June 4, 2025 • 13 mins
Sarah Davidson (Seize the Yay) joins Em Vernem on BIZ Inbox to shatter workplace myths, including why "being busy" shouldn't be worn as a badge of honour on your shoulder. After ditching her corporate lawyer path, Sarah shares takes on workplace loyalty, revealing why you probably shouldn't tell your boss you're job hunting, pre-interview rituals that actually work, and her refreshingly simple approach to office morale that won't trigger eye rolls (hint: skip escape rooms).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to I'm Mom with Me a podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to Biz Inbox. I'm M Burnham and
I am so pumped to have the amazing Sarah Davidson
joining me in the studio today. If you're into podcasts,
you've probably binged an episode or two of Sarah's pod,
cz The Ya. Sarah has quite literally flipped her career
upside down. She ditched the corporate lawyer gig to launch
(00:36):
your own retail brand and become a relatable voice for
anyone with big entrepreneurial dreams. Sarah, thank you so much
for coming back here. We are very, very excited.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Oh em, thank you for having me back. It's been
a joy. I mean, you'll just struggle to get rid
of me now. I'm attached to you. I'm like a
I'm a leitch.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You're like what I said last episode, You're a lurker,
except we're.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Lurking on each other now. Looker, ye, this is the
start of a long term relationship. I'm so excited. Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Today, we are going to chat about those moments when
life goes completely off script and how sometimes throwing your
carefully crafted plan in the bin can lead to the
best possible outcome it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Is right m This week I will tell you how
forced office fun can actually be fun, plus why being
busy is not the badger of honor that we all
seem to think it is. And that is definitely a
place I've come from wearing it on my shoulder, thinking
that I was absolutely amazing but chronically burnt out. But first,
let's talk pre interview rituals.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
This is a fun one because I'm sure it's different
for everyone. We all have one. Mine just involves anxiously
walking around in circles. I know it's really embarrassing, especially
if you're like around me at the time. I just
can't help it. It's just something that I've always done
since I was a little kid. But we've actually got
this question from Zoe who's from Townsville, and she writes,
(02:05):
what's the one pre interview ritual that actually makes a difference?
My friends swear by the two five ten rule, which
is a two minute power post five declarations, for example,
saying I will crush this interview and ten deep breaths.
Do you have any other go to techniques? I've never
actually heard of this two five to ten rule, but
(02:26):
I feel like standing in a power post for two
minutes feels like a long time.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That is a really long time. I feel like so long,
it is a really long time. I've heard of all
three of those things separately, but never as a rule,
Like I've never tried it, So I wonder if that
would be really efficient kind of throwing everything at the problem.
Like I can't speak to it from personal experience, but
I feel like, definitely the ten deep breaths thing that's
(02:54):
universally a good place to start, like one of the
things that with any emotion really that's overcoming you nerves, anger, frustration, sadness, exhaustion,
like there's nothing that's some deep breaths and just slowing
things down, just slow your heart rate down, can't fix.
So I would always start there, whether or not it's
part of the two five ten rule or not. I
(03:18):
also find that working on a couple of phrases that
I know I'll answer well really helps me. So sometimes
just before the interview, so that it's fresh in your mind.
There's always a couple of questions that you know you'll
get asked, And I find like the more prepared you are,
the less nervous you feel, because you know that no
matter what happens, you can kind of go into autopilot
(03:39):
and that answer that you've practiced that rolls up the
tongue really nicely. If you just focus on one or
two of those that you know are your real standout moments,
like that you're really good at asking or you have
a really good answer for. Kind of saying them over
and over again just gets me in the zone of like, Okay,
I know this. By the time you get in there,
it's fresh in the forefront of your brain. You're not
(04:00):
too distracted, it's kind of there, So saying it over
and over again. And also this sounds really kooky and
woo woo, but it really works for me.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh my god, tell me.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And it's just visualizing. It's visualizing yourself in there having
a really positive interview. It's just like visualizing you sitting
down smiling them smiling at you, and visualizing it going well.
Because I think sometimes all you do is without even realizing,
you're visualizing a bad outcome, Like anxiety can lead you
to think of all the things that can go wrong,
(04:32):
and sometimes you bring that about by getting in there
and already your brain's gone through the scenarios going, Oh
my god, I'm going to stumble on my words. I'm
going to forget what I'm saying, and then of course
when you sit down, that's all you're thinking about, so
you forget what you're saying. But if you visualize it
going really well, I feel like it gives you a
little bit of confidence that it will go well. And
that's the same with like athletes. I know a lot
(04:53):
of elite athletes visualize their race going well before the race,
or singers and performers visualize a good performance. So it's like,
once you've seen the possibility of it going well, it
helps bring that about. So I think visualize a really
great interview and that sets you up well for a
good interview.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh that's so good. Oh my god, I'm so excited
for Zoe. Big good luck for your interview. I'm sure
you'll smash it. And if you want to do a
power pose, I'm a big fan of hands on hips
like that one works.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You feel just so good, like wonder Woman.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm not sure about the two minutes. No, that's a lot.
It's wonder Woman, Okay. Our next question comes from Mel
from Brizzy and she writes, do I have to tell
my boss that I'm looking for other jobs. My manager
has always emphasized how they value open communication and transparency,
but I'm worried they'll sideline me for projects or treat
(05:45):
me differently if they know I might leave. Is there
a right approach here or does it depend on the workplace. Oh,
this is a juicy question. I actually have no idea.
I'm always a blabbermout, so I would tell my boss
like straight up if I was looking for other jobs.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, it's really hard. And I actually encountered this when
we started our business, and I wasn't actually preparing to
leave at the beginning, but even the fact that I'd
started something that could be considered to compromise my mental
availability or my dedication to my job. And I know
(06:25):
it's controversial, and I don't actually know what the done
thing is in workplaces these days. I don't know whether
there is an expectation that you're supposed to tell people.
But I personally went from giving eight thousand percent to
my workplace and feeling like I owed it everything, and
like it's the right thing to have integrity and tell
people your plans for your life so that they're across
(06:46):
it and they can work it into their business plans.
But I ended up realizing you're actually pretty expendable in
most situations, especially like if we're talking about a big company,
and I feel like the workplace wouldn't tell you if
they were planning to make you redundant. I don't think
they give you notice six months in advance that they'd
started to think about restructuring, just so you could organize
your life around it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So true, I didn't even think of it like that.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, I kind of think it's my business what I
might be doing waiting in the wings. I kind of
think it's my business what I do with my plans
and my future, and whether it's a side hustle or
whether it is an attempt to leave. I also don't
think that you need to jeopardize your current relationship or
your work, because absolutely they'll treat you differently if they
know you're sort of halfway out the door. I don't
(07:32):
think that you need to do that until you definitely
know that you're leaving. So just looking for jobs, like
what does that achieve for you? You haven't got the
new job, but you've gone and told the current workplace
that you're not as committed or as present, which means
they're going to judge your ability to do your job
correctly when you might still be one hundred percent dedicated,
but they're never going to believe that you are. So
(07:55):
I personally and this sounds terrible and I can't believe
I'm putting this on the record, But I personally think,
you know, make your moves quietly, and I think once
you do have the job, then you owe it to them.
But think about it in the reverse. Would they tell
you about redundancy? Probably not, so you don't know them that.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh my god, I love that. We should have like
a segment on this episode called WWSD what would Sarah Do?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
No, No, I don't want to out myself too much.
I'm like, oh my god, that's terrible. I feel so bad.
But I also feel like it's so common for people
to feel like they owe their workplace a lot more
of themselves yea than they do, and then to be
brutally disappointed down the track. Not all the time, there
are amazing workplaces out there, but just to be brutally
(08:38):
disappointed down the track when they realize that, of course,
a corporation can't give you back the same as you
would give as an individual, and that you don't owe
them everything, not everything. You owe them to be a
good worker and do your job, but you don't know
them everything.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Oh that's so good. Well, good luck, mel and I
hope you find a job that you absolutely love. Okay.
This next question is on office morale and it's from
Jamie who's a team leader in Melbourne, and she says,
I manage a team of twelve and want to boost
(09:11):
morale without the eye rolls that come with forced fun.
Any suggestions for genuine ways to lift the office vibe
on Mondays or Fridays that don't feel like corporate team
building nonsense. Oh this is a good one because I
do feel like especially when there's big like age gaps
in teams and you end up having like a leadership
(09:32):
team who are a bit older, maybe of a different
generation to the employees below. But what I find actually
works is if you get one of the younger employees
to do the fun admin stuff, like if you ask them,
can you book the dinners, can you book the lunches?
Can you think of some ways to like gameify something?
(09:55):
And I find that works so much better, Like it's
probably annoying for that person unless they love it and
they've shown that they love it and they want to
try new things and experience kind of like an event
management in space, but it actually works so much better
when it comes from a colleague rather than management.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, And I think like an extension of that sentiment
is just ask them, like there's only twelve of them,
ask them for twelve suggestions, and then pick one of.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Them, like what do you want to do?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
See what overlaps? And I think one of the big
things with the whole like there's always going to be
a bit of eye roll about work fund because like
work fund, no matter what it is, it's still work fun. Really,
it's still with your colleagues, and it's still kind of
considered your work persona. You can't really let loose. But
I think a really big thing to do is, like
it's so straightforward chose activities that people would genuinely enjoy
(10:46):
if they weren't with their colleagues. Like why does everyone
suddenly think let's go to an escape room when half
the population wouldn't enjoy an escape room, Like they wouldn't
go there with them. I mean some people would, but
there's these like stereotypical corporate team building activities, and there's
always some element of you having to work as a team,
things like an escape room. It's like, of course that's
(11:08):
going to be daggy because it's so stereotypical. So just
think about like I would genuinely go and do paint
and sit with my friends. Yeah, so if I had
to do it for work, it would feel a lot
less daggy because I'm like, that's a really nice activity.
It's more relaxed. I'm not actually being made to work
as a team either. It's not just an extension of
my job. It feels like a reward. I feel like,
(11:30):
make the activity feel like a reward, something lovely, relaxed
and fun and maybe, yeah, ask them what they would
like to do.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I agree completely. I think the team building activities need
to be so separate to the morale boosting activities and
definitely no escape room, Like the last thing your colleagues
want is to be trapped in a room with you,
Like yeah there.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And I also feel like that assumes that you're analyzing
who's taking initiative to be the leader and who's going
to be and like it just brings out these characteristics
that it makes people stressed, like that's not fun. That's like,
oh my god, my manager's watching if I have initiative, Like,
people just want to enjoy themselves, So let them just
(12:12):
draw a bad cow and have a glass of wine together, you.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Know, yeah, something easy even, just like going to a
nice dinner. We can just sit near whoever and just
like chat and chill and don't talk about work. It's
just like those simple things are just so easy to execute,
and it actually does benefit the team as a whole totally.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And I also think sometimes morale comes from the cohesion
of a team and them getting to know each other
as people. And like in an escape room, you're not
actually having conversations about who you are and your lives,
whereas if you go to dinner and then you play
musical chairs, which that's the bit that makes it a
wanky corporate team building activity, which everyone will roll their
(12:55):
eyes about musical chairs, but at least you get forced
to sit next to a different person and have a
cute conversation with them.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So good, Oh my god, I love that answer, And
now I really want to go to dinner. I'm starving. Well,
thanks so much for helping us clear the biz Inbox.
If you have a word question, please send it our way.
You will find a link to submit your questions in
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Speaker 1 (13:20):
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Inbox next week.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Bye see ya. Mamma Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of
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You're listening to I'm Mom with Me a podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to Biz Inbox. I'm M Burnham and
I am so pumped to have the amazing Sarah Davidson
joining me in the studio today. If you're into podcasts,
you've probably binged an episode or two of Sarah's pod,
cz The Ya. Sarah has quite literally flipped her career
upside down. She ditched the corporate lawyer gig to launch
(00:36):
your own retail brand and become a relatable voice for
anyone with big entrepreneurial dreams. Sarah, thank you so much
for coming back here. We are very, very excited.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Oh em, thank you for having me back. It's been
a joy. I mean, you'll just struggle to get rid
of me now. I'm attached to you. I'm like a
I'm a leitch.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You're like what I said last episode, You're a lurker,
except we're.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Lurking on each other now. Looker, ye, this is the
start of a long term relationship. I'm so excited. Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Today, we are going to chat about those moments when
life goes completely off script and how sometimes throwing your
carefully crafted plan in the bin can lead to the
best possible outcome it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Is right m This week I will tell you how
forced office fun can actually be fun, plus why being
busy is not the badger of honor that we all
seem to think it is. And that is definitely a
place I've come from wearing it on my shoulder, thinking
that I was absolutely amazing but chronically burnt out. But first,
let's talk pre interview rituals.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
This is a fun one because I'm sure it's different
for everyone. We all have one. Mine just involves anxiously
walking around in circles. I know it's really embarrassing, especially
if you're like around me at the time. I just
can't help it. It's just something that I've always done
since I was a little kid. But we've actually got
this question from Zoe who's from Townsville, and she writes,
(02:05):
what's the one pre interview ritual that actually makes a difference?
My friends swear by the two five ten rule, which
is a two minute power post five declarations, for example,
saying I will crush this interview and ten deep breaths.
Do you have any other go to techniques? I've never
actually heard of this two five to ten rule, but
(02:26):
I feel like standing in a power post for two
minutes feels like a long time.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That is a really long time. I feel like so long,
it is a really long time. I've heard of all
three of those things separately, but never as a rule,
Like I've never tried it, So I wonder if that
would be really efficient kind of throwing everything at the problem.
Like I can't speak to it from personal experience, but
I feel like, definitely the ten deep breaths thing that's
(02:54):
universally a good place to start, like one of the
things that with any emotion really that's overcoming you nerves, anger, frustration, sadness, exhaustion,
like there's nothing that's some deep breaths and just slowing
things down, just slow your heart rate down, can't fix.
So I would always start there, whether or not it's
part of the two five ten rule or not. I
(03:18):
also find that working on a couple of phrases that
I know I'll answer well really helps me. So sometimes
just before the interview, so that it's fresh in your mind.
There's always a couple of questions that you know you'll
get asked, And I find like the more prepared you are,
the less nervous you feel, because you know that no
matter what happens, you can kind of go into autopilot
(03:39):
and that answer that you've practiced that rolls up the
tongue really nicely. If you just focus on one or
two of those that you know are your real standout moments,
like that you're really good at asking or you have
a really good answer for. Kind of saying them over
and over again just gets me in the zone of like, Okay,
I know this. By the time you get in there,
it's fresh in the forefront of your brain. You're not
(04:00):
too distracted, it's kind of there, So saying it over
and over again. And also this sounds really kooky and
woo woo, but it really works for me.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh my god, tell me.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And it's just visualizing. It's visualizing yourself in there having
a really positive interview. It's just like visualizing you sitting
down smiling them smiling at you, and visualizing it going well.
Because I think sometimes all you do is without even realizing,
you're visualizing a bad outcome, Like anxiety can lead you
to think of all the things that can go wrong,
(04:32):
and sometimes you bring that about by getting in there
and already your brain's gone through the scenarios going, Oh
my god, I'm going to stumble on my words. I'm
going to forget what I'm saying, and then of course
when you sit down, that's all you're thinking about, so
you forget what you're saying. But if you visualize it
going really well, I feel like it gives you a
little bit of confidence that it will go well. And
that's the same with like athletes. I know a lot
(04:53):
of elite athletes visualize their race going well before the race,
or singers and performers visualize a good performance. So it's like,
once you've seen the possibility of it going well, it
helps bring that about. So I think visualize a really
great interview and that sets you up well for a
good interview.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh that's so good. Oh my god, I'm so excited
for Zoe. Big good luck for your interview. I'm sure
you'll smash it. And if you want to do a
power pose, I'm a big fan of hands on hips
like that one works.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You feel just so good, like wonder Woman.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm not sure about the two minutes. No, that's a lot.
It's wonder Woman, Okay. Our next question comes from Mel
from Brizzy and she writes, do I have to tell
my boss that I'm looking for other jobs. My manager
has always emphasized how they value open communication and transparency,
but I'm worried they'll sideline me for projects or treat
(05:45):
me differently if they know I might leave. Is there
a right approach here or does it depend on the workplace. Oh,
this is a juicy question. I actually have no idea.
I'm always a blabbermout, so I would tell my boss
like straight up if I was looking for other jobs.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, it's really hard. And I actually encountered this when
we started our business, and I wasn't actually preparing to
leave at the beginning, but even the fact that I'd
started something that could be considered to compromise my mental
availability or my dedication to my job. And I know
(06:25):
it's controversial, and I don't actually know what the done
thing is in workplaces these days. I don't know whether
there is an expectation that you're supposed to tell people.
But I personally went from giving eight thousand percent to
my workplace and feeling like I owed it everything, and
like it's the right thing to have integrity and tell
people your plans for your life so that they're across
(06:46):
it and they can work it into their business plans.
But I ended up realizing you're actually pretty expendable in
most situations, especially like if we're talking about a big company,
and I feel like the workplace wouldn't tell you if
they were planning to make you redundant. I don't think
they give you notice six months in advance that they'd
started to think about restructuring, just so you could organize
your life around it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So true, I didn't even think of it like that.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, I kind of think it's my business what I
might be doing waiting in the wings. I kind of
think it's my business what I do with my plans
and my future, and whether it's a side hustle or
whether it is an attempt to leave. I also don't
think that you need to jeopardize your current relationship or
your work, because absolutely they'll treat you differently if they
know you're sort of halfway out the door. I don't
(07:32):
think that you need to do that until you definitely
know that you're leaving. So just looking for jobs, like
what does that achieve for you? You haven't got the
new job, but you've gone and told the current workplace
that you're not as committed or as present, which means
they're going to judge your ability to do your job
correctly when you might still be one hundred percent dedicated,
but they're never going to believe that you are. So
(07:55):
I personally and this sounds terrible and I can't believe
I'm putting this on the record, But I personally think,
you know, make your moves quietly, and I think once
you do have the job, then you owe it to them.
But think about it in the reverse. Would they tell
you about redundancy? Probably not, so you don't know them that.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh my god, I love that. We should have like
a segment on this episode called WWSD what would Sarah Do?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
No, No, I don't want to out myself too much.
I'm like, oh my god, that's terrible. I feel so bad.
But I also feel like it's so common for people
to feel like they owe their workplace a lot more
of themselves yea than they do, and then to be
brutally disappointed down the track. Not all the time, there
are amazing workplaces out there, but just to be brutally
(08:38):
disappointed down the track when they realize that, of course,
a corporation can't give you back the same as you
would give as an individual, and that you don't owe
them everything, not everything. You owe them to be a
good worker and do your job, but you don't know
them everything.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Oh that's so good. Well, good luck, mel and I
hope you find a job that you absolutely love. Okay.
This next question is on office morale and it's from
Jamie who's a team leader in Melbourne, and she says,
I manage a team of twelve and want to boost
(09:11):
morale without the eye rolls that come with forced fun.
Any suggestions for genuine ways to lift the office vibe
on Mondays or Fridays that don't feel like corporate team
building nonsense. Oh this is a good one because I
do feel like especially when there's big like age gaps
in teams and you end up having like a leadership
(09:32):
team who are a bit older, maybe of a different
generation to the employees below. But what I find actually
works is if you get one of the younger employees
to do the fun admin stuff, like if you ask them,
can you book the dinners, can you book the lunches?
Can you think of some ways to like gameify something?
(09:55):
And I find that works so much better, Like it's
probably annoying for that person unless they love it and
they've shown that they love it and they want to
try new things and experience kind of like an event
management in space, but it actually works so much better
when it comes from a colleague rather than management.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, And I think like an extension of that sentiment
is just ask them, like there's only twelve of them,
ask them for twelve suggestions, and then pick one of.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Them, like what do you want to do?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
See what overlaps? And I think one of the big
things with the whole like there's always going to be
a bit of eye roll about work fund because like
work fund, no matter what it is, it's still work fun. Really,
it's still with your colleagues, and it's still kind of
considered your work persona. You can't really let loose. But
I think a really big thing to do is, like
it's so straightforward chose activities that people would genuinely enjoy
(10:46):
if they weren't with their colleagues. Like why does everyone
suddenly think let's go to an escape room when half
the population wouldn't enjoy an escape room, Like they wouldn't
go there with them. I mean some people would, but
there's these like stereotypical corporate team building activities, and there's
always some element of you having to work as a team,
things like an escape room. It's like, of course that's
(11:08):
going to be daggy because it's so stereotypical. So just
think about like I would genuinely go and do paint
and sit with my friends. Yeah, so if I had
to do it for work, it would feel a lot
less daggy because I'm like, that's a really nice activity.
It's more relaxed. I'm not actually being made to work
as a team either. It's not just an extension of
my job. It feels like a reward. I feel like,
(11:30):
make the activity feel like a reward, something lovely, relaxed
and fun and maybe, yeah, ask them what they would
like to do.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I agree completely. I think the team building activities need
to be so separate to the morale boosting activities and
definitely no escape room, Like the last thing your colleagues
want is to be trapped in a room with you,
Like yeah there.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And I also feel like that assumes that you're analyzing
who's taking initiative to be the leader and who's going
to be and like it just brings out these characteristics
that it makes people stressed, like that's not fun. That's like,
oh my god, my manager's watching if I have initiative, Like,
people just want to enjoy themselves, So let them just
(12:12):
draw a bad cow and have a glass of wine together, you.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Know, yeah, something easy even, just like going to a
nice dinner. We can just sit near whoever and just
like chat and chill and don't talk about work. It's
just like those simple things are just so easy to execute,
and it actually does benefit the team as a whole totally.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And I also think sometimes morale comes from the cohesion
of a team and them getting to know each other
as people. And like in an escape room, you're not
actually having conversations about who you are and your lives,
whereas if you go to dinner and then you play
musical chairs, which that's the bit that makes it a
wanky corporate team building activity, which everyone will roll their
(12:55):
eyes about musical chairs, but at least you get forced
to sit next to a different person and have a
cute conversation with them.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So good, Oh my god, I love that answer, And
now I really want to go to dinner. I'm starving. Well,
thanks so much for helping us clear the biz Inbox.
If you have a word question, please send it our way.
You will find a link to submit your questions in
the show notes. You can tell us your name or
remain completely anonymous. It is up to you.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
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Speaker 2 (13:26):
Bye see ya. Mamma Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of
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