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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Dundun, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
We're here to talk SVU, crime, celeb guests, chit chat, fun,
We have fun.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
We sure do, and very hardly breaking news. But you
guys know, we're always in a little bit of a
time machine. Iced Tea said, that's messed up on the
last episode of SVU, and it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
We I'm caught up and I did not notice that.
I'm that's pretty humiliating for me. It's just the one
that just aired like last Thursday. I guess he said
that's messed up. He's in a scene. People have sent
some screenshots. I think he's in a scene with the
new girl.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
And he says it, So I maybe is that a
subliminal message to us?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Is it? Because I was checking Peacock and I was
actually flipping out because I didn't have anywe el Smith
last week too and I'm like, I just I missed
the twenty two episode cycle, Like, yeah, I'm just sick
of And I talked to someone else about this and
they said Bob's Burgers will air an episode and then
a month later air another one, like they don't give
a fuck anymore. And I understand they deserve a life,

(01:40):
like they don't have to be grinding out twenty. I
guess this is sixteen episodes this season. I guess it's
a lot, but that's a lot. We're only in March.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Oh, yeah, they'll do twenty probably this season at least. Yeah,
But so I have anything to complain about. Yeah, I
think maybe you're also thinking of the season after the
strike was only like thirteen.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
But I don't think many shows do twenty two anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
But even they're like on an SNL schedule, they'll do
three week off due to week off, like they're just
kind of which, whatever the industry's.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Done, what you need to do, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
But last week we did mention the Luigi original recipe.
And to make matters worse to the motions that his
Pennsylvania lawyer is putting in is that they obtained his DNA,
like unlawfully, but because they gave him snacks and drinks
SVU style, you thirsty you want me to get they
make it seem like it's legal. So I wonder how

(02:39):
the motion is gonna go. But SPU does lots of
things that are illegal. You know, they'll yea homes, they'll
shove a guy, but the motion is to throw it away.
So I wonder if it's because he didn't know what
he was being arrested for or why he would have
eaten and drank. But I think it's because he's innocent. Like,
I don't think he he they didn't tell him what
he was arrested in charged with.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Okay, yeah, well, like it's so crazy. It's like, you
guys have this high, high profile case. If you think
this is the guy and you want to get a
commit you have to do everything so by the fucking book.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, because they didn't not.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
So I was reading a New York magazine article this
weekend and it was about Tish, the police commissioner. You
know about this woman, she's no, it's like Tish from
n YU.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
She comes from all I know, the NYU program, So
it's she's part of that. Wow.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So her families were ten billion dollars and she worked
in sanitatious So this whole article was just about how
like Eric Adams and her might disagree on certain things
and that he's like a criminal. I'm like, how do
they actually work together? But what's interesting that I caught
with this article was she was getting stressed because all
the money and all the stuff that she spent on

(03:53):
the city wasn't working to apprehend him. And I watched
another guy online and be like, so you guys lost
him at like a train or bus terminal by George
Washington Bridge, the most policed place. There's a police station
inside of it, Like there's no footage of him, Like,
how would you guys lose him there? She has surveillance
all over the city, and she realized he was becoming
a folk hero.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
It wasn't looking good.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
She's a billionaire with reach, and a part of me
is just like, I wonder if she didn't give a
fuck that she just knew she had to catch somebody, right,
Because the way this article I wish I had in
front of me was like frame I highlighted, I highlighted,
And it is embarrassing to even be talking about a
police commissioner. I feel like, I'm on, I'm a batman.

(04:38):
I'm like, what am I talking about?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Like I don't even think I knew the police commimenter.
Oh hit, Yes it was Kelly when I lived there. Wow,
so she But it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's like what I always say, if I was a billionaire,
I would never work, and especially not be head of sanitation.
Like that was her dream job. She like cleaned up
the city. She's the one who got rid of all
the rats. That was her big thing. Wow, Okay, go off,
go off. But she's like a dumb bitch, and so's
Eric Adams, and like all these deaths that they've got.
I mean, so they pulled DNA from what they thought
was the suspected water about there was nothing. The surveillance

(05:10):
camera network to should helped build wasn't much use. None
of the facial recognition was working. She found herself at
the possibility of a catastrophic setback for her department. The
killer was already emerging as a folk hero. Who knows
how long she would have to get Like she had
to go do her job, and a part of me
is just like, oh, and then she goes, oh, fuck,

(05:31):
he's better looking than we thought. This is a huge problem.
She goes, and I can't believe we are with him.
I'm so disgusted. We need to bring him back to
New York City and it's like, that's not how police
work works.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
The facial recognition didn't work because the eyebrows are different. Man,
I don't believe. I don't think it's the safe guy.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
And all this technology is going to be used to
catch immigrants, which she says she's against, but they're gonna
It's like, it's really fucked up because Eric Adams basically
promised to help Ice for his charges to be dropped.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
But I'm rambling at this point. Wait, but let me
just say two things before.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
We got two interesting messages that I think I forwarded
both of them too, but maybe I didn't. One of
them was it's actually not bad that they keep delaying
because like it's in his best interest for the defense
to have as much time as possible.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
So that's what somebody said, so it's like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
And then the other thing somebody said was if somebody
if if it's a terrorism case, insurance will not pay out.
So if he is convicted of or whatever of it
being terrorism, his family will not get his life The
victim's family will not get his life insurance policy because it.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Doesn't cover terrorism. Isn't that wild? It is?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
But I don't want him to be charged with terrorism
because it's I know not.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It's just now, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's if the terrorism charges have to do a tiss too.
I just like I don't trust a billionaire in the
city becoming police commissioner and make snow sense. I mean,
do we talk about the group chat?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I mean I can't. I don't know, I can't get
into the grid.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
It's it's we are living in a television show, like
I can't even every day something more cartoonish happens.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I can't even believe it.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
But that everyone's just so okay, like we're just it's
just the going along of these insane things like but
aren't all you right wing military people like into your safety?

Speaker 3 (07:30):
I mean, it's just a cult. This, Yeah, it's a
full cult.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'm I actually found out someone that I really like
went to the inauguration and I looked him and said,
I can't believe he fucking did that. And at least
for a few weeks don't even fucking look at me.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
I go, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Talking to you, and he stayed away from me yesterday,
like I don't. It is shocked. I actually kind of
had fun on stage. People didn't laugh at my joke
about twenty twenty five being crazy, and I go, oh,
do you think you guys think it's great? You guys
want to all come on stage in Heyle Hitler one
at a time, and then I did a whole speech
at the end.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
It was really fun. Oh my god, I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I was like, I was like, would you guys save
me if I got zip tied?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
And they wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
And then I said, people watch the Jews go to
the gas chambers and they gasped, and I'm like, you
are them. I'm like, if you would watch me get
zip tied because I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
It was like a wild I just.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
It's always a shock when I perform for my audience
on the road and then I come back to the city.
It's always just like a little bit of a shock
that first set because it's not people that like are
granting me full like we're down.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
They are more down on the road than in New York. Well, yeah,
because it's people that want to see me. It's my eyes. Yeah,
so it's our girls. It's like people shut her down here.
It's like who knows where people are from? Yeah, they
just popped in to see who was who, who was around. Yeah,
but sometimes people go nuts. But I knew they weren't
going to. But I still did my Luigi Midsia, but
I knew they weren't going to like it. You just

(09:00):
there's certain jokes that are about the world and the crowd.
You know what the crowd is, and I go, oh,
you're a bunch of fascists, got it all right? My
pitch is that your next hour is just a full
Luigi like it's a genre bending stand up special, true
crime documentary combo together.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, I mean absolutely not, but there's definitely a good
there's a good six minute you tack Luigi, but then
you also branch out and you you go off of
it to talk about culture and what's happening today.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I'm sure Bravo can work its way. In Bravo is
a true crime show. Everything has in an SVU with housewives,
yet is like so annoying. I know, it is crazy.
Maybe they like made a deal with Luanne when she
was in the episode Bully that they would never tread
on that ground.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, it's also they're all part of the same fucking network.
You're right, they are. Oh, Barcela is leaving.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I saw the news. I think it's okay. I think
Arcel gave us a good five years of her life,
and I think it's okay.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I just feel like it sucks if she left feeling.
I mean, I'm gonna see her tonight, so yeah, we'll
see I don't I'm gonna I'm gonna talk.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
To her about it. The reunion.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Trailer looks like she walks off and does not come back.
And in terms of like Bo's and Eric on watch
what happens, that's what it seems like.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
That she left, like something went down.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I didn't even know, I think, because also I think
what happened was her one real, real, actual friend, Sutton
decided to just be so thirsty for Kyle and fuck Garsona.
What is Kyle's fucking power over everybody? It is just
a popular girl.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
She's like not cool, it's very cool, but that it's
just what it's. It's it's Barlow and salt Lake. It's
like these women that mistreat everyone would never do the
same things for you that you're doing for them, demand
one hundred percent blind loyalty. See, if you do anything,
you're dead, and they're thirsty for it. It's popular girl.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I really thought this was gonna be the season that
Sutton took Kyle down. But I guess Nope, Kyle has
a spell. No, she's fully sting like Kyle defended me.
Did you guys see that? I mean, it's really embarrassing. Wait,
did I already talk about her fashion show?

Speaker 2 (11:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
All these so Sutton, you know, opens the store.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
She if you don't know, she's a woman that got
an amazing divorce settlement. She gets three hundred thousand dollars
a month in perpetuity. It seems like like I don't know,
she's wealthy and she opened a store, and she has
this fashion show and it's all about her mom being
proud of her and achieving something and making something. And
all these rich women are always like, here's a business,

(11:48):
here's a new business. They don't need to make money, Like,
why are none of them service minded? Like if you
want to make people proud and just waste your money
on whatever, why not like make a school for poor
kids to make clothes. I don't know, Like, yeah, why
not feed people every week and make that your episode?

(12:09):
Like I know she's probably like, I go to galas
and I give more, you know, but yeah, she's like,
I've been able to get am far. I'm on the
ballet gala, whatever board. I just don't get why they
all need a new line of rose. Is it all
tax evasion? Like why is not one of them service minded?
It makes no sense to me to be this wealthy
with nothing to fucking do, and you're like, yep, I

(12:32):
gotta do a fashion show.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
It makes no sense to me. Yeah, if you're talking
about someone like Sutton, you're sixty years old. Your mom
is never gonna be proud of you. She has trauma
and you do too. I don't know what to tell you.
No fashion show is gonna make your mom say I
love you. She's never done it, So why not feed
the poor? You're in California, and I bet that bitch
doesn't vote right. No, I bet not either. But I

(12:56):
think something probably really has a ton to charity. But
I don't think she thinks it's fun to watch that
on the TV show. I think she was like, she's like,
it's a TV show. I want people to see my
fashion and that I'm the fashion girly.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
She wants to brand herself. You know, Yeah, that's what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's just embarrassing and I don't know why it didn't
hit me before this fashion show, but it set me
off where I'm like, I can't believe any of these
women and like none of them are like I'm going
to start it, And the one that don't want was
Bethany and she ended up ended up being kind of
a criminal enterprise too.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Well, that's funny that you mentioned Bethany, because I feel
like most of them are trying to follow the Bethany playbook,
where they're actually not as rich as they as they
as they're co hostars I eed to read.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Who I do.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Believe is a full grifter and this is their opportunity
to launch some kind of multimillion dollar brand like what
Bethany did, and it just hasn't worked out as well.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
At Bethany was like the blueprint for that.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well, what I actually Bethany is doing some business or
some podcasts that's been in my feed, showing me clips
and she goes like the Housewives, does it make a
business or a product?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Go like, it's not guaranteed success.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
And she's like a lot of these women are like
like I think Jenna Lyons thought her eyelashes were gonna
become a Bethany like style, Like no one cares, like
it's not just exposure.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Well did you.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
See like Amy Poehler and Tina Fey having a conversation
on their podcast where she was like, it's just embarrassing
to me when rich people have a side hustle.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Like, but they all do. They all won't stop. It's
insatiable fucking thirst for more and more and more in
the most sickening way. I don't know, it's just it's
just with everything going on, it's just like I don't know,
it grosses me out. Yeah, Sutton is and none of

(14:42):
them want to get a job, and none of them
are ever like, fuck, I'm going through a divorcer. Our
house was foreclosed, Honor, Oh no, I need money. I'm
gonna get a job. They're all like, I'm gonna make
a purse line, and I'm like, you will never get
your return on this purse line, Gretchy, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I just I also.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Don't have an entrepreneur imperial spirit. Yeah, because I think
these people come to them.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I think people come to them and go, we've got this.
This person's going to design all the persons for you.
Just slap your name on it. You'll make a bunch
of money. Like, I think that's what happens, and unfortunately
it doesn't work out a lot of the time. But
and also yeah, I would love to see a little
bit more service on the show. In general, we really
haven't gotten anything since Homeless, not toothless, you know what

(15:29):
I mean, Like, we really haven't gotten a lot of
them supporting. Although I will say I love Bo's wears
a black designer every single time she's on camera.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I didn't know that until I just found that out.
And I love that. I mean she is cool. I
mean chief marketing officer. Who knew would be so into
that job, Like it's cool. Yeah, she's someone with a job. Yeah,
that's a blessing to watch.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I mean, look, Sutton is gross, but she I do
find her fun to watch, Like, I do think she's
a good housewife. But you cannot be the recipient of
a of a huge divorce settlement and then throw around
how rich you are all the time when like, like
the way the thing she said did to read about
like find someone who's wallet match, It's like you're a
gross Like that was a really gross comment.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
I thought that really was like.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Low but well yeah, because well someone wrote they're like
Beverly Hills is failing because you could tell none of
them are actually friends or like each other and anyway
that it's all forced, like there's just no nothing. But
Garsette listen, Garcela made the most of it. She like
revitalized her career in a huge way. So many projects. Yeah,

(16:38):
gotta beach house. Let us know, let us know what
she says tonight when you guys hang out. But she
was hurt at that reunion when they went for her
son and she was like tearing up and no one
had her back, like yeah, I'm sorry the way they
treat her, they do not treat each other. And yeah
yeah even Eric, well Eric go is funny and watch
what happens. But she goes what we both we both

(17:01):
married ugly white men that cheated on us.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
That's what.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Oh I do want to say thank you to wild Gummies,
the guy from Portland. Yes, through big Box, Big Box nice,
nice bullying on the podcast does work?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
It works?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Wait can I I wanted to shout out somebody really quickly.
We are friends with this comedian Louis Kats and his
he's great. He opens for David Tel You're at one
of your fave, my fave like all over the place.
His wife started this business that she came over to
my house and she went through my closet with me,

(17:44):
and it was fucking the best. Like I was like
on a high from this for like I still kind
of am. She basically is like a stylus, like a
wardrobe streamliner, and she'll go through and she's not in
there to like tell you what like a bunch of
new shit to buy. She's there to like help you
put together outfits with like what you already have. And

(18:04):
she thinks like in a way that like I would
never think about how to like put my clothes together,
Like there was stuff I had in my closet that
I haven't touched in forever. She was like, this would
go great with this, And I was like, wait, what,
Like I never would have ever thought about that, And
like I took all these pictures, I have all these
new outfits like little flash cards in my phone.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
It was the best.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And she's not paying me to say this, but I
wanted to shout out her little business. If you live
in the Los Angeles area, she's Angela Cats dot co.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Go check it out. It's so fucking worth it.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
She helped me get rid of a ton of shit
and she helped me, like work so much better with
what I already have.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
And I love her. I mean it's all about that.
Buying new shit's stupid. Yeah, all about repurposing. Yeah, I'm
I didn't buy a new outfit for the premiere tonight. Mmm,
I'm just wearing stuff that's been in my closet. Great, Yes,
that's what life's about now.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, but yeah, Angela Cats fucking she just like really
made me feel great. And now I feel like I
have all these It feels like I went shopping because
I like have, Like I'm wearing all this new shit
in a new way.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well, and it makes packing easier once, Like outfits are
kind of like mixy matchy, and you like everything, it's
just so much easier to pack too.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, Like I had this dress that was like a
short sleeve long, like a knee length dress or whatever,
and she was like, this kind of looks like a
hospital gown on you. But then she was like, open
it up because it was buttoned down. And now I'm
opening it up and I'm wearing it as like an
overlayer with pants on a top, and it looks great.

(19:47):
Like I never would have thought about doing that. I
would have just given the dress away. So it's really
a skill. I'm like not, you know, I like clothes,
but I'm not like necessarily the best at putting outfits together.
And like I feel like I got like an amazing
tutoring set.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
So anyway, I love that he thinks everyone that came
to Nashville, oh, I have so much fun. But in
a wild turn of events, someone came to the show
that I've not seen in seventeen years.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
A high school person. Not high school.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
We like shared a mutual friend and we would go
clubbing together.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
And she was waiting in line to meet me after
with her husband, and I looked and I go, do
I know you? And she goes yeah, and I was
like Rachel, And then it was and we hung out
for hours. And her husband does like special effects for concerts,
like he does the Incubus tour he does the lasers
and fire.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
I'm like, I went to that school.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh my god, did your head explode? Oh my god,
I was there. We got to end.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I guess they're great. So it's just like nice.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
But he was on the road with like Bieber when
Bieber was a teen, Like he almost got ran over
by Bieber on a segway and stuff.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
But it was just really cool. But also what was wild?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
So in the back I just have the TV screen
and all I saw was like two guys in red
hats in the front, and it's Nashville. So I'm like, fuck,
are you fucking kidding me? Like I can't believe this.
I walk out. They're both like the most incredible. It's
it has nothing to do with what I thought, but
it was my fears. One of the guys in the

(21:12):
red hat, full flannel, denim, cowboy boots, like.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
The whole get up, and I go, wow, I love
your ring.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
He goes, oh yeah's husband behind him, my number one fan,
gay quoting stuff like I would say something and he goes,
I bet your dad liked that, like do everything, Like,
oh my god, knew.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Everything gay fun diamond ring.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I was did you say, like did you say, you
guys an attack with the hats?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Why are you trolling me? Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Of course. I had the best time with them. After
I go are you fucking kidding me? I'm like, what
I thought you were gonna do? And now you're a
fucking just like here with your husband knowing all my jokes,
Like perception is so off. Sometimes it was like really
lovely to get checked. It was tough to get like
reminded of everyone's humanity. But if the red hats were

(22:02):
red hat, Like, if he was who I thought he was,
I would.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Have kicked him out. That's amazing. Yeah, vial or not,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Did we talk last week about my drag Race episode
that aired?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
No, I have it. That was the last thing in
my introness. I was like, I know, there's one more thing. Yeah,
you wrote the sketch, Yes.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
The acting challenge, the acting Challenge, the Ross Matthews and
the Ducks. Yeah, that was like so funny because I
was like they were just making such a big deal
about the prostate wants what it wants, and I was like,
oh my gosh, like that's fun that they like love that.
I think I originally wrote the colon wants what it wants.
But then we switched it to prostate. But you know,

(22:46):
I was happy. It was cool because they always change
everything I write, and like there's it always like you know,
you never know how things are going to turn out.
It really, in my mind looked exactly like what came
out like that's how I saw it staged. That's what
I saw the bar looking like, like it was exactly
in my mind what I thought it was going to
look like.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So that was like a surprise. It was a great
episode and they're great girls. How did you working with that?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I was sad that that that challenge sent Lydia Butthole
home because I've been liking Butthole.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Well that's what I was goot to saying.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
If she didn't bring out the scissors, she would have stayed,
I know, because her lip sync was better. I'm sorry,
Like Lana Gerrat has been hanging on by a fucking
thread and like I just can't believe she's in the
top like she was in the top five, I know,
but like Eve, but even this last time where she was,
you know, the fourth time in the bottom.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Her lip sync was better.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah I thought so, but you know, they had the
letter go only Cameron Michael somehow kept losing and made
it to the top three, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Really know how. Yeah, dancing.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Maybe my friend Elliott's obsessed with Cameron's dancing.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
He's like, I just love the way her bottom moves.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Wait, guess who went to Taylor Swift soul cycle with
me yesterday?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Who? Nikki Glazer? Oh yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
And her assistant Emily Who's who's a soul cycler who
like knows what's up? But it was I was exploding,
like I just love bringing people yes, like, and then
next week Caitlin Belue it's gonna be her hundredth ride
or go.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I don't know, I just like to combine all my worlds.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Was just everything that's fun, that's really fun, all right,
Casey did just write.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Out on a notepa I feel today was also really
reminiscent of our old school intros.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I don't know, just really nothing, you know, just chit chat.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yes, but Casey looks a little stressed and he's rubbing
his eyes and showing us a notepad with a thirty
on it, So we gotta we gotta wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
But yeah, shout out to everyone in fucking Nashville. I
really liked everyone. It was really fun.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, and go to that.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
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you to like Lisa's websites for all her new Well.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
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It's a stand up show Petting Zoo where you hold
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Speaker 3 (25:03):
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some money. But let's get started. We got a good
episode for you today or do we.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Okay, we're doing Truth Embargo season twenty five, episode two. Wait,
that's crazy because it came out January twenty fifth, twenty
twenty four, episode two, so it's like, oh, because the strike.
It must have been a strike because they usually premiere
in the fall.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yes, and season episode one was like more Maddie whatever.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, this is part of the Maddie Laurid.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
You know season twenty five had a through story and
so that we're gonna touch on it a little in
this but Kara, what what what?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
What are you gonna say?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Guys, we have the distinct pleasure today to be covering truth.
Embargo the number one worst rated SVU episode on IMDb. Recently,
it has dethroned Intimidation Game, which I always I don't
think is a bad episode.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I think the.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Gamers like took over IMDb and we're like, this isn't
real gaming, and it's like, people that don't watch us
for you really care if it's real. If it's like, well,
let's how the are about to go after original recipe.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Are about to crash that episode the luigiads, Oh my god,
but this.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
One is I was noodling around a little bit on
Reddit and people really fucking hate this episode. So I
am obviously thrilled that we're doing it right now. I like,
I saw it and I was like, yeah, this is
kind of one of the like more recent season episodes
where I don't really like love the story that much,

(26:57):
but whatever, and then I've really thought about it, was.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Like, oh, it's it is quite bad. I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
But I will say what I love about this episode.
A lot of zingers, like a lot of funny lines,
and so we'll, you know, we'll get to celebrate those.
I actually didn't even know any of this, and I
feel like a fool.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
I'm like, what if we're like, I'm loving this.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
So a little upsetting, of course, But we start with
a sexy Marishka, so we're happy doorman building. He opens
the door for her. It's time for fitness. She's going
on a run. Her you know, messy pony tail is perfect,
and she has a shirt with the thumbholes. She's wearing
the Maddie bracelet that she got off that she found
evidence that Maddie was there. You know what, We're not

(27:42):
getting into it. You want to watch it? Did we
Did we not cover the first episode of this? We
did because we had Maddie on. Yeah, tunnel blind. Yeah,
we had a run. Yeah. So yeah, pretty exciting. And
this is a tailor coded episode. You know, she has
this beaded bracelet that says, oh yeah, friendship bracelets.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
But also there's a lot of episodes seasons starting in
like seasons twenty around where Live is in workout gear,
and like the first twenty years of this show, we
did not really ever see her in anything besides you know,
the blazer or like jeans and like a fitted little
scoop neck top or something.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
But like we never saw her in at leisure or anything.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
And then like starting like a few seasons ago, it's
I do think she just told wardrobe like, I just
want sometimes to be super comfortable. Can you just like
put me in like a Lululemon and like let it rock?
Like what do you think?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, I'm trying to think when the exercise started. Well,
like season twenty, Yeah, season twenty, there's an episode where
she shows up at a crime scene and she's like
I was with my trainer, you know, so like, yeah, she's.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Starting to work out a lot more.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I mean she was always well cause because I remember
her doing sprints. I know, I covered one episode where
she starts off with the train or doing sprints.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah. Again, I think a later like a later EP season.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
I know. So they never worked out.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, it was always just like Stabler in a bad mood,
pumping iron. You know, that's like the most workout totally. Yeah,
And I and we always saw Rolin's jogging we always
saw Rollin's jogging, but we never saw Marishka really working out.
But it also I think could be part of like
her storyline of like she's trying to do things for

(29:32):
her spend time like because now she has no more
work life balance, like taking care of yourself. Also, for me,
as someone who had kids a little bit older, I
felt like I need to get back to fucking working
out so that I can keep up with them because
I feel tired as hell all the time with them.
So working out like helps you chase after your kids,
you know. So maybe it's a little bit of Noah

(29:52):
and a little bit of self care.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Who knows, but I think.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
She was probably always keeping fit though because of the job.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Of course, I would imagine that young Olivia Benson would
go to a gym or take a run, but we
just never saw it.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Oh I bet she was a fit. This bitch was
doing step classes. I know it, I know it. I
feel like late nineties Benson was totally doing fuck it.
Do you think she was like doing zoomba and like
all the fatso not.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Zoomba, but definitely step I do.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I s yeah, I used to do that. Way I
could see her doing soul. I could see Olivia doing soul.
Oh yeah in New York City.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Absolutely, yea dark she like herself. Yeah, I was talking
about Soul cycle like I always do, and kind of
selling it and there, like, I guess if there's also
a light show, I go, there is.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, It's that is one of the things I think
about when I'm like, I could go to soul. The
lights are fun. But anyways, she's running and she and
she's haunted.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Okay, there's no dialogue, it's just music, and this bitch
is fast. She is running fast, but she sees an
energy drink truck, the last place Mattie was seen.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
So she runs opens the door.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
The guy's like what the fuck, and she's like flashback,
you know, And this guy looks like lin Manuel Miranda.
It's not though I looked it up and he would
have gotten a bigger part. But for a moment or
two I did look it up. It looked so much
like him. Benson's like, whoops. And now we're at work.
Finn's at work. They're chatting a case. Octavio is spinning
in his chair and Finn is like, it's a you know,

(31:30):
explains that it's a fifteen year old gun. Too many prints.
You know, it's better to have no prince than too
many prints. Benson walks in works chic ready and right
away she's talking about this gun, Mattie's case.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Let's go, let's go, Finn, this is one of my zingers.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
He goes that gun's been passed around more than little
Nikki Kriesi at his baptism, which is like, so does
not roll off the tongue, but ice makes it work.
Ice makes it works. So FBI guys here. She hates
his ass. She goes to her office to meet him.
He looks like a twerp, but we'd love to have

(32:07):
him on the pod. He's been in four episodes. Josh
Cook gives us on eleven episodes of Dexter, which I
can't even I can't have them, but you know, thrilled
to see him. And so then you know, she's like, well,
you're here to take my case. He goes, no, I'm
actually here to help and coordinate. We're going to get
you know, and she's like, oh, of course, state lines,
sex dolls. Of course, yeah, we're going to be involved,

(32:29):
and he goes, yeah, we're going to try to do
federal child porn charges with the Maddie case, we got
to link up with SVU and we're going to link
you up with our child abduction Response team cards. And
she's like shocked at this teamwork. So I bet he's
going to fuck her over. But we cut to hot
lesbian couple in the kitchen and they're talking about their honeymoon.

(32:49):
You know they're planning it, Natalie and Brook. They're going
to an island. One of them hates swimming. You know,
she's scared of sharks, sharts, stays in, stays in a
I bet she's scared of sharks.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Are we all? But it's sharks. It's sharks sharks.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
So they flirt and you know, they're like talking cocktails.
One of them has to go to work. The other
was like, I'm gonna go to the mall and buy
sexy bathing suits. So she has a bunch of one pieces.
I see a bright pink one, I'm into she but
she's trying on a white one and there's like a
metal circles right below the boobs with like ropes going
in and out, and she hears noises, so she goes

(33:32):
out to see what's happening from the dressing room and
she freezes, like fully frozen in this white bathing suit,
and it's a smash and grab tons of people dressed
in black. There's like twenty to thirty of them, all
ransacking the store, grabbing whatever they can. Two guys are
making a video like what's up, you know, TikTok video
of committing crime.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
One young man sees the bathing suit woman.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
She starts to run away, too late, girl, and you know,
we can assume what happens. So sadly, we have velasco
Benson and Finn and they meet up and Finn calls
him money bags.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Because he sees Bruno. Yeah, so he goes, oh, hey,
money bags, how'd you get here fast? He's like, I
had my driver take me. I'm literally so loaded. I
got all of NYPD's money and now I'm trolling them
by still working for them.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
But yeah, masked s looters basically, and a saleswoman got groped,
and so that's who we're here to talk to, those
groped saleswoman. She's like, he tore off my shirt, he
groped me, and he was white, bad skin pimples teen
and so inside, Benson and Finn are with a uniform
cop and they're walking through the store, and of course
Benson she hears faint sobbing, so she enters the employees

(34:41):
only like storage closet. There's a steamer in the corner,
so she finds our victim. She's still in the white
bathing suit. She has blood on her face and she's
huddled in a corner crying. She's really in shock. Natalie
is her name. Benson's like, I got you now, gives
her her jacket. This actress incredible. We call for a bus.
She's really fun up over this and crying, and we

(35:02):
just hit the credits. This isn't this opening scene over
six minutes long? I bet?

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I bet?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Not only is this the lowest rated episode of all time,
this might be the longest intro of all time. Yeah,
wow fully, like a jog set, a lesbian set, a
store set, and then a crime scene.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
It's like four different sets.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
It's a lot of and we met at the precincts
already too. This intro had five locations. This is the
longest cold open of all time for sure.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
So we're back.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
She's in the hospital and Benson's trying to get information.
Last thing she remembers was trying on a bathing suit
in the dressing room. She heard commotion outside. She went
back to look and a man was there. Suspenseful music
plays and she gathers her thoughts. He forced her back
in there, took off her suit, like moved it. She says.
He seemed young. She has tears in her eye. She's like,

(36:00):
he had his mask on. I don't want to talk
to get me Brooke. I want Brooke like, go fuck yourself.
We see Brooks, She's distraught. Finn and Velasco are with her,
and she's like, what the fuck. It was the middle
of a day in a fancy boutique and it's like,
I'm sorry, babe, that looked like an H and M.
That's not a fancy a Zara at best. But maybe
I'm off. Maybe I'm off. It was definitely a department store.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
It was big, so I thought I was thinking maybe
Nordstrom or something. But I did it really clock any
of the clothes? No, you're right, they were like smashing
through the glass. It was more department store, but it
gave them. I want to know where they filmed it.
I am curious. But anyway, but she says fancy boutique.
I mean fancy for who that's subjective to.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's true. They seem rich though, you know. But she's pissed.
She goes, how did this happen? Where are the witnesses?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Like? What happened to the city? Baby? This is New York.
What do you mean when.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Did the cr Like what, yeah, I guess smash and grabs?
You're gonna cover that. I'm a sou Yeah, yeah, Like
I get that's like maybe a newer phenomenon, but in
terms of like things happening in the city, it's kind
of one of it's it's also ye stitch characteristics or
at least stereotypes, you know what I mean. And the

(37:15):
whole thing was it used to be less safe in
the eighties, you know what I mean. So it's like
it's just what part of the city are you living in?
And where did you come from? Nebraska?

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
So she says, are the police trying to prove some
point or something? Of Alesco's like what wait? What what
am I? What am I? What am I missing?

Speaker 3 (37:31):
You know?

Speaker 2 (37:32):
And I'm as lost as he is, and she says
that we still need you. So this is you know,
you know, a cab vibes, and so she scoffs and
she walks off.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
She's pissed.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Benson's on the phone complaining that the press is there
and we need them gone before they start harassing you know,
her victim and Finn again another funny line from Finn,
he goes, wow, twenty twenty four is off to a
rowdy start. Rowdy is only a word so used in
cheerleading or like you know, softball cheers like.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Borrow wd I e lets yet right, like, it's not
for a detective.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
It's not for a seasoned, grizzled detective of decades, but like,
I guess it is a he says, two media cases
in a week. Bruno does have a connect at Major
Case who's been working on the smash and grabs, and
so he's gonna give them access to all the security footage.
So we're watching the footage, and even though Natalie said

(38:28):
she did not see his face in the video, we
see that the guy does take his mask off before
he attacks her. So I wonder what's going down. So
Taru also found the kids recording of you know that
we saw getting recorded and it has eighty thousand views
and one of the guys in the TikTok video looks

(38:48):
like he's one of the guys that pushed Natalie. We
do see him taking off his mask, but all the
footage is from the back, like we do not see
his face, but it's the same guy like hair wise.
So Travis Butler is the guy that posts of the videos,
so we're gonna go get him. But also lol, to
post the video of yourself committing like a giant crime
onto the internet does not make sense to me. But
I like, you're wearing a mask for secrecy, but then

(39:10):
you're posting it online. So they rest his ass and
he does not look like good news. And then Benson says,
I hope the clicks were worth it. And I look
look at my note I wrote, this episode is fire.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Do you see it? Like?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I can't I like love this episode again, I can't
believe it. This episode is fire well in terms of
like like like like.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
We like stuff when it's like campy and there's stuff
we can like make fun of, and there's plenty in
this you know, So this episode is fire.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
He goes, listen, I only took this shirt. Take it
and he takes his shirt off and he goes, we're
done here, like the confidence of this guy.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Bruno and Carisi are there. They laugh at him.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Bruno's like, it's not about what you stole, and then
Carisi goes, but thanks for your admission of guilt. They
say they only care about the rape, and I love that.
He's just like shirtless fully and he's wearing a gold
cross necklace. Bruno shows the video and says, what do
you guys call it a collab like it's funny. He says,
that is not my friend, and they're like, well, he's

(40:16):
a rapist, so tell us who it is. Give us
a name, bitch, and there's tense music. He says, well,
what do I get? And Chreasy goes a deal for
the smash and grab.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Duh.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
He's like, listen, I only met him outside the store
and I didn't see anyone's face without a mask, I
swear to God. And he does have the gold necklace.
But so we're at zero. This guy's not giving us anything.
But Bruno's friend found the kids on discord and I
don't know what that is. And guess what, I didn't
google it. I don't give a fuck, So there, I
know what it is. I know they're chatting, but what Yeah,

(40:46):
it's just like it's just it's chats. Yeah, It's like
it's like online chats.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
But it's funny to me because Discord I thought was
more for like gamers and nerds, like Jared uses it
a lot for his stuff that he does for his gaming.
But like Bitch Sash Bravo podcast that like you, they
have a discord, Like all kinds of places now have
discords for you to just it's like whereas people used
to chat, it's like another place to chat that's not

(41:10):
Instagram comments, I guess, and you can just chat with
other people that like the same thing you do and
talk about you know, episodes or strategies or whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, okay cool, yeah, connected to the youth. Yeah, so whatever,
they monitor the chat. They're doing a raid. We have
all these people, but all these guys are gonna be
out in twenty four hours, right like on bail or whatever.
Benson he's like, fuck, can we get these people on
sex crimes? We need to get someone on a sex crime.
And Creasey goes it seems like you're going crazy. Do
you think it's because of Maddie? And Benson goes shut

(41:40):
the fuck up. I want to find these guys. Finch
ups in and goes, hey, babe, I'll pull an all
nighter if that's what you need, That's what I'm gonna do.
She goes thanks, and then Careesy realizes he's a dumb
piece of shit trying to speak to Benson like that.
So she's gonna put you you're letting these old guys
stay up all night.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
What are you up to?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Careesy stop with her negativity.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
So whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
He's a lawyer now, so they're gonna push it to
the limit and they're going to make this happen.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
So whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
They're like arguing about what to do next, and finally
Benson goes, Okay, you're right, let's make the pool smaller
before we go fishing. So that's kind of exciting. So
let's bring Jenny and Natalie and have the idea mugshot.
Jenny is the store clerk. We just learned her name.
It's Jenny. So anyways, we bring them in and the
store clerk finds her green eyed pimple groper and she
is sure she you know, on the iPad, that is him.

(42:30):
But our girl Natalie doesn't recognize any of them, and
she has like such a fucking attitude, but she you know,
obviously was attacked, so I understand, but she goes, no,
my mind is blank.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I haven't seen this. And then she's like, well, why
were these men arrested for?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
What?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
What are they arrested for? And Bruno goes robbery. I
think you were there. You were there for that, and
and she's like are you sure, and Benson goes, yeah,
we have them on video and then we have them
like they have the items in their possession. Yeah, and
she goes, well, I just want to be sure and
again rude but trauma okay. And then so she goes,

(43:04):
did you get any evidence from the rape kid I had?
And they go no, there's no DNA, but like, are
you sure you didn't see the face? And Bruno goes
because we actually saw the video and he did take
his mask off, and she's like oh, and she's like, well,
I'm not sure if I saw the face, like I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Knock knock, it's our boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Benson goes to meet him, and so pimple Groper's trying
to make a deal and says he can connect him
to their fence and so Benson goes, oh fuck, they
sell all their stuff to one guy. We got to
go find him. So they bring him in and I
guess that's what offence is. So then he's really fun.
He's relaxed. He goes, I'm not stealing, I just resell it,

(43:41):
and then Velasko goes relax Crispy so his name is Crispy,
which lol, And he denies knowing about the rape, and
he's being light and trying to make it silly, and
Finn finally is like, motherfucker's CSUS at your apartment right now,
we have evidence, So do you want to help us
or not?

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Like I don't. What are you?

Speaker 2 (43:59):
What are you playing games for right now? So then
he goes, fine, okay, there's one kid bragging about how
we grab more than just clothes. And then in this
moment we hear commotion. We're like, what's going on. It's
a fucking smash and grab at the NYPD. This is
humiliating to all of them. Holy shit, there's dozens of
people chairs, throwing glasses, breaking tables are being flipped like
you're the NYPD. And then some uniform cop polls are

(44:22):
gun on someone and goes drop the laptop and Benson goes,
lower your weapon, lower your weapon, and she keeps yelling
about some laptop and Benson goes, these are teenagers, and
the uniform cop goes, there's right and wrong, and Benson
stares her down and goes, nobody's getting shot here today.
Do you understand me? And you know, she goes, where's
my backup? But it is crazy, like, yeah, there's right

(44:46):
and wrong, and I guess you should murder someone from
stealing a laptop, but also like the fact that there's
a smash and grab at your office is not on
the first floor of a police station is crazy. This
is where I think the episode falls off.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
The rails, right, how would this even happen? Like, I
just there's cops. Well, I will you what happens.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
So she's on the phone with the chief, the place
is a mess, and the desk sergeant from downstairs is
on suspension.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
I mean maybe.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Fire him, okay, one desk sergeant, I mean, are there not?
It's just so, how do you get suspended as a
desk sergeant.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
I thought I'm tasing people.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
I thought you got suspended for doing something bad in
the field, and then you became the desk sergeant. What
did he do bad at the desk that he got suspended? Well,
he let people in. Yeah, oh oh, he's suspended. I
thought that's why they got in. Okay, See now I'm
so confused. I thought you were saying the reason they
all got in is because the desk sergeant that would
normally have stopped anybody coming in, yeah, had been suspended.

(45:43):
But you're saying he has been suspended because of what
has happened here. Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Still, there's cops.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
And these teens in tase them, like you don't have
to murder them, but you can't someone.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
On the back of the head with the butt of
your gun, Like there's other ways you can, fucking like, like,
you know, disarm people.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
It's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Cariesy walks in and he's like, fuck, it took twenty
minutes to get up here with security in finn again
with a with a nail with a nail.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
I don't know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
NYPD always responds best after it's too late, and I
feel that, but it could have been worse.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
So what is this about? They have eight kids collared.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Travis Butler, the shirtless guy, he's one of them, so
he's just like an attention junkie. He live streamed his
arrests and now at least they have more leverage and
he got one hundred thousand views though, so he is humped.
So Bruno and Crisy, you are threatening him with like
a lot of time or he needs to out the rapist.
And yeah, he doesn't want to talk because it's actually

(46:45):
his friend since fifth grade. He doesn't want to give
him up. And they're like, we know you've known him
for a long time, but he is a rapist. The
guy's getting emotional, but does give up his friend, who's
Jay Watson.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
And now they bring in Jay.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
They basically wired Travis and have all this evident and
they bring him in and he admitted to taking something
that didn't belong to him, which you know, if he
has a good lawyer can play it. And anyway, and
Natalie has a shaky ID. There's also no DNA, so
we need a confession or there needs to be more evidence,
but Natalie is still not being helpful. Benson has to

(47:17):
beg her to help this case. Reassures her nobody will
pressure her either way, just come make an ID, and
Benson's like, if you recognize him, and she's like, what
if I don't, And she's like, then you don't like girl,
I'm on your side. So they bring the guys into
the lineup. She starts to look uncomfortable. She IDs him
immediately she goes number three. She's sure that's him, Like,

(47:37):
that's it, Like there's nothing else. Coreesy still needs more.
He's like, you know, DNA hungry. So something comes to
Benson and he's and she goes, oh my god, the
sticker liner in the bathing suit, the hygienic liner. Where
is it? I'm sure Csu was a dumb man and
didn't know what it was. So suspenseful music plays.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Wait wait, can I just say, do you remember when
you win thisisode first came on you texted me about this. No,
you were like, when this episode was first on, you
texted me You're like, you're gonna die tonight's episode. You
were like you were like the liner, Oh my god,
the hygienic liner.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
And I go what?

Speaker 1 (48:12):
And then I watched the episode, I was like, what
is happening? Like, of course liv knows about the hygienic liner.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
That I wouldn't know one.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I mean, so it's bagged with other evidence, but it
was like probably still in the crowd. Oh maybe it
like came out with the damage and was on the ground.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, it's just like just test it, test it. I
don't get that, but they got for Benson and I
can't believe I texted you and she's on the stand.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Should we make stickers that look like liners? Okay?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Caresy as the liner in an evidence bag and shows
it to the jury slowly, and Benson explains, like what
it is on the stand and how CSU failed to
get it to the lab. But Jay Watson's DNA is
on it, and it came off during the brutal attack,
you know. Objections, objection, And now it's Carter, the defense
attorney's time to play, and he goes to the baby,
said no DNA, and then all of a sudden, you

(49:07):
get to spin it find a sticker after some idea.
He's just playing a fucking game, and the judge is like, okay,
we know that's not true.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Like stop.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
The fiance is staring at the rapist team and Benson
then meets her in the bench in the court in
court hallway. She's not doing good and neither is her fiance.
They're really struggling. She's like, you know, she goes, it's
also not just about the attack. We're aware of the
systemic inequalities that exist in the criminal justice system, and
you know, we just have concerned that he might not

(49:38):
get a fair trial. And Benson's like, I cannot deny
there's a history of racial bias. And then this woman
just say, yeah, how do you do this every day?
And she goes, listen, my priority and focus is on healing, okay,
And now Natalie is on the stands, so that's the priority.
She does ask to go pee first. And now she's
on the stand. I don't know why we had to

(49:59):
see this Pece break, but we saw it. So she's
telling her truth on the stand. She's having a hard
time but getting it all out, but she does not
want to identify him. She's biting her lip. You know,
there's chatter everywhere. The judge calls orders, she's not answering.
The judge does give Cresey a fifteen minute recess, which
seems unlikely. Natalie is frozen. The defense attorney is confused.

(50:20):
Benson is in shock. We're in the hallway and she
is just very affected at how you know, young he looks,
and how the jacket is big on him, and Creasy's like,
I've never had a case go sideways because of tailoring.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
What the fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
And She's like, listen, you know, my parents are a
bit religious and they used to foster children. And her
brother Yves from Cameroon, when he came around twelve, they
were like in a you know, in a store, and
she dared him to steal a pack of gum and
they arrested this child but not her, and he had
to go to Juvie and she and Crisa goes apples
and oranges, this is different and she goes no, like

(50:58):
he had a record and it pushed him down this
awful path and I'm just like against everything, and ben
Sup goes, no, I hate that too, but this guy
did rape you. Like I don't know how to get
this through to you. It is kind of it is
kind of nuts.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Like the premise here is nuts, you know, like we
all believe, like I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I'm I'm the most liberal person ever.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I still don't think we should be saying that anybody that, like,
you know, first of all, yeah, the pack of gum,
Like I'm having a hard time believing that your juvenile
record for petty theft actually like was not like affect like,
I don't know, it probably does affect things that you know,
like as a young child that people are suspicious of

(51:43):
you and like, you know, but it's just such a
different fucking thing someone committed a violent crime against you.
I mean, I think this is where a lot of
people lose this episode. Yeah, I guess it's disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
To rape victims like blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I can't I get the sentiment they were trying to
touch within the culture because it was like, you know,
under I feel like this these were discussions happening in
this time or like it was a thing where it's like,
are you gonna think twice before calling the cops? If
like that call can endanger someone's life. Like, I get

(52:17):
what they were trying to do, but it does seem
hard to not want your rapists put away. But then
she goes into it. She goes, I have money, I
can go to therapy. I'm gonna get better. But if
this teenager goes to prison, he might not be okay. Ever, yeah,
Craasy thinks about it. Natalie cries. She says she doesn't

(52:37):
want that, and she runs off. Benson runs after her.
They meet in the bathroom. She's like, babe, you're doing
the wrong thing for the right reason. Jay Watson is
a criminal. She goes, he's eighteen, he's not anything yet,
and Benson goes, he took a chance to victimize you.
He saw a chance to victimize you, and he took it.
And you know, but she feels guilty, and Benson on

(53:00):
stands and also says, you know, I will stand with
you no matter what decision you make. But he raped
you so violently. And Benson, you know, like Aladdin before
her asks do you trust me? And she's and she's panting.
So Natalie's back on the stand. She points to him.

(53:21):
He looks down in shame. Crisey asks why she couldn't
do it earlier, and she goes. She answers, slowly but confidently,
as a victim of a crime, my decision not to
testify was rooted in a familial trauma that goes beyond
the immediate circumstances of Jay's crime. The defense attorney, of course,
is like, yeah, yeah, you sound noble, but it's bullshit that, like,

(53:41):
you know, you didn't just come up with this. You
had time, you talked to the detective, you talked to
the prosecutor, and now suddenly you have this little answer,
and you know, we know what game he's playing. He
has a job to do, but he's being aggressive and
she is staying calm, and she's like, he did it,
whether I talked to the lead detective or prosecutor or not.
He brings up white guilt and that it shouldn't dictate
if his client is guilty, and she says, I made

(54:03):
a mistake. There are so many people in prison that
don't deserve to be there, and she goes, but how
do you? And he goes, how do you know Jay
Watson is not one of them? And she screams, the
one only thing I'm sure of is that your client
raped me.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
And she screams and points at him.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Jay has a lot of facial expressions and emotions and
he looks deep into her eyes. Knock, knock to Careesy,
it's mister Carter. The client changes mind. He wants a plea,
and Creasy's like, well, I got your ass, Like why
would I be open to a plea? He says, you
can ask him yourself. So Jay walks in head hanging low.
Creasy stands up to meet him. Jay walks up, still

(54:37):
in court clothing and says, that girl, Natalie, I did
what she said. She ain't lying. He really feels bad. Look,
I wrote it again. This is such a good epiff.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
It's in the notes.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
It's in the notes. You love it. You love it.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Lowest on IMDb, highest on Li's dB. I wrote in
two compliments, two times. You were like, I can't get
over how great this is. But I like this part. Listen,
he goes. I took something something I can't give back.
It was supposed to be a robbery. But when I
saw her.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
My whole life, nobody paid attention to anything I did,
not at home, not at school. I always felt kind
of invisible. Why would this be any different? What I
did to Natalie changed her life forever. So I guess
I finally learned my lesson just too late. I guess
that's because you thought you would just get away with it.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
You did it. Is that the invisible part.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
No one pays attention to anything I do, so I
can just do whatever I want, like rape someone I
don't know, I don't know. I guess, yeah, Well, Corisey says,
it's never too late to learn. It might be well,
he said, you'll do time, but not your whole life,
and you still have life ahead of you. Taking responsibility
is only the first step. He's you know, Crisey's gonna

(56:01):
talk to Natalie and see. I'm sure they'll be fine
with it. I hope he does less than ten. Yeah,
what are you thinking.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Ten? He's eighteen, he's eighteen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, because it's a deal, and I think Natalie wants
to be involved in it.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
I don't know what the minimum is.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I wouldn't want like a rapist to not get the
full minimum, but I wonder what this plea would be,
and I wish they added it.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
But in my head, I'm like maybe ten.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah, Christi and Benson walk and talk. He says justice
was done, and Benson goes today and then they talk
about Maddie and then they head in the elevator. They
sigh and that's dick wolf baby.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I just feel like this is such a ham fisted,
like attempt at talking about racial inequalities in the justice system.
Like we've done they've done it in I don't know
about better ways, but like more like we've covered other
episodes where it's like that have more clearly illustrated the
bias and an NYPD and how people get falsely accused

(57:06):
and the full like the Simple Shepherd episode, which we
haven't done yet, Like the Simple Shepherd episode that was
based on Trevon Martin, you know, like they've done other episodes.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
We haven't covered that one yet, so.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I can't remember how well they handle that, But this
one just seems like it Also, it doesn't that feel
a little bit white savior to you too, a little
bit that these ladies are like maybe we just like
won't help with the investigation at all because we're such
good people and we'll just like let this person possibly
do this to another person, you know, like regardless of
like the trauma that this kid has gone through. He

(57:37):
went he was in the middle in the commission of
another crime, he saw a woman standing there in a
bathing suit, helpless and decided to attack her.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Also, if you're in a bathing suit in a dressing
room and you hear fucking smash and grab happing outside,
in what world are you just like not hiding in
a corner, and like why would you come out and
be like, wow, a robbery, Like why why would she
have even come out like that?

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Seemed crazy? But I don't want to victim blame no,
But it's just the thing of being frozen, you know.
It's like one of the responses to trauma. And she
didn't know what to do. But I would have hoped
that I wouldn't leave. But if they entered in, yeah,
I don't know. It's like, well, it's also a cultural thing.

(58:24):
You know, Black people run, White people say what's going on? Oh,
kind of the stereotype.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Well there is like fight or flight things also like
what like people are just different. Also, like my sister
and I one time saw this guy, a huge group
of people gathered around a guy fighting with a homeless person,
and I got involved and my sister was down the block.
Like by the time I even looked looked up, like
I was like.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
What are you doing? Leave him alone?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
And my sister was like at Dwayne read she was
like she just like is like I'm not here for that,
Like she cannot be in confrontation, you know. So I
don't know, but I hear what you're saying, Like it
is culturally different in a lot of ways too. But
if I'm in a bathing suit, I don't know, I'm
at least getting out of the bathing suit if I
hear the glass smashing.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
But a wild recap.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Thank you for taking us through it and it being
your favorite episode. I mean, I think honestly, I can't
wait to see what episode on SATs this one because
it's the number one three.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
But it's funny because Intimidation Game was that yeah, was
at four point six. Whoa and then Truth Embargo is
at four point four out of ten.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Wow are the ratings.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Let's get into the crime portion of the program. There
is not like an exact crime like this, like like this,
I'm gonna talk about smashing grabs, but like there was
not a sexual assault that happened during one that is

(59:56):
that has been reported. So yeah, and I will say
this is all so the first time I've used a
Deadline article as a source in when I've.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Been doing my work. But this episode is based.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
On the trend of flash robberies or flash robs they're
calling them, that rocked Southern California in the summer of
twenty twenty three aka flash mob Summer as one of
the one of the articles I read called it. Group
robberies have like always been an issue in southern California,
and most of the time it's like high school teen
boys like swarming a convenience store and like grabbing a

(01:00:27):
bunch of shit at seven eleven. You know, like that's
mostly what the cops have been dealing with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I know, in my head, it seemed like, especially in Chicago,
it seemed like all the Blue Lives Matter, like conservative
type people were all like the smash and grubs, you know,
it seemed like not a maybe it was happening, but
not as much. And then they just had all these
cops swarm downtown Chicago and all these stores and like,
so to me, I was hearing about it, but it

(01:00:54):
wasn't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Was absolutely politicized. Okay, you're correct, it was absolutely politicized,
and I will get into that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
But I thought the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I went, these aren't really happening, and they were happening
in the city I lived in, so there I remember
hearing about these and thinking, but hearing specifically people say, oh,
the right is elevating these like they do that illegal
immigrants are killing people all the time, when it's actually

(01:01:24):
many like the majority of murders are committed by American citizens,
you know what I mean. Like this was like another
little passion issue for the right to be like the
smash and grabs. But let me get into what was
happening first and then we'll get into the politics of it.
So the flash robs are much more coordinated and organized
than these like seven eleventeen swarm things. Okay, So in

(01:01:47):
twenty twenty three, the Nordstrom at the Tapanga Mall, the
eve S Saint Laurent at the Americana and the Glendale
which is my mall that I go to, and a
pop up Gucci at South Coast Plaza were all targets.
There were dozens of smash and grab robberies like this
that took place where basically a group of thieves ten
to forty people would enter the store, faces covered usually

(01:02:07):
all black, and then grab a ton of expensive items
and bolt and like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
The goal was obviously to overwhelm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Security and then they would sell the items online or
fence them. And now employees are trained really not to
engage or stop the robberies. I also heard something recently
which I don't know if it's true or not. I
don't know if you've heard this that if you steal
something anything in like a Target, a Walmart, a big
box store that's under seven hundred dollars, like security is

(01:02:35):
not going to fuck with you, like they're just they've
been told to like not engage and get like and
have altercations happen because it's just built into what the
big box stores are like losing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Every year in there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I also heard that like it's illegal to confront, not illegal,
but a lot of us won't even confirm they won't
confront people. Then you hear about people getting arrested and stuff,
but like, yeah, you're supposed to just let people go
because it's worse, I think, to accuse someone and then
they haven't stolen something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah, but it's like if someone goes in and gets
like a four hundred dollars flat screen, can you just
like walk out with that? Like I don't know, it's
so like yeah, but this might also be bullshit, Like
this one article I'm seeing now says it's actually nine
to fifty. I said seven hundred dollars, like under seiling
merchandise under nine to fifty is just a misdemeanor, and
that there was also this thing called Prop. Forty seven

(01:03:28):
that passed in California to reclassify felony thefts as misdemeanors,
but it did not allow shoplifting and petty theft to
go unprosecuted.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
But that I'm not really talking about prosecution.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I'm talking about like the stores basically telling their security
people who often don't carry weapons or have really any
kind of authority besides a vest that says security. I
think they're mostly telling them don't don't go after like
just leave it or whatever. So I don't know, I
don't know if anyone has any firsthand experience that that
if their job telling them that, let us know. So
these thieves would be like in and out in minute,

(01:04:00):
and they would use multiple getaway cars, so the police
could never get there fast enough and they could never
like follow the like the right car, or like know
where they were going. A lot of the getaway cars
were rented under fake names or something called cold plating.
I didn't know that was called when you put on
like a stolen license plate. And we did have a
license plate stolen off our car in twenty nineteen, and
I went to the police and made a report about it.

(01:04:22):
Because I was nervous that someone was going to use
our license plate in a crime. So I was like
I just need I like brought rosy in in a
baby carrier. It was like I need to fill out
a report about my missing license plate. So anyway, because
they were having a hard time simply getting there on
time and even chasing anyone, law enforcement ended up focusing
more on cell phone tower pings and other tech tools

(01:04:44):
to narrow down suspects. And the crazy thing about these
crimes is that the perpetrators don't always know one another.
It's truly kind of like a flash mob, like where
they're like be here at this time, you know, on discord,
yeah maybe yeah, Like maybe they're Discord. They're on like,
they're probably on signal, they're on like encrypted apps maybe WhatsApp,
like and they're communicating over social and seeing like you know,

(01:05:08):
here's the plan. But they're not necessarily all childhood friends
like the guys in this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
As of early.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
December of twenty twenty three, police in LA were investigating
as many as twenty one flash robs, as they called them,
and plenty others were going on in neighboring counties. So
this is just in La County, and there's plenty going
on in other counties. The two biggest heights were at
the maholes I visit the most, the Americana in Glendale
on August eighth, where they stole three one hundred thousand

(01:05:36):
dollars of merchandise, and the Tapanga Mall in Canoga Park,
where my accountant is on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
They charge them all for that four hundred thousand or
just what each of them is found with or do
they not find anybody?

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
I don't even know. I don't even know how much?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Is that like how robberies are prosecuted based on the
amount of money of something something's worth?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Like I don't know, I have no idea. I know,
I act like I know stuff, and then I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Yeah, I'm sure we have so many like lawyers and stuff,
but I guess it's like, yeah, do you get the same.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
I mean, there's obviously petty theft a pack of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Gum, as we discussed, But then there's if I go
into a mall and I steal fifty thousand dollars worth
of purses or I steal two hundred thousand dollars worth
of purses. Is there a difference based on the amount
of money and like number of things. I don't know,
like that's it's also yeah, it's like value is who
fucking knows. So at the Tapanga Mall in Kenoka Park

(01:06:34):
on August twelfth, it was one hundred k worth of merch.
But because these crimes often take place at big, busy malls,
there's also tons of video footage of them, which spreads
on TikTok and Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
There's like lots of photos of these people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
There's there's security cam, there's people that just like put
up their.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Phones and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Again, nothing in the real life cases shows that the
guys were ever like videotaping themselves. I don't think that
they were trying to get social media famous like the
guy in the episode. But I think they are literally
just trying to sell the shit and make money. So
on August seventeenth, in La of twenty twenty three, a
task force was formed between the city and the county
Law Enforcement twenty two full time officers from around LA

(01:07:12):
County who could be resources of the local and county level,
as well as California Highway Patrols retail theft Unit. We're
all working together to try to find these guys now.
The district attorney in Orange County, Todd Spitzer, which Orange
County I guess in some recent election went blue, but
I would say is mostly a more red area. Todd

(01:07:35):
Spitzer tried to turn this political. He accused Karen Bass,
the mayor of la and George Gascon, who is our
district attorney, for being too soft on crime. And you know,
Gascon just got voted out because of all the narratives
that he's too soft on crime. Spitzer said he would
quote thoroughly investigate and prosecute smash and grab to the
fullest extents of the law, which apparently for him, included

(01:07:57):
life sentences for six defendants used of holding customers and
employees at gunpoint while stealing more than eighty seven thousand
in jewelry from the Jewelry Exchange in Tustin in April
of twenty twenty two, the year before this was all
going on. So life sentence, A life sentence, is what
I'm saying. I mean, that's where it's like again, like

(01:08:18):
I kind of agree with liv It's like, sure, the
guy has the laptop, let's not kill a teenager.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
He shouldn't have a laptop.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I think it's different when we're talking about I don't
want to kill a guy that's a rapist either, but
I do want to prosecute a guy that's a rapist,
you know what I mean, Like I don't want anyone
to get murdered for Like that's why Jared and I
always have this conversation where like, yeah, if someone enters
our house to take our flat screen, it's like take it,
Like I'm not going to defend for my property. I
don't it's property, like I don't care, you know, Like,
so help me carry it out, Yeah, like you yeah,

(01:08:46):
I could get I'll get another one. If this is
gonna make it faster, let me open up your trunk. So,
two weeks after the formation of the task force, they
had arrested fifteen people.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Like that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
These people always get caught, Like they always figure out
who they are. Five suspects in the Eaves Sant Laurent
case were arrested, according to Glendale Police, and some of
the robbers, Like when you look at some of the robberies,
some of the robbers just like literally have their sweatshirts
pulled up over their mouths, like they're not even they
didn't even invest in a mask when they came to
this thing. So it's like they're these these are not

(01:09:18):
always like mastermind criminals, you know. And I do kind
of think there's a reason people are risking their lot,
like their freedom to do this. Guy, Like people are desperate,
you know, like for to do these kind of robberies,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
And even though enough.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Of these, okay, So my thing is even after enough
of these happened that SVU had time to script, make
and release an episode about it. This episode came out
in January of twenty twenty four. In October of twenty
twenty four, ten months later, there's another huge one at
the Westfield to Panga Mall in Kunoga Park, where there

(01:09:55):
has already been a heist in the summer of twenty
twenty three, twelve suspects hit two retailers, stealing about nine
hundred thousand worth of stuff, and six people for adults
and two juveniles were arrested in connection with the robbery,
and the articles I read they were still looking for
the other six. The four adults were twenty six, twenty two, nineteen,
and eighteen, so the two others were literally probably sixteen

(01:10:18):
and ste like kids, and according to this is just
a little bit of statistic about the national you know,
the National Retail Security Survey says that shoplifting, theft, and
organized retail crime cost businesses ninety four and a half
billion dollars nationwide in twenty twenty one, and that organized
retail crime such as flash robberies account for about half

(01:10:41):
of that, So you know, that's forty seven billion dollars.
Retailers are upping their tech solutions.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
They're getting better.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Video surveillance systems, facial recognition cameras, license plate readers, radio
frequency identification tags, case locks, and they're also training their
staff and doing increased security. But they're also pushing legislation
to make increase theft penalties and making sharing information against
law enforcement agencies easier. Like I I don't care. Yeah,

(01:11:13):
like I really don't. I'm like, I wouldn't even increase
the theft penalties. You're always catching them, and there's honestly,
I yes, I don't want anyone to be held by gunpoint,
but in almost all of these cases, I don't see
any physical crime, Like I don't think anyone's being hurt
physically psychologically. Of course, it's scary to be there when
people are holding guns and robbing a store, of course,
but like they're not shooting people, they're not trying to

(01:11:35):
kill people. They're literally just trying to grab shit and
go wow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
And I don't care about business money because at the
end of the day, these businesses aren't spending money in
the way I like it. They're not like giving maternity
leave to people. They're not paying for people's health insurance.
They're not there's no there's no benefits. So it's like,
I don't care if you lose a ninety something million dollars,
Why the fuck would I care?

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yeah, Like Walmart has like doesn't pay enough to or
it has like the most employees on food stamps and
stuff like that, and government assistant because they don't give
them benefits.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Like yeah, and I'm supposed to care that you're that
people are stealing from you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
They do. They do deserve to steal from you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
And if maybe you guys weren't all so fucking evil,
we wouldn't want to steal from you. Maybe if everyone
had an affordable way to live, you know, but go
fuck yourself. Yeah, happy, I told you, little Esther gave
me a fake Louis Vuitton Marikami.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I've been seeing that in the pictures and I wasn't
sure if it was real or not, and I didn't
get a chance to act.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
But it's a really good fake. I basically walked into
I can't wait and tell you this. So like I
went to go meet her baby and I walk in
and it's hanging right at the door. You know, I've
been talking about this Marikami forever. And I go, oh
my god, I can't believe you fucking have I mean,
we went to high school together, we have like the
same stock, like we both like our tiffany, we like

(01:12:53):
our hugs, like we're very that. And so I was like,
I can't believe it. And she goes, that's been waiting
for you. She goes, I've been wanting to give this
to you. And I go, are you fucking kidding me?
And she goes, it's fake. I go, I don't care,
and it's given me so much joy, Like I it's
the pattern. I like, like, I really don't and I'm
glad I didn't spend three thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
It's almost.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Yeah, And I love telling comics who have no idea
about this I'm like they're Olivia Benson where they're like, well,
how much is the real one?

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
I go three thousand dollars. They're like, oh my god,
I go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
So our friend Jared, he's a pro.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
He said that like the zipper extension is white on mine,
and the real one it's beige, and the bottom might
be different, but like, I don't think anyone cares. And
I've been getting compliments everywhere and it makes me feel alive,
Like I just love having.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
It so much. I don't know why I brought it up.
Oh because I'm aunt. I love. Yeah, so a thing that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Like like they're basically flying in sweatshop employees to Paris
and so they could still write that it's made in France,
but they are still they're using like bad labor, like
still treating people like shit and that like they've been
doing tests and the material, like obviously there's an up

(01:14:06):
church for the brand, but you expect some sort of
like I went to the store Selene and was looking
at their bags and it was like really really beautifully
made and like cool, but I don't know, like fuck consumerism,
fuck luxury. I'm glad I didn't spend thousands but I
do love the way it looks. Yeah, and I'm like
skipping around down. I've been wearing it every day every time,

(01:14:27):
and then you paid nothing for it. That's the best.
But yeah, hearing about how it's not actually good quality
and the quality has gone down, and just watching white
Lotus and the government, well, because I guess there's like
a video of some creator being like, uh, everyone I
know is getting rid of their SOHO house memberships, Like
what is going on? And the people are commenting, Yeah,

(01:14:48):
what do you think is going on? I don't know
what's going on. Huh. Maybe people don't have thousands of
dollars to spend anymore on like a clubhouse, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Yeah, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I've wanted this bag for forever, and truly I'm here
to say having the fake one has given me the
same amount of joy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
I can't. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
And I don't feel as stressed because yeah, like I
think because it's white, I would be very very stressed
if it Israel.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Yes, yeah, like if anything, like if any anything you use, like,
if anything happens.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
To it, that's stressful. If it's worth that much money,
you know, yeah, you could buy a full you can
truly for three thousand dollars goes to an inclusive resort
in Mexico for what like a week?

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Yeah, oh my god, yeah for three you could do
a lot with three thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yeah, you why I have multi carrot diamonds, Like I'm
not buying a purse. Yeah, but God bless you if
that's your thing and that makes you happy and it
makes you feel excited. I did buy a necklace to
go and watch What Happens live, like I get it. Yeah, yeah,
of course, no judgment if you have a y cel bag,
they're beautiful. Well, anyway, recently, there hasn't been very much
movement on the flash robbery scene, like that this big

(01:15:57):
one from twenty twenty four in October, like which granted
is like five months ago, six months.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Ago, Like, uh, that's the last big one I'm reading
about or that I'm seeing any information about. And I
think it's probably because like words getting out that like
everybody gets caught from these, like everybody gets arrested, so
like this isn't really the thing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
So I think as a trend it's going away.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
But I do think it was completely politicized by the
right as like this is it's the Wild West.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
And because everybody wants to make all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Of the politicians and das who are trying to be
more you know, acknowledging the biases in the government, in
the in the justice system, they want to make them
seem soft on crime and like, look what's happening smashing
grabs and it's like okay, a bunch of persons, what missing?

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Or well, how does that affect you? Like how does it?
Were you at the rock?

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Like well, yeah, I mean the classic they always show
they care more about unless it's the capital, of course
of the United States of America. They care about property
over people, like they also like the you know, ah,
the looting, but it's like they don't care that teens
are getting shot by cops. It's like they just care
about buildings so much, unless of course the capitol.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Even Like I remember when there was like there were
like there was stuff going on downtown in LA and
I had a friend with a bar in a restaurant
and his bar got his restaurant got like fucked up,
and I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.
He was like it doesn't matter, Like I believe in
this has caused like more and I have insurance like
I'll be fine, you know, like it's stuff, Like that's stuff.

(01:17:28):
But like the difference I think with this episode is
just like that's a crime against someone that is going
to affect them for the rest of their life, and
we need to at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Of the day, we have to achnowledge the show is copaganda.
And maybe they were trying to be like shut up,
you fucking idiots du people that are like wait, and
just like they wanted to make it seem like you're
a crazy person if you are thinking about like what
is gonna happen to a certain persons?

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, but.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
It also bothers me and I get why rape back
to this if they were the people that were mad, I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Think there's like so many women too that would like
don't don't have the privilege to confront their accuser or
have the like the justices and even take them seriously
or have the chance to you know, I d them
and point them out on the stand that it's like, wow,
you're just gonna not do this because of like your
brother in the pack of gum, Like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
I think not only is that, I think the big issue.
That's this is what I was trying to say, but
like I lost the fucking words. Was the whole thing
is you don't want to ruin a man's life or
career this and that it's always like diminishing the lifelong
trauma that usually happens from like assault and putting the
thing on Like even if it's a young black team,

(01:18:37):
like why you know what I mean, Like they have
an unfair shake in the justice system, But why would
his future be more valuable than your rape? Yeah, like
and your stand wise, he's going to affect your future. Yeah,
Like that's where I can see why people would be
really like upset by this episode. Yeah, because I think

(01:18:59):
it's a natural thing. And I think that's why people
like if they get groped or it's just this or
that was just my friend. But I guess I was
drunk too, Like I think most women are always trying
to like diminish what actually happened, right and like talk
themselves out. And because we are meant to care about
these rapists, right and because they have kids or because
of their job, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
You know, I get maybe I guess it's like what
is it? Oh, he's a father, he's married, Oh, he's
a young guy. It's like, there's always a reason why
you're ruining someone's life.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
But they committed a crime.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
So yeah, I will say in my research, I found
that this past October in La so past the date
of this episode. But there was one of those convenience
store flash robberies that was a bunch of teens and
a bunch of their parents saw them in the footage
and turn their asses in, which I thought was really funny,
like all these parents were like, oh no, you're not

(01:19:52):
gonna rob a convenience store and get away with it,
like you're taking accountability.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
So they turned them in.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
So but that's that on Smash and Grabs, And I mean,
I'm happy to hear that there's not an actual mirrored
case to this, but yeah, I feel like the show
was definitely running with like the hot button topic of
the moment, which at the end of two thousand and
three was fucking flash robs or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I thank you for two thousand and three, which is lol.
Two just now yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Oh my god, twenty twenty three a break in the
The only thing smashing in two thousand and three was
smash Mouth everybody A twenty twenty three was Smash Robs
and maybe Smash Brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Oh yeah, well, what's Smash Brothers. I'm Mario or Maria.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know what I'm
talking about with that last game I played was basically
duck Hunt. Okay, god, Oh, we know we're not We
have a guess. We have a guess. Stay tuned, all right.

(01:20:55):
Our guest today is an actor who you've seen on
shows like FBI Most Wanted and Elsbeth, one of Lisa's faves,
and you know her best from SVU as the victims
annoyed girlfriend Brooke Jaffett. Please enjoy our convo with a
very delightful Keely Miller. So, for our listeners, you and
our producer Casey are old friends.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
How do guys know each other?

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
We technically I don't know if we overlapped in undergrad.
But my best friend Kristin O'Brien from undergrad, we did
theater together. She had two older brothers who were in
the film department, and they were friends with Casey like
best friends, like their family. So we would all spend
like holidays at the O'Briens, and I think we met

(01:21:40):
there and then we ended up almost all of us
ended up working for the same restaurant company in La
called Jealina. Oh yeah, famous, and so we all, yes,
we all did our little venice time. And then Casey
started including us in films that he was making, and honestly,
it was the greatest honor of my life.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
That's so cool. Yay, well, we love Casey. Wow. From
Jack of All to California yep.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
And now New York?

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Did you know Call No Show? What were you up to?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
I was never at No Call No Show. I took
it way too serious.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Server Cardinal Sin, Well, let's talk about your star turn
on the episode Truth Embarbo Truth Bason twenty five. So
this is a very recent You just did this like
a year's or a year and a half ago or
so I was saying about it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Yeah, it was like December, I think of twenty twenty three. Uh,
it was crazy. I think I got it, like right.
My little sister helped me audition for it, like at
like eleven pm over zoom on like Thanksgiving or something.
And then you find out like two weeks later you
know got it, and then you're shooting and it was

(01:23:02):
the middle of winter. I had one hundred and two
degree fever on the first day that I had to
go shoot, and I like took a COVID test, so
I was like, I know, I don't have COVID, but
I you know, I'm I'm It's the beginning of my career.
So I was like, can I possibly get a car
to set? I'm really sick, And they were like, my
reps are like, don't tell anyone, don't tell anyone that

(01:23:24):
you're that sick, and just can you get there? I
was like sure, you know, so you're like taking the
train in the middle of winter, like all your stuff.
I'm like And then thankfully, the first day I shot
was all courtroom scenes and I didn't take the stand,
so I was just sitting there reacting. Next I think
my first scene was Kevin Kane was sitting next to me,

(01:23:47):
and I was like sweating bullets, like I was just
like wet, like just like come and like in the
all the wrong ways, like just like just like sweating
profusely and trying to be friendly at the same time,
you know, it's like your first day and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Yeah, sure, but he kept playing into the character she's
you know, had a familial trauma that's happened with her wife.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
So you're just upset and sweating. Did you end up
chatting or mostly sweating?

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
Tried to do both at the same time. Yeah, we
ended up chatting a little. Everyone was really friendly and
then and then the next scene I had Murshika next
to me, and that was, you know, nerve wracking in
and of itself and just trying to be friendly and
chatting and sweating and oh.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
My god, what a tough day.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Yeah, it was so bizarre. And then it got better
as the week went on, because I started feeling better.
But I think there's kind of a weird thing that happens,
like when you're that sick, you can't really think about
the acting, like if you're any good or not. So
I probably did the better work on the days that
I was really sick, and and as I got better,

(01:25:00):
I was like, my work is getting worse. So, you know,
you just get into your head in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Yeah, so you are like this hot young couple. What's
you and your on screen wife get along?

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
What, how were you guys married already or engaged? No,
we were engaged engaged.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
She was buying a bathing Suitingney.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Was buying a bathing honeymoon. Yes, yes, no. She was
absolutely lovely and just a pro and and very friendly in.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Your apartment, gorgeous as was well off killing it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
I was like, oh I didn't. I mean, that's the
funny thing is, like you there's not a lot of
like chit chat of like collaborate. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
It.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
It's a machine. So you like show up and you're
like they've made decisions about your character and you go
with them. And we walked in on that day it
was like in Gramercy Park and I was like, oh,
we're rich, like we do very well, Like, okay, this
is amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Right now? Are you indeed? Casey said you're in DC.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Yeah, I'm in DC.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Will you tell us about scenarios?

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Oh yeah, yes I will. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
It's a world premiere play by Matthew Koppo Di Casa Who,
and it's about the I still yet to find a
sustaining twin describe this. But the police do crisis intervention trainings,
and so it follows the kind of craziness that happens

(01:26:31):
in police intervention trainings and the resistance and they bring
in like actors to do it. So it's it's billed
as a comedy, but it's also, you know, pretty intense
in terms of the subject matter.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Wait, this is crazy. My husband knows him. Wait what
my husband knows Matthew Kappo de Casa. He does like
glass Cannon stuff like role playing games with this. Now
we're called glass Canon Podcast. Yeah, And I was like,
how do I know that name? Like that's like a
not a normal like a common name. And I just

(01:27:09):
googled it and was like, oh, glass Canon.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Wait, that's why funny the world is tiny? How long
is that running in DC four till April sixth? All right,
so as when this episode comes out, people.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Will still have time an eight show a week schedule
or what's it like? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Wow, yeah, h shows a week.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
This episode comes out five days before you close, so
everybody go see it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
Everybody comes to the scenarios at Studio Theater. You got
five days.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
You're actually in a one of my favorite shows, El Smith.
I am a weekly viewer of El Smith. I feel
you Yeah, I feel like I finally have aged because
I'm watching a CBS show.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
What.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
I like?

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
It really does hit a certain age demographic, doesn't it.
That's that's true. What do you love about Elsbeth?

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Because oh, I'll tell you so.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
I like that it's like crime, but that it's like
like you know what you like, you know that she'll
figure it out, and it's like kind of a little kooky,
and the guests actors are all so good and the
scenarios are fun, but you're not really stressed because you
actually know what happened and you know she's gonna, you know,
solve it. And then this season, who's the guy from Evil?

(01:28:26):
She's married to Michael Emerson. Oh, yes, so he is
now this long arc story and it's kind of like
suspenseful as well.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
Yeah, he came in right and after he was there,
I met him, like he was kind of coming on
set to like check things out. So I think that
that was like maybe in the works or something right
before I left, And he was so friendly and lovely.
And Carrie is just incredible and like a comedic genius. Yeah,

(01:28:57):
she's she's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Yeah, she's just so likable.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Like that's kind of also in the Secret to Elsbeth
because like there's a couple of other shows that are
kind of doing the Colombo thing, you know, and yeah,
hers is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Like feels like people are really attached to it. I
feel like it's her.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
The only thing that annoys me is every week there's
a new adversary who doesn't believe in her, but she
has solved every case every week, so it's like, even
if you don't like her, I guess she's doing a
good job. So I'm like, why does everyone keep fighting her?
Doesn't make sense. It's the patriarchy. She doesn't sing it,
but you're We're there with Pamela Adlin, who I'm my.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
Fan of me too, and she, yeah, she was incredible.
We had it was one of those episode and Laura
ban Anti and Jack Davenport. It was wild because we
had so much downtime together and like, I feel like this,

(01:29:55):
I mean, I'm very early career, so but I've heard
this doesn't really happen in more as often, where everyone
kind of like goes to their own trailers or kind
of like does their own thing in between. But because
we were shooting in this restaurant, they had us all
held in the same like other section of the restaurant together,
and so we became this kind of like I don't know,

(01:30:18):
Motley Crue of different like time like timelines in our
careers and Jack Dave Import and Pamela Adlon were just
like going back and forth sharing all their stories. You know,
they were like, you know this in the straight kind
of like, and us young actors were like, oh my gosh,
like tell us everything, and they really took us under

(01:30:38):
their wing and they were hilarious and incredible. And Pamela
is just a hoot and so funny and so welcoming.
You know, she like knew everyone's names on set like
and just was just a hilarious time. And she there
was like something she she kept calling Carrie Preston the

(01:31:00):
Daniel d Lewis of of comedy, and it was just
really like method like method, no, yeah, not method, but
like just just top tier. She was like, this is
the my.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Left foot, Like okay, it was really it was really rich.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
It's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
That's great. Back to your SVU. You got to face
off with Iced Tea a little bit too. You like
sass him and he goes, I'm sorry, Like you know,
we just like never hear him go I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
I'm sorry. I don't even remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
And yeah, I'm so glad you wrote that down.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
I kind of laughed when he said that it is
a powerful moment because we just we love that, yeah,
where he stands on what else? I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Did you have any little funny run ins after you've
started feeling better.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
After the fever? No, it was just such an interesting
episode to watch because they were still tinkering with the
script like on on set as they do, but like
there were just some things that I you know, I
think that they were trying to figure out how to
how to make the story work. And the director was

(01:32:21):
actually I found out he directed the pilot episode of SVU,
so him and Marishka like knew each other from way back,
and which was insane.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
That is wow.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
Yeah. I was like, oh, we're we got some svo
history here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
Yeah, and we love to hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
Yeah, yeah, isn't that fun? And then the scenes with
Marishka like were you know, I She's amazing and she's
incredible at like just she can be talking to somebody
or like on the phone and then drop right in
and like a second and like oh whoa, Like it's incredible.
And I was doing a couple of takes in the

(01:32:59):
court room and at one point she because she will
jump in a couple of times, like with the actors
to kind of play with them. And she was like,
I think, let's let's try one where you just really
give it to me, just lay into me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
And I was like, okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
She's like, yeah, let's let's have you like maybe start
to walk away and then take a beat and then
whip around and just give it to me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Oh my god, yay.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
I was like, okay, sure. Uh So that was that
was a little nerve wracking, you know, because she's she's
such a force and and it's her show, you know,
so you're like, I'm here for the week and I
don't want to you turn around and just give it
to her.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
And she was like, that's we got it. Okay, that's
so exciting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
The director of that episode was Jean de segone Zac,
the one who we just talkedalked about these at resent.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I know, but I was thinking, when I say his name,
but who are we talking about that with?

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Was it Donell or David Keith? And what was it?
I don't remember when we were just talking about him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Right now, he's done fifty five episodes of the show,
fifty he's directed fifty five episodes of US and someone
just had a story about him and truly, I don't
retain any information, like I guess, but he does.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
I FBI most wanted you what you've been on? Right,
Like he's been like he does all the Dick Wolf stuff.
This time he did bloodline.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
Do he's a bloodline? A couple episodes?

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Episodes? What was your what? What's what's your plan? After DC?
You're going to head back to New York.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Go to head back to New York and hope for
the best. You know, I'm it's it's still early career,
so there's the moment where you know, you just don't
know what's coming right next.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Yeah, and but the good news is that on your
IMDb one of the first photos that comes up underneath
like is you and Marishka sitting on a bench together.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
And that's a pretty classic. That's pretty pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
It very much felt like it's a it's very much
a New York kind of moment, you know, like it's
because it's been you know, obviously it's your podcast. Like
every actor, it feels like, has done an episode of that.
So it feels really kind of like as a right
of passage.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
That's what I's a huge deal. Wait, what is this
foot now that I'm on your IMDb on these photos?
What's this mother's instinct?

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
This hat? These polka dots? What is this? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
That was a film I did with Anne Hathaway and
Jessica Chestain where they are like, it's kind of like
in this style of you know what happened to Baby Jane,
They're like, it's a psychological thriller with these two mothers,
and it was a wild I'm a couple of a

(01:36:01):
couple of great times with Anne Hathaway and yes, a
little while ago with her it was.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
The best as our generator princess.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
She really is, And it took everything and me not
to first just blurt out like I love you and
the Princess Diaries, like okay not and like I love
you know, and then I was like, you can't say
Princess Diaries as the first thing. It's just gonna feel embarrassing.
But yeah, she was lovely and we gone along great
and super welcoming. We like chatted all things, you know,

(01:36:35):
nerdy actor stuff like vocal technique because she had just
finished doing what was the name of the show that
she did with Jared Leto.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Oh the one about like was that the we work
one that they did.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
Yes, Yes, yes, yes, And she had just finished doing that,
so we were talking about like how she changed her
voice for that. We talked about vocal technique and school
and whatnot, and the highlight of my life might have
been after we like finished the day and we had
been kind of chatting on and off, and she was
very welcoming and engaging, and at the end she was like,

(01:37:16):
can I take your phone number so that we can
like chat all things, you know, vocal stuff in the
future or whatever. And I, you know, was like beside
my and she was like, I don't keep my phone
on me, so my security lady is going to take
it in her phone, but you know, we'll take and

(01:37:37):
I was like, yeah, totally, you know. And after I left,
I was like, what just happened? Right, Like, Anne Hathaway
has my phone number, but she never you know, and
she never reached out, and I, you know, so the
story kind of is anti climactic in that way, because

(01:37:57):
when I would tell anyone, they're like, oh, my gosh,
you know did and I was like, no, no, she has
my phone and I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
I don't have a way of getting in touch with her.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
I can't get in contact with her. But it was
it was a good time and the period costumes were
incredible and super fun.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Yeah, it looks like a really cool show. It looks beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
It was stunning and it was in sixties so and
I was pregnant, so there was like heavy silicon belly
that I had to wear in the middle of summer.
It was It's a good.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
Time, Killie. This was so fun to chat with you.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Definitely we'll send our DC girls and guys to go
see scenario.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
I would love it and I would love it. Yeah, thank
you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
I liked that she was She was like, why do
you like al Smith? She was cool. I loved I
liked her so many stories.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
I just like the people that have the details, you know,
like people that care about all this is much as
we do. It's like nice to talk to people with
the details.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Yes, and our first guest that we got courtesy of Casey.
So Casey, keep bringing us in your your contacts and
your friends. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
But yeah, she was really cool and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
And a wild episode. Yeah, slash best of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
I mean, I'm so like, now I'm on alert, Like
you guys have to let us know if anything drops
below this episode on IMDb, not like IMDb is suddenly
like the Rotten Tomatoes. But I guess for TV shows,
that's the closest you can get to like rating something
per episode is the IMDb. So yeah, definitely let us
know if anything drops. But yes, truth embargo has dethroned

(01:39:44):
intimidation game and I was so happy that we've been
able to cover both of these classics insta classics. But yeah,
in terms of a post mortem smash and grab robberies,
I feel like we're a moment in time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
They're not really happening that much anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
And and people kind of found out that when you
work with a lot of people there, you open yourselves
up to way more mistakes and they're all you're you're
all going to lead each other to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
And everyone got busted, so you know, and the phones
of it all. I mean, now with the phones, it's
like planning travel. How many burner phones? What do you delete? Like,
I wonder how quickly. I mean, we're already on a
police A lot of people's citizens are non citizens, like
people in this nation are dealing with.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
But I wonder how quick we all will be.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
Yeah, I mean, I'm on signal. I'm on signal to
order mushrooms for my mushroom lady. And I hope I
don't get invited into a full war plan at any point.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
You know, that would be wild. H Have they even
said why he got acted?

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
So they're denying it. They're saying it didn't happen. He
has screenshots, you guys. Yeah, but they're just like, no,
I didn't do that. What are you talking about? That
didn't happen. Oh I thought somebody. I thought they said
it was confirmed at one point, but of course it's confirmed.
Of course it's confirmed. But like that's somebody on their side.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
But it's like like at least it's like, oh, we
were trying to add in so and so, but we
added in the thing that the.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Know this, you know, that's what fu But it's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Also funny that it's the Atlantic because he hates the Atlantic.
He hates the Atlantic more than like any publication. And
so it's so funny that it's that one that they
added in.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Like saw two separate things where like this is all
just online stuff where one person I saw, I was like, well,
why did you wait a whole week at Like you
had to wait till they bombed ym into fucking post
about it and then someone else goes I would have
stayed in that group chat for a year or like months,
like see what happens. So yeah, you know, just two

(01:41:41):
sides of whatever. But however it happened. This is like insane.
The fact that they're not like, but he's the head
of the defense and they're in charge of all the
like the fact that he's not in jail for espionage
and like whatever other charges and in jail for life
is insane.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
To go back to me on stage, and it's like
I told the people, I'm like, well, we have freedom
seat for now.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
For now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
I could say whatever the fuck I want and I
go and I've made you laugh enough and at the
end of the day, if you were cool, you could
be up here too. But I get to do whatever
the fuck I want because I don't think it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Be for long. Yeah, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
I bet in like within six months, someone could complain
that sees me and I could be like fucking taken,
Like I don't know I mean, I really do if
people are being sent away and their phones are being
searched at the borders, like I don't. Yeah, they just
they're they're they're holding a college student who's been living
here since she was seven because they found her test.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
I heard they were like looking for her. Oh I
thought she was detained. But fucking it's scary out there.
But uh, California, Oregon, and Washington have been invited to
join Canada though, and I think we should accept. Wait
for real, some the I think the new Prime Minister
said something like, yeah, California, Washington, Oregon, why don't you
guys come up and join us.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Yeah, but Oregon and Washington. But the thing is, all
of our cities are like all those states are hillbillies
around the city.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
There's plenty. Yeah, in California, it's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
We drive two hours outside of LA it's Trump flags
anywhere everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Yeah, but they showed how like the population of New
Jersey is like all of the mountains all those like.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
Yeahana, Idaho.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
Like it's just it's nuts. We let it go too long.
We didn't help black people fast enough. I mean, at
the end of the day, our comforts let us like
not give a fuck about minorities in this country, and
now we're all gonna be treated and the way minorities
have been and.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
We deserve it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Well, that's exactly what the couple from this show was
trying to get across, you know, that's exactly what the
lesbians in this episode we're trying to get everyone to realize.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
But yeah, well because I get where they're coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Yeah, but it's stupid. Yes, the way that it's framed
is dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Is dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
The other words, there's other ways it could have been done,
and they've done it better in other ways, you know
what I mean, Like they've done this this like kind
of thing better, they've done white guilt better. This one
it's bad. But I was also just going to say
to bring it right back to su really quick. I mean,
never forget this is the the Hygienic Liner episode.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
I mean the Hygienic Liner.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Never has there been a funnier Benson light bulb moment
when she's like, I've got it, the hygienic Liner, Like
I just usually it's like her knowing a brand, her
knowing something about about something that maybe men don't know about.
And this is like the top men. Do you even
know about a hygienic liner? You cannot call yourself an
ally until you do. And it solved the case. The

(01:44:47):
hygienic liner solve the case. But anyway, let's move into
what would Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment
where we direct you towards a book, an article, a organization,
something to give you more information or let you help.
Regarding what we talked about in today's episode this week,

(01:45:08):
I kind of we were sort of talking about like
the woman's reaction to the victim's reaction, like when she
walks out and sees the flash mobers, and it was
making and I think we also talked about this in
last week's episode, the fight or Flight, And I found
this article on simply psychology called fight, Flight, Freeze, or
fawn How we respond to threats, And I just thought

(01:45:29):
it was like an interesting article that identifies all these responses.
And I think people forget a lot of times about fawn,
like how you'll get overly like agreeing with your with
your like the perpetrator and stuff, And there's a lot
of psychology to like why you go into one of
these modes. So this article goes in depth about why

(01:45:50):
these responses get triggered, how to cope with them. So
I thought it was interesting, and that's at simplypsychology dot org.
And that will be linked obviously in our show, and
we'll be out in a story the day that this
episode comes out, and then we save all of those
stories in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram. So if
you're ever feeling like, oh, I've got a couple bucks

(01:46:12):
and I want to give it to some organization, you
can just page through our WWSPD highlights and see what
you know, what you're drawn to, and thank.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
You for that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
And yeah, because you always think you'll be ready, but
you don't know how you're gonna act, and then you
feel guilt and you shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Totally life is hard.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Next week Exile, Season twenty, episode six. Join us. We're
obsessed with all of you. Stay strong, fight the fight,
but stay safe.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
Bye, guys.

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Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
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Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
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