August 4, 2025 • 42 mins
Are we in a toxic relationship with Carrie Bradshaw? Amelia is asking an important question as And Just Like That comes to an end.
Plus, a new royal fiancé, the latest Prince Andrew exposé and the allegation that Prince Harry is firmly denying. Holly shares some royal scurrilous gossip.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to
Mama Mia. Out loud. What women are actually talking about
on Monday, the fourth of August.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm Holly Waynwright, I am Jesse Stevens, and I'm Amelia Lester.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
In case you missed it, our MEA's on long service leave,
and so Amelia Lester is here.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
So Maya has been on the show for ten years.
Apparently that entitles her to long service sleep. I will say,
how long you've been at the company, Holly.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Don't try and get rid of me that easily.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I've been at the company for ten years and I'm
starting to bang my I think we should go to
produce a roof and say there's a few more of
us who are entitled to some late I will say,
well at.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The door, exactly after her, No, I'm staying here. You'll
have to one gloom me from my seat. On today's show, are.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
We in a toxic relationship with Carrie Bradshaw? I asked
this important question as ands like that comes to end.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Prince Harry Fretn's legal action over a story that he
should definitely just have led us all believe because it
made him look really good.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And the latest shapewear for your face. Sometimes when I'm prepping,
I come across a theory that is so brilliant and
explosive that I think I can't wait to tell you
both and I have cracked why this has gone viral
and what the aim here is, what the marketing ployer is.
I can't wait to tell you, But first images of
tens of thousands of Sydney Siders marching across the Harbor
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Bridge have gone global after a historic pro Palestine demonstration
over the weekend. High profile figures like Julian Assang, Craig Foster,
Bob Carr and Antoinette Latoufe all attended, along with politicians Labor,
Federal MP Ed Husick and Green Senator Maureen Ferruki. In
terms of how many people attended the protest, estimates range
(02:01):
from ninety thousand to three hundred thousand, and The Guardian
has called it one of the biggest protests in Sydney's history.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
What were the stated of the protest?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So it was organized by a group called the Palestine
Action Group and The march was called March for Humanity.
It was specifically addressing the deliberate starvation of Gazans. They
said on their website. There's obviously enormous symbolism with the Hubberbridge,
and Melbourne actually had its own protest as well. But
I think the reason that these images went so global
(02:30):
was because of the iconography of the Harbour Bridge, the
power and Holly. What is the sort of state of
things in Australia Because Albanezi obviously saw this protest and
there's been news out today about AID and Australia's commitment.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, so Alba wasn't there and nor was Chrismins the
New South Wales premiere, and there was a bit of
argument and descent there because I think Chrismins asked his
ministers not to go and some of them did, but
broadly speaking it was recognized as being a big people push.
So after the march, Albanezi announced an extra twenty million
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in AID to humanitarian agencies in Gaza. Since the October
seventh tax, the Australian government has committed over one hundred
and thirty million to humanitarian assistance of civilians there. Now
that money goes to different organizations, but their agencies like
the UN World Food Program, UNICEF, the International Committee of
the Red Cross, and to bodies who are operating with
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other countries through established trade routes to try and get
the aid through. Albanese has also dialed up his rhetoric
a little bit. Today he's announced that he's trying to
get a call well it hasn't announced it, but it's
been widely reported that he's trying to get a call
with Netanya Who this week. Last week he said, we
have a humanitarian catastrophe unfolding there and Australia is willing
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to play our part. That is indeed something that is
bringing I think legitimate criticism of the actions of the
netinnja Who government. Too many innocent lives have been lost.
This is all building speculation that maybe Albanzi will be
following the lead of some other countries like the UK,
Canada and France in moving to recognize Palestine as a state.
It's actually been Labor Party policy since twenty eighteen to
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recognize Palestine as a state, and now it's being reported
it's much more of a question of not if, but when.
But the coalition meanwhile say that any recognition could only
come after a sustained period of peace, the return of
the remaining hostages, And it has to be said, there
was harrowing footage released this weekend of two of those
hostages looking emaciated. It was very distressing and the demilitization
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of Hamas Amelia. What difference will it make for Palestine
to be recognized in this way.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, so while it won't make much of a practical difference,
certainly not in the short term. I think it is
aimed at getting Ntnyahu back to the negotiating table and
getting the US back to the negotiating table too. And
there are still lots of open questions like what territory
these countries such as France and Britain and Canada, as
you mentioned, what territory are they recognizing as Palestinian and
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also who's going to govern Gaza. These are open questions.
But nonetheless, the fact that these world leaders are doing
this and are recognizing Palestine, I think indicates that there's
been an international tipping point on this issue in the
last couple of weeks, and I think it's clear that
that's been occasioned by the images of famine coming out
of Gaza. In fact, both French President Macron and British
Prime Minister Stama both mentioned those images when they announced
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that they would be recognizing a state of Palestine. And
it's interesting that the very day that President Macran made
this announcement, the United States and Israel, who were still
very much in tandem, walked away from peace talks, from
ceesfire talks and Katar Netanna who accused her mass of
not acting in good faith. But nonetheless, the ceasefire talks
have been stalled for a long time. And now the
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fact that world leaders are pressuring net Nonya, who might
mean that the parties are more willing to come to
the table and find some common ground and end this war.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
As always, for more on this story, please listen to
our twice daily news podcast, The Quickie Changing Pace. The
Logis happened last night. I know this is a characteristically
holly thing to bring. I would like to talk about
the love. You know what we don't usually see at
the logis. We usually don't see an A list star
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actively campaigning to not win the Gold Logi, which remains
even in this and we could talk for ages about
the fragmented era of television and how freedom are is
dead and blah blah blah, but people still like the logis.
People click on the logis on Mamma Mia and other
news sites. They want to see whether or not indeed
Hamish Blake was going to win. And that was this
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year's conundrum because he was the sole man nominated for
a gold among there were five women, and Hamish, has
that ever happened before. It has never happened before, and
it's usually a real sausage fest, the whole Gold Logi situation.
The other nominees were Ali Langdon, Julia Morris, Lisa Miller,
Poling yow Sonya Krueger, and Lynn McGranger. This is what
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Hamish had to say when he got up earlier in
the show before the Gold Logi was announced to present
some award with Sophie Monk. He had to say this,
we have to address the elephant in the room.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yep, yes, no, yeah, You're.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Up for the Gold Loggi along with six other women,
and it just would have been like this beautiful moment
to have all.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Women I know, I know, and then you're just like
kind of.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
There, yeah, yeah, I'm sort of like the drunk uncle
in the bridesmaid's photo, just thinking he's a legend. Yeah,
do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It's a good look if you win.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
No. No, I don't what a unique position to be
in to fear the win, because I mean, unless I'm
reading the room wrong, I just don't know if anyone's like,
let's hear it from middle aged white guys, be awesome
to see you crash through the pack. Yep, well there's
what she's thank you, seat filler.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
He just can't help himself but be adorable. Never wait, anyway,
I buried the lead because he didn't need to worry.
He did not win. Lynn McGranger one, she has been
on Home and Away for thirty three years and she's
retiring this year, and Sampang made a whole joke about
how no one knows how she's gonna let's just say die,
because she might not die, she might exit, but he
said maybe it will be in a or do you
(08:14):
mean die on the show is and everyone's assuming the
way she's going to get written out will be some
like cataclysmic event.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Better.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Pang made a gag about how it should be during
an orgie with the under twenty one of a PI
League team, but it probably won't be anyway, she won
the Gold.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I love what Lynn said in her speech about how
that show has employed writers and actors for that many years,
especially at a time when it's you know, really fickle.
It's really difficult for people to get work, and the
best TV writers that I've met work on that show
and write brilliant scripts and it pays the bills, and
like that's you know, whether you want to kind of
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make fun of the show for being a soap, like
it's been such a staple of Australian television. But on Hamish,
I just from the moment he got nominated, he said,
made the best woman win. He did not want that
award to be someone who has won enough awards, because
he's won the Gold Logi twice, all right, so he
just always gets nominated. Yeah, and he won another one
for all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Although very exciting for me because I know that maybe
this says something really tragic about the demographic that I'm in.
But a lot of my favorites got up at the
Logis last night. Muster Dogs, Hello, can you love that show? Beat,
Lego Master's Beat, all the things. Lisa Miller was up there.
She was nearly crying. It was a glorious moment for
little doggies all over the nation. Their little paws were
clapping together, and they were going out and rounding up
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extra sheep to show them their LOGI it was a
big deal.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I hope they got a bonus.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
A bonus.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh my god, I didn't even think of that. That
was my hate PNS.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Please cuttings day.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Excited about Fisk Awards and Kitty Flannagan was fabulous every
time she got up. And my mate Guy Montgomery from
guymont Spelling be got Best New Talent, which is kind
of funny because I think he's at least thirty five.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I have a brief fashion note. Hamish didn't win, but
I love to his wife's dress. Soory Foster Blake's dress.
I thought it was exceptional, conceptual.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, and I also loved that she was like, just
to be clear, I also don't want Hamish to win, like,
I don't want him anywhere near that award. And also
a shout out to Bluey most watch show in the
entire world.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Sometime was very funny. He made some great gags and
we'll be unpacking the logis in a bit more detail
on an episode for subscribers tomorrow. But he made the
edgiest joke of the night about Blue that I think
made the room go because he said it's the most
streamed children's show in America after an instructional video about
school shootings.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
He's probably not wrong.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I think that's actually quite a good joke.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Just like that couple you know who are forever breaking
up and getting back together again, the Carrie Bradshaw story
we're told is ending, but for real, this time for real.
In a statement released on Friday, the showrunner of the show,
Michael Patrick King, shared that the Sex and the City
universe would be ending with the third season of unjust
like that, which means we just have two episodes left
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to so all of our Carrie needs. In what may
or may not have been a coded message, Kim Katrell,
who played Samantha in the original series and famously sat
out and just like that, posted a picture of a
sunset on Friday night with the caption it's been a
very long week.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You know what I noticed. I'm sure we're going to
talk about what SJP posted this long tribute. But Kim
Cattrell featured in a lot of the imagery in that
that she posted was nice.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Okay, Okay, I feel like you want to believe that
Sarah Jessica Parker is reaching out to came in that.
I also noticed I was interested in whether she was
depicting Chris Noth at all big in the montage, and
he made it in twice.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Over the weekend, though, my group chats really lit up,
not with Michael Patrick King's announcement, but with Sarah Jessica
Parker's follow up to it. It was a somewhat self
indulgent spoken word poem. I'm just going to call it
set to a montage of highly flattering picks of Carrie.
Let's just hear a little bit of it now.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
She crossed streets, avenues, rubercuns, so it seemed she broke hearts, heels, habits,
she loved, lost one, tripped.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Tripped, tripped.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
See that wasn't That wasn't Sarah Jessica Parker who wrote
that or said that that was Carrie? Like that was
so encaraged.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Okay, that's exactly the problem that I want to talk about, Jesse.
But before we get to that, I would be remiss
if I did not mention the online chatter, you know
the stuff I'm talking about, Holly, about whether the show
was jumped or whether it pushed. Basically, did HBO Max
cancel the show or did in fact Michael Patrick King
and Sarah Jessica Parker just come to this conclusion as
they were working on the final episodes of this season.
(12:51):
We'll never know the answer to that, but let's face it,
the show was horrible. Spoiler, This show was horrible and
I loved it. But Holly, I think we're in a
toxic relationship with Carrie. I couldn't help but wonder why
we are engaged in the humiliation rich of watching these women.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Look, I was very upset about this. I was very
upset about it. I woke up very early on Saturday
morning for reasons we don't need to go into. I
looked at my phone and I saw this, and then
I saw sgp's announcement. That's where i'mkay. I was like,
surely not, surely not, not that high quality, low budget show.
(13:35):
I can't be getting rid of that now. I genuinely
was upset, because you're right, it's a very typically smart
and meliately less a point to make that we were
in a toxic relationship with Carrie. I definitely am because
the thing that made me really sad about it. I'm
not going to argue that, and just like that is
brilliant prestige TV. It isn't, but it is certainly no
worse than a lot of stuff that I feel Netflix
(13:57):
every day. But I on the ending of this universe
is worth noting to me because I think that for
a generation of women, she is the fictional character I've
spent more time with than any other fiction character in
the world. If you think about all six seasons of
the TV show, which let's face it, I've watched more
than once.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
The movie recommended season six to me, and it was
a brilliant He's of television perfection.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That show was perfection the movies. That's where the rot
said in let's be honest, because when the movie's kicked in,
that's where Michael Patrick King, who look us inside as
we call him MPK, that's where MBK decided that we
needed slapstick in our lives. Remember who could forget like
Charlotte shitting herself on Holiday Mexico. Like he suddenly decided
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and I've heard him talk on the podcast that. Of course,
I also listened to every episode of his favorite thing
about the actors is that they can clown, and I say,
no clown clowning. The original show was not like that.
It was not very slapsticky. It had its moments, but anyway,
I love being with these women. So even though the
show is not amazing, I'm speaking for the people like
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me who sit and refresh on a Friday for the
show pop up, and then I indulge in it in
a nostalgic escapism that probably isn't this similar to all
the middle aged dudes who are buying their Oasis tickets
right They know these guys are past their prime. They
know the songs aren't gonna sound the same as they
did in nineteen ninety four, but this was their youth.
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These are their people. I want to know what happens
to them.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Okay, I agree with all of that, but they have
destroyed the legacy of the show. I love these women
just as much as you love these women. I want
to make that clear. But what Sarah, Jessica Parker and
MPK did with this was let their vanity and let
money get in the way of what that show meant
to so many people. I had to unlearn these characters.
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Miranda is all of a sudden a wallflower who was
incapable of confrontation. Miranda suddenly, Carrie is a sex colonist.
You can't say the word vagina, and I don't even
know what to say about Charlotte and can't myriad facial
expressions and her kind of like tad wife Upper east
Side existence. That's not what she waste.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Was always that she chased this, I thought, okay as
an art. When I saw the memes, I went, oh,
Carrie died, like because I didn't see any of that.
I don't follow m j K mp K. Honestly, I
thought she died, and I was like, Oh, that's sad.
I wonder how it happened. But then I went, this
is the show that cried finale, right because it cried
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finale after what two thousand and four. I think when
the original show season six, I thought, we said bye.
I hate it when people want me to say by
multiple times. It annoys me emotionally. Yes, that happened. Then
we watched two films. Bye the film, and then it
came back. I guarantee that there is going to be
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some other iteration, they're going to try and give us
a novel or a podcast or something. But when that
Lisa Todd Wexley's dad died for the second time, I
went come on.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
With her stepdad. I have a theory, which is I
think that what went wrong is that these three lead
actors just wanted to play themselves, and that's what went
wrong with I disagree.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I have a sneaking suspicion that Cynthia Nixon in particular
is as horrified as anybody about particularly that karaoke scene
in this most recent series, because that's not who Cynthia
Nixon is. I think blaming the women is wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I have receipts. Cynthia Nixon posted a montage on Instagram.
You know how she didn't post in it. He's a
math so clearly she's as caught up in all of
the internal drama as Sarah Jessica Parker.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But I don't think that's got anything to do with
the characterization. I think for those actors, you would be
crazy to turn it down. When MPK comes knocking with
the big bucks, right, you would be crazy to turn
it down. And I agree with you that the show's
bed come overblown One of the things I learned listening
to that podcast is the amount of money that they spend.
There is a puppet in the most recent episode that
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apparently they had to audition six different propertiers for, you know,
let's not even get into carry shoes. So I think
it's overblown. I think it's out of time. We don't
want to spend that much money on these kind of
shows anymore. And I get all that, but I for one,
will be very sad to not be hanging out with
Carrie in that bloody beautiful house anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Do you think that Sarah Jessica Parker is embarrassed by
what Escha mazzl This has turned into.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, we all know because when she was on Howard
Stern and she expressed surprise about the aid and licking
his hands seat she doesn't watch it that she doesn't
watch it, and like SJP, I think understands very much
the importance of carrying the culture. But she's a Booker
Prize judge like she's I think in her personal life
she's an intellectual, right, she is probably not following every
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episode of it just like that. So maybe it just
rather than your theory that they became who they are.
I think it's probably become too far from who they are.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I have another more pressing question about this segment, Holly,
you said earlier that you work up really early on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Why because my daughter has a job in a bakery.
She has to be there at six on the weekends.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You have to drive her.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I have to drive her minutes.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Why don't you go back to bed when you got home?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Well, look I did, but then I was in SJP.
He ruined my morning. In a minute. I've got a
scorelous royal round up for you. It's been a while
in some confusing and disturbing royal news. Prince Harry has
publicly distanced himself from the one rumor that he probably
(19:32):
should have let live. That he once punched Prince Andrew
in the face.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Was the opposite of defamation, Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Exactly, this was burnishing his questionable character and yet too
rich today from Harry to the Mail about this, let
me explain. There's a new book out about Andrew and
his family. Well, it's not actually out yet, it's about
to be out, but excerts have started being published in
the UK press. It's called entitled The Rise and Fall
(19:58):
of the House of York, and as the title might suggest,
it's not a puff piece. The journalist who wrote it's
a guy called Andrew Lownie. He's a historian and a
journal and he approached three thousand people to talk to
him about Andrew. Apparently about ten percent of them said yes,
and quite a lot of them have gone on the record,
and no one had anything nice to say. Here's a
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little assessment, just a few little snippets from it, entitled
the book says that Jeffrey Epstein told friends about Andrew,
we are both serial sex addicts. He's the only person
I have met who is more obsessed with pussy than me.
Oh wow. And then there's a whole lot of stuff
about how gross he was and inappropriate touching to everyone
from my sus to awful jokes. And then apparently he's
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also very into himself and his overstated sense of importance
about being a prince widely corroborated reports that say that
whenever he'd go in a room and everyone wouldn't stand
up to rise when he entered, because he's supposed to
do that. People are really fancy and important in the
royal family. He would say, let's try that again and
leave the room and re enter and make sure that
everyone would stand and bow. So far, so vile. But
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then there's a story in here that Andrew was bitching
to the other royals about Meghan Markele behind Harry's back
back in the day, and that at a family do
Harry called him out about it, telling him to say
it to his face if he wasn't such a coward,
and things got physical and a scuffle broke out and
Andrew apparently ended up with a bloody nose. They also
say that Andrew told Harry that his marriage to Meghan
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Markle would not last more than a month and accused
his nephew of going bonkers which is English for crazy,
and not doing any due diligence into a past. He
openly accused Meghan of being an opportunist and thought she
was too old for Harry, adding that his nephew was
making the biggest mistake of his life. This is all
supposed to be why Harry punched him in the face,
and yet today a spokesperson for Prince Harry for the
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Duke of Sussex has told People Magazine and other places
I can confirm neither of those things. A true, Prince
Harry and Prince Andrew have never had a physical fight,
nor did Prince Andrew ever make those comments about the
Duchess of Sussex to Prince Harry. My question is, among
many questions, why wouldn't Harry just let everyone believe that
he punched the worst person than the world in the
nose one of.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
The words, yeah, I don't think that was a problem.
I wouldn't have gone on the record about that. I
don't think this is horrific. What we have seen so
far from what's in this book is so damning, and
I don't think anyone had high opinions of Prince Andrew.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
And you know what's so interesting to me about it
is that this is a book getting published in the UK,
which has the strictest defamation laws of basically anywhere in
the world.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
There was a like a sports therapist, like a massage therapist.
I found what she said really damning. So she was
saying that she was in her workplace, really working with
Prince Andrew and the comments he would make to her
about her body and what sex she enjoyed and when
was the last time she had sex, Like it just
sounds like that was constant, and it's inconceivable that everyone
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around Prince Andrew didn't know, like this was clearly an
open secret. And my question, I suppose, is how it
took this long, Like did it take him falling so
far being so cast out of the Royal family?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Hasn't been cast out of the Royal family. I think
that's part of the problem here. He's still going to
church services with the family on Christmas.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I think they would like him to go away. To
your question of how is this allowed to happen? We
know that powerful, wealthy people get away with a lot, right,
and in Britain's society doesn't get any more powerful. It
gets wealthy yet, but it doesn't get any more powerful
and high status in the Royal family and their bad
behavior and inverted commerce has been tolerated and enabled and
brushed under the carpet forever, you know, since Henry the
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Eights was chopping off his wife's heads. So I think
that for a long time it was tolerated. I think
that when the legal stuff started to happen that could
not be pushed away or ignored or denied. Really about
what Prince Andrew may or may not have been doing
with Epstein and others. They've tried to make him go
away quietly, but he is clearly outraged about it and
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doesn't want to. This book is going to blow up
because one of the explanations for why Harry hasn't just
gone sure, I punched him in the nose or whatever,
like he's aw awful person. It's because he's really good
mates with Andrews. Yes, so those girls didn't ask for
their dad to be this awful human, and he's very
good friends with Eugenie. But all of that side of
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the family going to come under a very intense spotlight
with this book. It will be very interesting to see
what Chils is going to do.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I think you really landed on why Harry came out,
because what's interesting about that statement is it says, Okay,
he didn't punch him, but also Andrew didn't say these
hateful things about Megan, and I think that plays into
the idea that he doesn't want Andrew's daughters to face
any more scrutiny for things that their father didn't do,
(24:52):
because they're going to face enough for what he did do.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
They are and they are loyal to Harry. So in
the documentary, I remember they kept in a part where
Eugenie or Husu, as Harry calls her, was flying into
La to meet them. So they've managed to play both.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Sides quite well.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
The York girls, as it were, women now both married
with kids and everything. And I think that that probably
tells us why Harry didn't want to throw more fuel
on the fire. But the fire is burning, it's going
to be very hard for anyone to get out of there.
In other news, one member of the royal family appears
at least to have done something normal. Princess Ann's son
is getting married Peter Phillips, as he's known because Princess
(25:29):
Ann famously did not give her kids titles. Take note,
Harry and Meggs, They're just called Peter Phillips and Zarah
Phillips is engaged for the second time and he is
marrying NHS Nurse Harriet's Spurling, which seems on the surface
to be very normal.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I thought that, and then I read an article.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
A little dig yeah, a little bit of digging. She
is reportedly a distant relation of the Duke of Gloucester.
It is interesting that she once wrote an article for
a Christian magazine about being a single mother, and she
talks about having struggled and that resources were scarce in
that time and everything. So she certainly isn't blue blood royal.
But he's got two daughters from his first marriage. They're
(26:06):
getting married, and everybody's saying, isn't this lovely and normal?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah? Because I saw the lovely and normal commentary, and
then I went deep and I don't know what any
of these words mean. But there was a Gloucester. Is
that what it's called? Yes, there was that. There was
something about a lord of the manner of edgecoat goodness,
and there was a first cousin of Princess Alice.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
And wasn't edge coat the pile as it were if
Pemberley and in the BBC Pride and Prejudice.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Now there you go, there we go.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah. So I don't think she's your averaginess. I think
that she has some connection a little bit like, wait,
does Kate Middleton have a connection? No, she actually does, Okay,
all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so she's she's not a
total outsider normal.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, being a bit cynical because in one generation. Look,
I think it is actually kind of amazing that they
both had first marriages, they both have children, from other relationships.
It's a blended family in a way that just one
generation ago Charles was checking to see whether the Diana
was a virgin. We've come a long way, It's true.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
After the break, a forensic analysis of the viral skims
shapewear that has everyone talking and a merely is demanding
a rite of reply, and yeah, she's about to get.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
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Speaker 3 (27:33):
This thing happens on the show sometimes when a host
is an on that particular show, but they listen because
they're loyal, but they find themselves yelling, raising their voice
and saying I needed to be on that show because
everyone is apparently wrong. And this happens to listeners as well.
It's a very relatable experience. I'm sure me is doing
it right now. Emily, you had one such experience last week.
(27:54):
You were listening to a segment and you went and
hated it. You hated it, you hated it. I would
like to give you because we believe in respectful disagreement,
don't we, Holly, We do.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
We work very hard at that.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
We're very open to having our minds changed.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I like to burst in when I've been on holidays,
I'll say, Jesse Maya, listen to me.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Listen to me. Well, I would like to give you
a platform, Amelia Lester for a write of reply.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
It feels good not to be screaming into the void
as I take a neighborhood walk listening thank you for
giving me a microphone. You were talking last week about
Sydney Sweeney's American Eagle Gens campaign. Now loose as I
am to give any more attention to what is, after all,
a gen's commercial, I must because you were all wrong
(28:36):
on it. So basically, to bring you up to speed,
the Hollywood actor Sydney Sweeney modeled some genes in a
kind of riff on the Brookshields Calvin Kleine advertisements, talking
about how sexy they were and how good they looked,
and also how because she has blonde hair and blue
eyes she has good genes. And genes, of course can
be spelled two ways, and on one at least one
(28:57):
billboard for the campaign, the word genes are spelled ge
nes and then crossed out, and then genes we was
scrawled underneath it, with the implication that Sydney Sweeney is
both wearing a very nice pair of straight leg jeans
because they're back, but also she has good genetic material.
(29:18):
There's a lot of context that I think that you
all missed in saying that everyone sort of needs to
get over the outrage on this, and that is that
there's a very big, live debate happening in the United
States right now where the ads came out about who
gets to be an American, who gets to have that citizenship,
and the Trump administration is challenging birthright citizenship in the courts,
(29:40):
Immigrations and Customs enforcement is rounding up migrants wearing bandanas
over their faces, and for the first time in recorded history,
the US is going to have net zero migration this year,
which is kind of extraordinary for a country that valued
itself as a nation of people who come from other places.
And it's because that speaks to how chilled the environment
has become there. This administration is really setting a message
(30:03):
that we don't want people to come from other places
to America.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
So Here's what I'm interested in because I take everything
you say and I think on the show, we talked
about ice, and we talked about a whole lot of
policies that definitely made this ad particularly fraud. My question
is whether it was an accident that they touched on
this hot button issue or whether it was on purpose.
What do you think? Do you think American Eagle knew
that this was all bubbling and they went, let's just
(30:26):
throw something out that will make this into a viral moment.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
It's impossible to overstate how chilled it feels in the
US right now. I was just there recently, and whether
people are talking about it or not, there's a feeling
that the country is changing before everyone's eyes. Now, keep
in mind there's at least one hundred and twenty five
million Americans who hate what this administration is doing and
feel completely powerless to stop it. So when a company
(30:54):
tries to sell genes by tapping into these very sinister,
nefarious undertones that are out there, it makes you angry
because it makes you think you're trying to sell me
genes by also reminding me of these pernicious ideas that
are very much circulating around the culture at the moment,
and I hate that feeling of being manipulated and of
(31:14):
having these very real emotions fear and anxiety and real
sadness about what's happening to the country sort of be
sold back to me in the form of genes.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I will say I did think over the weekend. I
never call on celebrities to comment like I understand why
they don't, but I just thought I would really like
Sydney Sweeney to say something.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Well, she did the opposite in a sense, because what
actually came out on the weekend is that she registered
as a Republican in the US. Basically, when you register
to vote, you can pick a party. It's very different
from Australia's secret ballot sort of method, and she had
picked a Republican after Trump was nominated to run as
the Republican nominee a third time, which means she's very
(31:53):
much on board with what is happening here.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Skims is making shapeway for your face now and have
we all seen the photos? Oh yes, what was your
reaction when you first held the photos?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Stylish your surgery bondage.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Got it made me immediately self conscious about my under
gen area.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Interesting I didn't need that to make me sound conscious
about I see these videos every week. Actually, can I
wear I should ask Ruth can I wear one while
we're recording, because that would really help things for me.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And it's a little bit Handmad's tail. It also reminded
me because this is the only content I consume of
the Formula one drivers. The thing they were under their helmet.
I'm not letting you guys talk about no more, but
it's reminiscent. So what it looks like is sort of
a strap that goes under your chin. And if you've
ever seen someone after a facelift on you know, one
(32:46):
of those shows, I'm sure reality shows have it all
the time, where it's kind of the chin strap and
it goes all the way up to their head. Luckily
there's space feur ears so you can still.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Hear post surgical bandage.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Exactly right. It looks like a bed.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
It's kind of like one floor over the Corcoo's nest
meets your son's rugby garb.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Exactly yeah, Hannibal Lecter. So the product is marketed as
and this is from the website, our first ever face
innovation is here. This must have face wrap boasts our
signature sculpting fabric and features collagen yarns for ultrasoft jaw support,
velcro closures at the top and nape of the neck
(33:23):
allow for easy every day where, so you can take
it off and put it back on when you're out
about questions.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Questions easy every day where?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, so if you're at the cafe, so you don't Yeah,
so you don't get your.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Things, you meant to be a wearing it while you're asleep.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Well, Holly, it comes into colors because it looks very
silly if you have the wrong color skims on your face,
wouldn't you? And that's something that Skims has done that's
really very cool, is there is diversity and they're kind
of acknowledging. So they have one white model and one
black model and they have kind of the skims to go. Now.
The product retails for eighty eight dollars Australian. It's actually
not available here yet, sorry, Amelia. But it did sell
(34:02):
out in the US in hours, is it? Yes?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
And as also sell out like Megan's Jam or do
we think that means it was really popular?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Question? I mean, look, it absolutely was a viral sensation.
A lot of it was mocking, and then a lot
of it was saying, as someone who is very on
TikTok this, I don't know what they call it. It's
kind of like an unmasking, but I keep being served
these videos of women getting up in the morning, taking
off their mouth tape, taking off their heatless curls, taking
off there is like a bandage. I saw a sixteen
(34:32):
year old girl doing it. Recently, people are bandaging.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It started with face tape and now it's like bandaging.
And it's very much marketed at young women like jen
Z millenniums.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't actually have to worry about their jails.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yet to get a snatch sort of face.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Two things. Yeah, So the woman behind Skims, as we know,
Skims is Kim Kardashian's business, but the woman behind it
really is Emigreed. While actually her and her husband Yans
so we've talked about them on the show before, Emigreed
has this. It's really pushing her entrepreneurial credentials at the moment.
She's got a podcast that drives me a crazy, etc.
And she has spoken a lot on her publicity tours
(35:09):
recently about what makes Skims so great And what makes
the Kardashian so great to work with is that they
A they don't get in the way of the experts
who actually know what they're doing. B. They have an
amazing instinct for viral content. So who could forget the
nipple bra. Right when Kim Kardashian came out and she
was wearing the bra that had like built in nipples,
at least two news cycles about nipples. Nipples are back,
(35:30):
Remember some when Samantha had nipples and sex and the
city way we.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Would have talked about it.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Why would you want one of those? Why wouldn't you
want one of those? Oh blah blahlah leah, and that
went on and on and on, and Emmagreed said, we
sold out of those really quickly. But it was never
about the nipple bra. The nipple bro was to get
you the Skim's website and then buy something else we
were selling, and in that case it was the baby
teas that you would want your nipples to show through.
I'm grabbing my boobs as I speak because I hope
my nipples are not shown because who knows where they
are anyway. So there's that. So one of the things
(35:58):
of this we are being manipulated just as we are
by Sidney Sweeney and everyone else to talk about it
to get it moving, because everyone's like Skims Skim Skims,
look at what they do. And the other piece to
that that's very clever from Kim's pive is she doesn't
always have to be in this narrative anymore, so unlike
say a Goop, where Gwyneth still is very much if
you go to Goop's website, she still is their lead model.
(36:20):
She still is their best bet at getting you to
buy a really expensive cashmere jumpers if she's wearing it.
Skims have been very good strategically at jumping on other
people and getting them into the campaigns, whether they're white,
load of stars, whether it's a pop star, whether it's
someone else, and building it beyond Kim. So every time
they release something that seems strange and viral and out
of this world, my immediate mintenna I go up and
(36:41):
go what are they really trying to sell us? So
there's that.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
I think the aesthetics of it are interesting as well,
because it looks like work. I think you do sort
of goes through cycles of you want to look effortless
or you want to look like you're working, so to illustrate,
for instance, I think in the nineties it was about
you wanted to look like effortless, like Cape Moss, Like
she didn't brush her hair, she didn't wear may cuts, she.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Didn't go to bed. Yeah, she couldn't have worn one
of these if she wanted to. And then straight from
the club.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Very much in tandem with the rise the Kardashians. I
think now beauty we actually want to or the fashion
is to telegraph how much work you've put into the
way you look. So that's why contouring has been around
for a few years now. Contrary is not about a
natural look. It's about I spent time on this, and
when I look at that face bandage, I think it's
(37:28):
all about celebrating work, putting work into beauty. Now, whether
that's a good thing or not, it's probably a bad thing,
but it's designed to look a little bit utilitarian, a
little bit ugly. So this is my theory.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I was going deep on this and I was thinking
about what you said wholly about there always trying to
sell something else, and I was going, what is this about?
Because what they've managed to do is, I must say,
the first time I saw this image, I was horrified, confused, interested,
and by the time it popped up on my feed
today started to look relatively normal because of how many
times I'd see the image. So we are normalizing these
(38:00):
sort of face sculpting things.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
And I thought.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
About a few weeks ago, we were talking about the
Kardashians and the transparency around cosmetic surgery, and how all
of a sudden, your Chloe's, your Kylie's, your crises are
saying here's what I've got done. And we were speculating,
and we went, I wonder if they are getting into clinics,
like I wonder if they're actually getting into procedures, because
(38:25):
we've seen this cultural shift towards going I got a facelift,
I'll tell you how much it was and who did it.
If so, people are going to need one of these,
Like I wonder if this is legitimately a facelift, a
surgical device that is going to be I wonder if
in ten years, walking around LA people are just going
to be wearing these, Like if we are going to
normalize the kind of postop facelift.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
That's interesting because I reckon, yes, you go to some
fancy suburbs of Sydney, and it is normalized now that
people might be wearing a bandage on a certain place,
or that their skin might be looking a certain way
from appeal or whatever. So I don't think that's beyond
the realms of possibility. Sidebar. I spoke to a women
last week for mid who does a lot of cosmetic procedures,
(39:07):
and she is furious at number of people who come
in and show Chris Jenna's facelift, because she says, show
me that without filters, show me that what it hasn't
been through at facetine. She's like, she doesn't look like that.
Nobody looks like that. Stop showing me that picture. But
you could be onto that. But I don't know if
this is surgical grade blah blah blah. But the other
thing that makes me really kind of exhausted about this
because a lot of women reacted with, oh my god,
(39:29):
another thing to worry about. And as you can tell
by the fact that I do this, I'm exhausted by
all the things I meant to be doing when I'm
asleep now, right, It used to be that sleep was rest,
but now I have to monitor the quality of it.
How many times did I wake up in the night.
I have to cover myself in twenty five layers of
stale snot I have to wear one of these I
m ask mouth tape. I have to do all these
(39:51):
things while I'm asleep, and no wonder nobody's sleeping. It's
not very RESTful.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
It was interesting because there was an article in the
Sitney Morning Herald today about the return of the idea
of sleeping on very thin, rollable mattresses, as the Japanese
have done for centuries. So enough with the sort of
optimized fluffy mattresses and perfect pillows. Just just roll out
your little thin cotton mat and then you roll it
up at the end of the night when you're done sleeping.
(40:15):
And there's a sense of people wanting to return to basics. Now.
The question was is this better than sleeping on a
full blow or mattress, and they interviewed a number of
experts who basically emoji shrugged. The truth is we still
don't know so many things about sleep. We know that
it's good to get it, we don't understand a lot
about how it works or how to optimize it. That's
because we only ever study sleep problems and not how
to get better sleep, And so I wonder if part
(40:37):
of this is that it opens the door to the
snake oil salesman like him and like Skims, to say
this is going to give you better sleep.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I was doing some research on this too, and there
are images from magazines in the nineteen twenties of women
wearing these. The idea that you would wear like a
bandage or tape is actually quite old. It's not entirely new.
I just think that the proliferation of it has been
aided by social media, which is pretty eye catching. Did
we also see the Anthony Hopkins, who obviously played Hannibal
(41:06):
Lecter in Silence of Lambs what he put on so
media wearing it?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
I have to ask does he have a robust social
media presence or is this.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Like me he jumps on every now and again and
takes the mooky out of things.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yep, here's what he said, Hello, Kim, I'm already fiving
ten years younger.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Good bye.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
My question when I saw that was is it organical paid?
Because you should say if explicitly say if it's paid.
But Dan that contributed to kind of a very big mind.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Surely the timing of it made me think it had
to be paid a.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Massive thank you out loud as that is all we've
got time for today. We're going to be back in
your ears tomorrow and of course for the rest of
the week. And thank you to our fabulous team for
putting the show together. As always, Bye bye.
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Mama Mia. Out loud. What women are actually talking about
on Monday, the fourth of August.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm Holly Waynwright, I am Jesse Stevens, and I'm Amelia Lester.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
In case you missed it, our MEA's on long service leave,
and so Amelia Lester is here.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
So Maya has been on the show for ten years.
Apparently that entitles her to long service sleep. I will say,
how long you've been at the company, Holly.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Don't try and get rid of me that easily.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I've been at the company for ten years and I'm
starting to bang my I think we should go to
produce a roof and say there's a few more of
us who are entitled to some late I will say,
well at.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
The door, exactly after her, No, I'm staying here. You'll
have to one gloom me from my seat. On today's show, are.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
We in a toxic relationship with Carrie Bradshaw? I asked
this important question as ands like that comes to end.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Prince Harry Fretn's legal action over a story that he
should definitely just have led us all believe because it
made him look really good.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And the latest shapewear for your face. Sometimes when I'm prepping,
I come across a theory that is so brilliant and
explosive that I think I can't wait to tell you
both and I have cracked why this has gone viral
and what the aim here is, what the marketing ployer is.
I can't wait to tell you, But first images of
tens of thousands of Sydney Siders marching across the Harbor
(01:39):
Bridge have gone global after a historic pro Palestine demonstration
over the weekend. High profile figures like Julian Assang, Craig Foster,
Bob Carr and Antoinette Latoufe all attended, along with politicians Labor,
Federal MP Ed Husick and Green Senator Maureen Ferruki. In
terms of how many people attended the protest, estimates range
(02:01):
from ninety thousand to three hundred thousand, and The Guardian
has called it one of the biggest protests in Sydney's history.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
What were the stated of the protest?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So it was organized by a group called the Palestine
Action Group and The march was called March for Humanity.
It was specifically addressing the deliberate starvation of Gazans. They
said on their website. There's obviously enormous symbolism with the Hubberbridge,
and Melbourne actually had its own protest as well. But
I think the reason that these images went so global
(02:30):
was because of the iconography of the Harbour Bridge, the
power and Holly. What is the sort of state of
things in Australia Because Albanezi obviously saw this protest and
there's been news out today about AID and Australia's commitment.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, so Alba wasn't there and nor was Chrismins the
New South Wales premiere, and there was a bit of
argument and descent there because I think Chrismins asked his
ministers not to go and some of them did, but
broadly speaking it was recognized as being a big people push.
So after the march, Albanezi announced an extra twenty million
(03:05):
in AID to humanitarian agencies in Gaza. Since the October
seventh tax, the Australian government has committed over one hundred
and thirty million to humanitarian assistance of civilians there. Now
that money goes to different organizations, but their agencies like
the UN World Food Program, UNICEF, the International Committee of
the Red Cross, and to bodies who are operating with
(03:27):
other countries through established trade routes to try and get
the aid through. Albanese has also dialed up his rhetoric
a little bit. Today he's announced that he's trying to
get a call well it hasn't announced it, but it's
been widely reported that he's trying to get a call
with Netanya Who this week. Last week he said, we
have a humanitarian catastrophe unfolding there and Australia is willing
(03:47):
to play our part. That is indeed something that is
bringing I think legitimate criticism of the actions of the
netinnja Who government. Too many innocent lives have been lost.
This is all building speculation that maybe Albanzi will be
following the lead of some other countries like the UK,
Canada and France in moving to recognize Palestine as a state.
It's actually been Labor Party policy since twenty eighteen to
(04:11):
recognize Palestine as a state, and now it's being reported
it's much more of a question of not if, but when.
But the coalition meanwhile say that any recognition could only
come after a sustained period of peace, the return of
the remaining hostages, And it has to be said, there
was harrowing footage released this weekend of two of those
hostages looking emaciated. It was very distressing and the demilitization
(04:36):
of Hamas Amelia. What difference will it make for Palestine
to be recognized in this way.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Yeah, so while it won't make much of a practical difference,
certainly not in the short term. I think it is
aimed at getting Ntnyahu back to the negotiating table and
getting the US back to the negotiating table too. And
there are still lots of open questions like what territory
these countries such as France and Britain and Canada, as
you mentioned, what territory are they recognizing as Palestinian and
(05:02):
also who's going to govern Gaza. These are open questions.
But nonetheless, the fact that these world leaders are doing
this and are recognizing Palestine, I think indicates that there's
been an international tipping point on this issue in the
last couple of weeks, and I think it's clear that
that's been occasioned by the images of famine coming out
of Gaza. In fact, both French President Macron and British
Prime Minister Stama both mentioned those images when they announced
(05:25):
that they would be recognizing a state of Palestine. And
it's interesting that the very day that President Macran made
this announcement, the United States and Israel, who were still
very much in tandem, walked away from peace talks, from
ceesfire talks and Katar Netanna who accused her mass of
not acting in good faith. But nonetheless, the ceasefire talks
have been stalled for a long time. And now the
(05:46):
fact that world leaders are pressuring net Nonya, who might
mean that the parties are more willing to come to
the table and find some common ground and end this war.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
As always, for more on this story, please listen to
our twice daily news podcast, The Quickie Changing Pace. The
Logis happened last night. I know this is a characteristically
holly thing to bring. I would like to talk about
the love. You know what we don't usually see at
the logis. We usually don't see an A list star
(06:14):
actively campaigning to not win the Gold Logi, which remains
even in this and we could talk for ages about
the fragmented era of television and how freedom are is
dead and blah blah blah, but people still like the logis.
People click on the logis on Mamma Mia and other
news sites. They want to see whether or not indeed
Hamish Blake was going to win. And that was this
(06:35):
year's conundrum because he was the sole man nominated for
a gold among there were five women, and Hamish, has
that ever happened before. It has never happened before, and
it's usually a real sausage fest, the whole Gold Logi situation.
The other nominees were Ali Langdon, Julia Morris, Lisa Miller,
Poling yow Sonya Krueger, and Lynn McGranger. This is what
(06:58):
Hamish had to say when he got up earlier in
the show before the Gold Logi was announced to present
some award with Sophie Monk. He had to say this,
we have to address the elephant in the room.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yep, yes, no, yeah, You're.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Up for the Gold Loggi along with six other women,
and it just would have been like this beautiful moment
to have all.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Women I know, I know, and then you're just like
kind of.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
There, yeah, yeah, I'm sort of like the drunk uncle
in the bridesmaid's photo, just thinking he's a legend. Yeah,
do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It's a good look if you win.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
No. No, I don't what a unique position to be
in to fear the win, because I mean, unless I'm
reading the room wrong, I just don't know if anyone's like,
let's hear it from middle aged white guys, be awesome
to see you crash through the pack. Yep, well there's
what she's thank you, seat filler.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
He just can't help himself but be adorable. Never wait, anyway,
I buried the lead because he didn't need to worry.
He did not win. Lynn McGranger one, she has been
on Home and Away for thirty three years and she's
retiring this year, and Sampang made a whole joke about
how no one knows how she's gonna let's just say die,
because she might not die, she might exit, but he
said maybe it will be in a or do you
(08:14):
mean die on the show is and everyone's assuming the
way she's going to get written out will be some
like cataclysmic event.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Better.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Pang made a gag about how it should be during
an orgie with the under twenty one of a PI
League team, but it probably won't be anyway, she won
the Gold.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I love what Lynn said in her speech about how
that show has employed writers and actors for that many years,
especially at a time when it's you know, really fickle.
It's really difficult for people to get work, and the
best TV writers that I've met work on that show
and write brilliant scripts and it pays the bills, and
like that's you know, whether you want to kind of
(08:56):
make fun of the show for being a soap, like
it's been such a staple of Australian television. But on Hamish,
I just from the moment he got nominated, he said,
made the best woman win. He did not want that
award to be someone who has won enough awards, because
he's won the Gold Logi twice, all right, so he
just always gets nominated. Yeah, and he won another one
for all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Although very exciting for me because I know that maybe
this says something really tragic about the demographic that I'm in.
But a lot of my favorites got up at the
Logis last night. Muster Dogs, Hello, can you love that show? Beat,
Lego Master's Beat, all the things. Lisa Miller was up there.
She was nearly crying. It was a glorious moment for
little doggies all over the nation. Their little paws were
clapping together, and they were going out and rounding up
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extra sheep to show them their LOGI it was a
big deal.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I hope they got a bonus.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
A bonus.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh my god, I didn't even think of that. That
was my hate PNS.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Please cuttings day.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Excited about Fisk Awards and Kitty Flannagan was fabulous every
time she got up. And my mate Guy Montgomery from
guymont Spelling be got Best New Talent, which is kind
of funny because I think he's at least thirty five.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I have a brief fashion note. Hamish didn't win, but
I love to his wife's dress. Soory Foster Blake's dress.
I thought it was exceptional, conceptual.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, and I also loved that she was like, just
to be clear, I also don't want Hamish to win, like,
I don't want him anywhere near that award. And also
a shout out to Bluey most watch show in the
entire world.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Sometime was very funny. He made some great gags and
we'll be unpacking the logis in a bit more detail
on an episode for subscribers tomorrow. But he made the
edgiest joke of the night about Blue that I think
made the room go because he said it's the most
streamed children's show in America after an instructional video about
school shootings.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
He's probably not wrong.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I think that's actually quite a good joke.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Just like that couple you know who are forever breaking
up and getting back together again, the Carrie Bradshaw story
we're told is ending, but for real, this time for real.
In a statement released on Friday, the showrunner of the show,
Michael Patrick King, shared that the Sex and the City
universe would be ending with the third season of unjust
like that, which means we just have two episodes left
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to so all of our Carrie needs. In what may
or may not have been a coded message, Kim Katrell,
who played Samantha in the original series and famously sat
out and just like that, posted a picture of a
sunset on Friday night with the caption it's been a
very long week.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You know what I noticed. I'm sure we're going to
talk about what SJP posted this long tribute. But Kim
Cattrell featured in a lot of the imagery in that
that she posted was nice.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Okay, Okay, I feel like you want to believe that
Sarah Jessica Parker is reaching out to came in that.
I also noticed I was interested in whether she was
depicting Chris Noth at all big in the montage, and
he made it in twice.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Over the weekend, though, my group chats really lit up,
not with Michael Patrick King's announcement, but with Sarah Jessica
Parker's follow up to it. It was a somewhat self
indulgent spoken word poem. I'm just going to call it
set to a montage of highly flattering picks of Carrie.
Let's just hear a little bit of it now.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
She crossed streets, avenues, rubercuns, so it seemed she broke hearts, heels, habits,
she loved, lost one, tripped.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Tripped, tripped.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
See that wasn't That wasn't Sarah Jessica Parker who wrote
that or said that that was Carrie? Like that was
so encaraged.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Okay, that's exactly the problem that I want to talk about, Jesse.
But before we get to that, I would be remiss
if I did not mention the online chatter, you know
the stuff I'm talking about, Holly, about whether the show
was jumped or whether it pushed. Basically, did HBO Max
cancel the show or did in fact Michael Patrick King
and Sarah Jessica Parker just come to this conclusion as
they were working on the final episodes of this season.
(12:51):
We'll never know the answer to that, but let's face it,
the show was horrible. Spoiler, This show was horrible and
I loved it. But Holly, I think we're in a
toxic relationship with Carrie. I couldn't help but wonder why
we are engaged in the humiliation rich of watching these women.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Look, I was very upset about this. I was very
upset about it. I woke up very early on Saturday
morning for reasons we don't need to go into. I
looked at my phone and I saw this, and then
I saw sgp's announcement. That's where i'mkay. I was like,
surely not, surely not, not that high quality, low budget show.
(13:35):
I can't be getting rid of that now. I genuinely
was upset, because you're right, it's a very typically smart
and meliately less a point to make that we were
in a toxic relationship with Carrie. I definitely am because
the thing that made me really sad about it. I'm
not going to argue that, and just like that is
brilliant prestige TV. It isn't, but it is certainly no
worse than a lot of stuff that I feel Netflix
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every day. But I on the ending of this universe
is worth noting to me because I think that for
a generation of women, she is the fictional character I've
spent more time with than any other fiction character in
the world. If you think about all six seasons of
the TV show, which let's face it, I've watched more
than once.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
The movie recommended season six to me, and it was
a brilliant He's of television perfection.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That show was perfection the movies. That's where the rot
said in let's be honest, because when the movie's kicked in,
that's where Michael Patrick King, who look us inside as
we call him MPK, that's where MBK decided that we
needed slapstick in our lives. Remember who could forget like
Charlotte shitting herself on Holiday Mexico. Like he suddenly decided
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and I've heard him talk on the podcast that. Of course,
I also listened to every episode of his favorite thing
about the actors is that they can clown, and I say,
no clown clowning. The original show was not like that.
It was not very slapsticky. It had its moments, but anyway,
I love being with these women. So even though the
show is not amazing, I'm speaking for the people like
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me who sit and refresh on a Friday for the
show pop up, and then I indulge in it in
a nostalgic escapism that probably isn't this similar to all
the middle aged dudes who are buying their Oasis tickets
right They know these guys are past their prime. They
know the songs aren't gonna sound the same as they
did in nineteen ninety four, but this was their youth.
(15:26):
These are their people. I want to know what happens
to them.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Okay, I agree with all of that, but they have
destroyed the legacy of the show. I love these women
just as much as you love these women. I want
to make that clear. But what Sarah, Jessica Parker and
MPK did with this was let their vanity and let
money get in the way of what that show meant
to so many people. I had to unlearn these characters.
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Miranda is all of a sudden a wallflower who was
incapable of confrontation. Miranda suddenly, Carrie is a sex colonist.
You can't say the word vagina, and I don't even
know what to say about Charlotte and can't myriad facial
expressions and her kind of like tad wife Upper east
Side existence. That's not what she waste.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Was always that she chased this, I thought, okay as
an art. When I saw the memes, I went, oh,
Carrie died, like because I didn't see any of that.
I don't follow m j K mp K. Honestly, I
thought she died, and I was like, Oh, that's sad.
I wonder how it happened. But then I went, this
is the show that cried finale, right because it cried
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finale after what two thousand and four. I think when
the original show season six, I thought, we said bye.
I hate it when people want me to say by
multiple times. It annoys me emotionally. Yes, that happened. Then
we watched two films. Bye the film, and then it
came back. I guarantee that there is going to be
(16:54):
some other iteration, they're going to try and give us
a novel or a podcast or something. But when that
Lisa Todd Wexley's dad died for the second time, I
went come on.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
With her stepdad. I have a theory, which is I
think that what went wrong is that these three lead
actors just wanted to play themselves, and that's what went
wrong with I disagree.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I have a sneaking suspicion that Cynthia Nixon in particular
is as horrified as anybody about particularly that karaoke scene
in this most recent series, because that's not who Cynthia
Nixon is. I think blaming the women is wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I have receipts. Cynthia Nixon posted a montage on Instagram.
You know how she didn't post in it. He's a
math so clearly she's as caught up in all of
the internal drama as Sarah Jessica Parker.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But I don't think that's got anything to do with
the characterization. I think for those actors, you would be
crazy to turn it down. When MPK comes knocking with
the big bucks, right, you would be crazy to turn
it down. And I agree with you that the show's
bed come overblown One of the things I learned listening
to that podcast is the amount of money that they spend.
There is a puppet in the most recent episode that
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apparently they had to audition six different propertiers for, you know,
let's not even get into carry shoes. So I think
it's overblown. I think it's out of time. We don't
want to spend that much money on these kind of
shows anymore. And I get all that, but I for one,
will be very sad to not be hanging out with
Carrie in that bloody beautiful house anymore.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Do you think that Sarah Jessica Parker is embarrassed by
what Escha mazzl This has turned into.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, we all know because when she was on Howard
Stern and she expressed surprise about the aid and licking
his hands seat she doesn't watch it that she doesn't
watch it, and like SJP, I think understands very much
the importance of carrying the culture. But she's a Booker
Prize judge like she's I think in her personal life
she's an intellectual, right, she is probably not following every
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episode of it just like that. So maybe it just
rather than your theory that they became who they are.
I think it's probably become too far from who they are.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I have another more pressing question about this segment, Holly,
you said earlier that you work up really early on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Why because my daughter has a job in a bakery.
She has to be there at six on the weekends.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You have to drive her.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I have to drive her minutes.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Why don't you go back to bed when you got home?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Well, look I did, but then I was in SJP.
He ruined my morning. In a minute. I've got a
scorelous royal round up for you. It's been a while
in some confusing and disturbing royal news. Prince Harry has
publicly distanced himself from the one rumor that he probably
(19:32):
should have let live. That he once punched Prince Andrew
in the face.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Was the opposite of defamation, Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Exactly, this was burnishing his questionable character and yet too
rich today from Harry to the Mail about this, let
me explain. There's a new book out about Andrew and
his family. Well, it's not actually out yet, it's about
to be out, but excerts have started being published in
the UK press. It's called entitled The Rise and Fall
(19:58):
of the House of York, and as the title might suggest,
it's not a puff piece. The journalist who wrote it's
a guy called Andrew Lownie. He's a historian and a
journal and he approached three thousand people to talk to
him about Andrew. Apparently about ten percent of them said yes,
and quite a lot of them have gone on the record,
and no one had anything nice to say. Here's a
(20:21):
little assessment, just a few little snippets from it, entitled
the book says that Jeffrey Epstein told friends about Andrew,
we are both serial sex addicts. He's the only person
I have met who is more obsessed with pussy than me.
Oh wow. And then there's a whole lot of stuff
about how gross he was and inappropriate touching to everyone
from my sus to awful jokes. And then apparently he's
(20:44):
also very into himself and his overstated sense of importance
about being a prince widely corroborated reports that say that
whenever he'd go in a room and everyone wouldn't stand
up to rise when he entered, because he's supposed to
do that. People are really fancy and important in the
royal family. He would say, let's try that again and
leave the room and re enter and make sure that
everyone would stand and bow. So far, so vile. But
(21:08):
then there's a story in here that Andrew was bitching
to the other royals about Meghan Markele behind Harry's back
back in the day, and that at a family do
Harry called him out about it, telling him to say
it to his face if he wasn't such a coward,
and things got physical and a scuffle broke out and
Andrew apparently ended up with a bloody nose. They also
say that Andrew told Harry that his marriage to Meghan
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Markle would not last more than a month and accused
his nephew of going bonkers which is English for crazy,
and not doing any due diligence into a past. He
openly accused Meghan of being an opportunist and thought she
was too old for Harry, adding that his nephew was
making the biggest mistake of his life. This is all
supposed to be why Harry punched him in the face,
and yet today a spokesperson for Prince Harry for the
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Duke of Sussex has told People Magazine and other places
I can confirm neither of those things. A true, Prince
Harry and Prince Andrew have never had a physical fight,
nor did Prince Andrew ever make those comments about the
Duchess of Sussex to Prince Harry. My question is, among
many questions, why wouldn't Harry just let everyone believe that
he punched the worst person than the world in the
nose one of.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
The words, yeah, I don't think that was a problem.
I wouldn't have gone on the record about that. I
don't think this is horrific. What we have seen so
far from what's in this book is so damning, and
I don't think anyone had high opinions of Prince Andrew.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
And you know what's so interesting to me about it
is that this is a book getting published in the UK,
which has the strictest defamation laws of basically anywhere in
the world.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
There was a like a sports therapist, like a massage therapist.
I found what she said really damning. So she was
saying that she was in her workplace, really working with
Prince Andrew and the comments he would make to her
about her body and what sex she enjoyed and when
was the last time she had sex, Like it just
sounds like that was constant, and it's inconceivable that everyone
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around Prince Andrew didn't know, like this was clearly an
open secret. And my question, I suppose, is how it
took this long, Like did it take him falling so
far being so cast out of the Royal family?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Hasn't been cast out of the Royal family. I think
that's part of the problem here. He's still going to
church services with the family on Christmas.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I think they would like him to go away. To
your question of how is this allowed to happen? We
know that powerful, wealthy people get away with a lot, right,
and in Britain's society doesn't get any more powerful. It
gets wealthy yet, but it doesn't get any more powerful
and high status in the Royal family and their bad
behavior and inverted commerce has been tolerated and enabled and
brushed under the carpet forever, you know, since Henry the
(23:42):
Eights was chopping off his wife's heads. So I think
that for a long time it was tolerated. I think
that when the legal stuff started to happen that could
not be pushed away or ignored or denied. Really about
what Prince Andrew may or may not have been doing
with Epstein and others. They've tried to make him go
away quietly, but he is clearly outraged about it and
(24:03):
doesn't want to. This book is going to blow up
because one of the explanations for why Harry hasn't just
gone sure, I punched him in the nose or whatever,
like he's aw awful person. It's because he's really good
mates with Andrews. Yes, so those girls didn't ask for
their dad to be this awful human, and he's very
good friends with Eugenie. But all of that side of
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the family going to come under a very intense spotlight
with this book. It will be very interesting to see
what Chils is going to do.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I think you really landed on why Harry came out,
because what's interesting about that statement is it says, Okay,
he didn't punch him, but also Andrew didn't say these
hateful things about Megan, and I think that plays into
the idea that he doesn't want Andrew's daughters to face
any more scrutiny for things that their father didn't do,
(24:52):
because they're going to face enough for what he did do.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
They are and they are loyal to Harry. So in
the documentary, I remember they kept in a part where
Eugenie or Husu, as Harry calls her, was flying into
La to meet them. So they've managed to play both.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Sides quite well.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
The York girls, as it were, women now both married
with kids and everything. And I think that that probably
tells us why Harry didn't want to throw more fuel
on the fire. But the fire is burning, it's going
to be very hard for anyone to get out of there.
In other news, one member of the royal family appears
at least to have done something normal. Princess Ann's son
is getting married Peter Phillips, as he's known because Princess
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Ann famously did not give her kids titles. Take note,
Harry and Meggs, They're just called Peter Phillips and Zarah
Phillips is engaged for the second time and he is
marrying NHS Nurse Harriet's Spurling, which seems on the surface
to be very normal.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I thought that, and then I read an article.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
A little dig yeah, a little bit of digging. She
is reportedly a distant relation of the Duke of Gloucester.
It is interesting that she once wrote an article for
a Christian magazine about being a single mother, and she
talks about having struggled and that resources were scarce in
that time and everything. So she certainly isn't blue blood royal.
But he's got two daughters from his first marriage. They're
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getting married, and everybody's saying, isn't this lovely and normal?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah? Because I saw the lovely and normal commentary, and
then I went deep and I don't know what any
of these words mean. But there was a Gloucester. Is
that what it's called? Yes, there was that. There was
something about a lord of the manner of edgecoat goodness,
and there was a first cousin of Princess Alice.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
And wasn't edge coat the pile as it were if
Pemberley and in the BBC Pride and Prejudice.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Now there you go, there we go.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah. So I don't think she's your averaginess. I think
that she has some connection a little bit like, wait,
does Kate Middleton have a connection? No, she actually does, Okay,
all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so she's she's not a
total outsider normal.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, being a bit cynical because in one generation. Look,
I think it is actually kind of amazing that they
both had first marriages, they both have children, from other relationships.
It's a blended family in a way that just one
generation ago Charles was checking to see whether the Diana
was a virgin. We've come a long way, It's true.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
After the break, a forensic analysis of the viral skims
shapewear that has everyone talking and a merely is demanding
a rite of reply, and yeah, she's about to get.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
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Speaker 3 (27:33):
This thing happens on the show sometimes when a host
is an on that particular show, but they listen because
they're loyal, but they find themselves yelling, raising their voice
and saying I needed to be on that show because
everyone is apparently wrong. And this happens to listeners as well.
It's a very relatable experience. I'm sure me is doing
it right now. Emily, you had one such experience last week.
(27:54):
You were listening to a segment and you went and
hated it. You hated it, you hated it. I would
like to give you because we believe in respectful disagreement,
don't we, Holly, We do.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
We work very hard at that.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
We're very open to having our minds changed.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I like to burst in when I've been on holidays,
I'll say, Jesse Maya, listen to me.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Listen to me. Well, I would like to give you
a platform, Amelia Lester for a write of reply.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
It feels good not to be screaming into the void
as I take a neighborhood walk listening thank you for
giving me a microphone. You were talking last week about
Sydney Sweeney's American Eagle Gens campaign. Now loose as I
am to give any more attention to what is, after all,
a gen's commercial, I must because you were all wrong
(28:36):
on it. So basically, to bring you up to speed,
the Hollywood actor Sydney Sweeney modeled some genes in a
kind of riff on the Brookshields Calvin Kleine advertisements, talking
about how sexy they were and how good they looked,
and also how because she has blonde hair and blue
eyes she has good genes. And genes, of course can
be spelled two ways, and on one at least one
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billboard for the campaign, the word genes are spelled ge
nes and then crossed out, and then genes we was
scrawled underneath it, with the implication that Sydney Sweeney is
both wearing a very nice pair of straight leg jeans
because they're back, but also she has good genetic material.
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There's a lot of context that I think that you
all missed in saying that everyone sort of needs to
get over the outrage on this, and that is that
there's a very big, live debate happening in the United
States right now where the ads came out about who
gets to be an American, who gets to have that citizenship,
and the Trump administration is challenging birthright citizenship in the courts,
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Immigrations and Customs enforcement is rounding up migrants wearing bandanas
over their faces, and for the first time in recorded history,
the US is going to have net zero migration this year,
which is kind of extraordinary for a country that valued
itself as a nation of people who come from other places.
And it's because that speaks to how chilled the environment
has become there. This administration is really setting a message
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that we don't want people to come from other places
to America.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
So Here's what I'm interested in because I take everything
you say and I think on the show, we talked
about ice, and we talked about a whole lot of
policies that definitely made this ad particularly fraud. My question
is whether it was an accident that they touched on
this hot button issue or whether it was on purpose.
What do you think? Do you think American Eagle knew
that this was all bubbling and they went, let's just
(30:26):
throw something out that will make this into a viral moment.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
It's impossible to overstate how chilled it feels in the
US right now. I was just there recently, and whether
people are talking about it or not, there's a feeling
that the country is changing before everyone's eyes. Now, keep
in mind there's at least one hundred and twenty five
million Americans who hate what this administration is doing and
feel completely powerless to stop it. So when a company
(30:54):
tries to sell genes by tapping into these very sinister,
nefarious undertones that are out there, it makes you angry
because it makes you think you're trying to sell me
genes by also reminding me of these pernicious ideas that
are very much circulating around the culture at the moment,
and I hate that feeling of being manipulated and of
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having these very real emotions fear and anxiety and real
sadness about what's happening to the country sort of be
sold back to me in the form of genes.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I will say I did think over the weekend. I
never call on celebrities to comment like I understand why
they don't, but I just thought I would really like
Sydney Sweeney to say something.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Well, she did the opposite in a sense, because what
actually came out on the weekend is that she registered
as a Republican in the US. Basically, when you register
to vote, you can pick a party. It's very different
from Australia's secret ballot sort of method, and she had
picked a Republican after Trump was nominated to run as
the Republican nominee a third time, which means she's very
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much on board with what is happening here.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Skims is making shapeway for your face now and have
we all seen the photos? Oh yes, what was your
reaction when you first held the photos?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Stylish your surgery bondage.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Got it made me immediately self conscious about my under
gen area.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Interesting I didn't need that to make me sound conscious
about I see these videos every week. Actually, can I
wear I should ask Ruth can I wear one while
we're recording, because that would really help things for me.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And it's a little bit Handmad's tail. It also reminded
me because this is the only content I consume of
the Formula one drivers. The thing they were under their helmet.
I'm not letting you guys talk about no more, but
it's reminiscent. So what it looks like is sort of
a strap that goes under your chin. And if you've
ever seen someone after a facelift on you know, one
(32:46):
of those shows, I'm sure reality shows have it all
the time, where it's kind of the chin strap and
it goes all the way up to their head. Luckily
there's space feur ears so you can still.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Hear post surgical bandage.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Exactly right. It looks like a bed.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
It's kind of like one floor over the Corcoo's nest
meets your son's rugby garb.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Exactly yeah, Hannibal Lecter. So the product is marketed as
and this is from the website, our first ever face
innovation is here. This must have face wrap boasts our
signature sculpting fabric and features collagen yarns for ultrasoft jaw support,
velcro closures at the top and nape of the neck
(33:23):
allow for easy every day where, so you can take
it off and put it back on when you're out
about questions.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Questions easy every day where?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, so if you're at the cafe, so you don't Yeah,
so you don't get your.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Things, you meant to be a wearing it while you're asleep.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Well, Holly, it comes into colors because it looks very
silly if you have the wrong color skims on your face,
wouldn't you? And that's something that Skims has done that's
really very cool, is there is diversity and they're kind
of acknowledging. So they have one white model and one
black model and they have kind of the skims to go. Now.
The product retails for eighty eight dollars Australian. It's actually
not available here yet, sorry, Amelia. But it did sell
(34:02):
out in the US in hours, is it? Yes?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
And as also sell out like Megan's Jam or do
we think that means it was really popular?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Question? I mean, look, it absolutely was a viral sensation.
A lot of it was mocking, and then a lot
of it was saying, as someone who is very on
TikTok this, I don't know what they call it. It's
kind of like an unmasking, but I keep being served
these videos of women getting up in the morning, taking
off their mouth tape, taking off their heatless curls, taking
off there is like a bandage. I saw a sixteen
(34:32):
year old girl doing it. Recently, people are bandaging.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
It started with face tape and now it's like bandaging.
And it's very much marketed at young women like jen
Z millenniums.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't actually have to worry about their jails.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yet to get a snatch sort of face.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Two things. Yeah, So the woman behind Skims, as we know,
Skims is Kim Kardashian's business, but the woman behind it
really is Emigreed. While actually her and her husband Yans
so we've talked about them on the show before, Emigreed
has this. It's really pushing her entrepreneurial credentials at the moment.
She's got a podcast that drives me a crazy, etc.
And she has spoken a lot on her publicity tours
(35:09):
recently about what makes Skims so great And what makes
the Kardashian so great to work with is that they
A they don't get in the way of the experts
who actually know what they're doing. B. They have an
amazing instinct for viral content. So who could forget the
nipple bra. Right when Kim Kardashian came out and she
was wearing the bra that had like built in nipples,
at least two news cycles about nipples. Nipples are back,
(35:30):
Remember some when Samantha had nipples and sex and the
city way we.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Would have talked about it.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Why would you want one of those? Why wouldn't you
want one of those? Oh blah blahlah leah, and that
went on and on and on, and Emmagreed said, we
sold out of those really quickly. But it was never
about the nipple bra. The nipple bro was to get
you the Skim's website and then buy something else we
were selling, and in that case it was the baby
teas that you would want your nipples to show through.
I'm grabbing my boobs as I speak because I hope
my nipples are not shown because who knows where they
are anyway. So there's that. So one of the things
(35:58):
of this we are being manipulated just as we are
by Sidney Sweeney and everyone else to talk about it
to get it moving, because everyone's like Skims Skim Skims,
look at what they do. And the other piece to
that that's very clever from Kim's pive is she doesn't
always have to be in this narrative anymore, so unlike
say a Goop, where Gwyneth still is very much if
you go to Goop's website, she still is their lead model.
(36:20):
She still is their best bet at getting you to
buy a really expensive cashmere jumpers if she's wearing it.
Skims have been very good strategically at jumping on other
people and getting them into the campaigns, whether they're white,
load of stars, whether it's a pop star, whether it's
someone else, and building it beyond Kim. So every time
they release something that seems strange and viral and out
of this world, my immediate mintenna I go up and
(36:41):
go what are they really trying to sell us? So
there's that.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
I think the aesthetics of it are interesting as well,
because it looks like work. I think you do sort
of goes through cycles of you want to look effortless
or you want to look like you're working, so to illustrate,
for instance, I think in the nineties it was about
you wanted to look like effortless, like Cape Moss, Like
she didn't brush her hair, she didn't wear may cuts, she.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Didn't go to bed. Yeah, she couldn't have worn one
of these if she wanted to. And then straight from
the club.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Very much in tandem with the rise the Kardashians. I
think now beauty we actually want to or the fashion
is to telegraph how much work you've put into the
way you look. So that's why contouring has been around
for a few years now. Contrary is not about a
natural look. It's about I spent time on this, and
when I look at that face bandage, I think it's
(37:28):
all about celebrating work, putting work into beauty. Now, whether
that's a good thing or not, it's probably a bad thing,
but it's designed to look a little bit utilitarian, a
little bit ugly. So this is my theory.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I was going deep on this and I was thinking
about what you said wholly about there always trying to
sell something else, and I was going, what is this about?
Because what they've managed to do is, I must say,
the first time I saw this image, I was horrified, confused, interested,
and by the time it popped up on my feed
today started to look relatively normal because of how many
times I'd see the image. So we are normalizing these
(38:00):
sort of face sculpting things.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
And I thought.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
About a few weeks ago, we were talking about the
Kardashians and the transparency around cosmetic surgery, and how all
of a sudden, your Chloe's, your Kylie's, your crises are
saying here's what I've got done. And we were speculating,
and we went, I wonder if they are getting into clinics,
like I wonder if they're actually getting into procedures, because
(38:25):
we've seen this cultural shift towards going I got a facelift,
I'll tell you how much it was and who did it.
If so, people are going to need one of these,
Like I wonder if this is legitimately a facelift, a
surgical device that is going to be I wonder if
in ten years, walking around LA people are just going
to be wearing these, Like if we are going to
normalize the kind of postop facelift.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
That's interesting because I reckon, yes, you go to some
fancy suburbs of Sydney, and it is normalized now that
people might be wearing a bandage on a certain place,
or that their skin might be looking a certain way
from appeal or whatever. So I don't think that's beyond
the realms of possibility. Sidebar. I spoke to a women
last week for mid who does a lot of cosmetic procedures,
(39:07):
and she is furious at number of people who come
in and show Chris Jenna's facelift, because she says, show
me that without filters, show me that what it hasn't
been through at facetine. She's like, she doesn't look like that.
Nobody looks like that. Stop showing me that picture. But
you could be onto that. But I don't know if
this is surgical grade blah blah blah. But the other
thing that makes me really kind of exhausted about this
because a lot of women reacted with, oh my god,
(39:29):
another thing to worry about. And as you can tell
by the fact that I do this, I'm exhausted by
all the things I meant to be doing when I'm
asleep now, right, It used to be that sleep was rest,
but now I have to monitor the quality of it.
How many times did I wake up in the night.
I have to cover myself in twenty five layers of
stale snot I have to wear one of these I
m ask mouth tape. I have to do all these
(39:51):
things while I'm asleep, and no wonder nobody's sleeping. It's
not very RESTful.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
It was interesting because there was an article in the
Sitney Morning Herald today about the return of the idea
of sleeping on very thin, rollable mattresses, as the Japanese
have done for centuries. So enough with the sort of
optimized fluffy mattresses and perfect pillows. Just just roll out
your little thin cotton mat and then you roll it
up at the end of the night when you're done sleeping.
(40:15):
And there's a sense of people wanting to return to basics. Now.
The question was is this better than sleeping on a
full blow or mattress, and they interviewed a number of
experts who basically emoji shrugged. The truth is we still
don't know so many things about sleep. We know that
it's good to get it, we don't understand a lot
about how it works or how to optimize it. That's
because we only ever study sleep problems and not how
to get better sleep, And so I wonder if part
(40:37):
of this is that it opens the door to the
snake oil salesman like him and like Skims, to say
this is going to give you better sleep.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I was doing some research on this too, and there
are images from magazines in the nineteen twenties of women
wearing these. The idea that you would wear like a
bandage or tape is actually quite old. It's not entirely new.
I just think that the proliferation of it has been
aided by social media, which is pretty eye catching. Did
we also see the Anthony Hopkins, who obviously played Hannibal
(41:06):
Lecter in Silence of Lambs what he put on so
media wearing it?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
I have to ask does he have a robust social
media presence or is this.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Like me he jumps on every now and again and
takes the mooky out of things.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yep, here's what he said, Hello, Kim, I'm already fiving
ten years younger.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Good bye.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
My question when I saw that was is it organical paid?
Because you should say if explicitly say if it's paid.
But Dan that contributed to kind of a very big mind.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Surely the timing of it made me think it had
to be paid a.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Massive thank you out loud as that is all we've
got time for today. We're going to be back in
your ears tomorrow and of course for the rest of
the week. And thank you to our fabulous team for
putting the show together. As always, Bye bye.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
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If you love the show and you want to support us,
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Speaker 5 (42:09):
And the play been resting to dest
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