuse cases. One was dropped because the victim
decided not to testify, and in the second one a
judge dismissed the conviction in two rapes because the statute
of limitations had run out, which is just so gross.
This whole statute of limitations thing is like ugh. At first,

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the Archdioces of Boston initially agreed to pay eighty six
victims thirty million dollars in a settlement. Then they pulled
out and eventually settled for ten million. They're always trying
to save a buck. Gagan was serving his sentence in
protective custody at SUSA Baranowski Correctional Center in Lancaster, mass
There was another inmate there named Joseph Lee Druce, which

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is his name he named himself. He was born Darren
Ernest Smile Edge and he changed his name in prison.
I don't know what the deal was, but he was
serving life without parole for killing a man who came
on to him. He was a self proclaimed neo Nazi
and once mailed his own feces to the state's attorney general,
and just two years later he sent anthrax hoax letters

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to lawyers with Jewish last names.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
So not a good guy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
But Druce had been sexually abused in boarding school as
a child. He heard that Gagan had taught another inmate
how to sexually abuse children, So for a month, Druce
plotted to murder Gagan. He wanted revenge on all sex
child sex abusers. On August twenty third, two thousand and three,
Druce followed sixty eight year old Gagan into his cell
after lunch and jammed the door so that the corrections

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officers could not get in. He bound and gag Gagan
with a bedsheet, and then he strangled him and stomped
him to death. He repeatedly jumped from the bed onto
Gagan's motionless body and also beat him with his fists.
The cause of death was ligature strangulation and blunt chest trauma.
Prison officials were questioned like, hey, why would you keep

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these two men the same unit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
For protective custody? Like a lot, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
What's going on with like the dumb check stuff, and
it was alleged that the CEOs had been warned also
that by another inmate that Drews planned to attack Gagan. Also,
in addition, usually two officers are stationed in that unit,
but at the time there was only one and he
had left to take another inmate to the infirmary. Supposedly,
staffing cuts were to blame for making the prison like

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more dangerous, more volatile. So there had been speculation that
also that Druce was killing Gagan as a hit, like
someone had offered to pay him, but also that he
thought it would earn him cred in the prison if
he killed him. He's got by the way, Druce is
in their life without possibility of parole, so he's like
I could do whatever I want. Drews was found guilty

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of first degree murder in two thousand and six.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
And for me is it's like I wonder because obviously
you're in prison for life, so frame of mind is different.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
But it's like you can be in solidary because like
I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
About escape Dan Mora, but it's like obviously you want
to try to escape, of course, but like now he's
gonna sell alone twenty four hour surveillance at all times. Yeah,
it's like you did have it good. So it's like
you have nothing to lose, but you do, Yeah, you do.
You do within prison either ben pop or you're alone
in a cell for twenty three hours a day.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
It's like, I but.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Mind frame is obviously different between me sitting on the
outside like thinking about.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
This right, and he's he's possibly not a mentally well individual.
He's mailing a shit to people, you know, like I
don't know, so, like, you know, he's maybe not considering it.
He's like, if I kill this guy, I'm gonna be
the most cool guy in the prison. Yeah, but you
might be by yourself befriending a cockroach, you know, Like
we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
He is found guilty of first degree murder for Gagan's
murder in two thousand and six and was again sentenced
to life like a second life sentence without possibility of parole.
The following year, the Boston Harold gets a handwritten letter
signed Joseph Lee Drews that said the truth about officer
involvement in John Gagan's death, along with an address for
a YouTube video. The video contained security footage from the

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prison showing five CEOs attempting to open the cell door
for ten minutes, and it also showed emergency personnel trying
to resuscitate Gagan. I don't really know how this is
the truth. This is like what people are saying happened.
I think they investigated who posted the video, but it's
unclear if they ever found out who it was. But
it was from an internal security camera, so it must
have been someone who worked at the Department of Corrections.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
And that's kind of the end of that story. Quote.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Many victims are disappointed end quote, said Mitchell Gara Badian,
who was a lawyer representing more than two hundred of
Gagan's victims and other clergy. They quote, they wish father
John Gagan had time to be in prison to reflect
end quote. So some of the like I was reading that,
some of the victims were like, well, he can't hurt
anybody anymore. But also we wanted him to reflect on

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his crimes. So we didn't want it because this was
less than a year that he was in jail when
he was murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
It was very quick.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
So now the Martin Schultz case seems to be based
on a guy named Claudius Vermilier. I don't really know
how to say this last name, but I'm going to
say it like that. He is another defrocked priest, but
this time an Episcopalian defract priest. He operated what was
called the Boys Farm at Rourke's Cove in Alto, Tennessee,

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a farming community in the Appalachian Foothills, between nineteen seventy
one and nineteen seventy six. He was known by the
locals as Bud. He marketed the farm as a rehabilitation
center for homeless and wayward use, a place where quote
boys could learn self respect and responsibility end quote. Troubled
boys were placed into his custody by courts, welfare agencies,

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and sometimes by their own parents, you know, very Paris
Hilton parents sending her to this like you know, scared
straight camp or whatever. Vermilier sexually abused these boys aged
eleven to sixteen. Also took photos of it, which he
developed in his own photo lab. Then he disseminated the
photos to people for money, both in and out of Tennessee.
And another gross detail is that he use the boys

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themselves to help with this whole mailing business, like they
would put these mailing packages together of photos of their
own abuse and like, okay, we got to get these
out to all the customers. He also brought in John's.
He pimped the boys out to other men like sounds
like an absolute nightmare. And you know, these kind of
men think that they are never going to get caught.
So he was advertising in porno magazines. He the law

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caught wind of his farm and like the back pages,
like the backpages of porn magazines, he was advertising like, oh,
I've got you know, I've got this farm where you can,
you know, come to have some companionship with boys or whatever.
And the law enforcement caught wind of that via these
advertisements and what they heard what was going on down there.

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So Vermilier was arrested in November of nineteen seventy six.
When they searched the premises, they discovered developed and underdeveloped
photographs of child sex abuse images, as well as card
catalog containing the names of hundreds of current and previous
financial contributors, so customers, if you will. Many of these
contributors eventually testified against him for immunity. Several of the

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boys who testified said their relationship with Vermilier was consensual.
None of them mentioned being forced. He's obviously brainwashed all
of them. I have photos, I have pictures, Like the
people are going to find out what you did.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
One boy did testify that it was understood that posing
for these photos was necessary if you wanted to stay
on the farm. But the prosecutor had two thousand photos
thirteen letters that he wrote to a Delaware quote unquote
customer offering slide sets for twenty five dollars and touting
the skills of two fifteen year old boys at the farm.
He was forced to admit that he had sent these

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nude photos and sex filled letters to some homosexual sponsors.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Is what the words are. But he denied knowledge or.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Responsibility for most of the photographs and said that he
had shot a few of them for an artist, but
also that he was using them for sublimination counseling with
his homosexual clients, like in an effort to keep their
desires in the closet. Like I looked up some elimination counseling,
and it was like turning something bad into good, Like
I think it was like, hey, if you just have
these pictures, you don't have to go out and like

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find any underage boys to assault, you know, So that's
what he claimed he was doing. He also claimed that
the rest of the photographs that they found were planted
by agents of an unspecified national child porn ring quote
unquote national child porn ring. So Vermilie also used this
is horrible. He also used his own son, William for

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child sex abuse images, but William disappeared in the summer
of nineteen seventy four and was never found.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
So I killed them obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
But I did find I found Vermilier's obituary, and in
the obituary it said he's predeceased by his son William.
I don't know if he's been declared dead. Maybe it's
a girl with the dragon tattoo type of thing where
the woman got away, where like he went away and
started a new life just to get away from his dad. Like,
I have no idea, or he killed him. I don't

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know how old the kid was. Was hard to find information.
One of Vermilia's former wards, David Forrester, sued the state
of Tennessee for a million dollars, claiming that corrections off
officials are the ones that placed him at the farm,
which he essentially said was a male prostitution ring, and
willfully neglected their duty to investigate the facility. His lawyer

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claimed that he and the other boys who refused to
cooperate were beaten and subjected to quote unquote constant pressure
to conform. In June of nineteen seventy seven, Vermiliers found
guilty and sentenced to five to ten years of imprisonment
for crimes against nature. So weird the way that they're
calling these things. Ten to fifteen years for aiding in
a betting crimes. I think it's a gay thing, not
a pedophile. Yeah yeah, I think so. I don't know,

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but I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like
say what he did? Say it? You know, But it's
the seventies, and so he got He totaled a sentence
of twenty five to forty years in prison. I could
not find how many years he served. I was checking
in a Tennessee inmate thing. I couldn't find his name.
So I don't know how many years he served, but

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I do know that in nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
I no, I want to know, Like how comes Sometimes
we can find an inmate. Sometimes we can't. Sometimes we
can find how long they've been there. Sometimes we can't.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Like what is that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
I feel like it's state by state, don't you Like
some states it's like it's not public knowledge. In some
states it is like part of public record.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
But it's also a sex crime, Like where is he
on the registry? Like we should know if he's said
or not. I don't see if.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Crimes against nature a sex crime. That's what I don't know.
Like maybe that's something that happened more in the eighties,
like where they changed the legislat like they changed the
actual wording of the law. And was there a registry
in the seventies, you know, Like I don't know, it's crazy,
But in nineteen seventy eight he does get defrocked, you know,
from the priesthood of the Episcopalian church.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
In eighty four, Wow, I'm shocked they didn't make a
sin glass.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Window in his honor. I know, I don't know, in
who loves the church?

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
In eighty four, he sought.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
A retrial, saying that his conviction and sentences were void
due to a denial of his constitutional rights to effective
legal counsel. It was denied by the Supreme Court in
December of nineteen eighty seven. But then it says he
died in twenty eighteen in kill Devil Hills, which is
like such an ironic name for a fucking pedophle to
dial in a place called kill Devil kill Devil Hills,
North Carolina at eighty nine. And I found his obituary,

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which of course mentions nothing about his crimes, and it
doesn't seem like he died in prison. So I think
he got out, but I don't know how many years
he served. But if he had done forty five, if
he had done forty years from June of nineteen seventy seven,
he would have gotten out in like seventeen, and then
he died in eighteen, So.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
It looks like he maybe got out of jail, or
but maybe he served less time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
It was impossible to find.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I'm sorry if anyone knows, if you live in that area,
someone who murdered him, well, I was waiting for him
to get out. There's like a photo and everything in
his obituary. It's crazy. So this scandalosious to quote wicked, Okay,
the last crime so this case is crazy. This is like,
this is where the whole, This is where the hole

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is scared.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
I'm scared.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
The relationship between the woman and the guy who was
the lead counsel on the case.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
This is where this comes from. Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
So in nineteen ninety, Charles Dean Hood was was sentenced
to death in the nineteen eighty nine killings of Tracy
Lynn Wallace, aged twenty six, and Ronald Williamson, forty six,
in their home in Plano, Texas, which is a suburb
of Dallas. Hood said for years he was innocent. Many
years after his sentencing, his attorneys were trying to save
him from being executed, and they raised allegations that the

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judge in his trial had been having an extra marital
affair with the district attorney that was prosecuting the case.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
So because they.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Were both married, they denied the fair the affair even
to Hood's death penalty lawyers, but after it finally came
to light, they said, the judge, finally, the judge is
the woman, by the way, and the not that it
has to be a heterosexual couple, but it is. The
judge is a woman, and the DA or the ADA
is a man, and after it finally came to light,
the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals rejected Hood's challenge in

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two curt sentences. Basically, the Texas Criminal Appeal Court of
Criminal Appeals goes, oh, sorry, your lawyers should have brought
this up earlier, And they're like, yeah, how could we
have brought it up earlier when the existence of the
fair was not conclusively established until two thousand and eight, Like,
we actually couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
We didn't know about it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
So like that's when the judge and the prosecutor were
forced to admit it under oath was eight. So the
issue is is that could a criminal trial where the
prosecutor and the judge are secretly in love ever be
a fair trial? And it's an issue that the courts
refuse to fully address whether it violated Hood's right to
a fair trial or not, because Texas law requires that

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a judge recused themselves whenever their quote impartiality might reasonably
be questioned end quote, or they have a quote personal
bias or prejudice concerning the subject matter or a party
end quote, like judge absolutely should have recused absolutely. Hood's
judge later admitted that she should have recused herself. So

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what the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals did do since
they wouldn't grant him you know that what they did
do was grant him a new sentencing trial because they
said that jurors were not given proper instructions on considering
mitigating evidence that he did not deserve the death penalty.
Nothing to do with the lawyer judge, soap opera. But
that's also like kind of what happened in his case,
Like no one told them about the molestation or the

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years of abuse or anything like that that would have
been mitigating circumstances about the death penalty. So they do
give him another sentencing trial, but in twenty thirteen, he
decides to forego the new sentencing trial and instead changes
his plea to guilty, and he gets life without possibility
of parole or appeal. He also does not receive credit
for the twenty three years that he had already spent
on death row, which I don't know why that would

(01:24:57):
make a difference anyway if he has life.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
But whatever, what do you mean credit?

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Like, you know, sometimes if they change your stuff, they'll
give you credit for time served. Yeah, he gets no
credit for time served, but I don't know why I'm
even reading that in an article because he has life anyway,
but I don't know no.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Credit for that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
So basically, I think this guy did do it, even
though he said for years that he didn't do it.
And so instead of like waiting for a new sentencing trial,
he was like, I'll just change my plea and get life,
because that's really all I wanted was to not get
the death penalty.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
So ada.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
John Schomberger said, prosecutors quote felt vindicated in the sense
that he acknowledged what we knew he did is murder those.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
People end quote.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
So the people being all kind of connected in terms
of like, you know, we talk about this a whole
the time with the judges and the priests.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
It's like we give this like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
God like status right and power to these people, and
it's like they are regular people.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Yeah, you don't know, shitty regular people.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Like when are we gonna stop giving so much power
to just regular people?

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Yeah? No, one's better than us. Yeah, I wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
And it's also like, if you're having a secret affair
and you're the judge, you're like, well, I can't recuse
myself because they're gonna ask me why you know, but
you have to you should have recused yourself. I guess
you have to figure out something else. Say you play
squash with that lawyer. It's not fair, you know, say something,
but it's the death penalty.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
But like, how are you a judge on the bench
when that's your judgment. You should not have a job anymore.
I know, you chose to have an affair over a
man's life. You should not be on the bench.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Yeah, crazy, but they really I thought this episode, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Even be a fucking idiot. I just wish I was
so dumb. I wish I was so dumb. I don't
think I'm a genius or anything, but like, god do
I wish it was dumb and a sociopath. I think
my life would be a lot easier, so easy. Yeah,
I want to live like a fucking like who cares
only me?

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Yeah, Oh they're gonna sence the man to death. Well,
as long as my affair gets kept secret. Yeah what
are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
I know?

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
And if you just managed like a costcode'd be like
all right, but you're on the bench. You've been deciding
people's faith. But these people all believe in the death penalty.
They're like, this guy killed someone, so let's kill him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
You know, like that's like, yes, their eye for an
eye bullshit, you know whatever. But let's get into our
post mortem because I have a lots to say about
this episode. I mean this episode is tough because I
mean what we've already discussed, it's like crazy to have
an episode featuring someone who's been convicted of a sexual abuse. Uh,

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but I do, I do. It's a crazy episode and
well it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Is, and they just always do a good job of
like people are flawed, which leads to the system being
flawed and we have to be bitch, yeah, because shady
shit is going down. Yeah, and and like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Judges, these attorney I mean it's it's and the trauma,
I mean thinking of that, that's what the never.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Ending cycle of the trauma.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Yeah, like not be like having this childhood trauma that
like literally just of course you have so much like
rage and it leads to more hurt people, hurt people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Oh anyway, but Art.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Andrey Brower, I mean it's like a great episode in
terms of like guest cast and twists and turns and
like courtroom scenes, ed Asner, I mean, it's like a
great episode of television.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Yeah, I know Valentine's Day has passed as of this
episode coming out, but there have been there has been
a lot of Luigi Valentine's Day content coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
I don't know if you've seen it. Many people have
been sending have been returned. Oh no, no, but someone
sent me a Reddit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I did a lot of things wrong. I would say
I did almost everything you can do wrong. Wait, wait,
go on, I want to hear this. The envelopes have
to be white. Mine were like fun, I had fun. Okay,
that's to be just white lined paper. No cards, you
need your full name with the address are are like yeah,

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no colored end, no stickers. I use stickers to like
and he's like the back like being a yssive.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
So those are the main things that I broke. Uh,
those rules.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
So do you think you'll write him with like your
full name and your address and everything?

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Yeah, because I use the address.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I don't know what I'm trying to hide, but like,
I just obviously it's going to be strict, and then
they photo copy, and then the inmates get photo copies
of the letters.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Got it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
So it's just gonna take me long, you know, I
have I'm gonna write again.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
He has some court dates.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Coming up, but it'll be a lot later because all
my shit was like red envelopes with glitter stickers, and
that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
They were like, sorry, babe, you can't send you Different
Island times take.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Cards to this guy. Yeah, so you stick I do
have a huge brag.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I'm in the New York Magazine's Matrix, I mean the
cultural Matrix.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Yeah, I have it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
I'm a low brow brilliant. Oh my god, low brow book.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Talk about the next name of your fucking album, the
name of your next low bout.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Wait, Oh my god, you're in the intelligence sir. That
is crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
So it's called the Like Approval Matrix, And basically it's
the last page of New York Magazine, what I subscribe to.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
So I'm gonna post it. But I got to go into.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
My mailbox and like take out my favorite magazine and
I'm in it. So it's split up into like grid,
so it's highbrow and low brow are vertical, and then
like the across is despicable to brilliant. So I'm in
low brow Brilliant with Chapel Roone, Lady Gaga and Porky
the pig.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
I see you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Oh my god, I see you. Okay, I'm gonna posted
on the Instagram. Oh yeah, it's excited. It's exciting, and
you got to do a grub street. I saw it
and I liked it, but I haven't gotten to read
it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
In there with Porky and Daffy. Yeah, I'm under chapel.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Yeah, abortion meds like cool shit, I'm gonna get it framed.
Why I'm annoyed because the highbrow despicable is like Elon Trump,
like every you know, I'm annoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
But an rfk's in there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Why is James calling on New York hospitals to keep
treating trans youth lowbrow and brilliant? Maybe it's lowbrow to
take away women's rights, I guess yeah, but it seems
like it's like we're talking about her doing something good.
But well, also, why is Beyonce indespicable highbrow? For Beyonce

(01:31:50):
is ready to tour her way to another half billion books.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
And it's like, but that's good. Yeah. I tried to
get the tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
No, no, I'm gonna try again Friday because I didn't
have a pre sale code, So I'll try again Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
But yeah, I don't know. We'll see, we'll see. Yeah,
if I can get a ticket on Friday. Oh my god,
how exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
I read that every time I get a New York
magazine in my hands.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
That's like my favorite part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
I love that, I know if and it's it was
like a surprise, you know, like I didn't know that
this was going to happen. So I'm yeah, I was
really excited, especially next the porky. Yeah, because I'm a
Looney Tunes girl, you know what I mean. Yes, and
they're saying it's refresh it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
I love it. This is great. Wow, how exciting. Oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Okay, okay, but yeah, crimes are bad, trauma is bad.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Yeah, you know the usual postmortem takeaways.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Oh here, I'm going to show you the Snoopy from
the beginning episode now that I have my phone out, but.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
There's mine. Oh from the tables.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Yeah, the eyes are a little fucked. I think he's
just a little stone. I think he's having Yeah, he's
having a town.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Yeah. Yeah, Snoopy's partying. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
But of course we were with fucking mateo. His buttons
look like fucking three D. Yeah, of course he does
like a full home mados. Oh my god, so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
But then some people like added ear rings and lashes
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Yes, oh my god, I love it was fun. Snoopy,
Light to the game.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
But if you've not done a painting party, you know
that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Because I've been lately feeling like I wanted to like
do some kind of like artistic craft or something in
my free time, of which I don't have a ton,
but I was like, I want to like get into
some kind of craft.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
What could I do?

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
I've almost thought I was like, should I buy a
piece of furniture and try to like rehab a piece
of furniture? Maybe I should just start simple with a
sip and sea, a sip and paint or what.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Yeah, it was fun. I like, I really enjoyed it.
I I can't I feel like I was judgmental, like
I thought it was lame or something, But I really
loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
No, that's wonderful. I mean, like in Snoopy, come on,
you can't go wrong. All right, let's move into our
what would Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment
where we direct you all to a you know, to
an article, a book, an organization, something that'll give you
more info about what we talked about today and this
week for WWSPD, we wanted to point you to the

(01:34:22):
No More Global Directory. This is a comprehensive international directory
of domestic and sexual violence resources in almost every un
recognized country and territory in the world. Uh, because you
know some of you know we were this obviously is
I don't want to just give resources that are us only.
We know a lot of you guys listen from other
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(01:35:07):
up pod.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Go give it a follow.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Thank you so much for that, and next week we
will be doing I don't know why I'm out of breath.
I've been sitting this whole time like I feel like,
what just happened to me?

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Was I holding my breath? Suddenly winded?

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
But we'll be doing a single life from season one
episode two.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Wow, we're going back backon episode never.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Yeah, I'm shocked we did it. Yeah, it's really interesting.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
So we'll see you guys next week and uh yeah bye.

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Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
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