December 10, 2025 • 43 mins
Performers are totally over it, and their end-of-year burnout is highly relatable content. But also, are we, the crowds, worse than we've ever been? This week a 90s rock legend ripped into a concert-goer at a Melbourne show and we want to know — do any of us know how to behave any more?
And, in what seems like very unsurprising news, adult content creator Bonnie Blue has been arrested in Bali. But why did she take her 'bang bus' there in the first place?
Plus, scams. Amelia has a scam story that will make your hair stand on end, Holly says fears of being ripped-off make holiday shopping harder than battling traffic at the carpark and Jessie wonders what living in an era of mass distrust is doing to us all.
Also, Pammy and Liam, Katy and Justin, Kylie and Timmmeeee — we're bringing you the celebrity romance and fauxmance updates not one of us asked for.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to Mama Mia out loud. It's what
women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the tenth of December. Shit,
it's my brother's birthday, you just realized. Lucky for me,
it's not today in England yet. All right, we're right back.
I had text to my brother.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm Amelia Laster and I'm Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And here's what's on our agenda for today. A rock
star told an Australian audience member off and the response
was the ossiest thing you've ever heard. But is there
a good reason that no one knows how to behave
at concerts anymore?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And why is everybody trying to trick us? It really
does feel like twenty twenty five has been the year
of wading through a swamp of scams.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And adult content creator Bonnie Blue is facing fifteen years
imprisonment in So what exactly is she alleged to have done?
But first, in case you missed it, it's Justin Trudeau
and Katie Perry their Instagram official There's not a single
thing I don't love about this story. It's one of
my favorite things to have happened in twenty twenty five.
(01:23):
It was only in April this year that Katie was
entering her astronaut era.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
She was with Orlando and.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
She was a laughing stock. Like I feel as though
she was sort of in a flop era. She was,
and it felt a bit ikey, the pylon, all of that,
and she's.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Turned it around.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So anyone who's on an in a flop era in
six months U two could be dating the former Prime
Minister of Canada.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But you know what's interesting is that Justin was also
in his flop era. Like his political career did not
end exactly in Blazers of Glory. So I feel like
both of them have lifted each other up.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
See I didn't follow his political career as closely as
I could.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Have, but I feel I'm here for Jesse.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well, I feel like generally I feel warm towards him politically.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, he's very handsome.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah that's it, Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So what happened was Katie uploaded a carousel and one
image was them, a selfie of their faces squish together.
It was a really nice one. There was another way
she was eating sushi and he was looking at her.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Love adoringly.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah, loved it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It might have been looking at the sushi adoringly too
because they were in Japana, but that sushi was.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yes, because she's touring in Japan.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Went deep on this. That sushi restaurant in that carousel
is the same sushi restaurant people think as the one
that she went to with Orlando on New Year's Eve
twenty twenty four. Oh no, And all that she posted
from that was just this silent video of them toasting
with their saco glasses. Very different vibe.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
No no, I didn't feel like things were good. They've
been together for ten years, they were engaged her in Orlando.
I don't know what Orlando's up to, and I don't
care because Katie is just having a moment. And this
came after Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kashita shared a picture
of him and his wife end quote Justin Trudeau and
(03:17):
his partner.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
While they were in Japan.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You know, I'm obsessed with when girlfriend slash boyfriend becomes partner.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I love partner.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Don't we need longer than three months to become partner?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
No, no, no, I think this indicates it serious. But
the internet got very grumpy about the picture because the
four of them are standing there and they're not happy
with what Katie was wearing. Amelia, can you describe what
the fuss was about.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm not happy about what Katie was wearing, and I
love them as a couple, you know I do. But
she was wearing this brown tweed mini skirt suit and
the skirt was very shorty reminded me of when I
wore a school uniform and we all rolled up the
waist of the skirt.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
She had stocking with.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Mid calf boots.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's de mule, that's practically demure. I dined skirt with stockings.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I just thought it was inappropriate for meeting a farm
ahead of state. I love that. Justin's caption was, thank you,
Forumia for your friendship and your continued commitment to both
the international rules based order and making it a better plan.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
She should have won.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The rules based order she does.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
She should have worn her spacesuit. That would have been
more jobbed it for the people.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
If you told Katie that six months ago, she'd be
getting a pick. In fact, her hard launch of her
relationship would be coming from the Japanese Prime Minister.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I don't think she could have named.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
The poor woman did not have a wardrobe full of
slacks and sensible lungs.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's a pant suit. Now she's a political wife.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That was the closest thing she had was a mini skirt,
and I think she looked just lovely.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I thought it was fine. I have another update on
the couple's front. It's from Pammy.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You know I've had that, Holly, I have had it
with them.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Jes because remember, for a brief period this year, we
were all obsessed with Papara Anderson liamnes in them. Were
they or weren't they pashing? They were pashing on TV
and then they'd be like, oh, we've been caught because
they were in a movie together naked gun. I think
it's the fifth one or something. Nobody saw it. We
didn't need an update, but we've got one. And Pammy
has given an interview for people where she expressed upset
(05:20):
that people thought this was a stunt. Let me just
read you a little bit of what she said about this.
If you must know, she said, I must know, If
you must know, Liam and I were romantically involved for
a short while, but only after we'd finished filming. She says,
we spent an intimate week together at his home in
(05:44):
upstate New York, during which time he chased away a
bear from the kitchen window while wearing a towel. She
said that, yes, also she had her own room.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Doesn't sound very.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Both of their assistants came, she said, even family stopped by.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Very interesting to see the bear.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We went to dinner at a tiny French restaurant, where
he introduced me as the future missus.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Sorry, there is so much she's going to tell us
what they.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Order, she said. If you thought you needed more detail,
which you didn't, but this is I appreciate this detail.
I tended to a rose bush overgrown with mint mints everywhere.
Guys like, don't put mint in your beds. It gets everywhere.
Pammy's found this out.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
In your bed. They didn't have the same bed, holly.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Bed. You need to keep it in apart. Anyway, Pammy
knows this, but she says, I always was laughing when
people thought, oh, that's a publicity stunt. I'm like a
publicity stunt. This is real. We have real feelings. I
adore Liam. And then she just adds, but we are
better friends in full honest.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Okay, so you know how like the telltale sign of
a liar is that people are over explaining and giving
more details.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Restaurant.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
That's just not true. I'm tired, I'm irritable. It's December.
I've had enough of you two committing to this ruse.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
We were tricked. We know we were tricked. Leave it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The other thing is, even with the runaway Mint detail,
the maths doesn't math because they filmed that movie in
the northern summer of last year, twenty twenty four. So
they finished filming that in June twenty twenty four, at
which point they went away for the intimate week. Because
she said it was just after we finished filming. They
(07:30):
were only passion on the Telly three months ago. So
even if you did have an intimate week, Patty where
you dealt with his mint, you are film You know.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
What I'm doing the second I walk out of this
record is I'm googling the prevalence of bears during the
warmer months.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I guess that to her credit. Okay, that's the detail
that could corroborate.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
When does Mint like to book?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
You know who's.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Having more than just an intimate week an intimate year,
Timmy Challa May and Kylie Jenner.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I couldn't love them all.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
This is my couple that I want to bring to
the chat because I am obsessed with them. They appeared
this week at the premiere of Timmy's new table tennis
movie tell Us what they were wearing, matching traffic cone
orange outfits they looked. I couldn't stop looking at them,
not because I thought they looked good or bad, but
(08:27):
because I thought they looked so orange, Like they were
both wearing orange shoes even and I just couldn't stop staring.
Dressing to the it was very look at moy and
I have to say that I'm happy to give them
attention because there's something about the two of them that
is utterly compelling at me, Like I'm crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I cannot look away from these, Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I don't understand them. I'm bamboozled by it, but I
believe them.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Look I believe in it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Let me just unpack why they seem so ill suited
to each other. She is like the queen of posting.
She is an influencer. No one understands the Internet better
than her. She got lip filler at sixteen. She was
selling billions of dollars of lip kits. At seventeen, she
gets the internet she had a baby in secret. She
did considered that, Jess, and.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Then she made a really mysterious video about how they
may had a baby in secret. You're like, oh you.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So she's basically like the queen of influencers. And he
is the youngest two time Oscar nominee since James Dean.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I didn't even know that he's a real ad.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
He he's a critically a claimed everyone loves him.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
This is why I love them, because I don't understand it.
I'm on the record on out loud several times as
saying one of the things that people struggle with about
this is if they've been snobby about Jenna, then this
relationship and the fact that it works probably tells us
that she's more interesting than we give her credit for
and he's less interesting than we give him credit for.
And they meet the little glorious orange mesh. But also,
(09:58):
what I like about this I'm learning to understand is
that it used to be had to pick Alane your
artist or your like high profile tabloid relationship. You can't
be both. And He's like, fuck the rules, this is
my woman, and I love her yeah, you expect him.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
To be with some kind of indie French film you
do actress, and the fact that's Kylie Jenna just kind
of works for me. Can we please have a quick
prediction twenty twenty six this time next year, are they
still together?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I'm going to put I am gonna put it on
the record.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't think so. You know what, a month ago,
I wouldn't have said they would have made this year
together because there are a lot of breakup rumors. But
I think there may be the little relationship that could.
And Gwyneth and I just have to say that the
fact that on Christmas Day a movie is being released
that has Timothy Shalomye and Gwyneth Paltrow making out might
be the best Christmas present I have ever heard?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Are we saying that?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
In halfa as Gwyneth says, there's something very rock and
roll about the fact he's dating a single mom of two.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Timothay. Also Timothay's priming us for the long term because
he's been giving interviews talking about He rather controversially said
recently that he thinks that people who don't have children
are living in do you Like, which is a bit
harsh and unfair, and of course Kylie famously was a
young mum, so I wonder if he isn't priming us
for maybe a big announcement in twenty twenty so true.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Or a non announcement. It's another secret baby, and then
they'll just debut it in an orange PBC on Sie,
you do know who Garbage are? Correct?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yes, I'm happy when that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
That's exactly the nineties.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
They were very nineties. Shirley Manson was their lead vocalist,
very cool Scottish. Anyway, Garbage are touring at the moment.
They're at the Good Things Festival. It was in Flemington
on Friday. Other people at this festival are like Tall
and Weezer. This is a very middle aged people's festival, right,
because it's the kind that I go to sometimes where
(11:57):
you can take a beach chair. That's the kind of vibe, right,
but not crucially a beach ball, because what happened at
Flemington is that one of these lovely middle aged people
was wearing a sun hat, sunnies and was waving a
beach ball above his head and Shirley was not here
for it. This is what she said and excused the swears.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Beach ball I'm so so.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Okay, I never want a Scottish person to be angry
at me.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Is that against concert etiquette to have a beach.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well actually sometimes because there's a lot of bands where
they like you having inflatable around, and then there are
a lot that do not. Infamously, a very cool band
called the Pixies who you wouldn't have heard of dying
but anyway they want stopped to show to make everyone
put the beach balls away because they were like, we
are not a beach ball kind of band anyway. According
(13:07):
to The Sydney Morning Herald, after she said that, she
then went on and called him an effing middle aged
man in an effing ridiculous hat, which is oh right
to the heart and a fucking fuck face. She went
really hard.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It's just strange because she is Scottish, she has bright
red hair, she has very pale skin. In the Australian sun,
you need to wear a hat.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I'm sorry, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
The European people never understand that. They think if you
live in the sun, you just walk around in a
Bikinian gong at all times. Anyway, it sounds to me
since she did go on to also call him a
small man with a small penis that Shirley was having
a bad day. But the very next day this tour
went on to Brisbane, an Australia Australian pretty hard at
(13:52):
Manson turning up to the Brisbane date with hundreds of
beach balls where they bounced about everywhere. Cayle Quinn and
The Herald wrote this about Manson. He said her real
issue seems to be he wrote with the pittance artist
and from Spotify, and the way that fans at festival
don't value the artists but treat them as mere circus acts.
It reaked of an artist who's just over it. Or
(14:15):
I have another theory, even though I think that this
was a very over the top attack on this poor
dude who just was waving a pink beach ball above
his head while he was singing I'm only happy when
in protection exactly? Is this just a bit of a
symptom of how artists are sick to the back teeth
of what a lot of people are saying of fans
(14:37):
behaving badly at concerts. A few more pieces of evidence
for you Oasis gig in Melbourne where somebody set off
a Flair, Liam called them the sea word.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Jelly Roll that country music guy played Melbourne in November
and a woman got pelted with rubbish in the crowd
because she got up and danced in a seeded section.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Come on god, yeah, that was so unfair. What are
concerts for if it's not for you had to dance
in the seeded section.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And this isn't just in Australia, of course. Lots of
artists have had to complain call out fans for throwing
things at them, which has become a big thing over
the last few years, from phones to somebody's ashes someone
wants through their mother's ashes at Pink while she was
on stage. And last week Sabrina Carpenter got thrown some
fluffy handcuffs and she got really mad and threw them back.
(15:23):
What is up with everybody?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I wonder if that's certainly part of it, because every
time there's a concept, there seems to be a story
of someone storming the stage or something being thrown and
that would be really scary, like in terms of security,
remember that footage recently, even of Ariana Grande and Cynthia
or Evo walking the Red carpet, and there was that
(15:46):
Australian professional troll essentially who stormed with the carpet. He
did that on stage with Katy Perry this year. He's
done it with the Weekend in Australia where they have
been performing and you see someone come up on stage
run at them like you would free.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
He just got intercepted at Lady Gaga's concert.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yes literally last night.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think that there certainly are
examples of bad behavior and why that is increasing, which
there does seem to be evidence that it's increasing.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I mean, one theory would obviously.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Be phones Johnson when it doesn't even have that large
a following.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
He's the guy, the one who rather it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yes, like what's behind that is clearly main character energy.
A bunch of his captions are about being the main character,
being the main character.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
He just wants his viral moment.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Right, and he's using famous people and concerts and the
attention of tens of thousands of people to get that.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
So it's sort of like.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
The Streaker, except rather than it being television cameras, like
you're just kind of getting yourself your five seconds of fame,
which would be so intensely irritating if you're an artist
trying to do your job.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And get your fifteen minutes of fair exactly, especially if
you're trying to get it back from the nineties like
Shirley was doing.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yes, I went on a bit of a journey with
the Shirley footage. I definitely found it to be my
worst nightmare, Like to be called out in public by
someone for doing something wrong is literally my worst night
And also he wasn't really, It wasn't really. But then
I thought, you know, I do think Carl Quinn has
a point in this idea of musicians probably feel more
(17:28):
exposed and vulnerable on stage than ever before. You think
about the fact that in the last decade we saw
Ariana Grande's concert in the UK disrupted by terrorism. Taylor
Swift had to call off her Vienna concert because of
a very credible piece of intelligence about a terrorist plot.
And I'm sure that after the assassination of Charlie Kirk
(17:49):
in the US, I'm sure that anyone who was going
up on stage anywhere in the world right now is
feeling more vulnerable than they used to.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It so true, And I wonder too, because there's this
concert boom happening in Australia right, and it's stadiums, its arenas.
I think just this year we've had Brian Adams, Billie
eilesh Rufus, Oasis, Drake, Lady Gaga, Juelipa, Katy Perry, Luke Combs,
Lewis Capaldi, so many come. These are all people who
can sell out a stadium, so there are record breaking numbers.
(18:20):
And of course with Taylor Swift earlier this year it
was the biggest show she ever did, ninety six thousand
in Melbourne. That's a lot of people in one place,
which also means.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
That ninety six thousand people it is.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So many, which means there's massive issues with organization, with
crowd control. With even the Lady Gaga concert last night,
they're saying that there was a line people got in
who had lined up for ages missed the first six songs.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It was Oasis too, And I think what's interesting about
that is that we're all craving this in real life experience,
which is why live things are becoming so big. And
also artists are touring more and for longer and going
to more places because the economics of the music industry
is shifted right, So you need to it about money,
how they're making them money now. So everybody's touring all
(19:08):
the time. And the thing is is we're craving these
in real life experiences and we love them, but we
also kind of hate them because it's the inconvenience of
being somewhere with lots of other people and them interfering
with your We're usually in control of everything these days,
aren't we. We talk about that a lot. We're very uncomfortable
with discomfort with having to wait for things, with not
having things the way we want them, and going to
(19:31):
a major event is nothing if not inconvenient, full of
people who will irritate you, not being able to do
everything on your timeline, Like I got here half an
hour before the show started and then I have to
stand in a line for forty five minutes. But I'm
not necessarily criticizing them because I am one of them.
But I'm like people say that concert etiquette is unspoken.
(19:53):
It's like we have an unspoken agreement of how to
behave But do we have any unspoken agreements about anything anymore?
Do you know what I mean? Don't we need or
spelled out for us all the time?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You know how we were even talking about airlines recently
and bad air behavior and planes, and you've got major
corporations really pissing people off who have spent a lot
of money. So they've turned up having spent hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And constant tickets have gotten more experiences.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
So much stand up without someone throwing rubbish at me.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah. If I have paid hundreds of dollars for my
Lady Gaga ticket and it has been in my diary
for eight months.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And I turn up and I missed the first six.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Songs, I am not going to behave myself like I
think that you're going to get a whole lot of
really irritable people. Chuck in that we had this break
with COVID where probably a lot of people did lose
a bit of a sense of how you're meant to
behave chuck in. The person in front of you has
their phone and is filming themselves in the concert the
whole time. That's irritating to people. We probably don't have
(20:52):
an understanding of concert etiquette anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
How mad do you think Shirley was in Brisbane when
everybody brought a breathaball to become bit well and truly bolted.
At that point, it's just like I'm no longer in control.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
And then I go. Raelian audience is particularly bad, I
don't think so.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
A lot of artists have had the things thrown at them.
That's happening everywhere. It's happening in America. Cardib punched somebody
because they threw something at her. I think it's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
To be fair in a moment, Bonnie Blue is in
a lot of trouble and we are going to break
it down for you over the last week. Have either
of you seen the headlines about Bonnie Blue.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I have. I don't really know who Bonnie Blue is.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Bonnie Blue is most famous for her sex stunts and
she was on Only Fans. She's an adult content creator.
She famously slept with more than a thousand men in.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Twelve hours documentary about us.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yes, and she also Schoolies has been a moment where
she kind of seeks out barely legal her term young
men and wants to film them.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
For her class.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
She's English, right, and so why is she? Yes? Well,
because Schoolies is a particularly Australian phenomenon, and there are
also a lot of English people here backprackice and stuff,
So I think that there's a connection there, But she's English.
The documentary one of the stunts she was doing was
very much in London. But Schoolies has become a date
in the calendar, not only for her but for several
(22:28):
other of the adult content influencers to come and use
it as kind of a flagship to make content.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, and then some of the stunts, like she had
this idea of this human petting zoo where people could
do what they want to her and only fans. I
mean there's back and forth over what was the last straw,
but only fans eventually pulled the plug And when you're.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Breaching out to it, when did they do that?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, I think this was last year, relatively recently, and
they said we don't endorse stunts.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
We're done with stunts. They knew it was bad for
their brand.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
So look, she was actually kicked out of Australia because
she've had the wrong visa or something like that. So
Schoolies comes around and she's like, what am I going
to do? And she goes to Bali right where a
few people go for quite a lot of people go
for school yep, and she.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
By the way, we did not go internationally for schools, and.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Fiji is also big for schoolies.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Now she's banned from Fiji to last week. She's in
Kango in Bali and she posted social media. She says
those that are going to schoolies and to those who
are barely legal, cannot wait to meet you. And I'm
in Bali, so you know exactly what that means. Right now,
she has this infamous bang bus is what it's called,
and that is written on the bus. It is going
(23:42):
through the streets of Bali and according to news dot
com dot Au, a local expat reported her he was.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Actually looked like a mini van. But yeah, I guess
bang minivan doesn't have this expat.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We don't know if it's a here or she said.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Bonnie Blue wasn't very hard to find because of they
just followed the van and when authorities turned up to
the residents, they found Blue and fifteen Australian citizens as
well as two British citizens and arrested them all. Now
important context is that Indonesian law strictly bans the production,
(24:17):
the distribution and the public display of pornographic material. It
is illegal to even watch pornography in Indonesia. It is
part of their morality laws. It is a largely Muslim country.
They have very kind of strict rules around this kind
of thing. And local police say that when they arrived
at this resident they found several cameras and several contraceptive
(24:38):
devices and you know, it looked like some lubricant and
some lubricant stuff was going to go down. Now. If
prosecuted and found guilty, Bonnie Blue faces up to fifteen
years in prison or a fine of half a million
Ossie dollars. According to News Corps, she has since been released.
She's cooperating with authorities, and one legal expert they interviewed
(25:01):
said that his guests would be she's deported and she's
not allowed back, rather than you know, serving any time
or anything.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Look, this story is absolutely everywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's interesting because the thing is is Bonnie Blue, and
as I said before, some other sort of similar adult
content creators are at a level now where there has
to be some level of corporation around this, right, there's
a lot of money changing hands. She's very very famous
because it seems like a very basic idea, like lots
of schoolers go to Bali Barley's a party place. Let's
(25:34):
go to Barli. You can do anything there, Whereas anybody,
particularly from Australia knows that that's not really true. Like
plenty of people have gone into lots of trouble in
Bali for breaching different laws and customs, So it's interesting.
The other thing that's interesting to me is I read
the full quote from I think it was a woman
who allegedly snitched on Bonnie Blue. The whole language I
(25:55):
saw in the reporting, which is again a funny term
to use, because she was driving around a relatively small
island in a bang bus and broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
At top I can see those videos.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But she went out of a way. The unnamed woman
who dabbed her in as the language goes to say
that she had no judgment. She has no judgment, but
she said the business community doesn't want it here. Then
she's obviously an EXPAC community member. The EXPAC community doesn't
want it. The local community can't even comprehend it. Pornography
is illegal here, Producing pornography is illegal here. Working without
(26:29):
a proper permit is illegal here. And we don't want
Bonnie Blues Bang from Bali being posted and shared around
the world. What people do behind closed doors is one thing,
but doing it publicly and then promoting it around the
world is too much. What I found interesting about that
is that, as I say, she was being reported in
lots of places as the snitch who dobbed in Bonnie Blue,
(26:50):
but also that she did have to go to lots
of lengths to say I don't have any judgment no
judgment here, which is the way and rightly so. But
it's like how we all feel when we talk about
these things, is you're like, I have no problem with
what ever Bonny Blue's doing. But the thing is is
that there is some thing just so unsettling about it.
(27:10):
For me, what's unsettling, and I've said this before is
about the boys. It's about the boys and the men.
Like I think, the fact that there are so many
wherever she goes in the world who are so willing
to participate in this says a great deal about porn culture,
and it's not surprising that it makes headlines all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
But then the bare illegal language as well is deeply unsettling.
And these men had they were wearing like McDonald's bags
on their heads and trying to masked.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Men always they're always covering their faces. In the documentary,
we got a lot of shots of their shoes. People.
There's something so unsettling about cues of masked men waiting.
It's very unsettling.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Because they're ashamed.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But the way that phrase is used, they're not.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Ashamed, Jesse. They'll be sharing that everywhere. They just don't
want people they know, like their mothers, to see their trouble.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, I came across a tea chok the other day
that made me realize I'm not the only one who
has no idea why some bananas have some red at
the end.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I needed this because I didn't know why. Okay, I
just thought they were expensive and green, all right.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I didn't even notice the price. I just went and
I've never bothered to look it up.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
There was this video on TikTok and it features tourists
in a supermarket with the question can someone Australian explain
what the hell is going on?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Here was one of them, surely Man.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The other one was Blondie Blue, both.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Very irritable, and a content creator named Nick White helpfully
responded and here's what he said, Trilian here, so those
are the bananas with the red bits at the end
of them.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Hope that helps.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
That would be exactly my answer.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
That has a bit of red wax. Okay, can I
get because I still haven't looked this up. It keeps
a banana together. It's wax that helps with.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Emotional support, scaffolding for the exactly right.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Pregnant people use a belly band. It's like a belly
band for a banana.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, it's not, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Why why can we just explain why we're asking? She
is the banana correspondent.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
You grow bananas.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I don't grow bananas. But back when I was a
little backpacker, I worked on a banana farm in fin
North Queensland. It was very exciting.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
This is my respectable Brits.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
They go and they picked the bananas.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That wasn't a thing there and no one would have
wanted to see me in my overalls because here's something
you don't know about bananas. Banana sapp it never comes out,
never comes out of your overalls. Never anyway.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
It would smell quite nice, wouldn't it fruity?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, look it does. Working on a banana farm was
there were lots of rats and I don't know how
rodents there are lots of rats. There were lots of snakes.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Were the overalls kind of she can LEVI I was wearing.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I was wearing because it was the nineties, because I'm young.
I was wearing the little denim cut off ones. And
they did get bananas. Anyway, we digressed. They mark that
those bananas are organic. The red ones are more expensive
because they're more ethically eco grown. They're eco organic bananas,
and that's what they are.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And they tend to be smaller.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Is that because they have They tend to be because
they are the organic bananas? And I thought everybody knew this.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
So you wouldn't put a sticker on it because that's
not very organic.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Oh yeah, doesn't it drive you crazy that there's a
sticker around every piece of fruit?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But here's how you remember, it's like tisnal, It's like
a candle. It's a banana.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Ah. And also that means that that you know how
on some dating they used to be a thing that
which way up your bananas were in the cart meant
that you were single or you were married or not married.
But taken well, if you've got the red bananas facing
Oh and ethical and maybe vegetation.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Wow, do you buy the organic?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I don't. I should, yeah, but I don't. But that's
what they're for. And I didn't know that was an
Australian only thing. But there you go.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Can we make this a regular segment where we just
asked questions about bananast lot.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I have one more thing to tell you that before
my banana picking days, my Saturday job as a teenager
was in a green Grossers in Manchester and we used
to open boxes of bananas that had come from the
West Indies and sometimes spiders that had made it all
the way from the West Indies to cold, rainy Manchester.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
And this is pre red tip right, No, there.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
No red tip bananas in that shop. Anything else we
need to know. No, I didn't think so.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Okay, that's really I thought it was an aesthetic choice.
But I'm glad to know. Yeah, exactly right. The banana
chose a hat.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
After the break. Why Scam Stories are the new Horror Stories.
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Speaker 1 (32:34):
Scam stories have become like modern day horror stories. Have
you noticed this? You're seeing them everywhere now, and I
always read them in the exact same way. I kind
of have like my fingers over my eyes. I grow
increasingly tense and scared, and it's just they're really nerve
wracking to read.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Don't you reckon to your threshold of Like a horror
scam story keeps getting higher and higher, Like I now,
it's like forty thousand dollars. Come on, I need like
four hundred thousand dollars and a year long ruse like
that's what counts for me.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Will gather around the camp fire, pretend that I'm shining
a torch underneath my chin. I am about to tell
you a very scary scam story. This one comes from
a substack this week. It was written by a very
smart journalist called Yasha malk and he was walking in
Paris recently that sounds very nice, and he got a
call from Google. Literally it said on his phone, Google
(33:27):
is calling. Well, he'd never gotten a call from Google before,
but he did pick up because earlier that day, You
know how, sometimes you get those emails which are like,
you tried to log into Facebook or whatever. He's a
verification kobe, you didn't try and log in. He'd got
one of those about YouTube, and he just dismissed it
because he hadn't tried to log in. But he thought, oh, well,
(33:48):
I did get that weird email earlier today, so I
better pick it up. And he picked up and they
said are you Yasher Milk, And they used his little name.
They told him his address, They told him his date
of birth. They told him his Social Security number, which
is like his tax phone number. They had all of
this information about him. So that suggested to him that
this was in fact Google, because that was a lot
of information. And by the way, they sounded very professional.
(34:11):
He said. They spoke in unaccented American English, and so
they said, about half an hour ago, someone contacted us.
That is Google. They had a copy of your driver's
license and they use that and other details to get
into your account.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I would believe this if I was him on the phone,
I would believe that that was Google warning me.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
They said, we are calling you as a courtesy to
ensure that was you. And he said, that wasn't me.
Someone's tried to get into my account, and they said,
not a worry. We can lock them out of your account,
but we do need to act fast. So at this point,
he knew that he should be suspicious.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Right when they tell you to act fast is sometimes
a red flag.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
He knew that he should be suspicious. But then he
did what I think all of us would do. He
looked down at his phone. He looked at the phone number.
Guess what it matched the phone number for Google Support
on Google's website. No, that is how sophisticated scams are getting.
They are now able to essentially inhabit the phone number
of the person that they're pretending to be. And he said, look,
(35:10):
I need some proof that it's you. Can you call
me back in five minutes so I can just check
that this phone number is correct And they said yes,
and they called him back. But he eventually realized it
was a scam because he checked his Google account to
see if he was logged in anywhere else and he wasn't,
And so when they called him back, he said, basically,
the jigs up, go away, and they hung up on him.
(35:31):
But the story felt so relatable to me because he
goes through the different emotions that you feel when you
were contacted by a scammer. You know, when I'm describing
the story to you, it's hard to fully imagine what
that's like to get a call from someone that says,
someone has access to your whole Google account. We can
help you stop that, and you'd feel a lot of gratification.
(35:53):
So he describes the emotions. There's suspicion is this person real?
There's fear, oh my god, someone has access to my
Google account. And there's also and I thought this was
so interesting, a sense of social obligation. It's actually very
hard to call someone out their bullshit if you're not
Shirley Madsen. It's very hard to say to someone I
think you were full of shit, And so that is
(36:14):
often what propels us on and causes us to ask
more questions and potentially get deeper and deeper into the scam. So, look,
I want to know, Holly, when I told you that story,
could you relate to any elements.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I think we're all so scam aware. And there's also
another emotion, which is there's an element of shame always
about the idea that you could get scammed, because don't
only people who don't understand the internet get scammed. Don't.
People who are only not very smart get scammed. Don't.
Only you know, vulnerable people get scammed. And the thing is,
as you say, scammers are getting more and more and
(36:49):
more sophisticated. I feel like this Christmas period, this sort
of Black Friday and leading up to Christmas period, scams
are so front of mind. We're doing all our shopping online.
Every time I hunt something down. One of my kids
has sent me a twenty four page PowerPoint presentation of
all the things that and you go and you look,
and you're like, is this a reputable site? And then
(37:11):
you go and google the site to see if it
is a reputable site, And there will be definitely comments
there that say this place is a scam, and they'll
also be comments saying this place is great and you
don't know. And it's added all these extra steps to everything.
I feel like the proliferation of scams and the fact
that we live our lives online the same way, we've
been left with a lot of work here, like it's
(37:31):
so mucheah anxiety and work to try and figure out
what's real. And I think it used to be that
we'd say, you know, being trusting is a good thing.
Living your life all the time as if somebody's trying
to scam you was a bad way to live. But
we all kind of have to live like that, and
lack of trust is kind of leaky.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
The promise was that this was going to make our
lives easier.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
The online shopping was going to make our lives easier,
online banking was going to make our lives easier having
everything on Google, and it hasn't. It's made Christmas shopping
in many ways harder because people are so alert to it.
Frustration is that, particularly meta platforms can advertise brands that
(38:15):
are scams.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
And this happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
You have something that comes up on your Facebook or
your Instagram and it looks like a really good deal.
Often it's with clothing or whatever, and you can click
it and buy it and it's not real and then
there's no email or terms and conditions or whatever. You
feel like an idiot, and everyone looks at you and.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Goes, well, didn't you choke if they had of returns.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Policy, and you're like, not really, I thought I could
just do that. We're a media company, and if we
put an ad in the middle of our podcast for
a product.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
That didn't exist.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
We would be liable for that, And so that to
me to live kind of on edge all the time.
And even when you do do the checks and balances,
you know, there's people who will turn up over the
holidays to rentals or to accommodation that is not what.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Was that happened to a friend of mine. They got
scammed on a holiday rental site, turned up what didn't exist.
They were literally wandering like Mary and Joseph life the
other thing which is nowhere near as serious. But the
scam alerts are also ruining the surprises of Christmas, because
Brent messages me all the time and says, did you
just buy this thing? Oh yeah, because you know, an
(39:30):
alert will flash up on the banking app and I'm like, yes,
it's a freaking Christmas present.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And the text the only text messages I get are
Black Friday sale.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Or scam from there's a thing to pick up from
the post office, and I'm like, I didn't know or anything,
and it's like a weird scam thing.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Got one the other day about points some points to
claim and it nearly gets me every time.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I've got some good news for you in a way,
which is that none of this is in your imagination,
none of the things that we've been describing here. I
looked into this and there were six thousand websites taken
down last year, Holly, to your point about how hard
it is to online shop these days, six thousand that
is so many. That's just in Australia, by the way.
And then on the social media Jesse, it's true that
(40:14):
the h SEE tracks different scams and it has a
pie chart showing where all the scams came from last year.
Social media is the line and share of where scams
come from by total losses, which means that that is
where people are getting scammed the most, and these platforms
won't do anything about it.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Right, So what you're meant to do, and I have
someone very close to me who got scammed with buying
a bunch of stuff online, you need to check the
terms and conditions and privacy and all of that and
ask a question, if I wanted to return this, where's
the information to return it? Because what will happen is
you'll buy something and then it's like just disappears and
they've gone with your money. The other thing is if
(40:54):
you buy things on a credit card. Often a credit
card offers strong protections and they can reimburse you quickly
if you discover that it's a scam. The other thing
is reviewed, So something can look like it has five
star reviews, but then you look and it's got two
clearly AI generated reviews, like does it have two or
does it have two thousand. That's the other kind of
(41:16):
big difference.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
And we haven't even covered the two most common scams
in Australia in this segment. So the most common scam
by total losses is actually investment scams, so people saying
they're going to triple your money or whatever, basically financial
services scams. Yeah, right. And then the second most common
scam in Australia is a romance scam and last year
(41:37):
they came in at one hundred and fifty six million
dollars in losses for romance, which is just so devastating.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's like we talk all the time about the erosion
of trust, like in the institutions and also between people,
Like this is we're swimming in a soup. We're swimming
in a soup of people trying to get things from you.
Of just not ever knowing if something's quite right. This
doesn't seem quite right. I always think about something you
said a while ago, Jesse, which we were talking about
(42:04):
Loto winners, and you were saying, how does any I
want to tell you if you've won a lot of that?
Can you imagine if somebody called you and said you've
won twenty million dollars, you'd be like, yeah, if somebody
emailed you and said you've want twenty million dollars, you'd
be like report.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's like, how do we even that's absolutely going to spam.
That's absolutely going to spam.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I mean, I think the thing is the devices and
that the ways they're scamming is getting so sophisticated. That's
what really stopped me in Yasha's story, the idea that
now they're spoofing phone numbers like that was what we
were taught as one of the quick ways to tell
if something was a scam, and now we can't even
tell that anymore. But for what it's worst. Scam watch
dot gov dot au is a website where you can
go to learn more about scams to learn how to
(42:50):
counteract them. They say stop check protect. They have a
three step process, and remember to report scams if you
find them, because that really helps them.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
You know what I hate too, is that it means
that we're less inclined to spend with a lady startup
with an independent small business because we go, you know what,
even though this one is unethical probably and it doesn't
pay their workers properly and it might be exploitative whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
At least, so now it's such a good point and
that's kind of disappointing. Out louders.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
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Whether you are listening to us, whether you're watching us
on YouTube, we appreciate you, and of course we appreciate
our fabulous team for putting the show together. We're going
to be back in your ear holes tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
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Speaker 2 (43:45):
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You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to Mama Mia out loud. It's what
women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the tenth of December. Shit,
it's my brother's birthday, you just realized. Lucky for me,
it's not today in England yet. All right, we're right back.
I had text to my brother.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm Amelia Laster and I'm Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And here's what's on our agenda for today. A rock
star told an Australian audience member off and the response
was the ossiest thing you've ever heard. But is there
a good reason that no one knows how to behave
at concerts anymore?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And why is everybody trying to trick us? It really
does feel like twenty twenty five has been the year
of wading through a swamp of scams.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And adult content creator Bonnie Blue is facing fifteen years
imprisonment in So what exactly is she alleged to have done?
But first, in case you missed it, it's Justin Trudeau
and Katie Perry their Instagram official There's not a single
thing I don't love about this story. It's one of
my favorite things to have happened in twenty twenty five.
(01:23):
It was only in April this year that Katie was
entering her astronaut era.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
She was with Orlando and.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
She was a laughing stock. Like I feel as though
she was sort of in a flop era. She was,
and it felt a bit ikey, the pylon, all of that,
and she's.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Turned it around.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So anyone who's on an in a flop era in
six months U two could be dating the former Prime
Minister of Canada.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But you know what's interesting is that Justin was also
in his flop era. Like his political career did not
end exactly in Blazers of Glory. So I feel like
both of them have lifted each other up.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
See I didn't follow his political career as closely as
I could.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Have, but I feel I'm here for Jesse.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well, I feel like generally I feel warm towards him politically.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, he's very handsome.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah that's it, Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So what happened was Katie uploaded a carousel and one
image was them, a selfie of their faces squish together.
It was a really nice one. There was another way
she was eating sushi and he was looking at her.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Love adoringly.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah, loved it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It might have been looking at the sushi adoringly too
because they were in Japana, but that sushi was.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yes, because she's touring in Japan.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Went deep on this. That sushi restaurant in that carousel
is the same sushi restaurant people think as the one
that she went to with Orlando on New Year's Eve
twenty twenty four. Oh no, And all that she posted
from that was just this silent video of them toasting
with their saco glasses. Very different vibe.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
No no, I didn't feel like things were good. They've
been together for ten years, they were engaged her in Orlando.
I don't know what Orlando's up to, and I don't
care because Katie is just having a moment. And this
came after Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kashita shared a picture
of him and his wife end quote Justin Trudeau and
(03:17):
his partner.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
While they were in Japan.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You know, I'm obsessed with when girlfriend slash boyfriend becomes partner.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I love partner.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Don't we need longer than three months to become partner?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
No, no, no, I think this indicates it serious. But
the internet got very grumpy about the picture because the
four of them are standing there and they're not happy
with what Katie was wearing. Amelia, can you describe what
the fuss was about.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm not happy about what Katie was wearing, and I
love them as a couple, you know I do. But
she was wearing this brown tweed mini skirt suit and
the skirt was very shorty reminded me of when I
wore a school uniform and we all rolled up the
waist of the skirt.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
She had stocking with.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Mid calf boots.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's de mule, that's practically demure. I dined skirt with stockings.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I just thought it was inappropriate for meeting a farm
ahead of state. I love that. Justin's caption was, thank you,
Forumia for your friendship and your continued commitment to both
the international rules based order and making it a better plan.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
She should have won.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The rules based order she does.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
She should have worn her spacesuit. That would have been
more jobbed it for the people.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
If you told Katie that six months ago, she'd be
getting a pick. In fact, her hard launch of her
relationship would be coming from the Japanese Prime Minister.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I don't think she could have named.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
The poor woman did not have a wardrobe full of
slacks and sensible lungs.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's a pant suit. Now she's a political wife.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That was the closest thing she had was a mini skirt,
and I think she looked just lovely.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I thought it was fine. I have another update on
the couple's front. It's from Pammy.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You know I've had that, Holly, I have had it
with them.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Jes because remember, for a brief period this year, we
were all obsessed with Papara Anderson liamnes in them. Were
they or weren't they pashing? They were pashing on TV
and then they'd be like, oh, we've been caught because
they were in a movie together naked gun. I think
it's the fifth one or something. Nobody saw it. We
didn't need an update, but we've got one. And Pammy
has given an interview for people where she expressed upset
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that people thought this was a stunt. Let me just
read you a little bit of what she said about this.
If you must know, she said, I must know, If
you must know, Liam and I were romantically involved for
a short while, but only after we'd finished filming. She says,
we spent an intimate week together at his home in
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upstate New York, during which time he chased away a
bear from the kitchen window while wearing a towel. She
said that, yes, also she had her own room.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Doesn't sound very.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Both of their assistants came, she said, even family stopped by.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Very interesting to see the bear.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
We went to dinner at a tiny French restaurant, where
he introduced me as the future missus.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Sorry, there is so much she's going to tell us
what they.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Order, she said. If you thought you needed more detail,
which you didn't, but this is I appreciate this detail.
I tended to a rose bush overgrown with mint mints everywhere.
Guys like, don't put mint in your beds. It gets everywhere.
Pammy's found this out.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
In your bed. They didn't have the same bed, holly.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Bed. You need to keep it in apart. Anyway, Pammy
knows this, but she says, I always was laughing when
people thought, oh, that's a publicity stunt. I'm like a
publicity stunt. This is real. We have real feelings. I
adore Liam. And then she just adds, but we are
better friends in full honest.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Okay, so you know how like the telltale sign of
a liar is that people are over explaining and giving
more details.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Restaurant.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
That's just not true. I'm tired, I'm irritable. It's December.
I've had enough of you two committing to this ruse.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
We were tricked. We know we were tricked. Leave it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
The other thing is, even with the runaway Mint detail,
the maths doesn't math because they filmed that movie in
the northern summer of last year, twenty twenty four. So
they finished filming that in June twenty twenty four, at
which point they went away for the intimate week. Because
she said it was just after we finished filming. They
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were only passion on the Telly three months ago. So
even if you did have an intimate week, Patty where
you dealt with his mint, you are film You know.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
What I'm doing the second I walk out of this
record is I'm googling the prevalence of bears during the
warmer months.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I guess that to her credit. Okay, that's the detail
that could corroborate.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
When does Mint like to book?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
You know who's.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Having more than just an intimate week an intimate year,
Timmy Challa May and Kylie Jenner.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I couldn't love them all.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
This is my couple that I want to bring to
the chat because I am obsessed with them. They appeared
this week at the premiere of Timmy's new table tennis
movie tell Us what they were wearing, matching traffic cone
orange outfits they looked. I couldn't stop looking at them,
not because I thought they looked good or bad, but
(08:27):
because I thought they looked so orange, Like they were
both wearing orange shoes even and I just couldn't stop staring.
Dressing to the it was very look at moy and
I have to say that I'm happy to give them
attention because there's something about the two of them that
is utterly compelling at me, Like I'm crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I cannot look away from these, Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I don't understand them. I'm bamboozled by it, but I
believe them.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Look I believe in it.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Let me just unpack why they seem so ill suited
to each other. She is like the queen of posting.
She is an influencer. No one understands the Internet better
than her. She got lip filler at sixteen. She was
selling billions of dollars of lip kits. At seventeen, she
gets the internet she had a baby in secret. She
did considered that, Jess, and.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Then she made a really mysterious video about how they
may had a baby in secret. You're like, oh you.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So she's basically like the queen of influencers. And he
is the youngest two time Oscar nominee since James Dean.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I didn't even know that he's a real ad.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
He he's a critically a claimed everyone loves him.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
This is why I love them, because I don't understand it.
I'm on the record on out loud several times as
saying one of the things that people struggle with about
this is if they've been snobby about Jenna, then this
relationship and the fact that it works probably tells us
that she's more interesting than we give her credit for
and he's less interesting than we give him credit for.
And they meet the little glorious orange mesh. But also,
(09:58):
what I like about this I'm learning to understand is
that it used to be had to pick Alane your
artist or your like high profile tabloid relationship. You can't
be both. And He's like, fuck the rules, this is
my woman, and I love her yeah, you expect him.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
To be with some kind of indie French film you
do actress, and the fact that's Kylie Jenna just kind
of works for me. Can we please have a quick
prediction twenty twenty six this time next year, are they
still together?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I'm going to put I am gonna put it on
the record.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't think so. You know what, a month ago,
I wouldn't have said they would have made this year
together because there are a lot of breakup rumors. But
I think there may be the little relationship that could.
And Gwyneth and I just have to say that the
fact that on Christmas Day a movie is being released
that has Timothy Shalomye and Gwyneth Paltrow making out might
be the best Christmas present I have ever heard?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Are we saying that?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
In halfa as Gwyneth says, there's something very rock and
roll about the fact he's dating a single mom of two.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Timothay. Also Timothay's priming us for the long term because
he's been giving interviews talking about He rather controversially said
recently that he thinks that people who don't have children
are living in do you Like, which is a bit
harsh and unfair, and of course Kylie famously was a
young mum, so I wonder if he isn't priming us
for maybe a big announcement in twenty twenty so true.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Or a non announcement. It's another secret baby, and then
they'll just debut it in an orange PBC on Sie,
you do know who Garbage are? Correct?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yes, I'm happy when that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
That's exactly the nineties.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
They were very nineties. Shirley Manson was their lead vocalist,
very cool Scottish. Anyway, Garbage are touring at the moment.
They're at the Good Things Festival. It was in Flemington
on Friday. Other people at this festival are like Tall
and Weezer. This is a very middle aged people's festival, right,
because it's the kind that I go to sometimes where
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you can take a beach chair. That's the kind of vibe, right,
but not crucially a beach ball, because what happened at
Flemington is that one of these lovely middle aged people
was wearing a sun hat, sunnies and was waving a
beach ball above his head and Shirley was not here
for it. This is what she said and excused the swears.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Beach ball I'm so so.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Okay, I never want a Scottish person to be angry
at me.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Is that against concert etiquette to have a beach.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well actually sometimes because there's a lot of bands where
they like you having inflatable around, and then there are
a lot that do not. Infamously, a very cool band
called the Pixies who you wouldn't have heard of dying
but anyway they want stopped to show to make everyone
put the beach balls away because they were like, we
are not a beach ball kind of band anyway. According
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to The Sydney Morning Herald, after she said that, she
then went on and called him an effing middle aged
man in an effing ridiculous hat, which is oh right
to the heart and a fucking fuck face. She went
really hard.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It's just strange because she is Scottish, she has bright
red hair, she has very pale skin. In the Australian sun,
you need to wear a hat.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I'm sorry, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
The European people never understand that. They think if you
live in the sun, you just walk around in a
Bikinian gong at all times. Anyway, it sounds to me
since she did go on to also call him a
small man with a small penis that Shirley was having
a bad day. But the very next day this tour
went on to Brisbane, an Australia Australian pretty hard at
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Manson turning up to the Brisbane date with hundreds of
beach balls where they bounced about everywhere. Cayle Quinn and
The Herald wrote this about Manson. He said her real
issue seems to be he wrote with the pittance artist
and from Spotify, and the way that fans at festival
don't value the artists but treat them as mere circus acts.
It reaked of an artist who's just over it. Or
(14:15):
I have another theory, even though I think that this
was a very over the top attack on this poor
dude who just was waving a pink beach ball above
his head while he was singing I'm only happy when
in protection exactly? Is this just a bit of a
symptom of how artists are sick to the back teeth
of what a lot of people are saying of fans
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behaving badly at concerts. A few more pieces of evidence
for you Oasis gig in Melbourne where somebody set off
a Flair, Liam called them the sea word.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Jelly Roll that country music guy played Melbourne in November
and a woman got pelted with rubbish in the crowd
because she got up and danced in a seeded section.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Come on god, yeah, that was so unfair. What are
concerts for if it's not for you had to dance
in the seeded section.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And this isn't just in Australia, of course. Lots of
artists have had to complain call out fans for throwing
things at them, which has become a big thing over
the last few years, from phones to somebody's ashes someone
wants through their mother's ashes at Pink while she was
on stage. And last week Sabrina Carpenter got thrown some
fluffy handcuffs and she got really mad and threw them back.
(15:23):
What is up with everybody?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I wonder if that's certainly part of it, because every
time there's a concept, there seems to be a story
of someone storming the stage or something being thrown and
that would be really scary, like in terms of security,
remember that footage recently, even of Ariana Grande and Cynthia
or Evo walking the Red carpet, and there was that
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Australian professional troll essentially who stormed with the carpet. He
did that on stage with Katy Perry this year. He's
done it with the Weekend in Australia where they have
been performing and you see someone come up on stage
run at them like you would free.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
He just got intercepted at Lady Gaga's concert.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yes literally last night.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think that there certainly are
examples of bad behavior and why that is increasing, which
there does seem to be evidence that it's increasing.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I mean, one theory would obviously.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Be phones Johnson when it doesn't even have that large
a following.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
He's the guy, the one who rather it.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yes, like what's behind that is clearly main character energy.
A bunch of his captions are about being the main character,
being the main character.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
He just wants his viral moment.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Right, and he's using famous people and concerts and the
attention of tens of thousands of people to get that.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
So it's sort of like.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
The Streaker, except rather than it being television cameras, like
you're just kind of getting yourself your five seconds of fame,
which would be so intensely irritating if you're an artist
trying to do your job.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And get your fifteen minutes of fair exactly, especially if
you're trying to get it back from the nineties like
Shirley was doing.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yes, I went on a bit of a journey with
the Shirley footage. I definitely found it to be my
worst nightmare, Like to be called out in public by
someone for doing something wrong is literally my worst night
And also he wasn't really, It wasn't really. But then
I thought, you know, I do think Carl Quinn has
a point in this idea of musicians probably feel more
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exposed and vulnerable on stage than ever before. You think
about the fact that in the last decade we saw
Ariana Grande's concert in the UK disrupted by terrorism. Taylor
Swift had to call off her Vienna concert because of
a very credible piece of intelligence about a terrorist plot.
And I'm sure that after the assassination of Charlie Kirk
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in the US, I'm sure that anyone who was going
up on stage anywhere in the world right now is
feeling more vulnerable than they used to.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It so true, And I wonder too, because there's this
concert boom happening in Australia right, and it's stadiums, its arenas.
I think just this year we've had Brian Adams, Billie
eilesh Rufus, Oasis, Drake, Lady Gaga, Juelipa, Katy Perry, Luke Combs,
Lewis Capaldi, so many come. These are all people who
can sell out a stadium, so there are record breaking numbers.
(18:20):
And of course with Taylor Swift earlier this year it
was the biggest show she ever did, ninety six thousand
in Melbourne. That's a lot of people in one place,
which also means.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
That ninety six thousand people it is.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So many, which means there's massive issues with organization, with
crowd control. With even the Lady Gaga concert last night,
they're saying that there was a line people got in
who had lined up for ages missed the first six songs.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It was Oasis too, And I think what's interesting about
that is that we're all craving this in real life experience,
which is why live things are becoming so big. And
also artists are touring more and for longer and going
to more places because the economics of the music industry
is shifted right, So you need to it about money,
how they're making them money now. So everybody's touring all
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the time. And the thing is is we're craving these
in real life experiences and we love them, but we
also kind of hate them because it's the inconvenience of
being somewhere with lots of other people and them interfering
with your We're usually in control of everything these days,
aren't we. We talk about that a lot. We're very uncomfortable
with discomfort with having to wait for things, with not
having things the way we want them, and going to
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a major event is nothing if not inconvenient, full of
people who will irritate you, not being able to do
everything on your timeline, Like I got here half an
hour before the show started and then I have to
stand in a line for forty five minutes. But I'm
not necessarily criticizing them because I am one of them.
But I'm like people say that concert etiquette is unspoken.
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It's like we have an unspoken agreement of how to
behave But do we have any unspoken agreements about anything anymore?
Do you know what I mean? Don't we need or
spelled out for us all the time?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You know how we were even talking about airlines recently
and bad air behavior and planes, and you've got major
corporations really pissing people off who have spent a lot
of money. So they've turned up having spent hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And constant tickets have gotten more experiences.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
So much stand up without someone throwing rubbish at me.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah. If I have paid hundreds of dollars for my
Lady Gaga ticket and it has been in my diary
for eight months.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And I turn up and I missed the first six.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Songs, I am not going to behave myself like I
think that you're going to get a whole lot of
really irritable people. Chuck in that we had this break
with COVID where probably a lot of people did lose
a bit of a sense of how you're meant to
behave chuck in. The person in front of you has
their phone and is filming themselves in the concert the
whole time. That's irritating to people. We probably don't have
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an understanding of concert etiquette anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
How mad do you think Shirley was in Brisbane when
everybody brought a breathaball to become bit well and truly bolted.
At that point, it's just like I'm no longer in control.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
And then I go. Raelian audience is particularly bad, I
don't think so.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
A lot of artists have had the things thrown at them.
That's happening everywhere. It's happening in America. Cardib punched somebody
because they threw something at her. I think it's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
To be fair in a moment, Bonnie Blue is in
a lot of trouble and we are going to break
it down for you over the last week. Have either
of you seen the headlines about Bonnie Blue.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I have. I don't really know who Bonnie Blue is.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Bonnie Blue is most famous for her sex stunts and
she was on Only Fans. She's an adult content creator.
She famously slept with more than a thousand men in.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Twelve hours documentary about us.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yes, and she also Schoolies has been a moment where
she kind of seeks out barely legal her term young
men and wants to film them.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
For her class.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
She's English, right, and so why is she? Yes? Well,
because Schoolies is a particularly Australian phenomenon, and there are
also a lot of English people here backprackice and stuff,
So I think that there's a connection there, But she's English.
The documentary one of the stunts she was doing was
very much in London. But Schoolies has become a date
in the calendar, not only for her but for several
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other of the adult content influencers to come and use
it as kind of a flagship to make content.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, and then some of the stunts, like she had
this idea of this human petting zoo where people could
do what they want to her and only fans. I
mean there's back and forth over what was the last straw,
but only fans eventually pulled the plug And when you're.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Breaching out to it, when did they do that?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, I think this was last year, relatively recently, and
they said we don't endorse stunts.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
We're done with stunts. They knew it was bad for
their brand.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
So look, she was actually kicked out of Australia because
she've had the wrong visa or something like that. So
Schoolies comes around and she's like, what am I going
to do? And she goes to Bali right where a
few people go for quite a lot of people go
for school yep, and she.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
By the way, we did not go internationally for schools, and.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Fiji is also big for schoolies.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Now she's banned from Fiji to last week. She's in
Kango in Bali and she posted social media. She says
those that are going to schoolies and to those who
are barely legal, cannot wait to meet you. And I'm
in Bali, so you know exactly what that means. Right now,
she has this infamous bang bus is what it's called,
and that is written on the bus. It is going
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through the streets of Bali and according to news dot
com dot Au, a local expat reported her he was.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Actually looked like a mini van. But yeah, I guess
bang minivan doesn't have this expat.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We don't know if it's a here or she said.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Bonnie Blue wasn't very hard to find because of they
just followed the van and when authorities turned up to
the residents, they found Blue and fifteen Australian citizens as
well as two British citizens and arrested them all. Now
important context is that Indonesian law strictly bans the production,
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the distribution and the public display of pornographic material. It
is illegal to even watch pornography in Indonesia. It is
part of their morality laws. It is a largely Muslim country.
They have very kind of strict rules around this kind
of thing. And local police say that when they arrived
at this resident they found several cameras and several contraceptive
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devices and you know, it looked like some lubricant and
some lubricant stuff was going to go down. Now. If
prosecuted and found guilty, Bonnie Blue faces up to fifteen
years in prison or a fine of half a million
Ossie dollars. According to News Corps, she has since been released.
She's cooperating with authorities, and one legal expert they interviewed
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said that his guests would be she's deported and she's
not allowed back, rather than you know, serving any time
or anything.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Look, this story is absolutely everywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's interesting because the thing is is Bonnie Blue, and
as I said before, some other sort of similar adult
content creators are at a level now where there has
to be some level of corporation around this, right, there's
a lot of money changing hands. She's very very famous
because it seems like a very basic idea, like lots
of schoolers go to Bali Barley's a party place. Let's
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go to Barli. You can do anything there, Whereas anybody,
particularly from Australia knows that that's not really true. Like
plenty of people have gone into lots of trouble in
Bali for breaching different laws and customs, So it's interesting.
The other thing that's interesting to me is I read
the full quote from I think it was a woman
who allegedly snitched on Bonnie Blue. The whole language I
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saw in the reporting, which is again a funny term
to use, because she was driving around a relatively small
island in a bang bus and broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
At top I can see those videos.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But she went out of a way. The unnamed woman
who dabbed her in as the language goes to say
that she had no judgment. She has no judgment, but
she said the business community doesn't want it here. Then
she's obviously an EXPAC community member. The EXPAC community doesn't
want it. The local community can't even comprehend it. Pornography
is illegal here, Producing pornography is illegal here. Working without
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a proper permit is illegal here. And we don't want
Bonnie Blues Bang from Bali being posted and shared around
the world. What people do behind closed doors is one thing,
but doing it publicly and then promoting it around the
world is too much. What I found interesting about that
is that, as I say, she was being reported in
lots of places as the snitch who dobbed in Bonnie Blue,
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but also that she did have to go to lots
of lengths to say I don't have any judgment no
judgment here, which is the way and rightly so. But
it's like how we all feel when we talk about
these things, is you're like, I have no problem with
what ever Bonny Blue's doing. But the thing is is
that there is some thing just so unsettling about it.
(27:10):
For me, what's unsettling, and I've said this before is
about the boys. It's about the boys and the men.
Like I think, the fact that there are so many
wherever she goes in the world who are so willing
to participate in this says a great deal about porn culture,
and it's not surprising that it makes headlines all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
But then the bare illegal language as well is deeply unsettling.
And these men had they were wearing like McDonald's bags
on their heads and trying to masked.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Men always they're always covering their faces. In the documentary,
we got a lot of shots of their shoes. People.
There's something so unsettling about cues of masked men waiting.
It's very unsettling.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Because they're ashamed.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But the way that phrase is used, they're not.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Ashamed, Jesse. They'll be sharing that everywhere. They just don't
want people they know, like their mothers, to see their trouble.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, I came across a tea chok the other day
that made me realize I'm not the only one who
has no idea why some bananas have some red at
the end.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I needed this because I didn't know why. Okay, I
just thought they were expensive and green, all right.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I didn't even notice the price. I just went and
I've never bothered to look it up.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
There was this video on TikTok and it features tourists
in a supermarket with the question can someone Australian explain
what the hell is going on?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Here was one of them, surely Man.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The other one was Blondie Blue, both.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Very irritable, and a content creator named Nick White helpfully
responded and here's what he said, Trilian here, so those
are the bananas with the red bits at the end
of them.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Hope that helps.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
That would be exactly my answer.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
That has a bit of red wax. Okay, can I
get because I still haven't looked this up. It keeps
a banana together. It's wax that helps with.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Emotional support, scaffolding for the exactly right.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Pregnant people use a belly band. It's like a belly
band for a banana.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, it's not, that's not it.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Why why can we just explain why we're asking? She
is the banana correspondent.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
You grow bananas.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I don't grow bananas. But back when I was a
little backpacker, I worked on a banana farm in fin
North Queensland. It was very exciting.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
This is my respectable Brits.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
They go and they picked the bananas.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
That wasn't a thing there and no one would have
wanted to see me in my overalls because here's something
you don't know about bananas. Banana sapp it never comes out,
never comes out of your overalls. Never anyway.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
It would smell quite nice, wouldn't it fruity?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, look it does. Working on a banana farm was
there were lots of rats and I don't know how
rodents there are lots of rats. There were lots of snakes.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Were the overalls kind of she can LEVI I was wearing.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I was wearing because it was the nineties, because I'm young.
I was wearing the little denim cut off ones. And
they did get bananas. Anyway, we digressed. They mark that
those bananas are organic. The red ones are more expensive
because they're more ethically eco grown. They're eco organic bananas,
and that's what they are.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And they tend to be smaller.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Is that because they have They tend to be because
they are the organic bananas? And I thought everybody knew this.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
So you wouldn't put a sticker on it because that's
not very organic.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Oh yeah, doesn't it drive you crazy that there's a
sticker around every piece of fruit?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But here's how you remember, it's like tisnal, It's like
a candle. It's a banana.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Ah. And also that means that that you know how
on some dating they used to be a thing that
which way up your bananas were in the cart meant
that you were single or you were married or not married.
But taken well, if you've got the red bananas facing
Oh and ethical and maybe vegetation.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Wow, do you buy the organic?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I don't. I should, yeah, but I don't. But that's
what they're for. And I didn't know that was an
Australian only thing. But there you go.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Can we make this a regular segment where we just
asked questions about bananast lot.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I have one more thing to tell you that before
my banana picking days, my Saturday job as a teenager
was in a green Grossers in Manchester and we used
to open boxes of bananas that had come from the
West Indies and sometimes spiders that had made it all
the way from the West Indies to cold, rainy Manchester.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
And this is pre red tip right, No, there.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
No red tip bananas in that shop. Anything else we
need to know. No, I didn't think so.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Okay, that's really I thought it was an aesthetic choice.
But I'm glad to know. Yeah, exactly right. The banana
chose a hat.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
After the break. Why Scam Stories are the new Horror Stories.
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Speaker 1 (32:34):
Scam stories have become like modern day horror stories. Have
you noticed this? You're seeing them everywhere now, and I
always read them in the exact same way. I kind
of have like my fingers over my eyes. I grow
increasingly tense and scared, and it's just they're really nerve
wracking to read.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Don't you reckon to your threshold of Like a horror
scam story keeps getting higher and higher, Like I now,
it's like forty thousand dollars. Come on, I need like
four hundred thousand dollars and a year long ruse like
that's what counts for me.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Will gather around the camp fire, pretend that I'm shining
a torch underneath my chin. I am about to tell
you a very scary scam story. This one comes from
a substack this week. It was written by a very
smart journalist called Yasha malk and he was walking in
Paris recently that sounds very nice, and he got a
call from Google. Literally it said on his phone, Google
(33:27):
is calling. Well, he'd never gotten a call from Google before,
but he did pick up because earlier that day, You
know how, sometimes you get those emails which are like,
you tried to log into Facebook or whatever. He's a
verification kobe, you didn't try and log in. He'd got
one of those about YouTube, and he just dismissed it
because he hadn't tried to log in. But he thought, oh, well,
(33:48):
I did get that weird email earlier today, so I
better pick it up. And he picked up and they
said are you Yasher Milk, And they used his little name.
They told him his address, They told him his date
of birth. They told him his Social Security number, which
is like his tax phone number. They had all of
this information about him. So that suggested to him that
this was in fact Google, because that was a lot
of information. And by the way, they sounded very professional.
(34:11):
He said. They spoke in unaccented American English, and so
they said, about half an hour ago, someone contacted us.
That is Google. They had a copy of your driver's
license and they use that and other details to get
into your account.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I would believe this if I was him on the phone,
I would believe that that was Google warning me.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
They said, we are calling you as a courtesy to
ensure that was you. And he said, that wasn't me.
Someone's tried to get into my account, and they said,
not a worry. We can lock them out of your account,
but we do need to act fast. So at this point,
he knew that he should be suspicious.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Right when they tell you to act fast is sometimes
a red flag.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
He knew that he should be suspicious. But then he
did what I think all of us would do. He
looked down at his phone. He looked at the phone number.
Guess what it matched the phone number for Google Support
on Google's website. No, that is how sophisticated scams are getting.
They are now able to essentially inhabit the phone number
of the person that they're pretending to be. And he said, look,
(35:10):
I need some proof that it's you. Can you call
me back in five minutes so I can just check
that this phone number is correct And they said yes,
and they called him back. But he eventually realized it
was a scam because he checked his Google account to
see if he was logged in anywhere else and he wasn't,
And so when they called him back, he said, basically,
the jigs up, go away, and they hung up on him.
(35:31):
But the story felt so relatable to me because he
goes through the different emotions that you feel when you
were contacted by a scammer. You know, when I'm describing
the story to you, it's hard to fully imagine what
that's like to get a call from someone that says,
someone has access to your whole Google account. We can
help you stop that, and you'd feel a lot of gratification.
(35:53):
So he describes the emotions. There's suspicion is this person real?
There's fear, oh my god, someone has access to my
Google account. And there's also and I thought this was
so interesting, a sense of social obligation. It's actually very
hard to call someone out their bullshit if you're not
Shirley Madsen. It's very hard to say to someone I
think you were full of shit, And so that is
(36:14):
often what propels us on and causes us to ask
more questions and potentially get deeper and deeper into the scam. So, look,
I want to know, Holly, when I told you that story,
could you relate to any elements.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I think we're all so scam aware. And there's also
another emotion, which is there's an element of shame always
about the idea that you could get scammed, because don't
only people who don't understand the internet get scammed. Don't.
People who are only not very smart get scammed. Don't.
Only you know, vulnerable people get scammed. And the thing is,
as you say, scammers are getting more and more and
(36:49):
more sophisticated. I feel like this Christmas period, this sort
of Black Friday and leading up to Christmas period, scams
are so front of mind. We're doing all our shopping online.
Every time I hunt something down. One of my kids
has sent me a twenty four page PowerPoint presentation of
all the things that and you go and you look,
and you're like, is this a reputable site? And then
(37:11):
you go and google the site to see if it
is a reputable site, And there will be definitely comments
there that say this place is a scam, and they'll
also be comments saying this place is great and you
don't know. And it's added all these extra steps to everything.
I feel like the proliferation of scams and the fact
that we live our lives online the same way, we've
been left with a lot of work here, like it's
(37:31):
so mucheah anxiety and work to try and figure out
what's real. And I think it used to be that
we'd say, you know, being trusting is a good thing.
Living your life all the time as if somebody's trying
to scam you was a bad way to live. But
we all kind of have to live like that, and
lack of trust is kind of leaky.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
The promise was that this was going to make our
lives easier.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
The online shopping was going to make our lives easier,
online banking was going to make our lives easier having
everything on Google, and it hasn't. It's made Christmas shopping
in many ways harder because people are so alert to it.
Frustration is that, particularly meta platforms can advertise brands that
(38:15):
are scams.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
And this happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
You have something that comes up on your Facebook or
your Instagram and it looks like a really good deal.
Often it's with clothing or whatever, and you can click
it and buy it and it's not real and then
there's no email or terms and conditions or whatever. You
feel like an idiot, and everyone looks at you and.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Goes, well, didn't you choke if they had of returns.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Policy, and you're like, not really, I thought I could
just do that. We're a media company, and if we
put an ad in the middle of our podcast for
a product.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
That didn't exist.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
We would be liable for that, And so that to
me to live kind of on edge all the time.
And even when you do do the checks and balances,
you know, there's people who will turn up over the
holidays to rentals or to accommodation that is not what.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Was that happened to a friend of mine. They got
scammed on a holiday rental site, turned up what didn't exist.
They were literally wandering like Mary and Joseph life the
other thing which is nowhere near as serious. But the
scam alerts are also ruining the surprises of Christmas, because
Brent messages me all the time and says, did you
just buy this thing? Oh yeah, because you know, an
(39:30):
alert will flash up on the banking app and I'm like, yes,
it's a freaking Christmas present.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
And the text the only text messages I get are
Black Friday sale.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Or scam from there's a thing to pick up from
the post office, and I'm like, I didn't know or anything,
and it's like a weird scam thing.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Got one the other day about points some points to
claim and it nearly gets me every time.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I've got some good news for you in a way,
which is that none of this is in your imagination,
none of the things that we've been describing here. I
looked into this and there were six thousand websites taken
down last year, Holly, to your point about how hard
it is to online shop these days, six thousand that
is so many. That's just in Australia, by the way.
And then on the social media Jesse, it's true that
(40:14):
the h SEE tracks different scams and it has a
pie chart showing where all the scams came from last year.
Social media is the line and share of where scams
come from by total losses, which means that that is
where people are getting scammed the most, and these platforms
won't do anything about it.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Right, So what you're meant to do, and I have
someone very close to me who got scammed with buying
a bunch of stuff online, you need to check the
terms and conditions and privacy and all of that and
ask a question, if I wanted to return this, where's
the information to return it? Because what will happen is
you'll buy something and then it's like just disappears and
they've gone with your money. The other thing is if
(40:54):
you buy things on a credit card. Often a credit
card offers strong protections and they can reimburse you quickly
if you discover that it's a scam. The other thing
is reviewed, So something can look like it has five
star reviews, but then you look and it's got two
clearly AI generated reviews, like does it have two or
does it have two thousand. That's the other kind of
(41:16):
big difference.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
And we haven't even covered the two most common scams
in Australia in this segment. So the most common scam
by total losses is actually investment scams, so people saying
they're going to triple your money or whatever, basically financial
services scams. Yeah, right. And then the second most common
scam in Australia is a romance scam and last year
(41:37):
they came in at one hundred and fifty six million
dollars in losses for romance, which is just so devastating.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's like we talk all the time about the erosion
of trust, like in the institutions and also between people,
Like this is we're swimming in a soup. We're swimming
in a soup of people trying to get things from you.
Of just not ever knowing if something's quite right. This
doesn't seem quite right. I always think about something you
said a while ago, Jesse, which we were talking about
(42:04):
Loto winners, and you were saying, how does any I
want to tell you if you've won a lot of that?
Can you imagine if somebody called you and said you've
won twenty million dollars, you'd be like, yeah, if somebody
emailed you and said you've want twenty million dollars, you'd
be like report.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's like, how do we even that's absolutely going to spam.
That's absolutely going to spam.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I mean, I think the thing is the devices and
that the ways they're scamming is getting so sophisticated. That's
what really stopped me in Yasha's story, the idea that
now they're spoofing phone numbers like that was what we
were taught as one of the quick ways to tell
if something was a scam, and now we can't even
tell that anymore. But for what it's worst. Scam watch
dot gov dot au is a website where you can
go to learn more about scams to learn how to
(42:50):
counteract them. They say stop check protect. They have a
three step process, and remember to report scams if you
find them, because that really helps them.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
You know what I hate too, is that it means
that we're less inclined to spend with a lady startup
with an independent small business because we go, you know what,
even though this one is unethical probably and it doesn't
pay their workers properly and it might be exploitative whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
At least, so now it's such a good point and
that's kind of disappointing. Out louders.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
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Whether you are listening to us, whether you're watching us
on YouTube, we appreciate you, and of course we appreciate
our fabulous team for putting the show together. We're going
to be back in your ear holes tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
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