Katy’s Baby & A ‘Divisive’ Wedding Dress: 2026 Predictions

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
On Friday, the nineteenth of December, out louders, this is
your last normal programming show for twenty twenty five. Over
the summer, there are going to be lots of little
treats dropping in your feed, including, of course our iconic
word of the Year.

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Episode Yes Yes, and some very exciting recommendation episodes where
we give you additional recommendations for the summer period.

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Yeah.

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So all of that is happening.

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But this is our last regular show for twenty twenty five,
and it's a unique one because this Friday, at the
end of an emotional and intensely distressing week for so many.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
We continue to send our love and we know out.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Louder's love and support to Australia's Jewish community and everyone
deeply affected by Sunday's attack on Sydney. And also today
my friends and I are going to end our year
how we always try to end the week with a
news free window of distraction and comfort and hopefully a
little joy. So I'm Holly Wayne Wright, I'm m Vernon,

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and I'm Jesse Stephens and for the last time in
twenty twenty five, here's what's on our agenda for today.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm desperate to talk about our predictions for twenty twenty
six and we are going to revisit some twenty twenty
five predictions we had.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Some came true, some didn't. Some of us, it appears,
are a lot better at predictions.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Than We're also going to give you our recos for
the week. We have two podcasts and a very sexy
TV show And.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I don't want to add to your end of year
to do list, but I'm going to the email you
need to write to yourself right now.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
But first, Emily Vernon, the Sydney Morning Herald came out
with a very controversial list. They took a leaflet out
of our book and they listed seven tacki Christmas traditions.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Taki Taki is a word that upsets people quite a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
As soon as I hear that word, I get on
the defense because I'm like, I know you're calling me taky,
like I identify, I self identify as taky.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I'm a feeling you might agree with some of these. Yeah, okay, okay,
let me go through the list. Putting out snacks for
Santa Claus.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
That's not taky. That just means you have children, exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think it also means that we know you just
want to eat some snacks.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Your family put out snacks for Christmas.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
No, no, I once convinced. I once convinced my dad
to do it when I was younger, and he was like,
we don't have cookies, we don't have cookies. And then
I was I just put out some carrots for the reindeer,
and I could see, like, now's inn a dult. I'm like, oh,
he just really didn't want to eat carrots. He's like, nah,
that's fine. I'm like, no, put out the carrots. Put

(03:16):
out the carrots.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
So we still do it, even though the kids are now,
you know, well past that age. It just becomes a thing.
I think Brenda will probably be doing it when they've
left home. When do you eat them? So obviously I
hope little is not listening when I mean, what we

(03:37):
do is we put them out, we hang up stockings.
We've got these stockings that the kids have we put
still do it now, it's real, and until there's nearly
sixteen on the front of the house with the snacks.
Then miraculously, sometime after the children have gone to bed
and the parents have semi drunkenly wrapped all the presents. Yes,

(03:59):
they get a big chunk taken out of them.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh bye wow slash he started early slightly pissed brows. Okay,
stop cooking dry turkey. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Look, I don't love turkey. I've never been about turkey.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think we've got to be really careful about importing
traditions that don't suit our climate at that time of year.
I think a cold lue.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
What about with some crime resauce?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
No, no, I hold with that, although it's interesting that
that's tacky, because I feel like Christmas lunch has been
like Gwinnisi fied or even even just nigellai fied in
terms of it's become much fancier than turkey. Now. I
know that the traditional Australian like Anglo Australian like ham

(04:49):
and prawns, I'm a fan, but now it seems to
be like otto lengy salads.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
And perhaps with a barbecue chio.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
So I think that they're being a bit snooty about
turkey there. But you know, also, as Jesse says, is
not the tastiest of meats.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Christmas carols, yeah, your name. How could Christmas carols be tacky?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
They're not all created equally.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like we're going to have a round now about what
constitutes a carol, aren't we? Because em once said to
me that Mariah Carey is all I want for Christmas
is a carol, that carrol.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
It's a Christmas song. Christmas carols are like Silent Night.
If it gets sung in the domain, it's a carol. Yeah,
But it's all depending, I think, on the person who
starts the carol. Because there are some people who are
really high soprano singers and they're starting a Silent Night
up here, and I need them to bring it down

(05:46):
because those Christmas carols always get higher, they do, and
they are reaching no one can hear.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah. And it's also like silent Night feels a bit depressing.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Its slow.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's a bit slow. It's a bit depressing. And that's
why you need Mariah Carey.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's not I mean, he's getting born, so it's quite nice.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah. Saying about the melody just makes me go, yeah,
it's quiet. Sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Christmas cracker jokes like the jokes in those bon bonds.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Look, I don't like the waist of bonbon, I don't
like the silly hats, I don't like the cleanup, and I.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Don't like the jokes. They're never funny. They do they
bring us together? Do that?

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Or are they just additional additional wist? Like I'm not
about them.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I know that you're right about waste. But you can't
have too many bon bons at Christmas. We call them
crackers in England. You can't have too many crackers at Christmas.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
You have to have lots of them in England. Do
you have jokes in your crackers?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, really bad dad jokes. I think
it's where Brent got most of his inspiration from for them.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
The worst is when there's just a piece of plastic
in it that has no purpose, that's just designed to
kill a tur.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I know you're right.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
The thing is, like with the lunches, a lot of
Christmas crackers or bombons have gotten quite posh.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Now. Mega Markle on her show, she was making the
bombon and just putting so much stuff in it. It
was like confetti and Lolly's and all of this stuff.
Like I know, if you just open it, it will just
be so many things just everywhere. Okay, what about punch bowls?
I also feel like this is quite American. It'sunsky.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I mean, that's quite plassy. Can you put the pitch
diesel in the punch bowl with some ice cubes?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Asking for a friend?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
What I worry about with the punch bowl is that
it will get again. Is it appropriate for the climate,
because it's gonna be hot, it's gonna get sticky, and
you make a big bowl of punch. Has anyone ever
seen a bowl of punch get down to the bottom?
Or do we have a few cups and then you've
just got an enormous amount of waste can't really be repurposed.

(07:51):
Also knows how many standard drinks are in it? So
if I have to drive or something to stay away
from that exactly. Someone I said, I remember last Christmas
going what's in the punch? And they were just like,
could be eleven standard drinks?

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah? Well I punch. People get so drunk from it.
And every time I've experienced a punch bowl. For some
weird reason, the ladle goes missing, and then you'll see people.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Full fisting an exactly the hand I just steel like
flies like.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
It's very sticky, it very stacky. Weird. We deem it tacky. Okay,
being woken up by the kids way too early.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Obviously this is just tacky. That's annoying, but it's also
part of the course.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah, this is annoying.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Okay. And the last one, grinches. I think grinches are tacky.
I saw something.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
This is maybe a tangent, but I saw someone say
the other day, tell me that you love Christmas unconditionally,
and I would know that you came from an uncomplicated
family of origins.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
So true, And I think that's true.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Perhaps I know that your family loved you, so true.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
So Christmas can bring out all kinds of things for
lots of different reasons, can't they. So some people our
grinch is for good reason. But if you're just being
a grinch to be cool, no, that's techno.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Can I add one? Yes? I'm really if I have kids.
Before I have kids, I need you guys to end
elf on the shelf.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Okay, I haven't started it, well done, I can't do
I said to Lucas, should we have done elf on
the shelf?

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Holly? Did you do it?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
But when did it start? Because I never did that
as a I didn't either.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
It was a relatively recent phenomena and it's a commercialized
Jesse wouldn't like it, obviously.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's a commercialized trying.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
To make you think about the Yeah, well, actually it's
good because you could recycle them for like twenty years when.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
You lose it every year.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Well, that's true.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
You could do it with anything. You could do it
with a stuffed toy. You could do it with anything.
Because the whole idea is just it appears on January
the first, moves around the house throughout the month, and
then disappears on Christmas. E.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I'll deal with that. I'll find what's hilarious. Again.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
This is the thing about Christmas traditions that people may
deemed tacky. Is like, my kids are teenagers, like but
still this year I tried to have a civilized conversation
with them and I said, do we really think the
elves are coming this year?

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Because we have two Mummy's burnt out?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You have two elves?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, lots of people, do we have two elves. I said,
do you really think the elves are coming this year?
And they both said yes. And then of course she
can't break a little heart at Christmas, a little almost
sixteen year old mecha wearing you just have to go sure, darling,
it's Christmas.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
The point of Christmas is tackiness. We love a bit
of tacky at Christmas.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I want to bring your attention to an idea I
believe to be genius. Maggie Oldison is a journal She
was for ages.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
She was a fashion writer.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
She wrote a very famous column in the Sydney Morning
Herald for years about fashion. But she's actually English and
she lives in England now and she writes books and
does lots of things. She also has a newsletter that's
pretty popular. And this year she wrote one of her
substacts was called the Letter to write for yourself next
Festive Season, and she wrote that she at the end

(11:17):
of last year's holidays, she wrote herself an email full
of advice for this year's holidays and sent it to
be then sent it with a scheduled delivery time for
November the first. I wouldn't even know how that's fair
to walk through fair and then she forgot all about it,
as you do, and then on November the first, this

(11:39):
missive of wisdom dropped in her inbox. I think this
is genius. Now Maggie's because at the moment she's had
one of those very typical midlife years of health. So
she's like got started going to the gym and she's
only eating.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Paleo shit and whatever.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I don't know, so hers is a lot about that.
Don't overindulge, but yours could be about anything. Here are
a couple of examples of the things that were in
Maggie's newsletter. Dear Idiot. It starts the shops are shot
for two days. It is not a siege situation. In fact,
some shops are open on Christmas Day. You are not
going to run out of milk. So obviously the point

(12:16):
is like, don't go crazy at the shops. Don't do
what you did last year and buy enough cheese for
a Buckingham Pallace state banquet. Exercise restraint. Don't feel guilty
if you want to spend all of December the twenty
seventh in bed reading your Christmas book. It's the weirdest
day of the year, and it's a matter of getting
through it. Don't forget the ingredients for the mandatory coalslaw

(12:37):
for December twenty seventh dinner, and hopefully the ham won't
be so dry this year if you're using this recipe.
And she put the recipe in so you get the picture.
She's like reminding her festive self of all the things
you do at Christmas that make Christmas hard.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I thought, what a genius idea.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Because every year we all zombie walk into this time
of year just like AH and really stressed out. So
I was thinking about what would be on my list,
and then I thought we could open it out other
occasions throughout the year, that it might be good to
send yourself an email.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
For all we down. Yeah, what would be on your
Christmas ey lists?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Your festivest Okay, November one, I need an email to
drop in my inbox that says, Jesse book in your hair.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
You need to get your.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Hair colored and cut for Christmas Friday. The nineteenth of
December is not the time to realize that you need
to get ahead of it. Also, buy less gifts, I
think because I just panic because it's Christmas Eve, and
I just end up buying everyone gifts because I feel
guilty and I have no system.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Do you buy the extra ones in case you forgot?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, like random little whacker candle where I just got,
I'll give that to the person I forgot.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
I would also go, oh, I.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Want to keep a Christmas slash Birthday wish list throughout
the year of things I say that I want, rather
than at the last minute being like, oh, I don't
know what I want.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Then just like being disappointed.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Because that will cut down on wast exactly exactly, but
more than anything, you know, the big thing I would
tell myself is slow down, take it in and when
you sit around your Christmas lunch table, look around because

(14:24):
everyone might not be there next year, Like I would
remind myself of that, and just to have a moment
on the day where you go, there is a chance
for my family not everyone will be sitting there. And
I would also say take more photos. I'm looking back
going did.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
I take enough photos last Christmas?

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Of that last because it's never going to be like
that again. How about you, em what would you say?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Okay, I've done something similar to this letter thing in
the past and it really burned me. So I'm quite
worried about this because we had to do the same
thing in high school where we were asked to write
a letter to ourselves when we were in year eleven
and we would get the letter sent to us after
we got our year twelve results, so like a year
in advance, okay, And my letter is so sad because

(15:08):
it was like, I know, you're at least going to
get an eighty percent eightar, and then the whole letter
was everything backed on that, and she's like, and when
you get your ETAR, you're going to get into that
media degree you always wanted because it needs at least
eighty and you're going to study so hard and you're
going to do it. I can't wait to see, like
how happy you are. And I didn't get that. Oh
I got like seventy one. The whole letter was just

(15:28):
like and then because of your ETAR, you'll be allowed
to go here because Mum and Dad said you could
do it. And I was just like, oh my god,
I ripped it up and I put it over. Okay,
that's a lesson in this isn't it? Okay?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
There can be no goals, no goals, So this is
not the kind of letter that's like, by now you
will have I don't know learn how to lift a thousand.
I don't know how weightlifting works, but yeah, a million key.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Like a weight goal or a you know, anything external.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
It can't be that kind of stuff. So it's more
about reminding yourself what not to do.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, what I won't do. I would tell myself, don't
get in a relationship now, because I'll break up with
you on January twenty, which has happened to me twice.
Happened to be twice, same work.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
They're back into the swing of things.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I think they're starting to realize Valentine's Day is coming up,
and they're like, I can't do this again with this girl,
so I'm going to end it now.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Maybe they're like, I don't want to give her the
false hope of a Valentine's Day.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, so maybe it's a recession indicator. They don't have
enough money forking, so I hope.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
So I also had like do maintenance stuff before, like
in November. Yeah, like nails, hair, everything, eat bread. I
always just don't eat bread and Christmas because I'm like, oh,
new Year, I want to feel really good, and then
I regret it. Red rose tastes the best during Christmas.
That was on my list except for cheese.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I was like, you know how, Maggie Elderson's was like,
don't eat all the cheese. Mine is eat all the cheese.
You really really like cheese. So Christmas Day is not
the day to deprive yourself of cheese. And Norah's Boxing Day,
those days go hard on the cheese.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
So unlike Maggie, I went, I need to be reminded
that on Christmas night, when you get home, you need
something in the fridge because you get home you actually
are hungry, even though you've been eating all day. Your
brain's confused because it goes, well, haven't technically had.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
A meal in a few hours.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
I had a lot of alcohol, and you've had well,
or you've just been snacking on crap and you open
the fridge and guess what, there's nothing there. There's just
a few yuky crackers. So you do need some food
in the fridge.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I think think of the late night Christmas Day supper.
I also had be less nice and more kind. Oh
I want to hear this, there's difference between nice and kind.
I feel like a lot of times we think nice
is such a good way to describe someone, and I
feel like we only describe people as nice, so we
don't really know who they are. And I think we

(17:46):
think we owe people niceness when we don't. But I
do think we owe people kindness. This is some really
good wisdom. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's so interesting because I noticed in my daughter but
not in my son, surprise surprise, that she always wants
to know is so and so nice? Like you know,
maybe there's like a new teacher or this somebody is
going to be her boss or whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Like she'll be like, are they nice? It's her number
one question.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
And that's the trick because yes, like so they're not
going to come out and be.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Like, that's not a question I ask anymore.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Really it's true, and you're like it is.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I think maybe I they kind is a better question
because you don't have to be nice all the time.
In fact, we don't like fake nicety. But if somebody
isn't kind, you can really sense in them, ah, they
are not a good person.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah, there's a way as well, through the Christmas period
to go through all the niceties, but there's a depth
to kindness.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
I think that could.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I think kind of shows who you are as a person.
But everyone can like fake be nice?

Speaker 4 (18:54):
How about you, Holly? What else is on your list
for Christmas?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
So my Christmas one was wrapping paper. There's never too
much wrapping paper. We do not want to repeat the
Great Toys in newspaper Debacle of Christmas Eve twenty twenty one,
Brent and I. And it's become a point of pride now.
And I know this makes my more out my more
Taipei friends very uncomfortable. But I don't wrap any presents

(19:17):
before Christmas Eve and then the kids go to bed
or that this is becoming a problem because they go
to bed later and we put on attacking Christmas movie,
drink some wine and wrap all the gifts.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Right, That's what we do. I do that and often
and do you quite like it? I really like it.
The only problem when it's not.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
When I don't like it is if you really left
it too late, or maybe someone's had a little too
much wine and the gift tags get a little bit
like yeah, a little thing, or if, as has happened,
you run out of wrapping paper at ten pm on
Christmas Eve and you don't live anywhere near a twenty
four hour shop, which is the case for us and

(19:56):
so you do end up wrapping some of the presents
in newspaper and having.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
To tell the hell do you get newspapers?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
We have newspaper because we often get it on the
weekend and I keep it in the back for the.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Compost or whatever, you know, stuff, And so you end
up old just like my most prime minister exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
He won, So you've got there was the time that
we did have to wrap all the presents in newspaper
and it was kind of mortifying, although also funny. Also
have a really frank conversation with you mates about what
presents we're doing.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
So you've got to do this early. There's no point
in doing it late. So this email someone dropping in
during the play exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
And then you have to because like, well I got
you something, so back beginning of November you have to
be like, are we buying it to the presents? Are
we buying the kids presence only the kids only? You
know whatever, sort it all out. And the other one is,
and I always screw this one up, is to keep
keep looking straight ahead, right, don't be looking this way
at the mom who buys a present. For every single
person who's come into contact with their child over the year.

(20:59):
That's lovely for teachers and things primary school, but it
just adds all these extra levels of stress.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
If everyone's like, so did you bake biscuits for the
swim teacher, you know, it's like, no, I didn't, and
I don't. I think that's okay.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
So I think just keep your eyes on the prize.
And then this one is a summer holiday resolution that
I'm going to write down to remind myself this summer holidays.
Do not pick up your phone before a book and
a cup of tea in the morning, because on a workday,
the first thing I do always is grab my phone,
right and usually I will tell myself that's to scan news,

(21:33):
like what's going on. I don't think we need to
talk about on the show whatever. And then on the
weekend I do it for fun. But you feel so
good on holiday morning when you don't have to jump
out of bed to actually pick up a book and
read a chapter before you get out of bed.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
That's going to be my summer holiday.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
What I would love to do is a day before
we come back next year, is to write down what
I actually want to do in the summer holidays, because
I feel like I get to this time of year
every year and go what do I want to do?
I want to go away? Do I want to see
my friends? Do I want to spend a lot of
time at home? Do I want to just read? Because
that feeling of I'm going back to work tomorrow and
I did my summer holidays wrong is the worst feeling,

(22:11):
like you don't.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Feel very true. I feel that a lot, especially the
days between Christmas and New Years where you don't make
any plans because everyone's like it's so hectic. Those days
just catch up in the next year and then I
have nothing to do.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, we could have gone out for drinks.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
We could have gone for a hike.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Is there any other time in your life you would
have written yourself a letter?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I was thinking about this. Birthdays are obviously a big one.
Some people always have a big wobble on their birthday.
So what if you wrote yourself an email that dropped
in your inbox on the morning of your birthday and
just said, calm the fuck down.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
It gives you a perspective without the pressure of the
emotional pressure of that day.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I quite like that. What would you put in yours?
Now it's the time to get into relationships past the
January twenty if you made it well done.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I've been thinking about writing myself a letter before, like
in the thick of like four weeks with is just
going that's really good. I'd fine, this time will pass.
Keep them alive. You got this, because that's actually a
great idea before you having a baby or in your
case babies, because you've been through this once now, yeah,

(23:22):
and you can get caught up in the pressure and
the sleep deprivation and feeding and all that kind of stuff.
If you just go top line, remember this passes like
that could be quite a good reminder.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Just has the time it right, because I don't think
you want to be getting that while you're in labor. No,
I remember this will pass, You're like.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
And the beginning of winter is another one I would
do because I know a lot of people and I
can be a bit like this, although less so since
I moved. Who get really sad in winter? Yeah, me too,
And even on this side of the world where I
would argue winters are not that bad, they kind of
are because we're just so primed for the weather to
be great. And years ago I read the book Wintering

(24:04):
by Catherine May that I've talked about before, which is amazing,
But it's about reframing that time of year, about sort
of going in wood a bit.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean that sounds really.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Cheesy, but also I think that one that would drop
on the days that the clock goes back, so it's
like the beginning of proper winter and you're going to
get dark evenings and stuff about like reminding yourself very
similar to your Maybe, in fact, maybe all these letters
should just be like this too shot pass but it
will find yourself that much away, like enjoy it, embrace it,

(24:33):
think of all the good things about it. And then
I'd write a list of them, like you know, hot
soup and I don't know, cheesy shit, but yes, I
think that would be a good one.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Out louders in a moment, we look back at some
of our twenty twenty five predictions and we're ready to
make some new, bold ones for.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
All right, we have less than two weeks left of
twenty twenty five, and I hate to bring this up,
but last year we threw around some predictions celebrity, politics, culture,
m you are off the hook because sitting in your
chair was Maya and she predicted, I quote, Harry and

(25:23):
Meghan would get divorced this year.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Nope, Brad Pitt.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Will marry the girl he's dating and they just broke up,
and she'll fall pregnant. Nah. I just I read her
predictions and I went, Okay, No wonder she needed a break,
she was delusional. Before we get into our predictions for
twenty twenty six, I wanted to revisit the other prophecies
that we had for this year, just to do a
bit of a like.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Just to check them.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Mia actually said she got this one right. Meghan's show
will come out, we'll get our jam, and she'll return
to acting.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
All those things have happened.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah, all of those things.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Just in case that Louder started getting overly excited. She
was seen on a set. Whether she's acting, acting or
doing a cameo as herself, we're not sure, but I
think me a spot on there.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
I think she is too. She also said people will
post less.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
On social media. That she is right about that.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Now, Holly didn't make anything any better on social media though.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Holly, you predicted that Kim Kardashian and Elon Musk would
be a couple by feb Can.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I roll that over.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I still think that I still think it's got potential
that I still think that that has got potential.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
What I will say about that prediction is.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Something is coming for Kim Kardashian and relationships, Like there's
a big swing coming. She kind of had her like
Pete Davidson, like then there was Kanie.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Know that.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
There's gonna be a high profile boyfriend this year. And
I think we have to brace ourselves.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
For I had a wedding because she says she really
wants a wedding. Yeah, I think we.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Could get a wedding this year. She loves a quick wedding.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I don't think so. I think Kim's gotten very wise.
I listened to her call her Daddy episode and I
was struck by how wise she is. She's little through
a lot now, But I still think elanto possibility, I think,
which negates what I just said, because nobody wise would
ever date healing mask.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Meghan and Harry won't get you said, Holly, No, no, no,
They're not getting divorced in twenty twenty five. It'll last
another year. So your guess is this year is the
time for Meghan and Harry.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't think they are going to get divorced.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Not.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
I still think we've got a little bit more time
in that. I mean they will one day, I don't.
I think they will one day get divorced. But won't
we all o you you never get married.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
May are in barrel jeans by mid jan which I think.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I think she definitely bought them, but she didn't fall
in love with them. Instead, she is wearing at the
end of twenty twenty five pedal pushes.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
She came in and I went, I hate how you.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Look, and she said, one of the things I missed
most about out loud is trolling you bitches with my
clothes so ugly.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
You said that the oscars will be a gen x
fever dream, Nicole Demi, Kate Winslet, Angelina Jolie not a
wrinkle in sight until they've read my next prediction that
they're all going to go cold Turkey and they are
going to give up the injections and we're going to
have wall to wall old.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
But I was so wrong about that because instead everybody
got facelifts this year.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah, but I think you're right about the gen x
fever dream.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, it's been It's true and a lot of women
say to me because I'm like mid lady. They say,
it's so amazing how you never used to see women
over forty in movies and TV and now you see
them everywhere. It's just the slight catch that shouldn't look
look younger than them.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
You're also predicted early dinners. You predicted something called Lena,
which is a lunch dinner at thirty.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I think that's very true. You said Zendea and Tom
Holland would split, which is incorrect.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
They've got engaged.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Well, guess who guessed that.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
I said Zendea and Tom Holland will get engaged. Tick
I said the rise of fancy beverages and more efficient water,
more efficient hydration. Tick I also predicted and America's next
Top Model Netflix documentary, which is.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Apparently in the works. Are you going to take that
in the works?

Speaker 3 (29:18):
We are going to ignore my prediction that Kim k
would be in Trump's cabinet. We're not going to talk
about how I said Dutton would win, and we're not
going to talk about.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Brad truly did think that Dutton was going to win
the election.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
That was I put my money on Dutton winning and
he did not.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
M. I want to know.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
We're looking down the barrel at twenty twenty six. What
are your predictions?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Okay, pop culture, Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau will have
a baby.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
No, yes, yes, they're just gonna have fun.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
I don't think Justin I feel like he's moved on
from that era, from his dad era.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
No, because why would he be dating Katy Perry? Otherwise?
Hot you exactly? Hot kids? Just the way they were
looking at each other in that picture. Yeah, it's really
like the hard launch. The hard launch is making me go.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
So you're you're going this is a long.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Term Yeah, serious relationship love. We're all going to have
flip phones and phones with our cameras. Really, I have seen.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Billy was very excitedly showing me a flip phone in
a shop the other day, but it did have a camera.
It wasn't like an old school flip phone. Okay, are
you talking about kind of getting away from our Yeah,
I think it will start being like we have our
iPhone still, but we're not going to keep upgrading them.
We're just going to have a flip phone, And then
the flip phone will start to be more in our

(30:38):
lives more than the iPhone, and so like maybe we'll
bring the iPhone when we feel an iPhone is needed,
but the rest of.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
The iPhone maybe stays at work. I did read this
thing the other day about dance parties for like grown
up people, and they're putting stickers on everybody's phones when
they walk in. Not because they think there's no alcohol
or anything at these parties, by the way, but they're
like they're kind of like feel good dance, like nobody's
watching kind of vibe, and they're putting stickers on everyone's

(31:04):
iPhone as a condition of entry because they say it
changes the entire vibe of going dancing, going clubbing a
lot is if you're just filming each other all the
time and filming yourself and imagine the phoonem mo when
you don't even have like the Instagram stories to see
how good it was.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
I know, okay, what else are you particularly?

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I also have costume makeup will be in like clean
girl set it gone heavy makeup back in.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Do you follow the woman that I follow on TikTok
and Instagram, who's the Italian American woman who does the
really full on makeup.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
She's called I think she's called tagged beauty.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Oh, I'm going to give it as a recommendation. I'll
put a link in it. So she because she's a
massive beauty influencer now and she is that she layers
it on and her skin is terrible like that as
a point of the thing is like she does here's
my face, and then she does the full face and
she's like, if you're not having fun with makeup, and
if you're not transforming yourself to a place where your

(32:01):
phone camera can't recognize you, why are you even bothering?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
And I was kind of like, not for me, but
I want to bring back the eyeshadow palette. Yeah, I
love eyeshadow. Okay, drink bottles will become cringe. This is
a very good prediction. Yeah, No, I like, I think
we need to go back to the glass. What's going
to happen to hydration? Well, we just have to go
to the kitchen more often. Fill it up, talk to
someone on your way there. Can we talk to our

(32:24):
producers about them not allowed to bring We're not allowed
to bring open vessels in here. Ghosting will become illegal.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
A bit like that, A bit Lauren starting for getting there,
we were talking about it on Out Loud last week
about how a Turkish court has ruled that liking other
women's Instagram posts can be seen as infidelity in a
divorce case.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I know you're now thinking that ghostings the next thing.
I think the same thing will happen. There will be
some legend of a woman suing a man for completely
ghosting her, and the court's.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Going to be like hell yeah, I said a precident.
It'll be a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah. I think Sean Combe P Diddy will come out
with an album and I'll be Grammy nominated from the
Wow and his direct competitor Northwest with her album about
her dad, I hope. So.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
I think it's going to be a big year for Northwest.
I think every year until the year we die will
be a big years.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Really good. My last one is swimming, Like swim clubs
will replace run clubs.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Okay, this is my theory last year because I said
everyone's going to be injured from their run clubs. Yes,
Like I think a cl meniscus, ankle, all of it. Like,
I just think that where that the injuries people get
will mean that they do have to pivot.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
My parents have joined the swim club.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
I'm swimming yourself. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Actually I've got a bit of a sore neck. Holly,
what are your predictions?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Okay, so let's have another crack at the Royals. Okay, Okay,
Harry's going back to London, no question. We are going
to see more UK based Harry this year. Whether or
not Megan goes with him, I don't know. But there
are lots of bubbling reports about like a soft return
to the Royal family before Charles dies, establishing a bit
of a rival court. I think this has legs because

(34:18):
my other prediction about the Royals, sorry, my watch is
going beep.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
If you had a frim that wouldn't happen.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Other prediction about the Royals is they're going to face
a major reckoning. Like I think that that Andrew stuff
is just the beginning. I think there's going to be
a lot of stuff coming out about their wealth and
their property and all the things they've swept under the
cup it and I reckon that William and Kate are
going to rise as the you know, Catherine's going to
be in charge of everything. It's going to be great anyway,
that's my prediction there. Tony Abbott's going to be back

(34:48):
in Australian politics. I know last year we said Dunn
was going to win, but I think that I think
that what's going on on that side of politics, where
they're like wrestling for the soul of who's hardline enough.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
You can feel it bubbling.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
His book flew off shelves. Apparently it really sold.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
This is really I'm not thrilled about that. Not my guy.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I don't think it's too late for the prediction I
made last year that Sam Armitage was coming back to
breakfast television.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Okay, all right, because she's all.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Over everywhere, and I think that might still happen. Timothy
is not going to win his Oscar.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I don't think obviously not. Well, I would like him too.
This is Chala May.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
He's campaigning very hard, and I was thinking that's because
nobody likes that level of confidence, and then I remember
he is a dude, so it could be possible. But
I don't think he's going to win. I think he's
going to be like the DiCaprio of his time. Yeah,
he might go on in his fifties, that's fine. I
think Aniston's going to marry the hypnotist. The times of
charm and I do.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
You think she'll released the wedding fomus.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yes, I think she is going to share lenches of
their Barefoot Beach cash wedding because she's in a gen
x over sharing frenzy at the moment.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
She is a bit Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
And I think Kim is going to pass the bar
finally and reinstate all those psychics he wronged her. My
very important predictions for what's going on. Oh, and I'm
going to get into composting and chickens.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Okay, okay, you're doing.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I have really good news, which is that I was
on I was doing a bit of like chat GPT,
like what's coming and one of the biggest forecasted trends
for twenty twenty six is.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
The year of the female farmer?

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yes it Oh what's the female farmer? I was like, Oh,
no's going to be insufferable. What's annoying is that every
time you ask chat GPT about predictions, it's like, guys,
it's the year of AI and I'm like, fuck off.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
You just centering.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
I'm not going to give you a promotion.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I shut up, made it, Okay. The culture will not
be nice about Taylor's wedding dress. We do need a
little we just need a moment.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Sidebar on our predictions for Taylor's wedding, because it's definitely
happening next year, right if it doesn't happen over Christmas,
which is a possibility.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I think I don't know enough about the NFL season
to know when it will happen.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
But it's true, my gut's telling I think it's all
over by the end of jan really, but the super
Bowl Super Bowls January February.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Isn't it.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
I'm getting a nod from the birthdays on the thirteenth
of December. Do you think she'll do like a birthday
wedding or so it's just happened. So super Bowls eighth
a feb So it's all over by then.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Okay, I think I'm going end of twenty twenty six.
I think they need more time to plan, Holly, But
you wouldn't know. You've never had a wedding.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I was gonna say, but don't you think they want
to have a bet? And then I remember that I
was at your wedding and you had a.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Beautiful exactly I did.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
So I think she's going to go fairy princess, classic romance,
sweetheart neckline, very love story circa.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Like fearless tailor.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, and I think that that the internet will have
some opinions about it.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Do you think we'll get to see it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I like, I don't think we're going to live stream
the ceremony, but I think that we're definitely going to
get a carousel drop. I think Taylor could go every
two to three months. I think they could get a
drop a photo. She's going to go formula. Okay, what
do you think dress wise?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I think yeah, I think PRINCESSI yeah, like hair up.
I think she's going to go back to her natural curls.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yes, and I have like.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Two bits in the front hair up, maybe like a
sneaky little tiara yea.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
And I think he's going to actually, like not just
wear a plane suit like it's Travis Kelcey. I think
he might have oh, he'll be bleased some going. I
think she's going to go sexy.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Really, when you see them out on dates, she always
is wearing a short skirt and high heels and she
looks amazing. But I think he likes her in a
traditional sexy look, and so I think she's gonna go sexy.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Okay, I am predictioning. I am predicting a major health
crisis for Donald Trump. I'm not saying I want that
to happen. I'm just saying that I think it will.
He is nearly eighty.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Something's gonna happen this year.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
FIFA World Cup is going to be big, and Jesse's
going to get into soccer for four weeks.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
The World Cup's going to be big. What kind of
prediction is that? Of course the World Cup's going to.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Be big, it's going to be big for me personally.
I dip in and out of major sporting events.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
It's true, and you do become an expert. I do.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
I do. I'm going to pretend like I've followed soccer
my whole up.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
We didn't predict that this year you were going to
become an f one ball.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
We didn't. We didn't.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
But my prediction is there will be a new season
and it will be great. The end of Kylie and Timothy,
I'm Kylie baby. They might have a baby, but I
think they might have a baby, and at my baby.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I think it's all about whether or not he wins.
I think if he doesn't win the Oscar, he's going
to spiral and he's probably ready for a breakdown. Things
have been good for him.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Yeah, till now, he's been quite quite settled.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I think we're going to get a brilliant Blake Lively documentary.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh I hope, so like a.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Three parter explaining her side wishless now.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, I think Blake's going to be at that wedding.
I think one of my predictions about that is that
that split is not as splitty as we think. I
think a lot of it is about just taking the
heat off everything that's been going on with court cases
and all those things. But I don't think the blood
is as bad as we think they're. And I think
you know how when Selena Gomes got married, she released

(40:24):
the pictures in dribs and drabs and at first it
was just them and then it was their famous friends,
and she held Taylor till Taylor's album launch. Yes, I
think it's going to be a bit like that. We
won't find out immediately, but that Blake will have been
at that wedding.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Interesting. I just think keep your eyes on Jared Letto
in terms of reading just generally that man.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
You know, there's smoke, there's fire, naughty man, naughty little
whispers that are getting louder and louder.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
I just think this could be the year that there's
a takedown of Jared Letter.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I think we've lost our taste for takedown so on,
and then think in these cases, yeah, that case is
quite unfortunate that we have.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
But yeah, he does a Brad Pitt and just makes
the best movie of his life.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Yeah, and everyone's like, ah, damn, phone charms.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I think we're going to start putting charms on our phones,
like la boo boo, like that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Because I've got a charm on my phone. Yes, I
think we're all going to be so ahead of her time.
It was more practical because I can keep it on
my wrist.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
It's a kind of twenty tens. Callback.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
I feel that I've also got the year of the
unusual face. I reckon that because of the face lift,
because of the uniformity of Lindsay Loewen looks exactly like
Chris Jenner, looks exactly like everyone else, that it will
be the year of like strange face.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
You know, we said that when we had Amy Amy
Leewood on white Lotus. This year, we said, oh great,
like everybody's going to look a bit different now, it
didn't happen. By the end of the everyone looked exactly
the same.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I've got two more. The end of the vacuous celebrity.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
I think that the way that long form podcasts are
becoming the go to for celebrities, and also the sub
stack kind of yeah, them all writing essays, it's going
to be this existential like every celebrity is going to
be Dax Shepherd.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Only Das can be Dack showed, you.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Know, but they're all going to be like musing about.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
And I think Kim Kardashian indicates this too, that the
idea of just being like a silly, dumb I don't
know anything celebrity. I don't think we've got any appetite
for that. In twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I think the phrase sub stack writer is going to
be a bit of a slur.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Sorry sorry, And my last one, Twins make a comeback.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I feel like Twins have been a bit cringe please guys.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
I think come on.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
I think it's the year of Twins. I think we
make Twins cool again.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I feel like is.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
This because twins are cool adult twins.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
I think both of them.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I think the rebrand a day on our list of
Christmas things are attacking.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I think you and I just need to get over it.
So great after the break, we are sharing our records,
including two serious podcasts and one sexy TV show.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
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Speaker 1 (43:46):
It is Friday and we want to help set up
your weekend with our very best recommendations.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Hollyween Wright Okay, I'm recommending a podcast. It's a really
good one and it's one of those serialized ones. You
can really get into it over the holidays. It's by
It's hosted by one of my faves, which is Monica
Padman from the aforementioned Dak Shepherd's podcast. I am an
armchair Stan as many people know, controversial opinion around.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Here, but it's mine.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
She is hosting a show with these two other American
podcasters who I'd never heard of in my life. They
are called Elizabeth Lame and Andy rosen Well rings a
bell but still. And the premise is is that these guys,
these American sort of comedian slash riders who were married,
had a podcast, quite a popular culty podcast in the
twenty tens twenty teens, and then it disappeared, and it

(44:36):
used to be Monica's favorite show. And so the way
that they set up this podcast, this Bethstead podcast is
what happened, what happened to my favorite show? Guys, tell
me all about it. And so they tell this story
about how on the podcast that this couple used to host,
one of the things they used to do was they
used to do audience dilemmas. I don't know what they're

(44:56):
talking about. And what happened was one of the relationships
that they had with a listener who started who wrote
in with a very particular dilemma turned creepy. The dilemma
is so good. I'm not going to give any spoilers,
but little taster is this woman ron in and said
that she was a young woman who's about to marry

(45:16):
a relatively conservative into a relatively conservative family, and she
had naked pictures of herself on the internet from a
shoot that she'd done for money when she was younger,
and she knew that this was going to be a
big sticking point for her boyfriend flash fiance's family and
whether or not she should tell them, and that was

(45:37):
the dilemma that came in, and things just get out
of control. It ends up with all kinds of drama.
It's so well told.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
But what I particularly like about it is the really
slippery nature of this parasocial relationship. Because when Monica's interviewing
Elizabeth and Andy about how they felt about building this audience,
in the relationship they had with their audience, it's very familiar.
You know, this is obviously our world and what we do,
but about the dangers of overstepping, and when they are

(46:08):
like giving life advice in a really serious way to
their audience members, like again with something we're relatively familiar with,
the why it's always good to keep dilemmas kind of not.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Too high stage, yeah yeah, yeah, But how it.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Turned into this very intense relationship, and then the comments
section took on a life of its own, and then
the person with the dilemma anyway, it's great and if
you've got time, it's one of those good podcasts to
just lean into and enjoy.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
So I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I reckon that the holidays are a good time to
get into those series that you haven't been able to
kind of deep dive into throughout the year. So the
one I loved and look, it's a.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Bit media, but I found it very interesting.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
And Holly told Claire about it, and then Claire has
been ranting to me about it. It is called Anatomy
of a Cancelation so BBC podcast and it is about
a woman named Kate Clanchy in the UK who releases
a book in twenty twenty one and it's called Some
Kids I Taught and What They Taught Me. And she
was this teacher who worked in their school with very

(47:09):
diverse students, and she'd been working for decades like poet,
she's a poet, and she would publish these kids poetry.
And then she writes this book and it is.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
It wins all these awards and it's.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Regard highly critically acclaimed, really well regarded. And then there's
a good Reads review that's sort of negative and says,
I'm actually really uncomfortable with much of language in this,
and she decides to retweet that and say that's not true.
These phrases aren't even in the book.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Well are they in the book? Are they not?

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Basically, it's that moment when covid met the horrendous murder
of George Floyd met like cancel culture, if you want
to call it that. But it is so much more
complicated than that, because then you hear she was criticized

(48:08):
for certain descriptions of students, descriptions of teenagers.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Was she being racist? Was she doing harm?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Who?

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Was she doing harm too? What if the kids in
the book were absolutely fine with it? What if they
were anonymous? Like it's just such a meaty you go
back and forth in a really really cool way. And
I just think the way they tell the story is very.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Nuanced because you hear that, you hear Kate Clancy's telling
her own story in the first episode, and then you
hear the people who canceled her so from their mouths,
like how they felt it was so harmful, why they
did it, And it's so it's so well told because
it's not it doesn't have a point of view, like
it's just laying out all this information for you to

(48:52):
take on. And then they interview some of the students
and it's just I thought it was brilliant.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
It's really interesting and what have you got?

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Okay, I got something a bit different, a bit late
to the party. But I've been watching a TV show
call Heated Rivalry HBO Max. It is so sexy.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
So I've heard a lot of people in the office
talking about this. What's them premise?

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Okay. It's based off these books by an author named
Rachel Reid. She wrote the series called Game Changes, and
this show is based off her second book, Heated Rivalry.
It's about these two rookie hockey players who are so
so famous. One's named Shane, ones named Ilia, and their
rivals and they're on rival teams and like they're the
best in each of their teams.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Is it like ice hockey?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, ice hockey, yeah in Canada. And then they start
to fall in love and then every time they and
it like jumps into like all these huge time jumps
because they only really compete like every four or six months.
So you see like this time jump for six months
and they have hot, steamy sex and then they don't
talk for another six months and then they see each other again.
So it's like the slow burn, and you see them

(50:04):
slowly start off as very casual but then slowly start
falling for each other. And there's like other characters in
our other books that also have love storylined. It's about
all these hockey players falling in love with each other essentially.
So I'm sin.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Seeing headlines around about like why straight women are obsessed
with this queer ice hockey blah blah blah blah blah.
It's the hottest TV show ever? Is it the hottest
TV show ever?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah? It is so sexy, like they don't pull anything away,
like you see everything. It is so good. WHOA Okay,
don't watch it in front of kids.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Okay, this is a This is a either a solo
pleasure or I'm taking it as a solo pleasure.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
How much hockey?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Zero hockey? Alright, you see the kind of like sweaty
on ice or when to start and then it's all
just in the bedroom. Also, don't really know what the
plot's about. It's fine. I do have an extra reco
for out louders, and it's to recommend you wish my
good friends Holly and Jesse a happy birthday. This weekend.

(51:06):
We have a Saturdy Day and Sunday birthday we do.
It's weird, is it?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
We do Saturday and Sunday. Yeah, I'll be at the whegels.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Do you both have a Christmas lish and a Birthday list?

Speaker 4 (51:18):
No, I just have a list of like you've got
to get me obviously more like some.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I've schooled children about this, but.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
I have been sending that that around. But Holly and
I are going a bit low key for our birthday
this year, after yelling about it and how everyone forgets
about us.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
We're like, you know what, We just want to relax, just.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Want to chill.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
But yes, it's it's the big Out Loud host birthday party,
a massive thank you, like I can't. It's been a
massive year for out Loud in lots of different ways.
You know, we've been through some big changes, We've been
through some big things to it on the road with us,

(51:58):
which was just extraordinary. Yesterday's subscriber episode is full of
some of our glimmers, our bests of the year that we.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Hope to share at this time.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
That's so weird and complicated with for everybody, but we
would be nowhere with our outlauders and I hope you're
ending the year with the people you want to be with.
And on that note, a massive thank you to our
team because without these I was going to say bitches,
but does Josh qualify? I thus see, without this posse

(52:30):
of insanely talented, hard working, tolerant, funny, clever women and
one man, we could not put this show out. So
for the last time, sort of the last time for
twenty twenty five, M and Jesse read us out.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Group executive producer Ruth Devine, executive producer Sashatanic, our senior
audio producer is Leah Porgies.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Our video producer is Josh Green, and our junior content
producer is Tessa Kodovich.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
They're not with us, but our fearless leader and creator,
Mia Friedman.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
The reason why we're looking.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
We have to thank her so much too, And of
course the other person on this team, Amelia Lester. What
a year, it's been such a joy. And special shout
out to our EP, M Gazillas, who is on Matt
leave as we go into Christmas with her beautiful little baby, Liliana.
So all of you guys have made it amazing for

(53:26):
us to put the show together this year, and we're
so grateful.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I think that's it. Do we have anything else to say, Well, just.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
That our summer series is going to kick off on
Monday with some fresh episodes, so they those top recommendations,
and we've thrown in a bunch of new ones as well.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
And I said we were going away, but we're not
actually going away at all.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
No, No, we'll be back with regular shows on January
the twelfth. But until then, there'll be lots of stuff
dropping in your feed and we'll miss you out louders.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
We've got a big surprise. But when we come home
we tell you about it. No, until then, will you
tell me? Yeah, we'll whisper it to you later.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Big love, goodbye bye.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Mamma.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which
we've recorded this podcast.

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