Smoked w/ Hayley McFarland

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
These are our stories, done done.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yay, that's messed up. And that's why did I just
forget the name of my podcast? That's us up, that's
View Podcasts. We're here episode two ten.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Baby. My name is Liza Traeger and I'm Kara Klank.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
And in case you decided to hop on at episode
two ten, I'll tell you what we do here. We
recap an episode of SVU. We dive into the true
crimes that it was based on, and we talked to
a guest from the show. And today's a good one.
This episode is awesome today. But before we get into it,
we just like to chat a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, wow, it's so funny, you said, if someone just
dives in. Because I was at my coffee shop, and
if a few you know, you watch my Instant stories,
you might have heard this. But I'm wearing my sv
sweatshirt with an it like, I mean, it's such a
good crap. Like the fact that Melinda and bet Wong
are in this it's just like my favorite aunt Craigan.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
It's my favorite sweatsher. I mean, JK, my iced one is.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
But she was like, lol iced Tea and Marishka they're
not really on it. That's like a weird group. I go,
what are you talking about? I go, this is the
core group. She goes, but they haven't really worked together.
I go, they've he's been on since season two. I'm like,
he's been on and he goes, but what about that guy?
I go, I go, much is dead? I go, I don't.
Do you not know about any of this? She goes, oh,

(01:45):
so you like know about this? It's not just like
a hipster shirt. I go, no, it's from the NBC store,
not a hipster shirt, babe.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I only said name three songs, and you were like,
fuck off.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'm gonna tell you everything, you dumb bitch. I see,
and Marishka haven't been in it. Yeah, if you're listening,
I remember you no. But then I go, no, I
actually have a podcast, and I told her about I'm like,
I'm about to go recap an episode right now, and
so welcome if if you've decided, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
I just don't know even where you got the information.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
That Marishka and Ica don't ever work together and aren't
the full main two characters of the show.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
It's so.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
And then she said like she likes this other show,
and I go, oh, what's this other show? Assuming it
was like a Criminal Minds or a Bones, you know,
like what, But it was like following people that are
getting married for green cards around and I go, what why?
This has nothing to do with anything the fuck? But
maybe we have a new listener, so welcome listen.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
You're recruiting them one by one.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, we obviously have a lot to talk about. It's
post Taylor, but I do have to say. I'm in Toronto.
I land drop stuff off at the hotel, a quick change,
let's get into the city. Let's get into town. And
I see Bella Caresi in a window of a cafe.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, well yeah, but I'm letting the listeners know. I
saw Bella Caresi and it was it took us o.
I was like, I know her, I know her, And
then I went I think she's from Homeland, which she is,
which that was an exciting brain power of mine. Oh yeah,
And then like forty five minutes into my lunch, I

(03:25):
went it's Bella Caresi, And so it.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Was a thrill.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
The IMDb of your brain just clicked in during during soup.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I know, it is so funny that like a like
your my Passion shirt can be a hipster shirt that
you spend one hundred and fifty dollars on at a
vintage shop.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
I guess you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Oh and I know everyone wants to know about Taylor,
but I'm trying to get some other stuff off because
once I start, I feel like I'm not gonna be
able to stop.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
You know, Casey's waving every flag he can find.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
So also, I went vintage shopping in my neighborhood in
New York and I found the exact shoot, not like
from the set, but the exact Manolo blonics that Carrie
Bradshaw was meant to take off at the baby shower episode.
Oh my god, the baby. So I put them on.
It was exciting. They were a size too big. I
honestly would have bought them for whatever I think. I

(04:22):
think I would have gotten them, but it was it
was a thrill. That's cool, that's cool. The other thing
that's not Taylor that I just want to squeeze in
is So. I you know, there's this tattoo artist I've
been following for a while, obsessed, and they posted a
flash sheet and and I wrote, oh my god, love
it come to New York. I get an email from

(04:45):
the tattoo artist being like, hey, I'm gonna be in
New York in February, Like, these are the dates? Do
you want to schedule? I go, oh my god, what
a thrill. I'm thinking this the size, these dates work
for me. I get back it's like, we need this
deposit and then we'll schedule a zoom to talk about stuff.
And I get the deposit infhone. I look at the
email and something about it. I go, I don't know
about this, and I DM the tattoo artist with a screenshot, going, hey,

(05:09):
before I venmo the money, I just want to make
sure this is you.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
She goes, that's definitely not me.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Wait, so, how so somebody hacked her and DMed you
from her account?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
No, it was a Gmail. That's what made me suspicious.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
It was like her tattoo art was the like the photo,
it was her the name of the tattoo at Gmail.
So that was But I have a Gmail, and I'm
a legit person, so it's not like it's not an
absolute indicator. But before I before I send three hundred
fifty dollars deposit.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Wow, I'm so glad you fucking got the spidy sense
and you.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Like I got a lot of Spidey sense.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
And it was like the pape, the Venmo of it all,
And then it was like why wouldn't she have DMed?
But also the name for the Venmo was a man's name,
and I go, this isn't a man. There's no amat
because I don't I don't know who the artist is,
like I've never seen them. It's just their work. But
it's a woman. It's like, so it's like there's no way.
But yeah, so then I just wrote like nice try

(06:08):
winky face, but uh close.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Oh I like that you gave your uh you gave
the criminal a little bit of a wink on the
way out.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
That's listen. It's a good scam like to.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
But I wonder if they saw it and were like, oh,
let's try to get Like I wonder if this is
their usual scam or if it was an opportunity crime,
like a crime of opportunity, Like I'm just curious, or
if they scan tattoo pages constantly looking for desperate people
like me being like come to my town or.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, or they go to this girl's page and they
just try to find anybody that they that has commented
or shared any of her content and they set up
a little email to look like it. Yeah, it's like,
you know, scammer, be careful, guys. We are living in
the golden age of the scam honestly, honestly, wait, can
I say really quickly before we get.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Into I think you should and then you should have yeah, yeah, question.
I saw Wicked. Yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I thought it was so good, and I will be honest,
I have never seen a movie musical that is better
than the stage for me, and I don't know that
it's better than this, because like I loved seeing Wicked
on Broadway so much, but this movie is like gorgeous.
It is so amazingly done. It's really pretty. And Cynthia

(07:28):
Revo is really great. I'm not like, I'm not the
biggest Ariana fan. I'm not like a not a fan.
But she really kills it too. They're both really great.
The guy who's Fierro is great. I was gonna say,
it's a little bit. You know, Michelle Yo can't sing,
but she's amazing. Jeff Goldblum can't really sing, but he's amazing.
I understand in movies, you gotta know that.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
They both got than Cynthia. No, that's the whole thing.
So I saw a post that was like Arianna made
a fifteen million and Cynthia made a million. And then
of course it's like, well she is a drawn. It's
like it doesn't fucking matter. Hopefully she gets a back
end deal. Her agents are crazy, like, but this happened
in the Barbie movie where it was like Serai two
hundred thousand dollars or something like they fucking do this

(08:11):
to black women all the time. Oh my, But people
kept being like all right on arian And then it's
like to find out these two side characters made more
than Cynthia. Hopefully it's not real, Hopefully it's online. But
my friend who I trusted, post this, So yeah, it's annoying.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
No, because she's literally the heart of the whole movie.
Is like it she like even though it is like
about the two, it's like Cynthia Rivo's character like Alpha,
but is like the.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Main yes, of course, you know, like she is spinning
in the air live singh sons. I mean they are
very pretentious. She is very pretentious. Like these interviews are insane.
This is like I've never she is the most theater
person I think I've ever witnessed doing press in my fuck.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
You sound like someone who's not holding space for the
lyrics of defying gravity right now?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
You know what, but holding a finger I love holding
a finger holding.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I was telling I was describing it to Jared, and
I go, not only is it so funny because this
woman brings up this completely, this completely word salady woo
woo thing about holding space for song lyrics. Then they go, oh,
I didn't know that was happening. Their reaction is so serious.
Then the woman who was interviewing them goes, yeah, I
saw a couple of posts. A couple of posts, what

(09:24):
are we talking about? And then there's the finger touch.
It's like every single piece of it is like its
own meme. It's so funny. I love that so much.
I watched it a bunch of times. But the movie
is excellent. I'm excited. It's two hours and forty minutes.
I didn't even notice I didn't even notice. And I'm
usually like, at hour ninety, I'm like, how many more

(09:45):
minutes do we have left? And I didn't notice. I
thought it away excellent. Bowen is so funny in it.
He seems like he's improvising, and he's got a bunch
of little moments in there.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
It's great. It's great. SpongeBob, you know he's in there.
It's it's good. But I'm seeing it the friday after.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm trying to implement a green and pink dress code
for the family, but only the grandmas have responded.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I am being shunned.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I am being shunned, but I think we should wear
green and pink.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Why not, let's take a photo, like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, it's it's kind of the final it's the rush
to the inauguration, you know.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
What I mean. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, that's really all. Get it all done well, speaking
of things that well buy.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
This is what I was gonna say, though, really quickly,
because you just said inauguration.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Though.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
It is wild when you're watching Wicked, how much it
just maps up right to politics, Like it really is right,
it's perfect, Like it's in the least in the first
part Glinda is like white women who voted for Trump,
and like the Wizard is like it's crazy. It's like
a snake oil salesman, like it's crazy. But you know,

(10:55):
I just thought that was really like spooky. All right,
Casey just gave us the ten minute flag, which means
we need to get into Taylor.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
I have not talked to you. I've seen the social media.
I mean I didn't.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I'm assuming were there any major issues, hicc hops, anything
or was it like smooth sailing?

Speaker 4 (11:16):
I love that that's your No, nothing went wrong. It
was great.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
All my preparation thought I did, everything worked out perfect.
It was like, yeah, it was the best, and you
mentioning things flying by, like it went by so fast.
Every time she would go into a new song or era,
I'm like stop, stop, I'm ready, like I need a moment,
Like it just went by so fast and was so

(11:43):
perfect and great. I also want to say it is
so wholesome, like all the outfits are so fun, like
I've never been I don't think it's to a concert
where people are that. Like everyone is intentional about their dressing,
you know, like even the most casual it's a shirt,
it's a nod Or. It's people that came super early
to get the tour exclusive merch, you know, the blue

(12:06):
brunetts and the half.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Tips, like it really is so cute.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Okay, So I would say from the flight immediately, like
there was like a lot of people, like you could
tell that we're going, and like our hotel had balloons
that said eras and disco balls and step in repeats
and bead making stations and everything was just like full tailor.

(12:31):
They had tailor drag brunch like it was. They were
support an economy. It's a full economy. It fully is
because outside of the concert, this was the I also
thank you everyone that came to my show. That was
really fun and exciting. And are you guys do not
have to bring presents. Do not feel obliged. You do

(12:53):
not have to give me drugs. Appreciate it of course.
The thoughtfulness. I mean you saw the Moodang, right, Yeah,
someone three D printed and hand painted a fucking Moodang
with Taylor bracelets on its little little pause. I mean,
I can't even, I can't even, but yeah, just like

(13:14):
such cute stuff and fun bracelets. But anyways, overall, yeah,
the shopping, I got a trench, like the vintage. The
food I had the best wrenches. Like we were out
and about like every little store, every neighborhood, every park,
like it was just crisp, gorgeous, Like I love Toronto,
such good food.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
And I know I want to go. I gotta go
spend more time there.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
All the restaurants too that have like the best food,
like chill Ambiance, cool little kitchy lamps and art and
Seinfeld playing on the TVs. You know I bought I
bought Amrchat from one of the bars. So Taylor the
tram to get like that. They have street cars. The
stop was right outside our hotel, straight shop, like thirteen

(13:58):
minute walk, then to the arena and then like to
the stadium.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Excuse me.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
And what's cool is like I asked a worker outside,
I go, hey, we're like gate five and six, and
she goes, but you want to see the big Arab beads, right,
and we're like yeah, and so she led us like
they just everyone was in. We got to see the
big puffy beads from I think New Orleans. So that
was really exciting. And then so no line to go

(14:23):
in at all. The seats are incredible. The teens next
to us took such good photos of us. She goes,
I'm gonna use flash and then I was like, I've
never looked better in my life. And then like, I mean,
these teens are incredible, if you know, these two glitter
boat teens fantastic women. And then we are immediately with
like a set of parents from Hawaii. They came from

(14:46):
Hawaii with their daughter and daughter's husband to do this
like show and they ended up being a big part
of our experience there because they got blacked out.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
But oh my god, I love it. Why I was
hoping you would make seat mate friends.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, but it was like she just got blacked out
and just was like come to Hawaii, and it's like
you need to shut the fuck up, Like I don't.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Play around, Like I don't really play around.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
But there was like a dad and daughter next to it,
like everyone was just cute little kids in cosplay.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
There was like a glitter guy with his girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
There was a couple that looked really like upset in
the front of us, But I feel like they got
into a fight. I have no idea fight at eras
come on before or they could just be wet blankets
as people but I was just yea, sucks to be
them anyways. So that we went to walk around, I
mean I was not drinking at all because of the
peace situation. I did get like like I don't really

(15:39):
fuck Oh yes, what happened with that?

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Nothing? I didn't people never went.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Wow. I went twice before the show and once after
the show.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Not that so not even a thing I knew.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
I didn't want to watch Grace okay, but the merch
lines were bananas, and I resigned not to.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Go to it.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I'm like, I have enough bullshit, like I really don't
need this to complete the experience. But then it was like, oh,
I want to get something from my niece. And then oh,
but what about the TTPD shirt?

Speaker 5 (16:08):
You know?

Speaker 4 (16:09):
So then it's like trying to think about the lines along.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
And then as we were exiting the bathroom, they were
reconfiguring the merch lines in a way where we snuck
right into the middle of the line. What some we
only waited a half an hour? Wow, it was like incredible.
I got the shirt I wanted, Like I couldn't believe it.
I got an all beef kosher dog with a little

(16:32):
bottle of water, sat down and it was like I
finished the hot dog as the clock came on, and
like Lady Gaga played.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I mean it was like incredible. Who opened well gra
c Abrams jj Abram's daughter, and I.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Don't know that's who she is, Okay, okay, I've been
hearing about her.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
I Love close to You.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
It's a great song and I heard it while I
was in line to get a hot dog. I'm not
watching jj abrams daughter live out her fantasies, like I
don't care.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
You could be a fan of hers, I will refuse
so like but she plays. Gaga's applause is the last
song before the like the two thirty Cops. So that's
so once that plays, you know it's coming. That's like
her pump up song. And it was just like joyous
from the start. It was so cool. She is a

(17:19):
Disney princess. She looks amazing. I loved singing everything. It
was just awesome. It couldn't have been better. I don't
know what to say. I gotta get by it. Nineteen
eighty nine I would say was the most electric era
in terms of like every I'm getting get together, but JK,
August and Willow rocked my socks off, and then I
facetimes Tommy Max shout out for all two well, the

(17:41):
ten minute version. It is his favorite song. So that
was a thrill, but I didn't want it to end.
It was so cool.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
I love the song.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Okay, So the secret songs, the guitar one, it was
mister Perfectly Fine from Red and I like don't Care
and then better than Revenge from Speaking Out, which I
did like.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
So that was exciting.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
But two of my dream songs were played on different
nights of Toronto, so two songs that were in my
top four were played, just not when I was there.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
And Marishka was at a night of Toronto, I know, well,
I think Sutton from Beverly Hills was there the night
I was there because her post is like the outfit
I also, I mean, I feel psychotic for having these opinions,
but it's like, yeah, I was happy to see the
outfits I saw, like I loved our Midnights, the Midnight's
body suit.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I loved my lover body suit like I liked the
outfits that she chose for us. And then the piano
secret song was State of Grace from Red and Labyrinth,
which I like from midnights, which was fine. Yeah, I
didn't care, you know, I like better than Revenge, and
it was fun and special. But then she like dives

(18:50):
into the fake water and like that's cool and like
fake swims.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Like I liked.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
See, I'm glad I didn't watch the concert movie because
all the visuals were really surprising, and like, oh, all
the backup and also these backup dancers lucky, I mean
barely having to dance, barely a move, like they're obviously talented,
not really, but like if they were doing Beyonce, I
bet they would be tired every night. I kind of
skipping around doing musical theater. It's like, yeah, we're a
nice gath, We're a.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Nice bath after Beyonce, I feel.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, I'm not saying it's not physically taxing and they're
not doing beautiful work, but it is, like, I bet
it's a great gig to have. I loved our Willow
dress like I did like all the outfits she chose
for us.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
I love when she runs the stage for August I
mean that.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
And there was one seat empty in our rows, so
I kind of got I didn't get the aisle, which
I usually love, but I had a little extra.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Room to dance because one person didn't show up. Can
you imagine these tickets are so much?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I just assume it's like a terrible accident. Like that's
where my brain goes. I'm like, oh, I mean why
else or you would try to make you know, cash
or something.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
So I love it. Don't blame respond. It's true.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
All our outfits were good, and then we had like,
you know, my show the next day, good food, and
then that Saturday before a flight, it was like a
full day. I got twelve thousand, I got like between
eight and twelve thousand steps every single day in our
name Whoa.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
It was like awesome.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
And then you got to see all the people still
coming into the hotel. There was still tit playing tailor
and non stop all the stores. Every waitress had all
the bracelets like I gave them to flight attendants, Like
everyone was covered in bracelets all over the city and airport.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
It was pretty fun and that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
And all the TSA people, like everyone knew, They're like,
you're here for the show.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
I mean everyone was.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's kind of like it's truly like a phenomenon, like
the whole thing. It's really cool. I'm glad you got
to go. I'm so glad that it like went off
without a hitch.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
You know, no, in terms of like no line there,
like every anxiety I ever have about concerts did not
happen here, and it felt just so chill. And I
do also wonder if Canada had something to do with
the chillness. Like, yeah, I do feel like people yell
more in America in terms of people that workout venues.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
There's definitely more of a niceness for sure.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
But yeah, little kids in glitter everywhere, just giving them
bracelets like so fucking cute. Yeah, Toronto just like was
awesome and my show is awesome and I got to
throw out bracelets.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Oh you know what else?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I love?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
There are certain songs where she just does like the
bridge and chorus, like she doesn't do the beginning songs
or all the other verses, like she just kind of
does like the part everyone loves to sing and then
move on, got it? Yeah, yes, because there's so many
songs so like bad Blood and Elicit Affairs, she just

(21:38):
kind of does the parts that we want to sing.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, It's like when I went to see Mariah Carrie,
she just did like thirty minutes of like a montage
of all her best songs of like that weren't Christmasy,
and that was like, you know, it was like amazing
giving people what they want, you know, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
And the energy was just select her. And on the
way out, I ordered Domino's. That was way to at
the hotel. When we got back, ready there the tram
was easy, Like it really was just a phenomenal experience.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Wow, it sounds like Toronto maybe is your new Orlando,
you know, maybe you're gonna move there.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, and the Gadbury, the drug stores, you know, all
the little experiences of being in a different country are
fun too.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
That's awesome. Well, I'm glad you had such a good time.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I was obviously following stories and it looked awesome. But
before we get started, just want to shout out this
episode's coming out on December tenth and December twelfth is
the last day that you can order merch from our
store while and get it there in time for Christmas.

(22:50):
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or you'd like to have it by December twenty fifth,
place an order today or tomorrow and get that in.
We have our do you have children detective stuff? We
have some cute stickers left over. We have our Christmas ornament.
It's not too late to get that up on your tree.
And oh I got to ask them to send us one.
I want one, but uh, because we're getting our tree

(23:12):
this week, baby. And yeah, so go to That's messed
Up live dot com or the link in our Instagram
bio that has our shop link. You can also check
out Lisa's going to be in Red Bank on the
nineteenth and I don't know everything else Brooklyn on the twenty.
Oh my god, what a fun little Christmas show.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Then just in life, like you know, I will be
touring next year. I think there's yeah, tons of emails
I have to respond to and confirm a bunch of dates.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
So yeah, so get on there and then yeah, get
and and That's messed Up Live dot Com also has
a link to like Lisa's website that tells you all
the dates and stuff, which it takes to your link
tree which has all your dates. And uh, I'm still
doing my other show called Who's the Bitch If you
guys want to give that a listen as well.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
It's on the Last Podcast Network.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Give me a listen over there, and yeah, I hope
everyone's holiday seasons are going great so far. Let's dive
into today's episode.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Al Right, we are doing smoked Season twelve, episode twenty four.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yeah, you don't really eat smoked things, do you. Uh uh?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Stuff that smoked is really not for me. You know,
it's like even smoked mozzarella. I'm like, nah, I don't
like it.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
All right, well I'm diving in Season twelve, episode twenty
four a finale.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I mean, we're in for a ride a huge, huge
jep A cannon.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, yeah, this would be you know, yeah, nine one
one is in cannon.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
This one just some like high end episodes.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
If you were gonna make like a time capsule of
like SVU episodes like this one would be going in
for sure.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
One hondo.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So it starts with a mom and daughter walking after
getting a prom dress, and the mom is so grateful
to be getting her daughter a good dress and she's
a good girl who's not planning on drinking, and the
mom is very proud of her.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Did you drink a prom? I didn't go to prom?
Oh you didn't, Okay, I drink?

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah? I would have bet my money on that one
for sure.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
So the daughter says, well, I'm proud of you too,
and you're gonna do great next week. And right at
that moment, a man with a hoodie breaks them apart.
The mom does a tug of war with the purse
and then finally lets him have it, but he doesn't
walk away. He walks right up onto her and shoots
her straight in the head and leaves the daughter and
runs off. The girl is obviously upset her mom has

(25:55):
been shot and is bleeding out of a violent killing.
Like it's very so gruesome. Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I don't even really get how they do it because
it goes right up to her head and like then
she goes back and you immediately see the bullet hole,
like it's a it's it was a lot, very nice.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, it's upsetting. Benson and Stabler are on the scene.
They're ducking under caution tape, ready to work. But there's
no sex crimes, so what are they doing here? The
victim's daughter specifically asked for Benson and Stabler to be
called Benson Caesar sitting on the back of the ambulance
and goes, oh my god, that's Jenna Fox. She runs
into Olivia's arms. She's crying and you know he killed

(26:35):
my mom. Stabler says Annette Fox. Her rape trial was
starting next week to the EMT and the girl cries
into Benson's arms, right, you know, up until the credits.
So we're back and we're at the office. Benson's comforting
Jenna in wood room blinds. Stabler is in the outside
glass like damn. You know, we had an open and

(26:57):
shut case until now. And this happened two years ago.
It went to she went to a grand opening of
a salon in Soho. The Ada says, oh Luke ronson
a stylist who thinks he's a rock star. I'm familiar
now this eightya. Who are you a girl?

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Who are you? Sherry West?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
She's played by Francy Swift in five episodes, and she's
not even in the first or second of the Nondescript
nor Memorable Adas. She's in third place of who is
this woman? But she's here, She's here. You do not
know her, Okay, she is just an inanimate kind of woman.

(27:41):
This is so rude. She's a human. But it's just
funny that they had a parade of women that didn't
really work out. And is that when they brought in Barbara, Oh.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
My god, I like don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I just feel like Habit and Novak were just so
good and they weren't really able to crack that energy again.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
With these same women.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
They were definitely trying, and like Jillian Hardwick, like all
these other ones, like it just wasn't was not popping.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, Finn says, yeah, and he's a rapist. And then
so what Ronson did is invites her to the back,
and next thing she knows, she's waking up in a
cab with pain. And if you guys are wondering, like, wow,
is Liza struggling to breathe? I am. My nose is stuffed.
I am struggling. So if I sound underwater, it's how

(28:31):
I feel. Ronson invites her to the back, and next
thing she knows, she's waking up in the cab. There's
pain and the pant and also pain and panties together.
It's very hard to say, but the panties are ripped.
There was GHB in her bloodstream, and they found JHB
at the salon. Him and his trainer claimed they used

(28:51):
GHB in the gym okay, but Finn knows when the
mom hit the stand, the guy would go behind bars.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
But why did the case take two years?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
So basically a lot of diversionary emotions and a lot
of tactics to delay. So it's all very suspicious that
there was like this perse snatch a week before the trial,
but no one buys it. There's two security cameras, but
we do need Jenna, so we're back in woodroom blinds.
She sadly did not see his face, and she's doing
the classic like I should have done this, I should

(29:21):
have done that, And Benson's like, girl, you would have
been dead too, so we need you here and you
did everything right. Stabler goes, hey, like before tonight, did anything? Okay,
that's not the tone. Okay, So Stabler's like, hey, what
up girl?

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Boom boom.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Stabler's like, you know, has anything weird happened before tonight?
And I guess last week she did see someone staring
at her in the dark on a sidewalk in the house. Yeah,
that's fucking crazy. They also were getting a lot of
prank phone call and then she calls him a gutlass
prick and Finn finds proof of eighty seven calls to
the mom's cell thirty six to the landline, all from

(30:09):
the same number. Of course, a disposable phone, but this
phone was bought one block from Luke's salon. So let's
see what this dirt bag has to say for himself.
Benson and Stabler go to harass them at work, and
he is, you know, a big classy hairstylist, straight man vibes.
And I know this man as a fellow or a fellow.

(30:29):
No one here is doing this as a former salon receptionist.
There's always like one super hot straight man stylist and
he's usually got some funky tattoos and a little haircut,
and it's a vibe.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
It's a vibe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
One of Jared's old coworkers who's like beautiful and like
friends with like a lot of famous people. She married
a big male hairstylist like this exact vibe. But I
don't think this guy necessarily has. He's not hot, but like, yes,
you're talking about Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So if Isaac Fromilio Salon, if anyone remembers him and
you listen to this podcast, I want to know where
you're at.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
But I'm curious. I am curious.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Okay, So they obviously screamed really loud for everyone to
hear about the rape trial At the salon, he calls
the rape a misunderstanding. They bring up the murder. He
acts like he has no idea she's dead. He was
having dinner with his publicist, Marriette.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
It's not a name.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
His lawyer yells, don't say another word, Luke as he
waddles his way in. It's Hashi Horowitz, all right, and
he's wearing a Columbo style trench and Stabler says, oh,
here comes the douchebag.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
So they know they have to leave.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
But before they go, Benson says, be careful, ladies, he
might shoot you in the head during your die job.
So we gotta go talk to the publicist. They did
have dinner. She's at a sexy bast skeball shoot for
a client. This woman's in a mini dress dunking. So
that's really cool.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Isn't it. So this is one of those scenes where
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
They set up this whole thing just as background, like
they cast somebody. They set up a full photo shoot
as background, just so the stylist could have something to do.
I mean, they could have met the stylist outside of
her office building.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
But instead they're like a woman a model is dunking
like they like they really spare no no detail or expense.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
NBC Baby, big Bucks, big Bucks. Dinner was done by
seven point thirty, she says, and then he went to
Saint Anne's. He volunteers at the homeless shelter every Tuesday
for the last two years. And Benson's like, oh so
right after he got caught raping, good idea pre girl.
She goes, no, he's a giver. You're wrong about him.

(32:50):
So they go to the homeless shelter, and of course
sister Peg is there. She's obsessed with this guy. He
cuts hair for the homeless and checks for lice and
you know, it makes people feel good about them elves
and ready for job interviews and that he's a good man.
Staber's like, okay, but he is also a rapist, and
Sister Peg is like, you know, all people are accused
and all convicted, YadA YadA, and it's like, fuck off, bitch.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
You know how the system.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Works, and it's like stacked against victims of sex crimes,
So like, don't play these accusation games. But you know
what do I know, but she has to take all
the help she can get, she says. So Stabler wants
to know who he gave cuts to the Tuesday of
the shooting, but she says that he had to leave
a leave abruptly, that he was doing the cuts and

(33:35):
then left. So Stabler has a sly look. Well, who
was his last haircut? And it was someone named Eddie Skinner.
So this guy has long, shaggy hair and is in
the shelter attitude. He goes, you know, I didn't get
a cut, and he says, I didn't want to cut
that day because Luke felt preoccupied and you know, he
wasn't interested, but he and he left in a rush

(33:56):
and ran for the door. But when he grabbed his bag,
he felt like he saw a gun in the bad
and so and an amazing character choice. The guy SIPs
coffee and then spits it all back out into the cup.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
I just like this guy. I have no comment on it.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
I've noticed that too, and I was like, this is funny.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
This guy is good.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
This guy, this actor's name is Michael Raymond James and
he has like only fifty five credits, but like he's
been in like not only only that's a ton.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
That's a ton. But he was.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
He was a big character on OC. There was a
season two of OC. He was like a big boss
of like of I think, like an Armenium crime family
or some kind of crime maybe a Greek crime family.
But he is like the head of it for eight episodes.
He's very scary, but he's also in I don't know,
like tons of other stuff. Once Upon a Time was

(34:46):
a big show. He was on for like thirty five episodes.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Whow So we go to Luke Ronson's house, okay, hairstylas
and the maid doesn't want to let them search, uh,
but it's and she really.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Has his back for some reason.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
But being oh, they find everything they need, a nine
millimeter right next to a box of amo the black
hooded sweatshirt. So back to the salon they go, you know,
drop the scissors. He's acting cocky, but they put handcuffs
on him and scurry him off. The woman in his
chair is like, wait, what about can I reschedule?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
She's like mid die, She's like, who's gonna who's gonna
do my highlights?

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Over his shoulder.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Stabler turns his head and says, in about twenty five years.
So we're in cement room bars. He denies the murder
and Benson is like, yeah, you also denied the rape.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
We hate you. Your word means nothing to us.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
We found the gun in your closet at your home,
but list six prove it's the one that's shot a net.
You're done, and hello, you can't have a gun with
no permit in New York. He says he has a
permit in Arizona. The detectives are like, damn, Arizona gave
a crazy nut like you a gun.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Not surprising. He says, I'm not crazy? Oh really?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Then why has the trial been delayed eighteen times? For
your stress related disorders? So which one is it? Is
it delayed because you're stressed and crazy or are you
chill and lying? He gets stressed and Hashi, you know,
he comes through. He's good as a job. He's shutting
it down, going shut up, Luke. It's getting heated. They're
circling him like two sharks, close to his face, and
Hash is pleading don't say a word. Please, don't say

(36:18):
a word. They're like, tell us what you did? You
lose her? He's stuttering to say something. Hash is screaming
don't say anything. Then the fucking Eightya decides to interrupt
at this moment, and Benson's face is like, bitch, I
will fucking kill you. She is livid. She says Luke
is not their killer, so that sucks. CSI checked the gun.
It's not the right gun, bummer, so it's not the

(36:40):
right hoodie either. There's a different logo, so he gets
to walk again. They have to cut him loose. Sabler
knows something's wrong here because he looked worried when they
had him up against the wall and he's walking out,
back to being cocky real quick, real quick. They get
in a cab and leave, and in that moment, the daughter, Jenna,
sees all this happen. She runs to Benson, like, what
the fuck you're letting him go? He rate my mom

(37:02):
and they're like, you know, he's not the killer, and
Benson's like, we're trying, We're trying. She and Jenna goes, oh,
everything is falling apart. The trial's off. My mom is dead.
We trusted you. She's like, I'm I was supposed to
go to prom. Now I'm burying my mother and Benson goes,
we just any time, and she spins back like, bitch,
it's been two years. I put my faith in you,

(37:24):
and now I have nothing.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
No one.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
She speed walks off at it here and Luke gets
out of the car at his salon. Stabler and Finn
are following him, and it's a full fake out. He
doesn't go back to work. He starts taking a walk.
He walks to the shelter and Finn knows he hasn't
seen him before, so Finn goes, I'll go in there
to spy. He says, hy does Sister Peg, who calls
him Odafin. So just something I caught, Like, I wonder

(37:49):
why she uses the full name.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
No one really does.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
That, Yeah, I think I remember always Sister Peg always
does that. I wonder if that was like a thing
where she may that the actress made the choice, or
like if it's scripted.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, she points maybe that's the tut Maybe that'll
be my svu tattoo otafin Tutuolan's in fine script under
my titty. She points him to Luke, who's talking to
a shaggy hair dude from earlier that like told on
him and they're fighting, arguing intensely. He sends Stabler a

(38:27):
pick and he's like, that's Eddie. That's the guy who
saw the gun in Luke's bag. So Stabler runs to
go inside. Finn walks up to him slowly, but shaggy
Hair throws the table at him immediately, like they know
this is a career criminal, and he starts running out
the door, but Stabler is there to punch him in
the face and arrests his ass. Finn takes Luke with
him and they throw Eddie into cement room bars with Stabler.

(38:50):
Luke is in the other cement room bars with Finn
and he's like, listen, Eddie. Would I knew Eddie was
trouble from the moment I cut his hair. Finn is like, bro,
are you sure you don't want your lawyer? He breathes deep,
I need to tell the truth. He says that he
hired Eddie to harass it that so she wouldn't show up.
He didn't say to kill her. It cuts back to
Eddie saying he didn't kill her. Sailor says, but we

(39:12):
found the phone on you that you used to harass
her quick. I found it in the park quick. Like
this guy really knows how to lie. Luke says he
bought the phone and gave it to Eddie to call her,
harass her, stare at her across the street. That he
paid Eddie five hundred dollars and it would be five
thousand dollars after the trial falls apart. Luke says he

(39:33):
ran out early because Eddie was trying to squeeze him
out for more money and being annoying, and he wanted
to kill her because he was pissed that she yelled
at him and he was just like begging to smoke
the bitch take a drink, and he just really wanted
an intimidation situation, really innocent seeming. So Eddie asks for
his phone call. Stabler comes out of the room and

(39:53):
says Eddie's Eddie is the shooter. Benson's like, I kind
of believe the rapist right now, Sherry, what do you?

Speaker 4 (39:59):
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (40:01):
She thinks we need the gun he used to kill her,
So let's get back to searching. But we can arrest
Eddie on assaulting a police officer and then we could
charge Luke with harassing and intimidating a witness. But she
doesn't want to lock them up together, so they have
time to plot and schemeshit. So Luke's gonna go in
the cage and then Eddie's gonna go and lock up downstairs.
Eddie starts screaming on the phone for someone to get

(40:23):
him out of there. Stabler cuffs him again and carries
him to lock his ass up. They're having a sassy banter.
Eddie says that he wanted to be a cop and
Sabler goes, well, you have to.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Care about people. Lol.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Eddie says, you don't know me, and Sadler's like yeah,
and nothing makes me happier. Benson's on the phone with
Jenna filling her in and how they file the guy
there and they have to find the gun. Central Booking
is here to bring Luke down, So they open the
cage and he walks out to get cuffed and be taken.
Stabler brings him to the van to take him to
Central Booking, but Eddie Skinner's not there. Sabler is like,

(41:00):
what the fuck? The drivers say, we cleared the whole room.
He wasn't there. There's nowhere he could be found. Every
prisoner was accounted for. Sailor's like, who the fuck let
him out? And then the UNI guy's like, oh yeah,
I let him out about an apple hour after you
put him in. Some fed took him. And so they're like,
why would the FBI need this little rat? So, but

(41:22):
it wasn't. It wasn't the FBI. It was at f
I don't know, a haul tobacco firearms. Oh okay. Sailor's
like just like what the fuck. But the guy goes, listen,
I got my orders from one PP, the chief of
Organized Crime Control. So Benson and Sablor and Sherry head

(41:44):
down to bat FE, New York. Uh not to be
confused with the BAFTAs the acting award in England. So
they go to some office. They talk to a special
agent Greer. O, holy shit, it's Pedro Pascal. He is
not the guest. So you guys don't have to think

(42:05):
about that. You know, we have an incredible guest. I'm
very thrilled and young. It is a thrill. It's really
a thrill to see uh, to see him in this
and yeah, it's exciting to He's so much sexier now,
I would say, yeah, more rugged.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
He's like a good old boy here, like a little
haircut tight. I like him.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I like I'm a little older and shaggy. Oh yeah,
I wrote, he's so young and dorky looking, not the
hunk that we know today. But what a career, what
a man. So he denies it, like why would Eddie
be here? Who says he is here? And Benson goes
our eyes and they see him through the window in
the interview room. So why is Greer lying that he's here.

(42:49):
He's like, yeah, he called me and I got him.
It's just a minor assault charge and they're like an
assault on a cop and he's the main suspect and
a murder of a rape victim. And this dude chuckles
and quickly Benson goes, is there something funny here? He
doesn't think Eddie can be a killer. He busted him
three months ago for transporting on tax cigarettes across state
lines and selling them to bodegas. So he flipped him,

(43:11):
and you know he works for him now and there's
a huge operation on cigarettes smugglers. Who cares? Who cares
cares the tobacco? This is where you get fucked with,
Like I don't do a shit. I don't care if
they're fake cigarettes. They're not even fake cigarettes. They're like
playing a tax game.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
They're just buying someplace cheaper and then selling it in
New York for the price and keeping the profits right,
Like you can get a pack of cigarettes in the
South for like eight dollars when they're fifteen dollars in
New York City.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
That's all they're doing. I think.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, yeah, it seems like a lot to waste government
resources on, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So, yeah, this big bus is happening cigarettes. But this
man could have killed a woman in cold blood.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
They say, we're not leaving without him, and he says,
yes you are. Stabler walks in, calls him a dirt back,
and arrests him. Eddie's like, wow, you're fighting over me.
I'm touch Petre is like he is not leaving this
building and they're like, fuck you.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
So they take him.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
We're now at forty four John Street to do the
bus and he's doing it with Sabler in a Newsy's hat.
Eddie's like, they trust me, and Sandler says they're dumb
as hell and fuck the cigarette bus.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
This is a fucking waste of my time. They're really
funny to.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Get it, so, they are really funny, but it is
so wild to me how they just always put Sabler undercover,
even though he has the most cop look of all time,
Like they're always like, oh, let's send him in as
an underground smuggler. It's like he has a cross tattoo
on his arm, he's wearing a Newsy's hat like a
denim jacket.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
He looks like a fucking cop. Like he just is
the most copy cop looking guy.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
And they're like, yeah, don't believe he's gonna smuggle animals
or cigarettes or needs a baby like I don't know,
there's so much, or.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Going to a rave. Yeah, the rave is the ultimate.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
But Eddie is like, well, next time we do this,
maybe I can and wear the hat. So they're walking
through a busted down place and a black Mercedes pulls
in and it's a guy named Phil. He's old, he's
wearing leather, and he goes, who's your friends, and you
know he's so Stabler's playing a guy that owns bodega's
around the city. Well, Eddie says bodega and it's weird.

(45:21):
The Stabler character that he created goes corner stores.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, he says convenience stores because he's being he's trying
to make them sound more respectable. Like he thinks bodega
sounds like to you know, like street or something like that.
And they agree that Eddie is mold that will grow
on you.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And he's like, why would an upstanding businessman like you
do a shady scheme?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Edie?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
He starts talking about taxes, and so Eddie says, listen,
you have a sure thing and he wants in. So
they do a business chat back and forth on a deal,
and he wants to see the product, and they keep
asking questions. There's a muscle type of man. He's like,
what else, princess, and Saber's like, nobody was talking to you.
And Phil goes easy tiny and there are so many

(46:06):
boxes and it's the whole warehouse is full of smokes,
and Saber leaves Eddie behind and goes to look at
the boxes. They keep talking business. It feels like a
full Shark Tank episode. So they're shaking hands and then
we see all these spy iPad computers. The signal isn't working,
so they can't see what's going on in the warehouse,
and Pedro goes, whatever we're charging in and Benson goes,

(46:27):
what the fuck, Like they didn't do the signal yet,
stop you know my friend could be in danger, but
he doesn't care, and he's yeah, He's like, I don't
I don't care. So Benson size they all head in.
Boom boom, boom. They're still doing the business deal. It's
three hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Bam.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
The cops come in, all hands up. Eddie takes the
chance to run and the FBI man runs after him.
Eddie slams him with a pipe. He's bleeding on the ground.
Eddie gets away and then Bloody Boy says, well, we
did the bust, and Saber goes, well, there goes my killer,
and you know, Stabler and Benson or the hospital check
on Pedro. Benson gets a call from Finn as Stabler

(47:04):
approaches him a baby boy. I'm calling Pedro baby boy,
and Pedro is apologizing for going in too fast and
that he's sorry. Stabler's not having it. It doesn't matter
how many times you say sorry. My Ada is gonna
flip out for losing this guy, and he's like, yeah, yeah,
I screwed up.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Let me alone, So Finn.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Finn's messages that the gun wasn't at the homeless shelter
and his sister Peg has not seen Eddie either, so
they're like, you know his ass, where can we find him?
He goes, I don't know, the Bahamas. He's like he
was singing of retiring. They're like, retiring this guy is.
He goes to the homeless shelter. He needs cash? What
do you mean the Bahamas? Stabler gets an idea. His
eyes go wide. They know where he needs to go

(47:46):
get more money. Luke ronson he owns him five grand.
The trial did fall apart. He never paid Eddie all
the money he owed him, and they were right. So
Benson and Stable arrive. We would hear both their voices.
Eddie has a gun to his head and he's trying
to get cash out. Luke is inn a vest. Eddie says, Stabler,
give your car keys and me and the rapists are
going to go for a ride.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
And they're like, are you dumb?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
We're not letting that happen, and he says my way
or his brain hits the wall, and it's like, okay,
well we want him to die anyway, so we don't care.
He keeps screaming, threatening and they're like, we'll kill both
of you. We don't give a shit, and we have
a perfect shot Eddie gets scared, so they arrest him
and the gun he had on him is the right gun.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
It's a match.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
We're in cemet room bars and they're like, you're going
down for murder one, you're going away for life. He says,
I want a deal. I can give you evidence that
he rapes a net and they're like nice. Try, They're like,
she's dead. There's no case because there's no testimony, and
Sherry goes, no, we did a preliminary hearing and Luke's
lawyer did cross examine her, so the testimony can be

(48:47):
read to the jury, but we do need corroboration. And
that's when Eddie says, yep, pop goes the weasel and
the deal will be twenty five years instead of life.
And you know he could get out, so you have
and give us the scoop. It's a good deal, and
he wants even better, and she says final offer, and
they all turn around to leave and he bites.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
So he goes Luke and I went out.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
We made the deal to harass her, and he told
her all the details of the rape, how he drugs her,
got her into the back room, and how sweet it
was and so stable asked, did he ask you to
shoot a net? He goes, no, I smoked that bitch
on my own. So he is a killer and fuck off,
he goes, she had it coming. He's disgusting. They look
at him like the scum he is, and they say

(49:31):
we got a deal and plan to leave, but he says, well,
if you turn it down to murder three, then I
haven't even juice your story where he got the gun
he used to shoot her. So they go to Pedro
Pescal and he's like, what's up and they go, well,
we're not here for a pat on the back, and
they show him the gun. He denies knowing what it is,

(49:52):
and the bosses like, oh, you sure about that, and
finally Pedro has a look of worry on his face.
So they're in cement room bars with Pedro and they
tell him that Eddie says that he got the gun
from you. He's like, wow, you guys are idiots for
believing him, and they say no, you're an idiot for
giving a gun to a known felon. So he keeps
denying it and the boss finally leans down and goes, okay, well,

(50:14):
then tell me how this gun is the missing gun
from short Fuse, which was an undercover plan from last
year in Texas where they gave weapons to Mexican arms smugglers,
hoping to track their movements through certain drug cartels. And
then one gun was used to kill a border patrol agent.
And that's this gun and it was a bad op,
says the boss. Pedro gets loud and bangs on the

(50:35):
table and says it was a good op. Eddie says,
the only way we could figure out how drug runners
were getting their supplies. And then when it all fell apart,
Pedro asked for a transfer up there to Texas. He
scooped up all these guns, scratched off the serial numbers,
and a year later the heat died down and you
got a new job, and you gave it to your
c I Eddie, and Eddie told him he was going

(50:56):
to use it for production. And Benson goes, and who's
the idiot now, He's like, what the NYPD don't have
informants and Sailor raises his voice, Yeah, and we don't
hand over our weapons to them. He says he didn't
know he was gonna use it to kill that woman,
but Benson says, until he did, that's why you let
him clock you at that crowbar because you wanted to
make him and the gun go away. He knows he's

(51:17):
been got. He's a bad guy. He starts to beg
and say how they don't understand, but they do, and
he's just you know, he's just as responsible for a
net steth. His boss takes his gun and his badge
and goes, you're done. Stabler cuffs his ass. He looks
at his boss like you're gonna let them do this,
and he goes yep, and then I'm gonna shake their
hands when they're finished, and his baby Fait, you know,

(51:38):
he's gone.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
It is wild too that he just put his whole
career on the line for like a cigarette bust. It's
not like it's like, oh, I'm saving all these traffic
children or like anything like that. It's like it's cigarettes.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Yeah, yeah. And they put him into the cage.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
At the pre Sainton, Eddie and Luke, you know, it's
a big ass gross party start yelling at each other.
Sister Peg is there talking to Benson and and then
Stabler walks over after he locks them up, So Sister
Peg has even more evidence. She has photos of Annette
and the daughter she found with Eddie's shit and Eddie's
handwriting and has her addresses written down and all the

(52:17):
places she at. We're hoping this gives Jenna some closure.
Then Finn is holding the phone and says, wow, you
can actually tell Jenna in person.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
She's downstairs.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
She's on her way up, so she walks for the
elevator and Olivia meets her, like, hey, girl, I was
just gonna call you. She's like, I heard you found
my mother's killer. And it's Eddie and he's a lifelong criminal.
He sucks. Luke hired him. And she asks them about
Luke and she's happy that his trial's back on. She
asks where they are now, and they're like, honey, you know,
twenty feet away in the cage. She walks in besides

(52:47):
Benson and sees the men in there, and she stares
them down. She heads back to the elevator and she's
a little shaky and like fucked up. Benson walks back
into the office and then we hear bang, bang bang.
We see Jenna like Jenna is holding a gun. She's
shooting in the cage, full gunfire. She shoots the men
in there ten gun shots a minimum but so many

(53:08):
bangs and after the cage, though, she points out, she
shoots sister Peg in the chest.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Sister Peg goes down.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Stabler is behind her and behind a desk holding a
gun and he has to shoot Jenna dead because she
won't stop or drop the gun. So Benson's trying to
help sister Peg. She's in shock. Jenna's crying and deciding
whether to put the gun down or not. But Eddie's
not dead yet, and he calls her a crazy bitch
and then says I should have killed you with your mother.

(53:36):
So she picks the gun up, and right before she
could shoot him again, Stabler shoots her right in the
middle of her stomach. He runs to her kicks the
gun out of her hand. There's blood coming out of
her mouth. A Stabler holds the back of her head
up and she says, I just bought it off the street.
It was easy. She struggles to breathe. She's dead. She
shot a team dead. Benson's mouth is still open, fully

(53:58):
in shock. Stabler is like, damn, I killed a child.
The precinct is in commotion and everyone running around, and
then that's the end.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
It's the last moments of Stabler That's the last we
see of Stabler until he comes back in season like
twenty three as the whatever Return of the Prodigal Sun
or whatever, when he comes back for his spinoff. But like, yeah,
the last thing we see is a Stabler nightmare, him
cradling a teenage girl dead that reminds him of his daughters.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
That's he killed.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah, what a performance, What an episode. It's a goetic.
The cages, the depths of destruction, and yeah, I'm really
interested in what you're gonna be talking about.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Now.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yes, there's a lot I did not know, but here
we go. Let's get into it. So yeah, I did.
Right at the top, I was like, sadly, this episode
is trying to make a statement about gun control. In
twenty eleven and thirteen years later, guns are still an

(55:03):
illness that we have in the United States. But one
of the references that this episode is making, I think,
is to the Nicole Duframe case.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
This happened when I lived in New York City. The
name sounds familiar, but I have no idea what this is.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
I had just moved to New York six months before
this happened in January of two thousand and five. Two
couples were walking home from drinking having a good night.
A bunch of teen muggers like approached them. They'd been
mugging a bunch of people in the area. There were
guys and girls in the group of muggers, and they
started messing with them. They pistol whipped this girl, Nicole's fiance.

(55:37):
Then she got in their faces and she kept saying,
what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Shoot us?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
And she said it twice before Rudy Fleming, who was
like maybe the leader of the pack but he had
a gun, fired a shot into her chest and she
died within minutes in her fiance's arms. And the story
was like everywhere because it was like so tragic, so senseless.
She was kind of trying to stand up for her
friends and for herself, and it's like kind of what
it's what happened to Anette in the episode, essentially like

(56:05):
just give them your purse. Just let them take what
they want, you know, don't start like an altercation. Is
kind of the message that this case and this episode
is probably given. Although in this episode that guy was
gonna kill her anyway, but yeah, yeah, she gave the
pursa Yeah, yeah, they were just trying to steal shit
from them in this one. But yeah, this like this

(56:26):
was in the paper like every day that I would
read about this, like it was a really really big
tragic thing. She was also I think she'd been an actress.
She was like a beautiful white woman. So obviously that
gets very highly publicized. So that was all over the
news when I first moved to New York. But then
and I'm getting to a final crime that this is
based on, but this is also references the ATF gun

(56:49):
walking scandal, which the operation that they call short Views
is referencing the atfeal.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Yes, yes, so gun.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Walking is essentially letting criminals come and buy weapons and
then walk with them, quote unquote like walk away with
the weapons, especially if they're buying them in large quantities,
so that they can get traced back to the criminals
who buy them. So in two thousand and six, the
ATF launched a project called Project gun Runner, and it
was aimed at identifying criminal activity in Mexico and reducing

(57:19):
border violence and drug and gun trafficking. And then there
was Operation Fast and Furious, which was what the ATF
called a bunch of Arizona cases under Project gun runner
and that started in nine.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
So basically they give people guns just to track up.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Well no, like basically, the ATF would encourage these gun dealers.
Like the gun dealers would call the ATF and go, hey,
this like sketchy guy is like trying to buy all
these guns, Like I don't think he like it seems
like a huge quantity for just a guy who's hunting
or whatever, and uh, they would call the ATF and
the ATF would go would say go ahead, go go
along with the sale. And then they would ask them

(57:58):
to sell to these same customers over and over again
and then provide them with serial numbers and information about
the buyers. They would give that all to the ATF.
And at one point they were even trying to GPS
track They were trying to put these GPS trackers on
the actual guns themselves, but like the batteries all died out,
like they didn't have the technology, so.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Like it didn't work.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
And then they thought that they could lead this to
bring them down, to bring them back to like somehow
this would lead them to the big players in these
cartels and they could bring some of these Mexican cartels down.
The whole operation was a hot mess, like it didn't
take down any major players. They lost track of two
thousand guns, including hundreds of AK forty seven type like

(58:40):
semi automatic weapons, and no one told Mexico shit, like
Mexico had no idea this was going on. They weren't
like working with them, like it was bad. So then
in late twenty ten, a Border Patrol agent named Brian
Terry did get killed in Arizona, just like they said
in the episode, except it wasn't Texas. It was Arizona
in real life, near the border allegedly by the articles

(59:01):
I read said illegal aliens, but I mean undocumented people
armed with at least two AK forty seven variant rifles
trafficked by the Fast and the Furious suspects who had
not been arrested by the ATF. So the public was
not told about the link between Terry's murder and Fast
and the Furious, and nothing about the gun walking was
public either, And it wasn't until people came some whistleblowers

(59:25):
came forward. They took it to Congress, and this all
came to light and Charles Grassley, who's like a Republican
senator from Iowa. In early twenty eleven started investigating the
ATFS controversial gun walking practice. Eric Holder was the Attorney
General at that time under Obama and the House. The
House actually held him in contempt, which had never happened before,

(59:49):
like an attorney general had never been held in contempt
of Congress, which Eric Holder got. The Republicans were investigating.
They all thought Obama knew what was happening, and he
was up for reelection in twenty twelve. And then eventually
Obama's administration withdrew an executive privileged claim and turned over
documents relating to the whole controversy. And then when we're

(01:00:10):
when Democrats took over again were re elected in twenty twelve,
like it just they just kind of didn't investigate it
anymore and it was just kind of considered a major flop,
like the whole thing Floppiana.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
So that's the ATF gone walking scandal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
But case I want to get into, because this is
a kind of a this is a crazy This is
like a famous case that I had never heard anything about,
but famous for a certain reason is the case of
Marvin Gabrion So in Cedar Springs, Michigan on August sixth
of nineteen ninety seven, an eighteen year old girl named
Rachel Timmerman was invited to play cards by a family

(01:00:44):
friend named Wayne Davis and a classmate named Mikey Gabrion. Rachel,
at the time had a six week old daughter named Shannon,
So Mike and Wayne go to pick up Rachel along
with Mikey's uncle, Marvin gabrieon the second Immediately why is
there a random uncle hanging out with a bunch of teens,
But en route to the game, Marvin forces the other
two guys out of the car, like when they stop

(01:01:06):
to get beer or something, and then he drives off
with Rachel, takes her to a secluded area and does
sexually assault her.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
The next day, Yeah, fucked up. Fucked up. The next day, August.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Seventh, even though she was very scared, She's like, this
guy's gonna kill me, Like I shouldn't do, I shouldn't say.
She did report the rape to the Nowago County Sheriff's Department,
and Marvin Gabrielle was arrested and charged, and he was
forty four around the time that he was set to
stand trial, which was the following year. In June of
nineteen ninety seven now. In May of nineteen ninety seven,

(01:01:40):
the month before the trial, Rachel calls the police twice
to say that she's afraid for her life, like she's
very scared that he's going to do something to her.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
June third, nineteen ninety seven, two days before the rape
trial is set to start, Rachel leaves the house with
her eleven month old daughter, Shannon. She tells her family
that she's going on a date with a guy she
met at work.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
John.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
She brought Shannon because the guy specifically asked her to
red flag and then her father gets a letter like
the next day, the family's like, that's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Where is she? Her father gets a letter saying, I
met the man in my dreams. I'm eloping and I'm
leaving town.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
A few days later, they get another letter that's postmarked
from Little Rock, Arkansas, and she says, ME and Shannon
are starting a new life in Little Rock and these
letters are in her handwriting. The prosecutor and the judge
in the case also get letters in Rachel's handwriting saying
that I made up the rape accusation.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
I want to drop the charges.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
And her family thought this was all like legit and
no one really looked into it, like she was never
really declared a missing person. A month later, July fifth,
nineteen ninety seven, a pair of turtle hunters I didn't
know people were hunting turtle discovered Rachel's decomposing body floating
in Oxford Lake in the Huron Manistee National Forest, which

(01:02:56):
is a federal government owned forest. She had duct tape,
so she never made it to Arkansas because that's Michigan, right,
So yeah, this is all Michigan. She was never in Arkansas.
She had duct tape over her eyes and her mouth.
Her hands were handcuffed behind her back. Chains were wrapped
around her torso and tied to cinder blocks used to
weigh her down. And I guess like the reason she

(01:03:19):
rose to the top was like bacterial gassing, like when
the body like let's go of all the gases, and
like she rose up to the top even though she
was tied down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
The medical examiner, this is so dark. The medical examiner.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Said that the cause of death was asphyxia by drowning
and that she was alive when she went into the lake.
So he just threw her into the lake and then
the baby Shannon was nowhere to be found. Gabrieon is
obviously the prime suspect. Police went and searched his home.
They found keys that matched the padlock used to secure
her body to the to the chains, as well as

(01:03:51):
concrete blocks that were stained with the same paint as
the ones that were tied to her body and retrieved
from the lake. The nephew, Mikey Gabrieon's to say, hey, like,
what the the Oh my god, the gil like, I know,
like was this note as a creepy uncle?

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Like, well, I'll get into a little bit more of
the guy's backstory.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
The nephew so fun and the lot like this girl
just gets oh my god, this I know, it's horrific.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
It's horrific, and like the baby was she just had
this like little baby and it's so sad. The nephew
took them to this campsite that his uncle used a lot,
and when they were there they found his tent with
bolt cutters, chain duct tape, a woman's hair clip, and
silicon nipples for baby bottles, so he had obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Taken them there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
It also came to light that Gabrieone had a friend,
a handyman named John Weeks, and weeks girlfriend said she
knew gabrieon as Lance, like that was like an alias
he went under. She also said that she had caught
John on the phone talking to a girl named Rachel,
but he told her, oh, I'm just setting her up
on a date with Lance. So Weeks is the guy

(01:04:58):
that Rachel was going on on the date with. Like Rachel,
It's unclear whether she knew they were friends, but she
obviously had no idea that Gabrion was setting this all
up like much in the same way as you know
Luke was setting up Eddie to go fucking harass Annette.
He sends his friend to go take her out on
a date like lure her. Multiple people later, like I think,

(01:05:21):
multiple people testified to seeing Weeks, Gabrion, and Rachel around
Oxford Lake the day after her disappearance. John Weeks was
never seen again, and Gabriel is believed to have been
the last to see him alive in June of nineteen
ninety seven, around the same time that you know Rachel
went missing. Also, Wayne Davis, the family friend who picked

(01:05:42):
Rachel up the night of the rape and was set
to testify in the rape trial, he had gone missing
in February of nineteen ninety seven, so five years later,
in July of two thousand and two, canoeists found his
body in twin Wood Lake, in the same National Forest
where Rachel was found. So gabriel had also lived in
the house of a guy named Robert Allen who had

(01:06:04):
gone missing in nineteen ninety five. But don't worry, Gabrielle
took care of cashing all his Social Security checks and
living in his house until nineteen ninety seven, and then
he got busted on that. So now he is the
prime suspect in the disappearance of Weeks, Alan and Davis,
but he hasn't been charged in any of these murders
or because, I mean with Weeks and Alan they never

(01:06:24):
found a body, and then with Davis they didn't find
his body for five years.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
It might be hard to tie him to it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
But after they found Rachel's body, Gabrielle himself was missing
for two months like they couldn't find him, and then
finally authorities got a tip that he was going to
be cashing a Social Security check in Sherman, New York,
so they busted him at the post office in Sherman,
New York, ROBERTA. Gilligan, who's like a retired special agent
for the FBI, told Oxygen quote, he was very uncooperative.

(01:06:52):
At times, he would try to be charming, but it
was unnerving to be around him. He did seem evil
end quote. Shannon has never been and it is widely
believed that Gabrion killed her. Of course, investigators believe he
used the threat of harming Shannon to get Rachel to
write the letters saying I'm fine, I want to drop
the charges whatever, And allegedly Gabrione told fellow inmates that

(01:07:13):
he killed the baby because he didn't know what else
to do with her. So I don't know if because
of no body they didn't charge him with hers. But
in two thousand and two, Gabrion did go to trial
for Rachel's murder. At trial, his defense attorneys, well maybe
not at this trial, actually at one of his appeals. Eventually,
his defense attorneys try to bring up his tough upbringing,

(01:07:33):
like he grew up in crazy poverty, like he was
the youngest of all these kids, his whole family would
beat up on him, like he was apparently being forced
to box siblings when he was four years old. There
was tons of substance abuse and violence in his home.
He was neglected by his parents. But as a child,
a lot of people testified that he was very intelligent,
and he was very kind. He helped care for elderly relatives,

(01:07:56):
and he also cared for an intellectually disabled cousin that
he had. He had an IQ of one hundred and
twenty one, which one of the articles I read said
is the lower end of various very superior intelligence. But
after he graduated high school, he suffered quote an astonishing
number end quote of brain injuries in up to fourteen
car and motorcycle crashes. And this is where people start

(01:08:20):
to say his personality change, like he became a different person.
He was drinking, Yeah, he was drinking a ton. He
was homeless, He would start bar fights. He had nine
arrests for drunk driving, and after his arrest for the murder,
he started like writing in code that no one could understand.
He wrote letters to his lawyers begged him to stop,

(01:08:42):
but he wrote letters to the judge, to prosecutors, to
the victims family, to the Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh,
who by the way, was dead, to the owner of
the Dallas Mavericks like he was just he heard voices.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
He was trying to take his own life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I mean, like, there's a pretty good case here for
someone that has like a traumatic brain injury at the
very least, if not other mental health issues. And his
defense team tried to highlight the head injuries as a
cause for the violence. And he was prone to violence.
He had a history of assault and sexual assault. And
the jury saw this violent nature firsthand when he punched
one of his own defense attorneys, David Stebbins, in the

(01:09:17):
face in open court. So he also tried to He
attempted to fire his counsel and represent himself, and the
judge denied it. The judge was like, he's been so
disruptive this entire case that if he is allowed to
represent himself, it will only get worse. I mean, his
behavior was wild. He filed a ton of bonkers motions.
He was cursing, he was aggressive. He was convicted, and

(01:09:39):
he was sentenced to death. However, this is interesting, Michigan
abolished the death penalty in eighteen forty six. The United
States versus Gabriel is considered a landmark case for its
use of the death penalty in a non death penalty state.
The reason was Rachel's body was found on federal land.
Remember I mentioned before that this was a government owned forest,

(01:10:01):
a federal land, so it became a federal crime, and
he was tried in federal court, and Gabriel was the
first person in the US to get the death penalty
for a crime committed in a non death penalty state
since the federal death penalty came back was reinstated in
nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
It's so funny I did like a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Paper on the death penalty I in like nineteen ninety,
probably like when I was like an elementary school kid.
And it's probably because this was like in the conversation,
because it was coming back. Like I don't think I
even realized that in nineteen eighty eight the death penalty
came back, or that it had even ever been gone.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
So that's I guess why I'm writing papers about it. Anyway.
He was also the first.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Person to be sentenced to death in the state of
Michigan since nineteen thirty seven. So his defense tried to
argue that it was possible she was killed outside the
park and just disposed of there, but the jury was like, no,
she was killed inside the park. I mean probably because
the emmy said that she was alive when she went
into the water. So if she drowned in that lake,
it's the forensics would bear that out. So he appealed

(01:11:01):
in twenty eleven and the conviction was upheld, but the
sentence was overturned. But then in twenty thirteen, the Sixth
Court Circuit of Appeals overturned the earlier decision and the
death penalty was reinstated. So he sat on death row
at the United States Penitentiary in Terre Haute, Indiana for
a long time, and then eventually he was moved to

(01:11:23):
the US Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Missouri,
and that's where he still is. And he's seventy one
years old, and according to the Death Penalty Information Center,
Gabriel is the only Michigan inmate awaiting the death penalty, And.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
So they might still kill him in Springfield, Missouri.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yes, because it's a US Medical center for federal prisoners.
I wonder if it's somehow got commuted because of mental
health stuff. Like if you I looked him up in
the federal lockup and it still says death, it still
says like death penalty like under him. So it's like
they didn't commute it, but they might be trying to
just kind of kick it down the field until he

(01:12:05):
dies of natural causes because he's been there for dude
that like asked her out on a date. Weeks disappeared.
No one has ever found They never found him. And
I killed him.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
I mean I killed him. He killed the baby, he
killed her because he rapes her. An't no fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Yeah, Like Weeks is probably the inspiration for the Eddie
Skinner character, but Gabrieon is the psycho, whereas I think
that Eddie Skinner is also the psycho. And it's like
they've sort of merged that, you know, like Luke didn't
want to hurt this woman. I don't think he just
wanted her to like not testify. Yeah, but we'll hurt
her more than he already heard her. But yeah, it's wild.

(01:12:49):
I just like I didn't know any of this, like
federal death penalty on federal land and you know, so,
but I wonder if it's like I mean, yeah, I
don't know if they're trying to like anything I could
find that was the most updated was really from like
twenty twenty two, and it was all about how he
was just kind of still awaiting Jath penalty.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
Crazy. Yeah, so that is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Bad on that, but one fucking looneitune and your life
is over. It's so scary, I know, but but I'm
also like, I don't know, it's family dynamics are so
unique and stuff, but like, there's no way in hell
I could just mess it, like write a letter to
my parents being like, hey I eloped, I'm good, peace out,

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Like that just wouldn't really work in my household, I know,
but I know everyone's like different. Yeah, she's like because
we've seen this on SVU where they're like she's in
the Peace Corps and I get a letter once in
a while and I'm like, what, yeah, in what world
is I know?

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
She's in Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
What I think It's like they, well, in one of
the articles I read, it said, well, we didn't like it,
but she's an adult, Like what could we do? And
so because at that point she's nineteen, and I don't know,
it's like the it's like the one, it's like the
what we just did in the tunnel Blind episode where
that girl was just like my mom, I'm going to
New York and like the mom was like, I don't

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like this, but I don't know what I can do
about it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
You're nineteen years old.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
It's crazy. But we do have a great guest to clutch.
It has so long, long time coming. Yeah, don't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Our guest today is actually a friend of ours that
we've been wanting to get on the show forever. She
is an actor who's been featured in shows like Sons
of Anarchy, Lie to Me, United States of Tara. She's
also in horror movies like The Conjuring and Agnes. But
you know where today as the gun wielding teen who
didn't get to go to prom but did get shot

(01:15:03):
by Elliott Stabler Jenna Fox. Guys enjoy our chat with
the lovely Haley McFarland.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Hi, Yeah, Hi, Hi, the time has come. I can't
believe years in the make it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I know we've been at least I have been avoiding
pouncing on you at parties for years to ask you
a million questions about SVU, And now we can finally
do it in a professional capacity, and I'm very excited,
well awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Because not many people can say that they were in,
like Christopher Maloney's final episode and he shot you dead.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
I mean it is like wild.

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
Yeah, it's something that I will brag about two strangers.
Like I'm not like to think about the thing like
the acting stuff that I do that much, but that's one.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
That I will be like, well you murder sister Peg.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
I mean I would say you're like in the top
in the layd like SVU. Historical characters like that are
outside of cast. I mean, like you, you altered the
course of the show because I mean, even though it
was about contrastable stuff like Maloney, like Stabler's character doesn't
come back because.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
I think he's so rocked and he had to kill
a sixteen year old girl, and but I was, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
I wish you know, it was it was poetic because
you got to like cough blood and you know Maloney's arms. Yeah,
but I'm on your side, you know. I like that
you were able to shoot those guys that were in
one cage ready for you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Yeah. How old were you? How old were you here?
I was I was twenty at the time. I think
I just hearded twenty okay, And were you in New York?
La are you a theater kid. What's your journey?

Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
Oh? I well I was a I was like a
musical theater kid in Oklahoma growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Yeah that's what your Wikipedia Wikipedia.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
So that like you got kind of dragged over into
regular acting, but you were a musical theater kid.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
I I always wanted to be and I wanted to
do it all. But yeah, it just happened that a
manager who knew my acting teacher in Oklahoma, a manager
out in LA was like looking for kids, and I
was like on a tape that was sent over to him,
and he liked me, and so I was yeah, I

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started going for kid.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Like how old were you? I? Oh yeah, I was
twelve twelve?

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Yeah it was like uh when I.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
Started, it was like they would fax you the audition sides,
like it was like just before Yeah so.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
You heard that, Like you heard that, like and you
were like gotta get going star.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
We would.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
We would get the call and we'd have to like
unplug that we didn't have like a send, you know,
we'd have to unplug the phone line and then plug
in the thing. It was a big I'd be waiting
next to the fax machine. Like Christmas morning. She Wow,
did you watch SVU like when you booked so, when
you booked this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
Yeah, I had watched. I had watched every season of
it up until that point. I was a big fan.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
I was very excited and when I found out that
it was the final episode, like I didn't like when
I booked it, I realized I realized it was the
final episode of the season and so.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
And I also had maybe seen like were there. I
think there were.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
It's hard to remember so long ago, but I think
there were articles saying that this was his final season.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I don't know, but what we I don't remember at
the time, but what we've heard from other people in
interviews have told us that they didn't know that it
was going to be episode, all the contracting stuff and
then suddenly like he just was there for the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
Yeah, I I well, knowing that it was the season finale,
I knew there had to be something extra crazy that happened.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
So I remember, like, but even the like excited is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Intense, Like I feel like that would haunt me even
just I don't know, it's a it's a haunting shootdown
up top from top to it was.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Yeah, it was a very intense. Every scene was very
very intense. Was Eddie normal in life, that little Yeah,
yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
He was very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
That guy works a ton. I looked up his IMDb.
He's a huge he works all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Can I tell you a very funny story? I don't know. Yeah,
well you tell us everything. We want to know everything.
One of the the other guest actors was he was so.

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
Nice and like enthusiastic, and he had helped another actor
on it with they with an audition. He helped him
tape an audition and I just remember he was so
like pumped about how good this audition was. That he
made the guy like show me the audition and it
was an enthusiasm and like a sweetness that I was like,
is this I mean, twenty year old me was like,

(01:20:17):
is this like the first like thing he has ever done?
Like he's he's just like so happy to be there
and positive and kind. And I look afterwards, I looked
it up and obviously it wasn't he'd been working a
lot for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
But that ended up being Petro Pascal.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
He was my god.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
So he was so positive and like, yeah, I was
just like he seems like new he that's so funny.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
He still had the he still had the energy of
U obviously obviously he still does. It's like an enthusiasm.
Yeah yeah, Apa.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
There's a current interview where they bring up Buffy and
he remembers every single detail and that it helped get
a sad car like he truly like loves all these things.
And I can't believe you were like, yeah, this guy's
a freak and now he's just jaded. Yeah, you were

(01:21:16):
a jaded young twenty year old in the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Biz because he talked he talks about us for you
too in interviews, Like he talked.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
About it fondly, like I think he yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Yeah, he was so.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
I just remember he was so like happy to be
there and happy to like work how hard? Yeah, tell
us how the shooting choreo went. You know, they had
like the.

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
Face like the blank like quarter rounds or whatever. And
I had never shot a gun before, and so they
had me like practice it a few times, like on
the day once they had the firearms men there, and
like I didn't anticipate being as afraid of guns as
I learned I am. On that day, Like every time

(01:21:58):
the guy would come and you know, they had they
like show you like that there's that the front of
the gun is plug and there's nothing in the in
the chamber and whatever. And every time the guy would
come up to like show me that stuff and like
hand it to me and I would like put it
in my in my belt, I would like start crying
because I was just I just really I really don't

(01:22:19):
like him. Yeah, I like they freak me out. And
uh he was very kind and he like looked distressed
every time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
I'd be like okay, like yeah, I would probably feel
the same, like I don't like them. I've never really
I've never shot anything but like a rifle at summer
camp for you know, like I've never and I would
be scared and then you're pointing it at real people
and yeah like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
And you see like the squibs and stuff go off.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Like it was scary.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
Uh oh yeah, I had I like didn't anticipate. I
had like nightmares about it for a little while.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Oh my god, how many times did you do this
the whole shootout?

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Mmmm? I don't no, I can't remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
It was like a full day of she like that
they scheduled it out for a full day because it
was there was so many angles and stuff. It was
my first time having like my only time I think,
having like a squib too, where like it you know,
I get shot and it explodes, and that was I
was nervous about that the first time. I screamed when

(01:23:26):
it happened, which like I don't think happens when you
actually get it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Maybe it does. Yeah, yeah, for sure they didn't. They
didn't put that one in the I watched it back.
They didn't put that take in the in the episode.
And you spit out blood too, mm hmmm, what was
that tasty?

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
It's like usually like a corn syrup kind of kind
of thing. It's never it's like it's viscous in a
way that is not pleasant.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Actually, that's funny that you mentioned corn syrup. I made
my own blood when I went to Joe's Halloween party
right before pandemic when.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
I was a move at homes. So I had a
little viol of blood and I made it very enough. So, yeah,
you guys are a Halloween couple. Yes, I like uh,
I like haunted houses.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
I like going to you know, the like Halloween horror
nights and yeah, not scary farm.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
I went to this year very fun.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
I want to there next year. I heard that's really good.
I've done Halloween horror nites twice, but never not scary,
and I'm excited.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
Yeah, it's it was great. And Joe likes hosting parties
and dressing up. Yes, I like decorating, so I can decorate,
he can, and then once the party starts, I just
kind of become a partygoer and he takes over hosting duty,
which is great.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
You're like, I don't know where ice is, I don't
know how to find more drinks. I'm sorry. Wow, I
would like to dive into the catalog. So I made
a list.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
I went to the IMDb I made and I'll just say,
a show, you're in a lot of like beloved shows,
and then you'll tell.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Us something about it. Okay, all right, I'm gonna Gilmore Girls.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
Gilmore Girls. That was the first TV or film thing
I had ever done out in LA. It was the
first part like part that I've done a couple of
commercials up until then, but it was my favorite show
and it was just like a complete, like surreal dream
to be on it. Like I still I'm one of

(01:25:30):
those people who will like watch it in the fall.
I like, I really enjoy it, but I have to
there's something like the two episodes that I'm in, I
just skip those two because it like messes with my
like dream world.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
So I just like, I just you know, I just
watch it. That's so fun, and I skip those two episodes. Okay,
So yeah, You're like, that takes me out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
It's like when I see an Ectron SVU that's already
played a killer and now they're playing like a lawyer.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
I'm like, this is taking me out of it. So
that oh, you see yourself would take you out. I know,
that's what I'm hoping for. I hope they I hope
they bring me back. Someday. They will bring you back.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Someday they've got I mean, I don't know, though, You're
so this part is so iconic, but I think they will.
It's like it's been literally double as many episodes. It's
like Anothery're on season twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
So Kelly Bishop from we both it's our blind Spot
and neither of us have watched Gilbourg girl.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Yeah, so people will be like, you didn't talk about
it enough and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
So oh yeah, because Kelly Bishop's in an episode where
she gets killed and we we're just like, oh, she's great,
Yeah she does Broadway blah, oh we don't mention Gilmore Girls.
And they went off. They were so mad. So here
we are refilling their Gilmore Girls tank with you. That's
so exciting. And wait, can I say one Sons of Anarchy?

(01:26:48):
I'm a huge I was a huge fan of Sons
of Anarchy. I completely never put it together that you
were Brooke, Like I just I watched that whole I
watched it before I knew Joe or you or anybody,
and so like I didn't, and now I'm like, oh, yes,
you were like rat Boy's girlfriend, right, mm hmm, yeah,

(01:27:08):
how was that?

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
It was?

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
It was very very cool.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
I've I've never That's like maybe the thing that I
get recognized for the most. Really it's it's it has
a lot of people love that show and they're scared,
like no, no, they're usually very cool people to watch.
It's yeah, I I I've only watched the first couple

(01:27:35):
of seasons because it is it gets very violent and
that like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
So violent, Like there are scenes from that show that
I still think about how violent.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
They are are, like haunting.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
Yeah, yeah, I was able to watch the last season
because I had read a lot of the scripts and
so I knew what was going to happen, because usually
it's like the tension of like somebody being and you know,
like and that that's the thing that I that I
can't handle, and so I was able to watch it.
It's it's crazy what people can get it on cable,
can show on TV.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Yeah, yeah, like I was always I mean I watched
it all pretty much after the fact. I like that
it was on or I caught up and then I
caught up with like the last season or something. But
I was like, you know, this is on my computer,
but this feels like too much for cable. But wait,
so what's the story with this show? Lie to me
because that was like a huge series regular. Oh my god,

(01:28:27):
the photo of you with Tim Row, Like, I have
such a crush on him. I am obsessed with him,
and yeah, I would like to know a lot of information.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
Oh he's terrific.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
It was, Yeah, it's the it was like the first
kind of series the only series regular thing I have
I have ever done. I played his daughter on it,
and he is like a human light detector in the show.
I'm his one blind spot. He can't help it lying
or like he can, but like if he can, he

(01:28:57):
like doesn't know how to, you know, I make and
promise that he'll never use his techniques on me or
what it was.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
It was very very I had so much fun with him.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
I Yeah, he and I got along really well, and
like he you know, he basically treated me like his daughter.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
We had We had so much fun.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
He was actually in he just happened to be in
New York, uh, working on something else when I was
doing my episode of SVU, And so we like met
up and hung out when we were there because it
was like around the time I think it light to
me had like ended was around then until we were
still like talking a whole bunch.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
And yeah, we like a little in New York.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Yeah, we like freaked people out a couple of times,
like going to restaurants or whatever, and they'd be like.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
What are what what are you doing here? Are you together?
Like they thought we were actually uh father and daughter
and you were like a teen when you did that one.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
Yeah, I had like maybe I just turned eight. I
was like just about to turn eighteen when I started
doing that. It was like seventeen to nineteen or twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
I kind of want to do a fuck Mary kill
with the guys in the cage.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Oh my god, Pedro, Pascal, the guy Eddy, Eddie, and
then the rapist hair drop.

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
Yeah, he gotta kill Luke. Yeah, you gotta guy now
in a rapist Yeah, number one. What do you think
Mary Page Pascal?

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Yeah? Yeah, And then I guess you just have to
have a romp with Eddie. But it's not Yeah, but
Eddie's cute. He's got a sense of humor. He's just
on the wrong side of the tracks exactly. He's like
the sad track list almost dude we've ever seen honest.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
Yeah, it's like an Ali Kat in a Disney movie
or something. That guy totally well yeah, Pedro selling the
guns to the I mean, what a dynamic episode to
be a part of. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
And you know this is going to I feel incredibly
dumb admitting this, uh, but I watched it back last
night and I never thought about how the episode is
called Smoked and they're doing like cigarette uh illegal cigarettes
uh involved in you know, like they say like I

(01:31:36):
smoked the bitch.

Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
That's like the line. But also they are it's a
cigarette sting.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
I didn't think about it till that they I didn't
think about that either, but that is like, so I
feel like they're always trying to like add little layers and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Stuff and like, well, because this was also the showrunner,
Neil Bear's final episode, you know, he left, and so yeah,
that's like a nice that's fair him on the way out,
I would say, yeah, now.

Speaker 5 (01:32:03):
Now here's something that I believe, Like I believe I
was told on set, or maybe I just read it
after the fact, but it was Neilbhaar's last episode, and
I think somebody told me that he had created the
character of Sister Peg, he had written her first episode.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
We might have to go back and check this. That's
probably true. We could double check.

Speaker 5 (01:32:25):
But yeah, they brought her back after like she hadn't
been on for a few years, and they brought her
back just so he could take her with him because
he was leaving, and he was like, she's mine.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
If I can't have her, no one can. A little freak.
But you might have to look that up and verify
it first.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Well, you're IMDb most current thing scare tactics. What is that? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Yeah, and I saw it on your Insta too. What's up? Yeah,
a close friend of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
They rebooted Scare Tactics and.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
With Monkey Paw uh Jordan Peele's production company, and so
they were.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
You know making it. It's like as.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
I don't know if you had ever watched uh the
old version of it, but it's it's like as silly.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
But they uh like the MTV show.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
Yeah, it was on I think Sci Fi, but they
would like yes where they Yeah, they make you it's
it's a prank show where they make you think you're
like living out like an actual horror movie. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Wait, that's crazy because like it was on the the
early aughts and it was on Sci Fi and and
it was first hosted the first two seasons by Shannon
Doherty r I P. Then a season, then Stephen Baldwin,
then Tracy Morgan. What a wild What a Wild Ride?
And that was you know it's another guy. Yes, wait,

(01:34:01):
so did they scare you? Were you scared?

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Thankfully?

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
I got really.

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
Uh so, my my one of my very best friends,
Mollie her husband Alan uh was the showrunner for like
this new rebook and they were coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
This was like one of the last uh.

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
She is in a few of them. But this for
one of like the last pranks they were doing. They
shot it in in Atlanta. Uh, they were pranking some
they were doing a tie in with WWE wrestlers and so.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
This some of the big ones.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
This, this guy called Cody Rhodes was pranking this group
of wrestlers called the New Day And they they go
in thinking that they're going to be like judges in
a at the beginning of like an amaz race style show,
and so they are just there to like give advice

(01:35:06):
to the contestants, and one by one they were sending
us down and they had you know, some actors go
in and be like normal contestants for the show, and
then I come out and I'm like freak and then
like weird supernatural stuff starts happening and eventually scarcely.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
It was very It was very elaborate and there were
like explosions and stuff. It was very crazy. Wow, what's
going on? Okay? Wait, well before we I want to
ask you what else you have going on?

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
But I just want to know if you have any
other like before we likes, I'd like to hear one.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
Yes, that was that? I thought that was really the only.

Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
The only real interaction I have with him is like
after he's shot me, when I when I have my
admission that I bought it off.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
The st.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Yeah, I love that you. You taught us all a
lesson on your way out. That was nice.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Yeah, Like I thought that was so crazy that it
was like this episode of twenty twelve or eleven and
they're and like they're trying to make a gun control
statement and it's like thirteen years later and absolutely nothing
has changed.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
But you yeah, you also you know that because you
watch the show.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
You know Stabler has teen daughters, so everything, like it
must have just been an absolute mind fuck for this
character to have to like shoot this poor teen girl
who just lost her mom and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:36:35):
But yes, tell us the honestly, really, the only interaction
that I had with him was when we were they
were before they like poured the blood around me and
stuff for the shot. We had kind of like a
brief thing where we were just like I was laying
on the ground and he was kneeling above me, and
we had a nice little conversation about my my I

(01:36:57):
had a pair of Doc Martins that I had bought
kind of recently, and he complimented.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
He asked me where I got them? I got I
got to tell him where I bought my Okay fashion king.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
Yeah, and it like as a person who had watched
every single episode up until that point, it was very
uh obviously I still remember it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
Yeah, oh my god, it was very important to me
that he liked my shoes. Amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Yeah, now you're there, you're the positive Pedro Pascal person.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
Now it's cute. I'll come around full circle.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Yeah, m h.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
Anything you'd like to plug, tell our people to find you,
any sort.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
Of what's coming up. I saw you had some I
MDB stuff that's like in coming out.

Speaker 5 (01:37:45):
But yeah, I have, I've done. I've been very lucky
to have worked a fair amount this year. There are
a couple of things that like, like a TV thing.
I don't know if I'm loud. I signed a competenid
and I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
Know if I'm allowed to about an NDA project. Yeah,
it should be coming out next year.

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
I did a movie called Anywhere, like a little independent
movie that hopefully will go to a festival or come
out next year at some point.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
Joe and I have been doing our silly videos.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
We've been doing a lot of very cute, silly little
videos on Instagram.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
I was watching they were so funny. We have a
lot of fun doing them. And then are you guys
busy eating kit kats or what?

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, try and try and uh weird candies
and stuff. You know, we're getting into like a prime
candy season. You know, we just had Halloween, but now
we're going into Christmas, so there will be a.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
Lot of stuff. I'm sure before you know it. It's easy.
Keep me pretty busy. Yeah, seasonal candies are coming day.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
We have Scare Tactics is on Peacock and I think
the I think there are full episodes on YouTube as well.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
All right, cool, I gotta see this wrestling crossover. Yeah,
in all the world. Very fun.

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
But I did get very scared, uh, I Like as
soon as I got there, I kept asking my friend Molly, like,
the prank isn't actually on me right, like I have
several times because I told Joe if he ever plays
a prank on me, I will break up with like,
no questions asked, will break up with.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Oh, you're like anti prank, I get they I can't
do it. Yeah, I know he knows that he knows
that if he branks you, it's done. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
This is kind of like you know on TikTok, like
the cake wedding smash thing like this. You know, boundaries
follow them.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Wait, speaking of cake, I love the is It Cake
video that you guys do. I was watching that last
night and at the end I was really snorting.

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
Thank you. But yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
Okay, So people can just follow you on Insta and
hear about the future secret projects and watch your videos
with joke was all a very talented comedian, your partner.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
Thank you so much, Thank you. This is great. I mean,
she was incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
It is fun to have a casual chat with someone
you know, you know what I mean who remembers every
single detail and cares about the show and the episode
and everything as much as you do, but more because
they experienced it. So really a thrill. But live on
my phone so you can know when we are recording this.
But Schwartz and Sandy's is closing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
No, as I called, literally almost a year from the day,
like I went there one year ago, like from two
weeks ago before I went to the Mariah Carey concert
and I was like, this place is not long for
this world and it took a year to fizzle.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Yeah, just as Britney's opening a new bar in Weo too. Yeah, truly,
twenty one minutes go, all these posts just went up. Yeah,
so pretty cool. I mean, you'll you've all known this,
but it is it is an exclusive in theory.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Yeah wow, wow, wow you heard it here first guys,
except this comes out in a few days, so you'll
have already heard it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
But okay, great talking to Haley so fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
I love talking to somebody that like loves watching the show,
like talking to Ricky and people.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Yeah that she was on set being like, okay, Pedro
Pescal gets some chill, you lose her, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Relax, act like you've been here. But episode like, oh
my god, it's just in the top, like so much
shit happen.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
She killed. It's like so fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
She like she kills sister, peg Stabler kills her. She
does she even get the other guys like does.

Speaker 4 (01:41:58):
Does she does?

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Because then she really keeps getting him because he goes,
I should have killed you with your mom, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
So she gets so he does, she does kill him. Okay,
he finally gets it. I'm like just wondering if any
and then the other one goes like you crazy bitch,
like they're all still mean to her. It's like, I
don't know, why don't you still be nice to the
person with the gun that's willing to keep shooting, like
you'd be like you look cute, like save yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
I don't know why you're not like buttering her up.
It's so weird to keeping mean, uh yeah, yeah, not me.
I'm not the guy. He's the guy. I don't know,
like do something else.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
So strange all their decision making, but I guess they're
just you know, criminals.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
But you can also kind of see I guess why
Chris Maloney's even though we know behind the scenes that
it was like a contract thing, but you can see
why Stabler was maybe like I gotta get out of
the game. I just killed someone my daughter's age, like, and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
It is like okay, like obviously su is good, Dick
Wolf's fine, everyone's fine. The show kept going, but loved
we meet people that stop watching after Stabler, but it
is just like, yeah, bosses are stupid, like why would
you get rid of our guy? But then we wouldn't
have met Tomorrow and Rollins and all these people like
and crazy. I understand it all and it all works

(01:43:13):
out and they needed him back, but it is just
like embarrassing when talent is not I don't know, and
he's he's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
But I'll say this, it kind of shows how strong
she is Murrisha Harget that she was able to carry
it for another thirteen fourteen seasons after he left, And
I don't know that it could have been the say,
the other way around, Like I don't know if they
had just hired like another QT to be like stablers
under like my partner or something, if Mariushka had moved on,

(01:43:46):
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
So that in a way point because her the opportunity
to flex.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
Yeah, because this happened to me a long time ago
business wise, where I had like two people kind of
split and I think one of was like, oh, everyone's
gonna go with me, and then nobody did. And then
now you realize like, oh, actually like this other one.
Uh yeah, I don't know, it just it is monumental
in the lore and it changed everything. But I was
someone that's like, well, I'm not gonna watch and then
obviously I did mean.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Yeah, no for sure, and I just it's so funny
that we just like see Jenna Fox when we're at
parties sometimes and stuff like it's crazy, like I know
this girl who had such a huge monumental thing like
Stabler shot or she shot sister peg. But I was
trying to think, like I don't know, the HTF gun

(01:44:36):
walking scandal, like what did we learned from that? I mean,
just botched jobs from the cops yet again, or the FEDS.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
I guess these are the FEDS, the FEDS.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
But it's also just like everything's about money. It's about
all these government and business to do is just making
money and everything sucks, and it's they're all going to
be in charge of everything from now on, So get
used to this kind of life. Get used to a
government agency is not working and fucking you over more
publicly less secrets.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
Yeah, and then this.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
That case with Rachel Timmerman so fucking sad, so sad
because like she like I don't know, it's so hard
for women to come forward and like then these kind
of things, people like why don't you go to the cops.
It's like, look what happened to this girl. Look what
happened to this girl? Her rapist killed her and her child,
Like It's just ough, tough, tough case. But I'm glad

(01:45:37):
that he saw justice as so many don't. But he
was a serial murderer, I mean, definitely responsible also for
killing so many other people. I think he just thought
he could just kill everyone involved in this case and
be done with it. But I don't know what we
really learned from it, just that there are so many
monsters out there. I guess Marvin Gabriel as being one

(01:45:59):
of them. And then this fucking new Nicole do Frame case,
which I only touched on like gently. It's like I've
stood up to people in this like I've never stood
up to somebody that had a gun or was trying
to like rob me, But I've like stood up to
people in the city before and been like, hey, like
leave this person alone or whatever. And it's just so
scary to think that, you know, anybody could just whip

(01:46:22):
out a gun and fucking kill you. And again, guns
are the problem, but that could lead us right in
to our what would Sister Peg do?

Speaker 4 (01:46:31):
Today? Are What would Sister Peg Do?

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards
an organization or an article or a book or a movie,
a doc something to give you more info about what
we talked about today, and I wanted to point everybody
to an organization that we have mentioned before, but I
think they do amazing work and their mission bears repeating,
every Town for Gun Safety. Every Town is the largest
gun violence prevention organization in America. They are a grassroots

(01:46:56):
organization that advocates on the government level for gun safety.
They also support candidates that will govern for gun safety.
They empower survivors with their Survivor Network. They measure the impact, scale,
and implications of gun violence and the policies that can
prevent it. So I think they do amazing work and
for more info you can go to everytown dot org.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
Thank you for that, and next week we'll be doing Parents' Nightmare. Okay,
sounds like fun Season sixteen, episode twenty two, you know
Hulu Peacock and again the Christmas ornament or any of
our merch for the Christmas season, be safe, ACAB have fun.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
Yeah, thank you guys, We love you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
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Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
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Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
As always, please see our show notes for sources and
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Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Thank you so much to our senior producer Casey O'Brien
and our associate producer Christina Chamberlain, and to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Our mixer John Bradley and our guest booker Patrick Cottner.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
And to Henry Koperski for our theme song, and Carly
gen Andrews for our artwork.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
Thank you to our executive producers Georgia Hardstart, Karen Kilgarriff,
Daniel Kramer, and everybody at Exactly Right Media.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
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