September 26, 2025 • 35 mins
The school holidays are upon us and Monz, Amelia & Stacey are back to distract you with some Millennial core memories, a flashback to Shania Twain and a playlist that will lift your mood.
On the show this week:
- Genius or completely unhinged? Do our kids need ‘Social Media Prep School’? We've got thoughts.
- And, are you holding onto a room full of stuff to hand down to your kids? How A$AP Rocky & Rihanna and Sarah Jessica Parker are rebranding your clutter or as we like to call it 'love junk'.
- Plus, the childcare conversation we need to have & one woman's controversial solution.
And our recommendations:
🎵 Stacey wants you to listen to her playlist Girly Pop Songs That Make Me Wanna Break A Door Down on Spotify
🎧 Amelia is recommending Greeking Out by National Geographic
🍪 And Monz has an iconic hack for parents of hungry goblin children: The Offering
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and
waters that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast for parents who
don't always listen to parenting podcasts. Here we are again
with another week of parenting culture. And it's school holidays
and fuck like save us.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm Amelia Last and I am Stacey Hicks. What are
you doing with your school holidays?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Mons?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Okay, don't be jealous, but this morning I went to Costco.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh, I am jealous. I love Costco.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I've never been. It looks like wonderland for me. I
want to go.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Make sure you don't go hungry and just go with
a full belly and fully caffeinated. It is got such
a wide on pulling my king side week and I've
bought like ninety six rolls of toilet paper and we're good.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
We're good holidays.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
We're restoring those.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We've got a big shed because I don't live in Sydney.
I live in a place where we have more room,
so we have the room to store the crossca toiler
rolls here.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Yeah, I just love that your school holiday plans seem
to involve a lot of toilet papers.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah sounds great, sounds like a rager, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Coming up on today's show, What Are You Keeping for
Your Kids?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Rihanna has some ideas.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
And look, the childcare system is in crisis, but there's
a woman with an idea that might just work.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
And do kids need social media prep school? Because I
saw this thing on TikTok. It's a woman teaching her
kid how the brain responds to social media before she
even gets a phone. Is this the new pen license?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But first, before we go any further with the show,
this is a topic I really wish we did not
have to cover here, but it's pretty impossible to miss
the headlines around it. This week you would have seen
that the US President Donald Trump linked the use of
tail and old, which is what we call paracetamol here
in Australia, to autism in children. I just want to
make it very clear in case you haven't seen it
(02:13):
everywhere on every new side in the world this week.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
He's full of shit.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Every global medical professional has disagreed with this claim.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Obviously, this has.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Caused a lot of confusion and anxiety for anyone who's
been pregnant or planning to be, and Muma Mia out
Loud did a full explainer on Wednesday. If you want
to go back and listen to that, we'll link it
in the show notes. That's all he gets from us.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, Talie moving on lap from one world leader to another.
In case you missed it, former New Zealand Prime Minister
Jacinda Ardirn has written a children's book and it was
released this week. It's called Mum's Busy Work and it's
illustrated by Ruby Jones. Remember we cannot forget the illustrators.
They are very important, and it's through the eyes of
a little girl who has a working mum who brings
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home a big briefcase. She sometimes comes home tired, she
sometimes doesn't want to go to work, but she always
makes it clear that her child is her greatest work.
This is so curious to me and I can't wait
to talk about it with you both. I have duplicate
feelings about this because I read the book. I loved
(03:17):
the book. The book is part of our rotation now.
As a busy working mum myself, I found it very
helpful and very useful. But it is curious to me
that a female world leader writes a book on being
a working mum, Like what is that, Amelia?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, I'd love Boris Johnson's book about being a working
dad to all his illegitimate children, but that one is forthcoming.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I get why you feel weird about it.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
It's sort of like, remember there was this trend a
few years ago for books about how girls can do anything,
and they would be like profiles of girls. But then
the publishers realized that maybe boys felt left out, and
so then there were all these books published about how
boys can do anything, with like profiles of famous men
throughout history, and every now and then I pick up
one of those at the bookshop because I do have
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a son and a daughter, and I think, do I
need to give my son a book that tells him.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That he can be anything in the whole world? Probably not?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Probably not, But I love this book. I know you'll
be surprised by this because she is my twin. I've
been told I look like a few times it's the
big teeth. But I love it because I think you
have to write what you know, and what she going
to write, like this is how you get a bill
passed through parliament like that? It will not be a
page turner for the four year old. So I think
it's great and it almost I did see it and go,
(04:31):
oh good, that will give me permission.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
If she's a world leader doing it, I can do it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It's fine.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I'm not saying it's a bad book. It's a great book.
What I'm saying is, if we just take a step back,
if Jacinda Arderne was a man, she wouldn't be writing
a book about how dad has to go to busy
work and the pool between work and home life and
how actually the most important thing in the world is
being a great dad. That's just curious to me. And
also just Cinda Arderne is not the first world leader
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to write a children's book. So King John Ill who
was a Korean dictator. He's dead now, but he wrote
a children's book. Do you know what it was about?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
What was it about?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It was a mercile, violent book about basically North Korea
being the greatest in the world. And then Obama wrote
a children's book too, but his was a letter to
his daughter's which was very beautiful. But also this tribute
to groundbreaking Americans. So it's just interesting to me. That
the female world leader has to write this book about
mum gilt basically wrapped up in a book.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And it's also like, do we want our children's books
to always be teaching such an explicit message? Sometimes I
long for children's books that can take us into a
bit more of a magical world, away from the grinding
realities of being a busy woman in the working world.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, sometimes you can just be a hippopotamus on a
roof eating cake and that's good enough.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
There's this mum on TikTok that started a social media
prep school for her kid and I saw this and
I thought, holy shit, that is gold. Is this the
new pen license for kids? Do we all need to
sit our kids down and tell them what social media
does to our brains? So this woman's name is Jamie C.
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She has an eleven year old daughter, and in the
first lesson, she walks her through how the brain works
and what the brain does when you're on social media.
Just take a listen.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Let's say that you post a video online. We'll say
it's like a dance video. All of a sudden, someone
says this is so cringey. When they type that, that
commenter may have been feeling nervous about dancing in public,
like they actually want to dance like that, like so confidently,
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but they feel nervous, so they are typing what they're
actually like because they feel bad about themselves, like they
want to be able to do that. Or maybe they
were teased about their dancing in the past and now
they're just like, okay, well now dancing is so uncool.
Maybe they had a bad day and they're just putting
out their energy onto somebody else. Okay, that comment was
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never about your dancing, right.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I loved the very emotive music underneath that, making it
sound like a movie trailer.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
The comments in this were widely applauding this woman, and
I just want to throw it out there. Should we
all be doing social media prep school with our kids
before they're even allowed to have a phone. It's like,
please do this course in the same way that you
have to get a pen license at school, in the
same way you have to get a driver's license to
drive a car. Is it complete the understanding of social
media and the brain before you are getting a phone.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I love the idea and I want to borrow what
she said. I felt very healed by what she said,
it's not about your dancing. It never is about your dancing.
It's about what that person's feeling. But I want to
flip this idea a little bit and say, I think
we need some teachings from younger people about how to
understand the Internet today, because I feel like the world's
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kind of slipping away from me in terms of understanding
Internet culture. And this was really highlighted for me with
the shooting of Charlie Kirk. It was apparent that the
mainstream media could not understand and what's Internet subcultures. The
guy who's been charged with the shooting of Charlie Kirk
came from a lot of the explanations I was reading
were proven to be erroneous or wrong, because we, meaning
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journalists who don't understand the Internet subcultures of young people,
were jumping to conclusions that were wrong about his motivations
and about the corners of the Internet in which he
was living. I read this really great interview with the
journalist Max Read. He has a newsletter, and he spoke
with an elections analyst and JENZ member called Ettingermentum.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Because I guess.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Often these people just prefer to use the Internet aliases
rather than their real names, and he made the point
that it was younger Internet users that were able to
contextualize the shooter more accurately than the media. So I
want to throw out there that I need this course,
but taught by young people.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
To me, yeah, I feel the same way. Like I
actually feel like it shouldn't necessarily be parents down. It
feels like it should be kids up, because it does
feel like we're chasing our tail a little bit, trying
to keep up with what they're doing. I read this
great substack that Mia Friedman actually recommended to our entire
mom and mea team called after School by Casey Loss.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Such a good news.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So good, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And it just makes me feel like down with the
kids because it tells me all of the trends that
are kind of happening for gen Z and jen Alpha.
So I love it in that respect and that it
keeps you in the loop. But still I don't know
if we're like doing enough to actually keep up with them.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
So I'm not sure if I completely agree with that point, respectfully,
because I think children's brains are not fully developed and adults'
brains generally are, and the stuff that we are talking
about is how the brain responds to stimulus, and the
brain responds to various things online, and I think we're
seeing the research shows enormous rates of anxiety, depression, and
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very poor mental health outcomes for teenagers that are on
social media, Like there is a direct link between the
two things. So I hear what you're saying about we
need to understand the culture. But I do think children
need to understand from like a brain lens and an
emotional lens and a scientific reactionary lens of what's actually
going on physiologically for them.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But do you feel like it needs to almost be younger?
Like at eleven, they've probably been around phones and access
to the internet for a long time. Like how early
do we start this? Is this like tech prep school
for kids? Like do we do this at four or
five years old?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I mean kids today will say the phrase like and
subscribe or subscribe to my channel pretty regularly. Yeah, And
I'd say that they probably need this kind of schooling
from the minute they start using that phrase yeah, Because
what better entree into the hyper capitalist, hyper competitive, ultimately
very shallow world of internet culture.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's the perfect introduction that phrase, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
They're on it from two.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I mean, you see babies in cafes all the time
sitting there on YouTube like they are seeing it. So
maybe we need to be doing like sign language for
babies around how they should be consuming it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Quite seriously, though Australias are a little bit behind in
terms of media literacy. There's lots of European trees that
are a lot further ahead. They're teaching media literacy in
France and in the UK. It's part of the curriculum
to understand fact checking and research and what to trust
and what not to trust. And I know Brass Corbett.
He runs Newshounds, which is a Squizz kids podcast that
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teaches media literacy. It's a program and he did a
Churchill Fellowship on trying to get the government and the
Education department to take this really seriously because we are
quite behind on teaching kids media literacy and social media literacy.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I didn't know that that's really interesting. I will say
that the New South Wales government has launched a program
called Dodgy or Not, which is being rolled out in
primary schools right now, and it basically teaches kids to
identify furdulent content online through games that's cool, and I
think that's exactly the sort of step in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
There's a topic that is.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
On the minds of so many Australian parents right now,
and that topic is that the Australian childcare sector is
in crisis.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It's massively complex, like the headlines around safety problems, childcare deserts.
Australian parents pay more for childcare than pretty much anywhere
else in the world. There's a lot of kids with
additional needs that can't find the care they need, and
then there's all the safety concerns Amelia.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Mond's I think that's really important, and I just want
to add also the abuse scandals of foremost in the
minds of parents across Australia right now too, which have contributed.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
To this perception that this is a sector that is
in trouble.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
There's a woman who might have a solution, but she's
very controversial, So let me explain her she is and
then we can get into what she believes. Her name
is Virginia Tapscott. She is an Australian mum of four.
She is a freelance journalist, although I think that her
sort of identity in the media is as a stay
at home mum. She lives in regional New South Wales.
(13:04):
So she gave an interview this week because she's got
a new book out in the City Morning Herald and
Age newspapers and it's got the title People don't want
to have this debate Virginia tap Scott's uncomfortable crusade.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Why is she controversial?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
This is the thing, So Virginia tap Scott says, and
gird your lawin's here because this is going to be
confronting to some people listening to this. It was certainly
confronting to me. Virginia tap Scott's key idea is that
we need to start valuing cares and we need to
start valuing them in financial terms.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Just like we expect.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Other people who do a job to be paid, we
should be also treating people who care for children the
same way. Her catch is that she wants children under
the age of two to be cared for at home,
ideally by a single person, ideally by a parent. She
does not think that children under two should be in
institutional childcare settings.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And is this her just saying this because she's a journalist, right,
She's done the research on this, so.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
She brings plenty of studies to the table.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
I will say that, you know, in these kinds of
incredibly complex topics, there does seem to be an ability
to cherry pick studies that confirm your point of view. Now,
she's certainly studies that she says confirms her point of
view that it is better for the child to be
under the care of a single person under the age
of two.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But stating the obvious here, but that's not always possible, right, Like,
I know you're in the same boat as me. That
would have not been an option for me in my
family arrangement. So it's all well and good to say,
but how do we actually make that work well?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And also, frankly, it makes me feel like shit. Yeah,
like this is why.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I feel really uncomfortable bringing her up. But the reason
I am is because she says this could help solve
the childcare problem, and we can't go on like this.
Here's what Virginia would say, when you take children out
of the home and out of the care of a
single person into an institutionalized setting before they turn two,
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you are not giving them the best opportunities. Now again,
I want to tell you how confronting that is for
me to say that, and I don't think Virginia intends
to make mothers who work outside the home feel bad.
In fact, her bigger point is that we need to
start valuing care work, and yes, that mean incentivizing financially
the care of both the very young and the very old.
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We need to stop pushing that care aside and saying
that it doesn't bring value to society.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, because it does.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That was the thing that stuck out to me the
most from her argument that I actually thought was very
true and something we're all guilty of. She said, I'm
a product of a culture where my self worth is
derived from paid contributions. And I think like if someone
asked me, if I was at a dinner party and
someone said to me, what do you do, I would
say my job title before I would say that I
am a parent the other half of the week, because
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I feel like, in the back of my mind, whether
that's right or wrong, I feel like that brings value
and that I offer something.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
But that's absolutely not true.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Like the work that women are doing, all the work
that people are doing inside the home raising those children
full time is sometimes a lot harder than what I'm
doing in a job.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
So here's what it might look like in concrete terms
to sort of support what she's saying. Maybe we need
to think about making parental leave much longer for both
men and women.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, much much longer. And instead of sending.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Government subsidies to childcare centers, what virgin you would advocate
for is using that money to pay parents of all
genders to stay home.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Okay, So I read the parliamentary submission of Virginia's collective
it's called the Parents Work Collective, because I wanted to
try and understand more wholly the argument, and I got
to say, I don't hate it, Like arguing that caregiving
needs more infrastructure is a good thing to argue, Like
I don't know how you felt when you came back
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to work, but that wrench of when you first returned
to work after having a baby, And it's going to
be different for everyone. I'll say that some women can't
wait to get back to work, but for the majority
of me and my friends, that period is so difficult.
And I think what they're arguing is, what if we
had twelve months of paid parental leave instead of three,
What if there was more paternal parenting leave, What if
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once you return to work part time, which a lot
of women do, which is kind of this motherhood penalty.
What if we gave a parental allowance if you're working
part time. The thing that I thought was interesting in
this parliamentary submission was this is what it says. There's
a great quote that always sticks with me by philosopher
Arthur Schoppenhauer. All truth passes through three stages. First it's ridiculed,
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Second it's violently opposed, and third it's accepted as being
self evident. I think we're somewhere between stages one and two.
The idea that care work could be valued and well supported,
and that the season of life in which we have
babies be melded much more seamlessly into paid work is
probably somewhere between stages one and two. But together we
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can move this to stage three, where supporting mothers and
supporting care work is incredibly beneficial to the well being
of mums, babies, and families and society at large. So,
to put it crudely, what Virginia Tapscot and the Parents
Work collective us saying is, what if we treated stay
at home mums the same way that we would treat
roads or hospitals, like a basic piece of national infrastructure.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
But would you want to?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's the thing that's not part of the argument is that, yes,
it would be great to have the option do you
want to? And some people don't want to, And it's just.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
A compulsory Stacey, it's not compulsory. This is about actually
just giving people the choice to do it. Yeah, not
everyone has to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Having brought this subject to the table, which is that
in Scandinavian countries where they have increased parental leave for fathers,
they found that fathers still don't take even the full
very generous parental leaves that they are given. The dads
are not taking the full leave, and now some countries
have had to introduce all these convoluted rules to force
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them to basically saying, if the dad takes his full allowance,
then the mum gets sort of some bonus months, like
all these incentives on top of the generous parental leave.
So the problem with I think what Virginia's saying is, yes,
she says this could be any parents staying at home,
but we all know that in the majority of cases,
for all sorts of complicated cultural reasons to do with
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how we stereotype people. It's going to be the mum
staying at home. I think those are some great ideas.
Once love the idea of that bridging payment between paid
work and unpaid work. But her career is the one
that's going to be damaged. Her financial independence is going
to be jeopardized by staying at home, and we're going
to have fewer women who are heads of companies, sitting
on company boards and even like she center our journal
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leading the country.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
But that's already happening. To your point about the Nordic
countries that are doing this, I listened to this great
podcast that was made by Future Women. They did a
whole three part series on the childcare crisis, and they
talk to a lot of experts, and one of them
said that those countries where they do have support a
transition from mothers back into work and more paid parentally,
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do see higher rates of women in leadership roles, of
women in executive roles, of women working full time, and
full time women working means more tax players. Like it's
they talk to. There's this Nobel Prize winning economist James
Heckman and he said every dollar spent in quality early
childhood education yields between seven and twelve dollars back to society.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I think that he's not talking about stay at home
parents there. He's talking about investing in high quality early
childhood education.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's a great idea, and I think it also would
go a long way in terms of showing value to
those women that are choosing to stay at home or
have made arrangements to be able to do that, to
stay at home, like they have been forgotten in a
lot of the conversations, So it would be great if
they were compensated for it. I think that would go
a long way in terms of the perception of what
they're doing as actual work.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
What Virginia is saying.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
She is not saying invest in early childhood education, even
though that is a thing that governments around the world
are thankfully realizing that they need to do. Virginia tap
Scott Bully is that it doesn't matter how quality that
early childhood education is and how much money the government
throws at it, and how many postgraduate degrees our care
educators have. It is not a substitute for at home
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care to her, it's a very clear binary. And what
I worry about with that is it's so great to
be finally saying that just because you're not paid for
something doesn't mean that you're not contributing something incredibly valuable
to society, arguably the most valuable. But what does that
mean for women's roles more generally when they are being
implicitly and explicitly encouraged to stay at home for the
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good of the child.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
It's a bit of a privileged position to be in,
isn't it. Do you think it's linked to the tradwife
movement Stacy.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Well, she's kind of saying that it's not. She's almost
going against that.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
She says she's not a tad wife because what she's
saying is it doesn't matter whether you're a dad or
a mum. The point is you need someone at home
with the kids who's engaged in that care and who
is valued for that care. Trad Wives lean into the
kind of fetishizing of that whole thing as almost not
something that you should be paid for, but rather something
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that looks really.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Pretty and it's great for us.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And she actually has written for mummamea a bit before
tumons what you said about it being like a privilege game,
because I definitely thought the same thing. I thought, oh,
it'd be great to have that choice, but not everybody's
got that choice. But she did a brilliant piece for
Mumamea called people think stay at home parents must be wealthy,
but this is the true cost, and she interviewed so
many parents, mostly mothers, about what sacrifices they were kind
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of making and what arrangements they were using to be
able to do this and to have someone at home
with their child at all times. So a lot of
them it involved moving to more rural areas so that
their rent was lower, or for others it meant, you know,
never taking holidays, never having meals out. Others they were
doing shift work where they tag team to be.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
With the kids.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So it's not necessarily just something for people who have
got like a really high income earner in their family.
People are choosing this for their own reasons, whether that's
to stay away from childcare or whether to just be
more present and making sacrifices to make that happen. And
I just want to make it very clear when we're
talking about this that there are some brilliant and childcare
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educators out there that are doing an incredible job. I
know I trusted my daughter's early childhood educators with my
life with my child. We don't want to undermine the
amazing work that they're doing, but more talking about the
system as a whole.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I hope that us talking about this hasn't made anyone
feel bad about their choices. Our intent by bringing it
here was a to sort of touch on this huge
topic that parents all over Australia are thinking about right now,
and b to get us thinking about radical solutions because
things can't go on like this.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
If you're someone who has a closet stuff full of
clothes you haven't worn in years, but you can't bear
to part with, I have good news.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
You're not a hoarder. It's not clutter.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's now being rebranded as a collection, a love collection.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I'm going to call it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
That's according to a very unlikely hero asap Rocky, also
known as I thought it was asap rock you and
mea Friedman both because I have also heard her refer
to this rapper as asap.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
No, it's asap Rocky.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Asap Rocky. That social media class you really do.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
He is also known as Rihanna's other half. The Rapper
spoke this week about how he and Rihanna plan to
keep all their iconic fashion looks to hand down to
their three children. So they've got sons Rizza and Riot
and a daughter who they just announced the birth of
this week, called Rocky. So they're kind of doing the
Kardashian thing where all the kids have got the same
letter name. And he said, at this point, it's not
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even being a hoarder, it's being a collector. So I
want to know, have you two got a room full
of coture gowns you're planning to hand down.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
To is like the iconic Australian band, the Hoarders and Collectors?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, what have you got? What are you going to
give for nothing?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Because there's this phenomenon that I've read about called boomed junk.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Have you heard of boomer junk?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
No, it's it's all have a TikTok where every millennial
that goes home to see their parents gets just handed
a box of stuff that their parents are like, oh,
we're just keeping this for you for when you're older.
So there's this theory that boomers were raised by parents
who are shaped by the Great Depression, so they rarely
get rid of anything for fear of needing it later.
And many boomers are also collectors and they're highly sentimental.
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They also own their own homes, so they stay in
them for longer, meaning that they can just accumulate more stuff,
and then the stuff becomes our problem. So asap Rocky
is just doing, we've moved from boomer junk to millennial junk.
It's the natural revolution.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
When I heard this, I immediately my mind immediately went to
the fact that Sarah Jessica Parker gave an interview early
this year with w magazine and spoke about the same
idea regarding her daughters, who just turned sixteen this year.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Oh, because she has an amazing shoe collection, I'm sure,
and keeps everything from the show.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Right, She's kept everything from every show, every outfit from
every show.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Do you let your daughters borrow your shoes?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Here's the sad truth is that they really don't fit
them anymore. Are the wrong size, and that's not going
to go backwards.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It's really kind of awful.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Though one of them seems to lately fit some of them,
but they don't really ask for them that much. Thus far,
they're not really like raiding my closet or anything. They
very much they have their own style.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
This is the thing, Like there's no guarantee like Asap Rocky,
I'm sorry, I cannot get off the Asap and Rihanna.
Like obviously they have iconic style, each of them as individuals.
But it's going to be like remember the nineties sitcom
Absolutely Fabulous, And in that show you had this kind
of fashion easter mother Adina Monsoon and then her daughter
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Safie who actually hated fashion. Asap and Ree's children.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Are going to hate fashion.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, they're going to be like hawkish and like refuse
to wear any of the gorgeous gowns.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
They might not. And also, okay, now I'm going to
defend Asap Rocky in Rihanna because this isn't like stained
bonds onesies that they're keeping. This is proper couture and
proper beautiful fashion that's been crafted and that's artistic. So
all the experts say is that if you're going to
keep stuff, try and limit what you keep to only
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what's really special, and then also include a note for
context or a little story about the item. So It's like,
dear little Rizza, whatever their name is, this is what
I wore to the met Gulla and I sat next
to and a wind tool. Like that's a cool story.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, but what are we doing like handing down a
musty spice girl's T shirt and being like I bought
this in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Two, Like they don't care.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
What are they gonna do with that?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
My mum kept a pair of flares and oh, epic, epic.
She only kept a few select things and they're pretty
great to get out and try on.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, I actually have one thing I brought Show and
Tell today. I know this is an audio media, but
I bought Show and Tell something I will be handing
down to my daughter. In fact, I already have it
is an artifact and an ancient artifactor.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I have it in my top pocket to show you.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Wait, I want to guess before you see it a
slap band swatch G show.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I didn't keep any of that, and I should have.
It is a millennial icon. It is the owl necklace always,
so we all owned this, so obviously we're a podcast.
I am holding a long pendent necklace that I'm pretty
sure I got from Diva in about two thousand and five,
two thousand and six, and I would wear it clubbing
and it has an owl on it.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Why did we think that was good?
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Don't know, but we all had one.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
We did, and I've somehow held on to it and
I've now passed it down. So I suggest you hold
on to the same things. And actually I have a
whole series of these necklaces, like I have about twenty
deranged millennial necklaces. So I'll put them up on the
mumu mea family Instagram if you want to have a
look at them or you're listening.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Don't hold onto the Diva necklaces. Fine, I'll hold onto
the patek Philip watch everything else can go?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
All right?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
To wrap up things today, we're going to share the
things that we're loving, sick things that we might text
to our friends or put in the mum's group chat. Amelia.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I have a podcast.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
It is called Greeking Out, and it has the most
catchy song you've ever heard with the word mythology in it.
Because it's a national geographic podcast about ancient Greek myths.
It has been so successful that they've made eleven seasons
of it. Which should give you some idea of just
how big it's cult following is. It's been really interesting
for me because I don't know anything about Greek myths,
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but I like the idea of my children knowing a
lot about Greek myths, if you know what I mean,
Like I want to be there.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Is this a kid's show or an adult show?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It's a kid's show.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I want to be that person who's like, my son's
obsessed with ancient Greek myths, and guess what he is
thanks to this podcast, And it's showing me how much
of what we talk about comes from ancient Greek myths.
Like when we say flying too close to the Sun,
we're really talking about the god Icarus, who is explored
in one of these episodes of this podcast. It's a
really listenable show. It sounds dry and boring, it's not
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at all. It has two co hosts, one of which
is called the Oracle of Wi Fi, which is my
favorite title of all time.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
It's really funny.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
I'd say it's great for kids five and up, probably
five to ten, pretty good range age range. It's free,
it's on your favorite podcast app, and my kids love it.
And now I can say that they're into ancient Greek myths.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I think I need to listen because I didn't know
that about the flying close to the sun. So I'm
going to educate myself. My recommendation this week is a
Spotify playlist. I'm recording my own Spotify playlist, which we
can drop in the show notes if anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Always it, okay, tell me in what circumstances do I
play this?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
This playlist is called Girly Pop Songs that make Me
want to break a door down. It's so good and
basically what I'm trying to emulate is you know, when
you hear the start of Shania Twain's Men, I feel
like a woman where it goes Let's go girls, and
it just pulses through your body. So I've made this playlist.
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It's ridiculous, like it makes no sense really everything that's
on it. But it's got spice girls, It's got like
man Eater, it's got Jack Jack Jackie like all these.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Oh my god, you were really dredging up core memory. Yeah,
Jack Jack jacky.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I play this playlist every morning when I'm walking to work.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Are you wearing her our necklus while you do it?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I should be what a combo, But it's just we'll
put you in the best mood. It's impossible to feel
in a bad mood if you play this playlist, so
we'll drop it.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Or you can just make your own.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
If you hate my taste in music, which is understandable,
what have you got one?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
This is for anyone who has like goblin children in
the morning where they're hungry and they're just fuck eyed
until they have something to eat. So my sister Bridget
told me about this, and it's called the offering. The
idea is that you leave something out overnight on your
kid's bedside table so that when they wake up there's
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a little something waiting for them to snack on. Now,
do not come at me, dentists, do not come at me.
People who think we give our kids too many snacks.
I'm not interested. The whole idea is just like lift
that blood sugar level and banish the demons. So here's
some ideas with stuff that you'll already have in the house.
Dry cereal in a cup, nutri grain, cheerios, pretzels or popcorn,
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things that don't get soggy, or like a little bowl
of blueberries or some sliced up apples to put out overnight.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Hot tip. If you slice apples and then you soak
them in cold water with a little bit of salt,
they do not go brown. That's my lunch box hack
fee as well.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I'll never be doing that, but that's great to know
that you can do.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Are you actually doing this month?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Every morning I soak apples for the lunch boxes for
the Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
My god, no, I meant the offerings. Are you doing offerings?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yes, oh yes, my god.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
The offering has been a game changer because both of
my children wake up like rah, they never wake up
beautiful and angelic, and the offering they don't come to
me straight away. I just hear them crunch, crunch, crunch.
I'm like, yes, it gives me five more minutes of sleep.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Okay, but here's my question. I think I know that answer.
The thing I love about kids this is more a statement.
They're never gonna ask.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Like who put this food here?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Why?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
They're just living in this world where they just expect
like delightful little treats to be by their bed when
they wake up.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I know, I know you ever forgot Well, can you
imagine what would happen.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
If you forgot one day, it will be like, oh yeah,
an apocalypsey and they.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Get up and get it for themselves. We can dream, right,
we can dream.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I am definitely adopting this because every day between the
time of five am and six am, I get woken
by the words Mommy, come to my room, and I
don't think that'll happen if there's breakfast cereal next to
her bed.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So I'm going to do that sisly. Next time I
see you, I might bring you an offering to the office,
because I think the offering could also be extended to
mums in the workplace. At around three pm, I.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Was just like, ah, I need some really good cumfry tat.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I would love a little snack placed on my desk
without asking. Thank you so much, Mons.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
That's all we have time for on Parenting out Loud
this week. Hey, thanks to the people that left very
enthusiastic reviews in Apple podcasts. We're so chuffed by those.
It's sort of our personal sticky chart.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
After last week's show, we asked people to leave reviews
but gentle parenting style, so we said, don't over praise us.
Praise is out. You can't praise outcome anymore. You can
only praise effort, our pollers, our pout louders. Understand. Dana writes,
thank you parenting out loud. I'm really glad you're here.
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You're doing such important work, and I see how much
heart you put into every word. Thank you, Dana.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And this one from.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Jackie g is titled holding Space, Mon's Stacy and Amelia.
I noticed how you kept trying even when it was tricky.
You must feel proud of yourselves, So thank you, thank you.
You are all elite level powders, powers, pout louders.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Pout louders powers is good to whichever one they want.
They can decide let us know.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Comment here, which we haven't read yet from Laura, Laura wrote,
kids are now grow and love this though have to
say Amelia is the bomb. Sometimes you can just say
the nice thing without praising effort.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Thanks Thanks for.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
That, Laura, Thank you so much. The challenge remains to
write a review in gentle parenting speak because it makes
us laugh so much. So we want you to channel
your most overthinking millennial parent brain and tell us we're
doing a good job without telling us that, So praise
the effort, guys make us laugh. A big thanks to
our team this week. Junior Content produces Coco Levine and
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Tessakovic produces Leoporgus and Sashatanic and the group ep Is
Ruth Devine. Have a great week. Good luck out there
in school holidays. We'll be back in this feed next
Saturday morning.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Bye bye,
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and
waters that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast for parents who
don't always listen to parenting podcasts. Here we are again
with another week of parenting culture. And it's school holidays
and fuck like save us.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm Amelia Last and I am Stacey Hicks. What are
you doing with your school holidays?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Mons?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Okay, don't be jealous, but this morning I went to Costco.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh, I am jealous. I love Costco.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I've never been. It looks like wonderland for me. I
want to go.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Make sure you don't go hungry and just go with
a full belly and fully caffeinated. It is got such
a wide on pulling my king side week and I've
bought like ninety six rolls of toilet paper and we're good.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
We're good holidays.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
We're restoring those.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We've got a big shed because I don't live in Sydney.
I live in a place where we have more room,
so we have the room to store the crossca toiler
rolls here.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Yeah, I just love that your school holiday plans seem
to involve a lot of toilet papers.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah sounds great, sounds like a rager, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Coming up on today's show, What Are You Keeping for
Your Kids?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Rihanna has some ideas.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
And look, the childcare system is in crisis, but there's
a woman with an idea that might just work.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
And do kids need social media prep school? Because I
saw this thing on TikTok. It's a woman teaching her
kid how the brain responds to social media before she
even gets a phone. Is this the new pen license?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But first, before we go any further with the show,
this is a topic I really wish we did not
have to cover here, but it's pretty impossible to miss
the headlines around it. This week you would have seen
that the US President Donald Trump linked the use of
tail and old, which is what we call paracetamol here
in Australia, to autism in children. I just want to
make it very clear in case you haven't seen it
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everywhere on every new side in the world this week.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
He's full of shit.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Every global medical professional has disagreed with this claim.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Obviously, this has.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Caused a lot of confusion and anxiety for anyone who's
been pregnant or planning to be, and Muma Mia out
Loud did a full explainer on Wednesday. If you want
to go back and listen to that, we'll link it
in the show notes. That's all he gets from us.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, Talie moving on lap from one world leader to another.
In case you missed it, former New Zealand Prime Minister
Jacinda Ardirn has written a children's book and it was
released this week. It's called Mum's Busy Work and it's
illustrated by Ruby Jones. Remember we cannot forget the illustrators.
They are very important, and it's through the eyes of
a little girl who has a working mum who brings
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home a big briefcase. She sometimes comes home tired, she
sometimes doesn't want to go to work, but she always
makes it clear that her child is her greatest work.
This is so curious to me and I can't wait
to talk about it with you both. I have duplicate
feelings about this because I read the book. I loved
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the book. The book is part of our rotation now.
As a busy working mum myself, I found it very
helpful and very useful. But it is curious to me
that a female world leader writes a book on being
a working mum, Like what is that, Amelia?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, I'd love Boris Johnson's book about being a working
dad to all his illegitimate children, but that one is forthcoming.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I get why you feel weird about it.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
It's sort of like, remember there was this trend a
few years ago for books about how girls can do anything,
and they would be like profiles of girls. But then
the publishers realized that maybe boys felt left out, and
so then there were all these books published about how
boys can do anything, with like profiles of famous men
throughout history, and every now and then I pick up
one of those at the bookshop because I do have
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a son and a daughter, and I think, do I
need to give my son a book that tells him.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That he can be anything in the whole world? Probably not?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Probably not, But I love this book. I know you'll
be surprised by this because she is my twin. I've
been told I look like a few times it's the
big teeth. But I love it because I think you
have to write what you know, and what she going
to write, like this is how you get a bill
passed through parliament like that? It will not be a
page turner for the four year old. So I think
it's great and it almost I did see it and go,
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oh good, that will give me permission.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
If she's a world leader doing it, I can do it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It's fine.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
I liked it.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I'm not saying it's a bad book. It's a great book.
What I'm saying is, if we just take a step back,
if Jacinda Arderne was a man, she wouldn't be writing
a book about how dad has to go to busy
work and the pool between work and home life and
how actually the most important thing in the world is
being a great dad. That's just curious to me. And
also just Cinda Arderne is not the first world leader
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to write a children's book. So King John Ill who
was a Korean dictator. He's dead now, but he wrote
a children's book. Do you know what it was about?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
What was it about?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
It was a mercile, violent book about basically North Korea
being the greatest in the world. And then Obama wrote
a children's book too, but his was a letter to
his daughter's which was very beautiful. But also this tribute
to groundbreaking Americans. So it's just interesting to me. That
the female world leader has to write this book about
mum gilt basically wrapped up in a book.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
And it's also like, do we want our children's books
to always be teaching such an explicit message? Sometimes I
long for children's books that can take us into a
bit more of a magical world, away from the grinding
realities of being a busy woman in the working world.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, sometimes you can just be a hippopotamus on a
roof eating cake and that's good enough.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
There's this mum on TikTok that started a social media
prep school for her kid and I saw this and
I thought, holy shit, that is gold. Is this the
new pen license for kids? Do we all need to
sit our kids down and tell them what social media
does to our brains? So this woman's name is Jamie C.
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She has an eleven year old daughter, and in the
first lesson, she walks her through how the brain works
and what the brain does when you're on social media.
Just take a listen.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Let's say that you post a video online. We'll say
it's like a dance video. All of a sudden, someone
says this is so cringey. When they type that, that
commenter may have been feeling nervous about dancing in public,
like they actually want to dance like that, like so confidently,
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but they feel nervous, so they are typing what they're
actually like because they feel bad about themselves, like they
want to be able to do that. Or maybe they
were teased about their dancing in the past and now
they're just like, okay, well now dancing is so uncool.
Maybe they had a bad day and they're just putting
out their energy onto somebody else. Okay, that comment was
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never about your dancing, right.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I loved the very emotive music underneath that, making it
sound like a movie trailer.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
The comments in this were widely applauding this woman, and
I just want to throw it out there. Should we
all be doing social media prep school with our kids
before they're even allowed to have a phone. It's like,
please do this course in the same way that you
have to get a pen license at school, in the
same way you have to get a driver's license to
drive a car. Is it complete the understanding of social
media and the brain before you are getting a phone.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I love the idea and I want to borrow what
she said. I felt very healed by what she said,
it's not about your dancing. It never is about your dancing.
It's about what that person's feeling. But I want to
flip this idea a little bit and say, I think
we need some teachings from younger people about how to
understand the Internet today, because I feel like the world's
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kind of slipping away from me in terms of understanding
Internet culture. And this was really highlighted for me with
the shooting of Charlie Kirk. It was apparent that the
mainstream media could not understand and what's Internet subcultures. The
guy who's been charged with the shooting of Charlie Kirk
came from a lot of the explanations I was reading
were proven to be erroneous or wrong, because we, meaning
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journalists who don't understand the Internet subcultures of young people,
were jumping to conclusions that were wrong about his motivations
and about the corners of the Internet in which he
was living. I read this really great interview with the
journalist Max Read. He has a newsletter, and he spoke
with an elections analyst and JENZ member called Ettingermentum.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Because I guess.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Often these people just prefer to use the Internet aliases
rather than their real names, and he made the point
that it was younger Internet users that were able to
contextualize the shooter more accurately than the media. So I
want to throw out there that I need this course,
but taught by young people.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
To me, yeah, I feel the same way. Like I
actually feel like it shouldn't necessarily be parents down. It
feels like it should be kids up, because it does
feel like we're chasing our tail a little bit, trying
to keep up with what they're doing. I read this
great substack that Mia Friedman actually recommended to our entire
mom and mea team called after School by Casey Loss.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Such a good news.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So good, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And it just makes me feel like down with the
kids because it tells me all of the trends that
are kind of happening for gen Z and jen Alpha.
So I love it in that respect and that it
keeps you in the loop. But still I don't know
if we're like doing enough to actually keep up with them.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
So I'm not sure if I completely agree with that point, respectfully,
because I think children's brains are not fully developed and adults'
brains generally are, and the stuff that we are talking
about is how the brain responds to stimulus, and the
brain responds to various things online, and I think we're
seeing the research shows enormous rates of anxiety, depression, and
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very poor mental health outcomes for teenagers that are on
social media, Like there is a direct link between the
two things. So I hear what you're saying about we
need to understand the culture. But I do think children
need to understand from like a brain lens and an
emotional lens and a scientific reactionary lens of what's actually
going on physiologically for them.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But do you feel like it needs to almost be younger?
Like at eleven, they've probably been around phones and access
to the internet for a long time. Like how early
do we start this? Is this like tech prep school
for kids? Like do we do this at four or
five years old?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
I mean kids today will say the phrase like and
subscribe or subscribe to my channel pretty regularly. Yeah, And
I'd say that they probably need this kind of schooling
from the minute they start using that phrase yeah, Because
what better entree into the hyper capitalist, hyper competitive, ultimately
very shallow world of internet culture.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's the perfect introduction that phrase, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
They're on it from two.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I mean, you see babies in cafes all the time
sitting there on YouTube like they are seeing it. So
maybe we need to be doing like sign language for
babies around how they should be consuming it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Quite seriously, though Australias are a little bit behind in
terms of media literacy. There's lots of European trees that
are a lot further ahead. They're teaching media literacy in
France and in the UK. It's part of the curriculum
to understand fact checking and research and what to trust
and what not to trust. And I know Brass Corbett.
He runs Newshounds, which is a Squizz kids podcast that
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teaches media literacy. It's a program and he did a
Churchill Fellowship on trying to get the government and the
Education department to take this really seriously because we are
quite behind on teaching kids media literacy and social media literacy.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I didn't know that that's really interesting. I will say
that the New South Wales government has launched a program
called Dodgy or Not, which is being rolled out in
primary schools right now, and it basically teaches kids to
identify furdulent content online through games that's cool, and I
think that's exactly the sort of step in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
There's a topic that is.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
On the minds of so many Australian parents right now,
and that topic is that the Australian childcare sector is
in crisis.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It's massively complex, like the headlines around safety problems, childcare deserts.
Australian parents pay more for childcare than pretty much anywhere
else in the world. There's a lot of kids with
additional needs that can't find the care they need, and
then there's all the safety concerns Amelia.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Mond's I think that's really important, and I just want
to add also the abuse scandals of foremost in the
minds of parents across Australia right now too, which have contributed.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
To this perception that this is a sector that is
in trouble.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
There's a woman who might have a solution, but she's
very controversial, So let me explain her she is and
then we can get into what she believes. Her name
is Virginia Tapscott. She is an Australian mum of four.
She is a freelance journalist, although I think that her
sort of identity in the media is as a stay
at home mum. She lives in regional New South Wales.
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So she gave an interview this week because she's got
a new book out in the City Morning Herald and
Age newspapers and it's got the title People don't want
to have this debate Virginia tap Scott's uncomfortable crusade.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Why is she controversial?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
This is the thing, So Virginia tap Scott says, and
gird your lawin's here because this is going to be
confronting to some people listening to this. It was certainly
confronting to me. Virginia tap Scott's key idea is that
we need to start valuing cares and we need to
start valuing them in financial terms.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Just like we expect.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Other people who do a job to be paid, we
should be also treating people who care for children the
same way. Her catch is that she wants children under
the age of two to be cared for at home,
ideally by a single person, ideally by a parent. She
does not think that children under two should be in
institutional childcare settings.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And is this her just saying this because she's a journalist, right,
She's done the research on this, so.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
She brings plenty of studies to the table.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
I will say that, you know, in these kinds of
incredibly complex topics, there does seem to be an ability
to cherry pick studies that confirm your point of view. Now,
she's certainly studies that she says confirms her point of
view that it is better for the child to be
under the care of a single person under the age
of two.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But stating the obvious here, but that's not always possible, right, Like,
I know you're in the same boat as me. That
would have not been an option for me in my
family arrangement. So it's all well and good to say,
but how do we actually make that work well?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And also, frankly, it makes me feel like shit. Yeah,
like this is why.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I feel really uncomfortable bringing her up. But the reason
I am is because she says this could help solve
the childcare problem, and we can't go on like this.
Here's what Virginia would say, when you take children out
of the home and out of the care of a
single person into an institutionalized setting before they turn two,
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you are not giving them the best opportunities. Now again,
I want to tell you how confronting that is for
me to say that, and I don't think Virginia intends
to make mothers who work outside the home feel bad.
In fact, her bigger point is that we need to
start valuing care work, and yes, that mean incentivizing financially
the care of both the very young and the very old.
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We need to stop pushing that care aside and saying
that it doesn't bring value to society.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, because it does.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That was the thing that stuck out to me the
most from her argument that I actually thought was very
true and something we're all guilty of. She said, I'm
a product of a culture where my self worth is
derived from paid contributions. And I think like if someone
asked me, if I was at a dinner party and
someone said to me, what do you do, I would
say my job title before I would say that I
am a parent the other half of the week, because
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I feel like, in the back of my mind, whether
that's right or wrong, I feel like that brings value
and that I offer something.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
But that's absolutely not true.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Like the work that women are doing, all the work
that people are doing inside the home raising those children
full time is sometimes a lot harder than what I'm
doing in a job.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
So here's what it might look like in concrete terms
to sort of support what she's saying. Maybe we need
to think about making parental leave much longer for both
men and women.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, much much longer. And instead of sending.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Government subsidies to childcare centers, what virgin you would advocate
for is using that money to pay parents of all
genders to stay home.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Okay, So I read the parliamentary submission of Virginia's collective
it's called the Parents Work Collective, because I wanted to
try and understand more wholly the argument, and I got
to say, I don't hate it, Like arguing that caregiving
needs more infrastructure is a good thing to argue, Like
I don't know how you felt when you came back
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to work, but that wrench of when you first returned
to work after having a baby, And it's going to
be different for everyone. I'll say that some women can't
wait to get back to work, but for the majority
of me and my friends, that period is so difficult.
And I think what they're arguing is, what if we
had twelve months of paid parental leave instead of three,
What if there was more paternal parenting leave, What if
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once you return to work part time, which a lot
of women do, which is kind of this motherhood penalty.
What if we gave a parental allowance if you're working
part time. The thing that I thought was interesting in
this parliamentary submission was this is what it says. There's
a great quote that always sticks with me by philosopher
Arthur Schoppenhauer. All truth passes through three stages. First it's ridiculed,
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Second it's violently opposed, and third it's accepted as being
self evident. I think we're somewhere between stages one and two.
The idea that care work could be valued and well supported,
and that the season of life in which we have
babies be melded much more seamlessly into paid work is
probably somewhere between stages one and two. But together we
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can move this to stage three, where supporting mothers and
supporting care work is incredibly beneficial to the well being
of mums, babies, and families and society at large. So,
to put it crudely, what Virginia Tapscot and the Parents
Work collective us saying is, what if we treated stay
at home mums the same way that we would treat
roads or hospitals, like a basic piece of national infrastructure.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
But would you want to?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's the thing that's not part of the argument is that, yes,
it would be great to have the option do you
want to? And some people don't want to, And it's just.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
A compulsory Stacey, it's not compulsory. This is about actually
just giving people the choice to do it. Yeah, not
everyone has to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Having brought this subject to the table, which is that
in Scandinavian countries where they have increased parental leave for fathers,
they found that fathers still don't take even the full
very generous parental leaves that they are given. The dads
are not taking the full leave, and now some countries
have had to introduce all these convoluted rules to force
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them to basically saying, if the dad takes his full allowance,
then the mum gets sort of some bonus months, like
all these incentives on top of the generous parental leave.
So the problem with I think what Virginia's saying is, yes,
she says this could be any parents staying at home,
but we all know that in the majority of cases,
for all sorts of complicated cultural reasons to do with
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how we stereotype people. It's going to be the mum
staying at home. I think those are some great ideas.
Once love the idea of that bridging payment between paid
work and unpaid work. But her career is the one
that's going to be damaged. Her financial independence is going
to be jeopardized by staying at home, and we're going
to have fewer women who are heads of companies, sitting
on company boards and even like she center our journal
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leading the country.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
But that's already happening. To your point about the Nordic
countries that are doing this, I listened to this great
podcast that was made by Future Women. They did a
whole three part series on the childcare crisis, and they
talk to a lot of experts, and one of them
said that those countries where they do have support a
transition from mothers back into work and more paid parentally,
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do see higher rates of women in leadership roles, of
women in executive roles, of women working full time, and
full time women working means more tax players. Like it's
they talk to. There's this Nobel Prize winning economist James
Heckman and he said every dollar spent in quality early
childhood education yields between seven and twelve dollars back to society.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I think that he's not talking about stay at home
parents there. He's talking about investing in high quality early
childhood education.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's a great idea, and I think it also would
go a long way in terms of showing value to
those women that are choosing to stay at home or
have made arrangements to be able to do that, to
stay at home, like they have been forgotten in a
lot of the conversations, So it would be great if
they were compensated for it. I think that would go
a long way in terms of the perception of what
they're doing as actual work.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
What Virginia is saying.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
She is not saying invest in early childhood education, even
though that is a thing that governments around the world
are thankfully realizing that they need to do. Virginia tap
Scott Bully is that it doesn't matter how quality that
early childhood education is and how much money the government
throws at it, and how many postgraduate degrees our care
educators have. It is not a substitute for at home
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care to her, it's a very clear binary. And what
I worry about with that is it's so great to
be finally saying that just because you're not paid for
something doesn't mean that you're not contributing something incredibly valuable
to society, arguably the most valuable. But what does that
mean for women's roles more generally when they are being
implicitly and explicitly encouraged to stay at home for the
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good of the child.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
It's a bit of a privileged position to be in,
isn't it. Do you think it's linked to the tradwife
movement Stacy.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Well, she's kind of saying that it's not. She's almost
going against that.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
She says she's not a tad wife because what she's
saying is it doesn't matter whether you're a dad or
a mum. The point is you need someone at home
with the kids who's engaged in that care and who
is valued for that care. Trad Wives lean into the
kind of fetishizing of that whole thing as almost not
something that you should be paid for, but rather something
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that looks really.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Pretty and it's great for us.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And she actually has written for mummamea a bit before
tumons what you said about it being like a privilege game,
because I definitely thought the same thing. I thought, oh,
it'd be great to have that choice, but not everybody's
got that choice. But she did a brilliant piece for
Mumamea called people think stay at home parents must be wealthy,
but this is the true cost, and she interviewed so
many parents, mostly mothers, about what sacrifices they were kind
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of making and what arrangements they were using to be
able to do this and to have someone at home
with their child at all times. So a lot of
them it involved moving to more rural areas so that
their rent was lower, or for others it meant, you know,
never taking holidays, never having meals out. Others they were
doing shift work where they tag team to be.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
With the kids.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So it's not necessarily just something for people who have
got like a really high income earner in their family.
People are choosing this for their own reasons, whether that's
to stay away from childcare or whether to just be
more present and making sacrifices to make that happen. And
I just want to make it very clear when we're
talking about this that there are some brilliant and childcare
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educators out there that are doing an incredible job. I
know I trusted my daughter's early childhood educators with my
life with my child. We don't want to undermine the
amazing work that they're doing, but more talking about the
system as a whole.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I hope that us talking about this hasn't made anyone
feel bad about their choices. Our intent by bringing it
here was a to sort of touch on this huge
topic that parents all over Australia are thinking about right now,
and b to get us thinking about radical solutions because
things can't go on like this.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
If you're someone who has a closet stuff full of
clothes you haven't worn in years, but you can't bear
to part with, I have good news.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
You're not a hoarder. It's not clutter.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's now being rebranded as a collection, a love collection.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I'm going to call it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
That's according to a very unlikely hero asap Rocky, also
known as I thought it was asap rock you and
mea Friedman both because I have also heard her refer
to this rapper as asap.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
No, it's asap Rocky.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Asap Rocky. That social media class you really do.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
He is also known as Rihanna's other half. The Rapper
spoke this week about how he and Rihanna plan to
keep all their iconic fashion looks to hand down to
their three children. So they've got sons Rizza and Riot
and a daughter who they just announced the birth of
this week, called Rocky. So they're kind of doing the
Kardashian thing where all the kids have got the same
letter name. And he said, at this point, it's not
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even being a hoarder, it's being a collector. So I
want to know, have you two got a room full
of coture gowns you're planning to hand down.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
To is like the iconic Australian band, the Hoarders and Collectors?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, what have you got? What are you going to
give for nothing?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Because there's this phenomenon that I've read about called boomed junk.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Have you heard of boomer junk?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
No, it's it's all have a TikTok where every millennial
that goes home to see their parents gets just handed
a box of stuff that their parents are like, oh,
we're just keeping this for you for when you're older.
So there's this theory that boomers were raised by parents
who are shaped by the Great Depression, so they rarely
get rid of anything for fear of needing it later.
And many boomers are also collectors and they're highly sentimental.
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They also own their own homes, so they stay in
them for longer, meaning that they can just accumulate more stuff,
and then the stuff becomes our problem. So asap Rocky
is just doing, we've moved from boomer junk to millennial junk.
It's the natural revolution.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
When I heard this, I immediately my mind immediately went to
the fact that Sarah Jessica Parker gave an interview early
this year with w magazine and spoke about the same
idea regarding her daughters, who just turned sixteen this year.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Oh, because she has an amazing shoe collection, I'm sure,
and keeps everything from the show.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Right, She's kept everything from every show, every outfit from
every show.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Do you let your daughters borrow your shoes?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Here's the sad truth is that they really don't fit
them anymore. Are the wrong size, and that's not going
to go backwards.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It's really kind of awful.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Though one of them seems to lately fit some of them,
but they don't really ask for them that much. Thus far,
they're not really like raiding my closet or anything. They
very much they have their own style.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
This is the thing, Like there's no guarantee like Asap Rocky,
I'm sorry, I cannot get off the Asap and Rihanna.
Like obviously they have iconic style, each of them as individuals.
But it's going to be like remember the nineties sitcom
Absolutely Fabulous, And in that show you had this kind
of fashion easter mother Adina Monsoon and then her daughter
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Safie who actually hated fashion. Asap and Ree's children.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Are going to hate fashion.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Yeah, they're going to be like hawkish and like refuse
to wear any of the gorgeous gowns.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
They might not. And also, okay, now I'm going to
defend Asap Rocky in Rihanna because this isn't like stained
bonds onesies that they're keeping. This is proper couture and
proper beautiful fashion that's been crafted and that's artistic. So
all the experts say is that if you're going to
keep stuff, try and limit what you keep to only
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what's really special, and then also include a note for
context or a little story about the item. So It's like,
dear little Rizza, whatever their name is, this is what
I wore to the met Gulla and I sat next
to and a wind tool. Like that's a cool story.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, but what are we doing like handing down a
musty spice girl's T shirt and being like I bought
this in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Two, Like they don't care.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
What are they gonna do with that?
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
My mum kept a pair of flares and oh, epic, epic.
She only kept a few select things and they're pretty
great to get out and try on.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, I actually have one thing I brought Show and
Tell today. I know this is an audio media, but
I bought Show and Tell something I will be handing
down to my daughter. In fact, I already have it
is an artifact and an ancient artifactor.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
I have it in my top pocket to show you.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Wait, I want to guess before you see it a
slap band swatch G show.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I didn't keep any of that, and I should have.
It is a millennial icon. It is the owl necklace always,
so we all owned this, so obviously we're a podcast.
I am holding a long pendent necklace that I'm pretty
sure I got from Diva in about two thousand and five,
two thousand and six, and I would wear it clubbing
and it has an owl on it.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Why did we think that was good?
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Don't know, but we all had one.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
We did, and I've somehow held on to it and
I've now passed it down. So I suggest you hold
on to the same things. And actually I have a
whole series of these necklaces, like I have about twenty
deranged millennial necklaces. So I'll put them up on the
mumu mea family Instagram if you want to have a
look at them or you're listening.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Don't hold onto the Diva necklaces. Fine, I'll hold onto
the patek Philip watch everything else can go?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
All right?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
To wrap up things today, we're going to share the
things that we're loving, sick things that we might text
to our friends or put in the mum's group chat. Amelia.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I have a podcast.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
It is called Greeking Out, and it has the most
catchy song you've ever heard with the word mythology in it.
Because it's a national geographic podcast about ancient Greek myths.
It has been so successful that they've made eleven seasons
of it. Which should give you some idea of just
how big it's cult following is. It's been really interesting
for me because I don't know anything about Greek myths,
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but I like the idea of my children knowing a
lot about Greek myths, if you know what I mean,
Like I want to be there.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Is this a kid's show or an adult show?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
It's a kid's show.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I want to be that person who's like, my son's
obsessed with ancient Greek myths, and guess what he is
thanks to this podcast, And it's showing me how much
of what we talk about comes from ancient Greek myths.
Like when we say flying too close to the Sun,
we're really talking about the god Icarus, who is explored
in one of these episodes of this podcast. It's a
really listenable show. It sounds dry and boring, it's not
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at all. It has two co hosts, one of which
is called the Oracle of Wi Fi, which is my
favorite title of all time.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
It's really funny.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
I'd say it's great for kids five and up, probably
five to ten, pretty good range age range. It's free,
it's on your favorite podcast app, and my kids love it.
And now I can say that they're into ancient Greek myths.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I think I need to listen because I didn't know
that about the flying close to the sun. So I'm
going to educate myself. My recommendation this week is a
Spotify playlist. I'm recording my own Spotify playlist, which we
can drop in the show notes if anyone.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Always it, okay, tell me in what circumstances do I
play this?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
This playlist is called Girly Pop Songs that make Me
want to break a door down. It's so good and
basically what I'm trying to emulate is you know, when
you hear the start of Shania Twain's Men, I feel
like a woman where it goes Let's go girls, and
it just pulses through your body. So I've made this playlist.
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It's ridiculous, like it makes no sense really everything that's
on it. But it's got spice girls, It's got like
man Eater, it's got Jack Jack Jackie like all these.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Oh my god, you were really dredging up core memory. Yeah,
Jack Jack jacky.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I play this playlist every morning when I'm walking to work.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Are you wearing her our necklus while you do it?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I should be what a combo, But it's just we'll
put you in the best mood. It's impossible to feel
in a bad mood if you play this playlist, so
we'll drop it.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Or you can just make your own.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
If you hate my taste in music, which is understandable,
what have you got one?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
This is for anyone who has like goblin children in
the morning where they're hungry and they're just fuck eyed
until they have something to eat. So my sister Bridget
told me about this, and it's called the offering. The
idea is that you leave something out overnight on your
kid's bedside table so that when they wake up there's
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a little something waiting for them to snack on. Now,
do not come at me, dentists, do not come at me.
People who think we give our kids too many snacks.
I'm not interested. The whole idea is just like lift
that blood sugar level and banish the demons. So here's
some ideas with stuff that you'll already have in the house.
Dry cereal in a cup, nutri grain, cheerios, pretzels or popcorn,
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things that don't get soggy, or like a little bowl
of blueberries or some sliced up apples to put out overnight.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Hot tip. If you slice apples and then you soak
them in cold water with a little bit of salt,
they do not go brown. That's my lunch box hack
fee as well.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I'll never be doing that, but that's great to know
that you can do.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Are you actually doing this month?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Every morning I soak apples for the lunch boxes for
the Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
My god, no, I meant the offerings. Are you doing offerings?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yes, oh yes, my god.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
The offering has been a game changer because both of
my children wake up like rah, they never wake up
beautiful and angelic, and the offering they don't come to
me straight away. I just hear them crunch, crunch, crunch.
I'm like, yes, it gives me five more minutes of sleep.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Okay, but here's my question. I think I know that answer.
The thing I love about kids this is more a statement.
They're never gonna ask.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Like who put this food here?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Why?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
They're just living in this world where they just expect
like delightful little treats to be by their bed when
they wake up.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I know, I know you ever forgot Well, can you
imagine what would happen.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
If you forgot one day, it will be like, oh yeah,
an apocalypsey and they.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Get up and get it for themselves. We can dream, right,
we can dream.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I am definitely adopting this because every day between the
time of five am and six am, I get woken
by the words Mommy, come to my room, and I
don't think that'll happen if there's breakfast cereal next to
her bed.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So I'm going to do that sisly. Next time I
see you, I might bring you an offering to the office,
because I think the offering could also be extended to
mums in the workplace. At around three pm, I.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Was just like, ah, I need some really good cumfry tat.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I would love a little snack placed on my desk
without asking. Thank you so much, Mons.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
That's all we have time for on Parenting out Loud
this week. Hey, thanks to the people that left very
enthusiastic reviews in Apple podcasts. We're so chuffed by those.
It's sort of our personal sticky chart.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
After last week's show, we asked people to leave reviews
but gentle parenting style, so we said, don't over praise us.
Praise is out. You can't praise outcome anymore. You can
only praise effort, our pollers, our pout louders. Understand. Dana writes,
thank you parenting out loud. I'm really glad you're here.
(34:39):
You're doing such important work, and I see how much
heart you put into every word. Thank you, Dana.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And this one from.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Jackie g is titled holding Space, Mon's Stacy and Amelia.
I noticed how you kept trying even when it was tricky.
You must feel proud of yourselves, So thank you, thank you.
You are all elite level powders, powers, pout louders.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Pout louders powers is good to whichever one they want.
They can decide let us know.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Comment here, which we haven't read yet from Laura, Laura wrote,
kids are now grow and love this though have to
say Amelia is the bomb. Sometimes you can just say
the nice thing without praising effort.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Thanks Thanks for.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
That, Laura, Thank you so much. The challenge remains to
write a review in gentle parenting speak because it makes
us laugh so much. So we want you to channel
your most overthinking millennial parent brain and tell us we're
doing a good job without telling us that, So praise
the effort, guys make us laugh. A big thanks to
our team this week. Junior Content produces Coco Levine and
(35:47):
Tessakovic produces Leoporgus and Sashatanic and the group ep Is
Ruth Devine. Have a great week. Good luck out there
in school holidays. We'll be back in this feed next
Saturday morning.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Bye bye,
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