December 21, 2025 • 38 mins
What's worth your time, your attention and your money this year according to Mamamia Out Loud?
So glad you asked.
Well... Sinners. Blusher. Chalamet. Bed Hair. Eyeliner, and a 40-year-old book. These are just some of the recommendations Amelia Lester, Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright are pulling out from the very long list of reccos they made in 2025 for the first half of their comprehensive list. Feel free to give feedback. It's a gift, you know.
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Movie & TV Recommendations
Holly recommends A Real Pain and Sinners
Jessie recommends Titan: The Oceangate Submersible Disaster
Amelia recommends A Complete Unknown and Springsteen: Deliver Me from Nowhere
Em recommends Sinners too and Superman
Book Recommendations
Holly recommends One Hundred Years of Betty by Debra Oswald
Jessie recommends The Elements by John Boyne
Amelia recommends Show Don't Tell by Curtis Sittenfeld
Em recommends How to End a Love Story by Yulin Kuang
Beauty Recommendations
Holly recommends Ellis Faas Skin Veil Foundation
Jessie recommends Kevin Murphy Bedroom Hair and the Baies Room Spray
Amelia recommends the Rare Beauty Perfect Strokes Matte Liquid eyeliner
Em recommends the Sephora Collection New Cream Lip Stain in Naughty Burgundy
Best Hacks & Random Reccos
Holly recommends Virginia Trioli’s green beans and RecipeTin Eats mango pancakes
Jessie recommends using Depop or Facebook Marketplace.
Amelia recommends getting the newspaper delivered.
Em recommends a cleanser hack where she sits in front of the TV massaging her oil cleanser in for 20 minutes.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to another Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to a special drop of Mamma Mia
out Loud.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm Hollywayne Right, I'm Amelia Lester.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
I'm Jesse Stevens, and.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Four of us here. There are four of us gathered
here today for a very special reason. We are doing
two episodes that round up all our best recommendations.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
To be There are a lot of fresh ones as well.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, and Amelia isn't normally on Friday, so she never
gets to do recommendation.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Which is a shame because I love losting people around. Hey,
can I just say having four of us in one spot?
You know how the royal family has these rules that
the people at the top of the succession ladder can't
travel together in.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Case there's a playing crash. This worries missus. I'm just
going to say it.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I hope no one has an illness.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So you know, if anything goes really tits.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Up, she could one by herself.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
That's the most terrifying detail is that Mayo would have
to step in.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So we've gathered up recommendations ones either our favorites from
ones we gave you this year or fresh E's for
Cross two episodes, and we're going to take turns and
we're going to start with movies. Jesse Stevens, would you
like to kick off?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Mine is a Netflix documentary that was the best Netflix
documentary I watched all year. If you haven't got round
to each.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Jesse, you watch how many Netflix documentaries do you think
you watched this year?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I reckon I watched two a week.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh wow, easy, more.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Than more than yeah, and most of them are fine,
but this one, can.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
I guess what it is?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Poop Cruise.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Oh that was great.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
It's not that, but I love Poop Cruise. I will
second that recommendation. It was Tighten the Ocean Gate Submersible
disaster documentary.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So just a second, we are kicking off our recommendations
special for the festive season with the documentary Submarine Exploded.
Several people was very sad, Jesse stee. But it was
also like, I was so obsessed with that story.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
There was no way of knowing were Titled was going
to fail, but it was a mathematical certainty that it
would fail. Stockton saw an opportunity to restart tourist visits
to Titanic.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Stockton fully believed in what he was doing and that
it would work.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
He wanted to fame to fuel these ego theme.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
I have no desire to die.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I understand this kind.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Of risk, and I thought Stockton was a borderline psychopath.
How do you manage a person like that who.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Owns the company?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
The way that the headlines were coming out and there
were rumors that you could hear tapping, and there was
the timer of just like these people are stuck. I
find something about submersibles so innately terrifying that the idea
that these people went down and something went horrifically wrong.
There is so much more to that story in terms
of it. There is fault and there is hubris involved,
(03:20):
and like the narrative in the way it's put together
and the people who tried to blow the whistle, it
is just fascinating.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Have you all seen it yet?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I have seen it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I don't think it's as good as poop cruise.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It just I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But what I did love about it was that there
were a lot of people who, like you say, were
trying to solve this disaster waiting to happen, and they did,
including an Australian. If nobody saves me correctly, but they
just won't listen.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
To exactly right.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It was so so good. So that documentary is my
number one Netflix stocker.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And I think we share one of our number one
I came through in a special extra so our joint
favorite movie. And I have to caveat this that I
realized this year I went to the movies, probably less
than I've ever been to the movie. Movie tickets are
quiet expensive, and also it just I don't live someone
near movies anymore. But I think I'm also representative of
a lot of people. Unfortunately. I've just it takes a lot.
(04:16):
But this movie was so good and it was sinners.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Oh my god, I've.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
Been all over this world. I've seen me and die ways.
I ain't even know as possible. Lave you, brother, be careful.
I will with all the things that I've seen. I
(04:54):
ain't ever seen no demons, no ghosts.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
No man.
Speaker 9 (05:07):
Feel Now, I think this movie made it in my letterbox.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Top four? Are we all on letterbox here?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
No? What?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (05:15):
Letterbox is also people are using it as a dating
app now, but it's kind of like good Reads for movies.
So it's an app that you have on your phone
every time you watch a movie, you rate and review it,
and then you can follow other people and like their
ratings and reviews, and on your profile you choose your
favorite four movies of all time and sin it's made.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It in Okay, can Somehow? I have literally never heard
of this. Can You tell Me Everything Spill?
Speaker 9 (05:40):
So it's directed by Ryan Coolidge and it stars Michael B.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Jordan.
Speaker 9 (05:44):
He plays twins. And I think it's sat in the
nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
No, it's not, Yes, it's not. It's like in the twenties,
he said, like way when Oh dear.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Seventies way back, because.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's super old.
Speaker 9 (06:03):
And yeah, it's a very vampire it's like horror, but
camp it is so good. And there was a lot
of contention around it because I feel like we're in
this age where the movies that make money right now
are movies that are either a franchise or they're like
a remake of an IP, and this was an original
IP and it made billions. It did so so well.
(06:24):
You can now stream its on HBO.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Is it a horror? It's about vampires, so it sounds scary.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It is scary, but it's kind of note. The broad
story is yes, Michael B. Jordan places these twins. But
it's kind of a racial story, it said, in the
Deep South. It's hard to explain, but basically it's about
jazz music and music and vampires. And it is so
original and funny. It's so funny and sexy and good
and just like Edge of Your Seat, it was great music. Yeah,
(06:51):
the soundtrack is extraordinary. It's one of those really original
movies in a familiar genre like vampires. Oh, but it's
just a very Can.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I ask a question about it because I watched it
on a plane. I really enjoyed it, but I desperately
wanted to then read analysis. Is it like an agree
for something? Well, I think yes, yeah, but I feel
as though it had this deeper meaning that I maybe
didn't quite get.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, I couldn't tell you what that was, I said.
I mean, it's obviously about racial politics and stuff in
the in the Deep South in that time, and it's
about a whole lot of things. But it's also just
the kind of monster movie that made it through. As
em said, like everything else is this very bland, cookie
cutter world, and this just broke through and it did
(07:34):
massive box office. It was one of the biggest movies
of the Year, which surprised everybody, but it shouldn't surprise
anyone because it was a really good time.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
It was so good.
Speaker 9 (07:42):
I've also got another movie suggestion because I knew we
were going to tag team this one Superman, like the
New Come on now, really the New Superman film.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I feel like, if.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's just like woke Superman, right, this is what I've heard,
it's like a good Superman.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The most powerful being on planet Earth.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
We finally meet.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Now as planned, I'll destroy you. And of course that
reporter you always do interviews with.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Who raised you as a child, I'll kill them too.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
So I feel like, if you're a big superhero nerd
like me, DC haven't been doing that well.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
She is, Yeah, I think like Marvel's.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
Really overtaken everything. DC hasn't been doing too well. But
then James Gunn directed the Newest Superman movie. And this
movie has been done so many times, and this one
just completely cut through because they just stuck to what
they know and it's just we just want a hot
man who muscles, who is so the movie stars David
corn Sweat. Oh, it's also on HBO, but I watched
(09:01):
it at.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
The Imax and insane. It's just like a superhero movie.
You know what you get.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Take the kids, Take the kids.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
It's a good time.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Amelia.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'm so glad you asked. I have two.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's a little bit cheating, but they're both in the
same genre, and that genre is music biopics. I love
my music biopics. So in twenty twenty, I feel like
I got really into sport, Like I was watching sport
documentaries when we're all at home and I turn to
my partner and say things.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Like sports really interesting, and I.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Straight men love it when you say that. But music
is really interesting too. And I have two movies to recommend.
The first is Bob Dylan's biopic, which is called A
Complete Unknown.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Starring my friend Tim.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Your friend Timmy loved that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You trapped all the way from Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Why is that?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh the catch you.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Spoke if you're traveling in the North country?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Fair, I see, no one wants to hear when you
can't rule?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Last month?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, I like your songs.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
's hit heavy the boardline?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Who wrote this?
Speaker 8 (10:13):
He did? Remember me?
Speaker 6 (10:15):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
John Bayers?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Because she's pretty sings pretty ones, maybe a little two,
pretty truly love your signs are like an oil painting
and the dentist's office, the oscars over. That wasn't Amelia.
He was brilliant, fabulous. I didn't like it. Oh, I've
watched it like three times.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Please hold let me get through it, and then I
want to hear White. Bruce Springsteen's biopic Delivered Me from Nowhere,
starring my favorite actor, Jeremy Allen White, and if you
have anything to say about Jeremy Allen White, please leave.
I liked it. It's not a great movie. But here's
what I like about music biopics. The steaks are extremely low.
(10:57):
The climactic scene of the Bob Dylan movie No Spoiler
alert required, is whether or not Ed Norton is going
to succeed in plugging in his guitar into the speaker.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
That is like this scene where you like abiding your nails.
You're so scared. Is he going to play his electric
guitar or not?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I love Genius documentary and it fell into that too.
I just like watching a genius exist.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The thing about the Bruce Springstea movie is that it
proves the point that men would rather release an acoustic
album than go to therapy, and that's an important realization
to have, and so I just recommend them both for
edifying reasons and also because they're very low stakes.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Now, why didn't you like the Bob Dylan movie?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
He just was a bit of a dick, was me?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You're allowed just me.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
We need to stop calling men who are me.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
This could take like I didn't even know any of genius. Anyway,
we shall move along. O. The one I wanted to
throw in, apart from Sinners, that I really enjoyed this
year was a real pain. Oh yes, directed by Jesse Adenberg,
one Care and Kulkin and Oscar.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Bonner is not available.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Hey, Benji, I just got to the airport. I really
hope you left the ready air God you made. It's
because I got some good ship from when we land. Wait,
you're not like taking weed into Poland, are you yet?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Benji?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
They don't give a shit about that stuff, and I
think they very much.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Do you give a shit?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Davers and I are cousins.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
We used to be joined at the hip our grandma
who is from here.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So data range for us.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
To join this geriatric Polish tour.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
With you fine people.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
That's where we go.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's about family. That again sounds as cheerful as your
documentary going on a Holocaust tour of Poland. It sounds
so crazy, but it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The dynamic is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And Jesse wrote it and directed it. Not our Jesse,
Jesse Eisenberg, and I love that so much. Okay, we
are moving on, Jesse, what are we doing there?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Coming up from beauty products to books? We are about
to drop all of our favorite recommendation okay, Holly, next
we are on two beauty products.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
What was your number one beauty production?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Really hard to pick one. I know we're doing more
in our second one, but like, and so I thought, well,
what did I learn this year in a beauty space sense?
And two things are when you are older, everything is
about base everything right. I mean, I know it, maybe
it always is, but when I was young, I didn't
really care so much. And my number one thing that
(13:35):
I've loved this year is my foundation, which is expensive.
It is why I have not recommended it on the
show before, but people have often said, like, oh, your
skin looks nice, that's nice foundation. This is why it
is one hundred and thirty dollars worth of fancy Mecca
based foundation. I discovered this year the Ellis Face.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
How do you spell that?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So it's e L Lis faas Ellis face, and it's
called skin veil, right. It's medium coverage and it's really
glowy and it's like one of those sort of serumie
ones and you can build it up. It's blurry. That's
what it's supposed to do, is blur. And you know
(14:17):
how you find a product, You try it and you
just go oh yes, and then so much so that
right to the bottom of the bottle and I had
to immediately replace it because I can't wear anything else now.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Doesn't last you a long time?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, I don't know, because I wear it on work
days mostly and I will tend to reapply in the day,
but that's just because we're filming and things. It's not
like a matt stick to your face.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
One.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, it's lighter than that, although you can build it,
but for me, I just love it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
What I think listeners need to know is that Holly
is the glowiest person in this office. I think we
can on that, so I'd suggest following it recommendation.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I do love it. But just throwing in a cheeky
because it is expensive and I'm sorry about that. But
I'm throwing in the other thing I learned this year,
which is blush. So I never used to wear blush,
right really, and now I'm all about the cheek so
am I Amelia and I've discussed it on the show.
Off the show. You got to put it high, blah
blah blah, you got to basically put it on your forehead. Yeah.
(15:12):
I've been putting shitloads of blusher on this year. I've
leaned in and I love them all. My favorite one
is one from Tart called Marrack. Why do they all
have such silly Namescouver Marracooja juicy multi stick, which is Tart,
but there is a dupe of that by m CO
called the Summer Stick Lip and Cheek Cream, which is
(15:32):
like ten dollars, so such a cream based I haven't
put a powder on my face for ten years. That
powders do not go near this. Ever, It's cream blush
and I love.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It all right, I'm going to go next.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Mine is actually something I haven't recommended on this show yet,
and Lucra and I have been going to a lot
of open house.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It's looking for a place, been a disaster. That's not
the story.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
You've been stealing things from them.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
The story is that I've been going to open houses
and I walk in and sometimes I smell this smell
and I go, I want to buy this house. I'm
not even mocked, but there is this smell. It is
the best smell in the world. It smells clean, it
smells expensive. It's just this freshness. And I ended up
saying to this real estate agent, you gotta tell me
(16:16):
what that is, and they said, it is the bays
room spray.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
The dip teak.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
One dip teek is the fanciest smell in the world.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
It is the fanciest smell in the world.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
I need to smell met.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
But what you need to know about this room spray
is you spray it in a room. And this is
what the real estate agent told me. That room becomes
double the price exactly. You will exponentially increase the value
of your home. But that scent will stick in that
room for weeks. Wow, like even more effective than the candle.
I think the room spray. And she said that she
(16:50):
was laughing, that that's what they spray when the owner
has a dog and they're trying to neutralize any doggie
smell that the person can't have anymore, so they just
spray it and I can't. It is just if you
want your house to smell incredible, it is the bays
be A i e. S Room spray diptick. Yes, it's expensive,
is one hundred and sixteen dollars, but what a great gift.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Dip teak candles which are very expensive and posh. They
just smell like I often get once with my birthday,
once a year from my friend Tory, and I die amazing.
The fig one is amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Carrie Bradshaw's candle, as depicted in the original Sex in
the City was the Bayze candle?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Was it dippy?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
And I also wanted to throw in my bedroom hair.
Kevin Murphy recommendation forty nine to ninety five or basically
the beauty hack I learned was that when you do waves,
you do any texture in your hair, you want a
texturizing spray rather than like a hair spray that makes
it hard. So your texturizing spray or your bedroom hair,
you wake up the next day and it's still fresh.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Smart, Okay, I am recommending something I recommended before, and
it's probably the one product I always get complimented on.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
I'm wearing it right now. It is my lipstick.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yes, oh my god, I'm so glad you people.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
It is the Sephora Collection new cream lipstain in the
shade Naughty Burgundy.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
It's twenty six signature shade.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
Signature shade shade like this year, Like I think, I
don't want to do you find.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
What your signature shade is because I feel like I
don't know what looks good on me.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Honestly, I found this by accident. I was just looking
for a lipstick because I have a really big bottom lip.
Everything I eat and drink it always touches my chin
and I get a huge mark on my che I
was just looking for a lipstick that would stop doing that.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
And this one doesn't budge talk.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
To me about the stainness.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
It stays forever, but like to the point where it
is really hard when you take your makeup off, Like
I always have a bit of residue.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
The next morning.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
Is it in a bullet or it's a doe foot
So it's like a little cream lipstick. It goes on Matt,
but then it has like a bit of a satiny finish.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Sometimes I put a gloss on top.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Of it, but it never looks dry, whereas I feel
like it doesn't feel dry. Yeah, Like it's not like
those I feel like the Kylie Jenna lip kit, like
where we just dry your lips and you would see
the flakiness of it.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
It doesn't do that, and.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
It doesn't transfer on to teeth or anything because it's
so stays.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
It is the best. And they have so many shades.
I think they have around like twenty six shades.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
So good, so glamorous.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I'm gonna do it, Okay, Amelia want you Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Mine is for elder millennials listening, because, as you know,
that's how I identify and look. I need to give
us all a pep talk elder millennials listening. I think
we're stuck in to make up rut, and I think
we need to break out of it because we're not
dead yet. In fact, we're quite young by some metrics,
probably not by MS, but we are quite young and
(19:47):
we need to step it up and refresh our makeup routines.
Consider this your reminders. So Erica Taylor's YouTube videos and
Instagram videos and TikTok videos are very good and instructional,
and she talks about how as you age, your face
appears longer. Whether or not it is longer or not,
I'm not clear on that, but the poor is babies
(20:07):
have really wide faces, and then as you get longer,
your face appears longer and less wide. So what you
have to do is compensate for the fact that your
face is less wide by elongating the length of your face. Okay,
horizon the horizontal width of your face. And one key
way to do that is through eyeliner. And she says
(20:30):
you got to go heavy on the eyeliner and extend
it out beyond the eye to horizontally elongate the face.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Which is a dangerous game. Amelia.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It takes technique, it takes I know you're an eyeliner
queen yourself, so I appreciate that warning.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
But Erica can talk you through it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And one key tip is that the dip of your
eye on the bottom follow that up with the wing.
Does that make sense, So it's as if your eye
became longer, you follow the dip. And the one that
I think is absolutely fool proof is Selena Gomez's The
Rare beauty eye liner. So is it like a liquid, Yeah,
(21:06):
it's liquid and you got to shake it up to
get the pigment. Her reb beauty line is designed to
be very sort of ergonomic, like easy to use for
people who might have restricted or limited mobility in their hands.
I don't happen to have that, but I am not
very skilled at makeup. And the eyeliner is a bit
fatter than your normal eyeliner, so it's easier to hold,
(21:28):
easier to control.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And then is it a little brush.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's a little ink brush. Yeah, it's kind of like
you're a.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Calligrapher or something she's scamming. And what I love about
it is the glide. Erica says, you've got a stamp,
not draw, But it does have a very nice glide
to It doesn't feel like it's tugging on your eye.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
What does damn not draw me?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You know how most people do eyeliner by holding their
eye with their finger, holding the skin near the eye.
She says, that distorts the shape of your eye. You
just look at your eye in the mirror and you
stamp onto the lash line.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That's what makeup artistone yep, Okay, this is contentious because God,
I found this very hard to pick. We're going into books,
Let's start with you and me. Okay.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
I recommended this on the podcast I think earlier this year.
It's a book by Yulan Kwan and it's called How
to End a Love Story. It is one of my
favorite romance novels. I think I've read it about three
times this year so far. It's about this woman named
Helen who's an author and her book is about to
get made into a TV production, and working on the
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TV production is this guy named Grant. And Grant and
Helen have some history because when Helen was younger, her
sister died in a tragic car accident and Grant was
at the wheel. And the story follows her having to
work with this man who pretty much ruined her life,
and it just goes into this really intricate love story
and how that time in your thirties where she's like
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an Asian woman and she's getting all this pressure from
her family to settle down, and how she can bring
in someone who was so hurtful to her family back
into their lives.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Do I recognize the name of that author? Have they
written anything else?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I'm going to look up what else I've written, because
that's yeah, that's the name I recognize.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
It's just one of those books that I read it
in a single day because it's just so light and
easy and it's a bit funny.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
But it's just I just find different.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
Types of love stories, and especially love stories around people
my age just so interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Now you're such a romantic, my lin, it's ruining your life.
One day, we'll have an interiment that's every Friday.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
Every Friday, we'll always find a topic about my love life, Amelia.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
This is a good.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Book if you're in a bit of a reading rut,
like you can't seem to find anything. It's because it's
a short story collection, so you don't need a really
long concentration span. It's by a favorite author of mine,
Cootis Sittenfeld. Her most famous book is probably her debut,
which was called Prep, which is about life in the
New England boarding school in a seat of coming of
age story. But I love her writing style. It's very unadorned,
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it's very low key, it's very sardonic. I like books
with plot, like I don't like being caught up in
writing over plot, and she's very much plot driven. Her
short story collection. It's her second short story collection. It's
called Show Don't Tell. It's stories about middle aged women
who think a lot but aren't necessarily given a lot
of attention by the outside world. They have a lot
of really interesting inner monologues, and she explores us in
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a monologues. I both cried sad tears and tears of
literal joy while reading these stories. They take you on
an emotional rollercoaster about you end the book feeling calm
and uplifted.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I just adore her.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
She read romantic comedy.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, I love that book.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Oh, she's really good at lots of different things. Yeah,
I'm going to jump in. I found this really hard
because I don't know how to pick the best of this.
Because the tactic I went is I was like, WA's
the book I think about the most that I read
this year, And it's actually the first book I read
this year. But it's not new, it's really old. But
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I thought I would throw that one in anyway, right,
because sometimes you want to read an old book. I
got recommended by somebody I don't know who, a very
slight book called Family Happiness by this writer called Laurie Colwyn,
and she is so good. Oh I got to die.
Like I didn't really know her. But she's an American writer.
This book was written in nineteen eighty two. That's how
old it was. You people weren't born. But like, she
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writes about food and things. But this is a very
slight novel about a woman in a family in New
York who appears to have everything very picture perfectly in order.
She's very enmeshed in her family. She's got the perfect
husband and the perfect kids, and the parents who live
around the corner, and yet she's having an affair. And
it is so good. It is the book that I
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have thought about the most this year, even though it
was written however many years ago, that is forty odd years.
So that is the book that I think about the most.
And then I thought, what is the book that I
would give someone as a present, particularly a woman, maybe
someone older, that is new from this year, And that
for me is Deborah Oswald's One Hundred Years of Betty.
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I recommended this on the show. It is an amazingly
well thought out book that basically tells the story of
an Australian woman's life called Betty, of course, who is
about to turn a hundred, and she looks back on
her whole life from when she was born in London
and grew up during the Blitz and then emigrated and
then all her different friendships and loves and political awakenings
and sexual awakenings and all this, and it follows her
(26:30):
through her life and it's just so good and deserves
so much applause because it's like, what a work. Anyway,
Holy did you just sneak in two recommendations? You did?
I'm sorry so anyway, have stopped talking now, But yes,
it's a great present book, one hundred years of Betty.
It's funny, it's cute, it's smart. Debra Oswald.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
My book that I have thought about and thought about
and I just thought was a masterpiece was Elements by
John Boyne, which I recommended on the show.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Is that one book, Jesse? Or is that food?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
This is a genius that man understands capitalism? Jesse.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Some people went and bought Elements, which is a single book.
Jesse bought the four novellas individually and ended up spending
sixty dollars on what is one book?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
Were they all released together?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
I think that they were. But you can also buy
them separately, which I was.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Like, published, can you tell me what this is?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah? So there are four novellas which are like Air, Water, Fire, Earth,
And when I heard that, I went I was all
a bit thinky isn't it.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
I would have been like Avatar, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. I was like, is this a
meditation on air?
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Like?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I don't need that.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Really, it's about crime when I think about it. The
first one is about a woman whose husband perpetrated sex
crimes on he's a swim coach on his students, and
it doesn't go into that.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
It's not super.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Graphic or detailed. It's actually about his wife and her culpability.
All the novellas are connected. The next one is about
like it'll connect someone who was on that island with
that woman, and he filmed a teammate in his football
team committing what we think is an active sexual assault,
and it follows that. And then the other one is
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about a woman who is a perpetrator of sexual assault,
which I've never read a book from her perspective, like
it actually follows her. And then the last one is
one of her victims, and it all comes round and
like it's all interconnected. But he is the most beautiful,
insightful writer. I've never read a writer who can write
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women as well as he writes men young old, like.
His versatility is insane. He wrote boy in the Stripe Pajamas,
so he is like a very well known writer, but
he is brilliant.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Elements by John Boyne.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Okay, we are coming back with our favorite free activity
or best hack, best activity, something that isn't necessarily something
to buy.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
So I'm going to go first, and this hack I've
talked about it on the podcast before. It kind of
crosses over with skincare, but it is my cleansing hack
where I literally sit in front of the TV. I
put on an episode of my favorite TV show, whether
it's like Friends or You Girl, something that's around fifteen
to twenty minutes long, and I just sit in front
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of the TV and I use an oil cleanser and
I just cleanse my face and the amount of stuff
that comes out of my skin is crazy. But it's
like the only skincare technique I use that immediately leaves
my skin super soft and hydrated and just really really juicy.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
How about you, Amelia, Mine is getting the newspaper delivered?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yes, you've been doing this this year.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, it's honestly, what do you mean, it's what's the newspapers?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Is emna?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
First, you shit on the Bob Dylan when.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
This has been the thing I've done this year that
I think has done the most to help my general
disposition and temperament and mood in these very stress times.
I subscribed to my city's newspaper. It happens to be
the Sitney Morning Herald, but I'm sure you could pick
whichever newspaper. It could be delivered in your part of
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Australia and it gets delivered to my front door in
plastic wraps or if it's raining, that's fine, it doesn't
get wet.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
What time does a paper get It gets delivered early.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I would say before six.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
This used to be a job that young people had.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Question it might be a robot.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I don't twelve year old.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
But you're not seeing twelve year olds running around time. No,
it's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And then you bring it inside it and you turn
the pages and.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You read it. Here's why it's good. Once you get
to the end of the newspaper, quite long, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, I mean it's got the news of the day
in it like there's a lot going on right now,
But you get to the end of the newspaper and
then you were done with the news for that day.
You know everything you need to know. In fact, you're
better informed than most people. But you don't need to
keep scrolling. You've actually hit the end of the news
for the day and a group of people have already
decided what you need to know. They've arranged it for you,
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so you get a sense of what you really need
to know and what is nice to know, and you
don't infinitely scroll all day because you've already read the news.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
So m the most important news is on the front page.
I got it.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
And then where that page is and where do they
do the comics?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I don't think they do comics.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
But the other thing I will say about why it's
so great is that it's very social. So when you're
looking at your phone and you're scrolling your phone, you
basically have a sign above your head that says go away, right, Like,
no one wants to interrupt someone on their phone. When
you're like flipping through the newspaper, people feel free to
come up to you and start a conversation. People in
your house. I obviously don't want to speak to strangers
and cafes about this, but like my children, wik up
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and say, oh, what's that story, or it will spark
a conversation around the dining table.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I recommerica.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
All right.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
My hack has been, as I've talked about a lot
this year, I have been trying not to buy anything new.
I have not totally achieved that. There have been moments
I think pregnancy really threw me through a curveball.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Do you reckon that you've bought a lot less?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
You're not made that ninety percentI yeah, amazing, right, And
so I've spoken a lot about deepop, spoken a lot
about Facebook Marketplace. Now that I've done this for a year,
I can never go back, like I can't. There are
certain websites I won't name them that I cannot use
because I have like.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
A sick feeling when I go on them.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Right, So now from everything, for I was speaking the
other week, I needed a belly band for pregnancy, right,
and that's one hundred and something dollars, and I went,
I can't buy a new one. I just can't because
I know that belly bands are sitting in thousands of
women's homes.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
All around like that. They use it for a certain period.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Literally only use it for a few months, yes.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Like talk about landfill is a belly band during pregnant.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It kind of helps you. It lifts up the pressure
a bit.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
So really you.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Only use it for four months maybe, and then it
just sits there. And so I actually went on Facebook
marketplace found someone who was a couple of kilometers away
who had never opened hers and it was sitting in
her house. I got a brand new one for a
third of the price, picked it up. The other thing
has been like Lunar needs a new hat, and I go,
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I just can't.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Go into West into our old hat she grew out.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
And you should know how often children lose.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Hats, right, And I go, She's gonna wear this hat
for one summer. I just can't go and buy a
new one anymore. It irks me.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
So I go onto my marketplace. I go on to
deep Hop whatever I find it there is. If you
go into marketplace, they are selling an entire child's wardrobe
in size three that you can all bluey coated.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Okay, so I'm not on Facebook, as I may have
asked you, is Deepop okay? Can I use that?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Is that fine?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Deepop's great for everything, like literally, So for example, I
talked about bags, wanting a bag, someone sent me a
unicorn to this Uniclo bag and I went, it's there
at the moment for however much, and I went, oh,
look on deep Hop. I just found exactly the same
bag on deep Hoop heavily discounted.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
This person had never used it. Like, just whatever you do.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I'm not saying you need to buy everything second hand,
but just put it into deeper.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
And have a look ever seen, Like have you ever
gotten something it didn't meet the description?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Never?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Never?
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Like people are really really honest about Sometimes I.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Get it from deep hop like because the thing that
I get stuck with with the marketplace is the admin involved,
like they're having a drive around. And also where I live,
it's harder not in cities, et cetera. But in deep
Hop is the seller going to mail it to me?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yes, And that's the easier bit.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
So Deeper I probably got it at the same time
I'd get it if I've got it from uniclo like
and the person just sends it directly to me. Sometimes
a person will say Hey, I think you're around the corner.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Can I just drop it? And I go, yeah, that's fine, Like.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
It's so much better for the environment, and you feel
good and it's cheaper.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh, I love that. My last one is it's about
recipes that I made this year. The most discussed that
I get asked for the most is the easiest, which
is Virginia Treoli's green beans.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Even, I, yes, what does that entail?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So earlier this year? I think it was earlier this year.
I interviewed Virginia Treoli, the esteem journalist, about a memoir
she's written. It's all about side dishes called bit on
the Side. It's got some great recipes in it. From
that book. Brent and I our favorite. You would love this, Amelia.
Brent and I have adopted her Friday night fog, which
is a cocktail which has the best name because it
does just give you a Friday night fog, just a
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nice night, which is like it's a pink grapefruit vodka
ice cold. Yeah, so good. So there's that, But you know,
drink responsibly, et cetera. But her green beans, her Grandma's
green beans, is the easiest recipe you'll ever make, and
they've been bringing me joy all year. And all you
do is you get so say it's Saturday, and on
Saturday night, you know you're going to have some meat
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or some fish or whatever with your partner, and you're
going to have a nice little dinner beans or not
with your partner, well with anyone.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
All you do is you planed to green beans, so
you boil them really quickly. Actually, she doesn't approve of
the crunch. She thinks that's a trendy affectation. And then
your beans should be well cooked. But anyway, green beans cooked,
and then you put them in a bowl on the
side in your kitchen with some crush, garlic, some olive oil,
a splash of wine, vinegar, salt, and pepper, and then
you just leave them to sit there all afternoon and
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they become the most delicious, soury sweetie. It's not really
picky because you don't put it so much that it's
like underwater. You just like dress it like a salad
kind of and then you just leave it to the side,
and then when you're going to have your dinner that night,
you pull them out and these will be the best
green beans.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Of your life.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
That is my favorite hack. We've got into cooking a
bit more this year. Matilda and I made mango pancakes
and recipe to eats it last weekend and that was
the most fun anyway. That's that for me. Are we
at the end of the first episode of Recognized?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
We got to talk all.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Day about recommendations.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I love it, which is lucky because out louders, we
have got another episode coming to you after Christmas on
the twenty ninth with more recommendations.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Thank you so much for listening to this special episode
of Mum Maya out Loud. Also, if you've been madly
reading this time of year, and if you want to
join us for our summer book club is coming up
this weekend on Sunday, the twenty eighth of December. The
book we have been reading is Emily Henry's Great, Big,
Beautiful Life, and we've got a whole episode coming where
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we debrief and if you are looking for more to
listen to, every MoMA Maya podcast is curating your summer
listening right across our network, from pop culture to beauty
to powerful interviews. There is something for everyone. There's a
link in our show notes and we will be back
to regular programming on Monday, the twelfth of January.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Bye Bye Bye
Speaker 9 (38:13):
Mammy acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which
we have recorded this podcast.
You're listening to another Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to a special drop of Mamma Mia
out Loud.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm Hollywayne Right, I'm Amelia Lester.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
I'm Jesse Stevens, and.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Four of us here. There are four of us gathered
here today for a very special reason. We are doing
two episodes that round up all our best recommendations.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
To be There are a lot of fresh ones as well.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, and Amelia isn't normally on Friday, so she never
gets to do recommendation.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Which is a shame because I love losting people around. Hey,
can I just say having four of us in one spot?
You know how the royal family has these rules that
the people at the top of the succession ladder can't
travel together in.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Case there's a playing crash. This worries missus. I'm just
going to say it.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I hope no one has an illness.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So you know, if anything goes really tits.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Up, she could one by herself.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
That's the most terrifying detail is that Mayo would have
to step in.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So we've gathered up recommendations ones either our favorites from
ones we gave you this year or fresh E's for
Cross two episodes, and we're going to take turns and
we're going to start with movies. Jesse Stevens, would you
like to kick off?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Mine is a Netflix documentary that was the best Netflix
documentary I watched all year. If you haven't got round
to each.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Jesse, you watch how many Netflix documentaries do you think
you watched this year?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I reckon I watched two a week.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh wow, easy, more.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Than more than yeah, and most of them are fine,
but this one, can.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
I guess what it is?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Poop Cruise.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Oh that was great.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
It's not that, but I love Poop Cruise. I will
second that recommendation. It was Tighten the Ocean Gate Submersible
disaster documentary.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So just a second, we are kicking off our recommendations
special for the festive season with the documentary Submarine Exploded.
Several people was very sad, Jesse stee. But it was
also like, I was so obsessed with that story.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
There was no way of knowing were Titled was going
to fail, but it was a mathematical certainty that it
would fail. Stockton saw an opportunity to restart tourist visits
to Titanic.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Stockton fully believed in what he was doing and that
it would work.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
He wanted to fame to fuel these ego theme.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
I have no desire to die.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I understand this kind.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Of risk, and I thought Stockton was a borderline psychopath.
How do you manage a person like that who.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Owns the company?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
The way that the headlines were coming out and there
were rumors that you could hear tapping, and there was
the timer of just like these people are stuck. I
find something about submersibles so innately terrifying that the idea
that these people went down and something went horrifically wrong.
There is so much more to that story in terms
of it. There is fault and there is hubris involved,
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and like the narrative in the way it's put together
and the people who tried to blow the whistle, it
is just fascinating.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Have you all seen it yet?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I have seen it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I don't think it's as good as poop cruise.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It just I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But what I did love about it was that there
were a lot of people who, like you say, were
trying to solve this disaster waiting to happen, and they did,
including an Australian. If nobody saves me correctly, but they
just won't listen.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
To exactly right.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It was so so good. So that documentary is my
number one Netflix stocker.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And I think we share one of our number one
I came through in a special extra so our joint
favorite movie. And I have to caveat this that I
realized this year I went to the movies, probably less
than I've ever been to the movie. Movie tickets are
quiet expensive, and also it just I don't live someone
near movies anymore. But I think I'm also representative of
a lot of people. Unfortunately. I've just it takes a lot.
(04:16):
But this movie was so good and it was sinners.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Oh my god, I've.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
Been all over this world. I've seen me and die ways.
I ain't even know as possible. Lave you, brother, be careful.
I will with all the things that I've seen. I
(04:54):
ain't ever seen no demons, no ghosts.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
No man.
Speaker 9 (05:07):
Feel Now, I think this movie made it in my letterbox.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Top four? Are we all on letterbox here?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
No? What?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (05:15):
Letterbox is also people are using it as a dating
app now, but it's kind of like good Reads for movies.
So it's an app that you have on your phone
every time you watch a movie, you rate and review it,
and then you can follow other people and like their
ratings and reviews, and on your profile you choose your
favorite four movies of all time and sin it's made.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It in Okay, can Somehow? I have literally never heard
of this. Can You tell Me Everything Spill?
Speaker 9 (05:40):
So it's directed by Ryan Coolidge and it stars Michael B.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Jordan.
Speaker 9 (05:44):
He plays twins. And I think it's sat in the
nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
No, it's not, Yes, it's not. It's like in the twenties,
he said, like way when Oh dear.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Seventies way back, because.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's super old.
Speaker 9 (06:03):
And yeah, it's a very vampire it's like horror, but
camp it is so good. And there was a lot
of contention around it because I feel like we're in
this age where the movies that make money right now
are movies that are either a franchise or they're like
a remake of an IP, and this was an original
IP and it made billions. It did so so well.
(06:24):
You can now stream its on HBO.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Is it a horror? It's about vampires, so it sounds scary.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It is scary, but it's kind of note. The broad
story is yes, Michael B. Jordan places these twins. But
it's kind of a racial story, it said, in the
Deep South. It's hard to explain, but basically it's about
jazz music and music and vampires. And it is so
original and funny. It's so funny and sexy and good
and just like Edge of Your Seat, it was great music. Yeah,
(06:51):
the soundtrack is extraordinary. It's one of those really original
movies in a familiar genre like vampires. Oh, but it's
just a very Can.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I ask a question about it because I watched it
on a plane. I really enjoyed it, but I desperately
wanted to then read analysis. Is it like an agree
for something? Well, I think yes, yeah, but I feel
as though it had this deeper meaning that I maybe
didn't quite get.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, I couldn't tell you what that was, I said.
I mean, it's obviously about racial politics and stuff in
the in the Deep South in that time, and it's
about a whole lot of things. But it's also just
the kind of monster movie that made it through. As
em said, like everything else is this very bland, cookie
cutter world, and this just broke through and it did
(07:34):
massive box office. It was one of the biggest movies
of the Year, which surprised everybody, but it shouldn't surprise
anyone because it was a really good time.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
It was so good.
Speaker 9 (07:42):
I've also got another movie suggestion because I knew we
were going to tag team this one Superman, like the
New Come on now, really the New Superman film.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
I feel like, if.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's just like woke Superman, right, this is what I've heard,
it's like a good Superman.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The most powerful being on planet Earth.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
We finally meet.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Now as planned, I'll destroy you. And of course that
reporter you always do interviews with.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Who raised you as a child, I'll kill them too.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
So I feel like, if you're a big superhero nerd
like me, DC haven't been doing that well.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
She is, Yeah, I think like Marvel's.
Speaker 9 (08:39):
Really overtaken everything. DC hasn't been doing too well. But
then James Gunn directed the Newest Superman movie. And this
movie has been done so many times, and this one
just completely cut through because they just stuck to what
they know and it's just we just want a hot
man who muscles, who is so the movie stars David
corn Sweat. Oh, it's also on HBO, but I watched
(09:01):
it at.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
The Imax and insane. It's just like a superhero movie.
You know what you get.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Take the kids, Take the kids.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
It's a good time.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Amelia.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'm so glad you asked. I have two.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's a little bit cheating, but they're both in the
same genre, and that genre is music biopics. I love
my music biopics. So in twenty twenty, I feel like
I got really into sport, Like I was watching sport
documentaries when we're all at home and I turn to
my partner and say things.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Like sports really interesting, and I.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Straight men love it when you say that. But music
is really interesting too. And I have two movies to recommend.
The first is Bob Dylan's biopic, which is called A
Complete Unknown.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Starring my friend Tim.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Your friend Timmy loved that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You trapped all the way from Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Why is that?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh the catch you.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Spoke if you're traveling in the North country?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Fair, I see, no one wants to hear when you
can't rule?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Last month?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, I like your songs.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
's hit heavy the boardline?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Who wrote this?
Speaker 8 (10:13):
He did? Remember me?
Speaker 6 (10:15):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
John Bayers?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Because she's pretty sings pretty ones, maybe a little two,
pretty truly love your signs are like an oil painting
and the dentist's office, the oscars over. That wasn't Amelia.
He was brilliant, fabulous. I didn't like it. Oh, I've
watched it like three times.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Please hold let me get through it, and then I
want to hear White. Bruce Springsteen's biopic Delivered Me from Nowhere,
starring my favorite actor, Jeremy Allen White, and if you
have anything to say about Jeremy Allen White, please leave.
I liked it. It's not a great movie. But here's
what I like about music biopics. The steaks are extremely low.
(10:57):
The climactic scene of the Bob Dylan movie No Spoiler
alert required, is whether or not Ed Norton is going
to succeed in plugging in his guitar into the speaker.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
That is like this scene where you like abiding your nails.
You're so scared. Is he going to play his electric
guitar or not?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I love Genius documentary and it fell into that too.
I just like watching a genius exist.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The thing about the Bruce Springstea movie is that it
proves the point that men would rather release an acoustic
album than go to therapy, and that's an important realization
to have, and so I just recommend them both for
edifying reasons and also because they're very low stakes.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Now, why didn't you like the Bob Dylan movie?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
He just was a bit of a dick, was me?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You're allowed just me.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
We need to stop calling men who are me.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
This could take like I didn't even know any of genius. Anyway,
we shall move along. O. The one I wanted to
throw in, apart from Sinners, that I really enjoyed this
year was a real pain. Oh yes, directed by Jesse Adenberg,
one Care and Kulkin and Oscar.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Bonner is not available.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Hey, Benji, I just got to the airport. I really
hope you left the ready air God you made. It's
because I got some good ship from when we land. Wait,
you're not like taking weed into Poland, are you yet?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Benji?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
They don't give a shit about that stuff, and I
think they very much.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Do you give a shit?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Davers and I are cousins.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
We used to be joined at the hip our grandma
who is from here.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
So data range for us.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
To join this geriatric Polish tour.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
With you fine people.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
That's where we go.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's about family. That again sounds as cheerful as your
documentary going on a Holocaust tour of Poland. It sounds
so crazy, but it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
The dynamic is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And Jesse wrote it and directed it. Not our Jesse,
Jesse Eisenberg, and I love that so much. Okay, we
are moving on, Jesse, what are we doing there?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Coming up from beauty products to books? We are about
to drop all of our favorite recommendation okay, Holly, next
we are on two beauty products.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
What was your number one beauty production?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Really hard to pick one. I know we're doing more
in our second one, but like, and so I thought, well,
what did I learn this year in a beauty space sense?
And two things are when you are older, everything is
about base everything right. I mean, I know it, maybe
it always is, but when I was young, I didn't
really care so much. And my number one thing that
(13:35):
I've loved this year is my foundation, which is expensive.
It is why I have not recommended it on the
show before, but people have often said, like, oh, your
skin looks nice, that's nice foundation. This is why it
is one hundred and thirty dollars worth of fancy Mecca
based foundation. I discovered this year the Ellis Face.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
How do you spell that?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So it's e L Lis faas Ellis face, and it's
called skin veil, right. It's medium coverage and it's really
glowy and it's like one of those sort of serumie
ones and you can build it up. It's blurry. That's
what it's supposed to do, is blur. And you know
(14:17):
how you find a product, You try it and you
just go oh yes, and then so much so that
right to the bottom of the bottle and I had
to immediately replace it because I can't wear anything else now.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Doesn't last you a long time?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, I don't know, because I wear it on work
days mostly and I will tend to reapply in the day,
but that's just because we're filming and things. It's not
like a matt stick to your face.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
One.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, it's lighter than that, although you can build it,
but for me, I just love it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
What I think listeners need to know is that Holly
is the glowiest person in this office. I think we
can on that, so I'd suggest following it recommendation.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I do love it. But just throwing in a cheeky
because it is expensive and I'm sorry about that. But
I'm throwing in the other thing I learned this year,
which is blush. So I never used to wear blush,
right really, and now I'm all about the cheek so
am I Amelia and I've discussed it on the show.
Off the show. You got to put it high, blah
blah blah, you got to basically put it on your forehead. Yeah.
(15:12):
I've been putting shitloads of blusher on this year. I've
leaned in and I love them all. My favorite one
is one from Tart called Marrack. Why do they all
have such silly Namescouver Marracooja juicy multi stick, which is Tart,
but there is a dupe of that by m CO
called the Summer Stick Lip and Cheek Cream, which is
(15:32):
like ten dollars, so such a cream based I haven't
put a powder on my face for ten years. That
powders do not go near this. Ever, It's cream blush
and I love.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It all right, I'm going to go next.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Mine is actually something I haven't recommended on this show yet,
and Lucra and I have been going to a lot
of open house.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It's looking for a place, been a disaster. That's not
the story.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
You've been stealing things from them.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
The story is that I've been going to open houses
and I walk in and sometimes I smell this smell
and I go, I want to buy this house. I'm
not even mocked, but there is this smell. It is
the best smell in the world. It smells clean, it
smells expensive. It's just this freshness. And I ended up
saying to this real estate agent, you gotta tell me
(16:16):
what that is, and they said, it is the bays
room spray.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
The dip teak.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
One dip teek is the fanciest smell in the world.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
It is the fanciest smell in the world.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
I need to smell met.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
But what you need to know about this room spray
is you spray it in a room. And this is
what the real estate agent told me. That room becomes
double the price exactly. You will exponentially increase the value
of your home. But that scent will stick in that
room for weeks. Wow, like even more effective than the candle.
I think the room spray. And she said that she
(16:50):
was laughing, that that's what they spray when the owner
has a dog and they're trying to neutralize any doggie
smell that the person can't have anymore, so they just
spray it and I can't. It is just if you
want your house to smell incredible, it is the bays
be A i e. S Room spray diptick. Yes, it's expensive,
is one hundred and sixteen dollars, but what a great gift.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Dip teak candles which are very expensive and posh. They
just smell like I often get once with my birthday,
once a year from my friend Tory, and I die amazing.
The fig one is amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Carrie Bradshaw's candle, as depicted in the original Sex in
the City was the Bayze candle?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Was it dippy?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
And I also wanted to throw in my bedroom hair.
Kevin Murphy recommendation forty nine to ninety five or basically
the beauty hack I learned was that when you do waves,
you do any texture in your hair, you want a
texturizing spray rather than like a hair spray that makes
it hard. So your texturizing spray or your bedroom hair,
you wake up the next day and it's still fresh.
Speaker 9 (17:55):
Smart, Okay, I am recommending something I recommended before, and
it's probably the one product I always get complimented on.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
I'm wearing it right now. It is my lipstick.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yes, oh my god, I'm so glad you people.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
It is the Sephora Collection new cream lipstain in the
shade Naughty Burgundy.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
It's twenty six signature shade.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
Signature shade shade like this year, Like I think, I
don't want to do you find.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
What your signature shade is because I feel like I
don't know what looks good on me.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Honestly, I found this by accident. I was just looking
for a lipstick because I have a really big bottom lip.
Everything I eat and drink it always touches my chin
and I get a huge mark on my che I
was just looking for a lipstick that would stop doing that.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
And this one doesn't budge talk.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
To me about the stainness.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
It stays forever, but like to the point where it
is really hard when you take your makeup off, Like
I always have a bit of residue.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
The next morning.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
Is it in a bullet or it's a doe foot
So it's like a little cream lipstick. It goes on Matt,
but then it has like a bit of a satiny finish.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Sometimes I put a gloss on top.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Of it, but it never looks dry, whereas I feel
like it doesn't feel dry. Yeah, Like it's not like
those I feel like the Kylie Jenna lip kit, like
where we just dry your lips and you would see
the flakiness of it.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
It doesn't do that, and.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
It doesn't transfer on to teeth or anything because it's
so stays.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
It is the best. And they have so many shades.
I think they have around like twenty six shades.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
So good, so glamorous.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I'm gonna do it, Okay, Amelia want you Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Mine is for elder millennials listening, because, as you know,
that's how I identify and look. I need to give
us all a pep talk elder millennials listening. I think
we're stuck in to make up rut, and I think
we need to break out of it because we're not
dead yet. In fact, we're quite young by some metrics,
probably not by MS, but we are quite young and
(19:47):
we need to step it up and refresh our makeup routines.
Consider this your reminders. So Erica Taylor's YouTube videos and
Instagram videos and TikTok videos are very good and instructional,
and she talks about how as you age, your face
appears longer. Whether or not it is longer or not,
I'm not clear on that, but the poor is babies
(20:07):
have really wide faces, and then as you get longer,
your face appears longer and less wide. So what you
have to do is compensate for the fact that your
face is less wide by elongating the length of your face. Okay,
horizon the horizontal width of your face. And one key
way to do that is through eyeliner. And she says
(20:30):
you got to go heavy on the eyeliner and extend
it out beyond the eye to horizontally elongate the face.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Which is a dangerous game. Amelia.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
It takes technique, it takes I know you're an eyeliner
queen yourself, so I appreciate that warning.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
But Erica can talk you through it.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And one key tip is that the dip of your
eye on the bottom follow that up with the wing.
Does that make sense, So it's as if your eye
became longer, you follow the dip. And the one that
I think is absolutely fool proof is Selena Gomez's The
Rare beauty eye liner. So is it like a liquid, Yeah,
(21:06):
it's liquid and you got to shake it up to
get the pigment. Her reb beauty line is designed to
be very sort of ergonomic, like easy to use for
people who might have restricted or limited mobility in their hands.
I don't happen to have that, but I am not
very skilled at makeup. And the eyeliner is a bit
fatter than your normal eyeliner, so it's easier to hold,
(21:28):
easier to control.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And then is it a little brush.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's a little ink brush. Yeah, it's kind of like
you're a.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Calligrapher or something she's scamming. And what I love about
it is the glide. Erica says, you've got a stamp,
not draw, But it does have a very nice glide
to It doesn't feel like it's tugging on your eye.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
What does damn not draw me?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You know how most people do eyeliner by holding their
eye with their finger, holding the skin near the eye.
She says, that distorts the shape of your eye. You
just look at your eye in the mirror and you
stamp onto the lash line.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
That's what makeup artistone yep, Okay, this is contentious because God,
I found this very hard to pick. We're going into books,
Let's start with you and me. Okay.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
I recommended this on the podcast I think earlier this year.
It's a book by Yulan Kwan and it's called How
to End a Love Story. It is one of my
favorite romance novels. I think I've read it about three
times this year so far. It's about this woman named
Helen who's an author and her book is about to
get made into a TV production, and working on the
(22:31):
TV production is this guy named Grant. And Grant and
Helen have some history because when Helen was younger, her
sister died in a tragic car accident and Grant was
at the wheel. And the story follows her having to
work with this man who pretty much ruined her life,
and it just goes into this really intricate love story
and how that time in your thirties where she's like
(22:55):
an Asian woman and she's getting all this pressure from
her family to settle down, and how she can bring
in someone who was so hurtful to her family back
into their lives.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Do I recognize the name of that author? Have they
written anything else?
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I'm going to look up what else I've written, because
that's yeah, that's the name I recognize.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
It's just one of those books that I read it
in a single day because it's just so light and
easy and it's a bit funny.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
But it's just I just find different.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
Types of love stories, and especially love stories around people
my age just so interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Now you're such a romantic, my lin, it's ruining your life.
One day, we'll have an interiment that's every Friday.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
Every Friday, we'll always find a topic about my love life, Amelia.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
This is a good.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Book if you're in a bit of a reading rut,
like you can't seem to find anything. It's because it's
a short story collection, so you don't need a really
long concentration span. It's by a favorite author of mine,
Cootis Sittenfeld. Her most famous book is probably her debut,
which was called Prep, which is about life in the
New England boarding school in a seat of coming of
age story. But I love her writing style. It's very unadorned,
(23:59):
it's very low key, it's very sardonic. I like books
with plot, like I don't like being caught up in
writing over plot, and she's very much plot driven. Her
short story collection. It's her second short story collection. It's
called Show Don't Tell. It's stories about middle aged women
who think a lot but aren't necessarily given a lot
of attention by the outside world. They have a lot
of really interesting inner monologues, and she explores us in
(24:20):
a monologues. I both cried sad tears and tears of
literal joy while reading these stories. They take you on
an emotional rollercoaster about you end the book feeling calm
and uplifted.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I just adore her.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
She read romantic comedy.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Yeah, I love that book.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Oh, she's really good at lots of different things. Yeah,
I'm going to jump in. I found this really hard
because I don't know how to pick the best of this.
Because the tactic I went is I was like, WA's
the book I think about the most that I read
this year, And it's actually the first book I read
this year. But it's not new, it's really old. But
(25:01):
I thought I would throw that one in anyway, right,
because sometimes you want to read an old book. I
got recommended by somebody I don't know who, a very
slight book called Family Happiness by this writer called Laurie Colwyn,
and she is so good. Oh I got to die.
Like I didn't really know her. But she's an American writer.
This book was written in nineteen eighty two. That's how
old it was. You people weren't born. But like, she
(25:24):
writes about food and things. But this is a very
slight novel about a woman in a family in New
York who appears to have everything very picture perfectly in order.
She's very enmeshed in her family. She's got the perfect
husband and the perfect kids, and the parents who live
around the corner, and yet she's having an affair. And
it is so good. It is the book that I
(25:47):
have thought about the most this year, even though it
was written however many years ago, that is forty odd years.
So that is the book that I think about the most.
And then I thought, what is the book that I
would give someone as a present, particularly a woman, maybe
someone older, that is new from this year, And that
for me is Deborah Oswald's One Hundred Years of Betty.
(26:08):
I recommended this on the show. It is an amazingly
well thought out book that basically tells the story of
an Australian woman's life called Betty, of course, who is
about to turn a hundred, and she looks back on
her whole life from when she was born in London
and grew up during the Blitz and then emigrated and
then all her different friendships and loves and political awakenings
and sexual awakenings and all this, and it follows her
(26:30):
through her life and it's just so good and deserves
so much applause because it's like, what a work. Anyway,
Holy did you just sneak in two recommendations? You did?
I'm sorry so anyway, have stopped talking now, But yes,
it's a great present book, one hundred years of Betty.
It's funny, it's cute, it's smart. Debra Oswald.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
My book that I have thought about and thought about
and I just thought was a masterpiece was Elements by
John Boyne, which I recommended on the show.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Is that one book, Jesse? Or is that food?
Speaker 4 (27:04):
This is a genius that man understands capitalism? Jesse.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Some people went and bought Elements, which is a single book.
Jesse bought the four novellas individually and ended up spending
sixty dollars on what is one book?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
Were they all released together?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
I think that they were. But you can also buy
them separately, which I was.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Like, published, can you tell me what this is?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah? So there are four novellas which are like Air, Water, Fire, Earth,
And when I heard that, I went I was all
a bit thinky isn't it.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
I would have been like Avatar, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. I was like, is this a
meditation on air?
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Like?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I don't need that.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Really, it's about crime when I think about it. The
first one is about a woman whose husband perpetrated sex
crimes on he's a swim coach on his students, and
it doesn't go into that.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
It's not super.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Graphic or detailed. It's actually about his wife and her culpability.
All the novellas are connected. The next one is about
like it'll connect someone who was on that island with
that woman, and he filmed a teammate in his football
team committing what we think is an active sexual assault,
and it follows that. And then the other one is
(28:14):
about a woman who is a perpetrator of sexual assault,
which I've never read a book from her perspective, like
it actually follows her. And then the last one is
one of her victims, and it all comes round and
like it's all interconnected. But he is the most beautiful,
insightful writer. I've never read a writer who can write
(28:36):
women as well as he writes men young old, like.
His versatility is insane. He wrote boy in the Stripe Pajamas,
so he is like a very well known writer, but
he is brilliant.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Elements by John Boyne.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Okay, we are coming back with our favorite free activity
or best hack, best activity, something that isn't necessarily something
to buy.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
So I'm going to go first, and this hack I've
talked about it on the podcast before. It kind of
crosses over with skincare, but it is my cleansing hack
where I literally sit in front of the TV. I
put on an episode of my favorite TV show, whether
it's like Friends or You Girl, something that's around fifteen
to twenty minutes long, and I just sit in front
(29:19):
of the TV and I use an oil cleanser and
I just cleanse my face and the amount of stuff
that comes out of my skin is crazy. But it's
like the only skincare technique I use that immediately leaves
my skin super soft and hydrated and just really really juicy.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
How about you, Amelia, Mine is getting the newspaper delivered?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yes, you've been doing this this year.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, it's honestly, what do you mean, it's what's the newspapers?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Is emna?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
First, you shit on the Bob Dylan when.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
This has been the thing I've done this year that
I think has done the most to help my general
disposition and temperament and mood in these very stress times.
I subscribed to my city's newspaper. It happens to be
the Sitney Morning Herald, but I'm sure you could pick
whichever newspaper. It could be delivered in your part of
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Australia and it gets delivered to my front door in
plastic wraps or if it's raining, that's fine, it doesn't
get wet.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
What time does a paper get It gets delivered early.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I would say before six.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
This used to be a job that young people had.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Question it might be a robot.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I don't twelve year old.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
But you're not seeing twelve year olds running around time. No,
it's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And then you bring it inside it and you turn
the pages and.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You read it. Here's why it's good. Once you get
to the end of the newspaper, quite long, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, I mean it's got the news of the day
in it like there's a lot going on right now,
But you get to the end of the newspaper and
then you were done with the news for that day.
You know everything you need to know. In fact, you're
better informed than most people. But you don't need to
keep scrolling. You've actually hit the end of the news
for the day and a group of people have already
decided what you need to know. They've arranged it for you,
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so you get a sense of what you really need
to know and what is nice to know, and you
don't infinitely scroll all day because you've already read the news.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
So m the most important news is on the front page.
I got it.
Speaker 9 (31:32):
And then where that page is and where do they
do the comics?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I don't think they do comics.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
But the other thing I will say about why it's
so great is that it's very social. So when you're
looking at your phone and you're scrolling your phone, you
basically have a sign above your head that says go away, right, Like,
no one wants to interrupt someone on their phone. When
you're like flipping through the newspaper, people feel free to
come up to you and start a conversation. People in
your house. I obviously don't want to speak to strangers
and cafes about this, but like my children, wik up
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and say, oh, what's that story, or it will spark
a conversation around the dining table.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I recommerica.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
All right.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
My hack has been, as I've talked about a lot
this year, I have been trying not to buy anything new.
I have not totally achieved that. There have been moments
I think pregnancy really threw me through a curveball.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Do you reckon that you've bought a lot less?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
You're not made that ninety percentI yeah, amazing, right, And
so I've spoken a lot about deepop, spoken a lot
about Facebook Marketplace. Now that I've done this for a year,
I can never go back, like I can't. There are
certain websites I won't name them that I cannot use
because I have like.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
A sick feeling when I go on them.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Right, So now from everything, for I was speaking the
other week, I needed a belly band for pregnancy, right,
and that's one hundred and something dollars, and I went,
I can't buy a new one. I just can't because
I know that belly bands are sitting in thousands of
women's homes.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
All around like that. They use it for a certain period.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Literally only use it for a few months, yes.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Like talk about landfill is a belly band during pregnant.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It kind of helps you. It lifts up the pressure
a bit.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
So really you.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Only use it for four months maybe, and then it
just sits there. And so I actually went on Facebook
marketplace found someone who was a couple of kilometers away
who had never opened hers and it was sitting in
her house. I got a brand new one for a
third of the price, picked it up. The other thing
has been like Lunar needs a new hat, and I go,
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I just can't.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Go into West into our old hat she grew out.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
And you should know how often children lose.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Hats, right, And I go, She's gonna wear this hat
for one summer. I just can't go and buy a
new one anymore. It irks me.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
So I go onto my marketplace. I go on to
deep Hop whatever I find it there is. If you
go into marketplace, they are selling an entire child's wardrobe
in size three that you can all bluey coated.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Okay, so I'm not on Facebook, as I may have
asked you, is Deepop okay? Can I use that?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Is that fine?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Deepop's great for everything, like literally, So for example, I
talked about bags, wanting a bag, someone sent me a
unicorn to this Uniclo bag and I went, it's there
at the moment for however much, and I went, oh,
look on deep Hop. I just found exactly the same
bag on deep Hoop heavily discounted.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
This person had never used it. Like, just whatever you do.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I'm not saying you need to buy everything second hand,
but just put it into deeper.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
And have a look ever seen, Like have you ever
gotten something it didn't meet the description?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Never?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Never?
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Like people are really really honest about Sometimes I.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Get it from deep hop like because the thing that
I get stuck with with the marketplace is the admin involved,
like they're having a drive around. And also where I live,
it's harder not in cities, et cetera. But in deep
Hop is the seller going to mail it to me?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yes, And that's the easier bit.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
So Deeper I probably got it at the same time
I'd get it if I've got it from uniclo like
and the person just sends it directly to me. Sometimes
a person will say Hey, I think you're around the corner.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Can I just drop it? And I go, yeah, that's fine, Like.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
It's so much better for the environment, and you feel
good and it's cheaper.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh, I love that. My last one is it's about
recipes that I made this year. The most discussed that
I get asked for the most is the easiest, which
is Virginia Treoli's green beans.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Even, I, yes, what does that entail?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So earlier this year? I think it was earlier this year.
I interviewed Virginia Treoli, the esteem journalist, about a memoir
she's written. It's all about side dishes called bit on
the Side. It's got some great recipes in it. From
that book. Brent and I our favorite. You would love this, Amelia.
Brent and I have adopted her Friday night fog, which
is a cocktail which has the best name because it
does just give you a Friday night fog, just a
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nice night, which is like it's a pink grapefruit vodka
ice cold. Yeah, so good. So there's that, But you know,
drink responsibly, et cetera. But her green beans, her Grandma's
green beans, is the easiest recipe you'll ever make, and
they've been bringing me joy all year. And all you
do is you get so say it's Saturday, and on
Saturday night, you know you're going to have some meat
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or some fish or whatever with your partner, and you're
going to have a nice little dinner beans or not
with your partner, well with anyone.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
All you do is you planed to green beans, so
you boil them really quickly. Actually, she doesn't approve of
the crunch. She thinks that's a trendy affectation. And then
your beans should be well cooked. But anyway, green beans cooked,
and then you put them in a bowl on the
side in your kitchen with some crush, garlic, some olive oil,
a splash of wine, vinegar, salt, and pepper, and then
you just leave them to sit there all afternoon and
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they become the most delicious, soury sweetie. It's not really
picky because you don't put it so much that it's
like underwater. You just like dress it like a salad
kind of and then you just leave it to the side,
and then when you're going to have your dinner that night,
you pull them out and these will be the best
green beans.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Of your life.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
That is my favorite hack. We've got into cooking a
bit more this year. Matilda and I made mango pancakes
and recipe to eats it last weekend and that was
the most fun anyway. That's that for me. Are we
at the end of the first episode of Recognized?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
We got to talk all.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Day about recommendations.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I love it, which is lucky because out louders, we
have got another episode coming to you after Christmas on
the twenty ninth with more recommendations.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Thank you so much for listening to this special episode
of Mum Maya out Loud. Also, if you've been madly
reading this time of year, and if you want to
join us for our summer book club is coming up
this weekend on Sunday, the twenty eighth of December. The
book we have been reading is Emily Henry's Great, Big,
Beautiful Life, and we've got a whole episode coming where
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we debrief and if you are looking for more to
listen to, every MoMA Maya podcast is curating your summer
listening right across our network, from pop culture to beauty
to powerful interviews. There is something for everyone. There's a
link in our show notes and we will be back
to regular programming on Monday, the twelfth of January.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Bye Bye Bye
Speaker 9 (38:13):
Mammy acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which
we have recorded this podcast.
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