April 3, 2025 • 47 mins
It's a celebration of hot wives, sex tips only for married women, natural contraception and “nap time friendly careers”. Welcome to the new movement of ‘Conservative Cosmo’ media brands. We explain the emergence of Evie and why we're seeing a growth in conservative women's mags right now.
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of you. I was increasing way weightload of my handweight.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
How can I just ask how much with five kilo dumbbells?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Wow? Just just me what you lift at the gym
Arnold Schwarzenegger six Actually quite a bradst.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Hello and welcome to Mama Me are out Loud and
our Friday show where we do not talk about anything
in the news because the news is poop today, talk
about other things.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's Friday, the fourth of April, and my name is
Hollywayen right, I'm Jesse Hi. Apparently I'm me afraid. I'm
quite confused. Everything from me des that I just said that.
I'm sorry. Okay, that's a good start on the show.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Today, celebrations of Hot Wives, sex tips only for married women,
natural contraception and nap time friendly careers. Welcome to the
new movement of conservative.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Cosmo media brands.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Also a very funny TV show, an instant Australian classic,
and the most perfect audiobook experience imaginable. That's our recommendations
and best and worst of the week, including Jesse having
a weekend from Hell, Brent cutting my grass, and me
I'm meeting her people, but first Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
In case you missed it, the generations are fighting again,
but this time it's about something that really matters. It's
high stakes, all right, it's gym clothes. There's an argument
brewing on TikTok and it is between millennials and gen
z Okay again it is like the socks situation. It's
the jeans all over again, but now it's about whether
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or not you wear tight clothes to the gym. Apparently
it is a marker of your age.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So so a tight clothes say you're old or not?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yes, Oh, they say that you're a millennial. So I
acknowledge that this is ridiculous. But millennials apparently opt for
tight on tight, So think like a cropped sports brass
situation or a singlet and then like shorts or tights
or whatever, whereas gens.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Like shorts like tight shorts.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yes, gen z, they say that what's a lot cooler
is to wear something tight on the bottom and then
like an oversized teeth.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh my god, for the first time in a long time,
I am young. I always wear a big, baggy T
shirt and shorts to the gym. Well, apparently, Princess Diana, Yes,
exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's very ninety Apparently tight on tight is very middle school,
and I have no idea what that means. I want
to puff a fish for a moment about gym clothes
because I cannot express how bad I look at the gym.
I do not own a set, and if I did,
I would never be able to find two of the
things at the same time. When I the absolute are
I have for women walking down the street in a
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gym set, I just want to bow down. They're both clean,
you look fabulous. Sometimes they match, Oh goodness, and I
always imagine they just just arrived on their doorstep, because
there's no way you do.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I always like it. I'm like, that's nice to look at.
I appreciate the effort you've gone to before you go
for your walk or your run. I don't go to
the gym, so I don't when I'm in hotels. But
the good thing about exercising at home, which I've done
for almost thirty years now, is that you can wear
your pajamas or your underpants, and I have regularly worn both.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You are the self appointed fashion cross the sports brah.
What do you think about this? Do you think that
wearing a set makes you look like you're a bit
out of touch, like you're a milleniel.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I do think this is the problem, and it's why
people don't want to go to the gym, because it's
a whole other layer of choices and spending and decisions
and insecurity that you don't need. I mean, you need
to go and do your exercise and around a bit.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No place. It has no place in my gym. It
is a sacred space. You can wear a potato sack.
You can if you want, and they're not going to
be comfortable a gym. Yeah, me too, That's my trick.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I pretend I'm invisible. I'm like one of those is
it mere cats to stick the heads in the sand. Yes, No,
that's somebody else's sticks.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I'm an ostrich. Mere cats do the opposite.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They pick up or a one mate, you know, if
he spotted one, but it stays completely still because it
thinks you can't see it.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That's what I'm like at the gym. Not a one
bat does. The way it kills predators is that it
runs really fast away and then it stops suddenly, and
it's got such a sharp tailbone that the predator runs
into its tailbone and is immediately killed.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
There's something very relatable about that meat.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Ev is hot. She is slim with womanly curves. She
looks really good in a low cut, milk made dress.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I bet she'd wear tight clothes to the gym.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
She is married and her favorite thing about her husband
is that he is obsessed with her. She likes skin care,
makeup and manicures, gossip about pete millennial celebrities like Justin Bieber,
and she's just stopped taking the pill. She works, but
not too hard because the soft life beckons. She knows
being a mum is better than being a boss. And
she really doesn't like that new snow White movie even
though she hasn't seen.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It, because he too woke. Yes, definitely too woke. Evie
is not a person.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Evie is actually a magazine and a media brand that
calls itself the conservative Cosmo or other people have labeled
it that, and it's a celebration of femininity over feminism
and over in the US. She actually Evie Magazine represents
something a lot bigger, a sort of pushback that you're
seeing through the rise of trad wife content and all
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those kind of things about the models of womanhood that
are trump for vading generation is done with. So I'll
just give you a couple of quick tastes of the
kind of things that Evi carries. So on the surface,
if you followed their Instagram, a lot of the same
kind of stories you'd see in media aimed at women anywhere,
including bomamere, nail trends, whiteladus theories. But inside things are
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a little more ideological. Take for example, a beauty feature
in our Beauty features are always the standard thing in
women's bags, right. This one was written by Robin Riley,
and it pushes back against body positivity and it celebrates
natural beauty. Here's a little extract without being able to
hold objectively beautiful women up and celebrate their excellence we
lose touch.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
With our ability to create beauty in.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Our own lives. The more obese, over sexualized, and unhealthy
women we hold up, the uglier.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
The ordinary woman becomes. In response, interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Young women in the West have never been more confused
about what it means to be beautiful. Too often they
think letting themselves go and not taking care of themselves
is just fine, because we have beauty at any size.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Now, like Mey at the gym.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
No, they also have sex tips, but they are labeled
for married women only. And here's a little bit about
a piece by millennial rider Delphine Chu about rejecting feminism.
We women are not made for the daily grind. While
men have a twenty four hour testosterone cycle, we have
a four week cycle. There's a lot of cycle talk
in Evie, which I'm sure we'll get to Jesse. That
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impacts everything for our energy level, sweet quality food cravings.
It took me my entire twenties to realize it was
impossible for me to live, love.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Or lead like a man.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Evie's founders are deeply photogenic young married parents, Brittany and
Gabrielle Hugo Boom, and they say that the conventional women's
magazines are too feminist, two ideological, and too antique feminine.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Mia.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You were one of the absolute forefront leaders of women's
magazines in Australia when they were a big thing. Did
you think they were inherently political when you were editing.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, women's magazines. Well, some women's magazine were. Cleo and
Cosmo were very transgressive when they first started, because when
you go back to those times in the seventies and
the eighties and the nineties when they were probably at
their peak, there was no other women's media and there
was no Internet. So if you were interested in anything
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through a female lens, anything about a woman's life. So
it's a furfe to say that women's magazines were just
about beauty tips and sex tips. They weren't. They were
also about career and relationship and sexual health, and health
and contraception and breast cancer and stories about domestic violence
and eating disorders, so anything to do with being a
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woman or a girl. If you wanted to know about it,
the mainstream media didn't cover it, so you could only
find that information in women's magazines and girls magazines. As
time went on, and certainly after the Internet came along,
they became a little less relevant because they stopped reflecting
perhaps the world as it was. But when I had
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a look at ev when you look at the covers,
ev actually is a print magazine that comes out once
a year, but it's a website and it mostly is
a brand that lives online and social. For a bit
of comparison, Cosmo in the US has about four million
Instagram followers. Evie has a couple of one hundred thousand,
but it's definitely growing, and I think what it reflects
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is this very Megan Markele Ballerine of Farm Nara Smith
tradwife idea, and ironically, all of those women I mentioned
work incredibly hard and have businesses that make it seem
like they don't work, and that kind of fetishizes the
idea of expansive leisure and being able to take homemaking
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to this elevated level and making bath salts and decorating
cakes and you know, dressing nicely. And what's interesting about
EV is that it also has a lot of sex tips.
It has a disclaimer it's for married women only, because
it's very obviously anti abortion, anti casual sex, anti contraception,
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you know, against all those things. So the subversive message
is that this idea of traditional homemaking is the ideal
state for women.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And I suppose it reveals that there was an inherent
politics within the women's magazine and that we took for
granted that that politics was quite left leaning.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think in recent years, yes, like in the Internet era.
Absolutely before that, I wouldn't argue that that was the case.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, and I agree, But I think it's interesting we
see everything very much through a polarized political lens.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I think ideology is a closer thing because the women's magazines,
you know, the whole idea of them was like, you
can be anything you want to be, you go girl, right,
like in lots of different ways, not in.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That literal language and choice feminism.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, And this movement is about trying to appeal to
the women who are turning back towards what they call
more feminine.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Value or have always been like that and have never
felt reflected. So there are a certain portion of women,
for example, who are pro life right and who have
felt alienated by women's media. That broadly, if you're thinking
you Jezebel, the cart Mum and me a like Cosmo Cleo,
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they are I mean, we've explicitly said it, but not
necessarily explicitly saying it. They're pro chose right, or they
talk about contraception very liberally, and so this to me
is a it's a swing back, but clearly they've acknowledged
that there's a gap, and as we've said before, this
is now the status quo. So I think that's why
this started in twenty nineteen, we're now in twenty twenty five,
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and clearly it's met its moment in a way that
it may be kind of.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Trying to, because what it is is it's marketing of
a particular kind of idea of what a woman should be,
and the idea of whether or not that's just reflecting
something that's already there, or whether it's actually a political push.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's a political push.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Of course it is, like because the truth of it
is all the stats tell you that young women are
actually more progressive than they've ever been, and that the
gap between men and women when it comes to politics,
the gender divide in political voting, particularly in America, is
very start.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But whether or not these are the majority, I'm not
saying this. I'm saying they exist.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
They do exist. See I don't think this is the
same as like make some jam. This is like reject feminism,
stay home, submit to your husband. It's making conservative Christian
values sexy.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I reckon, I don't think so necessary. Well, it's sorry,
I think it is. But what's interesting about it is
that they're zeroing in on this kind of moderate, apolitical,
exhausted woman who's really broken down by the lack of
support for working mothers. And I think it's so interesting
that they're positioning feminine as being the opposite of feminist,
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as if feminism and you know, we saw some wild
things on their social media where it was like, I'm
an ex feminist and I once went to this feminist
meeting and everyone was naked and they were slapping people.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That's what I mean that they have a very specific
political agenction.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It's very demonizing of feminism. But I also think that
there's a huge number of women who were really disenfranchised
with this idea that wanting to find a partner, wanting
to be a mother, not wanting to hustle is somehow
a betrayal of feminism, and I think that suggests that
feminism has an image problem, and it always has in
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many ways. But the fact that they don't think that
feminism includes them, and that feminism actively disparages them is
a real shame.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
It's a shame, and it's also I see how they
got there. Yeah, I would say that when I look
at the last ten to fifteen years of feminism, what
it left behind was motherhood. I really think it didn't
do a good enough job at in interrogating and getting
to the complexities of what it is to be a
mother and how.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Hang on difficult feminism or did society in terms of
the structural subjecty.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I don't think that feminism has been talking that much
about motherhood. I think it moved on to a bunch
of niche issues. And I think that for the women
who did get married and have kids, which is still
the status quo, let's not pretend it it isn't. I
don't think feminism knows what to do with them.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I don't think it's feminism. I think it's society. I
think there is no question that the central thesis here,
which is what you'll see in all a lot of
these conservative influences things, which is a truth that feminists
also talk about a lot, which is now we are
expect women broadly are expected to do the lion's share
of work at home and out in the world, and
we haven't been given the support enough to do it.
(15:59):
You'll find that most feminist causes, talking about things like
affordable childcare and domestic equality are a massive part of feminism.
I don't think it's true that they're not they don't
talk about but I think that what this is doing
is it's very much demonizing the idea that all feminists
hate kids, all feminists hate being at home, all feminists
don't want to get married, and none of that is true.
(16:19):
But there's a very convenient conservative message, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Even we were talking on Monday about Chapel Roone saying,
I don't know a happy parent. I can see how
a woman might get to a point where they look
at it and go, I don't know a happy feminist.
Feminists don't seem happy, they seem really tired.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It depends what.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You call a feminist. Most women I know are feminists.
But are you just talking about women who talk online
about feminism a lot and that they don't seem happy?
Because do not think that maybe feminism has just become
so mainstream now that it's kind of everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I know what you're saying. Yeah, maybe I'm thinking about
particular sort of pundits or particular figureheads of feminism, the
most shouty one where Yeah, it got very shouty and
alienating for I think a lot of women, and I
just understand how they got there. And there was a
line in White Lotus this week that I thought encapsulated this,
which was the Mother from North Carolina and she meets
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a woman who's married to an older man, and she
basically says to her.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You're such a darling girl. You're young, you're beautiful. Why
are you with this middle aged weirdo? Does he have
a lot of money? You can't ask that. After the
Carolina I have to introduce you to some respectable men.
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They would heat you up. I actually love Rupert. Are
you scared of you? I could get you out of this.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And there's this sense that we patronize conservative women thinking,
oh my goodness, you're a tool of the patriarchy, you
poor thing. You don't know, but you've been brainwashed and
you're oppressed. And these women are going I am not brainwashed.
I am not oppressed. This is what I believe. Now.
I don't agree with the politics inherent in a lot
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of this, but what I will say is that when
I went on the website, I felt my body physiologically
exhale because I was like, Oh, my god, imagine living
in an existence when we're not oppressed.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They talk about a soft life, that.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It was beautiful, there were no issues, there was no
chattle like all of that stuff. It's likea So what
they're selling has hooked you, because actually there is shitloads
of ideological stuff on that. So, as I said in
my intro, it laws you in with here's the nails
(18:50):
and here's the bluff. But then it's talking about how
contraception is evil, and it's talking about how wanting to earn.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
A living is evil.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You've got The thing about this is it's not at
all about for me, and I think you're falling, not
you specifically, but the argument you're putting forward falls into
a trap that women always have to be pitted against
each other. This has got nothing to do with that.
For me, I think that this is a dangerous and
that's an overstated word, but an interesting thing to observe
and watch right. The owner of it by the way,
she like a lot of Trump world people.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
They say, or we love.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
How much this upsets liberals, She says, liberals hate this magazine.
Why shouldn't there be a magazine for conservative women. I
don't hate it at all, but I find it fascinating
because it's a soft way to get in to a
woman's mind and start whispering in her ear. And what
they're whispering in your ear is don't work, don't make
your own money, don't have bodily autonomy, don't make your
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own choices.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm with you, and dress like a milkman.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And exactly, And it's like and it looks sexy and
beautiful and aspirational because everyone is gorgeous, just like on
the traadwife thing. Everybody has an adoring husband who wants
to have sex with them all the time. Everybody has
these beautiful, well groomed children and these lovely homes. So
it's doing exactly what women's magazines have always done, which
is package aspiration and then law you in and then
(20:05):
give you a lot of standards that are hard to
live up to. Whether that's girl boss life or whether
that's soft wife trad wife life, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
But what this revealed to me was that left wing
publications that might not brand themselves as that have been
doing the same thing for ten years, that you can
go and have a look at all their headlines and go,
there's nothing here, and then you click on one you go, oh,
that's a really radical idea. Whether or not I agree
with it, I can see how if you weren't super
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progressive or super left wing, you would feel alienated by that,
because there's an assumption that you just agree that women
should be having rampant, casual sex and.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That that's empowering for everyone.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yes, and you don't need a man, and you don't
need motherhood, and maybe you don't. And I think, to me,
what feminism is is about choices. But some women find
those choices overwhelming, and some women would like to be
kept because it seems easier than both having to work
as hard as a man but also do all the
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childcare and homemaking as well. As I was preparing for this,
I got an email from Megan Markle. Would you please stop.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Pooking Megan would be very upset to think that you're
putting her in the same bucket asn't well.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I think it's all under the same umbrella, because in
this email, she says, in part of course, you'll find
the raspberry spread that started it all presented in keep
safe packaging that you can repurpose to tuck away love
notes or special treasures and to remember this pivotal moment
with me. Think of it as our time capsule. And
by the way, once you've enjoyed every spoonful of this
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fruit spread, you may want to do what I do,
rinse the jar and use it as a small bud
vase for flowers on your nightstand or to hold your
pens on your desk.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I think that sounds lovely and also the time.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But I think what you missed is that not everybody
who likes housy things are trying to sell you a
conservative nightmare.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
But these people are, I understand. But my point is
that this idea of these women and missus Hugo Boom,
who who is the thirty three year old co founder
of Evy along with her husband and Megan, both have
to work really, really, really hard and have a huge
number of let's be honest, other women in their lives
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doing the actual work of helping to look after their
children and helping to clean their houses and do all
of those things. And that's fine, But to me, it's
more the disconnection with we're all just pretending that we're
not working. So you have to work really hard because
everybody needs to earn money, but then you also have
to be this domestic goddess, which just feels like more pressure.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I listened to an interview with the founder who said
that this magazine or this publication is about women who
want love and marriage. Right, that was like her summary
of what it means. There is a portion of feminism.
To even talk about it as some kind of homogeneous
thing is ridiculous. But let's just say some of the
loudest voices maybe have disparage love and marriage, maybe have
(23:05):
suggested that there some.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Do doesn't work out that well for everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Exactly it doesn't. And there has been some really valid
and important criticisms of those institutions. And they say that
they have data to suggest that most women still want
love and marriage. Then they're just going, well, this is.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's like been shamed for wanting to find a soul mate.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Which yeah, and I think the love and marriage, I
think the disparaging as description of what she's selling, but
the disparaging of love and marriage or the suggestion that
that is somehow anti feminist to want I think what's
happened is that's left a wide gaping hole for the
trad wife phenomenon, is that it is something that has
just been left women have been looking to be reflected.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I agree with you, but I also one of
the things that I find kind of troubling about all
this is that everything in life now has to be
so polarized. So if you do like making jam or
baking cakes, are staying home, then you're conservative.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Just finally, on the birth control point, I also think
that's another wide open hole that has maybe been something
we haven't interrogated enough, and therefore it's been co opted
by a conservative agenda when there are a lot of
women who aren't necessarily conservative, who are going, hey, actually
want to kind of flag that there are some issues.
(24:19):
Like as a millennial woman who was prescribed birth control
at fourteen because I had terrible periods and it changed
my body, it changed my moods, and then when I
went to the doctor and when I've got anxiety and depression,
I was then medicated more on a different medication, like
it is something that needs to be discussed. I understand
(24:41):
how women have been radicalized into this, Like, we don't
do any contraception thing because I think it's been clumsily
done at points.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So the other business that these co founders have is
a natural hormonal tracking app. It's like a fertility app
that helps you try and avoid or seek pregnancy based
on where you are at in your cycle. And they
also sell vitamins for women who want to give up
birth control. You know, it's no accident, of course, that
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they publish a whole lot of articles about how terrible
birth control is now for some women. It really is.
It's not that there's no truth in that, but the
risks of the kind of birth control app that they're
peddling are unexpected pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
And their pro life.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So what are your yes in an America where it's
increasingly hard to do anything about any accidental pregnance.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And you know what's interesting the viral milk may dress,
which they also sell. They say in some of the
marketing warning might cause unplanned pregnancy because you look so hot.
Your husband just can't help.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
But rav isue out louders two brilliant news shows and
a book Hollie is raving about. It is time for
our recommendations just after the break, how aloud us.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
We've got a listener dilemma and we need your collective
wisdom to help us and our partners UI to solve it.
Please all right, So here's the problem, our listener says,
I've made a terrible mistake and need your advice. Last week,
I had an important work dinner with potential clients that
required me to dress more formally than usual. As a
typically casual dresser, I didn't have anything suitable, so I
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asked my friend if I could borrow something.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
This is me every second week to your wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
My friend has an amazing wardrobe. Yes I do, and
immediately offered her favorite cream silk button up shirt from
a designer label that cost around four hundred dollars. She
mentioned it was special to her as she bought it
to celebrate her promotion last year. The dinner went perfectly,
but when I got home, I was exhausted and made
a catastrophic error. Instead of dry cleaning the shirt as
my friend had instructed, I absent mindedly tossed it in
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my washing machine with my regular laundry. When I pulled
it out, it was completely ruined, shrunken, discolored, and the
fabric had that terrible stiff texture that destroyed silk gets.
My friend is message asking when Hra turned her shirt,
and I'm paralyzed with anxiety. But the question is what
do you do next?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I have the answer.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You have to go and read buy the shirt? Of
course you do, four hundred answer, that's the only answer.
You have to go out and buy it. Now that
he is not available, here's your issue if it's not available,
and that is where I pedal my DP pop my
Facebook market. Oh, you then put in the exact thing.
And even if you I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
It's a bit, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
But if can't available, then you're giving.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Your friend it was already.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You have to give her the money. If the shirt
is no longer available, you have to give the money.
And that's the tax borrowing the expensive shit.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I actually completely agree.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I shouldn't borrow expensive things.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
You have people borrow your clothes all the time. What's
your answer to that.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well, I had a friend once borrow a trench coat
that she set on fire. Yeah, accidentally, Yeah, And I
thought it was hilarious, But I don't get that attached
to things. My kids also. Oh, my daughter borrows my
clothes all the time. Often things come back.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
A lite, you would expect someone to replace it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Look, the thing is that when I learn something to someone,
I kind of forget that it's even there. It's like
putting something in storage.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I forget I have clothes. Eye are you?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, don't worry about it. So look, I actually like
your deep up idea. I think the first thing you
need to do is fess up. But only fess up
when you've got the solution. Yeah, whether it's buying a
your shirt or finding one second hand.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Out loud as, what would you do? Share your thoughts
in the mom and Me are Outloud Facebook group and
share any dilemmas that you want to help with their.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Too vibes ideas atmosphere, something casual, something fun. This is
my best recommendation.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's Friday, and we're going to help set up your
weekend with our very best recommendations. I'm going to go
first because I'm the boss here. I have a show
that I watched all weekend and it just made me
laugh until I cried. It is called last one laughing
on Prime Video?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
What was the last jokes that made you laugh? I
haven't laughed since the nineties. About ten comedians and one objective,
do not laugh. You're not allowed to giggle, you're not
allowed to smile.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Time to start the game.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
This is our job, Jimmie. No, we're going to change
the rules now. Can we say that?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
There was an Australian version years ago hosted by Rebel Wilson,
and I thought the oh, I remember, that's genius.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It was so good. Comedians in the room. What happened?
I forget?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So like ten comedians, throw them in a room, lock
the door, six hours, right, and the experiment is you
win if you're the last one to laugh. So they're
all trying to make each other laugh for the entire series.
You get a yellow card if you laugh or you
can't smile either, right, if you get a yellow card
the first time you do it, and then you're sent
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out the second time you do it. And there's always
someone that lasts about five minutes because they're just like,
I can't stop laughing. But what's funny about comedians is
that even in their presenting or if they're trying to
make someone else laugh. It's really hard not to crack
themselves up.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So the best part of it was the facial expressions
they have to pull for the whole time, or someone
says something funny and you watch them have to go
somewhere in their head, and the things that actually get
them like there's always something than you think ridiculous and stupid.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
My memory of the Australian one is that things got
fairly out of control. Really weirdood you've been throwing around,
People were dressing up.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yep, this is less that. I think that there was
nudity in the Australian quite in appropriate. I think someone
to all their clothes off this one. There isn't any nudity.
It's hosted by Jimmy Carr. They are world class comedians.
It is just so much fun. You could probably watch
it with kids. I'm thinking it's.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Not too rude.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't think there's too many naughty words, but it's
funny when Luca and I were watching it, going if
him and I were in a room. You know how,
there's sometimes just one word that will bring about a
story that will just get you, that will just get you,
like it's just.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
How long are they locked in there? For? Six hours?
Six hours?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I'm recommending a different kind of TV show. It's called
The Last Anniversary on Binge.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Fac Yes, so big.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
This habit. You look at the time, the moment you
see your date, just in case I'm the one christ
last time I saw you, you left me the altar, left.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
You at the AirPod and you hadn't proposed yet.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Do you remember my Nana Connie? She left you her
house like a doll's house. Why would she leave you
at doll's house? Why would she leave me her househouse?
No one has managed to solve our mystery. I love the.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Whole Baby mon Morrow's story, but it's not a story,
it's the truth.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
It is a TV show based on Leanne Moriarty's book
My Favorite Leone Mariani. Yeah, it's one of her older books.
It was written before Big Little Eyes. And it's an
Australian series on Binge and it follows Sophie Honeywells. She's
played by Teresa Palmer who is so good in this
and she inherits this house on Scribbly Gum Island, which
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is like a place shrouded in mystery and secrets, and
it explores like family and motherhood and the bonds between
generations of women. It's got an incredible female cast. The
producers are made up stories and also Nicole Kidman Blossom Films.
Nicole's not in it, but made up stories, who also
produces of Strife and many other things. Oh, it's just
(32:17):
so good. It feels very Australian, directed by John Paulson,
beautiful performances. I went to the premiere of it last
week and oh it was just great. Just so many
faces you recognize up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I've only heard brilliant thing. Yeah, it's very Australian, very creamy,
and people say it's just like I.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Can smell the eucalyptus gorgeous on the Hawksbury. I think
it is what I think it is, Ye scribblely Gum
Island doesn't actually exist, but it's just beautiful. Oh I
can't wait, Binge.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I've got an old book that's new again because Nora Efron,
who is a legendary writer right, she is a screenwriter
and a writer. She very famously wrote Heartburn, She wrote
When Harry Met Sally, and Sleepless in Seattle, and lots
of marvelous things. She's also a mad food person. She
is no longer with us. She died quite a long
time ago, but she wrote. In two thousand and six,
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she published a collection of essays called I Feel Bad
about My Neck, which is, as their title suggests, what
a good title. As the title suggests, some of them
are about age, but not all of them. Some of
them are just about her life in New York, about divorce,
about remarriage, about homes, about real estate, about all kinds
of things. It's been re released as an audio book
and she reads it, so obviously she recorded these essays once,
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so it's Naura's voice. Nora's reading these essays, and the
intro has been done by Dolly Alderton, because Dolly is
one of probably the most famous Nora stands in the world.
And she writes her intro about why she loves Noaura
so much, and she reads it, and it's short. It
probably will take you like a couple of hours to
listen to this. And I spent a Saturday afternoon doing
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that recently when I was pottering about home, and it
was the most delightful experience because it's so interesting what
we were just talking about about women's media and how
everything is so polarized now because Efron wrote about feminism
with a small you know like, which I think is
how most women actually experience feminism, which is just it's
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given me choices in my life, right.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
To vote and have my own bank account.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And to launch a media company where only women write.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Exactly that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And Nora was a newspaper columnist, a journalist, a political reporter.
At one point she moved in these opper echelons of
New York and Washington society so very like East Coast elite.
But the writing is so engaging and so funny, and
it made me think that now I don't know if
Nora Efron could exist in quite the same way, because
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everybody would say that's not relatable.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
There'd be one hundred think pieces about every piece that
she wrote.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Whereas she could just put it out there. And some
of them are about her obsessions with trying to cook
a particular dish, but they're just so brilliant. And some
of them are about when she met jfk as a
young intern in the White House, which is mind boggling,
and then some of them are about rent control apartments
in New York City, and like it's just delightful, and
anyone who loves funny, sharp writing, she'd love Nora, I
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feel bad about my neck. The audiobook it's available everywhere,
with the intro by Dolly Alderton out Louders.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
A few weeks ago, we spoke about micro pettiness, and
there's a bit of a question that's been going around
that has made us think of a new kind of
micro pettiness. A social media us posted the question, you're
a burglar, but you only steal things to slightly inconvenience
your victims. What are you stealing? So you're basically you're
a micro petty burglar? Jesse, what are you stealing?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Or the forks?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I had forks written down? Fawks?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I really like just the conditioner. Oh yes, I know
the feeling of In fact, you know what, here's what
I want to do. Squeeze the conditioner down the toilet
so the conditioner bottles still there. You think you got enough,
then you shampoo your hair all naughty, and now what
are you gonna do? You're gonna have a bad a
one piece from each bedding set, so I have two
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betting sets, and what I want to do is just
take like one pillow case and like one sheet, so
that you'll never have a full never quite matches. That
never quite matches an HD in my cable.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That remind that's just one.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
And it also made me think of we have a
family friend. They really got burgled, right, someone came in
and stole a bunch of stuff. And something that they
stole was his Easter egg collection.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Is Easter egg collection?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, heaps of stregg person with a lot of self control.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Don't they go bad? Well?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I think it must have been around Easter, but it
was a big thing of East eggs, right. And this
burglar whenever I see that, I just see a man
in a black and white thing with a beanie on,
but like doing a little yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah cat burglar, Yeah yeah kat Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Anyway, stole all the Easter eggs, took the big bucket,
but the bucket happened to have this person's name on it,
and so he was caught by the police.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I steal all of one type of charger, just so
that you've only got the wrong charger or whatever device
you need. Yeah, And if I was being a micro
petty person just around this table, like if I went
into your household and I was being micro petty. I'd
steal your salt. Oh, yes, Jesse, I'd steal your liquid
eye liner.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yes, you know what I'd steal. I'd steal the lids
off Holly's lipsticks.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Oh my gosh, that would be devastating my hambag and
they get all mushy. I would steal all working pens.
I'm always looking for a pen in my house, and
they're never working.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Just replace them with crayons.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Crayons hair I am always looking for a hair tie constantly.
Never find a hair tie, and lids the right lid
to the food container, Like, come on, you know what,
somebody just do that in my house. I'm sure I'd
go to your scissors and i'd open the scissors and
I'd break the scissors.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
So you've only got half a siss half a scissor
half a scissor. So what are you gonna do with that? Yes, exactly,
and I haven't thrown them away.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, I'd take all the toothbrushes, but I'd leave you
the toothpaste, so you'd have to brush your teeth with
your finger, which is or your hair brush.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
After the break, new hair the worst weekend in the
history of weekends and me as Weekend with her People.
It's our best and Worst of the Week out loud as.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
If you want to listen to us every day of
the week, you can get access to exclusive segments on
Tuesdays and Thursdays by becoming a Mum and Me a subscriber.
Follow the link in the show notes to subscribe and
support us. And a big thank you to all our
current subscribers. It's time for Best and Worst, the part
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of the show where we share a little more from
our personal lives. I'm going to go first. My worst
of the week is then, I've been wanting to actually
say that my best of the week or my recommendation
is that I've been doing weight training. You know I've
got my.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Weight best for a while.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Maybe I already have said that is my best of
the week, right, My worst is that I weighted too hard.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Isn't that just growing muscle.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Between my vest and I was increasing my weightload of
my handweight?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
How can I just ask how much five kilo dumbbells?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Wow? You just just me left at the gym Arnold
Schwarzenegger six. I'm actually quite impressed I have done something
to my lower back and I can't You've not engaged forward. Yeah,
I haven't engaged my core enough, and so now I
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can't really walk very well because it hurts. My best
is that this time last week on Friday night, we
did an event in the Apple Store and it was
Emelia Lester interviewing the three of us about ten years
of podcasting without loud because it's our birthday last year,
this year something. And there are about five hundred or
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six hundred out louders that came and looking around at everybody,
and there were I reckon there were three generations of faces,
maybe four because that was a little baby. There were
all kinds of people and just doing this show like
we have the outlouders our minds, but there's something about
sitting in front of them and seeing them just beaming
back to us. And it was the first time Amelia
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had been in that situation and sharing that with my
best friend, having her feel that love because she's done
a lot of important panels and speaking engagements and stuff,
but nothing no, she said, it's usually full of men
in suits scowling at her. And she just said the
love and the just the beaming, happy women was just
a treat, and yeah, it was a treat for all
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of us.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Holly, what was your worst?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
My worst is that my thunder has been stolen at
home and Brent is now a published author.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Okay, can I ask about this? This is not okay,
you have kept this well. I learned on Instagram that
Brent's written the book. I was like, Holy, for all
I've heard about.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
This is it's not. This is why it's my worst.
Is it about us? It's not about any of us.
It's about walking.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And so the reason it's my worst is that, although
obviously I'm very proud of my partner because he's written
a book about walking, is it just means more walking, trousers,
walking shoes, more walking?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Is he walking careage? So now he is?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
So he's compiled a book that's like lots of different
stories about the great walks around Australia, coastal walks.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
It's very beautiful. It's like a coffee table.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But I've thought that, and then I thought, I want
to give that to my mum. And then I thought,
I wonder if Holly has a freebie, because you.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Know, he only brought one copy. The reason one of
the reasons you haven't all had to hear about it
is because I'm like, do you understand how you sell
a book? You give it to people, you show, you
take pictures of it, you put.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
It alone people.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I got my hands on one copy, so I'll bring
you on fran I could anyway?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Does it come with a free pair of zip up No?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Do you remember how recently on the show, I was
dissing his fashion and I was saying, help me, and
I got lots of good advice from out louders and
they were saying, yes, you said me a uniclo and
this and that and whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
But now that he's.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Digging in with all the fame about his walking, I
am doomed.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
To a life of trousers and wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It is like a coffee table beautiful book, and obviously
I'm very proud of him, but it's called Great Coastal Walks, okay?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
And can you actually can I.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Go into And one of the cute things is is
on the Big w website, it's got his book and
my book next to each other because I's pre ordered,
and I was like, that's so nice because you're coming
out in April, so very soon. But yes, he has
stolen my thunder and please do not support Breadpa Kane
by buying.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
His bad I don't want to encourage. I'm joking, of
course you should.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
My best though, is doing new things. I got my
hair dyed last week for the first time in my
entire life, and I didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Could you believe how long it took? Maya and I like.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
To result to be clear, is I like, I really
like how it looks. We've talked before about how we
have like a group hair dresser who.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Mia introduced us all to. He's amazing. She's called El
and she works in Sydney.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But she when I went to see her last time,
she was like a bit of color and I was like, oh,
I don't know, I've never done it. I've never done it.
And she's like, come on now me. I was like, yes,
come on now. So I went and I didn't know
what to expect. And I know that every out louder
in the whole world is like what you don't need
to explain.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
She sent us a picture of her in foils, just
like looking shocked. I was shocked and I was like,
I look like a lion and also made a foil,
made a foil. And also this takes a lot of time.
Being blonde. A is exhausted.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I was in there for like four hours and maybe longer.
And anyway, it does look lovely. She did a great
job because I was worried that I'd look really different.
And it's so funny because I message Brent and he said,
oh my god, you're getting your hair died, and I
think he thought I was going to come home with
like yeah, but of course he didn't even notice.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Because it's so very natural. But it shows you can
do new things.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
We won't reveal what, but we did something very fun
at work this week too for the live show. If
you think of coming to the live show, it wasn't
the singing and dancing, something completely different that none of
us had ever done before.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
And if you want to see me in particular, I
have what can only be described as a breakdown. Oh
it was so fun that I lost my mind. I
made to have an ice pil I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Laughing about that.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I love new experiences. I'm like, I want to do
more new things. Maybe that can be one of my
ambitions for the rest this year. Anyway, on the live show,
which you have to come to to see Jesse, you
have a nervous break down. Among other things, Sydney is
sold out friends, Perth has been sold out for ages,
but there are a handful of like secret tickets left
for Sydney. There are a few tickets for Melbourne and
a few tickets for Brisbane. The link will be in
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the show.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Not It's next month, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It's really soon? Can't wait over to you, Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
My worst is that weekend before last when I wasn't
on the show. Our whole family struck with illness. The
RSV hadn't had it before. Luna got it. I got it.
And you know when you're so sick that you shouldn't
be out of bed, but you've got a child ticket,
so there's no choice. Wow, the wheels just fell off.
It was hard to find the low point.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
But were you one of those parents that chapel Rohn
is referring to.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yes, this story, I'll make your house thrown. Just want
to get pregnant immediately. A low point was definitely when
Luna was in her pram. She fell forward into a gutter,
nearly lost her mouthful of tea, basted all our lips
like horrible. Then I end up at an urgent care clinic.
You know things are bad when you're on the street
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in public, in tears and you go, this is not
a good day for us. But we need the highs
and lowers in life, don't we. Because the following weekend
was my absolute best. We were all well, I slept.
One of the hardest things about that being sick was
not only that it was we were trying to recover
and look after Luna, but I had a keynote at
the end of last week and it required me to
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write it Yes of speech, and it felt like I
had this assignment over my head all week that even
when I was resting or sick, it was just like, no,
you've got this thing to do, and it's a really
big thing, and I don't have the energy. But I
was better in time for it. I actually felt so
so much satisfaction doing it. Then it was our wedding
anniversary and Luca and I went out to dinner and
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we just had the very best of.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
You two years.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
It was our two year wedding anniversary. Yeah, it was
really nice, really nice.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
That is all We've got time for today out loud
as a massive thank you for being here with us
all week long. It's been a big week and we
will see you next time. Jesse and Mia take us out.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
A big thank you to our team group executive producer.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Ruth Devine, who's not a burgular.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
She's not a burglar, not that we know of. Executive
producer Emmeline Gazillis.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Our audio producer Leap Poor just our video producer Josh Green,
and our junior content producers are co Co and Tessa Bye.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
We know you're not ready to say goodbye drinking which
we thought we'd leave you with a bit of a
conversation we had on a subscriber episode yesterday.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Oh White Lotus have been yelling. They left us to
talk about has been incest.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
We just needed to talk.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
There's been violence, the trio.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Friendship falling apart, and our theories about how it's all
going to end next week. Take a listen.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
We are now down to the last episode. There's only
one episode left to go. We wanted to recap episodes
six and seven, lot or seven and eight. I can't
remember too many episodes. I think some people missed. We
get to that in the moment.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
We didn't do it last week because that was the
one with all the success.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah things, and they said we need to have a
discussion about it.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I don't think i've said incest on this podcast before.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
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of you. I was increasing way weightload of my handweight.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
How can I just ask how much with five kilo dumbbells?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Wow? Just just me what you lift at the gym
Arnold Schwarzenegger six Actually quite a bradst.
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It's Friday, the fourth of April, and my name is
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I'm sorry. Okay, that's a good start on the show.
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Speaker 3 (03:08):
In case you missed it, the generations are fighting again,
but this time it's about something that really matters. It's
high stakes, all right, it's gym clothes. There's an argument
brewing on TikTok and it is between millennials and gen
z Okay again it is like the socks situation. It's
the jeans all over again, but now it's about whether
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or not you wear tight clothes to the gym. Apparently
it is a marker of your age.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So so a tight clothes say you're old or not?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yes, Oh, they say that you're a millennial. So I
acknowledge that this is ridiculous. But millennials apparently opt for
tight on tight, So think like a cropped sports brass
situation or a singlet and then like shorts or tights
or whatever, whereas gens.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Like shorts like tight shorts.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yes, gen z, they say that what's a lot cooler
is to wear something tight on the bottom and then
like an oversized teeth.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh my god, for the first time in a long time,
I am young. I always wear a big, baggy T
shirt and shorts to the gym. Well, apparently, Princess Diana, Yes,
exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's very ninety Apparently tight on tight is very middle school,
and I have no idea what that means. I want
to puff a fish for a moment about gym clothes
because I cannot express how bad I look at the gym.
I do not own a set, and if I did,
I would never be able to find two of the
things at the same time. When I the absolute are
I have for women walking down the street in a
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gym set, I just want to bow down. They're both clean,
you look fabulous. Sometimes they match, Oh goodness, and I
always imagine they just just arrived on their doorstep, because
there's no way you do.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I always like it. I'm like, that's nice to look at.
I appreciate the effort you've gone to before you go
for your walk or your run. I don't go to
the gym, so I don't when I'm in hotels. But
the good thing about exercising at home, which I've done
for almost thirty years now, is that you can wear
your pajamas or your underpants, and I have regularly worn both.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You are the self appointed fashion cross the sports brah.
What do you think about this? Do you think that
wearing a set makes you look like you're a bit
out of touch, like you're a milleniel.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I do think this is the problem, and it's why
people don't want to go to the gym, because it's
a whole other layer of choices and spending and decisions
and insecurity that you don't need. I mean, you need
to go and do your exercise and around a bit.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No place. It has no place in my gym. It
is a sacred space. You can wear a potato sack.
You can if you want, and they're not going to
be comfortable a gym. Yeah, me too, That's my trick.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I pretend I'm invisible. I'm like one of those is
it mere cats to stick the heads in the sand. Yes, No,
that's somebody else's sticks.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I'm an ostrich. Mere cats do the opposite.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They pick up or a one mate, you know, if
he spotted one, but it stays completely still because it
thinks you can't see it.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That's what I'm like at the gym. Not a one
bat does. The way it kills predators is that it
runs really fast away and then it stops suddenly, and
it's got such a sharp tailbone that the predator runs
into its tailbone and is immediately killed.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
There's something very relatable about that meat.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Ev is hot. She is slim with womanly curves. She
looks really good in a low cut, milk made dress.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I bet she'd wear tight clothes to the gym.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
She is married and her favorite thing about her husband
is that he is obsessed with her. She likes skin care,
makeup and manicures, gossip about pete millennial celebrities like Justin Bieber,
and she's just stopped taking the pill. She works, but
not too hard because the soft life beckons. She knows
being a mum is better than being a boss. And
she really doesn't like that new snow White movie even
though she hasn't seen.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It, because he too woke. Yes, definitely too woke. Evie
is not a person.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Evie is actually a magazine and a media brand that
calls itself the conservative Cosmo or other people have labeled
it that, and it's a celebration of femininity over feminism
and over in the US. She actually Evie Magazine represents
something a lot bigger, a sort of pushback that you're
seeing through the rise of trad wife content and all
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those kind of things about the models of womanhood that
are trump for vading generation is done with. So I'll
just give you a couple of quick tastes of the
kind of things that Evi carries. So on the surface,
if you followed their Instagram, a lot of the same
kind of stories you'd see in media aimed at women anywhere,
including bomamere, nail trends, whiteladus theories. But inside things are
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a little more ideological. Take for example, a beauty feature
in our Beauty features are always the standard thing in
women's bags, right. This one was written by Robin Riley,
and it pushes back against body positivity and it celebrates
natural beauty. Here's a little extract without being able to
hold objectively beautiful women up and celebrate their excellence we
lose touch.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
With our ability to create beauty in.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Our own lives. The more obese, over sexualized, and unhealthy
women we hold up, the uglier.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
The ordinary woman becomes. In response, interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Young women in the West have never been more confused
about what it means to be beautiful. Too often they
think letting themselves go and not taking care of themselves
is just fine, because we have beauty at any size.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Now, like Mey at the gym.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
No, they also have sex tips, but they are labeled
for married women only. And here's a little bit about
a piece by millennial rider Delphine Chu about rejecting feminism.
We women are not made for the daily grind. While
men have a twenty four hour testosterone cycle, we have
a four week cycle. There's a lot of cycle talk
in Evie, which I'm sure we'll get to Jesse. That
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impacts everything for our energy level, sweet quality food cravings.
It took me my entire twenties to realize it was
impossible for me to live, love.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Or lead like a man.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Evie's founders are deeply photogenic young married parents, Brittany and
Gabrielle Hugo Boom, and they say that the conventional women's
magazines are too feminist, two ideological, and too antique feminine.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Mia.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You were one of the absolute forefront leaders of women's
magazines in Australia when they were a big thing. Did
you think they were inherently political when you were editing.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, women's magazines. Well, some women's magazine were. Cleo and
Cosmo were very transgressive when they first started, because when
you go back to those times in the seventies and
the eighties and the nineties when they were probably at
their peak, there was no other women's media and there
was no Internet. So if you were interested in anything
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through a female lens, anything about a woman's life. So
it's a furfe to say that women's magazines were just
about beauty tips and sex tips. They weren't. They were
also about career and relationship and sexual health, and health
and contraception and breast cancer and stories about domestic violence
and eating disorders, so anything to do with being a
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woman or a girl. If you wanted to know about it,
the mainstream media didn't cover it, so you could only
find that information in women's magazines and girls magazines. As
time went on, and certainly after the Internet came along,
they became a little less relevant because they stopped reflecting
perhaps the world as it was. But when I had
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a look at ev when you look at the covers,
ev actually is a print magazine that comes out once
a year, but it's a website and it mostly is
a brand that lives online and social. For a bit
of comparison, Cosmo in the US has about four million
Instagram followers. Evie has a couple of one hundred thousand,
but it's definitely growing, and I think what it reflects
(10:34):
is this very Megan Markele Ballerine of Farm Nara Smith
tradwife idea, and ironically, all of those women I mentioned
work incredibly hard and have businesses that make it seem
like they don't work, and that kind of fetishizes the
idea of expansive leisure and being able to take homemaking
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to this elevated level and making bath salts and decorating
cakes and you know, dressing nicely. And what's interesting about
EV is that it also has a lot of sex tips.
It has a disclaimer it's for married women only, because
it's very obviously anti abortion, anti casual sex, anti contraception,
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you know, against all those things. So the subversive message
is that this idea of traditional homemaking is the ideal
state for women.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And I suppose it reveals that there was an inherent
politics within the women's magazine and that we took for
granted that that politics was quite left leaning.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think in recent years, yes, like in the Internet era.
Absolutely before that, I wouldn't argue that that was the case.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, and I agree, But I think it's interesting we
see everything very much through a polarized political lens.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I think ideology is a closer thing because the women's magazines,
you know, the whole idea of them was like, you
can be anything you want to be, you go girl, right,
like in lots of different ways, not in.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That literal language and choice feminism.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, And this movement is about trying to appeal to
the women who are turning back towards what they call
more feminine.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Value or have always been like that and have never
felt reflected. So there are a certain portion of women,
for example, who are pro life right and who have
felt alienated by women's media. That broadly, if you're thinking
you Jezebel, the cart Mum and me a like Cosmo Cleo,
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they are I mean, we've explicitly said it, but not
necessarily explicitly saying it. They're pro chose right, or they
talk about contraception very liberally, and so this to me
is a it's a swing back, but clearly they've acknowledged
that there's a gap, and as we've said before, this
is now the status quo. So I think that's why
this started in twenty nineteen, we're now in twenty twenty five,
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and clearly it's met its moment in a way that
it may be kind of.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Trying to, because what it is is it's marketing of
a particular kind of idea of what a woman should be,
and the idea of whether or not that's just reflecting
something that's already there, or whether it's actually a political push.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's a political push.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Of course it is, like because the truth of it
is all the stats tell you that young women are
actually more progressive than they've ever been, and that the
gap between men and women when it comes to politics,
the gender divide in political voting, particularly in America, is
very start.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
But whether or not these are the majority, I'm not
saying this. I'm saying they exist.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
They do exist. See I don't think this is the
same as like make some jam. This is like reject feminism,
stay home, submit to your husband. It's making conservative Christian
values sexy.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I reckon, I don't think so necessary. Well, it's sorry,
I think it is. But what's interesting about it is
that they're zeroing in on this kind of moderate, apolitical,
exhausted woman who's really broken down by the lack of
support for working mothers. And I think it's so interesting
that they're positioning feminine as being the opposite of feminist,
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as if feminism and you know, we saw some wild
things on their social media where it was like, I'm
an ex feminist and I once went to this feminist
meeting and everyone was naked and they were slapping people.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That's what I mean that they have a very specific
political agenction.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It's very demonizing of feminism. But I also think that
there's a huge number of women who were really disenfranchised
with this idea that wanting to find a partner, wanting
to be a mother, not wanting to hustle is somehow
a betrayal of feminism, and I think that suggests that
feminism has an image problem, and it always has in
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many ways. But the fact that they don't think that
feminism includes them, and that feminism actively disparages them is
a real shame.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
It's a shame, and it's also I see how they
got there. Yeah, I would say that when I look
at the last ten to fifteen years of feminism, what
it left behind was motherhood. I really think it didn't
do a good enough job at in interrogating and getting
to the complexities of what it is to be a
mother and how.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Hang on difficult feminism or did society in terms of
the structural subjecty.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I don't think that feminism has been talking that much
about motherhood. I think it moved on to a bunch
of niche issues. And I think that for the women
who did get married and have kids, which is still
the status quo, let's not pretend it it isn't. I
don't think feminism knows what to do with them.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I don't think it's feminism. I think it's society. I
think there is no question that the central thesis here,
which is what you'll see in all a lot of
these conservative influences things, which is a truth that feminists
also talk about a lot, which is now we are
expect women broadly are expected to do the lion's share
of work at home and out in the world, and
we haven't been given the support enough to do it.
(15:59):
You'll find that most feminist causes, talking about things like
affordable childcare and domestic equality are a massive part of feminism.
I don't think it's true that they're not they don't
talk about but I think that what this is doing
is it's very much demonizing the idea that all feminists
hate kids, all feminists hate being at home, all feminists
don't want to get married, and none of that is true.
(16:19):
But there's a very convenient conservative message, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Even we were talking on Monday about Chapel Roone saying,
I don't know a happy parent. I can see how
a woman might get to a point where they look
at it and go, I don't know a happy feminist.
Feminists don't seem happy, they seem really tired.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
It depends what.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You call a feminist. Most women I know are feminists.
But are you just talking about women who talk online
about feminism a lot and that they don't seem happy?
Because do not think that maybe feminism has just become
so mainstream now that it's kind of everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I know what you're saying. Yeah, maybe I'm thinking about
particular sort of pundits or particular figureheads of feminism, the
most shouty one where Yeah, it got very shouty and
alienating for I think a lot of women, and I
just understand how they got there. And there was a
line in White Lotus this week that I thought encapsulated this,
which was the Mother from North Carolina and she meets
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a woman who's married to an older man, and she
basically says to her.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You're such a darling girl. You're young, you're beautiful. Why
are you with this middle aged weirdo? Does he have
a lot of money? You can't ask that. After the
Carolina I have to introduce you to some respectable men.
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They would heat you up. I actually love Rupert. Are
you scared of you? I could get you out of this.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And there's this sense that we patronize conservative women thinking,
oh my goodness, you're a tool of the patriarchy, you
poor thing. You don't know, but you've been brainwashed and
you're oppressed. And these women are going I am not brainwashed.
I am not oppressed. This is what I believe. Now.
I don't agree with the politics inherent in a lot
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of this, but what I will say is that when
I went on the website, I felt my body physiologically
exhale because I was like, Oh, my god, imagine living
in an existence when we're not oppressed.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
They talk about a soft life, that.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It was beautiful, there were no issues, there was no
chattle like all of that stuff. It's likea So what
they're selling has hooked you, because actually there is shitloads
of ideological stuff on that. So, as I said in
my intro, it laws you in with here's the nails
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and here's the bluff. But then it's talking about how
contraception is evil, and it's talking about how wanting to earn.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
A living is evil.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You've got The thing about this is it's not at
all about for me, and I think you're falling, not
you specifically, but the argument you're putting forward falls into
a trap that women always have to be pitted against
each other. This has got nothing to do with that.
For me, I think that this is a dangerous and
that's an overstated word, but an interesting thing to observe
and watch right. The owner of it by the way,
she like a lot of Trump world people.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
They say, or we love.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
How much this upsets liberals, She says, liberals hate this magazine.
Why shouldn't there be a magazine for conservative women. I
don't hate it at all, but I find it fascinating
because it's a soft way to get in to a
woman's mind and start whispering in her ear. And what
they're whispering in your ear is don't work, don't make
your own money, don't have bodily autonomy, don't make your
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own choices.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm with you, and dress like a milkman.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And exactly, And it's like and it looks sexy and
beautiful and aspirational because everyone is gorgeous, just like on
the traadwife thing. Everybody has an adoring husband who wants
to have sex with them all the time. Everybody has
these beautiful, well groomed children and these lovely homes. So
it's doing exactly what women's magazines have always done, which
is package aspiration and then law you in and then
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give you a lot of standards that are hard to
live up to. Whether that's girl boss life or whether
that's soft wife trad wife life, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
But what this revealed to me was that left wing
publications that might not brand themselves as that have been
doing the same thing for ten years, that you can
go and have a look at all their headlines and go,
there's nothing here, and then you click on one you go, oh,
that's a really radical idea. Whether or not I agree
with it, I can see how if you weren't super
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progressive or super left wing, you would feel alienated by that,
because there's an assumption that you just agree that women
should be having rampant, casual sex and.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
That that's empowering for everyone.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yes, and you don't need a man, and you don't
need motherhood, and maybe you don't. And I think, to me,
what feminism is is about choices. But some women find
those choices overwhelming, and some women would like to be
kept because it seems easier than both having to work
as hard as a man but also do all the
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childcare and homemaking as well. As I was preparing for this,
I got an email from Megan Markle. Would you please stop.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Pooking Megan would be very upset to think that you're
putting her in the same bucket asn't well.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I think it's all under the same umbrella, because in
this email, she says, in part of course, you'll find
the raspberry spread that started it all presented in keep
safe packaging that you can repurpose to tuck away love
notes or special treasures and to remember this pivotal moment
with me. Think of it as our time capsule. And
by the way, once you've enjoyed every spoonful of this
(21:43):
fruit spread, you may want to do what I do,
rinse the jar and use it as a small bud
vase for flowers on your nightstand or to hold your
pens on your desk.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I think that sounds lovely and also the time.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
But I think what you missed is that not everybody
who likes housy things are trying to sell you a
conservative nightmare.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
But these people are, I understand. But my point is
that this idea of these women and missus Hugo Boom,
who who is the thirty three year old co founder
of Evy along with her husband and Megan, both have
to work really, really, really hard and have a huge
number of let's be honest, other women in their lives
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doing the actual work of helping to look after their
children and helping to clean their houses and do all
of those things. And that's fine, But to me, it's
more the disconnection with we're all just pretending that we're
not working. So you have to work really hard because
everybody needs to earn money, but then you also have
to be this domestic goddess, which just feels like more pressure.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I listened to an interview with the founder who said
that this magazine or this publication is about women who
want love and marriage. Right, that was like her summary
of what it means. There is a portion of feminism.
To even talk about it as some kind of homogeneous
thing is ridiculous. But let's just say some of the
loudest voices maybe have disparage love and marriage, maybe have
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suggested that there some.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Do doesn't work out that well for everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Exactly it doesn't. And there has been some really valid
and important criticisms of those institutions. And they say that
they have data to suggest that most women still want
love and marriage. Then they're just going, well, this is.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's like been shamed for wanting to find a soul mate.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Which yeah, and I think the love and marriage, I
think the disparaging as description of what she's selling, but
the disparaging of love and marriage or the suggestion that
that is somehow anti feminist to want I think what's
happened is that's left a wide gaping hole for the
trad wife phenomenon, is that it is something that has
just been left women have been looking to be reflected.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, I agree with you, but I also one of
the things that I find kind of troubling about all
this is that everything in life now has to be
so polarized. So if you do like making jam or
baking cakes, are staying home, then you're conservative.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Just finally, on the birth control point, I also think
that's another wide open hole that has maybe been something
we haven't interrogated enough, and therefore it's been co opted
by a conservative agenda when there are a lot of
women who aren't necessarily conservative, who are going, hey, actually
want to kind of flag that there are some issues.
(24:19):
Like as a millennial woman who was prescribed birth control
at fourteen because I had terrible periods and it changed
my body, it changed my moods, and then when I
went to the doctor and when I've got anxiety and depression,
I was then medicated more on a different medication, like
it is something that needs to be discussed. I understand
(24:41):
how women have been radicalized into this, Like, we don't
do any contraception thing because I think it's been clumsily
done at points.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So the other business that these co founders have is
a natural hormonal tracking app. It's like a fertility app
that helps you try and avoid or seek pregnancy based
on where you are at in your cycle. And they
also sell vitamins for women who want to give up
birth control. You know, it's no accident, of course, that
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they publish a whole lot of articles about how terrible
birth control is now for some women. It really is.
It's not that there's no truth in that, but the
risks of the kind of birth control app that they're
peddling are unexpected pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
And their pro life.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So what are your yes in an America where it's
increasingly hard to do anything about any accidental pregnance.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And you know what's interesting the viral milk may dress,
which they also sell. They say in some of the
marketing warning might cause unplanned pregnancy because you look so hot.
Your husband just can't help.
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I've made a terrible mistake and need your advice. Last week,
I had an important work dinner with potential clients that
required me to dress more formally than usual. As a
typically casual dresser, I didn't have anything suitable, so I
(26:18):
asked my friend if I could borrow something.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
This is me every second week to your wardrobe.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
My friend has an amazing wardrobe. Yes I do, and
immediately offered her favorite cream silk button up shirt from
a designer label that cost around four hundred dollars. She
mentioned it was special to her as she bought it
to celebrate her promotion last year. The dinner went perfectly,
but when I got home, I was exhausted and made
a catastrophic error. Instead of dry cleaning the shirt as
my friend had instructed, I absent mindedly tossed it in
(26:43):
my washing machine with my regular laundry. When I pulled
it out, it was completely ruined, shrunken, discolored, and the
fabric had that terrible stiff texture that destroyed silk gets.
My friend is message asking when Hra turned her shirt,
and I'm paralyzed with anxiety. But the question is what
do you do next?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I have the answer.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You have to go and read buy the shirt? Of
course you do, four hundred answer, that's the only answer.
You have to go out and buy it. Now that
he is not available, here's your issue if it's not available,
and that is where I pedal my DP pop my
Facebook market. Oh, you then put in the exact thing.
And even if you I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
It's a bit, you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
But if can't available, then you're giving.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Your friend it was already.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You have to give her the money. If the shirt
is no longer available, you have to give the money.
And that's the tax borrowing the expensive shit.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I actually completely agree.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I shouldn't borrow expensive things.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
You have people borrow your clothes all the time. What's
your answer to that.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well, I had a friend once borrow a trench coat
that she set on fire. Yeah, accidentally, Yeah, And I
thought it was hilarious, But I don't get that attached
to things. My kids also. Oh, my daughter borrows my
clothes all the time. Often things come back.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
A lite, you would expect someone to replace it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Look, the thing is that when I learn something to someone,
I kind of forget that it's even there. It's like
putting something in storage.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I forget I have clothes. Eye are you?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, don't worry about it. So look, I actually like
your deep up idea. I think the first thing you
need to do is fess up. But only fess up
when you've got the solution. Yeah, whether it's buying a
your shirt or finding one second hand.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Out loud as, what would you do? Share your thoughts
in the mom and Me are Outloud Facebook group and
share any dilemmas that you want to help with their.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Too vibes ideas atmosphere, something casual, something fun. This is
my best recommendation.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's Friday, and we're going to help set up your
weekend with our very best recommendations. I'm going to go
first because I'm the boss here. I have a show
that I watched all weekend and it just made me
laugh until I cried. It is called last one laughing
on Prime Video?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
What was the last jokes that made you laugh? I
haven't laughed since the nineties. About ten comedians and one objective,
do not laugh. You're not allowed to giggle, you're not
allowed to smile.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Time to start the game.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
This is our job, Jimmie. No, we're going to change
the rules now. Can we say that?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
There was an Australian version years ago hosted by Rebel Wilson,
and I thought the oh, I remember, that's genius.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It was so good. Comedians in the room. What happened?
I forget?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So like ten comedians, throw them in a room, lock
the door, six hours, right, and the experiment is you
win if you're the last one to laugh. So they're
all trying to make each other laugh for the entire series.
You get a yellow card if you laugh or you
can't smile either, right, if you get a yellow card
the first time you do it, and then you're sent
(29:35):
out the second time you do it. And there's always
someone that lasts about five minutes because they're just like,
I can't stop laughing. But what's funny about comedians is
that even in their presenting or if they're trying to
make someone else laugh. It's really hard not to crack
themselves up.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So the best part of it was the facial expressions
they have to pull for the whole time, or someone
says something funny and you watch them have to go
somewhere in their head, and the things that actually get
them like there's always something than you think ridiculous and stupid.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
My memory of the Australian one is that things got
fairly out of control. Really weirdood you've been throwing around,
People were dressing up.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yep, this is less that. I think that there was
nudity in the Australian quite in appropriate. I think someone
to all their clothes off this one. There isn't any nudity.
It's hosted by Jimmy Carr. They are world class comedians.
It is just so much fun. You could probably watch
it with kids. I'm thinking it's.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Not too rude.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I don't think there's too many naughty words, but it's
funny when Luca and I were watching it, going if
him and I were in a room. You know how,
there's sometimes just one word that will bring about a
story that will just get you, that will just get you,
like it's just.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
How long are they locked in there? For? Six hours?
Six hours?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I'm recommending a different kind of TV show. It's called
The Last Anniversary on Binge.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Fac Yes, so big.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
This habit. You look at the time, the moment you
see your date, just in case I'm the one christ
last time I saw you, you left me the altar, left.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
You at the AirPod and you hadn't proposed yet.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Do you remember my Nana Connie? She left you her
house like a doll's house. Why would she leave you
at doll's house? Why would she leave me her househouse?
No one has managed to solve our mystery. I love the.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Whole Baby mon Morrow's story, but it's not a story,
it's the truth.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
It is a TV show based on Leanne Moriarty's book
My Favorite Leone Mariani. Yeah, it's one of her older books.
It was written before Big Little Eyes. And it's an
Australian series on Binge and it follows Sophie Honeywells. She's
played by Teresa Palmer who is so good in this
and she inherits this house on Scribbly Gum Island, which
(31:56):
is like a place shrouded in mystery and secrets, and
it explores like family and motherhood and the bonds between
generations of women. It's got an incredible female cast. The
producers are made up stories and also Nicole Kidman Blossom Films.
Nicole's not in it, but made up stories, who also
produces of Strife and many other things. Oh, it's just
(32:17):
so good. It feels very Australian, directed by John Paulson,
beautiful performances. I went to the premiere of it last
week and oh it was just great. Just so many
faces you recognize up on the screen.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I've only heard brilliant thing. Yeah, it's very Australian, very creamy,
and people say it's just like I.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Can smell the eucalyptus gorgeous on the Hawksbury. I think
it is what I think it is, Ye scribblely Gum
Island doesn't actually exist, but it's just beautiful. Oh I
can't wait, Binge.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I've got an old book that's new again because Nora Efron,
who is a legendary writer right, she is a screenwriter
and a writer. She very famously wrote Heartburn, She wrote
When Harry Met Sally, and Sleepless in Seattle, and lots
of marvelous things. She's also a mad food person. She
is no longer with us. She died quite a long
time ago, but she wrote. In two thousand and six,
(33:07):
she published a collection of essays called I Feel Bad
about My Neck, which is, as their title suggests, what
a good title. As the title suggests, some of them
are about age, but not all of them. Some of
them are just about her life in New York, about divorce,
about remarriage, about homes, about real estate, about all kinds
of things. It's been re released as an audio book
and she reads it, so obviously she recorded these essays once,
(33:30):
so it's Naura's voice. Nora's reading these essays, and the
intro has been done by Dolly Alderton, because Dolly is
one of probably the most famous Nora stands in the world.
And she writes her intro about why she loves Noaura
so much, and she reads it, and it's short. It
probably will take you like a couple of hours to
listen to this. And I spent a Saturday afternoon doing
(33:53):
that recently when I was pottering about home, and it
was the most delightful experience because it's so interesting what
we were just talking about about women's media and how
everything is so polarized now because Efron wrote about feminism
with a small you know like, which I think is
how most women actually experience feminism, which is just it's
(34:14):
given me choices in my life, right.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
To vote and have my own bank account.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And to launch a media company where only women write.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Exactly that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And Nora was a newspaper columnist, a journalist, a political reporter.
At one point she moved in these opper echelons of
New York and Washington society so very like East Coast elite.
But the writing is so engaging and so funny, and
it made me think that now I don't know if
Nora Efron could exist in quite the same way, because
(34:45):
everybody would say that's not relatable.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
There'd be one hundred think pieces about every piece that
she wrote.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Whereas she could just put it out there. And some
of them are about her obsessions with trying to cook
a particular dish, but they're just so brilliant. And some
of them are about when she met jfk as a
young intern in the White House, which is mind boggling,
and then some of them are about rent control apartments
in New York City, and like it's just delightful, and
anyone who loves funny, sharp writing, she'd love Nora, I
(35:12):
feel bad about my neck. The audiobook it's available everywhere,
with the intro by Dolly Alderton out Louders.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
A few weeks ago, we spoke about micro pettiness, and
there's a bit of a question that's been going around
that has made us think of a new kind of
micro pettiness. A social media us posted the question, you're
a burglar, but you only steal things to slightly inconvenience
your victims. What are you stealing? So you're basically you're
a micro petty burglar? Jesse, what are you stealing?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Or the forks?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I had forks written down? Fawks?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I really like just the conditioner. Oh yes, I know
the feeling of In fact, you know what, here's what
I want to do. Squeeze the conditioner down the toilet
so the conditioner bottles still there. You think you got enough,
then you shampoo your hair all naughty, and now what
are you gonna do? You're gonna have a bad a
one piece from each bedding set, so I have two
(36:05):
betting sets, and what I want to do is just
take like one pillow case and like one sheet, so
that you'll never have a full never quite matches. That
never quite matches an HD in my cable.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That remind that's just one.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
And it also made me think of we have a
family friend. They really got burgled, right, someone came in
and stole a bunch of stuff. And something that they
stole was his Easter egg collection.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Is Easter egg collection?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, heaps of stregg person with a lot of self control.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Don't they go bad? Well?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I think it must have been around Easter, but it
was a big thing of East eggs, right. And this
burglar whenever I see that, I just see a man
in a black and white thing with a beanie on,
but like doing a little yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah cat burglar, Yeah yeah kat Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Anyway, stole all the Easter eggs, took the big bucket,
but the bucket happened to have this person's name on it,
and so he was caught by the police.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I steal all of one type of charger, just so
that you've only got the wrong charger or whatever device
you need. Yeah, And if I was being a micro
petty person just around this table, like if I went
into your household and I was being micro petty. I'd
steal your salt. Oh, yes, Jesse, I'd steal your liquid
eye liner.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yes, you know what I'd steal. I'd steal the lids
off Holly's lipsticks.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Oh my gosh, that would be devastating my hambag and
they get all mushy. I would steal all working pens.
I'm always looking for a pen in my house, and
they're never working.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Just replace them with crayons.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Crayons hair I am always looking for a hair tie constantly.
Never find a hair tie, and lids the right lid
to the food container, Like, come on, you know what,
somebody just do that in my house. I'm sure I'd
go to your scissors and i'd open the scissors and
I'd break the scissors.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
So you've only got half a siss half a scissor
half a scissor. So what are you gonna do with that? Yes, exactly,
and I haven't thrown them away.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, I'd take all the toothbrushes, but I'd leave you
the toothpaste, so you'd have to brush your teeth with
your finger, which is or your hair brush.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
After the break, new hair the worst weekend in the
history of weekends and me as Weekend with her People.
It's our best and Worst of the Week out loud as.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
If you want to listen to us every day of
the week, you can get access to exclusive segments on
Tuesdays and Thursdays by becoming a Mum and Me a subscriber.
Follow the link in the show notes to subscribe and
support us. And a big thank you to all our
current subscribers. It's time for Best and Worst, the part
(38:39):
of the show where we share a little more from
our personal lives. I'm going to go first. My worst
of the week is then, I've been wanting to actually
say that my best of the week or my recommendation
is that I've been doing weight training. You know I've
got my.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Weight best for a while.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Maybe I already have said that is my best of
the week, right, My worst is that I weighted too hard.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Isn't that just growing muscle.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Between my vest and I was increasing my weightload of
my handweight?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
How can I just ask how much five kilo dumbbells?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Wow? You just just me left at the gym Arnold
Schwarzenegger six. I'm actually quite impressed I have done something
to my lower back and I can't You've not engaged forward. Yeah,
I haven't engaged my core enough, and so now I
(39:32):
can't really walk very well because it hurts. My best
is that this time last week on Friday night, we
did an event in the Apple Store and it was
Emelia Lester interviewing the three of us about ten years
of podcasting without loud because it's our birthday last year,
this year something. And there are about five hundred or
(39:53):
six hundred out louders that came and looking around at everybody,
and there were I reckon there were three generations of faces,
maybe four because that was a little baby. There were
all kinds of people and just doing this show like
we have the outlouders our minds, but there's something about
sitting in front of them and seeing them just beaming
back to us. And it was the first time Amelia
(40:15):
had been in that situation and sharing that with my
best friend, having her feel that love because she's done
a lot of important panels and speaking engagements and stuff,
but nothing no, she said, it's usually full of men
in suits scowling at her. And she just said the
love and the just the beaming, happy women was just
a treat, and yeah, it was a treat for all
(40:36):
of us.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Holly, what was your worst?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
My worst is that my thunder has been stolen at
home and Brent is now a published author.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Okay, can I ask about this? This is not okay,
you have kept this well. I learned on Instagram that
Brent's written the book. I was like, Holy, for all
I've heard about.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
This is it's not. This is why it's my worst.
Is it about us? It's not about any of us.
It's about walking.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And so the reason it's my worst is that, although
obviously I'm very proud of my partner because he's written
a book about walking, is it just means more walking, trousers,
walking shoes, more walking?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Is he walking careage? So now he is?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
So he's compiled a book that's like lots of different
stories about the great walks around Australia, coastal walks.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
It's very beautiful. It's like a coffee table.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But I've thought that, and then I thought, I want
to give that to my mum. And then I thought,
I wonder if Holly has a freebie, because you.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Know, he only brought one copy. The reason one of
the reasons you haven't all had to hear about it
is because I'm like, do you understand how you sell
a book? You give it to people, you show, you
take pictures of it, you put.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
It alone people.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I got my hands on one copy, so I'll bring
you on fran I could anyway?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Does it come with a free pair of zip up No?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Do you remember how recently on the show, I was
dissing his fashion and I was saying, help me, and
I got lots of good advice from out louders and
they were saying, yes, you said me a uniclo and
this and that and whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
But now that he's.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Digging in with all the fame about his walking, I
am doomed.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
To a life of trousers and wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
It is like a coffee table beautiful book, and obviously
I'm very proud of him, but it's called Great Coastal Walks, okay?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
And can you actually can I.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Go into And one of the cute things is is
on the Big w website, it's got his book and
my book next to each other because I's pre ordered,
and I was like, that's so nice because you're coming
out in April, so very soon. But yes, he has
stolen my thunder and please do not support Breadpa Kane
by buying.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
His bad I don't want to encourage. I'm joking, of
course you should.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
My best though, is doing new things. I got my
hair dyed last week for the first time in my
entire life, and I didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Could you believe how long it took? Maya and I like.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
To result to be clear, is I like, I really
like how it looks. We've talked before about how we
have like a group hair dresser who.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Mia introduced us all to. He's amazing. She's called El
and she works in Sydney.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But she when I went to see her last time,
she was like a bit of color and I was like, oh,
I don't know, I've never done it. I've never done it.
And she's like, come on now me. I was like, yes,
come on now. So I went and I didn't know
what to expect. And I know that every out louder
in the whole world is like what you don't need
to explain.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
She sent us a picture of her in foils, just
like looking shocked. I was shocked and I was like,
I look like a lion and also made a foil,
made a foil. And also this takes a lot of time.
Being blonde. A is exhausted.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I was in there for like four hours and maybe longer.
And anyway, it does look lovely. She did a great
job because I was worried that I'd look really different.
And it's so funny because I message Brent and he said,
oh my god, you're getting your hair died, and I
think he thought I was going to come home with
like yeah, but of course he didn't even notice.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Because it's so very natural. But it shows you can
do new things.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
We won't reveal what, but we did something very fun
at work this week too for the live show. If
you think of coming to the live show, it wasn't
the singing and dancing, something completely different that none of
us had ever done before.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
And if you want to see me in particular, I
have what can only be described as a breakdown. Oh
it was so fun that I lost my mind. I
made to have an ice pil I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Laughing about that.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I love new experiences. I'm like, I want to do
more new things. Maybe that can be one of my
ambitions for the rest this year. Anyway, on the live show,
which you have to come to to see Jesse, you
have a nervous break down. Among other things, Sydney is
sold out friends, Perth has been sold out for ages,
but there are a handful of like secret tickets left
for Sydney. There are a few tickets for Melbourne and
a few tickets for Brisbane. The link will be in
(44:31):
the show.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Not It's next month, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It's really soon? Can't wait over to you, Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
My worst is that weekend before last when I wasn't
on the show. Our whole family struck with illness. The
RSV hadn't had it before. Luna got it. I got it.
And you know when you're so sick that you shouldn't
be out of bed, but you've got a child ticket,
so there's no choice. Wow, the wheels just fell off.
It was hard to find the low point.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
But were you one of those parents that chapel Rohn
is referring to.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yes, this story, I'll make your house thrown. Just want
to get pregnant immediately. A low point was definitely when
Luna was in her pram. She fell forward into a gutter,
nearly lost her mouthful of tea, basted all our lips
like horrible. Then I end up at an urgent care clinic.
You know things are bad when you're on the street
(45:20):
in public, in tears and you go, this is not
a good day for us. But we need the highs
and lowers in life, don't we. Because the following weekend
was my absolute best. We were all well, I slept.
One of the hardest things about that being sick was
not only that it was we were trying to recover
and look after Luna, but I had a keynote at
the end of last week and it required me to
(45:42):
write it Yes of speech, and it felt like I
had this assignment over my head all week that even
when I was resting or sick, it was just like, no,
you've got this thing to do, and it's a really
big thing, and I don't have the energy. But I
was better in time for it. I actually felt so
so much satisfaction doing it. Then it was our wedding
anniversary and Luca and I went out to dinner and
(46:04):
we just had the very best of.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
You two years.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
It was our two year wedding anniversary. Yeah, it was
really nice, really nice.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
That is all We've got time for today out loud
as a massive thank you for being here with us
all week long. It's been a big week and we
will see you next time. Jesse and Mia take us out.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
A big thank you to our team group executive producer.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Ruth Devine, who's not a burgular.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
She's not a burglar, not that we know of. Executive
producer Emmeline Gazillis.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Our audio producer Leap Poor just our video producer Josh Green,
and our junior content producers are co Co and Tessa Bye.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
We know you're not ready to say goodbye drinking which
we thought we'd leave you with a bit of a
conversation we had on a subscriber episode yesterday.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Oh White Lotus have been yelling. They left us to
talk about has been incest.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
We just needed to talk.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
There's been violence, the trio.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Friendship falling apart, and our theories about how it's all
going to end next week. Take a listen.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
We are now down to the last episode. There's only
one episode left to go. We wanted to recap episodes
six and seven, lot or seven and eight. I can't
remember too many episodes. I think some people missed. We
get to that in the moment.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
We didn't do it last week because that was the
one with all the success.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah things, and they said we need to have a
discussion about it.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I don't think i've said incest on this podcast before.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
No, let's start with that with the incesses from episode six,
and I think shout out to any Mum and MEA
subscribers listening. If you love the show and you want
to support us, subscribing to Mom and Mia is the
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
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