May 8, 2025 • 46 mins
There are some things that just shouldn't go up a vagina. And no, we’re not just talking deodorants and douches. OF COURSE WE’RE NOT. This particular No Fly Zone for lady gardens includes DJs and drummers. But what would you add and why?
Plus, why and how has Katy Perry become the internet's favourite punching bag? Following her Blue Origin space flight fiasco and controversial tour launch, Mia, Jessie and Holly dive into the brutal world of pop star reinvention.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It is the funnest weekend activity.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Jesse honestly, she's domestic goddess. Now I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out Loud on a
Friday where we just chill up, relaxed, be cool, have fun.
Nothing from the news cycle here. Today is Friday, the
ninth of May, and my name is Hollywayne Wright.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm mea Friedman and I'm Jesse Stephens.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And on Today's show, when you're a famous woman and
it seems like the whole world is mocking you, what's
your next move? Welcome to being Katy Perry right now.
Recommendations for the weekend, including the TV twist that made
Me cry, a show the Outloud has been clamoring to recommend,
and something from Jesse's House, and our best and Worst
of the week, which include microaggressions, shopping toddlers, and some
(01:10):
beautiful words. But first me a Freedman.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
In case you missed it, there are some things that
you shouldn't put in your vagina?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Is this like from an emergency department perspective.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's from a women's health coach. Her name is Julia G. Wellness,
and she made a TikTok about how important it is
not to disrupt the microbiome of your vagina by putting
things in there like deodorized products or douches or anything fragrance.
She also said tobacco. I can't imagine that people are
(01:44):
putting tobacco in apparently garlic.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's a myth that if you put garlic up there,
then it's going to sort out your thrush or something. Okay,
that is to clarify our myth.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
She also said don't steam it.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
This was all good advice. I don't think anyone could
argue with it. But then a comedian called Ariana de
Lorenzo did a stitch on TikTok a little while later
and posted that video, but wanted to add some of
her own suggestions for what not to put in your vagina,
and she said, do not put finance bros In there,
or people who ghost you, or an X of any kind,
(02:21):
and that's not good for the home. Era kicked off
and there were some great, great additions to our list
of what not to put in our vaginas bartenders. A
very popular suggestion was drummers. Don't put drummers in your vagina.
Men who hold fish in photos, Magicians.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I've met a lovely magician.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Did you put them in your vagina?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I didn't, but I would have you could have.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, are there any men on a yes list.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Like men who drive cyber trucks? No, don't put them
in there. And then I don't agree with this. Someone
said the five p's, pilots, physicians, policemen, paramedics, and PA's.
I think that's unreasonable.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Think of all the fun you're going to miss out
on if you follow this advice.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Not everybody who goes in your vagina needs to be
a good choice, was saying.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Someone said j names, which really is casting the net
very wide and would mean that I'd have no children.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yes, I think anyone who when you've asked them if
they like you and then they have sighed because they've
found that question annoying, I would say they're not allowed in.
I think that no, no, no, no, no. But I
think anytime we remind women that you vagina is in
a pocket is a good day.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I got the.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Katy Perry is the most mocked woman in the world
right now. First it was Woman's World, intended to be
a feminist anthem, but ironically produced by doctor Luke, who
was accused of drugging and raping pop star kesher. Then
she did a quick dash to space, singing to the crew,
which was positioned as some kind of feminist accomplishment, when
(04:02):
really it was a big ad for Jeff Bezos, who
is pillaging the environment and maybe offering a lift to
the rich people who want to exit Earth asap. Even
Wendy's the Fast Food Giant tweeted, can we send her back?
Referring to Perry being left in space? Now it's the
Lifetimes tour. Have you two seen clips of her most
recent concepts?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I have so. Now, anytime there's a major tour, you
kind of watch it on TikTok and reels and things
before you see it anywhere else. And they're often from
very up close angles from people in the front row.
And I've seen a lot of Katie Perry's dancing with
very unflattering captions.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yes, right, So to sum up the sentiment, there are
clips of her not singing and looking out of breath
like she might be mouthing, or sometimes she just kind
of stops singing and walks across the stage seemingly not
knowing her choreography or performing unusual choreography, looking fatigued. Some
are saying she has no budget, and there's a trend
(04:59):
going around of showing things like Pink's acrobatics or something
she's allegedly stolen from Taylor Swift. She has a board
that she spins for a surprise song, which is apparently
something Sabrina Carpenter did.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, there are also parts like there's a whole sequence
of her with like jousting with like a Jedi, Yeah,
like a Jedi. But she's just sort of running around
the stage and some of the dance moves do not
look that far away from what we have.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Performed on Anyone who saw our Perth show last week
is currently going really that bad.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
The theme of Lifetimes is Katy Perry versus the Robots,
but for the first few concerts Ai imagery was used
in the background, which has since been changed because that
just looked a bit hypocritical. The backlash got so bad
that Perry had to address it. She told her Instagram
followers that she was dealing with illness while performing in
Mexico City and also struggling with the high altitude. I
(05:55):
have my own theories about what's going on with Katy Perry,
but first I wanted to explore whether the criticism is fair.
Because Katy Perry is coming to Australia in a few months.
The tickets most people got would have been like one
hundred and eighty bucks. It is not cheap. And if
you went and you felt like you were given a
lackluster performance, is it fair enough to call it out.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I have a question which about that, which is do
the people who have seen the show like the audiences
who are going. Are they coming out of their happy
or not? Because all the snarky clips I've seen, obviously
the person who films it was there, but I haven't
seen blanket statement that fans felt ripped off. That is
not what I've seen. I've just seen lots of snarky
(06:36):
commentary from a few people.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's really hard to get a sense of scope because
you get the odd video that then went viral, and
you also think if you went to any concert, could
you find a five second grab with Yeah, they weren't
doing a good Night.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I wonder if it's truly representative in that way, and
whether what Katie Perry is doing on her tour like
any artist does, and particularly one has been around for
a very long time like she has. She's you know,
it's nearly twenty years since she first came into the
public eye. A lot of people are going to just
have a great night to sing songs that they've got
history with to enjoy themselves. Are they doing that? Is
(07:11):
she delivering? Because if she is, that's great, I think,
and I think we'll talk about Beyonce a little bit later.
But the way that live shows are sold now is
like self harm for artists because it's dynamic pricing. The
tickets are ridiculously expensive. All of this is too expensive.
You have to be an absolute super fan to fork
out hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and even then there's
(07:32):
a subset of people who can afford it. You're lifting
the bar to a sky high place, and you're gonna
have empty seats because not all your fans can afford
to go. So I think that touring now is more
complicated than it was. I have to say that when
I watch these videos, I just feel sick for her
because what I'm watching, whether it is that she is
tired or sick as she says, or that she's under
(07:55):
rehearsed or whatever, she has no choice them to be
out there. She can't be like, I'm not match fit,
I'm not going, and just that feeling. Maybe I overempathize
with it, but that feeling of oh my god, I'm
here and it's bad. Yeah, it just it makes me
feel sick if you.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Are unwell or even if you want to be in
the fetal position. Because the entire world have jumped on
you for the Blue Origin thing.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, that's what's interesting is that the world has decided collectively,
it seems, and not just since Blue Origin, but since
the Woman's World video and her sort of comeback that
Katie Perry is deeply on cool right, That now seems
to be the general consensus. So what are you supposed
to do when the world has consigned you to the
bargain bin? That's what I'd love to know, Miya, what
(08:40):
do you think?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, as you say, the narrative has been set and
now people are just looking for evidence to feed that narrative.
In some ways, Katie is a pop star of a
different time. Her shtick's always been high camp, like the
whipped cream coming out of her bra all of that
(09:02):
sort of over the top teenage dream eye kissed a girl,
and it hasn't really evolved. And I think that while
other artists have sort of moved forward, she's at that
difficult time where she's tried to reinvent herself. But what
people love about her is that shtick. But that shtick
(09:22):
sort of also can feel a little bit old fashioned
what you say about now TikTok and critics. The impression
of a concert is not necessarily put out there by
the fans of that person, And when you're playing two
thousands and thousands and tens of thousands, hundred thousands of
people all over the world, there are going to be
some who like it, some who don't, some who are
(09:43):
pissed off that they paid too much or that they
had bad seats, or who were just looking to go
viral for something that they're posting. Right, So, I've also
seen a couple of clips which haven't been surfacing in
my algorithm nearly as much as the bad ones of her,
like in a cage spinning upside down, like doing tricky
stuff like the concert is very long.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
That's an interesting point because she's been accused of copying
all these big female artists. It seems like a it's
never been harder to be a female artist because of
the competition. It's like when she came out ten years
ago or whatever, there was something even a little bit
transgressive about the types of songs she was singing and
the type of character she played. And now she can't
take two steps on stage without it being reminiscent of
(10:25):
the big stars. Like the acrobatics. People are going, well,
that's pink, and it's like, well, I guess maybe she
is trying to evolve and the pressure on female pop stars.
Rolling Stone wrote a piece about this, how the pressure
for incredible choreography and storytelling is almost purely on women,
Like men don't have that same expectation.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeahd s and he just goes out with his guitar.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah go yeah. I looked at also the running time
of concerts. I mean, we can't really talk about this
without referencing Taylor Swift too, is completely not just raised
the bar but sent it into the stratosphere with what
she did with the Ears tour. You know, the running
time of that show was between three hours and fifteen
minutes and three hours and forty minutes. That is extraordinary.
(11:12):
She's sang I think something like forty something songs. Beyonce's
concerts are about two and a half hours, Katie Perry's
are about two hours, Charlie xx is about one hour
to one hour and twenty. Harry Styles, for example, is
about an hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well, let's be clear, consistant used to be that long
and women, Yeah, that's what I mean that concerts have
three hours have become much much longer now and the
endurance required when you're not part of a band. Like
I went and saw Harry Styles, there wasn't really any choreography.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
He sort of strutted around the stage only for an
hour and a half, whereas the women are expected to
perform all out every single night, and that does take
a lot of stamina.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
In a streaming era where artists are not making the
bulk of their money anymore from you know, selling albums,
because people aren't going into sanity and buying an album.
They're making their money from touring. So it's like they
have to tour more and more, have bigger and bigger
stadiums and then you're mocked. I remember this recently happened
(12:13):
to Jlo. She was mocked because she couldn't sell all
the tickets and it's like, do you know how many
tickets are in that stadium? And then you can't cancel
because Justin Bieber I was reading something recently that said
it looks like he's in about twenty million dollars debt
because he canceled it tour that he will be paying off.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, forezy mental health, Yeah, for years. And Beyonce, it
should be said she started her Cowboy Carter tour on
the weekend and she was playing to half empty stadiums
and they had had dynamic prices, but then they did
cut prices at the end to try and fill the stadium.
And this is in LA and you had people who
paid seven hundred dollars for a ticket sitting next to
people who'd bought tickets for like one hundred and fifty dollars.
(12:52):
And the system is clearly broken. Yeah, and also cost
of living.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
There's a dynamic pricing is a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Because as you just said, Jesse, can you explain what
it is?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, So what dynamic pricing is it means it's not like, oh,
I want to go and see Oasis and the tickets
cost two hundred dollars, which is a lot of money anyway,
But maybe they cost two hundred dollars. Maybe if you
go on to buy them when everyone else wants to
buy them too, they cost five hundred dollars. Maybe if
there are at any ledge pricing with So they say
that an artist and the ticketing company get together and
(13:23):
they set what they call an aggressive pricing scheme. Some
artists say, no, we're not going to do dynamic pricing,
like the way that toys used to be. Good seats
cost this much, bad seats cost this much. Floor is
this VIP room is that you decide your profit margin
and you go for it right, But this, as they
call it, the aggressive strategy, is who knows how much
things cost? And again I think that this is setting
(13:44):
concerts up for failure because imagine the vibe of having
paid eight hundred dollars for a ticket, which is what
people are saying Beyonce's tickets were costing, and knowing that
there's half empty stadium and you're like, why did I
pay for this much? You're going in already angry, right,
you're already pissed off. It's just not realistic that even
the biggest Beyonce fans in the world can afford to
(14:06):
buy eight hundred dollar tickets for them and their daughter
and their friend. It's like, it's a ridiculous show.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So on tour not that long ago. But back to
Katy Perry for a second. I think what's interesting to
explore with her and why the tide has turned so
hard on her, And it does feel like she's on
the bottom of a pylon in many ways. It seems
like what she's putting out there, everyone's calling bullshit and
what she's putting out there. So she, for example, Woman's World,
she wanted to have this female anthem of empowerment, and
(14:34):
in fact there were eight male producers on that track,
including the man accused of sexually assaulting kesher. Then she
went into space with her friend fun Girl's Trip, but
tried to put it out there as something that was
great for all women and stem and etc. So I
think people are already smelling bullshit and don't like to
(14:54):
be sold something that they know not to be And
I think that once we have a narrative in our heads,
we find it very difficult to shift it, and so
it's like it's all becoming very self fulfilling. But I
read a really interesting theory about what happened with Katie
Perry concert. When you do see clips, something doesn't seem
right in terms of her being very self assured about
(15:15):
the choreography, and when we know the lead time of
it tour and what it takes to prep a lot
of people are going, were you too busy in space
to actually practice your choreography? That was only eleven minutes?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Exactly exactly, that was eleven minutes. This is a theory
that this concert she knew she was doing the Blue
Origin thing and that her going to space was actually
going to be the theme, like that she was going
to come out in the suit. Because there's these weird
things don't quite make sense, like there's a moon that
appears in it, and there's kind of things hinting at it,
and they're like, at the last minute, did she almost
(15:48):
have to read the prejig the entire concert to go
You will be laughed off stage if you go and
do this kind of Blue Origin concerpt. So now it's
been tweaked because the thing about Katy Perry, like, did
they turn the aliens into robots? And now is it
this really in coherent mess where she's had to relearn.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That would make more steps.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
It actually makes lot of saying.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Also, the audience don't care. They just want to go
and sing along to teenage dream and have a drink
with their mates.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Like, just stop over complicating it.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I have a question though, for the group. I have
a question for the group. As you said before, Jesse,
the biggest artist in the world now women, which is
a fantastic place to be, like the most talked about,
the most successful artists in the world of women and
all different kinds of women, which we talked about a
while ago. I'm talking about the Grammys, and that's wonderful.
But if you are like a legacy small like you know,
twenty years I reckon is quite it makes you a
(16:39):
bit of a legacy, and that's Beyonce and that's Swift.
But in this case, it is Beyonce, it is Katy Perry.
Is it fair to be compared to the Charlie Xx's,
the Lords whoever, who are selling a very different esthetic,
you know, this kind of very pared back, supposedly easy going,
(16:59):
just thrown together vibe.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Without any choreography, with any backup dancers dressed like gladiating.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Exactly, and there's a very different shift. But is it fair,
like should the old in inverted commas artist be trying
to be the young artist? Because that feels wrong and
inauthentic too. You know, It's like, I think there's a
particular challenge, isn't there of your going Well, I know
that what's called is brat, but can I really be
brat when my songs are like, oh I kissed a
(17:25):
girl like twenty years that was a shocking transgressive song, like.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Because one criticism I've seen of Katy Perry, and this
keeps coming up a lot is mum moves criticizing her mum.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
There's a lot of agm.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
There's agism, I think inherent in this, which is that
you are old, you're over the hill, you're daggy. But
on the other hand, the artist who is not Charlie XCX,
who is not Taylor Swift and has never tried to
be is Adele. Like Adele is not going to do
the acrobatic. She can stand there, she.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Doesn't do cory, But that's a different thing.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
It's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So I think if you're an artist, who you know,
who you are, you've got this very authentic like Adele
was never a pop star, no right, Adele is an artist.
And you know, you could say the same thing about
quite a few because not all female pop stars do
choreography and so off, Gracy Abrams just sold Arena's out
in Sydney and she doesn't do that. That's not her thing.
Sore all kinds of different artists. But I think it's
possibly easy. Like Adele can do a Vegas residency in
(18:22):
stand there in a gown and sing. Katy Perry can't
do that like she was a pop star.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think that the pop of it all,
it's a very competitive space. And I went and saw
Katy Perry probably ten years ago now.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And it was brilliant.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
She was so good her voice. And this is what
I don't understand about some of the clips. I'm like,
say what you want about Katy Perry. She can sing,
like she actually can sing, and that was part of
like she was in gospel choirs and all that kind
of stuff, Like she has a voice. That's why I
kind of believed that she was sick when you could
hear that she just wasn't able.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But our pop stars are getting older and it gets harder.
You know, Katie Perry's in her forties. Beyonce's in her forties. Interestingly,
the coverage I've seen of the Cowboy Carter Tour, Blue
Ivy is out in front and standard she's thirteen and
she's doing all the moves, and even Little Roomy, her
youngest daughter, is there, and there are a lot of
bells and whistles to distract or detract from the fact
(19:13):
that Beyonce doesn't dance like she used to. And I
remember reading about Taylor Swift and I saw a couple
of those concerts. Watching the Katy Perry stuff made me
appreciate Taylor even more in terms of her attention to detail,
because there is not a single moment, even in a transition,
even in a bit where she might not be singing,
(19:33):
where every movement is not precision. And when I watched
each concert that it were the same movements, and then
I watched the movie, so even like when it seems
like she's just freestyling, she's not.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
What I will say about Taylor though, and I wonder
if this is also the result of everything being filmed
up close. By the time Taylor got to Australia, how
many times had she performed that concert?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Like know how she trained to perform that? I got
obsessed with all of this. She trained by running full
tilt on the treadmill while singing the whole concept because
the stamina you need. We've tried it. It's really hard
to sing and dance at the same time.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But then I suppose Katie Perry is like the same
as I go to a lot of opening nights for
musicals and you often see an error. You see an
error because it's the first time they've done it in
front of an audience. Like now that everyone has a
phone in their hand that gets captured and then that
becomes viral. Rather than Katie Perry, She'll probably be brilliant
by the time she.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Gets I should start locking the phones away like they
do when you go to comedy shows, because maybe no
one should have to see this.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Thanks out loud us for not posting much to us
in Perth.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I just want to leave it by saying, like, think
about Mick Jagger who has been running around pretending to
be twenty two into his eighties right, and he's been
mocked for that for about thirty years now, since he
was about fifty. But there's a respect there, right, And
I wonder as our female icons are getting older, are
we just going to be as brutal, like, way more
(20:59):
brutal with them about age than we ever have been
with any of the male icons. I suspect, yes, Justin
Timberlake copped it for his dad dancing.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, dad dancing, that's very good. I wreck the world
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I know that that's so hot.
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So it looks at the impact of when one person
in your friend group breaks up, what it does to
everybody else? And is it a comedy that yeah, yeah,
it's a comedy. What I love about it is that
it's just easy to watch. There's no drama. It's nothing
like White Lotus in that there's no drama. No one dies.
I mean I'm not quite at the end, but I
don't think anyone's going to die. It's just the stuff
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of life and the stuff of relationships. And if you've
ever been in a long term relationship, or if you
wish you were, it might make you feel better about
not being in one.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Where is its great? This is my weirdest recommendation of
all time. What if I told you that you don't
need to paint your walls, you just need to clean them.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, well, well that makes them a different color.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Well so my walls. I've just been looking at them
recently and there's like marks on them and keep thinking, oh,
I'm probably gonna have to paint dogs. We're gonna have
to the dogs and babies, and just even when we
moved in, like there are just kind of handprints all
of it, and I keep looking at them, going, this
is just annoying me. And then I was on Instagram
and I saw someone post something about selly sugar soap wipes. Okay,
(24:30):
so I saw them and I was like, you know what,
I'm going to go buy them, and like they're less
in turn bucks, they're super super cheap. So I go
to my local mitor ten and I get my wipes
and one side cleans them and the other side really
cleans them. So I was like, all right, I'm going
to do it. It was so arousing. I've gone to
all of my because my walls are like an off
white and I'm just cleaning these walls. It looks like
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I've painted my walls. They look so much fresher. It
is so exciting.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Do you have to get a ladder?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Because you're quite sure that's the only problem, because I'm
with you. Yea's so true. My kids they are always
putting their hands on the walls. You know, they're running
to a room and the walls are grown. But then
I'm like, walls are big and wipes are small.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yes, but the thing is that your kids can't get
to the roof, can they? And like, so it's like it's.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
All the mess? Is it? Arm level?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Arm level?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And I reckon it has made such a difference. And
I've heard so many people say that they go to
paint their walls. They do this because you meant to
use this right before you paint them, and then they
do it and they're like, what the fuck. It's just
it is the funnest weekend activity you've changed.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Honestly, it's a domestic goddess.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I love it fantastic.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
My reco is for a TV show too, which is
the opposite of me, is because it's the most stressful
TV show I've watched in one hundred years. Old time
out louders will know that I recommended this show last time.
It was on the Last of Us.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
This is where we live the.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Fence. What's insane?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
People, By the time the sun comes up tomorrow, there's
a very good chance you'll be dead.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Oh my god, I can't. This is zombies, right, I can't.
I'm not a zombie.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Go So The Last of Us is a show It
has two strikes against it that you would stop you
from watching it if you didn't know how good it was.
One is the zombies, because Katie Peery is better than that.
One of zombies. It is about zombies. It's an apocalyptic
end of the world thing. And two, it is based
on a video game. So both of those things make.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Me go no.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And yet the most brilliant show. Season one was so
huge Pedro Pascal Bella Ramsey. It is amazing. It's directed
by the guy a direct succession like this is high
level prestige TV. It is so good. Anyway, Season two
has just come back after a really long break because
Rider's strike and all that annoying stuff. I can't reveal
it because it's the biggest twist in TV of the year.
(27:06):
I've been looking forward to it, looking forward to it.
We've been traveling and everything. I'm like me and we're
gonna watch it together Friday night. It's going to be
so great. Can't wait.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Last of us.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It's on Max, which is confusing because you know, things.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Good and wait, do we need a news streaming because.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Things from Binge have gone to Max and blah blah. Anyway,
it's on Max. So took me four hours to relog
in and do all that stuff sit down. The most
devastating plot twist of TV. I was in tears. Have
you watched the whole season or is it dropping episode
to episode? And anyone who watched it knows what I'm
talking about. We're not going to spoil it here, but
the new premium cast member this year is the girl
(27:43):
who played Bell Gibson, Caitlin Diva, and she.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
She plays Bell Gibson.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
So she enters the chat and just blows ship up.
It is devastating. But if you like not everybody does,
it doesn't. But if you like that engrossing TV, and
yes it is scary and dark and all those things,
but it's so great season two of the Last of Us,
I can't recommend it more, but your.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Heart will break.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I need to start it from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I all what started from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I'm just finishing the pit which has got me through
the last few weeks.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Just love it. I would be remiss not to recommend strife,
which is bad goodness. Oh yeah, came back yesterday. That's
season two, which is on Binge.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
This is what we're going to do. I gotta go
back to the office and pretann everything's fine and it's not.
My competition is launching that I clearly need help regulating
my emotions, which are.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Come. I want hot topics.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Punch your headlines made me break my thumb clicking so fast. Wellome,
we have entered the world of podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I think it's time that we name our meeting rooms
after inspiring women. We need some more more call and
inspiring Australian woman Jermaine Angria. This is a great watch.
This is fun. It's funny Season two. What I love
about season two. In season of a show, you have
to do a lot of world building and introduce characters
and explain who's what. In season two, you can just
(29:15):
go in and get into the plot, into the characters.
This looks a lot more into the life of Evelyn,
who is running women's website and there are big competitors
coming at her and she has to deal with issues
of trolling and betrayal and cancelation for her team and
they start podcasting. It's so good. I think you'll really
(29:37):
like it. It's very funny. I like season two even
better than season one. Strife started this week on Binge
and it's starting with one episode and then two to
two and then one at the end.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
And Claire and I wrote episode two.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Oh yes, make sure you watch after the break, micro Pettiness,
Tiny Copenhagen, Fashion and a year of healing. It is
best and worst.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Every Tuesday and Thursday we drop new segments of Mummy
Are out Loud just for MUMMYA subscribers. Follow the link
in the show notes to get your daily Joseph out
Loud And a big thank you to all our current subscribers.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
For best and worst of the week, our peaks and
troughs of the week in our personal lives Holly, what's
your worst?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So in our live show last week in Perth we
talked about micro pettiness. Out Louders know what that is
because Jesse Stevens made a video about it that went
absolutely viral and out Louders gave us all their examples
of tiny things you do as an active based aggression
petty aggression. So I discovered an act of micro pettiness
in my family this week. You know how in most couples,
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right you know your family, you're working to a budget, whatever,
but you tend to be tight ass about different things.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yes, yeah, so like I might be do we.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Really need the craft beer or do we really need
you know? Actually I was I shouldn't admit this, but
I was once like does Matilda really need braces or
does she just need to top of But a place
that I don't mind spending a bit of money is
to have like decent food, right, yeah, But Brent does
most of the shopping, and I've discovered that he likes
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to troll me by buying the two star mints instead
of the four or five star mints.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Is that because he can't taste the difference.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
He doesn't give a crap and he just goes, let's
save the money there. And the reason I found out
this was an act of micro pettiness is me and
Billy were about to make Alasagner on Sunday, which is
something we do together, and I got the mints out
of the freezer and I saw it was two stars,
and my puff a fish started going and I went
to Brent and I was like, babe, and you know
that tone of voice where they know like, and he
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was like, what did I do? But I could see
a little smile playing around his mouth.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
God, He's like, I gotcha. He was trolling. I'm a vegetarian,
so I explained to me the difference between two star
and more star. Well, there was a sister.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
There will be people who at me because I'm sure
that there are lots of very complicated things in this,
but basically like the higher the star, the better quality.
Maybe it's grass fed, maybe it's lower fat. Maybe is
this or that, And you know how you're like trying
to feel like you're feeding your kids the good stuff
and all that kind of thing. Brent is just like
that's the cheapest. I'm getting it. It's one of an
(32:26):
ongoing arguments of like that's not the place to scrimp,
and he's like, I've discovered that. Actually he's just trolling
me with the two stomachs.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
See, my life hack is that I will go shopping
and you know, buy something that we've already got, buy
the more expensive tuna, whatever it is. And noy lucas
so much that now shopping is his job. Yeah, because
he goes, you can't be trusted. I'm like, I can't
be trying.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Maybe that's what Brent's doing. Yeah, maybe he's buying the
home brand tuna and the two star mints because he
knows that No, I'm sorry, this is not where we save.
Where do you save the dollar somewhere else?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
What do you refuse to spend money on.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Matilda's teeth Matilda's tea?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
For sure, it's just slightly fair.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
My best is definitely for me has been my the
response to my book. I have to say, it's been
a week, and I want to thank the out Louders
because he would never has been out in the world
for a week. And I know how lucky I am
and we are that we have this community here of
people who are like, oh, I want to I want
to see what Polly's been talking about and working on.
And it's like it's a massive advantage to us. I'm
(33:27):
not gonna lie. It's I'm so grateful and appreciative of it.
And the Outlouders have all been buying it and talking
about it and sharing it, which just makes me feel
warm and fuzzy even better though, it's just feeling when
you're so nervous when you put anything out into the
world that you've worked so hard on, right, Like it's
we all know this, but when you've worked so hard
on something and you're alone doing it and you're second
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guessing it all the time, and it messes with your mind,
and then it goes out and you hold your breath
and then people say this is good, like it's you know,
or this is interesting, or this may love it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It may and you got your big deal review this week.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I did get a big page, which also made me
feel very warm, because you know, again to insecurities, you're like, oh,
you know, women's books don't usually get treated that seriously,
blah blah blah, and it just has been amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Have you got you don't have to tell us figures,
but have you got week one numbers yet?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I haven't yet got week one numbers. I'm about to
get them. But it looks like it's doing great. It's
it's number one everywhere.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It's number one on Big Book. I think it's number
one on a best selling it's best selling.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Pushed Mel Robins off number one, the number one be
at number two for a while.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Let them be at number two. Mel Robins wouldn't mind.
She'd be like, so.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
An enormous thank you appreciation to everybody who's supported it.
And if you haven't and you feel like a good book,
go buy it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Go.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
That's it for the hard set.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
It's wonderful. It's getting great reviews from the outluders. My
worst is and it's a funny worst. But we have
been touring and our can we like our event boss,
our event manager? Is that what we'll call Lucy?
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Friend and tour manager.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
To a manager? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I worked with
Lucy years ago, as did you, Mom Maya, and she's
one of the best in the business. She's so good
at what she does.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
But she didn't event producer and has her own company.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yes, and Lucy Ormond her name is she. Last year,
when we were on tour for Mum Maya Out Loud Live,
she received a diagnosis. She was diagnosed with breast cancer.
And Lucy's in her mid thirties. She's a young woman,
a young, healthy woman, and she received that diagnosis and
it was shocking and awful and the last twelve months
have been what will probably be the hardest of her life,
(35:37):
like the treatment, the psychological impact, the isolation, moving back
in with her.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Mum, Well, that's what you thought, That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
She thought, That's what I thought, right, And so you know,
we've been checking in and thinking of her so so much.
And then this week, because it's nearly been a year,
and from what I've heard, I'm like, it's great news,
great LuSE treatments.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Treatment's over, she's back on the tour.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
She's back on the tour. She looks great, she looks healthy.
Lucy must be so relieved, and let's just jump back
into it, right. This is how I think of it,
as someone.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Done and radiation's done. Tick tick tick.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yep, you're not bed bound, you're not vomiting. Like to
me as someone who's completely naive. I was just going great,
so excited to have Lucy back, and then she wrote
a sub stack. She's a beautiful writer this week called
a Year of Healing, and it was about what it
feels like when you've had that year. It's almost like
you've been running on adrenaline. There's this great analogy that
(36:35):
she uses about sort of being chased and chased and chased.
But now she's sitting there with the fallout going all right,
now I can live this life I've been fantasizing about
for the last twelve months. And she can't stop crying,
like she's totally emotionally and psychologically confronted by what'sened. Impacted
(36:56):
by changed and totally changed. Yeah, and she's realizing, Oh,
this isn't as simple as this is behind me and
I move on. I'm actually facing the reality of what
just happened. And she put words around something that I
have heard people with not just illnesses, but these horrific
life events that happen out of nowhere that no one deserves.
(37:18):
But to read her talking about it, I mean, I
was so grateful for that perspective, but it's my worst
because I was just reminded that it's not that simple
and that she's going to be emotionally processing this for
a while. I really liked how she called it a year,
like I'm giving myself a year to process this and
to recover, because it's not like when you're in the
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midst of that you're resting either, Like imagine the impact
on your nervous system and everything. And now she's just going, oh,
that really happened. There's a link in the show notes.
Have a read of it. And especially if you've had
anyone in your life who's had a diagnosis or someone
close to them with a diagnosis who has really complicated feelings.
When they start getting good news.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
There must be so many outluders, There are so many
outlouders who are going through this, who've been through this,
have people in their lives going through this. We all
wanted to make this recommendation because it is so incredible
to read. Please have a look at it, share it.
It's going to help a lot of people, I think
what she's doing, as well as helping her to sort
of process how she's been feeling.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
And also if you've got someone in your life who
I think we all like to reach for a tidy bow. Yeah, yeah,
to reach for a tidy bow on the closure story
and we go it's fine now, as you said, Jesse,
but for so many women who are living with cancer,
you know it's not over. Like Lucy she wouldn't mind
me saying, but she's going to be on serious medication
for the rest of her life that impacts her in
(38:39):
different ways. And she is one of our great friends.
And I loved reading this because it was like seeing
a glimpse of all the things you love about somebody
and everybody else can see it too. But also I
just know how many people it will help. And there's
a gift.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
It's called a year of healing and there's a lincolnw
show notes and my best is I spoke at a
girls high school most terrifying, or I've spoken in front
of a lot of.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Hats off to you, how many girls?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
About a thousand, and I went to leave and I
was like, mate, you're going to want to look in
the mirror before you leave, because they're going to look
you up and down and go look at those shoes.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
It would have been good if your self esteem was
too high and you just need to get.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Recalibrating exactly to just stand there and go.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And it's you know what, I'm too big for my boots. Yeah, yeah,
I'm going to stand up in front of a thousand
teen age girls.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
It was a lot. But what was great about it
was I sat down and you know, I knew I
was speaking to them, and I thought, all right, what
are the three things that I would want to tell
myself at that age if I was fifteen and now
with in my mid thirties, What wisdom would I want
to impart? What lessons have I learned? And it was
just a really cathartic, reflective experience. And I felt as
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though I could stand there because I still really remember
being that age, and I remember even walking in I
was just like, oh, I've got that feeling in my gut,
like it's the most intense, sometimes horrific times and sometimes
incredibly exciting times. But just looking at them, I was like, oh,
I did not envy you. I don't know what it's
what places like I wanted to be Like, wherever you are,
(40:09):
things get better, Like.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Just the level at which you have to have your
guard up at school, yeah, yeah, you go. Yeah, I
don't know, stake probably feel the stakes.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Feel so high anyway, And so I was thinking about
it and one of the things that I said was,
no matter where you go in life, whether it's in
an office or in a workplace or if you've you know,
got a profile on the Internet, people are going to
bitch about you behind your back, and you've got to
find a way to deal with it. I thought that
was something we'd leave in high school. But it's like
people are not going to like welcome to the Internet
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in whatever context, even people who whether you work enoughers
or whatever. It's like, people aren't going to like you.
They're going to say awful things. The quicker you learn
how to deal with that, the better I.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Mean, that's such good advice, Jesse, because I think what
women do, and you know, I'm a people pleaser. I'm
certainly guilty of this if we think, if I'm just
nice enough, agreeable enough, whatever, then no one will bitch
about me. Ever, like we genuinely believe that there is
a way of existing that means that no one will
ever talk about you, and it's just actually.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
True, and high school is just maybe that's the big lesson,
is that people are going to say awful things. And
I don't think it ever gets worse than high school.
But it was a good reminder. It was a very
fun experience. Maya, what was your worst?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
My worst is very superficial. I've been out trying to
buy clothes for Luna lately, because she's Luna. No no,
babies don't like shopping.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I know that the great gift of someone new to
buy clothes for Jesse.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
It's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
She you know, I got dress this morning and she
looked at me and went pretty dress. So I know
she's spending too much time with you because she's done
it complimenting me on.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
My favorite thing to do at my house is to
just go through her clothes and just look at them.
It's wild. I went to buy clothes for her because
she's at that stage where she's not a baby anymore.
She's not quite a little girl, like it's that sort
of middle stage. And what I discovered was that there's
little baby's clothes that sort of go up to eighteen
months and then it's like three year olds. Then it's
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like proper clothes, and those proper clothes tend to be
like just shrunken. In a lot of places, its just
shrunken down version of adult clothes. It's like leopard print,
graphic teas, cargo peascirts, pretend added us sad how active wear.
And I'm like, I can't dress like my two year
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old granddaughter is really awkward probably what could? It was
quite confronting for me, and I also I'm really stripped
in my mind. I'm a dressed your kid however you want.
But I don't like buying clothes for kids that look
like adult clothes. I don't like kids wearing black. I
don't like killings in my world wearing black. Little kids.
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Thought that, Oh my god, no, it makes me upset.
I'm even funny about jeans until a certain age really again,
I don't know. She's very cute. She's old enough now.
But when people put like newborns in jeans, I'm just like,
let them here, baby, let them be comfortable jeans.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I can't believe you have opinions on babies clothes.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Oh my god, I do so many. I've found a
few labels that make like, I think, little kids, particularly
little girls, maybe little boys, if they want, should be
dressed like glitter rainbows. Really, that's that's my vibe. And
so I'm just buying all these clothes for Luna.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
So that's her, you're just checking.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, so I just said it for you. Yeah, I know,
Jesse can put her in whatever she wants. But the
good thing is that Jesse and I aren't judge you
like I'm never judging about what she wears. I mean
often in summer she just goes between the two houses
in a nappy essentially now she needs but now it's
a bit colder, so we have to lift the bar
a bit.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
But so apparently two twos are central to the.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
She's so many the age of two twos, and she's
quite into it once they stop crawling, because it's hard
throw them to wear dresses. And stuff. Once they're walking,
you've got a lot more options. So anyway, that's yeah,
kind of my worst in a way, My best is
that I just love working in women's media. It has
been such a fun week in the office. There have
been baby showers, there have been baby announcements, there has
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been the Strife launch. Ash Keady and Bruna pap Andrea
came into the office. We did a big Q and
A with the team, as well as recording some podcasts
with them. It was the met Gala this week.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So high energy.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It was such high energy. Just who gets to go
to work and have the met Gala on TV? You know,
for four hours on a work day, that is everyone's work.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Did you know they were working their asses off? But
every five minutes they're going Like Amy Leewood came onto
the cup and literally the whole office was like whooping.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Did you see the reel that Mum Maya made where
they went around and us and met in the office.
What the met Gala was? It was very good.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Marrek Watts was in the office. He was doing some content.
He's got this drink called Posca. That was funny him commentating.
It was just an absolute CAC.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Thank you out louders for being with us through another
amazing week. We can't wait to see you next week
in Brisbane and Sydney. People who are coming to the shows,
of course, they'll be a link in the show notes.
If there are any tickets left, I don't know if
there are.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Books at them for few.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
And a massive thank you to our team Jesse and
Me tell us who they are.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
A big thank you to group executive producer Ruth Divine.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
She was very popular in perf.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Oh yeah, executive producer Emmeline Gazillis.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
She wasn't allowed to be out there. She was locked
away in a box.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
And we have some lovely news about em. Produce were allowed. Yes,
she's pregnant. My announcement.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
She surprised.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So that's our best. Yeah, she did so she did.
It was very funny. They pretended they wanted to take
a photo of us, got us in the office. We
were standing there with em and then she went I'm
having a baby, and we all got very excited. We're
going to be podcast aunties.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
That was so funny because we were all just happily
doing what Ruth was telling us to do, and then
we were like sure, Ruth says, we'll do it, and
then we were like, so make sure you congratulate em
if you are coming to the tour and you see her.
Our audio producer is Leah Porgi's video producer Josh Green,
and our junior content producers are Coco and Tessa.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Bye bye, bye, out louders. If you're ready to say goodbye,
we have a little treat for you. We thought we'd
leave you with a bit of a conversation from a
subscriber episode. I am very excited to listen to this
one because it's Holly and Vernon and Amelia Lester discussing
a piece on Mom and Maya, A brilliant piece. I
read it called what If Love Never finds You? And
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it's about the fear that you might never meet anyone.
This fear for me was so palpable for a long time.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
There's a point in that subsept when Amelia Lessa just
says to me, Holly, do you know how insufferable you sound?
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Go and listen and find out just what I said
say that to me.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
There's a link in the show notes.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Shout out to.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
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It is the funnest weekend activity.
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Jesse honestly, she's domestic goddess. Now I love it.
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Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out Loud on a
Friday where we just chill up, relaxed, be cool, have fun.
Nothing from the news cycle here. Today is Friday, the
ninth of May, and my name is Hollywayne Wright.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm mea Friedman and I'm Jesse Stephens.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And on Today's show, when you're a famous woman and
it seems like the whole world is mocking you, what's
your next move? Welcome to being Katy Perry right now.
Recommendations for the weekend, including the TV twist that made
Me cry, a show the Outloud has been clamoring to recommend,
and something from Jesse's House, and our best and Worst
of the week, which include microaggressions, shopping toddlers, and some
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beautiful words. But first me a Freedman.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
In case you missed it, there are some things that
you shouldn't put in your vagina?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Is this like from an emergency department perspective.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's from a women's health coach. Her name is Julia G. Wellness,
and she made a TikTok about how important it is
not to disrupt the microbiome of your vagina by putting
things in there like deodorized products or douches or anything fragrance.
She also said tobacco. I can't imagine that people are
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putting tobacco in apparently garlic.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's a myth that if you put garlic up there,
then it's going to sort out your thrush or something. Okay,
that is to clarify our myth.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
She also said don't steam it.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
This was all good advice. I don't think anyone could
argue with it. But then a comedian called Ariana de
Lorenzo did a stitch on TikTok a little while later
and posted that video, but wanted to add some of
her own suggestions for what not to put in your vagina,
and she said, do not put finance bros In there,
or people who ghost you, or an X of any kind,
(02:21):
and that's not good for the home. Era kicked off
and there were some great, great additions to our list
of what not to put in our vaginas bartenders. A
very popular suggestion was drummers. Don't put drummers in your vagina.
Men who hold fish in photos, Magicians.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I've met a lovely magician.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Did you put them in your vagina?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I didn't, but I would have you could have.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, are there any men on a yes list.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Like men who drive cyber trucks? No, don't put them
in there. And then I don't agree with this. Someone
said the five p's, pilots, physicians, policemen, paramedics, and PA's.
I think that's unreasonable.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Think of all the fun you're going to miss out
on if you follow this advice.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Not everybody who goes in your vagina needs to be
a good choice, was saying.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Someone said j names, which really is casting the net
very wide and would mean that I'd have no children.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yes, I think anyone who when you've asked them if
they like you and then they have sighed because they've
found that question annoying, I would say they're not allowed in.
I think that no, no, no, no, no. But I
think anytime we remind women that you vagina is in
a pocket is a good day.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I got the.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Katy Perry is the most mocked woman in the world
right now. First it was Woman's World, intended to be
a feminist anthem, but ironically produced by doctor Luke, who
was accused of drugging and raping pop star kesher. Then
she did a quick dash to space, singing to the crew,
which was positioned as some kind of feminist accomplishment, when
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really it was a big ad for Jeff Bezos, who
is pillaging the environment and maybe offering a lift to
the rich people who want to exit Earth asap. Even
Wendy's the Fast Food Giant tweeted, can we send her back?
Referring to Perry being left in space? Now it's the
Lifetimes tour. Have you two seen clips of her most
recent concepts?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I have so. Now, anytime there's a major tour, you
kind of watch it on TikTok and reels and things
before you see it anywhere else. And they're often from
very up close angles from people in the front row.
And I've seen a lot of Katie Perry's dancing with
very unflattering captions.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yes, right, So to sum up the sentiment, there are
clips of her not singing and looking out of breath
like she might be mouthing, or sometimes she just kind
of stops singing and walks across the stage seemingly not
knowing her choreography or performing unusual choreography, looking fatigued. Some
are saying she has no budget, and there's a trend
(04:59):
going around of showing things like Pink's acrobatics or something
she's allegedly stolen from Taylor Swift. She has a board
that she spins for a surprise song, which is apparently
something Sabrina Carpenter did.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, there are also parts like there's a whole sequence
of her with like jousting with like a Jedi, Yeah,
like a Jedi. But she's just sort of running around
the stage and some of the dance moves do not
look that far away from what we have.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Performed on Anyone who saw our Perth show last week
is currently going really that bad.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
The theme of Lifetimes is Katy Perry versus the Robots,
but for the first few concerts Ai imagery was used
in the background, which has since been changed because that
just looked a bit hypocritical. The backlash got so bad
that Perry had to address it. She told her Instagram
followers that she was dealing with illness while performing in
Mexico City and also struggling with the high altitude. I
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have my own theories about what's going on with Katy Perry,
but first I wanted to explore whether the criticism is fair.
Because Katy Perry is coming to Australia in a few months.
The tickets most people got would have been like one
hundred and eighty bucks. It is not cheap. And if
you went and you felt like you were given a
lackluster performance, is it fair enough to call it out.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I have a question which about that, which is do
the people who have seen the show like the audiences
who are going. Are they coming out of their happy
or not? Because all the snarky clips I've seen, obviously
the person who films it was there, but I haven't
seen blanket statement that fans felt ripped off. That is
not what I've seen. I've just seen lots of snarky
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commentary from a few people.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's really hard to get a sense of scope because
you get the odd video that then went viral, and
you also think if you went to any concert, could
you find a five second grab with Yeah, they weren't
doing a good Night.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I wonder if it's truly representative in that way, and
whether what Katie Perry is doing on her tour like
any artist does, and particularly one has been around for
a very long time like she has. She's you know,
it's nearly twenty years since she first came into the
public eye. A lot of people are going to just
have a great night to sing songs that they've got
history with to enjoy themselves. Are they doing that? Is
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she delivering? Because if she is, that's great, I think,
and I think we'll talk about Beyonce a little bit later.
But the way that live shows are sold now is
like self harm for artists because it's dynamic pricing. The
tickets are ridiculously expensive. All of this is too expensive.
You have to be an absolute super fan to fork
out hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and even then there's
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a subset of people who can afford it. You're lifting
the bar to a sky high place, and you're gonna
have empty seats because not all your fans can afford
to go. So I think that touring now is more
complicated than it was. I have to say that when
I watch these videos, I just feel sick for her
because what I'm watching, whether it is that she is
tired or sick as she says, or that she's under
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rehearsed or whatever, she has no choice them to be
out there. She can't be like, I'm not match fit,
I'm not going, and just that feeling. Maybe I overempathize
with it, but that feeling of oh my god, I'm
here and it's bad. Yeah, it just it makes me
feel sick if you.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Are unwell or even if you want to be in
the fetal position. Because the entire world have jumped on
you for the Blue Origin thing.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, that's what's interesting is that the world has decided collectively,
it seems, and not just since Blue Origin, but since
the Woman's World video and her sort of comeback that
Katie Perry is deeply on cool right, That now seems
to be the general consensus. So what are you supposed
to do when the world has consigned you to the
bargain bin? That's what I'd love to know, Miya, what
(08:40):
do you think?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, as you say, the narrative has been set and
now people are just looking for evidence to feed that narrative.
In some ways, Katie is a pop star of a
different time. Her shtick's always been high camp, like the
whipped cream coming out of her bra all of that
(09:02):
sort of over the top teenage dream eye kissed a girl,
and it hasn't really evolved. And I think that while
other artists have sort of moved forward, she's at that
difficult time where she's tried to reinvent herself. But what
people love about her is that shtick. But that shtick
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sort of also can feel a little bit old fashioned
what you say about now TikTok and critics. The impression
of a concert is not necessarily put out there by
the fans of that person, And when you're playing two
thousands and thousands and tens of thousands, hundred thousands of
people all over the world, there are going to be
some who like it, some who don't, some who are
(09:43):
pissed off that they paid too much or that they
had bad seats, or who were just looking to go
viral for something that they're posting. Right, So, I've also
seen a couple of clips which haven't been surfacing in
my algorithm nearly as much as the bad ones of her,
like in a cage spinning upside down, like doing tricky
stuff like the concert is very long.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
That's an interesting point because she's been accused of copying
all these big female artists. It seems like a it's
never been harder to be a female artist because of
the competition. It's like when she came out ten years
ago or whatever, there was something even a little bit
transgressive about the types of songs she was singing and
the type of character she played. And now she can't
take two steps on stage without it being reminiscent of
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the big stars. Like the acrobatics. People are going, well,
that's pink, and it's like, well, I guess maybe she
is trying to evolve and the pressure on female pop stars.
Rolling Stone wrote a piece about this, how the pressure
for incredible choreography and storytelling is almost purely on women,
Like men don't have that same expectation.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeahd s and he just goes out with his guitar.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah go yeah. I looked at also the running time
of concerts. I mean, we can't really talk about this
without referencing Taylor Swift too, is completely not just raised
the bar but sent it into the stratosphere with what
she did with the Ears tour. You know, the running
time of that show was between three hours and fifteen
minutes and three hours and forty minutes. That is extraordinary.
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She's sang I think something like forty something songs. Beyonce's
concerts are about two and a half hours, Katie Perry's
are about two hours, Charlie xx is about one hour
to one hour and twenty. Harry Styles, for example, is
about an hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well, let's be clear, consistant used to be that long
and women, Yeah, that's what I mean that concerts have
three hours have become much much longer now and the
endurance required when you're not part of a band. Like
I went and saw Harry Styles, there wasn't really any choreography.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
He sort of strutted around the stage only for an
hour and a half, whereas the women are expected to
perform all out every single night, and that does take
a lot of stamina.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
In a streaming era where artists are not making the
bulk of their money anymore from you know, selling albums,
because people aren't going into sanity and buying an album.
They're making their money from touring. So it's like they
have to tour more and more, have bigger and bigger
stadiums and then you're mocked. I remember this recently happened
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to Jlo. She was mocked because she couldn't sell all
the tickets and it's like, do you know how many
tickets are in that stadium? And then you can't cancel
because Justin Bieber I was reading something recently that said
it looks like he's in about twenty million dollars debt
because he canceled it tour that he will be paying off.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, forezy mental health, Yeah, for years. And Beyonce, it
should be said she started her Cowboy Carter tour on
the weekend and she was playing to half empty stadiums
and they had had dynamic prices, but then they did
cut prices at the end to try and fill the stadium.
And this is in LA and you had people who
paid seven hundred dollars for a ticket sitting next to
people who'd bought tickets for like one hundred and fifty dollars.
(12:52):
And the system is clearly broken. Yeah, and also cost
of living.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
There's a dynamic pricing is a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Because as you just said, Jesse, can you explain what
it is?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, So what dynamic pricing is it means it's not like, oh,
I want to go and see Oasis and the tickets
cost two hundred dollars, which is a lot of money anyway,
But maybe they cost two hundred dollars. Maybe if you
go on to buy them when everyone else wants to
buy them too, they cost five hundred dollars. Maybe if
there are at any ledge pricing with So they say
that an artist and the ticketing company get together and
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they set what they call an aggressive pricing scheme. Some
artists say, no, we're not going to do dynamic pricing,
like the way that toys used to be. Good seats
cost this much, bad seats cost this much. Floor is
this VIP room is that you decide your profit margin
and you go for it right, But this, as they
call it, the aggressive strategy, is who knows how much
things cost? And again I think that this is setting
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concerts up for failure because imagine the vibe of having
paid eight hundred dollars for a ticket, which is what
people are saying Beyonce's tickets were costing, and knowing that
there's half empty stadium and you're like, why did I
pay for this much? You're going in already angry, right,
you're already pissed off. It's just not realistic that even
the biggest Beyonce fans in the world can afford to
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buy eight hundred dollar tickets for them and their daughter
and their friend. It's like, it's a ridiculous show.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So on tour not that long ago. But back to
Katy Perry for a second. I think what's interesting to
explore with her and why the tide has turned so
hard on her, And it does feel like she's on
the bottom of a pylon in many ways. It seems
like what she's putting out there, everyone's calling bullshit and
what she's putting out there. So she, for example, Woman's World,
she wanted to have this female anthem of empowerment, and
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in fact there were eight male producers on that track,
including the man accused of sexually assaulting kesher. Then she
went into space with her friend fun Girl's Trip, but
tried to put it out there as something that was
great for all women and stem and etc. So I
think people are already smelling bullshit and don't like to
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be sold something that they know not to be And
I think that once we have a narrative in our heads,
we find it very difficult to shift it, and so
it's like it's all becoming very self fulfilling. But I
read a really interesting theory about what happened with Katie
Perry concert. When you do see clips, something doesn't seem
right in terms of her being very self assured about
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the choreography, and when we know the lead time of
it tour and what it takes to prep a lot
of people are going, were you too busy in space
to actually practice your choreography? That was only eleven minutes?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Exactly exactly, that was eleven minutes. This is a theory
that this concert she knew she was doing the Blue
Origin thing and that her going to space was actually
going to be the theme, like that she was going
to come out in the suit. Because there's these weird
things don't quite make sense, like there's a moon that
appears in it, and there's kind of things hinting at it,
and they're like, at the last minute, did she almost
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have to read the prejig the entire concert to go
You will be laughed off stage if you go and
do this kind of Blue Origin concerpt. So now it's
been tweaked because the thing about Katy Perry, like, did
they turn the aliens into robots? And now is it
this really in coherent mess where she's had to relearn.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
That would make more steps.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
It actually makes lot of saying.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Also, the audience don't care. They just want to go
and sing along to teenage dream and have a drink
with their mates.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Like, just stop over complicating it.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I have a question though, for the group. I have
a question for the group. As you said before, Jesse,
the biggest artist in the world now women, which is
a fantastic place to be, like the most talked about,
the most successful artists in the world of women and
all different kinds of women, which we talked about a
while ago. I'm talking about the Grammys, and that's wonderful.
But if you are like a legacy small like you know,
twenty years I reckon is quite it makes you a
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bit of a legacy, and that's Beyonce and that's Swift.
But in this case, it is Beyonce, it is Katy Perry.
Is it fair to be compared to the Charlie Xx's,
the Lords whoever, who are selling a very different esthetic,
you know, this kind of very pared back, supposedly easy going,
(16:59):
just thrown together vibe.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Without any choreography, with any backup dancers dressed like gladiating.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Exactly, and there's a very different shift. But is it fair,
like should the old in inverted commas artist be trying
to be the young artist? Because that feels wrong and
inauthentic too. You know, It's like, I think there's a
particular challenge, isn't there of your going Well, I know
that what's called is brat, but can I really be
brat when my songs are like, oh I kissed a
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girl like twenty years that was a shocking transgressive song, like.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Because one criticism I've seen of Katy Perry, and this
keeps coming up a lot is mum moves criticizing her mum.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
There's a lot of agm.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
There's agism, I think inherent in this, which is that
you are old, you're over the hill, you're daggy. But
on the other hand, the artist who is not Charlie XCX,
who is not Taylor Swift and has never tried to
be is Adele. Like Adele is not going to do
the acrobatic. She can stand there, she.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Doesn't do cory, But that's a different thing.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
It's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So I think if you're an artist, who you know,
who you are, you've got this very authentic like Adele
was never a pop star, no right, Adele is an artist.
And you know, you could say the same thing about
quite a few because not all female pop stars do
choreography and so off, Gracy Abrams just sold Arena's out
in Sydney and she doesn't do that. That's not her thing.
Sore all kinds of different artists. But I think it's
possibly easy. Like Adele can do a Vegas residency in
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stand there in a gown and sing. Katy Perry can't
do that like she was a pop star.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think that the pop of it all,
it's a very competitive space. And I went and saw
Katy Perry probably ten years ago now.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And it was brilliant.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
She was so good her voice. And this is what
I don't understand about some of the clips. I'm like,
say what you want about Katy Perry. She can sing,
like she actually can sing, and that was part of
like she was in gospel choirs and all that kind
of stuff, Like she has a voice. That's why I
kind of believed that she was sick when you could
hear that she just wasn't able.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But our pop stars are getting older and it gets harder.
You know, Katie Perry's in her forties. Beyonce's in her forties. Interestingly,
the coverage I've seen of the Cowboy Carter Tour, Blue
Ivy is out in front and standard she's thirteen and
she's doing all the moves, and even Little Roomy, her
youngest daughter, is there, and there are a lot of
bells and whistles to distract or detract from the fact
(19:13):
that Beyonce doesn't dance like she used to. And I
remember reading about Taylor Swift and I saw a couple
of those concerts. Watching the Katy Perry stuff made me
appreciate Taylor even more in terms of her attention to detail,
because there is not a single moment, even in a transition,
even in a bit where she might not be singing,
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where every movement is not precision. And when I watched
each concert that it were the same movements, and then
I watched the movie, so even like when it seems
like she's just freestyling, she's not.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
What I will say about Taylor though, and I wonder
if this is also the result of everything being filmed
up close. By the time Taylor got to Australia, how
many times had she performed that concert?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Like know how she trained to perform that? I got
obsessed with all of this. She trained by running full
tilt on the treadmill while singing the whole concept because
the stamina you need. We've tried it. It's really hard
to sing and dance at the same time.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But then I suppose Katie Perry is like the same
as I go to a lot of opening nights for
musicals and you often see an error. You see an
error because it's the first time they've done it in
front of an audience. Like now that everyone has a
phone in their hand that gets captured and then that
becomes viral. Rather than Katie Perry, She'll probably be brilliant
by the time she.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Gets I should start locking the phones away like they
do when you go to comedy shows, because maybe no
one should have to see this.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Thanks out loud us for not posting much to us
in Perth.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I just want to leave it by saying, like, think
about Mick Jagger who has been running around pretending to
be twenty two into his eighties right, and he's been
mocked for that for about thirty years now, since he
was about fifty. But there's a respect there, right, And
I wonder as our female icons are getting older, are
we just going to be as brutal, like, way more
(20:59):
brutal with them about age than we ever have been
with any of the male icons. I suspect, yes, Justin
Timberlake copped it for his dad dancing.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, dad dancing, that's very good. I wreck the world
tour out Louders in a moment, a TV twist, a
reco all the out louders are talking about, and something
for your walls. It's our recommendations, vibes, ideas atosphere, something casual,
something fun. This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It's Friday. It's recommendations.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Mia.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You have a reco that I have seen all the
out louders talking about, but I don't know anything about it.
Tell me, tell me. So.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I saw a promo steal for four Seasons with Tina Fay,
and I assumed it was like a ripoff of White
Lotus because Four Seasons is a famous hotel chain. That's
not what it is at all. It's actually a TV
series that's a remake of a movie. By Alan Alda,
who some people will remember as Hawkeye in mash If
you are a gen X or a boomer, it tells
(22:00):
the story over eight episodes on Netflix of three couples
who go on holiday weirdly four times a year, which
seems like a lot to go on a couple's holiday,
And during one of these holidays, one of the couples
break up. He decides that he doesn't want to be
married anymore to her. It follows the couples over the
(22:22):
next twelve months. Every three months they get together, and
it shows the impact of that all been in long
term marriages. There's a same sex couple with Common Domingo
and another actor. There's Tina Fey and Will Forte, and
then there's Steve Carell and his wife who he leaves
for a younger woman who's an influencer. Text Danny and
Claude Eta four point thirty one. Please be ready, Danny says,
(22:47):
you are not the boss of me.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I will emerge when the magic hour late is perfect.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Take me the car. You've been friends for thirty years.
I love all of you.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
All of you plus.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Please do not talk about your other hotter friend group.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
But hur's my feelings.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I know that that's so hot.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Are you guys happy?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
What kind of question is.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
We sit in the same room, monitoring different screens. We're
like co workers at a nuclear facility.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So it looks at the impact of when one person
in your friend group breaks up, what it does to
everybody else? And is it a comedy that yeah, yeah,
it's a comedy. What I love about it is that
it's just easy to watch. There's no drama. It's nothing
like White Lotus in that there's no drama. No one dies.
I mean I'm not quite at the end, but I
don't think anyone's going to die. It's just the stuff
(23:41):
of life and the stuff of relationships. And if you've
ever been in a long term relationship, or if you
wish you were, it might make you feel better about
not being in one.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Where is its great? This is my weirdest recommendation of
all time. What if I told you that you don't
need to paint your walls, you just need to clean them.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, well, well that makes them a different color.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Well so my walls. I've just been looking at them
recently and there's like marks on them and keep thinking, oh,
I'm probably gonna have to paint dogs. We're gonna have
to the dogs and babies, and just even when we
moved in, like there are just kind of handprints all
of it, and I keep looking at them, going, this
is just annoying me. And then I was on Instagram
and I saw someone post something about selly sugar soap wipes. Okay,
(24:30):
so I saw them and I was like, you know what,
I'm going to go buy them, and like they're less
in turn bucks, they're super super cheap. So I go
to my local mitor ten and I get my wipes
and one side cleans them and the other side really
cleans them. So I was like, all right, I'm going
to do it. It was so arousing. I've gone to
all of my because my walls are like an off
white and I'm just cleaning these walls. It looks like
(24:54):
I've painted my walls. They look so much fresher. It
is so exciting.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Do you have to get a ladder?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Because you're quite sure that's the only problem, because I'm
with you. Yea's so true. My kids they are always
putting their hands on the walls. You know, they're running
to a room and the walls are grown. But then
I'm like, walls are big and wipes are small.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yes, but the thing is that your kids can't get
to the roof, can they? And like, so it's like it's.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
All the mess? Is it? Arm level?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Arm level?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And I reckon it has made such a difference. And
I've heard so many people say that they go to
paint their walls. They do this because you meant to
use this right before you paint them, and then they
do it and they're like, what the fuck. It's just
it is the funnest weekend activity you've changed.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Honestly, it's a domestic goddess.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I love it fantastic.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
My reco is for a TV show too, which is
the opposite of me, is because it's the most stressful
TV show I've watched in one hundred years. Old time
out louders will know that I recommended this show last time.
It was on the Last of Us.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
This is where we live the.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Fence. What's insane?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
People, By the time the sun comes up tomorrow, there's
a very good chance you'll be dead.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Oh my god, I can't. This is zombies, right, I can't.
I'm not a zombie.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Go So The Last of Us is a show It
has two strikes against it that you would stop you
from watching it if you didn't know how good it was.
One is the zombies, because Katie Peery is better than that.
One of zombies. It is about zombies. It's an apocalyptic
end of the world thing. And two, it is based
on a video game. So both of those things make.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Me go no.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And yet the most brilliant show. Season one was so
huge Pedro Pascal Bella Ramsey. It is amazing. It's directed
by the guy a direct succession like this is high
level prestige TV. It is so good. Anyway, Season two
has just come back after a really long break because
Rider's strike and all that annoying stuff. I can't reveal
it because it's the biggest twist in TV of the year.
(27:06):
I've been looking forward to it, looking forward to it.
We've been traveling and everything. I'm like me and we're
gonna watch it together Friday night. It's going to be
so great. Can't wait.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Last of us.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It's on Max, which is confusing because you know, things.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Good and wait, do we need a news streaming because.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Things from Binge have gone to Max and blah blah. Anyway,
it's on Max. So took me four hours to relog
in and do all that stuff sit down. The most
devastating plot twist of TV. I was in tears. Have
you watched the whole season or is it dropping episode
to episode? And anyone who watched it knows what I'm
talking about. We're not going to spoil it here, but
the new premium cast member this year is the girl
(27:43):
who played Bell Gibson, Caitlin Diva, and she.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
She plays Bell Gibson.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
So she enters the chat and just blows ship up.
It is devastating. But if you like not everybody does,
it doesn't. But if you like that engrossing TV, and
yes it is scary and dark and all those things,
but it's so great season two of the Last of Us,
I can't recommend it more, but your.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Heart will break.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I need to start it from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I all what started from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I'm just finishing the pit which has got me through
the last few weeks.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Just love it. I would be remiss not to recommend strife,
which is bad goodness. Oh yeah, came back yesterday. That's
season two, which is on Binge.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
This is what we're going to do. I gotta go
back to the office and pretann everything's fine and it's not.
My competition is launching that I clearly need help regulating
my emotions, which are.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Come. I want hot topics.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Punch your headlines made me break my thumb clicking so fast. Wellome,
we have entered the world of podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I think it's time that we name our meeting rooms
after inspiring women. We need some more more call and
inspiring Australian woman Jermaine Angria. This is a great watch.
This is fun. It's funny Season two. What I love
about season two. In season of a show, you have
to do a lot of world building and introduce characters
and explain who's what. In season two, you can just
(29:15):
go in and get into the plot, into the characters.
This looks a lot more into the life of Evelyn,
who is running women's website and there are big competitors
coming at her and she has to deal with issues
of trolling and betrayal and cancelation for her team and
they start podcasting. It's so good. I think you'll really
(29:37):
like it. It's very funny. I like season two even
better than season one. Strife started this week on Binge
and it's starting with one episode and then two to
two and then one at the end.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
And Claire and I wrote episode two.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Oh yes, make sure you watch after the break, micro Pettiness,
Tiny Copenhagen, Fashion and a year of healing. It is
best and worst.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Every Tuesday and Thursday we drop new segments of Mummy
Are out Loud just for MUMMYA subscribers. Follow the link
in the show notes to get your daily Joseph out
Loud And a big thank you to all our current subscribers.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
For best and worst of the week, our peaks and
troughs of the week in our personal lives Holly, what's
your worst?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So in our live show last week in Perth we
talked about micro pettiness. Out Louders know what that is
because Jesse Stevens made a video about it that went
absolutely viral and out Louders gave us all their examples
of tiny things you do as an active based aggression
petty aggression. So I discovered an act of micro pettiness
in my family this week. You know how in most couples,
(30:52):
right you know your family, you're working to a budget, whatever,
but you tend to be tight ass about different things.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yes, yeah, so like I might be do we.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Really need the craft beer or do we really need
you know? Actually I was I shouldn't admit this, but
I was once like does Matilda really need braces or
does she just need to top of But a place
that I don't mind spending a bit of money is
to have like decent food, right, yeah, But Brent does
most of the shopping, and I've discovered that he likes
(31:21):
to troll me by buying the two star mints instead
of the four or five star mints.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Is that because he can't taste the difference.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
He doesn't give a crap and he just goes, let's
save the money there. And the reason I found out
this was an act of micro pettiness is me and
Billy were about to make Alasagner on Sunday, which is
something we do together, and I got the mints out
of the freezer and I saw it was two stars,
and my puff a fish started going and I went
to Brent and I was like, babe, and you know
that tone of voice where they know like, and he
(31:51):
was like, what did I do? But I could see
a little smile playing around his mouth.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
God, He's like, I gotcha. He was trolling. I'm a vegetarian,
so I explained to me the difference between two star
and more star. Well, there was a sister.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
There will be people who at me because I'm sure
that there are lots of very complicated things in this,
but basically like the higher the star, the better quality.
Maybe it's grass fed, maybe it's lower fat. Maybe is
this or that, And you know how you're like trying
to feel like you're feeding your kids the good stuff
and all that kind of thing. Brent is just like
that's the cheapest. I'm getting it. It's one of an
(32:26):
ongoing arguments of like that's not the place to scrimp,
and he's like, I've discovered that. Actually he's just trolling
me with the two stomachs.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
See, my life hack is that I will go shopping
and you know, buy something that we've already got, buy
the more expensive tuna, whatever it is. And noy lucas
so much that now shopping is his job. Yeah, because
he goes, you can't be trusted. I'm like, I can't
be trying.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Maybe that's what Brent's doing. Yeah, maybe he's buying the
home brand tuna and the two star mints because he
knows that No, I'm sorry, this is not where we save.
Where do you save the dollar somewhere else?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
What do you refuse to spend money on.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Matilda's teeth Matilda's tea?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
For sure, it's just slightly fair.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
My best is definitely for me has been my the
response to my book. I have to say, it's been
a week, and I want to thank the out Louders
because he would never has been out in the world
for a week. And I know how lucky I am
and we are that we have this community here of
people who are like, oh, I want to I want
to see what Polly's been talking about and working on.
And it's like it's a massive advantage to us. I'm
(33:27):
not gonna lie. It's I'm so grateful and appreciative of it.
And the Outlouders have all been buying it and talking
about it and sharing it, which just makes me feel
warm and fuzzy even better though, it's just feeling when
you're so nervous when you put anything out into the
world that you've worked so hard on, right, Like it's
we all know this, but when you've worked so hard
on something and you're alone doing it and you're second
(33:47):
guessing it all the time, and it messes with your mind,
and then it goes out and you hold your breath
and then people say this is good, like it's you know,
or this is interesting, or this may love it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It may and you got your big deal review this week.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I did get a big page, which also made me
feel very warm, because you know, again to insecurities, you're like, oh,
you know, women's books don't usually get treated that seriously,
blah blah blah, and it just has been amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Have you got you don't have to tell us figures,
but have you got week one numbers yet?
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I haven't yet got week one numbers. I'm about to
get them. But it looks like it's doing great. It's
it's number one everywhere.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It's number one on Big Book. I think it's number
one on a best selling it's best selling.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Pushed Mel Robins off number one, the number one be
at number two for a while.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Let them be at number two. Mel Robins wouldn't mind.
She'd be like, so.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
An enormous thank you appreciation to everybody who's supported it.
And if you haven't and you feel like a good book,
go buy it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Go.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
That's it for the hard set.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
It's wonderful. It's getting great reviews from the outluders. My
worst is and it's a funny worst. But we have
been touring and our can we like our event boss,
our event manager? Is that what we'll call Lucy?
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Friend and tour manager.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
To a manager? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I worked with
Lucy years ago, as did you, Mom Maya, and she's
one of the best in the business. She's so good
at what she does.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
But she didn't event producer and has her own company.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yes, and Lucy Ormond her name is she. Last year,
when we were on tour for Mum Maya Out Loud Live,
she received a diagnosis. She was diagnosed with breast cancer.
And Lucy's in her mid thirties. She's a young woman,
a young, healthy woman, and she received that diagnosis and
it was shocking and awful and the last twelve months
have been what will probably be the hardest of her life,
(35:37):
like the treatment, the psychological impact, the isolation, moving back
in with her.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Mum, Well, that's what you thought, That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
She thought, That's what I thought, right, And so you know,
we've been checking in and thinking of her so so much.
And then this week, because it's nearly been a year,
and from what I've heard, I'm like, it's great news,
great LuSE treatments.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Treatment's over, she's back on the tour.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
She's back on the tour. She looks great, she looks healthy.
Lucy must be so relieved, and let's just jump back
into it, right. This is how I think of it,
as someone.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Done and radiation's done. Tick tick tick.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yep, you're not bed bound, you're not vomiting. Like to
me as someone who's completely naive. I was just going great,
so excited to have Lucy back, and then she wrote
a sub stack. She's a beautiful writer this week called
a Year of Healing, and it was about what it
feels like when you've had that year. It's almost like
you've been running on adrenaline. There's this great analogy that
(36:35):
she uses about sort of being chased and chased and chased.
But now she's sitting there with the fallout going all right,
now I can live this life I've been fantasizing about
for the last twelve months. And she can't stop crying,
like she's totally emotionally and psychologically confronted by what'sened. Impacted
(36:56):
by changed and totally changed. Yeah, and she's realizing, Oh,
this isn't as simple as this is behind me and
I move on. I'm actually facing the reality of what
just happened. And she put words around something that I
have heard people with not just illnesses, but these horrific
life events that happen out of nowhere that no one deserves.
(37:18):
But to read her talking about it, I mean, I
was so grateful for that perspective, but it's my worst
because I was just reminded that it's not that simple
and that she's going to be emotionally processing this for
a while. I really liked how she called it a year,
like I'm giving myself a year to process this and
to recover, because it's not like when you're in the
(37:39):
midst of that you're resting either, Like imagine the impact
on your nervous system and everything. And now she's just going, oh,
that really happened. There's a link in the show notes.
Have a read of it. And especially if you've had
anyone in your life who's had a diagnosis or someone
close to them with a diagnosis who has really complicated feelings.
When they start getting good news.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
There must be so many outluders, There are so many
outlouders who are going through this, who've been through this,
have people in their lives going through this. We all
wanted to make this recommendation because it is so incredible
to read. Please have a look at it, share it.
It's going to help a lot of people, I think
what she's doing, as well as helping her to sort
of process how she's been feeling.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
And also if you've got someone in your life who
I think we all like to reach for a tidy bow. Yeah, yeah,
to reach for a tidy bow on the closure story
and we go it's fine now, as you said, Jesse,
but for so many women who are living with cancer,
you know it's not over. Like Lucy she wouldn't mind
me saying, but she's going to be on serious medication
for the rest of her life that impacts her in
(38:39):
different ways. And she is one of our great friends.
And I loved reading this because it was like seeing
a glimpse of all the things you love about somebody
and everybody else can see it too. But also I
just know how many people it will help. And there's
a gift.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
It's called a year of healing and there's a lincolnw
show notes and my best is I spoke at a
girls high school most terrifying, or I've spoken in front
of a lot of.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Hats off to you, how many girls?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
About a thousand, and I went to leave and I
was like, mate, you're going to want to look in
the mirror before you leave, because they're going to look
you up and down and go look at those shoes.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
It would have been good if your self esteem was
too high and you just need to get.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Recalibrating exactly to just stand there and go.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And it's you know what, I'm too big for my boots. Yeah, yeah,
I'm going to stand up in front of a thousand
teen age girls.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
It was a lot. But what was great about it
was I sat down and you know, I knew I
was speaking to them, and I thought, all right, what
are the three things that I would want to tell
myself at that age if I was fifteen and now
with in my mid thirties, What wisdom would I want
to impart? What lessons have I learned? And it was
just a really cathartic, reflective experience. And I felt as
(39:47):
though I could stand there because I still really remember
being that age, and I remember even walking in I
was just like, oh, I've got that feeling in my gut,
like it's the most intense, sometimes horrific times and sometimes
incredibly exciting times. But just looking at them, I was like, oh,
I did not envy you. I don't know what it's
what places like I wanted to be Like, wherever you are,
(40:09):
things get better, Like.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Just the level at which you have to have your
guard up at school, yeah, yeah, you go. Yeah, I
don't know, stake probably feel the stakes.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Feel so high anyway, And so I was thinking about
it and one of the things that I said was,
no matter where you go in life, whether it's in
an office or in a workplace or if you've you know,
got a profile on the Internet, people are going to
bitch about you behind your back, and you've got to
find a way to deal with it. I thought that
was something we'd leave in high school. But it's like
people are not going to like welcome to the Internet
(40:40):
in whatever context, even people who whether you work enoughers
or whatever. It's like, people aren't going to like you.
They're going to say awful things. The quicker you learn
how to deal with that, the better I.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Mean, that's such good advice, Jesse, because I think what
women do, and you know, I'm a people pleaser. I'm
certainly guilty of this if we think, if I'm just
nice enough, agreeable enough, whatever, then no one will bitch
about me. Ever, like we genuinely believe that there is
a way of existing that means that no one will
ever talk about you, and it's just actually.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
True, and high school is just maybe that's the big lesson,
is that people are going to say awful things. And
I don't think it ever gets worse than high school.
But it was a good reminder. It was a very
fun experience. Maya, what was your worst?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
My worst is very superficial. I've been out trying to
buy clothes for Luna lately, because she's Luna. No no,
babies don't like shopping.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I know that the great gift of someone new to
buy clothes for Jesse.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
It's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
She you know, I got dress this morning and she
looked at me and went pretty dress. So I know
she's spending too much time with you because she's done
it complimenting me on.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
My favorite thing to do at my house is to
just go through her clothes and just look at them.
It's wild. I went to buy clothes for her because
she's at that stage where she's not a baby anymore.
She's not quite a little girl, like it's that sort
of middle stage. And what I discovered was that there's
little baby's clothes that sort of go up to eighteen
months and then it's like three year olds. Then it's
(42:01):
like proper clothes, and those proper clothes tend to be
like just shrunken. In a lot of places, its just
shrunken down version of adult clothes. It's like leopard print,
graphic teas, cargo peascirts, pretend added us sad how active wear.
And I'm like, I can't dress like my two year
(42:24):
old granddaughter is really awkward probably what could? It was
quite confronting for me, and I also I'm really stripped
in my mind. I'm a dressed your kid however you want.
But I don't like buying clothes for kids that look
like adult clothes. I don't like kids wearing black. I
don't like killings in my world wearing black. Little kids.
(42:45):
Thought that, Oh my god, no, it makes me upset.
I'm even funny about jeans until a certain age really again,
I don't know. She's very cute. She's old enough now.
But when people put like newborns in jeans, I'm just like,
let them here, baby, let them be comfortable jeans.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I can't believe you have opinions on babies clothes.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Oh my god, I do so many. I've found a
few labels that make like, I think, little kids, particularly
little girls, maybe little boys, if they want, should be
dressed like glitter rainbows. Really, that's that's my vibe. And
so I'm just buying all these clothes for Luna.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
So that's her, you're just checking.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, so I just said it for you. Yeah, I know,
Jesse can put her in whatever she wants. But the
good thing is that Jesse and I aren't judge you
like I'm never judging about what she wears. I mean
often in summer she just goes between the two houses
in a nappy essentially now she needs but now it's
a bit colder, so we have to lift the bar
a bit.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
But so apparently two twos are central to the.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
She's so many the age of two twos, and she's
quite into it once they stop crawling, because it's hard
throw them to wear dresses. And stuff. Once they're walking,
you've got a lot more options. So anyway, that's yeah,
kind of my worst in a way, My best is
that I just love working in women's media. It has
been such a fun week in the office. There have
been baby showers, there have been baby announcements, there has
(44:05):
been the Strife launch. Ash Keady and Bruna pap Andrea
came into the office. We did a big Q and
A with the team, as well as recording some podcasts
with them. It was the met Gala this week.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
So high energy.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It was such high energy. Just who gets to go
to work and have the met Gala on TV? You know,
for four hours on a work day, that is everyone's work.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Did you know they were working their asses off? But
every five minutes they're going Like Amy Leewood came onto
the cup and literally the whole office was like whooping.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Did you see the reel that Mum Maya made where
they went around and us and met in the office.
What the met Gala was? It was very good.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Marrek Watts was in the office. He was doing some content.
He's got this drink called Posca. That was funny him commentating.
It was just an absolute CAC.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Thank you out louders for being with us through another
amazing week. We can't wait to see you next week
in Brisbane and Sydney. People who are coming to the shows,
of course, they'll be a link in the show notes.
If there are any tickets left, I don't know if
there are.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Books at them for few.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
And a massive thank you to our team Jesse and
Me tell us who they are.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
A big thank you to group executive producer Ruth Divine.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
She was very popular in perf.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Oh yeah, executive producer Emmeline Gazillis.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
She wasn't allowed to be out there. She was locked
away in a box.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
And we have some lovely news about em. Produce were allowed. Yes,
she's pregnant. My announcement.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
She surprised.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So that's our best. Yeah, she did so she did.
It was very funny. They pretended they wanted to take
a photo of us, got us in the office. We
were standing there with em and then she went I'm
having a baby, and we all got very excited. We're
going to be podcast aunties.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
That was so funny because we were all just happily
doing what Ruth was telling us to do, and then
we were like sure, Ruth says, we'll do it, and
then we were like, so make sure you congratulate em
if you are coming to the tour and you see her.
Our audio producer is Leah Porgi's video producer Josh Green,
and our junior content producers are Coco and Tessa.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Bye bye, bye, out louders. If you're ready to say goodbye,
we have a little treat for you. We thought we'd
leave you with a bit of a conversation from a
subscriber episode. I am very excited to listen to this
one because it's Holly and Vernon and Amelia Lester discussing
a piece on Mom and Maya, A brilliant piece. I
read it called what If Love Never finds You? And
(46:26):
it's about the fear that you might never meet anyone.
This fear for me was so palpable for a long time.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
There's a point in that subsept when Amelia Lessa just
says to me, Holly, do you know how insufferable you sound?
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Go and listen and find out just what I said
say that to me.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
There's a link in the show notes.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Shout out to.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Any Muma Mia subscribers listening. If you love the show
and want to support us as well, subscribing to MoMA
Miya is the very best way to do so. There
is a link in the episode description
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