Melania’s ‘Dear Putin’ Letter & The 'Marry Someone Smarter' Debate

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that we have a companion. We have an office ghost.

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I love a ghost story telling me every.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Okay, her name is Sally, and you know Catherine, office manager. Catherine. Yep,
she has become intimately acquainted with the ghost who has
pat her on the back of the shoulder. Yes.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yes, we're in new offices right, so we've only well,
how long have we been here for?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Now?

Speaker 4 (00:46):
A month or two? Not long.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
So it's like you find out where the toilets are,
you find out where everything.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Is, you find the ghost. So apparently what she's been
doing is like the lights flicker, which some people say
the lights are on a timer, but it's like having a.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Buzz guard seeing the lights flicker.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, okay, so that's Sally. She knocks on the fridge
and apparently this is the most interesting part that you
guys need to be across. A doesn't like whining. She
doesn't like it when you whine. We had someone come in.
You may remember a few weeks ago we had a
Terrort card reader.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Come.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yes, I obsessed.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I did not get mine done, but I'm hoping to
be on the next round.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
And you know how, our friend Mayor is very impressionable.
She was like a Terrort card reader. I won't see her.
I came out and said Maya that tarot card reader
is magic, and she basically the next person on the
list was pushed because Maya was now Maya hears that
the terrort card reader says as a ghost and the
Terrort card reader says, I need to sage the place.
Maya is like going up to building management being like

(01:43):
we must sage and it is a fire hazard. And
Maya is like, I will petition for this saging. And
then she allowed bells, which is apparently another option to
come in because Mia knows her. She might be on
a sabbatical. But she's like, we need to address the ghosts, but.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Why are we kicking Sally out? She sounds like she's
bringing nothing but positive vibe.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I actually agree.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I think we have to do but you have to
find out whether or not Sally's intentions are pure. The
energy reader can do that, I think.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Just neutralizer and we don't want to following anyone home.
This ghost really doesn't like when people want And apparently
two people are in the kitchen having a winge the
other day and there's this thing on a like a
serial lid, and it just kept popping up. Every time
they winged, it popped off, and then they said something
positive and it didn't pop up.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Is the ghost me a freeman?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think it's hr I think it's some strategy to
make everyone stop winging. Yes, exactly, like stop it back
to work because everyone's being like, you know, you can't win.
Sally doesn't like it. Oh so it's actually a great
workplace policy, but just watch out.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Did the jingle jangling like catne think it's made any.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Difference, Yes, they do. Sally is overall quite friendly. I
think she's a companion that will stay here. But yes,
the jingle jangling I think did help with the ghost situation.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I feel like if you're a ghost in a high rise,
that's just a weird ghosting vocation.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
To imagine being a ghost and getting stuck at work
for the rest of the time.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Turesque Rambling Mansion in the Southern Highlands.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
We can't use the lift. Lily stuck up bit with
all us women.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Like quit your bitching.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Okay, hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out loud. It's
what women are talking about on Monday, the eighteenth of August.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
I'm Holly Wayne right, I'm Jesse Stevens, and I'm Amelia
Last Sorry, Sally and I were.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
I wonder if.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Sally sits in on a record like she wouldn't like it,
just like whining, she wouldn't like us show very much. Okay,
here's what's on our agenda for today.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
A wedding, a singles list, and the question of an
awkward setup.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Melania Trump's letter of peace and that time her husband
couldn't close a war ending deal with his great mates
lad in the back of a car. I think I've
got all those details correct.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
And why Taylor and Travis are leading the charge for
the return of the Himbo. But first, maybe there is
a thing is bad publicity. Elf Cosmetics makers of your
favorite six dollar eyeliner. They're no one for pushing the
envelope in their advertising campaigns. They were the first beauty
company to buy and add at the Super Bowl, and

(04:22):
these have since featured Jennifer Coolidge from White Lotus of
a reunion of the cast of Suits. They love a
bit of publicity around their ads, but they may have
gone a bit too far with their latest effort. It
features the comedian Matt Rife. Now rifling through your memory?
Do you remember Matt Rife?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I have bad associations with him. When his name was
mentioned to me in relationship story, I was like, he's
that comic who?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
He's that comic who. In twenty twenty three, he had
a Netflix special called Natural Selection. And in that Netflix
special he made a joke about a restaurant server with
a black eye, and he said that if she'd been
better at her job, she wouldn't have a black eye.
So in the ELF spot, he's playing a low rent
lawyer and here's what he says, Hey.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Girl has overpriced beauty. Hurt your wallet.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Elf that Alfino and Schmarns have gone to ELF court
from millions of clients, helping them to access beauty products
they deserve at prices that won't injure their lively ones.
Just ask the elfin people, I.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Know a thing or two about red flags and pricey makeup.
You deserve better than that.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So ELF shipped out the notes app on its iPhone
and it has apologized. It said they were only trying
to spot like beauty injustice and they have conceded that
they missed the mark. In the meantime, though, I guess
we've all been reminded that ELF is very good value
for money. So well done to the advertising agency, Right,
isn't that what they wanted?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, it feels as though sowing the lines of division
is sort of a new form of publicity because Matt Rife.
What ELF probably knew about him is that he has
a TikTok following of almost twenty million, and eighty percent
of that following is female. Seventy five percent are under
the age of thirty four. They could not find a

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better match, right, But why Matt Rife is so see
unpopular isn't even the right word, because those figures don't
suggest he is unpopular. But with controversial and with a
particular side of the culture, he's very on the nose.
The reason for that is that he grew his platform
off a female audience, and there was this joke that
women found him hot, blah blah blah, and then he

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gets this Netflix special in.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
All it's sorry a joke, So they didn't find him.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
No, no, they do find him hot. Yeah, he's a
hot young copy.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah exactly, and they kind of they built him, They
build Matt Rife.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
And that's unusual for a male stand up I did
not realize.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
And then he gets his Netflix special and in all
the interviews and promo he does, he basically says, I
don't panner my career to women. This special is mostly
for guys. And it became clear that he didn't value
his female base, and that, in fact, within comedy, a
female base isn't veryone expect. He wanted to push them

(07:05):
away because it was an embarrassment that his fans were wining.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, comics can be very snooty about this stuff, right,
so they would have been like, oh, TikTok comic book,
just because you're heart member memory.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, And so he kind of pushed them away. And
then for Elf to elevate him as someone who's going
to sell to women when he has sort of mocked
and undermined a female fan base, I think was what
didn't sit right.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
The thing that's interesting here is that, like you know,
the Sydney Sweeney jeans ad, like many other things, is
it used to be that brands used to try and
stay away from controversy at all costs. Brand safety. Right.
It's one oh one that you learn when you're working
in all kinds of content that's adjacent to advertising is
brand safety. Don't put me near anything that might spark controversy.
We don't want to be associated by that. Brands have

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learned that that's an old fashioned way to go. They
want to be close to controversy. There is no way
in the world that Elf would not have known that
choosing matt Rife for all the reasons that you've given
Jesse massive following lots of young women was not going
to upset people. But the thing is is that the
young generation who are following matt Rife and buying Elf
cosmetics because they are their audience, are very savvy. I
knew about the story because my daughter, who's fifteen and

(08:11):
lives on TikTok, just bailed me up about it and said,
have you seen what Elf have done?

Speaker 1 (08:15):
You know?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
And she was upset about it.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
She said, they've used matt Rife, And she immediately just
said to me, they're just doing it for attention. Everybody
can see through it by a million miles. It's just
shallow rage bait, and it's like, are we really going
to fall for it again and again and.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, But then at the same time, are we really
not going to buy the six dollar eyeliner?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Right?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Like Elf is sure front and center of like the
global consciousness. Now we're all thinking about it. People are
saying boycott Elf, and there's all these TikTok videos, which
is just contributing to more and more brand recognition. I
think this strategy will work in terms of contributing to
else well.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
It did with the jeans.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Those jeans are up an enormous amount because everybody's talking
about it. So it just shows that this associating yourself
with something controversial has become bread and butter. First Lady
Malania Trump has two Instagram accounts, a lot like your
average teenage girl, but enough about that. She has a
float to Swan where she posts about official business like

(09:13):
wearing sharp pencil skirts while urging people to be best.
That's her campaign, be Best. And she has a Millenia
Trump one where she sells her memoir and float to
themed Christmas ornaments.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Like quite a.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Few First Ladies before her, Millania is often wheeled out
at times of humanitarian crisis like the recent Texas floods
that affect children in particular, to kind of sort of
try to.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Humanize and soften the president.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
But unlike other first ladies before her, Milania hasn't always
been that convincing in that role. Who could forget the
famous I don't care, do you flat jacket that she
wore when everybody was upset about her husband putting children
in cages. Anyway, Donald Trump has been busy, he claims,
trying to stop the war in Ukraine over the last
few days, calling for a historic summit with Vladimir Putin

(10:03):
in Alaska. Keen eyed observers would remember that the president
has long said that he would end this war on
one of being in office. In fact, CNN reports he
said it more than fifty three times on the record
before he became president. For the second time, it's been
a lot longer than one day, and the war is
not over. An at latest stated attempt, rolling out the

(10:24):
red carpet in Alaska for Putin to come and chat,
he handed the president a letter from Milania, one that
she posted to her work Instagram, kind of sort of
pleading for peace. Here's how it starts, dear President Putin.
The First Lady's letter opens. Every child shares the same
quiet dreams in their heart, whether born randomly into a
nation's rustic countryside or a magnificent city center. They dream

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of love, possibility, and safety from danger. Some people are
suggesting that this letter that was very vague in what
it was trying to say, was Ai. But Trump has
spoken before about how Milania has an important role in
international affairs, specifically in Russia Ukraine. I go home, he says,
and tell the first Lady you know, I spoke to

(11:08):
Vladimir today. We had a wonderful conversation. And she says, oh, really,
another city.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Was just hit Amelia.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's your job to know what's going on in high
level foreign affairs. Is it usual for the president to
hand a World Leader and Instagram letter written by his wife.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well written by chat Chip.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
It's so interesting how scared Trump is of Putin. It
really is obvious when you watch them interacts. So, as
you mentioned this summit that happened on Friday, which was
ostensibly to end the war in Ukraine, to which the
President of Ukraine, voladimis Zelenski, was not invited, Trump rolls
out the red carpet for Putin.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
He's literally a wanted war criman.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
He is literally a wanted war criminal to countries that
are signatorious to the International Criminal Court. Rolls out the
red carpet invites him for a lift to the summit
in his armored limousine that the President drives and which
does not have any kind of aids or bugs or
anyone listening in on. So it's very unusual for the
President to be having this secret, private conversation with Vladimir

(12:09):
Putin before their summit, and then after the summit spoiler alert,
nothing happened at the summit. The war is not over.
Trump appeared almost flustered or dejected, I think is maybe
a better word about the lack of progress that was made.
And for the first time, he said there isn't a
deal until there's a deal. And what I found interesting

(12:29):
about that was he's saying there's no deal. When has
Trump ever admitted that there's no deal. He says there's
a deal even when there isn't a deal. So he
kind of came out of this summit feeling bad about himself,
feeling like maybe he didn't push Putin at all.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Do you think the letter, Milania's letter, which has been
much analyzed, was that at least some kind of because
I imagine it would have been quite heavily vetted. Right,
you don't just handed Vladimir letter. But that was the
broad attempt to say, hey, listen, we know that there
are terrible things going on during this war, and I
have to raise it somehow. Even my wife says, I

(13:04):
have to raise it somehow. Do you think that's what
that was about.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I think that is a charitable conceivable and interpretation. And
what's interesting is, because Trump's so scared of Putin, he
does outsource the difficult questions and the difficult points to
other people, and specifically to women. So yeah, I think
it's conceivable that he said, Malaney, you write a note
about the children because I'm too scared to bring it up.
And then there was another moment like this, because in
the press conference afterwards, where Trump was looking dejected and sad,

(13:30):
an amazing journalist for the US TV network ABC News
actually asked the questions that Trump was too scared to ask.
Let's hear a clip of those questions. Now, mister Hilly,
will you agree to be tired?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Mister t.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
That was the amazing Rachel Scott of ABC News. So
the question she asked, when will you stop killing civilians?
When will you agree to a ceasefire? Why should President
Trump trust you? These are all questions that Trump clearly
didn't ask him. And the reason we know that is
because Putin at this press conference was grinning and he
did a very rare thing in English. Let's hear what

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he said in response to Trump thanking him for coming.
Thank you very much, Vladimer.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Next time in Moscow.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Next time in Moscow.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
What was the chat GPT latter from Milania? What didn't
it say? What was it trying to allude to?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
This is the thing is that it was so painfully unspecific.
It didn't name where the children were from, what was
happening to the children. It was about a vague sense
of laughter in children's hearts and something about Putin finding
that laughter again. It's funny, yes, exactly right, and that's
what the children need, is a bit of a lull
Ukrainian authorities. This is the context that I think can

(14:45):
also be missed when you see pictures of two men
in suits shaking hands and kind of this chummy relationship
and this spectacle what's actually underlying that is that Ukrainian
authorities have verified the identities of over nineteen thousand abducted children,
that's over the last eleven years, and this is abducted
by Russia. So they have been forcibly transferred two areas

(15:08):
under Russian control, They have been assigned Russian citizenship and
then adopted into Russian families. Maybe their parents have been
killed or their parents have been arrested and they have
been adopted out.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
One particularly chilling example I read is that some kids
who were taking to a summer camp just never came
home from the summer camp.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
This is so horrific, and part of me feels slightly
defensive of Milania, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
To me, but it feels like she was sort of
trying to bring the show I was trying to do something.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
And the fact that she's from Slovenia, which is a
country that in terms of proximity and politically is incredibly
aligned with Ukraine that part of the world. This is
the bigcause new story to them because what's happening in
Ukraine is terrifying and is felt as though it could
be a pathway to the rest of Europe, like Russia
has done this before.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
I have to interrupt here. I think we are ascribing
too much to Milania. And the reason I can say
this is because I am something of a Milania expert.
I am one of a handful of people worldwide who
has read her memoir from cover to cover.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Why would you do for wealth?

Speaker 1 (16:13):
What I learned from that is that we project all
sorts of things on Milania. Think about in twenty sixteen,
when the excess Hollywood tape came out, when Trump had
talked about grabbing women in a certain place, she wore
a pussy bow blouse to the debate, and people thought
that that meant she was saying I'm really mad at Donald.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
There was a lot of remember the phase that was
all like blink twice if you want to be saved?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
No, no, what she doesn't want to be saved. The book
is all about her love for Donald. She's the only
person who really calls him Donald and is in a
circle because apparently he hates the name Donald. That's why
he calls himself Trump, but she calls him Donald. She
talks about him as a unifying president. I want to
just share with you one story that I think says
it all about Millania and who she really is. It
does not come from the memoir. It comes from Stephanie Grisham.

(16:55):
She used to be Millenia's right hand. She was all
in on Maga in the first administration. No one could
accuse her of being a stooge for the other side.
She worked with Milania on her Christmas decorations and on
her galas and on her events. She came to Milania
on January sixth, twenty twenty one, when the insurrectionists were
storming the Capitol. Milania was taking some photos of some
renovations she'd done at the White House, because she's very

(17:16):
proud of her renovations. Stephanie begged her to speak out.
She knew that her speaking out and saying stop saying
you're going to hang the vice president, stop saying you're
going to overthrow the democratically elected government. She knew that
that would mean something to these insurrectionists if they heard
it from Milania. She begged her, can you intervene? And
you know what Milania said, with her camera in hand
in the ballroom which she just decorated, No, she did

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not intervene.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Doesn't that prove though, that Milania did not have to
write this letter. Milania does not write letters. Milania does
not insert herself. She has no part in politics. The
fact that she even wrote the letter it looks to
me like it's been edited to within a shivitz.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
And you can't say the word of Ukraine, and you
can't say the word Russia, and you can't say anything
about doctor.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Doesn't suggest that she does care.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
But you can't save the children without getting to how
to save the children. The letter says you could stop
this with a stroke of your pen. How about she'd
be actually brave about it and say you could stop
this by stopping your stupid war. But she never gets there.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Amelia next Zelenski, what happens next?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
So, in a sign of just how disastrous this summit
was for Ukraine because there was no deal reach. Putin
made no concessions, he didn't agree to a ceasefire, Zelenski
is making an urgent trip to Washington, DC today, and
in a sign of how worried Europe is about it,
five European leaders are coming along with him, the French,
the British, the Italians, NATO Secretary General and the Commissioner

(18:39):
of the European Union.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
So because last time he got bullied on the worldstad
and he got bullied.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
So they said to him, we're not going to let
you go in alone. Here. Starmer and mccron and the
others said, we're going to flank you, basically to prevent
Trump from bullying you, from writing roughshot over you, from
making you concede territory that is yours to putin to
end the war. In a moment, Taylor Swift and Travis
Kelcey are bringing back the himbo. It's called Will Rahn

(19:10):
in the Free Press knew nothing about Taylor and Travis
when he sat down last week to watch the podcast
interview heard around the world. More than twelve million people
watch that podcast interview. But Will didn't know anything when
he sat down to watch it, and yet he wound
up finding their relationship dynamic oddly familiar. Here's what he
had to say. He said, the comparison that comes to

(19:31):
mind is the old sitcom trope of the dumb, groofy
husband and the smart, sensible wife. This arrangement was inescapable
for anyone who grew up watching television in the nineties
and the early two thousands. As I know that Jesse
and I did, from Home Improvement and The Simpsons to
the King of Queens and Family Guy. So at the time,

(19:53):
it's worth remembering that conservatives really complained about this dynamic.
They said, why doer men always have to be the
dumb one? And there was a sense that women were
getting a little too assertive in the domestic sphere. But
then there was this interesting backclash where by the two
thousands we'd actually decided that that sort of dynamic was
misogynistic because it means that the woman has to be

(20:14):
the humorless sensible one and the man can be the
goofy one who the kids like. But now with Travis
calling Taylor the smartest woman in the world and praising
her use of complicated words, Ron is making this case
for straight men that actually the most sensible thing that
they can do is find a partner who is smarter
than them. As one Twitter user put it back in

(20:35):
the day, I understand Taylor Swift. Now it's every girl's
biggest dream to be able to text their dog, and
that's the vibe Travis is bringing to the table. Texting
their dog. Okay, I feel uneasy.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
So when I first read this, I also felt uneasy.
I felt defensive about Travis's very smart man, but there
is no question they played up to this particular trope.
And here's a little grab that explains it perfectly.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I was making albums that were a little bit more esoteric,
like folklore. So you know what esoteropy is specific exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, he knows what that means.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
He doesn't know what these words mean, but he knows
what it means.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
For a specific following, like a specific genre of people,
he knows what it means.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Okay, he's doing he does like he does like a
pretty I don't know what it means, but he knows
all the words, and he knows what I mean. And
he may not have read Hamlet, but I explained.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
It to him.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Don't tell my middle school English teacher.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
I didn't, guys.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
I definitely was supposed to spark notes.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
It's all right. I watched it. See, he knows what
Hamlet is.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Wait, Lion King is based off a Hamlet.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
This is what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I didn't know that about Lion King. I didn't know
that well.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Sort of like not really, but throughout the whole interview,
and I listened to the whole interview.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
I didn't watch it because you know, I have things
to do.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I listened while I did them in about five different
sittings because it's three hours long. But this has played
out a lot, this particular dynamic, which is where Taylor,
who is like, remember, a songwriter, a poet, says something
arty and interesting and Travis goes, oh, I love it
when you talk like that, and then she goes, don't
be silly, you know what it means. And then the

(22:21):
third voice you can hear in that clip is his brother,
who's obviously hosting. And you've got to remember that this
is on their sports podcast, New Heights. And obviously the
dynamic that these dudes have is they are sports bros
who talk a lot about football, and they're clearly very
smart and ambitious, but they're not meant to be intellectuals.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Right and merely why do it make you uncomfortable?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well, just because I wonder what it says about where
we're at feminism wise. You know, we're always sort of
gauging the strength of feminism in the culture on a
scale of one to ten, where ten is Beyonce appearing
in front of a light up life size feminism sign
and one is the fifties. What does it mean that
we're regressing to the idea of that nineties sitcom trope.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I don't think we are. I think we have evolved
beyond it. That sitcom trope I don't think was about
a smart woman. I think it was about a straight woman.
I don't think that Marge or like in Everybody Loves Raymond,
that woman was barely characterized. Really it was the goofy,
foolish husband, but he still really had the power. Whereas

(23:22):
what I think is interesting in this dynamic, and I
think within any couple there is a dynamic that you perform.
It has grains of truth to it, but in public
you kind of play it up because it's a bit fun.
But in a relationship, especially when a man concedes that
a woman is clever or funny, I think it's a
concession of power. Like I've seen a lot of relationships

(23:43):
where a man won't accept or kind of stifles those
qualities in a female partner. You know, I remember hanging
out with this guy all the time. I was wondering
why I was getting a weird vibe and he did
not laugh when a woman made a joke. To laugh
at a woman and accept that she's funny and she's
kind of I don't know, someone who you can see
as a well rounded human being. Is to elevate her,

(24:04):
like when you laugh at someone's joke, you're giving them
a little bit of power. And I think for Travis
to sit there in awe of Taylor and the clever,
arty things that she says, I thought that was kind
of lovely.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
The thing that's interesting to me about this is because
this whole podcast is being held up as relationship goals
very large, right, because they look absolutely besoded with each other.
It is wonderful and refreshing how unthreatened he is on
so many levels by Taylor Swift, and that they are
clearly still absolutely crazy about each other. But extrapolating from that,

(24:39):
as this headline did in the article you're talking about
marry a smart woman, is like, what about the smart
woman who wakes up in five years and realize she's
married to an idiot? Now I'm not calling before everyone
asks me Travis kelseyon neediot because he is clearly not
an idiot, right, He is an intensely intelligent, ambitious, driven guy,

(25:01):
and he obviously really loves how smart she is, But
she is a musician deep in her soul, like she
is an artist, right, she writes poetry, and you never
hear him talk about music. He talks about her music
like he says you're an amazing baby every five minutes. But
in that whole GQ article and this whole piece she
gushes and gushes in this interview about football because like

(25:21):
with the fervor of an evangelist who's just discovered something,
she's like, I didn't even.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Know what it was, and it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Right, None of that is reciprocated by him about her passion,
which is music and art. And I think it's gorgeous
and I wish them all the best. But the problem
with the idea that women want to text their dog,
you know, and marry some guy who just thinks they're
amazing and isn't very smart himself, is it might feel
like a holiday at first, like a sort of delicious

(25:49):
break for your brain that he's got big labrador energy,
this guy, whether it's Travis or some fictional dog texting
dude like it's lovely and refreshing, But ultimately, don't you
want someone you can talk to?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah? I think that's a good point. But I want
to say that this dynamic also was an interesting inversion
of the sixties groupie dynamic, because Okay, it sounds funny
to say that if Travis, given that he has won
three super Bowls, but he's kind of a groupie in
this situation, and we're so used to that being a woman,
and specifically a decorative woman or a woman who is
perceived as decorative.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
And he's very decorative, he's in his very hot.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I think she talks about that a bit in the
interview too.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
And so I sort of love that. It does feel
really subversive to say, in this situation, the man is
the decorative groupie, and I don't know if we need
to expect him to then also have a nuanced understanding
of the lyrics of all two Well, the termini version.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I don't think that, but I just mean, as we
want to do we see a dynamic like this play out,
we go that's what all relationships should be. It's like,
well maybe, but also I just would caution against the
idea that there should be a massive mismatch in your
interest and intellectual level at all, Like I mean, obviously
opposite's attract and all those things. But marry someone smarter

(27:06):
than you. Is that blanketly good advice?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know, I did a research study years ago about
heterosexual love and the big thing that came out of
it when I interviewed and it was mostly interviewing men
about what contributed to the longevity of their relationships, and
they said intellectual equality, finding someone who was an intellectual equal.
There can be something quite reductive about calling Travis not intellectual,

(27:31):
Like that's a very specific vision, is right.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Like, he's clearly very smart.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
He's very emotionally intelligent.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, he's just not that he's not a poet. But
that bit that we've just pulled out, that's the roles
they're playing, is that he's not book smart and verted
comments he didn't read Hamlet. She has to tell him
what esoteric means. Like that's what they're putting out there,
to be clear, it's not like you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, but I do think that there's something maybe transgressive
about having space for all of a woman's cleverness inside
a heterosexual relationship. That does feel a bit fresh to me,
Like the idea growing up, Like the vision was that
his street is full of stories of really intellectual academic
men who were just admired by their wives, right, Like

(28:17):
that's a story we told. I'm sure it was.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
And she brought the tea while he was you.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Know, yeah, well he sat there and you know, Wrotey's
books or his poetry. Like I mean, these people you
would imagine have enormous egos, like their work is egos.
But in that interview, what was refreshing was that it
seemed like they were just in awe of each other
for different reasons. If people watch this, if young women
watch this and go, oh, here's two people who treat

(28:41):
each other nicely for two hours, then that.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Feels like I love it, and I love that they're
stunning that dynamic. But I'm just going to sound a
word of caution, maybe from a woman who's been there,
who knows what might seem very exciting at first, because
one's very clear in this conversation all the way through
when they talk about their life together, is how happy
Taylor Swift is in Travis Kelsey's world. She talks about

(29:04):
it a lot, being at the family barbecues with kids
being passed through the windows and all these giant men
who protect her and all this stuff, like she clearly
loves it, but I just might want to say that,
you know, in a few years, when the shine wears off,
you might just find yourself at a barbecue surrounded by
a giant manybo Do you want to.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Talk about football deals? And you're like, hold on, what.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Happened to my esoteric poetry buddies, which is only to say,
we always talk about how romantic love Concett is up
to think that one person fulfills everything. It's fine, but
you just need to find your mates so you can
go and talk about poetry.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
And she has She has Stevie Nixon speed dial. If
she wants to talk about poetry.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
She does, And so I think as long as you
keep that posse of pals, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
I want to go back to a theory that we
floated last week, because I floated on this podcast, a
theory that Taylor will be performing at the Super Bowl
and there had been easter eggs. Well, well, well the
red string people, Oh my goodness, it blew up. We
put the video on Socials millions of views because the

(30:07):
Internet watched this interview and went, we are being fed
easter eggs. Can I tell you some of the biggest
Easter eggs about the Super Bowls that are found within
this video. The first one is that she kept joking
about sourdough.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
She said, well, she was just talked about sourdo for
most of the conversation.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, all these references to sourdough and how she thinks
about sourdough sixty percent of the time. What a strange
thing to say. Well, the San Francisco forty nine ers
are hosting the sixtieth Super Bowl next year. Right, Oh, okay,
sixty sixty whatever, that's you're being a bit crazy. Well,
the mascot of the San Francisco forty nine ers is
sour dough. Sam both the number and the mention of

(30:45):
the bread type has been like his sense coward, sad,
and that's a mascot mascot. Yeah. She also discussed how
she's obsessed with numerology and she dropped a lot of numbers.
So after Jason's intro, she said, thanks for the forty
seven second intro. Jason sounds quite off the cuff.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Oh my god, Well they're so exhausting. These people are
so exhausted.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Levi Stadium was the forty seventh stop on the era
to her, which is where the Super Bowl is being
held out and every time she dropped one of these
Easter eggs, eagle eyed viewers thought that they saw Travis
with a little smirk. He couldn't help but just go
how much he is.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
That's because he always has that little of her.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So I listened to this whole thing, as I said,
and it was very charming in many places. But the
discussion of easter egginess, yeah, like it must be so exhausting.
She talks about how much she loves it, how deliberate
it is, and she says, you know, but for your
average person, they don't have to pick up on all this.
I'm like, yes we do, because it's all any want
to talk about the only thing I'm going to say

(31:45):
about soda?

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Right? Do you know me?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
I know how I love my gardening, So I relate
to having a boring hobby that you want to tell
everybody about and they don't.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Want to listen.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
She talks a lot about how she sends him off
to training camp with his freshly baked sour dough pop tarts.
Who even knew that was a thing. She's making soder
with sprinkles in it for his nieces she's making Blueberry
sad and it's very Megan. It's coming off as intensely Megan.
There's a lot in this episode that like, it's really engaging, lovely,
but it's also like Taylor's era at the moment is housewife,

(32:18):
no question, housewife who works unbelievably because she also the
thing that comes across in this which is amazing is
you know, she recorded this whole album while she was
on tour and she was flying backwards and forths between
Sweden and all these places, and then she's clearly had
five minutes off during the holidays and she has committed
to being the world's best Sourdo Baker.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I love that props.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I wonder if there are any flower sprinkles in any
of that.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
After the break, a wedding, a singles list, and the
question of awkward setups.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
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Speaker 3 (33:10):
Friends. I'm going to tell you the story of a
bride named Jessica Brander, who had a very original idea
about what to do with the singles at her wedding,
and I want you to tell me whether it is
offensive or whether it's play on okay. Jessica is from
New Jersey, and she spoke to The New York Post
last week about a cute little feature of her recent wedding.

(33:30):
We like to do things that make things a little
bit different, good for the Instagram. I love how these
in these stories. It's like, was the groom even there?
There's no mention of the groom? I don't think there's
a picture of him. He's unawareness happened.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
He's not relevant.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
He's like what singles list way to the New York Post,
He's got no idea. Jessica put together a poster called
the Singles Sheet. So she made it on canvas, and
it's like an a four piece of paper, right, and
it says at the top, tonight's most eligible, and below
are thirty pictures of all the single people in attendance.

(34:04):
She thought it was a great alternative to a singles table,
and everyone knew it was just a bit of fun.
Included on the eligible single sheet were the groom's grandparents,
so I guess he did attend, he was there. I
still don't think he knew that the grandparents were on it,
so it wasn't like it was like all you know, young,
It was just anyone who's single here they are. You

(34:26):
simply will not believe. This story, which started with a
TikTok video, garnered a lot of criticism. Right the internet
just exploded. One comment said if her face had been
on that post, she would have taken back her gift,
and another described it as humiliating. I am desperate to
know what you think, because I had a very strong reaction, Amelia.
What do you reckon? Is this play on?

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Look? It would have been ideal as she'd gotten the agreement.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
That's my number one question, Busy did she get because
that's the only thing that matters.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Did she get consents?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
She did not, But after this story blew up, she
messaged them and went, hey, were you offended? And they
said they weren't.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
So that's why this is bad.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
If she'd have got their agreement, it would have been
fun anyway.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Sorry, Amelia, I.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Know what's controversial that look. I applaud the direction she
was going in. I went to a lot of weddings
in my single era and had a miserable time because
I'd always have to be sussing out who was single there.
And I discover that a lot of people feel uncomfortable
with the idea of being set up. But I love
the idea of being set up, and I preach it

(35:32):
to everyone. And it's because I have a theory about
a thing called weak ties. Can I briefly please do this?
I keep meaning to write a book about it? So
weak ties?

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Excuse is that wheat ties is in wheat box or
is that weak as in like not strong w EACs.
It's your accent amelia. It really throws people.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
You know everyone in your social circle, you know them all.
You know who's single, you know who's not single, the
single people, there's a reason why you're not dating them. Okay,
So there's no one in your immediate circle who you
can end up with. Weak ties are the people beyond
your social circle who you know but you maybe don't
know very well. Those people know the people that you

(36:12):
can be in a relationship with. So an example might be,
for instance, a barista that you have a particularly friendly relationship,
maybe a coworker you've never even gotten coffee with, but
who you say hello to in the hall and smile
at each other. These are people who you might feel
a bit embarrassed to have you set someone up with,
but you've got to ask them. You simply have to
ask them. And so I made up my business when

(36:34):
I wanted to be in a relationship of asking literally
everyone I knew the name of to set me up
with someone tell me the words you used. I said,
do you know someone to set me up with? And
when they said no, I would say, that's a lie,
you do. And then they go, well, there's this one guy,
and be like, set it up, make it happen.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
You're confident because I would be nervous to say that
to people because if they said no, I'd be like,
you don't want to set me up with anyone because
you don't think something wrong with me.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
You don't think I'm worthy because I felt like that, Amelia.
But I don't have your directness. So I was waiting
for people to just set me up without having to
ask for it.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
And it's interesting it never even occurred to me this idea,
because you think they'd be like, I don't know anyone,
but they would and they just wouldn't set you up
with They're.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Not recommending you to anyone.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I've got some single male friends who I would not
recommend to anyone. They're fine to have a drink with,
but they're not a guy I would like any of
my friend's day. They said to me, why aren't you
fixing me up with any of my friends? Your friends,
I'd be like.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
No, but that's weak ties. See if a woman came
to you and said, set me up with someone, but
she was sort of a coworker that you didn't know
very well, just say, like, I could ask you that, Like,
if I needed to be set up with someone, you're
an example of a weak tie. You're someone I'm friendly with,
but I don't know all your friends, And I could say,
set me up with someone, and you go, you'd rifle
through them, and I guarantee that you could think of

(37:52):
at least one person that you'd at least try and
set me up. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I set a friend, a male friend up with a
an acquaintance, a female acquaintance who I really liked. I
would have liked to be friends with her, and I
set them up and he didn't trade her very well,
and then she never really.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
That's the problem. Like another caveat here is if you
do ask a week tie to set you up, you
cannot blame the weak tie for what happens on that day.
You cannot blame them. It's not up to them. You
insisted on it.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Okay, back to this woman.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
So here's why I'm a big fan. Weddings are nothing
but weak ties. Nothing but weak ties at weddings. Oh yeah,
that's my friend's friend who I met once at a
twenty first fifteen years ago. I vaguely remember this situation.
Oh yeah, there's my like, you know, the person I
played tennis with once. So I don't know very well.
Weddings are weak ties in action.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
The problem with what this woman did. It would have
been so fine if she'd have asked her friends if
they wanted to, because I think you said to me Lee,
you had a singles table at your wedding.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
But it was opped in, So I had an opt
in singles table at my wedding. It did result in
one liaison, that's Nue, which I think is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
But the problem with this is because she has basically
put a poster up at a wedding.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
It's like, look at all these single losers, that's what
she has.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
She has because she didn't ask, because the thing about
being single, And like you, Amelia, I spent a lot
of years going to my friend's weddings when I was single,
and I didn't always want to be fixed up. I
definitely didn't like, sometimes you're single, but it's okay.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
But this is what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's like she's assuming a that all these people are
miserable and lonely just because they're single. Alie, she's assuming
that they're all comfortable with having their relationship status being advertised.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
If you ask, it's okay. But if you don't, I'm going.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
To throw this back at you. You were assuming that
there is a stigma to being single, and I think
that's on you.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
No, I'm not assuming that at all. When I was single,
I was not all the time on the hunt. That
is not what I was doing.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
And so if my.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Fritimes you were just like, no, I'm just like, genuinely
not even interested in the perfect Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I was maybe I was secretly seeing someone who knows,
but or maybe I was happy being single. You're all
assuming that all the single people are not happy being single.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I completely disagree with you, Holley.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
This was this.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
All the people who said I would be here amliated.
That's why, because maybe they don't want to advertise their
personal lives to all people.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
They don't see singleedom as totally neutral. I don't think
it's there's a stigma. I don't think that I judge anyone.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's just the need their faces on a poster at
a wedding.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Because the others can identify them more like a big
like wear a special hat, wear a particular color, turn
your pineapple upside down.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Like maybe they don't want to be identified.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
It just reminds me of that scene in Bridget Jones
where they're.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Like, why haven't you met anybody yet? And she's like, well,
the scales beneath my clothes.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's like that.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
No, I don't think anything about this poster suggests that
you need to mingle, or that she expects you to
go on a date, or that she thinks you're desperate,
or that she thinks you need her help. Let's remember
that one of the biggest traditions.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Face on a poster around a wedding.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Let's remember that what weddings traditionally do like and I
didn't do any of this, but the boquetos right doing that.
No one's doing it, but there has always at weddings
been a tradition around identifying single people.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
And so when you're singling a wedding, it's awful because
you know, maybe you'll coach and bouquet.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Also an opportunity, lean in the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I've been sat at a singles table. I sat an
extra guy I knew within two minutes I wasn't interested in.
We had a lovely chat. I was quite isolated at
this wedding because I didn't know a lot of people.
I didn't have a plus one because I didn't deserve
a plus one, and I wasn't in a relationship whatever. Like,
I think it's a way to just have people mingle
and I don't see an issue with that.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
It's making the most of weak time.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Yeah, only with consent.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Leonardo DiCaprio has been interviewed by the director of his
new movie movie is called One Battle after Another, which.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
That man makes exclusively good movie and I will not
hear a word against him.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
All sounds like it sounds like life, It sounds like everything.
It sounds like twenty twenty five anyway. Paul Thomas Anderson
is the director. He's very famous, very fancy, and he
was interviewing Leonardo for a squire and among all the
actually chit chat they had, Anderson asks him, I'm going
to ask you a question and you're gonna have to
answer as quickly as you can. If you didn't know
how old you are, how old are you right now?

(42:30):
DiCaprio just says thirty two. DiCaprio is fifty. Everybody, Jesse
the internet went wild. Why why might anybody be interested
in how old Leonardo DiCaprio is as opposed to how
he feels.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
I can't imagine, can you imagine? Well?

Speaker 3 (42:48):
I imagine that this is a jab at the age of
the women that he dates, because he famously when they
turn twenty five, he's like, see ya, I'm trading you
in for a younger one.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
His new one.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Well it's actually she's not that new. But his current
girlfriend is twenty seven. Oh wow, so he's broken.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
The hoodoo oh my, oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
But still he's fifty.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
But I think there is something profoundly relatable about what
Leonardo DiCaprio is saying, because there is this phenomenon of
as you grow older not feeling your age. I remember
there was this Atlantic article about it years ago. But
there's also this really famous quote by a poet named
George Open, and he says, what a strange thing to
happen to a little boy. He's talking about aging, and

(43:29):
he says that as he gets older, he looks in
the mirror and there's a little boy inside, but he's
got these wrinkled hands and this face that isn't consistent
with how he feels. And I was reading this. It's
this substacle about kind of ideas about aging. And another
one says that if you're a young person and you're
talking to an older person, you should know that to you,

(43:52):
that person who's way older, right, But to the older person,
they probably feel exactly your age. And how do you
show you?

Speaker 2 (43:58):
What you're saying is leon ardas twenty seven year old
girlfriend and the twenty four year old girlfriend before that,
and the twenty four year old girlfriend before.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
He's got a last week ties.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
They think that Leo's just a little bit older than them. No, no,
they think that is quite a lot older than them.
But Leo thinks that he is the same age as them.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
He's like, I just turned thirty. I turned thirty last week, Holly,
how old do you feel?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I think I feel forty. I would like to feel thirty,
but I think I feel forty.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I read something that said that people get stuck at forty,
like that's a thing.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, I definitely understand what Leo's talking about, in the
fact that as you get, like, fifty is a big number,
and I'm just just over fifty these days, and it
is sometimes confronting, like jolting to be like whoa, and
when people relate to you in a way that makes
it clear that they think you're significantly older, and you
do think light Leo does. And I'm just down hanging

(44:53):
out with my hot girlfriend and we like all the
same things and she and I are on TikTok and
it's great, Like I understand it. But if I was Leo,
I think I'd be a little more self aware about
that answer, don't you think? Oh no, no, Because Leo
is just one of the latest line of the gen
x Icons who perpetually disappoints me. Like he was so cool,

(45:13):
he was so cool, and now he's just hanging out
with Jeff Bezos flying around on private jets going to
those kind of weddings. He and all the others that
either dating the terrified of women their own age, or
at least women who look their own age. Bezos his
wife Lauren Sanchez, is older, but she certainly doesn't look
at They've just become such laughable cliches of the men

(45:35):
who never grow up. And wouldn't it be more interesting
if he was like, I feel every one of my
fifty years, but I still like twenty seven year old Underwell,
that's not true, though, Amelia.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
How old do you feel?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, I feel about thirty five. I think it's hard
to feel your age as you get older. One thing
that made me think about is do you think that
people can lie about their age in the age of
the Internet and radical transparency anymore? Because I have one
person in my life who I obviously am not going
to get into the details of who it is, I'm
pretty sure that person has shaved a year off their

(46:08):
age between the end of forty and fifty one year is.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
A very specific shave to do.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Well, maybe they're going to do one for each decade
going forward, but I just think it's much harder these
days than it used to be.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I understand why women do it one hundred percent and men.
I guess I'm not Leonard DiCaprio, but I'm quite tempted
to like about my age now.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Quite really, I'd.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Quite like to just stay at fifty. Yeah, and just
or rather never talk about it, just because like it
or not. We live in a very age of society,
and you can be working really hard to try and
reclaim that, but there's something you're fighting against that is
almost important, and it's not just about how you look.
It's about lots of things. So I'm quite tempted to
stick at fifty. I interviewed someone recently who refused to

(46:50):
tell me how old. They were, just absolutely refused, and
I followed up to ask, and they still said, no,
I don't talk about it because it immediately pigeonholes me
and I don't want to do that, and so I
get it.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
I've also heard that the age you are, you can't
tell the age accurately of anyone below your age, but
you can continue to tell it for people above your age,
and that's certainly true. I went back to my high
school last week for a career's night and I'm pretty
sure that the questions people were asking me kind of

(47:20):
insinuated that they thought I was on the verge of retirement.
I think everyone who's like over the age of thirty
to a young person is probably seventy.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Poor Leo girlfriend thinks he's seventy. She's like, why are
you still making those movies? When are we going to
just going to be on the yacht twenty four to seven?

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Are you going to die?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Certain, Leah.

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